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China President Warns Conflict With America Would Be "Global Disaster"

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File this one in the "understatements" category.

While recent US relations with Russia plumbed lows unseen since the Cold War, at the same time "succeeding" in cementing relations between Russia and China, the so-called Eurasian, anti-Petrodollar axis, and leading to an accelerated groundbreaking natgas deal between Kremlin and Beijing, at least the department of state had managed to not completely alienate China. Which maybe why China just issued a rather out of place tongue-in-cheek warning overnight, when China’s President Xi Jinping called for greater military communication with the U.S., saying as he opened high-level talks between the two countries that any conflict would be a global disaster.

As Bloomberg reported, China needs a stable environment “more than ever,” and it’s inevitable that the two sides will have some disputes, Xi said at the Diaoyutai guest house before the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue in Beijing.

And here is where things got a little heated: "A conflict between China and United States will definitely be a disaster for the two countries and the world,” Xi said. “As long as we uphold mutual respect, maintain strategic patience and remain unperturbed by individual incidents and comments, we’ll be able to keep relations on a firm footing despite ups and downs that may come our way.

In other words, if the US pushes the "individual incidents and comments" just a bit too far, then all bets are off.

China remains suspicious over President Obama’s intention to rebalance its military forces to Asia, seeing the move as emboldening countries with which it has territorial disputes. Under Xi, China has tested U.S. alliances in the region by pressing its claims to a large part of the South China Sea, riling Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines.

What he failed to address is that for all the surface pleasantries, US relations with China - aside from recent geopolitical incidents involving such US allies as Japan, the Philippines and Vietnam - have also neared lows not seen in years, especially considering the virtual boycott of US tech companies in the aftermath of the Snowden NSA revelations, not to mention the US escalation in the spying scandal, in which it charged three PLA members with hacking and spying (even as it was doing just that to its closest European ally, Germany).

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Treasury Secretary Jacob J. Lew arrived yesterday for the sixth round of the dialogue, this year aimed at rehabilitating relations strained by differences over cyber espionage and escalating maritime disputes between China and U.S. allies in the Asia Pacific. A year after U.S. President Barack Obama and China’s Xi declared their support for “a new model of major power relations,” the two countries face two days of negotiation over issues from climate change to global security.


“The United States and China will not always see eye-to-eye on every issue,” Obama said in a statement released as the talks got underway in Beijing. “That is to be expected for two nations with different histories and cultures.”

While that is expected, what is also expected when any superpower is in decline is that those ascendent countries which believe they can challenge a hegemon's economic, financial and military might, will rise up and make veiled threats that said hegemon should respect a status quo which benefits them if not so much the US. All the hegemon has in its arsenal at that point is threats of diplomatic retaliation which what it is actually doing is appeasing the challengers, as the US has done with Russian expansion in Crimea.

And as Great Britain knows too well, the path from appeasement to final loss of reserve currency status is a very short one.


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Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:16 | 4939562 90's Child
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Nah fuck it we've all waited long enough.

Let's do this.

Roll the dice.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:19 | 4939576 NotApplicable
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It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World!

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:25 | 4939596 kliguy38
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ummm I think you boyz better check with your Masters first to see what your bankers have planned for you before you start spouting peacenik shit

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:28 | 4939610 NotApplicable
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There's nothing peaceful at all about this. It's just a well-disguised ultimatum that will ensure a future casus belli.

"I dun told you."

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:34 | 4939635 Headbanger
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Bingo!  This is a clear warning from China saying STFO (Stay the Fuck Out) of our part of the world round eyes!

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:37 | 4939651 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Somebody said "FAIR WARNING!"

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:50 | 4939696 Save_America1st
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Lo Pan kicked ass.  Big Trouble In Little China is one of the classics.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:55 | 4939725 COSMOS
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May be global disaster but it doesnt stop the USA from seeking Conflicts, look at Ukraine and the Middle East

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:44 | 4940003 dontgoforit
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Barry Soetoro is the anti-Christ.  The great deceiver.  Teller of lies.  He will lead many astray and bring great tribulation.  Other than that, he's a great beer drinking buddy....

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:54 | 4940289 stoneworker
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Normally forbes writes a lot of propaganda articles that are not worth reading, but I think this may be one of the few that should be read by China watchers


Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:55 | 4940293 Unknown User
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Yeah, but the Neocons don't comprende...

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 14:47 | 4940510 FeralSerf
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You give Barry way too much credit. He really isn't capable of any of that, including "great beer drinking buddy". Next someone is going to accuse him of knowing how to golf.

Barry does make a suitable patsy for his owners. He will be sacrificed when the time comes.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:54 | 4940059 Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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It's all in the reflexes.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:20 | 4939845 Uncle Remus
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He say you about to screw pooch.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:09 | 4940115 jon dough
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Wouldn't that be "sclew pooch"?

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:54 | 4940286 sleigher
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The second time in 2 days I have heard "round eyes" used in a derogatory manner.   Do they really call us round eyes?  That is so awesome if true.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:40 | 4939658 Pure Evil
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Nah, just high level meetings wrapping up the minute details on when and where the new proxie wars will be held.

Looks like your safe Australia. Uncle Sam will need a forward operating base so you'll pretty much be kept out of land invasions.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:32 | 4939628 SMG
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Basically, the Oligarch's plan is US vs Russia/China in a "useless eater" killing WWIII.  Most likely while our Bankster Oligarchs hide in their bunkers, only to emerge and rollout their new global government.

I read about this plan a few years ago, and I didn't want to believe it.  However more and more you can see it coming. Sigh.  I really wish we would awake up and stop these evil people pulling the strings.

Here's more about the plan if you're interested:


Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:57 | 4939743 Oldwood
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The west will lose. There is so much cynicism and dissention, that I seriously doubt that Americans would ever support the measures required to win a real full on war. Our press would rather be digging in to find how it could possibly all be Bush's fault. When push comes to shove, Americans will flog themselves thoroughly before lifting a hand in self defense. Hell, half the people would be standing in line waiting for the police to show up before defending themselves from a mugger, especially if it was a black man attacking, because god knows we would rather be dead that accused of being a racist. Would we ever be able to stoop to the racial slurs put upon the Japanese and Germans that were used to motivate the hate required to indiscriminately kill? The one thing that Iraq and Afghanistan have proven, if you don't fight to won't.

Welcome to the pacifist/collectivist new world, where even our own lives are not worth fighting for.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 14:00 | 4940308 schnydz
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he one thing that Iraq and Afghanistan have proven, if you don't fight to won't.

Don't forget Korean War and Vietnam. The pacifist/collectivist have been in controll all along. One good thing to happen is illegal immigration may actually reverse and flow into Mexico instead...

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 14:53 | 4940525 FeralSerf
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Korea and Vietnam as well as Iraq and Afghanistan performed their functions. The ones that planned those operations became much richer and more powerful. A military "victory" was never the plan. The war dead and injured were just examples of collateral damage. The "good news" is no important Rockefellers, Morgans, Blankfeins or Rothschilds were injured.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 18:16 | 4941172 Fedaykinx
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 ...when the chips are down, when the pressure is on, every creature on the face of the earth is interested in one thing and one thing only.  its own survival.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 08:24 | 4942727 thestarl
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True but I accept my own mortality as do most people here.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:55 | 4940064 dontgoforit
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That's a long read and I have many issues with the assumptives and the results.  Doesn't say much about submarines - they alone could destroy all of Russia.  In the end, I hope he's wrong.  We don't know that 'nuclear winter' would not insue, and if it did, for how long it would last.  If it were a 10-year prospect, the earth would be dead and surviving would be worse than getting killed in the first go-around.  MAD policy is still in effect, I believe.  Over-population could bring on the same end result.  Ever see a petri dish with a smear over-run by bacteria and what happens to the bacteria once the host is consumed.  Think earth 2050.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 15:01 | 4940552 FeralSerf
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The bacteria eventually reach a stable population. The same has been and will be true for the human population (and all other species as well) of Planet Earth. Currently the Earth's population is changing fairly rapidly due mostly to technological changes. Just like the number of bacteria in a sewer plant digester, this increase cannot continue.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:13 | 4939727 Kirk2NCC1701
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Just so we're clear:  China looks after China, and no one else.  Always has, always will.

They're happy to carve up the world and its resources with American round-eye.  But unlike Western Empires (Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, Holland, England, US), they do not see the need to attack and colonize other countries.  Any claims to this effect are mere projections of Western mindsets onto the Chinese, for purposes of propaganda that's played mostly to the domestic (US) audience.

Translation: "The stage is set for the Final Roundup of earth's resources, with both countries laying claim to various countries, regions, etc.  They prefer to do this 'peacefully', i.e. via corporate wars, not cold or hot wars.  Neither side wants to upset this game with surprises or actions by uncontrolled players.  All else is smoke and mirrors, and part of the necessary Distractions."

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 22:48 | 4942008 samsara
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"Translation: "The stage is set for the Final Roundup of earth's resources, with both countries laying claim to various countries, regions, et"

With out enough left for any one of them.

Carnavors circling the shrinking water hole.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:30 | 4939603 Silver Shield
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The rise of the anti hegemon from 2010...
And how the Anglo American Empire will respond to its loss of dominance...
And where it will be the WORST places to be when the dollar collapses....

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:34 | 4939636 Da Yooper
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Time to thin  the herd

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:50 | 4940041 matrix2012
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Or Xi did mean the U.S. stop world policing China

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:46 | 4940245 Chewybunny
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China declares war on US, ends US outsourcing of labor. Labor returns to US and a sudden explosion of jobs become available. God I can only hope.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:20 | 4939568 Dr. Engali
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Maybe Zero should send the wookie back over to ruffle some more I meant to smooth things over.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:29 | 4939611 NoDebt
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Or Joe Biden.  He's a smooth operator.

Oh... better yet- John Kerry.  When things are looking grim and the chance of success is low, you send John Kerry.  He puts the final nail in the coffin and then nobody has to spend any more time wondering if things will work out well or not.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:32 | 4939631 Dr. Engali
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Okay, that was pretty damn funny.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:55 | 4939724 Save_America1st
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yep...we better not piss off the Chinese.  They will halt all Cadillac exports to America!  It'll cause riots.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:57 | 4940075 dontgoforit
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Only in Detroit.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:21 | 4939579 buzzsaw99
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the chinese people love jinping. hopefully not barbequed in molasses.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:21 | 4939580 JustObserving
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A dying empire with 900 military bases in 130 countires, many wars now, infinite spying, and debt and unfunded liabilities of $1,260,000 per taxpayer is a global disaster in its own right.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:24 | 4939587 Dr. Engali
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When Rome collapsed all the soldiers on foreign soil were left to fend for themselves. Some of them in very hostile areas. I suspect we will probaly see the same.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:29 | 4939612 hoist the bs flag
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Or they will take whatever is left in the gas tank, come back over and unleash total war on CONUS...nah, probably not.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:00 | 4939753 COSMOS
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We need to cut back and strengthen our position where it matters.  Why waste so much money on Europe which has no resources.  We should focus on Australia and New Zealand and the rest of the Pacific as well as Canada and South America.  But most importantly the English speaking parts ie Canada and AU/NZ

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:54 | 4940058 CH1
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I am not part of "we."

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:58 | 4940080 dontgoforit
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Rome's soldiers were not nearly so well armed to deal with it.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:29 | 4939618 NotApplicable
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They'll bring them back to run the FEMA camps.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:34 | 4939638 Dr. Engali
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Why risk military rebellion when they have the loyal gropers in the TSA to do that task?

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:39 | 4939656 JustObserving
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Besides, the police forces in America are being rapidly militarized.  Or as some call it, Israelification of the US police:

The Israelification of America’s security apparatus, recently unleashed in full force against the Occupy Wall Street Movement, has taken place at every level of law enforcement, and in areas that have yet to be exposed. The phenomenon has been documented in bits and pieces, through occasional news reports that typically highlight Israel’s national security prowess without examining the problematic nature of working with a country accused of grave human rights abuses. But it has never been the subject of a national discussion. And collaboration between American and Israeli cops is just the tip of the iceberg.

Having been schooled in Israeli tactics perfected during a 63 year experience of controlling, dispossessing, and occupying an indigenous population, local police forces have adapted them to monitor Muslim and immigrant neighborhoods in US cities. Meanwhile, former Israeli military officers have been hired to spearhead security operations at American airports and suburban shopping malls, leading to a wave of disturbing incidents of racial profiling, intimidation, and FBI interrogations of innocent, unsuspecting people. The New York Police Department’s disclosure that it deployed “counter-terror” measures against Occupy protesters encamped in downtown Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park raised serious questions about the extent to which Israeli-inspired tactics have been used to suppress the Occupy movement in general.

The process of Israelification began in the immediate wake of 9/11, when national panic led federal and municipal law enforcement officials to beseech Israeli security honchos for advice and training. America’s Israel lobby exploited the climate of hysteria, providing thousands of top cops with all-expenses paid trips to Israel and stateside training sessions with Israeli military and intelligence officials. By now, police chiefs of major American cities who have not been on junkets to Israel are the exception.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:43 | 4939986 TuPhat
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The Occupy movement was a Soros-USgovt. operation.  Are you saying they did it so the police could practice?  I don't get the point of your post.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:32 | 4939625 CheapBastard
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Lets not ruffle their feathers. We still have over 13,000,000 vacant houses the NAR wants to sell them.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:25 | 4939878 MayIMommaDogFac...
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"It's a great time to buy!" NAR rep

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:58 | 4939652 Ghordius
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Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:47 | 4939688 Kirk2NCC1701
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Many of those chose to "go native" all the way: they married a local girl.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:22 | 4940168 RaceToTheBottom
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We will be alright if we find a girl with Green Eyes.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:49 | 4939697 Pure Evil
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Yes, but by the time Rome had collapsed the soldiers stationed at foreign posts were mostly drawn from the local populace while the original Roman soldiers had long inter-married into the local populace.

In fact Rome had civilized and trained the barbarians, Germans, so well, that when the barbarians finally sacked Rome the Romans only had themselves to blame. They built those foreign legions from the local German populace and when Rome became weak from centuries of decadence the city and its people were ripe for an assault by the very people they had civilized and trained militarily.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:56 | 4939740 Citxmech
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That sounds vaguely like what's been going on in the ME (minus the "civilizing," at least)

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 15:33 | 4940694 RafterManFMJ
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LOL 900 bases?! 


Count up all the police stations and sheriff's offices, the FBI, the DHS and what not; they are nothing but extensions of the .gov leviathan and make no mistake they will do as they are instructed.

So lets say they have 2500 military bases in 131 countries.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:24 | 4939589 paint it red ca...
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My question is who here at a high level have they opened high level talks with? Could it be the Clowns (the administration), the Crooks (congress), or the Consulars (the senate)?

Most likely the Cabal to whom the others answer.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:24 | 4939591 yogibear
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Kill the US dollar and you defeat the US.  It's the only thing going for it.

The US military is already starving for funding. When all the income is used to pay the interest the game is over.


Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:32 | 4939630 NotApplicable
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Once the 30 yr. Treasury approaches zero, interest payments will become moot.

Assuming, of course, that it doesn't all collapse first.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:33 | 4939632 earnulf
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It's all a game of chess, 400 BILLION dollars of interest on the current debt at current treasury rates, which are, needless to say, 1/3rd of where they normally are.

Should LT borrowing costs return to the 6% normal range, the interest on the Debt goes to 1.2Trillion or about 40% of the total income stream for the country.

That would be twice the military expenditure, currently the interest payment is only 66%.

The Game was over long ago, we just keep ignoring the Gorilla hoping he'll stop eating us out of house and home and not turn into King Kong.


Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:14 | 4939820 dracos_ghost
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I agree with you but on a sde note watch this

Casey has a good point with Argentina defaulting on their loans. "Why saddle future generations by paying idiots who are willing to finance stupidity(my paraphrase)". There is this unspoken rule that interest rate payments are sacrosanct. Let's not forget that it's the cabal that have to most to lose on a default that are screaming for it not to happen.

1) They aren't actually lending ANYTHING. It's all ex nihilo so send the debt back to nihilo. ( I believe it's somewhere in New Jersey).

2) It's fractional anyway. These fuckers aren't even lending the amounts socialized in the press.  But for some reason they are entitled to the whole nut?!

3) They are keeping people at bay with crises and threats. People need to step up or STFU.

The system has become so surreal that even the players in the big game can't keep things straight.



Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:24 | 4939592 samsara
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Given the Thumbnail Picture of 'Lo Pan' on the lead in on front page,   Jack Burton should post about this one.  

"When asked Have you paid your dues Jack?  I say Yes Sir, the Check is in the Mail"

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:33 | 4939633 sdmjake
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 "Only a dream can kill a dream." -Egg Shen

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:52 | 4939707 Pure Evil
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That, and a little unknown thing called reality.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:02 | 4940092 dontgoforit
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'Only an idea can defeat an army.'  Egg Benedict

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:24 | 4939595 mastersnark
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It was a busy day for self-evident truths from Captain Obvious; he also warned of the dangers of drinking sewage.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:26 | 4939601 replaceme
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Don't mess with Lo Pan!  He was also great in Balls of Fury - the Citizen Kane of revenge ping pong movies.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:26 | 4939602 rosiescenario
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If the U.S. consumer were pulled out from under the Chinese economy, we would most likely see the current Chinese leadership hanging from lamp posts within 12 months and without the cheap Chinese trinkets coming in to the U.S. the same might happen to our own leadership.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:34 | 4939641 NotApplicable
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Given Wal-Mart has stopped warehousing in stores, relying solely on JIT stocking, I'd say there's plenty of pulling going on.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:36 | 4939647 LawsofPhysics
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Bullshit.  There are over 2 billion Chinese that will buy only "chinese products".

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:11 | 4940119 dontgoforit
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Like Rolex and Mercedes?

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:37 | 4939650 Da Yooper
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& the downside


IS ?

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:56 | 4939735 Pure Evil
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My EBT card stops being refilled each month.

As a member of the Free Shit Society I can only state the obvious.

Continue refilling the EBT card or suffer the consequences.

The Rodney King Riots will look like an off Broadway theater production in comparison.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:25 | 4939872 Uncle Remus
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The Rodney King Riots will look like an off Broadway theater production in comparison.


Finally, some culture.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:12 | 4940122 dontgoforit
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Do tell?  Plinking time?

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 15:18 | 4940635 Uncle Remus
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Well, it's relative. If "Can't We All Just Get Along" was off-Broadway, then no EBT refills must be an opera where the Fat Lady sings. Opera is culture, ain't it? "Phantom of the EBT Card".


No plink, but probably some rock n' roll. Cue "Satisfaction" and Lawrence bustin' a move.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:27 | 4939605 Reaper
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Only a Chinese fool trusts Obama in anything. Obama is focused on his preening.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:27 | 4939606 I Am Not a Copp...
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Love the Lo Pan pic

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:28 | 4939607 IronShield
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No more plastic trinkets for you, bitchez!  Round eye devils!

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 14:29 | 4940441 eaglerock
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Hate to say it, but I'm not so sure we could even fix a leaky toilet in the US without Chinese parts.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:28 | 4939609 CheapBastard
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"Hecho en China"

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:32 | 4939629 JohnFrodo
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:35 | 4939639 LawsofPhysics
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Please, China cares about China, period.  They are already "winning" the global population war and have shown that they are quite willing to die for the good of China.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:39 | 4939655 Ghordius
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agree. and they are advancing hundreds of millions of their countrymen in the ranks of the global middle class

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:35 | 4939642 R3ap3R
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Xi testing the waters here, hopefully the whitehouse will ignore this and not release some absurd statement in retaliation

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:43 | 4939667 Emergency Ward
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Obama, after deploying more warships for his Pacific Pivot, will rattle the nukes with a promise to defend America by any means necessary.

Common sense is in short supply at the White House.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:15 | 4940132 dontgoforit
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Ennngtt.  They ran out of sense, both common and otherwise, a little over 5 years ago.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:37 | 4939644 novictim
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Russia sells gas to China.  And the idiot brigade thinks this makes them allies.



Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:03 | 4939767 Oldwood
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Relationships are about developing dependencies. Dependencies are the leverage for power. We are all friends...until we are not.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 11:10 | 4943336 novictim
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And your point was?  

I need a new plastic guess I won't go to war with China today.  Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:36 | 4939646 Quinvarius
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Since Obama is actively trying to destroy the world, why tell him this?

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:04 | 4939770 Oldwood
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Because while he is inept, he is also persistent.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:41 | 4939665 New American Re...
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“The United States and China will not always see eye-to-eye on every issue,” Obama said in a statement released as the talks got underway in Beijing. “That is to be expected for two nations with different histories and cultures.”


Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:44 | 4939678 luckylongshot
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The implications of this comment are that there are some deranged people in America who believe America can win a nuclear war. The sooner these psychopaths are locked up the better! Mutually assured destruction is not something anyone should put to the test.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:46 | 4939681 LostandFound
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+1000 for the picture of big trouble in little china, classic.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:46 | 4939682 Democratic koolaid
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if arbitration agents Yun-Fat Chow and Brad Pitt sat down together they could have some usefull dialoge, they would know how to solve any issues.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:48 | 4939690 Yen Cross
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     For anyone who missed this article a few days ago.

   China thinks it can defeat America in battle - The Week

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:50 | 4939695 notadouche
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I don't agree with the analsysis used starting with the phrase " other words..."  More factually it should have read " my opinion..."  The writer has no idea what context to put "the other words" in and is pretty arrogant to presuppose that he knows "in other words" and states them as fact.     

This isn't jounralism, its an Op Ed piece subtlely (or no so) written as if fact.  To fill in those blanks the author would have to know the speaker, understand his language and also know him well enough to understand his intonation and how to define it before remotely making assumptions of the real meaning if there is one other than what is actually spoken.

This is some kind of mongering, I'm just not sure what kind it is.  Of course this is just one persons opinion/analaysis of what I just read so go figure.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:51 | 4939705 disabledvet
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"Declare victory get out of there."

The last war won were spoken with the words "we can do business with these people." And until Crimea indeed we with many others.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:52 | 4939709 ptoemmes
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What a time for a remake - and timely update - of Dr. Strangelove:

RIP Stanley Kubrick

Who could do it?

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:17 | 4940144 dontgoforit
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Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:57 | 4939742 Roger Shermanator
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They must have just watched the last couple of episodes of '24.'

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:58 | 4939750 Otto Zitte
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Saber rattling. We scare you, therefore you must pay us.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:00 | 4939760 NoWayJose
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Let me correct the translation from Mandarin -

Any conflict with the United States would be a global disaster because it would mean the rapid destruction or siezure of our merchant vessels. These vessels carry our imports and exports across the globe and the United States currently can control the shipping lanes. However, in a few more years we will have sufficient numbers of newly built aircraft carriers and submarines such that we can protect our shipping, and the United States is making it ever easier for us to forge agreements with angry countries around the world that will aid us - rather than the United States - in the event of a conflict. In just a few more years we can complete our plan to finish America forever.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:06 | 4939778 Oldwood
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But I thought they both loved and needed us?

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:28 | 4939898 Kprime
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1 1/2 billion people, along with India's 1 1/2 billion people don't need 325 million oil guzzling infants; especially once the oil begins to run out. Why folks don't take a better look at the numbers always befuddles me.  Like the US, 20 million .gov employees, even with all the hollow points and Israeli tactics in the world, they can't win against 300 million citizens half of whom are already armed. 

Once you starve or piss enough people off, it's game over.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:19 | 4940153 dontgoforit
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Choose your poison: neutron tacticals or particle beam arrays?  Both highly effective and readily available to US armed services (aka Men in Black).

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:01 | 4939761 Spastica Rex
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Complexity is a bitch.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:33 | 4939929 Oh regional Indian
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Bitchez are Complex... Bitchez!

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 21:12 | 4941237 are we there yet
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Men are like toasters (one button), women are like accordians.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:12 | 4939807 orangegeek
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here's how to win a war with China - set up a perimeter blockage for 30 days - no food gets in


China starves

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:25 | 4939886 p00k1e
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China will buy much of the Midwest during the BK sale (water).  After, they’ll pass a referendum leaving the constitution behind. 

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:35 | 4939939 orangegeek
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owning and maintaining are two different things


should be funny to watch some of those empty cities fall over in the next few years

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:20 | 4939810 Kprime
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I just hope when the full congress and senate are gathered, with the shit head in the white house, someone cooks em all down.  Seriously that slate needs to be totally wiped clean.  There is no redeeming value left in D.C.. This country would be vastly improved if D.C. were left as a standing monument to the effects of a nuclear blast, government over-reach, fiat, the folly of believing in an unstoppable military, and men or women who believe they are lords over the entire earth.

Is there life after production ceases?  Once senescence begins a nation or a body begins to fall apart a piece at a time.  It's slow and often unobservable at first, then it picks up speed.  One day it just collapses.  Although the US is not that old chronologically, this does not prevent it from an early death.  Nature teaches us that.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:33 | 4939935 p00k1e
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If they get cooked, FEMA takes over. 

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:21 | 4940161 dontgoforit
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Now that's a pleasant thought.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 18:44 | 4941230 are we there yet
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Our nation would be better if the White House and Congress were repurposed as stray cat sanctuaries as in 'Logans Run'. Obama would be a better president if he spent his day feeding stray cats.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:20 | 4939844 tostaky06
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No one want to fight with USA to reach the world leadership (EU/Russia/China), but united states act as a retard threatening everyone with no arguments in expectancy to always seem powerful ...

I do not know who will sacrifice himself to explain that they are not in their place, but it's getting ridiculous ...

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:22 | 4940166 dontgoforit
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Bullish, Chow Ching Now Again

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:42 | 4939981 I Write Code
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Hey where's that picture of Lo Pan featured in the front page?

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:42 | 4939983 teslaberry
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they know the u.s. is building up the narrative and strategy to intigate the next world war. 


it's more than obvious and cannot be ignored. they are scared and begging the u.s. not to do this. 

the great war approacheth.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:46 | 4940017 gcjohns1971
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The reality is that Modern Nation-State's are only nominally pyramids in structure.

The Politicians at the top don't really control all of what their underlings do.  At some time major bureaucracies in the State become powerful enough in their own right that their senior bureaucrats can define and affect policy all on their own.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:47 | 4940021 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Confrict bad for Chinese real estate in California ...

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:16 | 4940138 RaceToTheBottom
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We better hope that the Chinese don't leave us alone.  Else who will buy Detroit?

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:25 | 4940180 TheFulishBastid
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I just want my truck back!

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:27 | 4940187 SmittyinLA
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When we send our offensive State Dept to Japan they always whine about Japans immigration policies and their rejection of our pink slime, 2 really offensive positions, so I wonder what onus do we put on the Chinese?




Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:50 | 4940259 Itchy and Scratchy
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The cloaked asian threat! Translation: Don't 'F' with us!

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 13:58 | 4940302 Jack Burton
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Jack Burton says that picture is LoPan. "

[Lo Pan rolls into the room in a wheelchair] Jack: "Oh, boy. Look, we came here to see David Lo Pan, alright?" Lo Pan (James Hong) (holds hand up to ear): "Ehhh???" Jack: "David Lo Pan?" Lo Pan: "And you have succeeded, Mr. Burton." Jack: "What, you? I don't get this at all. I thought Lo Pan...." Lo Pan: "Shut up Mr. Burton. You are not brought upon this world to 'get it.'" ..... Lo Pan: "You're not looking for a truck; you're looking for a girl. A girl with green eyes." ..... Jack: "I'm supposed to buy this shit? Two thousand years and he can't find one broad to fit the bill? C'mon, Dave, you must be doing something seriously wrong." Lo Pan: "There have been others, to be sure. There are always others, are there not? You seem to be one who knows the difficulties between men and women. How seldom it works out. Yet we all keep trying, like fools."
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 19:54 | 4941444 samsara
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Jack you didn't see my post at 11:24?

I knew Lo Pan would draw you in.

Some good quotes

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 14:03 | 4940323 TheFourthStooge-ing
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From TFA:

While that is expected, what is also expected when any superpower is in decline is that those ascendent countries which believe they can challenge a hegemon's economic, financial and military might, will rise up and make veiled threats that said hegemon should respect a status quo which benefits them if not so much the US. All the hegemon has in its arsenal at that point is threats of diplomatic retaliation which what it is actually doing is appeasing the challengers, as the US has done with Russian expansion in Crimea.

The wording and descriptors here have me somewhat confused. I presume that 'superpower' and 'hegemon' refer to the US and that 'ascendent countries' and 'challengers' refer to the BRICS, thusly:

While that is expected, what is also expected when US superpower status is in decline is that the BRICS which believe they can challenge US economic, financial and military might, will rise up and make veiled threats that the US should respect a status quo which benefits the BRICS if not so much the US.

Does that seem correct or am I missing something?

All the hegemon has in its arsenal at that point is threats of diplomatic retaliation which what it is actually doing is appeasing the challengers, as the US has done with Russian expansion in Crimea.

OK, a couple of nits to pick here. First, the "Russian expansion in Crimea" was really no such thing. It was more like Crimea divorcing itself from its arranged marriage to Ukraine and going back home to its family.

Second, am I simply misreading or does this posit that the US has been appeasing Russia with regard to recent Ukrainian turmoil? I must have misunderstood, because an assessment that the US has been appeasing Russia has an otherworldly quality which exceeds even the excreta from The Diplomat.

And as Great Britain knows too well, the path from appeasement to final loss of reserve currency status is a very short one.

OK, so Great Britain had reserve currency status and lost it. Neville Chamberlain was from Great Britain. It is a widely held belief that Neville Chamberlain tried to appease Hitler and failed infamously. It is a short path from appeasement of Hitler to loss of reserve currency status. Therefore: Neville Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler caused Great Britain's loss of reserve currency status.

Hmmmmm.... let me think about this for a second. The US has reserve currency status. It is sort of believed widely enough that Obama is from the US. The US is appeasing Russia. Putin is the current selection for the rotating position of New Hitler® ("You've gotta have one!©"). This makes Obama New Neville Chamberlain®. Just like with Classic Hitler®, it is a short path from appeasement of New Hitler® to loss of reserve currency status. Ergo: Forgetting the lesson that every Hitler must be halted, Obama's actions will live in infamy as his appeasement of Putin leads directly to the US loss of reserve currency status, causing every bad thing, which will in twenty years time be properly remembered as having been all Putin's fault.

I contend that one or more of the Tylers is on vacation this week while one of the weekend substitute Tylers last seen during the winter is coming in to water the plants and post a few articles, and thus I claim my prize of a chicken dinner.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 18:34 | 4941208 earleflorida
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Man, your good... really, good to read!    (*jmho) :-))

H/T @ 'TheFourthStooge-ing


Wed, 07/09/2014 - 14:08 | 4940342 studfinder
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When China stops sending plastic junk to Amazon/WalMart/Target/etc...then i'll know its game over.  

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 14:16 | 4940381 Jack Burton
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I might go back a bit in history here, but I remember this very well. When George W. Bush first entered the White House after his land slide victory, [just kidding!], one of his first priorities as set out by the Washington Neocon establishment was to take a firmer line on China and to confront China on her human rights and expansionist aims. Newspapers were full of stories of White House and State Department infighting over how openly to challange China. Bush followed up on Clinton's eastward military moves and stepped up US spy flights along China's coast. This resulted in the Chinese fighter plane knocking down a US spy plane which forced to land on Hainan where it managed to land on a Chinese airfield.  [Hainan airfields are where Communist China stationed many aircraft to follow the operations of the US Navy in it's airwar against North Vietnam. It was more than once that the USN almost engaged Chinese shoopers with missile fire or fighter interception.]  Things were very tense as China tore apart the plane's secret gear and invited Russian specialists to come see it as well.

The NeoCon's in Washington were calling for stern measures against China on all fronts. Some news stories said the Pentagon was in planning stages for real conflict with China. A new cold war with China.

But 9/11 shifted focus to the Middle East for a decade. As soon as the US began pulling out of the MIddle East, the great gamble of the US coup in Ukraine was pulled of successfully so it seems. This has put China out of the news and on Neocons backburner. BUT, as this Chinese spokesperson said, things are anything but calm and peaceful in Asia. Take this as a subtle warning that China will not be bullied like Russia will. Seeing Russia sit passive after the war in Ukraine broke out has worried China, and they want America to know that using proxies on China's border to foment an anti Chinese war will not stand. Or, this is my opnion of what this Chinese press release means.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 15:24 | 4940652 notadouche
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First I like to compliment you on your history lesson.  I'm taking it all on faith that you know what your talking about and your facts are straight.  You clearly know more than I.  

Perhaps a bit arrogant to think one can dictate to the main financier of your masive indebtedness that you so desperately need to keep the illusion alive and "polite society" on the "polite" side if you will.   That "can has been kicked as far down the road" as can be (to steal a phrase uttered by the current president on what he was not going to do when in office) and that is where China gets their balls and rightly so from a strictly financial relationship.  It doesn't appear that they are in position to keep doing it even if they wanted to which is why monetization of debt has transpired on massive levels.  

Tactics stolen directly from the  page from the US playbook, lend then dictate.  Shoe now apparenlty being on the other foot doesn't seem to be going down so well.   I think something like "reaping what you sow" or "turnabout is fair play" or insert favorite cliche here.

Once again "neither a borrower nor lender be" appears to be the prudent course that has never been taken in my lifetime and won't be in whatever short time I have left.

Good luck with this powder keg.  I wonder if there are any mid to major countries that aren't running massive deficits.  I suspect the Iron Bank of Braavos will decide the fate and ruler of the 7 kingdoms.  Oops... sorry I mixed real life with Game of Thrones.  

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 14:51 | 4940521 theyjustcantstop
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better watch your step,the fed., and cental banks have turned 3rd world countries to just a name on the map, i'd bet from mexico south they'd love to have big, ( brics, or euroasia), military bases in their country.

call it fed. x.

employment, surge, steady income from troops, if they can build ghost cities to keep busy they could spend their money on military bases also, they would help o'bama's plan in bankrupting america, they could fly thousands a day of latin americans into mexico for border crossing.

if the fed. can buy america, and the eu, why can't the brics, and eurasia buy latin-america, and big chunks of africa? 


Wed, 07/09/2014 - 18:52 | 4941249 are we there yet
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China's demographics with one family one child for the last few decades will be catching up with it in the next ten years worse than Japan wih a similar problem. They have an increasingly aging population that is unlikely to fit any military expansionism as they just need to feed themselves. Everything else is short term.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 06:05 | 4942501 IronForge
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A Disaster they can outlive; and possibly fare better than the USA even if they both resort to a measured Nuclear Exchange.

Why measured?  I don't think they'll both go all out - the Oligarchs need something to rebuild with.

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