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Las Vegas Is More "Screwed"; Drought Drains Lake Mead To Lowest Since Hoover Dam Built
Two weeks ago we highlighted just how "screwed" Las Vegas is due to the catastrophic drought that is occurring (combined with almost total ignorance that this is a problem). As Bloomberg's James Nash reports, about 55% of Nevada, already the nation’s driest state, is under “extreme’’ or “exceptional’’ drought conditions, the worst grades on the U.S. Drought Monitor; but recently the situation has got even worse. Lake Mead, the man-made reservoir that supplies 90 percent of the water for 2 million people in the Las Vegas area, has been reduced by drought to the lowest level since it was filled in 1937, according to the federal government who explained "It concerns us all very much," as it is a resource used by 3 states. Simply put, The shortfall is endangering water supplies to the residents and 43 million annual visitors to the driest metropolitan area in the country.
We discussed in detail just how dire the water situation is in Las Vegas here, but as Bloomberg reports, things are deteriorating fast...
Lake Mead, the man-made reservoir that supplies 90 percent of the water for 2 million people in the Las Vegas area, has been reduced by drought to the lowest level since it was filled in 1937, according to the federal government.
The lake, now at 39 percent of capacity, has been dropping since 2012, according to U.S. Bureau of Reclamation data, as much of the western U.S. has suffered the most serious drought in decades. The shortfall is endangering water supplies to the residents and 43 million annual visitors to the driest metropolitan area in the country.
Lake Mead, created by the Hoover Dam in 1936 and 1937, holds mountain snowmelt from the Colorado River for farms, homes and businesses predominately in southern Nevada, southern California and most of Arizona. No metropolitan area depends on the lake more than Las Vegas, which lacks groundwater or other local sources.
“This is significant because it’s a resource used by three states,’’ said Rose Davis, a spokeswoman for the bureau. “We all have to keep an eye on it because it’s the major water source for three areas. It concerns us all very much.’’
The lake’s surface, which reached a record high of 1,225 feet above sea level in July 1983, is now at about 1,083 feet, according to the bureau. If the level drops below 1,050 feet, one of the two intakes that feed water to Las Vegas will become inoperable. At 50 feet lower, the other would fail. Since 2008, contractors have been boring through rock to create a third conduit to draw water from as low as 860 feet.
About 55 percent of Nevada, already the nation’s driest state, is under “extreme’’ or “exceptional’’ drought conditions, the worst grades on the U.S. Drought Monitor, a federal website. Portions of California, New Mexico and Colorado also are in the “exceptional’’ category, according to the monitor.
Nevadans have cut back on water use since the magnitude of the drought became clear, according to data from the Southern Nevada Water Authority.
The region reduced daily usage 4.6 percent per person, to 124 gallons in 2013, from 130 gallons in 2012, authority spokeswoman Nicole Lise said by e-mail. In Los Angeles, personal consumption in 2013 was 129 gallons, according to the Department of Water and Power.
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As we concluded 2 weeks ago, the bottom line - get there now, watch the fountains, drink the water, swim in the lake... (and sell your house)
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I was just out there with the family over the weekend... It's looking pretty sad. They only had 3 out of 8 turbines on the Nevada side running, who knows if any are on the otherside.
Viva
The next "great depression" will be blamed on the drought like the last one was. They will teach it to your children and grandchildren. "It was 'climate' change that brought the great USA to it's knees".
But...But...Free water is a HUMAN RIGHT. That's what they told us in Detroit last week.
Oh, wait...
Imagine that...
You live in a freakin' desert and there's a drought. I don't think you need to have been a scientist to predict that this would eventually happen. I know the initial source is the mountains of Colorado, but the other (not unsubstantial) tributaries come from low rainfall states as well.
Just like Vegas' creed... the law of probability will eventually catch up with you - win or lose.
why the fuck they built vegas where it is...
Ask Bugsy Siegel.
when are people gonna learn ... you don't fuck with Mother Nature
Don't Worry Man Will Fix Nature
http://www.globalresearch.ca/climate-engineering-biosphere-destruction-a...
Good call. The drought is being created through weather modification by the Federal Gov i.e. The Corporate Fascist Entity. The guy in the YouTube Video, Dane Wiggington, has a ranch about 20 miles south of me. He and a group of experts are giving a presentation on the induced drought to the County Commissioners here in Siskiyou (Northernmost CA) this coming Tuesday. This weather nightmare is part of Agenda 21.
As I have said all along - It's all Theater. It's all rigged. The markets, the government, your television, the food, medicine, the public schools, and now the weather.
For those Little Bo-Peeps out there that have yet to wake up... do so soon.
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
Wiggington is so fitting a name given the level of alarm with which he presents his stuff.
His "sky is falling" way of speaking on this topic probably deters folks away, which is a shame because where I live, the jet-trails regulary criss-cross the blue sky into a haze.
what in the world are they spraying, indeed.
Alarming way of speaking? The Geo-engineering/aerosol spraying is part of a global eugenics/extermination program. Those of us that haven’t already been psychologically neutralized better damn well sound the alarm. I have known for a decade, long before http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ came on the scene this is the case. Sad to say most comments on this thread are being posted from inside the Propaganda Matrix.
You assume that "they" are smart and "they" have control.
I doubt both.
“They” referring to the Ruling Oligarchy certainly have major control of the puppet US Government. ‘They’ have their CIA lackeys in all key positions. For your edification -
Transcribed from a Dr. Stan Montieth, retired orthopedic surgeon and host of Radio Liberty, interview given on 11/14/10 –
“What is taking place in America is not happening by accident. There is an organized intentional effort to destroy the economy of our country. Now how can I make the statement? I read the plan. Where can you get the plan, It’s called the Earth Charter. It was written by Steven Rockefeller who is the nephew of David Rockefeller. And if you honestly believe that Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are the two wealthiest people in the United States why you have been reading Time Magazine too long. The real power belongs to the Rockefeller family they’ve been around for almost a hundred years. And basically the Rockefellers dominate Chase Manhattan Bank. David was the president of Chase Manhattan for many years. Now it’s J.P. Morgan Chase, they control CitiGroup, they control the major pharmaceutical companies, they control Exxon and Chevron. They control our major corporations and of course David Rockefeller’s Tri-Lateral Commission controls our government. How can I make that statement? Well you go back and read Barry Goldwater’s ---- With No Apologies…and on page 280 of that book Barry Goldwater says- You know the Council On Foreign Relations is domestic but the Tri-Lateral Commission is international. Their goal is to take over financial and commercial interests of the world by first seizing control of the government of the United States.(Barry Goldwater 1979) What have they done since then? Well the North American chapter of the Tri-Lateral Commission which was birthed by the Council on Foreign Relations in 1973. (And the Council on Foreign relations is a front for a secret society created by Cecil Rhodes back in 1891 dedicated to taking overt control of the world.) Cecil Rhodes wanted England to control the world and to bring America along. The plan changed after the First World War where America would take over the world and bring Great Britain along. You can find this documented in a book called Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World In Our Time written by Professor Carol Quigley, a leading historian of the twentieth century. An historian who actually discovered the secret society that controls the world today. How do I know? Because I went back to Georgetown University in 1980, I went through Professor Quigley’s papers before they were censored and I found all of his correspondence with Sir Alfred Zimmern who was a member of this secret society and who told Professor Quigley all about this secret society and who was in it. And then of course in 1921 why, this secret society which had a front group called the ‘Round Table’ created the Council on Foreign Relations which then birthed the Bilderburger Group and then birthed the Tri-Lateral Commission in 1973. Of course at that time the chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations was David Rockefeller. David Rockefeller financed the Tri-lateral Commission and is the honorary chairman of the North American Chapter today. Now between 1977 and 2008 why every president and/or vice-president of the United States came from the membership roles of the Tri-Lateral Commission. Actually, six of the eight presidents of the World Bank; Eight of the ten American representatives to the World Trade Organization; Seven of the Twelve Secretaries of State and nine of the twelve secretaries of Defense all came from the membership roles of this North American Chapter of the Tri-Lateral Commission. And today twelve of these people surround Barrak Obama.
Don’t let them dissuade you. They point to Barack Obama –you know he’s a socialist. He’s a Muslim. He’s a communist. He was born in Kenya, he doesn’t have a right to be president…They are playing games with your mind. The important issue is that Barak Obama does what he is told. He is controlled by the Tri-Lateral commission. In fact General James Jones, a four Star Marine General who heads the National Security Council in a speech in February of this year (2010) at a Munich Security Conference talked about the chain of command in the National security Council (Now remember the head of the National Security Council, General James Jones meets with Barak Obama every day and tells him what to do.) And General James Jones said we have a chain of command in the National Security Council through Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger and we get our orders from Henry Kissinger every day… well people don’t understand we have a one party system with two branches and it’s all political theater.”
Plus what Teethvillage88s posted in an earlier article:
Bechtel Bought up the Water Rights in Bolivia, they even told people they had to buy the rain water for the most part. They must have started with a water project for some city. They raised the cost of water and started a revolution.
Nestle' is taking water out of one of the Great Lakes for Free. I guess it is considered like mining or drilling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_%28company%29 Suez is one of the world biggest water companies.(French)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veolia_Environnement (French)
The privatize Water Systems as a way to fix city water, but then if they can't raise the costs and the water bill rates, they can always abandon the project and leave the city with huge problems.
https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/209/43398.html Privatization of Water (Water Privatization)
Also another ZHr gave this great link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjc4ywQVHEQ
Dr. Dugegan reveals not just "WHAT" is intended for America and all people in the world, but "HOW" the controllers intend to carry out their plan.
Yes. A really horrible plan is being methodically executed... Too nasty for many to contemplate. Time to stand up. To speak out.
The Bushs own a 50,000 acre ranch in Paraguay supposedly sitting on the biggest aquifer in northern S. America. Having access to that CIA satellite data comes in handy if you're a greedy monster. T.Boone Pickens is said to have control/rights of a huge aquifer spanning from northern Texas to Oklahoma.
You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see where this is going.
That ranch has multiple purposes.(Where's Kenny?)
The US embassy in the capital of Paraguay is something to behold - a walled mini vatican... now I wonder what the private US MIC is upto? (I've never seen such an embassy anywhere!!)
Please get very defensive about water peeps. The lunatics have control lets not consider their actions by our personal standards of sanity.
Yeah, Ken Lay's death was staged as well (Massive heart attack just before he had to report to the pen... riiiiiight). There were reports of Kenny-boy being seen on the The Bush's NAZI Ranch years later..
margin for the developers--same as anywhere--buy the cheapest shit (dollar/acre )you can then madison ave it to a cracker box on a half lot for a quarter mil +---fuck a hollywood, madison ave, fashion, cheap toys, porno, gov't sponsored, pharmaceutical hazed, oil based, hedonistic, narcissistic, money centric life style that is Vegas----
You forgot the part where you then beg the government to shell out billions to build you a fucking lake afterwards, so you get all the advantages of buying all that cheap land (like making a massive profit), while suffering none of the drawbacks (like shelling out billions to make that land not be totally worthless).
Exactly.
Am I missing something?
"Since 2008, contractors have been boring through rock to create a third conduit to draw water from as low as 860 feet."
Let me see if I understand this correctly.
In the event of a severe unprecidented drought situation...rather than taking hyper extreme conservation measures, Las Vegas is making sure they can still drain Lake Mead even further...or, until there is no water at all....buying themselves another two years of fantasy.
No, you're seeing it all, clearly.
Digging holes and ditches creates jobs for the local economy, which means people buy houses, water their lawns, take showers, fill pools....
What could be better?
Forward!
yup, though I suspect the electrical generation was really the big selling point back when the facility was conceived, 80 some odd years later they'll die of thirst with no AC.
forward, to oblivion and this may be where "history" pegs the the start of all this. Once the oblivion part washes away, that is.
I agree it's not a permanent solution but if they take out at 850 feet the supply will last very many years even with minimal rainfall.
not really,
these are valleys they get smaller as they get lower
A drought in Nevada. Whudda thunk?
I like this idea....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Water_and_Power_Alliance
Some background:
http://www.globalwaterintel.com/archive/11/12/analysis/chart-month-lake-...
Money quote:
"Actually, the situation is not as bad as it looks: water will be released from Lake Powell to ensure Lake Mead stays above 1,075ft. But in the longer term, Lake Powell will drain away as well."
Why is Zero Hedge constantly going on about phony problems like Las Vegas water shortage (and peak oil and global warming) that are just recycled MSM crap?
Very true, ob1... but it's still an issue that won't go away with the over-indulgent use of water in the Vegas region.
Maybe hotel room fees will go up 50% just to pay the water bills.
They'll still get suckers to go for it.
Ya, but just the rich suckers.
actually,
I do not think having a temporary fix by using Lake Powell (which will also "drain away")
substantiates your allegations that the Las Vegas water problem is "phony",
nor that "Zero Hedge [is] constantly going on about phony problems like Las Vegas water shortage".
I think a bunch of folks have broken sarc detectors.
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Max? are you saying hes dead or alive?
Before that can be answered we have to figure out if he's still in the box.
No peeking!
Any guesses?
Nah, I'm Uncertain
maniacal laughter
There is no problem that more illegal Mexicans cannot cure.
Absolutely. A boom to the economy. I've been doing more scabies and std testing. Soon the TB lab will be on fire!
Too bad none of it is billable.
Miffed;-)
Good point, I wonder how low the water has to get before it really starts affecting power production and grid availability.
Blame Al Gore.
Damn right. He invented global warming.
Vegas's future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7UjcC6Fvck
Well, the Las Vegans need to just turn to their fossilized, beady eyed, weasle faced senator... he's so smart I'm sure he'll bail them out of this jam..... after all he recently said there were five (5!!!) white men on the Supreme Court....
Reid is an ugly bag of mostly water. Just pop him and Mead will refill.
Hubris and funny money does not trump Nature and basic logic..
Full disclosure:I am long Hopis and Navajos
Tylers calling the bottom again.
Unfortunately, the Tylers are way late on this story.
It has been reported in different outlets for at least 3 days.
Tyler, why are you trying to emmulate other outlets when you were great without this type of reporting.
Do you want to be ZeroHuffpo?
DaddyO
you're both late. "cadillac desert" was written in 1986
they may be late, but they are early. Talk to me when the fountains shut off. Then I will be interested. Show me a bunch of drunk assholes at the Hard Rock screaming "I need water, i'm fucking hung over!!" and I will perk up to this.
True that. Can't the CB's just print some more H2O? If they can't print it, surely they can just buy it and ship it in. I'm sure Harry Reid & co. are already drafting the bill for you and I to pick up the tap at some distant time in the future.
Somebody call Uncle Warren. Get some tanker train cars lined up and ready to fill (I bet he's already awaiting the call).
Tankers are filled with oil. Until water gets up to $100 a barrel, there's no profit in shipping it. Another decade, we'll probably be there.
Two million people in Vegas, but there's 40 million in California. And it don't rain there either.
Buncha pussy's, Fonz.
Any real alcoholic drinks more booze when they're hungover.
Water... pshaw
Nothin' like a steaming hot hungover chick with sticky hair, the shakes and sweats trying to lift a shot glass without spilling it, with both hands no less, at 0830 after not being able to sleep having blacked out about 10 am the prior day. You can tell you got a winner, a life long companion
we had terms for them when I was younger, The ones you found at the end of the night were "driftwood". The ones you ran into the next morning were "debris".
LOL
That's tragic funny
I told you if you post anything that shines a light on the change happening at ZH, you get junked to hell.
DaddyO
I blame Randall Flagg for causing all those idiots to move to the middle of a desert.
Not enough water here for millions of people, fountains, swimming pools, and golf courses? Who coulda node?
http://www.unlv.edu/degree/bs-earth-environmental-science
Hundreds of years from now, when they write the history books, THAT picture is going to be in there and the text underneath it will not be at all flattering regarding how we ran our society into the ground. (Flying cars STILL won't exist, however. In fact, we'll probably be back to horse-drawn carriages.)
Personally, I think golf is a crime against humanity. On the east coast, 18 holes of spoiled ground consumes enough water and fertilizer to supply something like 5,000-10,000 people with basic foodstuffs. In the desert, it must be outrageous. The golf courses have to go, now, before it's too late.
It's a Brave New World.
Yup, I can smell an Executive Order coming right up.
Oh, wait...
Don't be so cynical, need some hope???
Barry is handing it out like candy, sweeten' everyone's life
Not totally true. In some areas, like Florida, golf courses catch rain water for recycling from rain into the ground water or aquafer.
The nightmare is paving shit over and open borders to get the USA population to 500+ million. This is far far worse.
actually, i'd prefer to have a golf course in the neighborhood rather than 5,000-10,000 more neighbors.
i don't care for golf, but, i care for central planning even less.
don't subsidize water, let it be priced on the free market, and let private land owners decide if they want to spend that on a golf course.
What "free" market?
from: teethvillage88s
https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/209/43398.html Privatization of Water (Water Privatization)
https://www.globalpolicy.org/images/pdfs/03bluegold.pdf
Some elite in-bred twit spoke about controlling money and food to control humanity... water is controlled by corporate central planning in the name of a few. Skim through the second link it provides loads of evidence supporting the 'free' market with respect to water access/use in almost every nation and city.
We have central planning for water happening by corporations/foundations/revolving door government officials. The Sierra Club has had a field day with distorting water access and management and propoganda whilst enriching its cronies across the globe.
i see the point of view. not sure, for now. the only way to go back carriage is a total off grid ( no oil -> electrical ) solaar errupt fucking electrical network.. chain nuke...
is solaar panel with batteries are sun-errupt proof ?
Your charge controller isn't so best to have a couple spares.
In a Faraday Cage as well, otherwise they'll all just become door stops.
Like building a nuclear power plant next to a tidal wave machine, building a city in a desert, isn't a long term good idea
Lake Las Vegas is an obscene monument to arrogance and wealth.
Dry up and die.
Epic fail in land planning. Beyond Epic. Phoenix too. All a total joke and a bad one. It can't and won't go on. They will first have to shut down the massive water fountains (what a statement to man's folly), then the golf courses, then start figuring out how to force people to leave.
Vegas was appropriate as a Mafia gambling haven with a permanent population of a few hundred thousand.
Real estate developers and politicians -- worse than any medical plague.
The plague aspires to be as efficient as politicians, bankers, economists...in killing it.
Just print up some money, then you cn buy all the water you need. Do I have to think of everything? It's proven to be the path to prosperity.....
Quite frankly one of ZH's most insightful comments ever. Indeed, why are we not printing money to purchase the badly needed water. We can even get some interest rate swaps on the side, if we do good on those, we can buy even more water for Vegas.
Ha thanks. I was pleasantly surprised that I didn't get a deluge of down arrows from people missing the sarc. And absolutely some interest rate swaps. This idea definitely needs some derivatives action, so all of us 'in the know' can make some money. We will get a AAA rating, maybe get AIG to back it up, we can't lose. And ya, after we makes all that money, maybe we could invest in a hotel/casino somewhere with a booming market that can only go up in value, somewhere like LAS VEGAS!!!
Not just in Vegas Carl. You should see the McMansions in San Diego with all their lush lawns. When I drive through sneighborhoods and see runoff from auto sprinklers dumping into storm drains I feel like having a Hilter moment, lining them all up against a wall and shooting them. We live in a desert too and to have such a cavalier attitude about water is unconscionable. Las Vegas is just the begining.
Miffed;-)
It's actually not a desert but a semi-arid Mediterranean biome. Obviously there remains a giant shortfall in water there as well. Poor planning and the old human failing of believing in endless everything because enough exists at present. Hell, they thought it didn't matter how many bison or quail or whatever were slaughtered because there were so MANY of them in 1850.
I live in the Mountains of Southern Colorado and do my shopping, medical, city shit, in Pueblo. Everytime I pass those Interstate interchanges with all that greenery and watering and maintenance I blow a fuse. For those that don't think stories about water aren't important, come West. Anywhere in the US West not just LV and try talking that around. It is, always has been, and will remain one of the most, if not the most, important topic. Water is life and that aint some kinda shit out of Dune.
LA exists thanks to the giant water transfer projects from distant water sources. I can't imagine the crisis if and when a city the size of LA fall victim to the giant SOuth West drought. A wet stormy El Nino winter is vital for the year 2015 to keep water flowing to the heavily populated LA to San Diego mega city and vast military industrial complex.
Orange County has built a desalinization plant to get water from the ocean. It's a very expensive solution, but other coastal cities in California could do the same. The problem in Las Vegas is that the Colorado River is their only potential source of water. There isn't even any groundwater there.
Paper water?
That's the idea. Create paper water futures contracts out of thin air, dump a few billion "gallons" in the middle of the night during thin trading hours, smashing the price as low as possible, while shorting the shit out of water producers will make water so cheap, all our problems are solved, bitchez....
Carl;
We have an...um..unexpected opening, and we could use some of that thinking around here.
Managing Director position with a fantastic bonus structure, the absolute best life policies available.
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Paper Water. Tick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_trading
Water trading is the process of buying and selling water access entitlements, also often called water rights. The terms of the trade can be either permanent or temporary, depending on the legal status of the water rights. Some of the western states of the United States, Chile, South Africa, Australia and Spain's Canary Islands have water trading schemes. Some consider Australia's to be the most sophisticated and effective in the world
http://water.org/solutions/watercredit/
Why make anything? Call everything and every person a resource and trade on it.
Sea of liquidity - doncha know
I got five on it!
Why bother to buy water -- just print IT.
Why bother to buy water -- just print IT.
Bet they wish tptb had not sold all that water to China...
Move all the illegal mexicans there and burn down the town.
Infrastructure is not a concern when you have a record stock market.
There's no ground water? No wells at all?
Surely there is enough water for a token presence after the lake runs dry...
The drawdown on any supplimental supply wells will quickly put them out of commission. Recharge rate will kill any hopes of any commercial activity.
can we send the folks in Vegas to Central American countries? Maybe the UN will classifiy them as refugees?
My parents lived over 80 miles away from the outskirts of Phoenix, and the water company came knocking on their door attempting to buy water rights for the city. They are pulling it down from everywhere. People here talk about the need to keep the spice flowing. Wait till the water runs out and then see the SHTF.
If the predictions are correct this might be the beginning of the end. Even Harry Reid's tears will not be able to refill lake Mead.
pods
Harry Reid's role is already determined. He will be Lord Geriatric. Timmy Geithner will be the feral bankster boy.
"Even Harry Reid's tears will not be able to refill lake Mead."
Finally! Someplace where John Boehner is actually useful.
I was told on Zero Hedge that the money supply should be finite, but environmental resources such as water, arable land, and clean air are infinite. :-/
You sir, are correct! Infinite resources are a proven fact of the free market. You simply give more money and then more resources magically appear. And since we can print what we need, infinite resources are a fact!
Boy, I'm sure glad CA has so many reservoirs and aqueducts to ferry water to SF & LA, plus southern californians are FAR too smart to live in a desert like those idiots in Nevada ....
{Cue overdue SoCAL earthquake}
/LA = deathtrap
LA is a trap. And the nearest next megalopolis is 8 hours by car (assuming good roads and gas) away in the Bay Area -- and is also nearly a trap. You have to go another 8 hours north of San Fran to get out of the trap, and by then you are out of CA.
How the fuck is all this supposed to work out? I seriously don't get it. Oh yeah, and I live smack in the middle of it all. I still don't get it.
In the novel I'm writing all the Bay Area cities have become walled citadels occupied by the 1%'ers, surrounded by tent cities and roving bands of criminals overseen by crafty bosses. Inside everything is groovy; government provided high-speed rail access in and out, everything paid for by your association dues ($1M per year, bend over fat boy), iPhones for everyone, the whole thing. Except it starts to fall apart when the water very suddenly runs out. Eventually the gates come up and everyone is forced to leave with just the shirt on their back -- right into the arms of the very crafty 99% who have been waiting for the day. Epic lulz ensue.
Sounds interesting! But I think the H2O is going to run out for LA before the high-speed rail (etc.) gets built ... them old aqueducts cross major fault lines (oops). Perhaps the anti-science crowd should move to LA since plate tectonics is all make-believe.
p.s. For those who don't know, LA is in the, er, LA basin ... not too many major roads in or out of a very highly populated area. But hey, at least LA isn't totally dependent on a ginormous fleet of semi's to haul in food and supplies ... no-siree ....
How could I forget after reading Lucifer's Hammer.
Are you implying something about California's superb building codes?
A great novel that anyone who is interested in Sci-Fi/Fantasy (or is it?) should read.
The LA area will run dry/lose electricity before Vegas does. Do you really think they'll just sit there watching the LA water go by while they die of thirst? The Glen Canyon folks will get wise eventually and cut them all off. I can't really understand why they haven't done it already. Why follow some archaic water treaty when rule of law is so degraded?
The further upstream the better on the Colorado river, and LA isn't.
No shit, I live in LA.... 38 years now to be exact. Just returned from Australia and had the chance to visit Melbourne and Brisbane. Some pretty nice foilks over there, thinking about making the move within a year. Hopefully the wheels don't fall off the shitwagon before then.
I'd hurry
Maybe the fucksticks that run LA will pull their heads out of each others fudge tunnels, and desalinate that huge reservoir called the Pacific Ocean. Cost should not be an issue, just raise sales and income taxes again, and again.
Can't -- the desal plant would displace the celebrities' beach houses -- and those people tend to mouth off a bit.
Beach houses smeach houses...
It's the one eyed sand fleas we gotta protect
Australia is vulnerable to droughts and already desalinates much of it's water.
If they didn't have droughts, would they have built those desal plants?
p.s. Yeah, OK -- their situation has gotten worse. I think I failed the ZH sensitivity and empathy test here (darn).
Nope you are off the mark.
Harbanger. Australia is also vulnerable to floods and great interior water ways that we are not allowed to manage.
Desalination was a Flannery fear mongering proved B.S, - we experienced major floods covering a larger land mass than most of Europe, killing that hysteria on any major scale. Its really about the historical attack on dams, pipes and water management (trace Sierra Club, Club of Rome, ICLEI - all interfering here in Australia for decades through various guises). We have had the ingenuity and finance to address this issue for many decades - we're blocked, stopped, privatized, harassed, fined, controlled and manipulated. Its a huge con game, 3 years ago a local desal plant was looking for PR types to pump their stock while another community nearby was trying to reject re-cycled poop water shortly after a flooding event.... meanwhile new and/or improved dams and pipelines are prohibited.
“In Australia, you’ve got all of the systems, the country’s completely mapped, we know exactly where to build all the dams, we’ve known that for a long, long time. The thing that’s stopping that is politics. It’s not science, it’s not technology, it’s not farming, it’s politics.” http://cecaust.com.au/pubs/pdfs/peter-davis-conf.pdfCool! Let me know when you publish it. Sounds like a good read.
A preview can be had in the stories here:
http://madscienceunlimited.com/fiction/
will you also have the Snake Plissken for "Scape from San Francisco"?
Hell yeah. Except he's a girl and her name is Diamond Darkatana and she's half tiger and she eats people. Seriously, just guts them and eats them over a few days, like any other tiger would. Freaks everyone out, like honey badger she don't care. And I have a curvy little demon named Fortran who thinks she's an angel -- has the halo and everything so nobody actually argues it -- who sets people on fire though she's really sweet about it and always prays after. And death is a character named -- er, death -- kinda strange girl with a scythe who thinks she's still harvesting wheat back home, hasn't noticed it's been 120,000 years since the harvest started, and that the fields are full of the dead.
It's a riot. A laugh a minute, let me tell you. Three women pretty much destroying the world (and sometimes, each other) and still making time for coffee down at Starbucks.
Needs ninjas. Ninja's cool and when I say cool i mean totally sweet. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time. I heard that there was this ninja who was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon the ninja killed the whole town.
time for a pipeline..
Yep pipe some melting polar ice cap water in from the north pole. put in on our tab. somebody will eventually pay for it.
From where?
From the goddamn Pacific Ocean you liberal meathead. Those goddamn camel jockies are drinking ocean water, who do think built THAT? Wasn't the camel jockies, THAT'S for goddamn sure, it was one of our corporations. We could do same goddamn thing here! Hell, we could fill the entire goddamn state up their eyeballs in goddamn fresh water if the anti-growth environment-wachos weren't running everything down there. What do you think!! Don't build, don't build, no water, no water. And NOW look at what they've done. Goddamn environmentist, ruined this goddamn country!!
No, from the largest river in North America by volume, the Mighty Columbia! Dumps over 265,000 cu ft/s into the Pacific Ocean. California has brougth the idea of buying some from us for years, but so far, we ain't selling. Of course, you might have to do some clean up with it having flowed right through the Hanford site, but hell, it can't compare with the hot particles coming out of Fukishima. No worries. But if it has taken since 2008 and to drill a new straw for Mead, I gotta wonder how long it would take (and how much $$) to put a pipe into S. Cal.
Pound,
SoCal has been on the pipe since..um..like..forever ...dude.
Mississippi River: 593,000 cu ft/sec discharge rate
Screw that. Let San Fran build the mother-of -all desalinization plants, then let DC legislate that Cali pump it uphill, at no cost, to water the desert.
I was going to wish some rain on them, but all those people living in the storm drainage structures under the city would be screwed.
Green shoots!
Oh wait ... hmmm.
A sprawling city in the middle of a desert is having water issues?
I was there and the fountains and pools were all full, green lawns and golf courses everywhere, so I don't know what the problem is.
I haven't been there since 2008.
What's the point without the Bellagio fountains anyway?
Goddamn liberals caused this. Stop building, stop building, is all these goddamn pansies can think of. Well, it was building that created Las Vegas, and building is what made this goddamn country what it is today, and if we'd have built 2 or 3 more Hover Dams on the Colorado River we'd have all the goddamn water we could use for hundreds of years. All this was caused by the goddamn anti-growth eco-pansies, that's what's wrong with this goddamn country.
I offer no solutions.
I just point out problems.
Just an empire in decline.
Yeah. Who wudda thought?
Craig
LOL
It's a fucking dessert for Pete's sake. WTF did they think might happen at some point?
Las Vegas is screwed because you can't get a drink at the games for love nor money.
Man made global warming. Raise taxes. Right fucking now!
Naw... man made babies. Too many damned people trying to live in a place where nobody in their right mind would live, but for the vanishing lake.
Vegas minus Lake Mead = desert.
Craig
No motherucker. Man made globle warming.
Humans heat the earth. We do that. Humans control the climate.
Fuck Yea! 'murica.
Is it too cold? Let's drive our cars and heat it the fuck up.
Humans are so fucking powerful. I love it! Fuck YEaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
Sun 0 - Humans 100000000000000000000000. We're fucking awe-the-fucksome. I love being human, it's like being god but better because humans control the weather! FUCK YEEEEEEAAAAHHHH!!!!!
If we painted the entire state of Nevada white...how much heat could we save? Could we get carbon credits for the paint job?
No. Did you listen bitch? We control the climate. Just tax it. Tax carbon and hydrogen and helium and water. Tax the fuck out of water that shit is used too much. Tax it until you choke on your own breath.
Obama will take the tax money and control the climate.
This is only commonsense.
I'll take red
I see
Yum'my!
Let them drink beer.
Let them drink their own piss. Looks beer-y enough.
isn't that chart the labor participation rate?