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Second US Spy Busted In Germany In One Week
It just hasn't been a good week for the CIA. A year after Edward Snowden revealed that the US was bugging Angela Merkel's cell phone, first one then, moments ago, Suddeutsche Zeitung revealed that a second "spy case" involving the US (read CIA) have been revealed. According to SZ, an unidentified man working in military-related area likely to be questioned today over suspicion of spying for a U.S. intelligence service in Germany. The home and office of the suspect were being searched in Berlin area. SZ adds that the case is more serious than unrelated allegations against double agent at BND Federal Intelligence Service that emerged last week. In the meantime, the US ambassador to Germany went to the foreign ministry for a "talk" - perhaps it is to remind the local just how extensive Angela Merkel's DDR file is, and just what would be revealed about her proximity to the Kremlin if push came to shove.
More from AP:
German authorities are investigating a second spy case reportedly involving the U.S., a week after the arrest of a German intelligence employee cast a new shadow over relations between the two countries. Federal prosecutors said Wednesday that police raided properties in the Berlin area on "initial suspicion of activity for an intelligence agency." They did not elaborate or specify what intelligence agency was involved, but said they had not made an arrest.
The daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung reported, without naming sources, that the man being investigated worked in "the military field" and is suspected of spying for the United States.
A 31-year-old German intelligence employee was arrested last week on suspicion of spying for foreign powers since 2012. German media have reported he spied for the United States and offered his services to Russia.
The case has frayed relations between Berlin and Washington, which were already strained by reports last year that the National Security Agency spied on Chancellor Angela Merkel's cellphone. The U.S. ambassador to Berlin was summoned to the Foreign Ministry on Friday after news of that case broke. He was asked to help clarify the case.
Ambassador John B. Emerson was at the ministry again on Wednesday for a meeting with a senior official, said a German official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to discuss the case publicly. It wasn't immediately clear whether Emerson was summoned and whether the discussion involved the new case.
Curiously, while Merkel had much to say about the historic Germany trouncing of Brazil in the world cup, she had no comment on either of the spy cases. One wonders just how much dirt on the German chancellor the NSA has. Here's a hint: "New Biography Causes Stir: How Close Was Merkel to the Communist System?" Then again, considering the public fury over US spying, maybe the recent two "unmolings" are an indication that just as the US prepares to punish Commerzbank and Deutsche Bank, Germany will no longer stand idly by and allow its "closest ally" to dictate its fate much longer.
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That is one ugly woman.
I wonder how long it is before Putin offer'S the FSB's assistance in helping weed out Ami/German double agents?
We only spy on our allies......cause we love them.
Yes we can.....and sure as hell will.
Sending Hope and Change to the world.
The USA leftists must really love us.
I guess we still need German Technology. We are like leeches on that country.
Maybe she's rounding up a collection of CIA spies which she will only hand back to the US when it gives germany its gold
"perhaps it is to remind the local just how extensive Angela Merkel's DDR file is, and just what would be revealed about her proximity to the Kremlin if push came to shove."
Except the USA is such a toxic brand around the world that any time they try and discredit a national leader the target suffers with soaring approval ratings. See Vladimir Putin.
If the CIA published any embarassing secrets about Merkel and the Kremlin that would merely consolidate her power.
when it gives germany its gold
Heh heh....when are we doing that again?
when they can come over and get it themselves
don't hold your breath waiting for it
It looks like Germany is finally growing a pair. It took long enough...
Maybe I missed something. Sure they've uncovered some things they weren't previously aware of. But I haven't seen them do anything about it except poke out their bottom lip and look like sad puppies.
They wanna be loved by pimp-daddy. But don't mistake that for actually planning to do something about it.
Perhaps they took all that repressed hurt and pain out in Belo Horizonte last night.
The life of a poodle is difficult. Especially when you're trying to maintain the fiction of being a sovereign nation.
Bitch slap a few low level sources and then strut the important strut. In private, listen respectfully and do what you're told.
Guess those guys/gals better get comfy, eh?
Germany will gets it gold on Sunday and put that 10 pound hunk (albeit an ugly rendering of the yellow metal) on a plane from Sao Paulo to Frankfurt/Main.
The world will take notice...except for those sheeple watching American Idol.
"Cool iPhone case" She is holding a new Blackberry.
rotf... but when you rush to be first there's no room for double checking photos and such. You will lose every time. He took his chances and came up snake eyes.
Hey, competition is tough here in Fight Club.
I'm sorry, whose flag is on the moon again?
don't start in on that crap that German science got us there, either... von Braun told anyone who would listen that they got their ideas from Goddard and, in the case of the V2, committed outright plagiarism in weaponizing Goddard's inventions...
and you fake moon landing nutters can hug on deez, let's just get that out of the way now... you're wrong, get over it
I guess if US labor and tech is so dumb and bad then Germans should stop manufacturing things in the US... tried to buy a BMW SUV lately that was made in Germany? you can't, they're all made in the US... just one example of many...
list of most innovative countries... USA #1, Germany #3 (after South Korea)... shall I go on or have you had enough "I was wrong for even opening my stupid mouth" for the day?
Problem is, the flag is not just on the moon.
Robots can build cars anywhere
Thank you. (I guess he thinks they moved over here because the workmanship on Chevies and Ford Tauruses impressed the shit out of them. I'm guessing there's some other, less lofty reason...)
never been to Spartanburg, have you?
Yes, we own the Moon and don't you forget it.
China owns 30% of it though. I hear real estate is hot now...
"I guess if US labor and tech is so dumb and bad then Germans should stop manufacturing things in the US..."
Yeah, US labor and tech is great. So great in fact that a great American company, IBM, helped the Nazi's and their extermination during WWII. That says a lot of good 'ol US of A ingenuity. Go Merica!
Merica!
Shane Black called, he wants his IM3 meme back.
The problem is in having an unbalanced view of 'America'. I use quote marks because you have to define what you mean by the term. It can be anything from the physical dirt within a defined geographic area to 300 million+ individuals (only a few whom we know personally). And to many politicians, it seems that 'America' means whatever big government/crony insider fake 'capitalism' agenda that they want to push at the detriment to everyone else.
To many of us, 'America' is an idea and an ideal. It was the land where it was recognized that individual human beings have rights . . . which cannot be taken away. It was recognized that such individuals were free and had the right to pursue their happiness as they wish (as long as this does not interfere with the rights of others). It was a place where those without title or wealth, could make a life for themselves and their families. It was recognized that (as Thomas Jefferson said) "the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them"
We have not been perfect, - far from that. But, as a people, we had been evolving over our short history. For awhile we we moving closer to the ideal of 'America'. (Since human beings are imperfect, we will never reach that ideal final destination in this reality, but we can move closer toward it.) It seems that over the last century we allowed the corrupt to steer us away from that ideal. Its time to get back on the right path again. Its time for us to strive to be "The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave" again.
It takes an independent, free thinking people of great courage to examine themselves and do what it takes to live up to their ideas (and the ideal).
America is failing because it is importing the type mindset it left behind in Europe early in its development.
Had it imported just libertarians and anarchists, America would still be a minarchist country.
Nothing is going to fix it unless about 290 million socialists and fascists are kicked out.
No chance of that happening.
You interfered with the rights of individual human beings from the beginning, by committing genocide on native americans.
That's incredibly racist ... because you're forgetting all the African slaves and the European indentured servants.
No one alive today did any of that. Human beings have killed each other since the dawn of humanity. Various people in American native tribes killed and enslaved the members of other tribes. People in Europe and in Asia have been killing on a grand scale. Look at the Romans. Look at the Mongol invasions. Look at what the English did to the Irish & the Scots. Look at what . . . well, the list of mans inhumanity to man is long and tragic. - - - So, is this an excuse for what some people did in America to the people in the native tribes ? Of course not. But balance is needed . . . men do not wear angel wings no matter where they choose to live.
Before the time of the American revolution kings had rights. Nobels had rights. But there was no such thing as the idea of 'human rights'. In America the idea of human rights that 'all men are created equal' was born as an idea in action. No, men did not live up fully to their ideals. These rights did not extend to blacks & the native peoples. (Humans did to these people what they have often done when they had something that they wanted to take - they dehumanized them.) Human rights did not fully extend to women. But we must compare the conditions in America to the rest of the world to make a fair evaluation. The Frenchman Alexis de Tocqueville wrote in 'On Democracy in America' about the many differences between the American character and that of other people around the world. He covered the postitive and negative. Americans had a higher literacy rate than the people in Europe (kept ignorant & subservient). Americans had an independent 'can do' attitude. Americans did not bow to other men just because of 'title'.
Of course, these same differences were seen as a threat to the ruling classes in Europe.
lay off the crack pipe dude. america was founded by a collection of the wealthiest aristocrats in the world for their own benefit, and not for the benefit of henry shay or the whiskey farmers. and the elitists have maintained their grip on power up to the present day.
news flash: every culture thinks they have the best system of enlightened government, including the muslims. and china's particular brand of asiatic despotism will in all likelihood wipe out the west because it emphasizes national greatness over parasitic banking and welfare handouts
Of course aristocrats wanted to set up colonies in America from which they would benefit. Only problem with that strategy ? If they got too greedy the settlers would just move somewhere else.
You don't have to have a rose colored glasses view of America. That's rather naive and is not my point. Hell, I think the best form of government was when the Articles of Confederation were in force. (The US Constitution has its problems). And IMO anarcho-capitalism has a helluva lot going for it as a political philosophy.
Of course, men use government to their own personal benefit - to gain wealth and power over others. Its always been that way, and maybe it always will be that way. So the question is . . . how are men to live together on this planet without killing each other? The globalists think that they should rule over the dumbed down masses. They can use naked force, or use manipulation of their minds and the appearance of 'democracy' to have them vote in their own tyranny.
We've strayed Far from it, and we don't have it now . . . . but IMO isn't self rule by free men a better way to live for most of humanity ? What is the alternative that people propose thats better ?
What would be great: If Americans, (who have been dumbed down), would be taught what the American ideals are. If Americans, (who haven't been taught real history), would be taught how we have and have not lived up to those ideals. If Americans would actually start living up to the American ideals (including "All men created equal", "no entangling alliances & no foreign wars" and "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" today.)
BTW - Murray Rothbard wrote an excellent and balanced history of America that's worth reading.
dude the aristocrats who founded america were named george washington and thomas jefferson
'dude' - George Washington could have been king, many wanted him to do so, but he refused. Jefferson lived fairly modestly given his accomplishments. His farm couldn't support itself and had to be sold by his heirs to cover its debts after the man died.
Do you know what the word 'aristocrat' means ?
Certain monied interests were pushing for a more powerful central government at the time of the writing & enactment of the US Constitution. Hamilton was at the heart of that movement - including the push for a central bank. Jefferson opposed such a bank & warned about these monied interests & how they may steal the peoples Liberty. Hamilton & Jefferson hated each other BTW.
Men are imperfect; they aren't angels. They shouldn't be put on pedestals. But Washington & Jefferson were fine men.
Is the only history Americans get either the 'rah, rah . . we're # 1 ! ' stuff or Harold Zinn (and worse) America bashing today ? Of course, most Americans don't read a serious book after high school or college, so their 'history lessons' come from t.v. and movies.
uve been duped. the idea of returning to the garden of eden / paradise recurs in all religions: christian / jew / confucian / democracy / muslim
@magetosphere - and what do you propose as a counter proposition ? What should be the form of governance ?
form of government is not particularly important. they all get overthrown after a few centuries of degeneration to imbeciles like kaiser wilhelm II, tsar nicholas II, louis auguste, churchill, empress dowager cixi, bush/obama/hillary/bernanke/greenspan/robert rubin. then the strong capable people start over and build a new society.
@magnetosphere - so ya got nothing ? 'Build a new society" ? What does that mean, and based on what ? What is your definition of a 'society' ? Might makes right ?
And if the king wants to break down your door and rape your wife or girlfriend, he can just come in and do so ?
kings that lose the mandate of heaven get overthrown.
and make no mistake. detroit/greece/england have been overthrown. people don't care about your fundamentalist ideologies. they want food to eat
and how is the best way to produce the food that people eat ?
You mentioned China. You do know they couldn't feed themselves before the west invested over there (and offshored American industry), don't you ? Do you know about Stalin and how many starved when the farms were collectivized in the USSR ? The system and philosophies of governance make a Big Difference as to what happens in the real world. Little catch phrases that have no concrete meaning have absolutely no value. Do you think we should just have a 'king with the mandate of heaven' ?
Oh yeah, that's much more concrete than Jefferson and Paine.
@magnetosphere: "and china's particular brand of asiatic despotism will in all likelihood wipe out the west because it emphasizes national greatness over parasitic banking and welfare handouts"
Youre the one on crack if you believe that. The Chinese communists killed millions of their own people and they could barely feed themselves until western investment and offshoring stepped in. They were quite willing to destroy 'national greatness' if it meant the communists staying in power. Under communism there is no 'welfare' because everyone is paid by the state. I have no love for the parasitic banksters, but China just has its own set of parasites.
Newsflash: Psychopaths seem to come to power just about anywhere & everywhere in the world. That's why the American founders warned of the dangers of too strong & centralized power. Of course that lesson was ignored for the last 150 years.
Too many people take off the rose colored glasses when viewing America (which is good), but then put them back on when looking at other places around the world.
To many outside the us for a very long time, it was also a shining example.
And worst of all, criticism is painted as envy and hatred instead of concern.
@FlyingDutchman - good point.
Nothing can be remedied unless you look at the truth. IMO America got off the right path a very long time ago. A good case can be made that this happened almost at the beginning, during the time of the constitutional convention. Patrick Henry refused to attend that convention because he feared that it threatened states and individual rights. That said, the fact that we often haven't lived up to our ideals doesn't mean that those ideals have no merit and shouldn't be pursued.
400+ foreign military bases and counting. Protecting borders around world...but here at home, the only place the flag is required to fly, how is our own southern border?
With all the talk about 50k foreign child invaders from the south since last fall, not one peep about the fact that apparently any foreign terrorist could just waltz over. And then they stick their fingers up the wholes of law abiding US citizens who merely want to board an airplane?
Gotta love them chest pounding Merikenz!
Washington & Jefferson warned about getting involved in wars and foreign conflicts around the world.
Of course, they purposely took the teaching of real history out of American schools beginning a little over a century ago.
lol @ downvotes... yeah you haters, bring the hate lol...
this gives germany's people a bad name, after hitler you could not trust a german until the berlin wall fell, they spy at the drop of a hat..stasi double agents were legendary in the spy world...and we are shocked.
True, every good realtionship is build on distrust and suspicion.
Maybe I'm just being conspiratorial, but could all of this just be for show? in the way you open up the valve on top of a pressure cooker just enough so that the whole thing doesn't explode? To create an illusion for the 5% of the influential population that could force change?
Ah, I see you've met the wife, then! ;-}
Actually, I'm pretty much safe from that one, these days. Too fucking busy trying to make ends meet, keep an eye on what interesting curves our 'masters' are throwing today, stock up, stack and keep things working to have time for an affair. Not that I would, anyway. Purely by luck, I seem to have picked a good one. Why fuck it up?
"Trust, but verify." - Ronald Reagan
Merkel's been the #1 double agent from Day 1. The US is so naive...or maybe not.
The answer is what would happen if we combed the halls of power in Vichy D.C., the Pentagon, the MIC and related industries, exactly how many German spies would we find in our Rid-ex lice comb?
Undoubtedly you can't swing a dead cat without hitting any number of Chinese spies, but of course the Germans are a member of the family.
Kinda like your mother or wife rifling your drawers and going through your closets looking for evidence of bad behaviour or an extramarital affair.
Hopefully, we spy on every government...
More like how long it took for the Germans to accept the offer.
Who do you think is tipping them off? ...KGB
Did not realize he was a woman. But further checking is needed to check for brass.
Jokes aside, it appears that everyone is spying on everyone else.
Yep.....working it Stasi style.....we're all East Germans now.
And when everyone knows everything about everybody, we can all collectively puke together....what a mixed bag - sardines and peach jelly.
Technocracy. Its for global control of useless eaters of every colour.
http://www.augustforecast.com/
"We need trust among allies and partners. Such trust now has to be built anew." — German Chancellor Angela Merkel to The Guardian, Oct. 25
Third time is the charm?
BFF's!
Is it me or is that eagle a tad juvenile? Looks like a boss from Angry Birds or something.
Teutonic War Eagle
Cute!
Sam the Eagle from the Muppet Show.
On another spy-related matter. an NSA spokesperson used the phrase "core values" in defending the NSA. When discussing another spy agency, the KGB, writers referred to its "Dark Core," which carried out all sorts of nefarious stuff, up to and including murder. Spy agencies are the same all over.
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The Intercept also reported that Snowden provided a 2005 training document that instructed “intelligence community personnel” to file memos correctly to justify a FISA warrant. “In the place where the target’s real name would go,” Greenwald writes, “the memo offers a fake name as a placeholder: ‘Mohammad Raghead.’”
Another senior government official, who is not authorized to speak to the press, told ABC News that the offensive document was produced by a low-level "knucklehead" who only shared it with a few fellow government or military employees, not thousands of intelligence workers. [Then how did Snowden get it in Hawaii]
Vanee Vines, a spokesperson for the NSA, told ABC News that while the agency would not comment on the “authenticity of any allegedly leaked material,” the NSA “has not and would not approve official training documents that include insulting or inflammatory language.”
“Any use of racial or ethical stereotypes, slurs or other similar language by employees is both unacceptable and inconsistent with NSA policy and core values,” Vines said.
No problem with using illegal wiretap orders but everyone is all upset about the example fake name "Raghead".
The power of stupid is crushing my soul.
German / Russian Axis coming at you !
freedom fo nations, doom day to usa and uk!
Oh, I dunno. The UK are very quietly building trade agreements with India, China and a bunch of others. More direct currency swap frameworks being put in place than have been openly admitted, too, or so the grapevine is whispering.
Our ruling elite scumbags look to be joining every bugger else in throwing the US ruling elite scumbags under the bus. They're just doing it a little less openly than Russia, China, et al.
London and Frankfurt Yuan exchange...A done deal.
Ya know...just for convenience.
Guess their getting tired of sitting on the diddling Uncle Sam's lap.
The countries the US occupied - ehm, freed after the end of WWII realize that the global policeman's power is waning, and are beginning to raise their heads.
This may get interesting...
it is natural to give up some for sacrifice.
what is 2
when you have 10s of thousands of agents
Nuland operative gets caught with hand in cookie jar..
If you love someone, you spy on them, bug their phone, read their mail...
it's what everybody does in a healthy relationship no?
just make sure she doesn't find out and when she get jealous, it means she definitly has something to hide that you have to find out.
And maybe it's all very innocent... like maybe all the Americans want to know is if the Germans have any gold hidden somewhere...
Obama promised it would all stop and a American president isn't a liar no is he?
I guess our State Department is undergoing an Orchestrated Controlled Collapse.
Gilligan?
they spy on everyone. it's for our own good.
Great for U.S. credibility !
i wonder how many years merkel thought her cell phone conversations were private?
I wonder how many years her girlfriend(s) thought her cell phone conversations were private?
How long before the elite gets tired spinning the hamster wheel? Expecting new results can take decades. NWO Is DOA, get over it.
Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde of IMFcatch the in joke about the g7.
in jan it was the g8 : )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw#t=105
Thanks, saw that. I read the BIS and IMF as if it were the Wall Street Urinal. Winks
Merkel, your days are numbered. Business's must be pissed as hell. With you doing jack, they will simply put some puppet in that will do something.
vee are coming for your schnitzel bitchez!
weiner is hammered
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ex-german nazis spying on ex-nazi nation. How ironic is that!
Germany could capture 10 more "US spies" to amp up the story.
Makes for good front page news.
This is common practice amongst politicians anywhere in the world.
So now what is Germany up to since they are not on the radar??? Not that the MSM does much, but there are other media sources like those Tylers over at ZH!!!!!
they caught 2. the usa has like two hundred.
So many US spies in Germany.
and what do they do with the spies? bullet?
why not?
or just hang them?
or exchange them for gold? :)
bait
Right about now Kerry is doing his best imitation of a horse faced french Colonel Klink and 0bama has just teed off and turns to his main-stream propaganda minister and comments 'Blame Bush and send Merkle more of her NSA file...'
this dried up cunt will just swallow whatever jewish seed is forced down her ugly mouth and throat.
how many team usa bases in germany how much compensation does germany still give israel.
giving israel stste of the art submarines has to be one of the most insane acts in years.
this is all a bad act.
this fat blackmailed leather face east german whore was once a man.
it will arrange some flowers and pop them in the window for dressing.
It was a gross act of racist evil to give Israel nuclear submarines. As if things were not already a powder key and white phosphorous in the Middle East.
Funny Trivia, if a foreign Power has bases in your country it pays You for the privilage.
In Germany, all US bases are financed by Germany itself, they are paying for their own occupation!
another funny trivia: US bases in Germany are only in the previous American Occupation Zone. The French and the British zones were the first to be "de-occupied", and the Soviet Zone was "deoccupied" in the early 90's
so technically, if you want to label the the German Federal Republic as "occupied", you'd have to say "partially occupied"
Oh the dirt and blackmail material they have on Merkel and her government.
The Federal Reserve laughed at Germany when it wanted it's gold back because the US sociopaths in the White House had the goods on Germany.
The US knows even if Merkel wears underwear.
...perhaps it is to remind the local just how extensive Angela Merkel's DDR file is, and just what would be revealed about her proximity to the Kremlin if push came to shove."...
Nope! She's still working for the same "boyz" only this time the flag has changed from 'Red' to "red, white and blue" with a special star designated for Angie and her Country the State of Germany for the 69 years of service through American military occupation and control!
After all...The Stazi always was in Washington D.C. controling East Berlin before and after the "Wall" fell! Angela needs to be blackmailed and replaced! Can't live with her can't live without her...
Best of all the Germans know it!
the FBI has ventured into the international intel arena.... it only took them 2 months to get to the "Benghazi crime scene".... This is more likely their handiwork.... sloopy and inept.... So let's find out where the leaks are coming from..... my bet.... the WHITE HOUSE.... more of their destroy Amerika agenda..
As the ferociously anti-communist American stance is foreign to the European psyche (Europe has lived alongside communist countries for ages), revelations about a proximity between Merkel and the Communist party wouldn't harm her at all. All the more as she is from GDR, a country where you wanted to be friends with the Communists if you knew what was good for you.
What would actually discredit her would be revelations of how much of a whore to Washington she is. Nobody stomachs traitors to their country.
Neither Russia nor China are communist countries any longer. Indeed the US and the EU and most of its constitutent countries are more communist than are Russia and China.
Certainly Russia and China have authoritarian regimes. But so do the US and the EU. The difference is who is most likely to run afoul of those regimes. In the US you're fine if you're homosexual or Muslim but at risk if you're a Christian. In Russia the latter are OK but homosexuals and Muslims may have more trouble with the state. No wonder Obama is so enraged by Russia.
the EU has authoritarian regimes? which ones, prey? please explain who, where, what
if you say "the UK and gays", and want to cite the case of Alan Turing getting chemically castrated for being gay... that law was thrown in the dust bin in the late 50's
Well, the UK is still part of the EU and we have an authoritarian regime. One glance thru some of the anti-liberty laws passed in the UK under Blair and now Cameron confirms that. Then of course, in the UK armed police can shoot you dead on the streets (or in a tube train) and do so with complete impunity. Let's not forget that GCHQ is the world's 2nd largest spying agency after its joined-at-the-hip sister, the NSA.
We haven't yet got to the stage of having an RFID chip fitted in our neck for 24h State surveillance or filling out a form in triplicate before leaving the home, but give it time.
never heard Nigel Farage talk about all those things in the EU parliament...
Indeed you have not. The only time Farage got close to this subject is when he had a rant about "The (British) Establishment" and the need to tear it down.
Speaking personally, if one imagines a Farage Government in Britain, I doubt if authoritarianism would change very much. Maybe a few pluses and a few minuses, that's all.
Why?? Because Farage would very quickly learn that it isn't really our elected politicians who run this country because most of them are as thick as pig shit and couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery. Britain's run by an army of unelected and unaccountable Civil Servants, aka "The Establishment". They are powerful people and own and run the giant government machine. The elected politicians enter a Govt Ministry as a "transient" minister and cannot possibly hope to make serious changes to its culture or general MO during their short terms of office. They simply play the role of "front-man".
And if they press hard for changes, the Civil Servant power-brokers will simply not co-operate or if things get really bad, they'll "leak dirt" about the minister to the media and force him/her to resign.
The most that any elected politician can do in office is to make cosmetic changes and "big them up" to fool the electorate.
Theresa May is one example of this. The Home Office and its giant agencies of The State (Met Police, UK Border Agency, GCHQ etc) are as bloated and out of control today as they've ever been, yet she would have us believe that she's making important improvements. No way.
BTW: if you thought I'm a Farage supporter, you'd be wrong ;-)
Hang them from a new BMW in a TV commerical during the next German World Cup match. Then monitor who books airline tickets out of Germany about the same time. Drag them in and water board them to see who else works for foreign intel.
Of course the US should spy on Germany, because one of these days Germany is going to wake up and part company with the USA.
Is it me or do I detect the deft hand of Putin in unmasking these two US spies?
In the first case its a no-brainer if the spy contacted Russia offering documents so they certainly knew about that one...
Germany has been an occupied nation since WWII.
- The U.S. has the German gold..and they cannot have it back. Its called the spoils of war.
- The U.S. keeps troops on German soil and they will not leave. Its called foreign occupation.
- The U.S. does not spy on Germany. The U.S. monitors the status of the occupation.
When you lose the big war there are long term consequences.
Wonder how they are finding these dudes? Russia dropping some anon emails? NSA files from Snowden? Something going on behind the scenes?
Isn't spying how we know our friends? I remember back in the day that France had the most amounts of Spying activity going on against us. Isn't that what friends do?
I think at this moment nobody in Germany gives a flying fuck about Merkel's DDR past and 'how close she is to the Kremlin'. Stronger even, it might now be a plus. With friends like Americans who needs Russians? (sounds contradictory to 'how close she is to the Kremlin' but you get the point).
Except that Merkel has always played down her earlier life in the DDR, claiming she was just a minion. The truth may be very different. This would concern people in Western corridors of power and raise the possibility that she may have serious loyalties to Russia and even a hidden plan ... ...
Yes just as Henry Kissinger, Victoria Nuland and a cast of thousands in the US System have serious loyalties.....I mean go through the US State Department and try find someone loyal to Germany or Britain......
As for Merkel she is hardly forceful and directed. The German President Gauck is really tired of US duplicity and his father spent 4 years in a Soviet Gulag on trumped up charges, so for him to find US behaviour revolting says it all.
Germany will simply have to develop a better operation than BND and let the Verfassungsschutz loose to bug Five Eyes and it hardly needs alignment with Russia......just bring in life imprisonment for economic espionage and start tax audits of PE operations in Germany and cease buying US military equipment or computer software and cancel Cisco routers. Russia and China will always spy on Germany......it has not done Britain much good - two world wars and continual spying for 70 years and the Germans have whipped them industrially and at soccer.......I mean who wants Wayne Rooney when you have Thomas Mueller ?
Isn't the German President Gauck supposedly the guy who knows all about her past life, having had his hands in the Stasi files after the DDR imploded??
He's still alive, so either what he knows is not earth shattering OR he's a very wealthy man ;-)
there is a third option to all this: that he knows a lot of things... and that he also knows that all Allies have dirtied their hands in Germany, in the same way as lots of Germans. and that he knows that there is no gain in washing all dirty laundry all over the place
Gauck was a Lutheran pastor and a human rights activist in that bloody damn socialist Democratic Republic of Germany aka DDR
something that spells idealist all over the place
A trivial third option methinks. If he were to spurt out what he knows about her it doesn't mean that he would also spurt out everything he knows about others as if the dirt was all inseparable. After all, he is the German President.
... which is a very, very low-powered office, in Germany. and a lot of this dirt is inseparable. if one side starts to tell one part of the story, the rests comes out, too
And while they are at it, cut the internet cables that pass the Atlantic. At least do not route European internet traffic destined for European countries via the US (that happens: when you send an email from one European location to another it often gets rerouted via the US). European backbones, European clouds (or better no clouds at all) and big European firewalls.
smacker says, "This would concern people in Western corridors of power and raise the possibility that she may have serious loyalties to Russia and even a hidden plan."
That would be a serious concern is Russia still was a Communist country. As it's dropped Communism to become a Conservative Christian, economically liberal country somewhere in 1991 (in the wake of the USSR downfall), nobody gives a hoot about whatever past complicity Merkel had with the bygone Communist-era Kremlin.
You and I may believe that Russia has become all those things since the USSR collapsed. But people in the Western corridors of power do not. Or at least their policies do not reflect it. This is evidenced by recent events in Ukraine and the roll out of NATO in to countries abutting Russia which clearly have the intention of fencing Russia in. There is little doubt that Washington and Westminster continue to see Russia as a threat, as in during the Cold War I. Is it any wonder that Russia looks East to China?
agree. though our American Cousins and Friends are still our allies, and the Kremlin less so
and the recent Juncker Affair should give some evidence that Merkel is not "invested with great heaps of power". she has to touch base with everybody inside her "power base", from the SPD that is her coalition partner in German federal politics to her own CDU to the sister party CSU and of course the federated governments of Germany - which form the other legislative chamber complementing the parliament, to the european conservative alliance aka EPP - which wanted Juncker in the first place and said: "Angie, go to Cameron and tell him to stuff it - we won't forget that he took the Torys out of the EPP"
English speaking financial newspapers are full of requests for leadership. and admiration for the Great Chancellor Angela Merkel. Yet they don't even see that she is that "effective" because she is a power broker without obvious and clear own agenda, to the point that it's possible to speculate she never had any agenda, or conviction, or ideology
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So, opportunist then.
Indeed Uncle. That has often been said of her.
some of the very best politicians are so, imho
they ask you what you want them to promise, then they make that promise... and then they keep that promise
I know, I know, the anti-establishment dislike of politician leads to "all politicians are..." comments followed by "all governments are...", yet there is quality to be found in republics, democracy and politicians
a low quality politician does not even know if there is a damn chance of keeping that promise, and the lowest quality politician does not even care, and gives only a "good show" of trying
She is a politician, what is new?
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unprincipled is the word you are looking for.
Well, not only...
Well, you know Ghordius. Us Brits must have got it all wrong. I could have sworn that Merkel calls the shots in Germany and also the EU. Perhaps it just appears that way.
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by putting that "/s"... are you trying to avoid a serious discussion on that? smacker, you know that there is nearly no chance in hell to be elected in the UK if you don't have the support of a dominant party
UKIP's Nigel Farage is trying to get at least one single damn seat in Westminster since UKIP was formed, and with no avail, yet. as we discussed, it looks easier for him to steer the whole country around (and get lots of MEP seats) then getting one voice in Parliament
this in not the case in Germany - or generally on the continent. parties spring up left, right and in the middle, and parties splitting on issues "on a whim", and even lone, unattached people can get elected
"calling the shots" in the British way is too confrontational, here, you can be ejected very easily, if you show this kind of leadership
(there is a reason why a Party Whip is called so, in the UK)
Fascinating stuff Ghordius.
But you avoided commenting on "who" calls the shots in Germany. There's a lot of reports that claim "she" called the shots over kicking out the elected governments of Greece, Italy.
I take it that you are saying that nobody really calls the shots and Merkel is simply a good negotiator. Maybe that is how she calls the shots ;-)
you know that I find this kind of phrases very misleading, "...called the shots over kicking out the elected governments of Greece, Italy"
neither in Greece nor in Italy nor in the United Kingdom do people elect governments. they elect parliaments
which then appoint a government, at their pleasure, as long as they want
having said that: socialists and conservatives agreed and replaced those two governments. and Merkel is one of the leaders of the european conservatives (EPP)
yet in the Italian case, they had to convince the President, didn't they? the same guy that appointed by presidential decree Monti to Senator for Life
Good point Ghordius but I think Merkel firstly needs to keep German industry happy.
I don't particularly trust Putin but the Americans are losing trust by Europeans really fast. Everybody spies on everyone but the recent scandals are too close for comfort.
"she never had any agenda, or conviction, or ideology".
She's like the rest of the UE leaders in that respect. The only agenda/ideology the UE upholds consists in vacuous moralizing about communities: muslim immigrants, LGBT, Swedish feminists, Vegan lobbies, pot consumers, you name it as long as it has to do with minorities. I guess they think that always having some phony prejudice to whine about makes them look like the good guys.
Other than that, big corporations money rules.
Shtup shtup, baby.
Yo, Angela, what the fuck you gonna do about it?
Same thing the Republicans ae going to do about the IRS scandal.... NOTHING, cauuse they were in on it too. This is strictly for public consumption .
Seems like in the last 6 years the US government has been more interested in surveillance of US allies.
Puttin' her sexy on!
Time for Dick Holder to throw a few of his German accomplices in the USA under the bus.
methinks the lady doth protest too much. I like how all these euro nations are SHOCKED, shocked I tells ya about spying and the NSA.
AS if.....
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/06/18/nsa-surveillance-s...
War on Terrorists: the CIA is the biggest terrorist organization. Those that don't see this are the 1%ers or just Stupid. jmho.
You can keep our depleated uranium dust.....It saves the USA from disposal....fees. Babies with defects for generations to come.....Uncle Sam.
IRREPERABLE DAMAGE and convenient timing.
Merkel is visiting Russia and China.
USD HEGEMONY is KAPPUTT und TERMINIERT!
SPYING is VERBOTEN!
Angela's DDR file?
What is there, how many times she goes to a toilet?
BS!
The money counts.
US will not return Germany's gold, means a net loss of 900 tons of gold for BundesBank.
France did shoot at perodolar twice within 5 days.
Now it is Angela's turn to shoot at USD.
Germany does not need any USD. She has to start doing the things and US Jewsish Government will have to watch all their "allies", ehm. muppets, not to run to the other side of the street.