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The Polar Vortex Is Back... In The Middle Of July

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While every single economist and "straight to CNBC" pundit was quick to blast the atrocious economic performance in Q1 as solely due to the "harsh weather", what has emerged in various retail earnings reports so far in Q2 is that, drumroll, they lied. In fact, as one after another "stunned" retailer admits, the depressed spending observed during Q1 continued, if not deteriorated even further, in the second quarter. Which means only one thing, the same thing we said back in January: as a result of Obamacare, the declining credit impulse resulting from the Fed's tapering, and a ongoing contraction in global trade as the world slides back into recession, the US economy is on the verge of stalling and may well enter into a tailspin if one or more exogenous events take place in a centrally-planned world that is priced to perfection.

To be sure, one of the potential scapegoats we highlighted previously was the replacement of the polar vortex with what we dubbed the "solar vortex", ala El Nino, which as we further reported, has already been blamed in advance by the Bank of Japan for a spending collapse set to take place in the second half of 2014, the year when the Japanese economy now almost certainly re-enters recession.

But just to make sure that the abysmal Q1 GDP which has now spilled over into Q2 and will likely see the US economy growing in the mid-2% range, has a sufficiently broad "excuse" in the third quarter of the year, here comes - in the middle of July - the polar vortex 2.0.  As WaPo reports, "However you choose to refer to the looming weather pattern, unseasonably chilly air is headed for parts of the northern and northeastern U.S at the height of summer early next week."

(WeatherBell.com, adapted by CWG)

Bearing a haunting resemblance to January’s brutally cold weather pattern, a deep pool of cool air from the Gulf of Alaska will plunge into the Great Lakes early next week and then ooze towards the East Coast.

6-10 day outlook from National Weather Service Climate Prediction Center

The atmospheric impact will not be nearly as dramatic, but still temperatures are forecast to be roughly 10 to as much as 30 degrees below average.

Temperature anomalies (or difference from normal) Tuesday midday from European model (WeatherBell.com)

This means that in parts of the Great Lakes and Upper Midwest getting dealt the chilliest air, highs in this region could well get stuck in the 50s and 60s – especially where there is considerable cloud cover.

GFS model forecast highs Tuesday (WeatherBell.com)

 

And focusing on next week specifically, "Wednesday morning’s lows may drop into the  40s over a large part of the central U.S."

 GFS model forecast lows Wednesday morning (WeatherBell.com)

 

Highs may struggle to reach 80 in D.C. next Tuesday and Wednesday with widespread lows in the 50s (even 40s in the mountains).

GFS model 7-day forecast (WeatherBell.com)

More from WaPo:

What’s behind this unusual winter weather pattern primed for the dog days of summer?  A lot of it is simply chance (randomness), but Weather Underground’s meteorologist Jeff Masters says Japan’s typhoon Neoguri is playing a role in the pattern’s evolving configuration:

….the large and powerful nature of this storm has set in motion a chain-reaction set of events that will dramatically alter the path of the jet stream and affect weather patterns across the entire Northern Hemisphere next week. Neoguri will cause an acceleration of the North Pacific jet stream, causing a large amount of warm, moist tropical air to push over the North Pacific. This will amplify a trough low pressure over Alaska, causing a ripple effect in the jet stream over western North America, where a strong ridge of high pressure will develop, and over the Midwestern U.S., where a strong trough of low pressure will form.

What amazes me most about the pattern is not so much the forecast temperatures, but the uncanny similarities in the weather patterns over North America seen in both the heart of winter and heart of summer. All of the same features (refer to the map at the top of this post)  apparent in January are on the map in mid-July: low pressure over the Aleutians (blue shading), a large hot ridge (yellow and red shading) over the western U.S., the huge cold low or vortex over the Great Lakes (blue and green shading), and then the ridge over northeast Canada (yellow and red shading).

 

It’s not at all clear what this means or what, if anything, it portends.  Weather patterns cycling through a certain circulation regime can repeat (and we’ve seen this pattern multiple times since November-December), but with El Nino forecast to develop, the global configuration of weather systems is likely to change.

So the question is: just how profound of an adverse impact on Q3 GDP (because remember: weather anomalies are never additive to GDP; only wars can do that in a Keynesian world) will the second, summertime coming of polar vortex have on the US economy? Judging by the laughable farce that the economic profession has devolved to, desperately seeking to "explain away" any deviation from a priced to perfection growth rate, if only that of the Fed's balance sheet, not to mention why its forecasts are always wrong we are likely to find out very soon.

 

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Thu, 07/10/2014 - 19:59 | 4945572 Dublinmick
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Thanks TYler lets get it rolling! :)

 

 

 

 

How this subject is obscured in most forms of media gives us an idea of how serious the subject really is. 

Just because Algore was an idiot does not negate obvious global warming and more precisely climate change. Yes Al and his mob do want a carbon tax which can do absolutely nothing to stop it. Man made warming is only about 1% of the problem. The entire universe is heating up and that includes the core of the earth. You may see at times ice buildup up on the poles however the ocean is becoming warmer and eating away the ice pack from down below. It is more obvious in the Arctic but happening in Antarctica also as glaciers feed into the sea miles under the ocean. That is why we have rising sea levels. And yes they are rising, Norfolk Virginia is close to collapse as high tides now cover the roads, same in south Florida.


In fact many scientists conclude the nuclear testing around the world has caused further cracks in the earth mantle allowing lava to move closer to the surface on land and under the oceans which is accelerating the heating of the planet.


http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Thawing_Permafrost_The_speed_of_coasta...
Watch out for the zombies, most of them think nothing is happening


http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flas...
 
http://thiscantbehappening.net/node/2117
 
http://phys.org/news/2013-08-earth-mantle-contributes-greenland-ice.html

http://phys.org/tags/antarctic+ice+sheets/

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2012/04/10/solar-maximum-ramps-up-earth-catac...

It came from beneath the sea!
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/04/antarctic-ice-melting-bel...
 
The results are based on 4.5 million measurements made by a laser instrument mounted on NASA’s now defunct ICESat satellite between 2003 and 2008, which mapped the thickness of most floating ice shelves around Antarctica. The results:


    •    Of 54 ice shelves mapped, 20 are being melted by warm ocean currents, most of those in West Antarctica.
    •    In all cases the inland glaciers that flow down to the coast and feed into these thinning ice shelves have accelerated, draining more ice into the sea and contributing to sea-level rise.


Miami Going Under The Waves And Nobody Will Offer A Reason


http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/17/3695685/rain-or-no-rain-beachfront...


Core samples, tide gauge readings, and, most recently, satellite measurements tell us that over the past century, the Global Mean Sea Level (GMSL) has risen by 4 to 8 inches (10 to 20 centimeters). However, the annual rate of rise over the past 20 years has been 0.13 inches (3.2 millimeters) a year, roughly twice the average speed of the preceding 80 years.


http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-sea-level-rise...


http://www.odu.edu//research/initiatives/ccslri#sthash.UAumoVKW.dpuf http://www.odu.edu//research/initiatives/

ccslri Climate Change, Climate Change, Video, Climate Change Norfolk Va, Global Sea Level,Norfolk, Norfolk Va, Norfolk Va Sea Level, Norfolk Virginia Climate Change, Norfolk Virginia Sea Level, Norfolk Virginia Sea Level Rise, Norfolk-Virginia, Sea Level Rise,Green News


Sea level has already risen about 8 inches along Florida’s coast and is having profound effects, according to the letter. “Because Florida is so densely populated,” the letter states, “it is estimated 40 percent of the population and housing units at risk from sea level rise in the nation are here, in the state of Florida.”


http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/florida-sea-level-rise-letter-0...
 
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-06-20/news/fl-sea-level-florida-20...
 
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/russia-seeks-draw-lines-melting-ar...
 
Mass methane release appears to be picking up speed by the day in the Arctic as well as countless other locations around the globe.
Dane Wigington
geoengineeringwatch.org


The atmospheric methane graphic below, released yesterday, should be a stark wake up call for any that understand the ramifications.
 
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/mass-methane-release-accelerating/
 
There should be enough information here a child could understand.


Russia is not building up forces in the arctic because it is more difficult to reach, far from it, the ice is melting and they wish to be in a position to exploit the almost unlimited minerals of the area. The shipping lanes are also enlarging where passage is possible almost year round.

It would be much warmer now if not for the core of the earth heating up. The unprecedented level of volcanos going off lately emit debri into the atmosphere which acts as a cooling agent. That in effect could cause a mini ice age. It is more complicated than people realize. They claim Yellowstone could throw out enough to blacken the skies over a large part of America. But there are many super volcanos which could do the same. Laach See in Germany, the Plegian Fields in Italy, Popo in Mexico, Rainier etc.
The ice age and giving the lie to Algore that so many want could be a possibility.

Are you saying the Germans and Russians are in on it also?
AWI geographer Frank Gunther, who investigates the causes of the coastal breakdown in Eastern Siberia together with German and Russian colleagues, and who has published his findings in two scientific articles.


In these studies, he and his team evaluated high resolution air and satellite photos from 1951 to 2012 as well as measurements of the past four years. In addition, the researchers surveyed four coastal sections along the Laptev Sea (see map) and on the island of Muostakh.


http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Thawing_Permafrost_The_speed_of_coasta...


I am saying the ocean rising and threatening Florida, Norfolk Virgina and many other places. I am not seeing any explanation for that here. All I see yammering and bullshit and comments that do not address the issue and try to dodge what most people can see with their own eyes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/islands-threatened-by-climate-change-2012...
 
102, 697 people relocated off Kiribati due to ..... you guessed it, rising oceans that are covering the island.
 
The Maldives 325,00 leaving. This is not that hard Bocephus
The Miami spring tide that floods streets which used to be secure is getting worse and worse every year whether it rains or not.Poor Moses had to grab a bug out bag.


http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/10/20/2806631/miami-herald-floodin...


With the numerous and extraordinary astrological events taking place in April, the oft-predicted destiny of HUGE Earth changes can no longer be denied. It is now a matter of when , not if. The simple physics that undergird the political, economic and social spheres of life now dictate that real planetary transformation is on the way.


http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=13


Surely the spate of earthquakes and volcanoes has reflected the renewed will of Mother Earth to start rocking’ and rollin’. There has never been such a concentration of major earthquakes as we have already seen this year. The Ring of Fire in particular has awakened from its slumber. And there is every indication, according numerous volcanologists and seismologists around the world, that such seismic and volcanic activity will only intensify.


As the current Solar Maximum continues to unfold, such earth movements are all but guaranteed. Unfortunately, few within the scientific establishment have acknowledged the true correlations between solar activity and cataclysmic earth movements. Perhaps 2014 will remove all remaining doubt as the anticipated earth cataclysms begin in earnest. Simply put, Mother Earth will be heard, and not just paid lip service as is so often done on the annual April 22nd EARTH DAY.


Regardless of what the immediate future holds in store for the world, April 2014 is set to release a variety of astrological triggers having far-reaching ramifications and great consequences. Even an armchair astrologer can plainly see the celestial setup which will generate corresponding events everywhere across the planet, not just throughout the entire Middle East, the Ukraine, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Thailand, Myanmar, the Central African Republic, Sudan, Libya, Chad, etc., which we see on the evening news.
Of course, the Global Economic and Financial Control Matrix is especially vulnerable to the predicted calamities throughout that and other interconnected realms. This is where the raw financial and economics physics graphically illustrate fast approaching breaking points. The blatant suppression of the price of gold is a stark example of where the market controllers can no longer maintain the false illusion of order. All the forces of the marketplace

— both real and artificially fabricated — are now working at cross purposes with such intensity that “the man behind the curtain” will be exposed once and for all."


Of course their global climate convention will propose more drastic controls, cap and trade, carbon tax etc. That is the game. Down deep they love climate change and realize there is nothing they can do about it. However like I said earlier, it doesn't mean climate change is not happening. It only takes the ability to read to see this.
If they were serious about it, cars made in Germany that get 200 MPG would be sold in America. They cannot however so how serious are they really? No they are only serious about control.


None of this however explains why islanders are having to move due to rising oceans. This is not political, arbitrary or debateable. The water is washing over their feet.
There is a certain percentage that will deny anything if it affects their portfolio, perception of political reality or the programmed neuron pathways that were developed in grammar school. I am becoming convinced that if Algore stated crack and meth were not good for you, a certain amount of Americans and posters here woiuld immediately begin smoking it.


https://feww.wordpress.com/
http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2014/06/poll-shows-70-percent-of-austral...
http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2014/06/friends-of-science-with-friends-...

But then, these “friends” of science are flat-out refusniks when it comes to global warming science; they deny the Earth is warming, they deny modern temperatures are spiking upward, they deny carbon dioxide is the main driver of global warming, they deny sea level rise is a problem, they deny deny deny. Perusing their website is fascinating; it could be used as a wiki set up specifically to collect all the ridiculous long-debunked anti-science denial claptrap in one place. I mean, c’mon, they even promote Christopher Monckton with a straight face!


None of this is terribly surprising, though, seeing as how they’re funded by—can you guess? Can you?—the fossil fuel industry.


http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2014/06/on-north-carolinas-outer-banks-d...

North Carolina's outer banks beaten eaten away by rising seas and climate change. So much so the state has banned talking about it

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2014/06/drought-threatens-grazing-on-us-...

154 million acres of grazing land threatened by drought on the Snake River Plain.

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2014/06/parched-new-dust-bowl-forms-in.h...

The Oklahoma dust bowl. Inhofe says climate change is not real, so the dust bowl may not be real either.

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2014/06/fewer-polar-bear-cubs-are-being-...

Ny-Ålesund, Svalbard (theguardian.com) – The proportion of polar bear females around the Arctic islands of Svalbard who gave birth to cubs crashed to just 10% in 2014, according to a small scientific survey of the animals. It follows a series of warm years and poor sea ice.


The Barents Sea population of a few thousand polar bears is one of the biggest in the world. But global warming is rapidly reducing the extent of sea ice on which the bears hunt seals, their main food.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:01 | 4945579 New_Meat
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even more settled science ;-)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:07 | 4945602 knukles
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Synopsys:  Fuck Al Gore and the Global Warming he Invented

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:17 | 4945653 Manthong
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So is this much more recent NOAA data all BS?

 

Computer models confounded as Antarctic sea ice hits new record high...
Global warming computer models confounded as Antarctic sea ice hits new record high with 2.1million square miles more than is usual for time of year

Government Data Show USA in Decade-Long Cooling...  The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s most accurate, up-to-date temperature data confirm the United States has been cooling for at least the past decade. The NOAA temperature data are driving a stake through the heart of alarmists claiming accelerating global warming. No longer will global warming alarmists be able to hide behind thinly veiled excuses to doctor the U.S. temperature record. Now, thanks to the USCRN, the data are what the data are. Expect global warming alarmists, now and for the foreseeable future, to howl in desperation claiming the USCRN temperature data are irrelevant. Of course, to global warming alarmists, all real-world data are irrelevant

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:22 | 4945676 nmewn
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Most models are dingbats ;-)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:26 | 4945703 knukles
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Thank you, manthong

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:42 | 4945753 BKbroiler
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what has emerged in various retail earnings reports so far in Q2 is that, drumroll, they lied.

The sarcastic memes just keep coming... "drumroll, they lied" is a new classic, +1

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:11 | 4945850 mjcOH1
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" You may see at times ice buildup up on the poles however the ocean is becoming warmer and eating away the ice pack from down below."

 

Absolutely.

Warmer than normal?  That's global warming!  Colder than normal?   That's global warming too!   Wetter than normal.....global warming.   Dryer than normal....global warming.    Completely average......you guessed it......global warming.

Any excuse serves a tyrant.  

Any data suits a ideologue

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 01:45 | 4946389 dogbreath
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Dublinmick =  Flakzuki

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:32 | 4947181 BiggerInJapan
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Another of those climate change mabo jambo...

$> sarcasm off

$> learn Spanish or Portuguese and move to Argentina Brazil... OMFG!

 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:53 | 4946721 redd_green
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Don't forget:

- not enough fish in the ocean?  Global warming.

- Too many jellyfish in the ocean? Global warming.

- Eaten up by cancer from pesticides and factory farming? Global warming.

and it goes on and on ...

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:41 | 4945750 Skateboarder
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Breaking news: Man's imagination runs wild!

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:52 | 4945786 nmewn
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lol...no doubt.

"The Miami spring tide that floods streets which used to be secure is getting worse and worse every year whether it rains or not."

Let that little glittering jewel of colossal ignorance sink in for a minute. I lived in Homestead when I was kid almost fifty years ago, its a feature, not an aberration.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:10 | 4945848 AlaricBalth
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Homestead? Your little league football team at Homestead AFB kicked my ass when I quarterbacked our South Miami team almost 46 years ago. One kid actually tried to gouge my eye out after one of many sacks. I'm still looking for that little sucker.
;-)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:24 | 4945892 nmewn
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It wasn't me, you can't prove it!!!

(I was too busy blaming the falling coconuts for the broken windshields instead of my baseball...lol)

Small world ;-)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:02 | 4945816 Osmium
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"Some scientists have suggested the Antarctic ice increase may itself be caused by global warming."

 

WTF?

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:12 | 4945856 nmewn
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Its a treasure trove of glittering jewels isn't it?...lol.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:20 | 4945671 AlaricBalth
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Al Gore has made about $100 million since leaving office by talking his book and getting his cronies in DC to fund his personal projects, while at the same time constantly jetting around the world leaving a carbon footprint that makes the smog in Beijing seem like a light mist.

Fourteen green-tech firms in which Gore invested received or directly benefited from more than $2.5 billion in loans, grants and tax breaks, part of President Obama’s historic push to seed a U.S. renewable-energy industry with public money.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:26 | 4945698 Manthong
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LOL.. but I think even one Algore fart makes the smog in Beijing seem like a light mist.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:34 | 4945916 junction
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In a 2001 Secrets Of The Dead documentary series episode, one scientist links the drop in worldwide temperature in 535 A.D. (caused by a superplinian eruption on Krakatau) to an outbreak of plague in Byzantium that severely weakened the eastern Roman Empire and changed world history. Hundreds of thousands died in and around Byzantium at the time of Justinian.   Cold and rainy weather promotes the spread of the plague.  Which do you prefer, global warming or a return of massive plague outbreaks?  Well, Mr. Gore, speak up!  

--- 

Secrets Of The Dead (S01E01) Catastrophe! PBS.15May2001

1110
01:09:09,778 --> 01:09:15,282
            Clark:            
     WELL, PLAGUE EPIDEMICS    
    ARE TEMPERATURE RELATED.   

1111
01:09:15,350 --> 01:09:20,021
        WHAT HAPPENS IS        
  THAT IN THE GUT OF THE FLEA  

1112
01:09:20,088 --> 01:09:23,290
  THE FIBRIN CLOT ONLY FORMS     
        AT TEMPERATURES        

1113
01:09:23,358 --> 01:09:25,559
  BELOW 25 DEGREES CENTIGRADE. 

1114
01:09:25,627 --> 01:09:29,496
  ABOVE 25 DEGREES CENTIGRADE, 
     THE CLOT DOESN'T FORM     

1115
01:09:29,564 --> 01:09:33,233
   AND ANY BACILLUS IS SIMPLY     
     PASSED OUT OF THE FLEA    

1116
01:09:33,301 --> 01:09:34,434
        WITH THE FECES.        

1117
01:09:36,138 --> 01:09:39,606
            Scheider:              
  SO COOLER TEMPERATURES ALLOW 
    THE BACTERIA TO FLOURISH   

1118
01:09:39,675 --> 01:09:41,809
          AND THERE IS         
    NEW SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE    

1119
01:09:41,877 --> 01:09:46,080
    THAT COOLER TEMPERATURES   
 ALSO INCREASE RAT POPULATIONS.

1120
01:09:54,222 --> 01:09:55,589
          IN COLORADO          

1121
01:09:55,657 --> 01:09:58,993
    SCIENTISTS ARE DETAILING   
 THE CLIMATE/PLAGUE CONNECTION.

1122
01:09:59,061 --> 01:10:01,595
     THEY EXAMINED 30 YEARS    
     OF CLIMATE RECORDS         

1123
01:10:01,663 --> 01:10:04,631
     AND PLAGUE INFECTIONS     
   IN THE AMERICAN SOUTHWEST.     

1124
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:08,368
THEIR WORK SHOWS THAT COOL     
WEATHER AND ADDITIONAL RAINFALL

1125
01:10:08,436 --> 01:10:11,772
    SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED    
 THE PREVALENCE OF THE PLAGUE.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 09:03 | 4946740 redd_green
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Re

"1125
01:10:08,436 --> 01:10:11,772
    SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED    
 THE PREVALENCE OF THE PLAGUE."

 

what's wrong with plague?   Reduced unemployment and all.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:42 | 4945940 Miffed Microbio...
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After all that ill gotten gains it stands to reason he'd be pretty pissed off he couldn't get a happy ending after his massage.

Miffed;-)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 23:35 | 4946199 DaddyO
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Seems to me he did just that, got bent out of shape and had a run in with the masseuse and she sued him for harassment.

I think the term was crazed sex poodle...

Article

DaddyO

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:55 | 4946724 redd_green
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Not only his personal projects. Big banks and hedge funds aching to get their hands on all that carbon tax money are funding his little propaganda machine as well.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:04 | 4945827 ugmug
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I live in Buffalo, NY and you'd think we would have more sense than to believe all the global warming fairytales..... Think again!

This place is neck deep in liberal stupidity and all the local news outlets, including the Buffalo News, preach that all snow shovels will eventually become a historical relic useful only in shoveling out the bugs in the La Brea tar pits of unshaven liberal woman.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:37 | 4945928 junction
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The Warren Buffet owned Buffalo News where staff are barred from making personal calls even on their own cell phones, according to an earlier posting here.  What a two-faced lowlife Buffet is.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:52 | 4945966 Manthong
Thu, 07/10/2014 - 22:16 | 4946029 Tall Tom
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Another fuckin' Arizona State University Lesbian...

 

It is just like their former Governor and DHS Head Janet Napalitano.

 

The Sun bakes people's brains out there. She is fuckin' Brain Damaged.

 

Thren the men are asked to shave their entire bodies from the neck down for 10 weeks... for "Extra Credit"

 

She probably looks at the women's armpits and gets really wet in the crotch while doing it. Someone has to grade it.

 

They need to fire that perverted thing.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:16 | 4945649 Da Yooper
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Let me see if I have this right

 

we

 

are now blaming a shitty economy ( given to us by obama & his bankers ) 

 

on the weather

 

Next you are going to tell me Al Ga-Whore invented the internet.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:29 | 4945708 knukles
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No.
He invented man made global warming, which he claims to have not invented, the lie of which was unmasked by the Internet, which he calims to have invented

Karma

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:39 | 4945744 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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All Gore never invented anything. But thanks to his family's ownership of Occidental Petroleum he got into the right school and blew the right fraternity brothers to get into politics. 

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:25 | 4945693 Redneck Hippy
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"many scientists conclude the nuclear testing around the world has caused further cracks in the earth mantle allowing lava to move closer to the surface on land and under the oceans which is accelerating the heating of the planet."

I saw that movie too.  Scary as shit.  But I can't remember how it ended.


Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:38 | 4945742 CCanuck
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 Many scientists conlude....

Best guess science so convincing...the muppets love it.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:31 | 4945873 Dick Buttkiss
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I'm coughing — from a laughing fit — on that one.

Here's a little history (in case you haven't seen it) on this pernicious nonsense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:02 | 4945820 Manthong
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“But I can't remember how it ended.”

The people were all enslaved by despotic elites and then it all sank to the bottom of the ocean.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:09 | 4945594 Jlasoon
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This damn post is longer than the original text posted by Tyler.

That must be 123,567 typed words per minute. Took 2 minutes to post.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:14 | 4945644 Dublinmick
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I don't fuck around!

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:26 | 4945894 Lore
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Actually, that's PRECISELY what you do -- COPIOUSLY.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:15 | 4945645 Dublinmick
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I don't fuck around!

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:18 | 4945657 konputa
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Fuck you mick.  Neither does anyone else in Fight Club. Dick head.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:45 | 4945756 Ness.
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How many times a day do you c/p that same shit?  OCD.  Whatever.  Even though I don't know you, if you were sitting next to me right now!? I got a feeling I'd punch you in the throat.  

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Edit - that post was intended for the mick

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:04 | 4945826 Yen Cross
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 U-fuk-in?  mick-dub-lin.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:07 | 4945596 NoDebt
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OK, two comments:

1.  Typed all that into your browser in under 4 minutes, huh, mister "I've been here since almost May"?

2.  Get your own fucking blog.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:10 | 4945616 AlaricBalth
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His own blog is from where dublinsmick reposted this from.

http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/climate-change-is-one-of-the...

Don't click the link though, it will only encourage him.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:20 | 4945664 NoDebt
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In that case I owe him an apology.  I am sorry for telling you to get your own fucking blog, dublinsmick.

I amend my second comment with the following:  stop posting your fucking blog on somebody else's blog.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:16 | 4945648 Dublinmick
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"Get your own fucking blog."

 

I have one asshole, this fight club, put on your chin strap

https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/climate-change-is-one-of-th...

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:20 | 4945670 surf0766
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Fuck off

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:43 | 4945757 CCanuck
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I came into the thread to see flak take his beatn'

ok...lets watch mick take it...fuck I LOVE FIGHT CLUB!

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 22:24 | 4946051 Tall Tom
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FlakFRAU is a WOMAN.

 

Do you understand that yet?

 

Where is she at? Is she using one of her other accounts? She has multiples.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 22:56 | 4946124 CCanuck
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Him..Her... what difference does it make at this point.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:22 | 4945680 NoDebt
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First off, I DID apologize for that comment.  It was uncalled-for and factually incorrect.

Second, you don't want a piece of me.  I could beat you with body shots alone.  I don't even need to touch your pretty face.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:34 | 4945732 nmewn
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So clearly the thing to do (like Al Gore) was to quickly copy & paste your bullshit to a popular media outlet (ZH), in the hopes of getting traffic to enter your unused rabbit hole and possibly popularize or enrich yourself?

Fucking well done Al...lol.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:18 | 4945661 Da Yooper
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He has a bad case of internet keyboard diarrhea

 

Most likely terminal

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 22:30 | 4946068 Dublinmick
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If course let us submit to zion

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:12 | 4945629 SuperRay
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People down arrowed you because they don't like your message, not because the message isn't true. It's all true. More complicated than that simple minded dung pile al gore.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:42 | 4945752 Matt
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No, he got down arrowed for copy-paste spamming an entire article from another blog, instead of just posting a comment and linking to the blog article for those interested.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:55 | 4945783 Grande Tetons
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Include a picture of a nice rack...and hey...all is forgotten. 

Bla bla bla bla....TITS!!!!!!

http://aff002.infototive.com/categories/sports/hotest-female-football-fa...

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:00 | 4945809 nmewn
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I was leaning that way with "models" only being as good as the effort put into being an excellent one but then it got all serious ;-)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:03 | 4945825 Grande Tetons
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The dialogue is more cordial when the ice is broken with a pair of knockers. 

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:27 | 4945898 nmewn
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Yeah but for some reason everyone starts talking about the knockers.

What was the topic again? ;-)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:35 | 4945919 Grande Tetons
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Polar tits? Tit vortex? I forgot. 

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:12 | 4945630 Tasty Sandwich
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The world is probably just some sort of illusion anyway.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:22 | 4945675 Manthong
Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:24 | 4945685 knukles
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It is.  And not probably.  That it is an illusion is the conclusion subsequent to the collapse of the S curve, probability wave functions, for consciousness is illusory by its very nature. 
The universe itself may well be (best described and thus highest probability of being) conscious.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:30 | 4945712 Manthong
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Particle or wave?

To observe or not to observe.. that is the question.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:52 | 4945781 knukles
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LOL

One of my buds out here is a retired physicist.  We chit chat about this stuff once in a while.  The other day we were exploring that very topic.. particle or wave.  Conclusion (highly philosophical, of course) is that while it may be neither, it probably is more, but so far nobody has "tested" for additional properties, etc., etc., etc.  Thus the particle v wave conundrum is likely incomplete.  (LOL, likely as in probability waves, get the joke)  I have so much fun with folks like that.  Fascinating exploring the realm of science where philosophy and spirituality finally interact.  (Spirituality as in both boo-hoo oddities, like spookiness at a distance, Bell's Theorem and derivatives as well as the ultimate consciousness and the universe leading to creation considerations.  So stimulating.)

Many thanks Manthong, many thanks

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:17 | 4945843 Manthong
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You are quite welcome.

And speaking of incomplete…

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/

one of my favorite short reads…

http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/at/godel.htm 

.. but I wonder where Marxists are coming from publishing a paper purporting phenomenology.   ??

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:40 | 4945913 Lore
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Only on ZH do you find a chitchat thread about Goedel. Love it. LOL

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:49 | 4945959 nmewn
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And Kant but I can't ;-)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 22:05 | 4945998 Yen Cross
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 I've read, heard, partially digested, this story knuks.

   New material crew on Knuks sweeping . Report to area * caugh* caugh* Chinese guys castle.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:13 | 4945631 konputa
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Wow, Dublinmick. You wrote all of that in 4 minutes flat, not including the time it took to read the article?

I live in coastal central Florida, I've yet to see the water level change let alone see roads covered in water. What I do see is 100s of yards of sand that one has to cross before hitting the water at high tide.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:19 | 4945667 Dublinmick
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I live in Florida also and St. Augustine Beach used to stretch out for 150 yards. Now the breakers are washing away buildings on low tide youngster

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:29 | 4945709 NOTaREALmerican
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It's just sand,  sand moves and the kids put it in those buckets and take it north.   Use your goddamn head, commie! 

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:11 | 4945855 Dublinmick
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Hava Nigila

Throw that glass bitch

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:31 | 4945716 konputa
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And that can't possibly be caused by erosion or land that is sinking, is that it? 

Water has a tendency to find the path of least resistance.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:08 | 4945838 nmewn
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I've lived in Florida all my life and beach is a relative term "youngster".

They spent how many millions pumping sand back onto the beach, did they construct any jetties or would that be unsightly?

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:13 | 4945637 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  In fact many scientists conclude the nuclear testing around the world has caused further cracks in the earth mantle allowing lava to move closer to the surface on land and under the oceans which is accelerating the heating of the planet.

I like this concept.  Kinda like the movie, but no big crack just lots of small ones.    Plus, it's a good "out" for the people who need to convert from "global-warming is not real" to "global-warming is not man-made so there's nothing we can do about it"  to the "global warming is real and we've got to do something about it because the trrsss will win".  

I'm thinking grout.   A new US sponsored plan to grout the earth back together again and STOP global warming.   Big-Grout. 

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:33 | 4945724 Manthong
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You obviously have equity in an international grout conglomerate.

My positions  are all in junior hydraulic cement shares.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:27 | 4945896 sonoftx
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Now that is funny!!!!

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:13 | 4945638 zaphod42
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Thanks for some really uninformed opinion.  " Man made warming is only about 1% of the problem. The entire universe is heating up and that includes the core of the earth."  Both are entirely wrong.  The universe is cooling if anything,following the laws of thermodynamics {increased entropy}.  Man made warming is considered a very large part of the problem.  The impact of CO2 as a greenhouse gas is well known and not debated - exept perhaps by a few persons looking for confirmation bias anywhere they might find it.  

Al Gore was well informed on the topic.  And he gave good advice in his documentary and in his several books on the subject.  The problem with Al is that he is, like so many of us, a complete hypocrite.  He does not "walk the walk."  Hell, he hardly crawls it.  Just like the east coast environmentalists who are all for off-shore wind power if only it does not happen to be off their shore. LOL. 

We are conducting a possibly lethal experiment on the only planet we can presently survive on, and for the sake of money we are making stupid arguments, intentionally distorting facts, and bathering about as though, if we have sufficient money we can survive that sort of stupidity.  Just because science does not EVER state that "x" is a "fact," does not mean that they do not say that all of the credible evidence shows "x" to be true, with a very high liklelihood of truth.  

No doubt a few deniers will make their insane comments following this.  I can only hope that they are alive when their chickens come home to roost, and that they are made to pay in some meaningful way for their criminal behavior.

Craig

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:24 | 4945681 Jack Burton
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Gee Craig. That took courage on this forum! You are about to be swept away in an anti science discourse that will fully blow your mind! I mean it, they will tell you only fools would even work a physics equation. Instead they will tell you about a carbon tax and socialism. As if many ZH readers aren't smart enough to know science, economics and history. Most avoid this subject because the bully attacks can be quite fantastic in their level of sheer insanity.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:27 | 4945702 NOTaREALmerican
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It's damn entertaining tho!  

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:31 | 4945714 NoDebt
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I down-arrowed him just to keep him honest.

We'll kill ourselves off with something much more lethal long before CO2 and global warming get us.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:14 | 4945863 malek
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 increased entropy as the cause of global cooling

Yeah sure, over several billion years you will be proven right on that one - you know, after the sun burns out.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:19 | 4945666 Jack Burton
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Dubious at best. I won't say what it might be , at worst. Obviously the earth radiates heat from the core and mantel. This is measured and averaged to give a certain global average number. I have not seen any rise in that figure.

I do agree the Oceans are warming, they are warming very much, and now a lot of that heat has gone into deep ocean levels. Sadly for the mantal theory, all of the oceans heating is accounted for in the equations if the amount of solar heat not radiated back to space but retained in earth systems is added. By far, well over 90% of global warming heating due to CO2 in the atmosphere goes straight into the oceans. That is basic physics, ocean water much denser than air, potential to hold much more heat.

Ocean warming is the real face of global warming. This can and often IS released into the atmosphere. That is what an El Nino would do in the east Pacific, release much warmth into the atmosphere, this in turn would produce another set of record high global average temperatures. Sooner or later the last 15 years of ocean warming will begin to get released to raise air temperatures. Also, melting ice absorbs much heat in the process, so the more glaciers and sea ice melt, that produces a side effect of temporary reduced air warming.

But it is one system, and if all the numbers are added up, the heat is only going up. And carbon tax is not sufficent of a red herring to prevent physics from working it's magic.

The numbers are in and the result is Global Warming and most of it man made by breaking the earth's normal slow carbon cycle and returning fossil carbon back to the atmopshere. The physics actually are quite simple, High School kids could understand and run many of the proofs.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:24 | 4945690 NOTaREALmerican
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Bah,  I'm leaving for the day - so don't have time to argue with you, but the cracking mantle is the best theory out there.   And we've got the means to STOP it, but only if we fund a new Big-Grout program with the SAME urgency we used to stop those Godless Commies after W.W.2.  

Big-Grout will also be a boon to growth, and will create millions of high paying jobs needed to discover planitary grouting technology.  I convinced we can do this, all of us, together as a nation.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:32 | 4945719 Redneck Hippy
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Let's just freeze the ground so the lava and heat won't come out.  It's working well in Fukushima, is what I hear.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:04 | 4945829 Alananda
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Mr. Burton, you who uses beautiful women as avatars, how do you factor in -- if you do -- aerosol spraying in the atmosphere, geoengineering, etc?  If you don't,. then why not?  Goldilocks, I feel sure, and I would like to know.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:28 | 4945707 Ghostdog
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Couldnt put it on the internet if it wasnt true.....

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:36 | 4945739 Kassandra
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Well, I don't know what's going on but it's been fucking HOT here in the pacific northwest and no relief in sight.
We're not used to this shit. Talked to the local vineyard guy and they are planting warmer weather grapes, because the stuff they planted 25 years ago isn't going to make it in this type of chronic summer heat.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:55 | 4945792 knukles
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Oh, quit prophesying

(joke)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:59 | 4945987 Alvin Fernald
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Yes temps been up lately. A lot. I have experienced more 100f+ days in the last 5 years than in the first 38 years of my life. All in the PacNW. The really hot days lately have been before summer even started. This summer heat so far is about 4 or 5 weeks early.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 22:25 | 4946054 TheMeatTrapper
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I live in Birmingham, AL. I am 51 years old. I have many, many pictures from my childhood where there is snow on the ground. These days snow is a rarity. 

I do not believe in climate change, I believe in environment change. 

When it's 100 degrees outside with 90% humidity, I can go to the Sipsey River Wilderness area where there is still virgin timber. I hike into the deep forest and it's refreshingly cool. It's comfortable and you can even get chilled at night. 

Outside the wilderness area back in the concrete jungle - it's unbearably hot. It's uninhabitable without central AC. 

I don't think cars have changed the climate, I think turning a continent of virgin forest into concrete jungles and pine tree farms have ruined our environment. 

I believe in environment change - not climate change.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 22:30 | 4946070 FredFlintstone
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Interesting. Thanks for the insight. When I am up in a plane I see farmland forever. Not much paved as a percent, but a lot of trees have been cut to make way for crops.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:56 | 4945794 vulcanraven
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It's lile the 8th wonder of the world...

"The Great Wall of Text"

 

 

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:08 | 4945841 fishmonger
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TL;DR

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:10 | 4945851 dogbreath
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Oh Fuck Off and get your own blog.   Tl;Dr

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:23 | 4945881 sonoftx
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Way, way, too many rabbits to chase in Dublinboys post that lead nowhere; not to mention the animism that is so vogue today among propagandists. No global warming for 16 years and yet it's all due to global warming or climate change or "Mother Nature" fighting back. About fifteen years ago I really wanted to know about global warming so I did a lot of research. It's hogshit; it's just another fear control mechanism. I have always smelled a rat with this because it has always reminded me of two things (mostly due to the histrionics-see above- and the complete lack of scientific curiosity). The first thing it always reminds me of is the former church calling anyone who didn't agree with them heretics and killing or silencing them in any way possible. The second thing it reminds me of is a book called the "Mismeasure of Man". Great book, seminal book for me that has applications to many many things. It is a good and educational read. I won't spoil it by telling you what they mismeasured. Mr. Dublin has no logic and I am not sure why he would ever come here to post. Time for another beer.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:31 | 4945900 Van Halen
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Relax, climate change alarmists.

Cold weather in summer has a history...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

 

Oh, and who wants to be this cold weather alarm turns out to be a total dud. Like the hurricane last week. And the hurricane predictions. And the endless tornadoes that never arrived. And the winter that would never end. And the food riots that were imminent. And the cities underwater any moment now. And the...

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 22:13 | 4946025 Dublinmick
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I never said truth was good for Stawks

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 23:19 | 4946158 Pablo Escobar
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God, please give me the patience to deal with stupid above. Globull warming! See it's getting colder which proves global warming!

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 19:59 | 4945575 New_Meat
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Yo, flak-duuuuude, how 'bout this shit?

- Ned

{after all, this is settled science}

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:00 | 4945576 Jlasoon
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Q2 GDP excuse in 3......2.........1. It's the weather!!!!!!!

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:45 | 4945767 Freedumb
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NEWS BULLETIN

QE5: In response to unprecedented catastrophic market weather conditions, the Fed will be acquiring $40 bil in space heaters and propane heating lamps per month, which will alleviate pressure on markets and boost consumption -- until improved conditions warrant a change in policy

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:00 | 4945577 Frankie Carbone
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The Global Warming Scammers didn't think of this stuff beforehand so they morphed the concept into "Climate Change". 

Stay tuned though. We might see a rehash of the Global Cooling Crisis of the 70's on the cover of Time next week. 

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:03 | 4945588 New_Meat
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yep, and unfortunately for their "cause" Carl Sagan of the "Billions and Billions of Cosmic Stuff" fame won't be around to be the anti-nuclear (read US needs to give up on its military) campaign.

- Ned

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:09 | 4945615 NoDebt
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Carl Sagan would be thrown from the crazy train for not being extreme enough these days.  He was damned near scientific and even-handed compared to the preprogrammed agenda-bots we have now.  Example: check out the top-kick poster in this thread.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:15 | 4945646 knukles
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And he was scary radical way back when.

"Billions and Billions of Stars"...
What an asinine idea....

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:13 | 4945636 knukles
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I remember serious investment committee meetings from the early 70's where global cooling was discussed, weighed and considered as to the investment framework.  Just sayin' I remember that.  And some of the same characters back then were young whippersnappers are now at the IPCC, etc.
Just sayin'
And most of the new cutting edge Quantum Mechanic types are more taken with the cosmic interactions between the sun and earth than anything man made.  They're more taken with an electronic universe as well.  Founded upon the general and Relative Theories, but far surpass those in terms of explanations and descriptions of "reality" (Whatever that may be, as a Quantum "Mechanic" would say)

Step right up, getchur quantum packets here, no waiting, immediate delivery...

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:53 | 4945784 Matt
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If the CO2 wearming happens and the ocean circulation halts, there will be cooling at the poles and warming at the equator, possibly leaving only a pair of narrow habitable bands inbetween.

Of course, we could also be entering into a prolonged solar minimum, so the planet may be drier and cooler for the next century or three.

At anytime, a mega-volcano could go off and send us into an ice age. Or a previously-unseen asteroid could wipe out most or all life on Earth.

A solar flare could disrupt the power grid, leading to dozens of spent fuel ponds melting down, turning the planet into a radioactive wasteland.

The plastic and radiation in the Pacific could kill off the plankton, turning the Earth into a low-oxygen environment devoid of complex life, although earthworms and cochroaches would probably be fine.

On top of all that, we could have a pandemic or Global Thermonuclear war. Hope this brightens someone's day. 

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:59 | 4945804 knukles
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Damn right.
Didn't get better overnight or with that Austin speech now, did it?

Best tune into CNBS real quick.

Watch...
Now the declining forecasts for Q2 GDP gonna be from expected cold weather.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:37 | 4945927 MEAN BUSINESS
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Ok, those young whippersnappers you once knew are now pushing, what, 70 yo? OK, then with 45 years more science and data at their finger tips, what are these old foggies telling ya? Just askin'.

There was a 70-ish yo dude at the AR5 WG2 press release 31MAR14. He showed up a few minutes late but did have a thing to say. Do you recognize him?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 05:47 | 4946515 Frankie Carbone
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Listen, Do me a favor and don't throw an IPCC website in my face for me to dig through all the BS to find that point that someone else is trying to make that you are trying to parrot. Either a.) give me a direct link and state "yeah, this is my opinion too!" (or if you are THAT lazy, just reply "What he said!!!!") and make the effort brief for me, or better yet, argue your OWN opinion instead of passing on the sermon of a High Priest. 

By the way in terms of science and the scientific process, I happen to know a thing or two about a thing or two, considering that I ran a state of the art laboratory for overy a decade and have personally set up and performed dozens of experiments. How about we go mono-y-mono on this topic with the following rules: a.) no Ad Hominen, b.) no Appeal to Authority, c.) No Appeal to Popularity, d.) No Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc, e.) no accusations of being "a denier", which is actually requirement (a), and a classic example of intellectual vapidity, and f.) no throwing websites or studies in my face without being able to personally debate the details of the methods used, data collected, and understanding and discussions of alternative hypothesis', particularly those excluded from the studies. Fair enough? 

The first argument that I would like to throw into the woodchipper is the Hockey Stick curve. That argument is so assine and so readily flawed even at face value that it is a litmus test for sub 85 IQ testing, yet a lot of folks from the Church of Climate Change are eager to toss it out as their first adopted belief.

Ready? 

 

 

 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:18 | 4946660 dizzyfingers
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Agree. More, more!!

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 18:20 | 4948530 Frankie Carbone
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Apparently when you call out someone from the Church of Gaia they shit themselves and run away. 

Good thing too. I'd have crushed him like a gnat. When you actually do science for years and years, and have tons of failures (along with a success here and there - that's the whole point), you learn to figure out the flaws in your own work pretty well. Even easier with someone else's work because you lack the cognitive bias that hides flaws that are in plain site. 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 20:15 | 4948813 MEAN BUSINESS
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I agree that it can be frustrating when ZH fails to employ a simple notifier informing the commentarians that a reply was made to our comments. Perhaps Tyler will listen to you. In the absence of that simple device, it is customary in civil society that 24 hours is allowed to wait for an answer and here at ZH, given it's global nature, a grace period is generally accepted on top of the 24 hours. I understand Frankie Carbone, I've felt that frustration too but I was kinda new...

Listen, thanks for the offer but unfortunately you're a generation too late. I had those debates with libertarians and engineers long ago and sadly had to accept defeat. They were making good arguements and I couldn't deny that perhaps more study was required, perhaps it was just a scam to tax everyone, nobody agreed with the computer models, it would take thousands of years like these always do, etc etc etc. I'm talking about the debate as it was 15 years before An Inconvenient Truth, can you dig that?

No Frankie, I've moved on to talking about what is going to go down in Paris in December 2015. I'm sad you found the IPCC media portal page too complicated to locate the WG2 press release video so I'll assume you won't EVER watch the press release but I'm not tasked with dishing up sound bites on demand. Regardless, try to bear in mind that the Assessment Report is what policymakers will be using as a basis for their meeting in Paris, not ZH comments be they good, bad,... or ugly!

Let's touch base on Halloween this year when the WG4 synthesis report is released. Just in case you're spurred to listen, you can give me the name of the 70ish yo man at the WG2 press release and a brief description of what he said to demonstrate your sincere interest in debating this topic. For bonus marks please summarize World Meteorological Organization (co-sponser of the IPCC) Secretary General Dr. Michell Jarraud's comments on 1) the pause 2) the depth of current knowledge and 3) the task in Paris.

Again, please observe and respect the date/time stamp (hint it's a 24 hour clock)

p.s. "we're just musicians...(slight return..."

 

I didn't mean to take you up all your sweet time
I'll give it right back to you one of these days
I said, I didn't mean to take you up all your sweet time
I'll give it right back to you one of these days
And if I don't meet you no more in this world
Then I'll, I'll meet you in the next one
And don't be late, don't be late
'Cause I'm a voodoo child
Lord knows I'm a voodoo child
I'm a voodoo child

 

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:02 | 4945581 Cattender
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shit.. we're Fucked! thanks a lot Bush.. JEEZZZUZZZZ!!!!

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 22:31 | 4946073 angel_of_joy
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You're fucked, and Bush has nothing to do with it...

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:02 | 4945587 Groundhog Day
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so I reduced their conditioning bill can affect my spending habits negatively

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:07 | 4945591 Yen Cross
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  Polar Vortex< AKA> Mexican Border.

 

  Now all that pent-up demand from Q-1 can be unleashed on San Ysidro?

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:06 | 4945598 NOTaREALmerican
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Hey,  that's great.  Could we get the GDP shown in the same format?   (Oh,  and a really hot GDP-person to explain things).  

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:08 | 4945603 Unknown Poster
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Less bug dope sold, GDP crash.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:09 | 4945613 world_debt_slave
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jihad from the North

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:09 | 4945614 just-my-opinion
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Sorry...it is just....frickin hot.....just north of houston

It might rain....you know...that humidity thing

 

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:10 | 4945620 Moe Hamhead
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I grew up in the middle of the purple (B) on the NOAA map above.  The ground was called "glacial till", which meant that the glacier that covered the area left a pile of rubble when it retreated. I often wondered how the place could have been covered with a stack of ice, and was glad it wasn't when I lived there.  It also left a lot of nice lakes!  Global warming has been around for a long, long time.  And it was a good thing---in my mind.  So, don't give me all the crap about the sky is falling, it's just a bunch of "chicken (-little)" shit!

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:16 | 4945650 just-my-opinion
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My Chickens Died....the end is near...8^)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:07 | 4945840 Dublinmick
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You are right moe, everything is going to always stay the same ..... where you from boy .... oh thats right Texas

Don't mess with Texas because it is already uckked up enough

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:22 | 4945623 kill switch
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This is not a right /////left fucking play game....It's real and I went on a quest to find the person who had no fucking ax to grind,,,Guy MaCpherson walking away from empire,,,fuck al gore this man is real...

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy0pli8E9ic

 

Who on this site knows about the Clathrate Gun????

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:58 | 4945800 Matt
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If that's real, we're probably already doomed. Oh well. Only solution then is to set up a bunch of aluminized Mylar at Earth-Sun LP2 to reduce sunlight a few percent.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:55 | 4945977 homiegot
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We're doomed. Stop worrying about it. A reset is a good thing if it's really coming.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:13 | 4945624 kurt
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Don't be fooled. This is an experiment by the scientist elite, fossils as they are, sure they shut down "haarpe" but they sure-in-the-hell distributed it with hundreds of more effiecient networked antenna arrays doing a much better job of Darpa's "Own the Weather" program. 

Fuck your tomatoes! We're doing science. Shut the fuck up or we'll Ebola you! You can't possibly know how advanced we are, you worms! Your next! You will worship us.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:11 | 4945627 Yen Cross
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  LMFOA! My Jalapeno & Habanero pepper plants are sucking water like 2$ whores. (growing 1/2" a day)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:14 | 4945628 Squid Viscous
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silver lining: maybe the negroes in Chicago will be less prone to "gun violence" with this unusual mid-summer cold snap?

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:18 | 4945660 Jackagain
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Naaaaaa....

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:13 | 4945640 nmewn
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"The atmospheric impact will not be nearly as dramatic, but still temperatures are forecast to be roughly 10 to as much as 30 degrees below average."

lol...manmade global warming/cooling/windy/calm/wet/dry, in July no less.

(Rolls eyes)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:13 | 4945641 Big Corked Boots
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Nunavut is beautiful this time of year.

(nahh, I dunno. I don't get outta jersey much.)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:17 | 4945651 Cobra
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This is very bullish for 4 wheeling & trout fishing up my way (NH).

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:18 | 4945658 Jackagain
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A strong El Nino event is in store right now and it means a cool summer in the east and a mild winter.

http://unofficialnetworks.com/2014-2015-el-nio-winter-snow-predictions-noaa-130875/

If any of you are long NG, get out tomorrow.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:22 | 4945683 Little Boomer
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So we save on AC and heating! I'm in.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:26 | 4945697 knukles
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I feel a great disturbance to the force

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:37 | 4945738 Dublinmick
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I feel a great disturbance to the force

That is good knukles, that is what we are working for.

These down voters .... I am going to tell Sauron they are the owners of the ring.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:59 | 4945808 BobTheSlob
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I feel a disturbance in the farce.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:18 | 4945874 Yen Cross
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   "Those beans, those beans"---

  " Those beans keep-a-calling"---

  "Those beans, just keep me -a-calling"

   "Those beans, those gosh darn beans- kept me an alcoholin".

  "The next morning,  those beans were still there" ( I had nothing to wear/where?)

 I layed out my suit, stepped into the coach.

 " Driver said where's your approach?

   I was just checking my shorts weren't soaked."     ~Minutes of Bilderberg~

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 21:52 | 4945969 BobTheSlob
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Reminds me of that "It was a Shart" song from Donny Baker. Google it, it's a hoot!

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 22:08 | 4946011 Yen Cross
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   Oldie but smoldie.  ;-)

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:31 | 4945715 surf0766
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It was cool last spring and summer in PA also. Just like this year. I don't remember having a warm winter.

It is the weather. It changes. No one knows, no one controls it. Just sit back, relax and take it as it happens.

Thu, 07/10/2014 - 20:24 | 4945688 Dublinmick
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Hey I admit it, I saved this link with the possibility that Tyler might go polar vortex. I just happened over here at the correct time. 

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!