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US Responds To China "Global Disaster" Threat By Boosting Military Presence In China's Back Yard
Just when we thought US foreign policy couldn't sink to new lows, it does just that. Recall yesterday's less than veiled threat by China president Xi Jinping Xi called for greater military communication with the U.S., adding that "A conflict between China and United States will definitely be a disaster for the two countries and the world. As long as we uphold mutual respect, maintain strategic patience and remain unperturbed by individual incidents and comments, we’ll be able to keep relations on a firm footing despite ups and downs that may come our way.” So what does the US do? Nothing short of taking a machete and poking the Dragon in the mouth.
According to the FT, the US is developing new military tactics to deter China’s slow but steady territorial advances in the South China Sea, including more aggressive use of surveillance aircraft and naval operations near contested areas. “Our efforts to deter China [in the South China Sea] have clearly not worked,” said a senior US official.
In other words, the US is doing precisely what China warned not to do, and what according to the Chinese president would lead to "disaster for the two countries." Because clearly there is nothing a superpower in decline wants to do more than to antagonize its ascendent replacement, and all the other countries like Russia, France and Germany that are gravitating toward its power.
Apparently, the "rethink" comes in the wake of the series of low-level incursions China has used to shift the status quo in one of the vital waterways of the global economy.
So how will the US "escalate" its presence in China without doing its usual bull in a, pardon the pun, China shop routine? That appears to be the problem:
The challenge for the US military is to find tactics to deter these small-scale Chinese moves without escalating particular disputes into a broader military conflict. Every year, $5,300bn of goods cross the South China Sea by ship.
The growing tensions in the South China Sea, which include disputes between China and Vietnam and the Philippines, cast a shadow over the annual meeting between senior US and Chinese officials, known as the Strategic and Economic Dialogue, which started in Beijing on Wednesday.
The US delegation, led by secretary of state John Kerry and Treasury secretary Jack Lew, face the delicate task of trying to shore up an increasingly fragile relationship with Beijing, while laying out American concerns about Chinese maritime expansionism and cyber theft. For their part, the Chinese are irked by US moves to prosecute Chinese military officials over alleged cyber-hacking and by American alliances in Asia which Beijing views as a form of containment.
Apparently the lightbulb moment came when the US "hinted" to China that it has drones. Because China didn't know that already.
One element of the emerging US strategy was evident in March when the US flew P-8A surveillance planes over the Second Thomas Shoal, an uninhabited atoll in the South China Sea. Chinese ships there were trying to prevent the Philippines from supplying marines who were trying to get essential supplies to a ship that in 1999 was deliberately run aground on a land-feature claimed by both countries. The US planes flew at low altitude to make sure they were visible to the Chinese.
“This is a new dynamic,” said a former Pentagon official familiar with the operation. “The message is, ‘we know what you are doing, your actions will have consequences and that we have the capacity and the will and we are here’.”
A spokesman for the US military’s Pacific Command said that “we do routine operations in these waters and airspace on a regular basis”.
More extensive use of surveillance aircraft in the region could be coupled with a greater willingness to publicise images or videos of Chinese maritime activity. Some US officials believe the Chinese might be given pause for thought if images of their vessels harassing Vietnamese or Filipino fishermen were to be broadcast.
Really? That's what some US officials think? It never crossed their minds that China actually would love to have its expansive ambitions publicized for the whole world to see, in what following Russia's annexation of Crimea is nothing short of clear defiance of a hegemon that virtually everyone is now mocking - from Russia to France to Germany, and of course, China.
In the meantime, as if it was possible, more humiliation is coming Obama's way:
The Obama administration declared South China Sea a US “national interest” in 2010. Since then it has watched China take effective control in 2012 of Scarborough Shoal, 120 nautical miles west of the Philippines’ main island, Luzon. As well as the altercation at the Second Thomas Shoal this year, Manila has accused Beijing of reclaiming land for a runway in a disputed area while China has also placed an oil rig in waters also claimed by Vietnam. Despite Chinese complaints, the US has long conducted aerial surveillance in the region, although the use of its new generation of P-8A planes in contested areas represents an intensification of the activity.
At least one person is not an idiot:
Bonnie Glaser, an Asia expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said that the surveillance flights showed that the US “has an interest in peaceful resolution of these disputes and opposes China’s coercion”. However, she added: “I’m sceptical such flights will deter Chinese behaviour.”
Good, because they won't. If anything, next China will declare Baja California a "national interest" and start flying its own suerveillance drones over the US. It would be very curious to see just how the US responds to that particular inevitable escalation.
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Yeah, enough of this "we" shit. Collectivism fogs the brain.
The US bully at it again trying to start another war. That's all it is good for and even then all it achieves is a lot of dead people on its own side as well and doesn't solve a thing.
It does all sorts of things if youre a psychopath globalist:
- futher destroy the nation that had been a thorn in the side since 1776 with their notion that the common man's life is his own (though America has wandered so far from that original path, that there is little of that notion operating there now). In helping to destroy America, you help to discredit her founding principles.
- create a conflict so terrible that the serfs around the world will come begging for a global 'peaceful new world order'. (Out of WW1 came the League of Nations. Out of WW2 came the UN. Out of WW3 can come the NWO and global government.) Of course, this is the 'peace' of a prison cell.
- kill off lots of 'useless eaters' from both sides.
- make lots of money. War is a high profit bizness (for some people)
Just guessing but death toll is not part of the equation. We are under the control of a full throttle leftist government, and leftists NEVER worry about death toll!
Of course they are not bothered about dead bodies on either side. After all they are never the ones in the front line, or even the back line! No, they are the ones moving the pawns about on the war theatre board 'game'
War is part of life. But war for what? More factories, more latest smartphones, more supermarket junk food, more drugs trade, more monsanto? That's just war to reach more darkness and hell.
When the only hegemon in this world goes down, it will take a lot of the world down with it. Unluckily for China, they seem to have been chosen for this honor.
What grades did Obama or Jarret get in affirmative diplomacy, affirmative military tactics and affirmative thinking? Will Obama depend on Kerry's inherited diplomatic skills? Which god will protect and instruct Obama? Who trusts Obama with the trigger in China or the US?
We have an affirmative action 3 year old riding a tricycle as leader of the free world, what could possibly go wrong?
Crazy mo fo's in charge over here....the .gov has gone rouge big time....get out while the gettin is still good
Because we all what a Utopia the world will become once China establishes dominance in Asia {and later, the world}. Just ask the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam what good neighbors they are. Not trying to be a cheerleader for the US, but all the China worship here is ignorant.
I don't get the China rah rah fest either. Historically, they are a brutal lot. Just look at Mao, he had no issues with murdering 70 million of his own citizens. I guess the idea that "ya can't fix stupid" is spot on.
Don't confuse the distaste of the U.S being the police force of the world for China worship.
Agreed, but also don't confuse a little chest pounding in sailboats as policing. The Chinamen will make the rubes at the DHS look like pikers!
My point is that China won't be a kinder, gentler world cop {probably worse}. It is what they are going after you know.
Yes the Chinese are ruthless, but there is something to be said for having a strong defense to check China's power that doesn't impose it's will on the world.
China doesn't have a history of being overseas focused or imperialistic. Theyve tended to focus within and in their own back yard. But then again, this was also true of the US up to the 1890s.
If you try to look at things from a Chinese (and Russian) viewpoint, it can be argued that their moves are defensive in the face of a US hegemon that is becoming increasingly desperate economically and aggressive around the world. 'Gun boat diplomacy' seems to be the go-to US strategy when it comes to maintaining the fiat dollar as world reserve currency. Like the British empire before them, it seems that the US ruling class will not actually free up their own citizenry to become more competitive economically in the world. This would also threaten their own priviledged positions in the US., so instead there is rigged crony 'capitialism' and schools designed to dumb down the population rather than encourage creativity and independence. When the Brit ruling class had bled their people and industry dry and Germany was a technological & economic threat, their ruling class took them into WW1.
US spending on the military far exceeds that of any other nation on earth (and is equivalent to the next dozen nations or so combined). Its likely a bit premature to declare China as the up & coming world cop. Global power will probably be more diverse than what took place after WW2 and after the fall of the USSR.
I don't think it's China-love. There is the school of thought that some nation must be top dog policeman or tyrant of the entire world, and if the US isn't it, Russia or China or some nation will fill the void. It doesn't have to happen that way. If the US got smart and backed off while we were still a strong country and cleaned up our economic mess at home, we could still carry a big stick to help keep the peace, not create chaos. I fear it won't happen that way. China is flexing it's muscles because it can now. It's their neighborhood. Down with the State! Chinese, Russian, Mexican and American. Down with them all. I hope that will happen.
President Obama plays the part of Br'er Rabbit. Appropriately, some drawings of Br'er Rabbit show him with his sleeves rolled up as he gets to work punching the Tar-Baby.
From Wik Pedia:
"The Tar-Baby is a fictional character in the second of the Uncle Remus stories published in 1881; it is a doll made of tar and turpentine used to entrap Br'er Rabbit. The more that Br'er Rabbit fights the Tar-Baby, the more entangled he becomes."
Too bad there was never a Br'er Jackass, Zero would have been a shoe-in!
#pleasecontinuetobuyustresuries.
SOS signal
Message in the bottle
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MbXWrmQW-OE
Fucking idiots are out of control.
I ain't a really sharp elite political type but I don't think you want to poke the Chinese in the eye with a sharp stick!
Not really. We need to restore the 1913 theft of America. My wife is Asian, a hardcore capitalism fan.
Go fuck yourself. We will bring prosperity back into this country.
People like you are why tyranny cannot win. Why humans will one day out last those who seek to keep us sheltered and weak.
They cannot win. But they can kick down our sandcastles.
asian chicks for the win!
Well that's our "Stick your dick in a hornets nest" foreign policy at work.
The US people are held hostage while our government slings feces at eveyone in the world like a monkey with an attitude problem.
Nice imagery!
Then there is this; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html
Here's the deal, if the Chinese attacked a carrier, and they probably could sink it if they wanted to, then that would escalate to war. A war with the USA is a very, very bad idea. Very bad. Just a quick answer to that would a tactial strike on the Three Gorges Dam. That would keep them very busy for awhile watching half of their citizens starve to death in dark, submerged cities.
Come on you fearful little drama queen. Use your head.
If someone, China attacked the Fort Peck Dam it would take out 5 other dams on the Mississippi and along with close to a dozen plants forming American Fukushimas. What about a nuke on Yelllowstone or Mount Rainier. Nobody bothers to explain this to Americans because we are exceptional. Hopalong Cassidy or Super man will always save the day.
A nuke setting off the Madrid could be seen from space because millions of bridges run across it, gas lines, fuel lines, water lines. The bridges transport American food to keep the 3 day food supply in the stores. Last time it went in 1817 the Mississippi ran backwards, nobody knows which direction it would take with another eruption. There would also be no shipping up and down the Mississippi. The refineries in Texas and Louisiana would be washed away. I don't know where exceptional joethegorilla gets his food but Americans would not have any. Sane people do not want a nuclear war.
There is also a set of locks east of Chicago built by some idiot industralist years ago. They allow shipping from he Great Lakes down the Chicago River as now ships can pass through a two mile sandstone barrier which separates the Great Lake system from the Mississippi River (in an earthquake prone area, New Madrid) Now the engineers are worried trying to figure out why the currents in the Chicago River are beginning to flow backwards. If this lock system went for whatever reason, design or attack the Great Lakes would flow down the Mississippi River.(Cayce predicts just that by the way)
Every country has nightmare possibilities in the event of a nuclear war. It is just the exceptionalists or out an out demonic war mongers are too stupid to figure it out.
We are at a point in history where a world war won't just be fought on sombody else's country.
Most countries have sense enough to realize global war would not be good. That is why the diplomacy is taking place just like it was mentioned concerning China. Just like as Russia is holding back in the Ukraine. However gorillas are incapable of understanding that.
Dated 7 yrs ago.
Please.
You think it's easy getting WWIII started?
Just think what it would do for the economy /sarc.
Yes; its stopping it that will be the problem.
Queue music: I'm proud to be an American...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBbBfrKsVqY
There's something demonic happening in DC.
DC is merely a reflection of We the Sheeple when we look into the mirror. Nobody in particular, just the government that we collectively deserve.
Not even Obama could be this crazy, so I agree - some darker force is at work moving these things around.
We need Agent 86 to look into it because I think KAOS has taken control.
Max could clear this all up in a week.
Would you believe..... two weeks?
Would you believe..... two weeks and a hole in the space/time continuum?
put barbara feldon on the case...
Indeed gringo it's called "brit milah" and such!:-)
Don't fear China. They still haven’t caught on to our sleeper agent, GM. (Corporations ARE people).
China will not challenge us militarily outside the range of their land based aircraft - until they finish the newly designed aircraft carriers and submarines they are currently building. After that...
Aircraft carriers are no match for the newer missles that come in at Mach 10. I don't see the Chinese worrying about a shortage of ACs if they had to act. And our aging fleet of F-18s will not be replaced anytime soon by the highly outmatched F-35s that were recently grounded but are still sucking up a huge portion of the available budget for replacement aircraft. But I think you're right about the theater they'll operate in.
I wonder if Obama could write an executive order to rename the East China Sea and South China Sea to the East and South USA Seas.
marine son in law just back for 4 month training in northern Australia. I think there is new military base opening and being built there soon. just saying,,,,
Takes a lot of gas to sail ships and planes down there. China is the biggest customer for what Australia has to sell. Its only a matter of time before Australia becomes a client state of China.
Yea right. Never happen. How many Australians do you know?
Joe in case of war, if you don't have your ticket to the underground base, you are shit out of luck. That is whre the elite are going. Are you going with them?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_pinegap08.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/pinegap.htm
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/pine_gap_base.htm
Australian base has been there for years. Back in the 90s the Australians (unofficially) offered us residence there. We could have shifted Marines off Okinawa back then to there. Playing catch up now.
Obamas executive orders "Half of you men are going to fight in Iraq, half of you in China, half of you in Ukrain, half of you....o wait" (mumbling while counting on his fingers, one half plus another half plus........
"Hey, Michelle, didn't you tell me to reinstate the draft?"
And another thing!
What happened to the security dolphins Bush outfitted with lasers?
The former Ukrainian dolphins that switched over to the Russians in Crimea went over and recruited them I am afraid. Of course nobody really knows, Fukushima radiation the pacific may have killed them all by now.
btw people china is currently dredging / reclaiming land for five? new islands in the spratly's. each island is much much bigger than an aircraft carrier
It should be eminently clear that the US government in no way represents the will of the US people.
The people do not want war. The people have no argument with others in this world. The US people want freedom from oppression, government inflicted diseases, conflict, drugging, mind control, propaganda, false flags and constant surveillance ... however:
1. The US government antagonizes Iran by attacking its industrial computer systems, assassinating its scientists and putting aircraft carriers on its doorsteps
2. The US government antagonizes Russia by overthrowing the government of one of its closes neighbors in the Ukraine and then using the newly installed puppet government to attack Russian interests in the Ukraine
3. The US government creates and engages in both global spying and also global cyber warfare on people and countries that are supposed to our friends and trading partners
4. The US government changes its nuclear policy from one of restraint/MAD to one of "pre-emptive strike is on the table"
5. The US government has weaponized space and created weapons shields in direct contradiction to signed treaties
6. The US government overthrows the non-BIS tied countries of Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Libya and continually antagonizes other non-BIS tied countries, inbcluding Syria, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea.
7. Now the US government is antagonizing China by attempting to escalate the militarization in the oceans around China
Unfortunately the US people are good, trusting and essentially powerless to use good acts to counter the evil that has infested the US government. Without turning to the evil acts that the government itself uses the US people can only and over a longer period of time deny its support.
There is no such thing as a superpower in decline that has an armed citizenry, holds 70,000 nuclear warheads and has the finest precision delivery system in the world. Especially when the adversary is aged, overpopulated, and cannot feed itself. What we have a is a really incompetent president and that is temporary. Let's try not to be so hysterical.
Good points Joe. What's also true is that the US is a superpower in decline.
Been hearing that since Vietnam. Once China's economy blows up, and it will, the order wll be restored and all this nonsense about China leading the world will finally come to an end.
We will see. I do not have the conviction you do about the certainty of the outcome. I only say what I do about the US decline because the US is living so far beyond its means. Just doing the math means we will likely not be able to sustain much longer the projection of military power. Not that China will necessarily take over.
(I did not down-vote you btw. All comments from thinking folks are worthy of consideration)
"China Thinks it Can Defeat America in Battle"
http://theweek.com/article/index/264032/china-thinks-it-can-defeat-ameri...
Get your facts correct. The P-8A aircraft is not a "drone" as you state. It is a military version of a Boeing 737.
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/defense-space/military/p8a/
I think they fly those things out of Moffett. Good for ferreting out those 70 Chinese submarines.
Hope it don't come to that though.
"China Thinks it Can Defeat America in Battle"
http://theweek.com/article/index/264032/china-thinks-it-can-defeat-ameri...
No trade with China. Start making shit here again. Tolerate the interim shortages. Screw Walmart. Mixicans back to Mexico. etc.
That's not feasible, re-tooling USA for manufacturing. We've moved to 'Stock Shelves with Chinese Product' and hope like hell consumers get out and buy it'. Oh, and selling our cool bombs and war toyz. Perhaps, for awhile longer, software that hasn't yet been hacked. Windows, iOS and WalMart are our new bread 'n butter.
Otherwise, we're out of bidness.
From the looks of things I think the Chinese have studied B.F. Skinner and are applying his principles to their "relations" with the US. Bell rings, dog acts in absolutely predictable ways. After enough trials you don't even need the bell.
Our idiot politicians are being trained to respond in predictable ways. And like most idiots, they don't have a clue that they are being played. They actually think that they are in control.
Have to disagree, the politicians know exactly what is going on, they know they need knee pads to get their retirement and get the Kennedy treatment.
It don't matter! The Kenyan is gonna get another Nobel Peace Prize anyway!
Which is it Tyler? The US is falling apart or China is falling apart? We all have our issues....
"US responds"...
So they did this in one day. 'Merica, fuck yeah !
I recall someone here posted a link from The Week recently, touting the unmatched superiority in submarines, a kind of full domination beneath the oceans.
Thanks God these military intellects are kind enough not proposing ground invasion!
"We won't invade China, so ground forces don't play," pointed out Wayne Hughes, a professor at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School. "We won't conduct a first nuclear strike. We should not adopt an air-sea strike plan against the mainland, because that is a sure way to start World War IV."
WW IV? Do I miss something here? Where's the Third one?
"Rather, America must deny the Chinese free access to their near waters. "We need only enough access to threaten a war at sea," Hughes said. In his view, a fleet optimized for countering China would have large numbers of small surface ships for enforcing a trade blockade. But the main combatants would be submarines, "to threaten destruction of all Chinese warships and commercial vessels in the China Seas."
Good post
"WW IV? Do I miss something here? Where's the Third one?"
Is this rhetorical? An argument could be made we are in WWIII right now. No muzzle flashes, but, currency wars... financial wars. We are hard at it on these fronts around the world.
Maybe this guy means the Cold War when speaking about WWIII. I hope not. If you think outspending/printing is winning a war you are one pathetic fuck.
Fail. If nobody's shooting, it ain't no war. Humans have been competing in various ways since the dawn of time. By your definition it would be WW infinity.
We will see how many sub you get after the depth charges are deployed.
If thunderstorms make you jump try subs when the depth charges start droping.
This man needs a wake up call. 6 months in a sub would help :)
Its clear that the Chinese do not seek major war with the US as the Citizen's do not represent the criminals in DC and Langley. Evident from their continue influx of purchasing US based real estate and assets. The question now is how to remove these thugs from power (this is for sure in alignment with the US populace that see the writing on the wall). The criminals in DC/Langley want a hot/kenetic war, but China/Russia obviously do not wish for this happen as it would put us on a path to WWIII and that is the cabals plan. No, they will use all avenues to root out these crooks, but it may get messy. Its obvious by now that the people in DC/Lanley don't give a hoot what happens to its people, hence numberous false flags could be in the works to divert attention and to obtain solidarity on a extrenal enemy as oppose to rooting out the rats in DC and langley that is caussing all the strife. Be alert and watchful.
Maybe creating a known enemy is just what the goverment needs right now to get the american people behind them. Because you dont need to be a militairy superpower to fight terrorism (ofcourse it helps) and the NSA is dealing with the terrorism theat now. Presenting russia-china threat against the us might work to increase the war budget or make it easier to lobby.
Still this all in approach by the US is way to risky of a strategy to work. Media in russia said the US needs a war by 2020 to get out of their debt. But given the de-dollarization has already founds its roots, the US has less time imo
the US cannot go to war without allies. They seem to be dropping like meteors. Good play by China and Russia to advert the criminal plot.
I believe it absolutely the plan. We were much better when the evil Russians were balancing our power and our focus. With the last 20 years or so with no real major threat that uses countries as proxies and pawns America has been its own worst enemy. I was lucky enough to grow up in a world that actually believed America was the good guy for all people. The only one that doesn't seem to understand that good guy image is gone forever is our government. Well they understand it but they still spew intellectually dishonest horse hockey because they underestimate the savvy of the american people. Since the Warren Commission, Cointel Pro among others most citizens are cynical as hell when it comes to government and there is no coming back from losing trust of the process and government by the people along with the curtain being unveiled behind the misdeeds by the American government against friend or foe alike.
With friends like this (US government), who needs enemies?
China's statement I would argue was not a threat but a simple observation of the truth recognizing that either country, under duress and lack of information could destroy the world. It's not exactly news other than some people may not have realized China was capable because they were hiding under a rock. We made this mistake with the Russians back in the Cold War era, not communicating other than some ridiculous back channels. Yeah that's a good idea while we are considering global destruction lets rely on carrier pigeon so as not seen communicating.
It was forward thinking in its tactics and too bad Obama didn't simply state the obvious himself. I read word for word (printed here) and there was not a single threat. When its a statement of fact, doesn't that take the threat definition off the table? Simply stated either country has the capability to destroy the world through economic, technological and munitions warfare. Not exactly a news flash to anyone paying attention.
Again, what is with the mongering, war or otherwise? This is the kind of headlines that I would expect from MSM in an attempt to drum up emotion and frighten the people. And oh...by the way given this new and outlandish and reckless threat from China, Congress should immediately pass a funding bill of 5 trillion dollars by 12 noon Friday before the weekend abandonment of DC by the politicians.
THIS ISN'T THEATER DAMNED YOU ALL TO HELL WITH THESE POLITICS. REGULAR FOLKS ARE SICK AND TIRED OF POLITICS AND THE REPUBLICANS NEED TO GET THIER SHIT TOGETHER, MOVE THEIR POSITION TO MINE AS A SHOW OF COOPERATION SO WE CAN GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON TRACK. I WILL NOT KICK THIS CAN THE ROAD ANOTHER DAY. REALLY THIS TIME "WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO PERSEVERE"
Children born into money stay children. No force acts on them, no suffering touches them, nothing to do but lie, cheat and steal because that is all they are taught or know. Its a world of cartoons and everyone around them plays a part in that cartoon world.
Strip them of any and all assets then they would learn quick or so Buffet thought ; tried this with his own grandchildren and failed.
These spoiled rotten kids never learn when it matters most the word NO; NEVER DO THAT AGAIN. With the force and conviction that is needed. As in you do that again and you DIE.
Most children learn this lession vary early in life by a mother or father they love. Limits on practice is a must for every child.
"Mans got to know his limitations" - Some western i forgot the name of.
Dirty Harry. Magnum Force.
http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrTcc9d3L5T6x4A0woPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByaD...
Stupidest puppet government, USA. So effing stupid. When dirty bombs are exploding around the USA, everybody in deep government who will have made it happen is going to pretend to be surprised...and their MSM minions. Yep. "We don't know how/why this happened!!!" though they will have relentlessly forced provocative events until they get the final result...which they will pretend is a provocation.
They will just double the amount of Israelis working airport security.
Disaster - spelled B-U-S-H.
Mission Accomplished (retards).
Jeb '16
Just realized this reading through the comments.... This is a job for George Carlin! Keen insight rendered as comedy. Punchline: Nobody else can try and rule the world because THAT'S OUR FUCKIN' JOB!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwlVAkXcXOI&feature=kp. Jump to 1 minute in. Very short bit. Worth it!
"Recall yesterday's less than veiled threat by China president Xi Jinping Xi..."
What is threatening about a suggestion of more communication? The article headline is crazy. Talk about provocative... Is there an editor in the ZH house?
The world is becoming American. The Ukraine has basically joined the EU and there is little the Russians can do about it... other than killing everyone.
The nations around China are concerned and are joining the American league. There is little China can do about it... other than killing everyone.
The nations around the Middle East are dissolving and the people want to join the American league. There is little the Middle East dictators can do about it... other than killing everyone.
The only nation to watch is Germany. They have become the wingman of the American league. If there is any faltering in American leadership, Germany will step up and fill the void.
Germany is irrelevant, only Sweden, the Uk and Turkey are honest and loyal transatlantic allies.
"...becoming American..."
God help them!
It's not new news that many people around the world want to rid themselves of their retarded dictators and religious lunatics and want to enjoy all the western goodies and decadent lifestyle with personal computers, smartphones and Levi jeans et al. But I'm not sure they want the West to be running their countries and dictating social/economic policy to them.
You can't get one without the other. What you are actually talking about is individualism vs tribalism.
I don't think they're after "individualism", that wouldn't align with their belief in socialism. They simply want their despots OUT and Western pick 'n mix goodies/gizmos IN. This explains why so many of them make their way to Europe & US.
Momma come get yo baby boy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
With all the US military aerial surveillance going on in the South China Sea and adjacent areas - which see and log every movement of everything, which are in part intended to irritate the Chinese, if not provoke them - one wonders why they have been very quiet on revealing what they know about the mysterious disappearance of flight MH370.
Have anyone read this one by Dr. Mahathir?
Dr Mahathir Mohamad on MH370: "What goes up must come down"
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/what-you-think/article/boeing-technolo...
At the rate Chinese are buying US real estate, and the rate at which 'Mericans are buying Made in China EVERYTHING, China should OWN the USA outright in a few years.
Quite right. I was just reading an article about Chinese purchases of U.S. real estate. In the last couple of years they have purchased something like $50 billion dollars of residential RE in the U.S. That's just residential. Include commercial and it's probably north of $100bil. I'm guessing those purchases will increase.
Let's hope they continue to lend us the money to contain them!
What a farce.
The Chinese military is just another political racket. No one is going to war.
America's industry, jobs and patents moved to China (Free Market) to make that nation the number one in manufacturing; Are these American corporations, Chinese corporations, with members in the Communist Party or are they, tax paying, American corporations? How is poor General Motors and the banksters doing in China?
The insane Fascist in Washington is threatening a nuclear war with China (and Russia) because they could never win a conventional war on China's mainland. I never knew a fascist that wasn't belligerent.
The chinese take what they want; but would rather you give it to them for a price. As long as your selling they will buy, trouble comes when you dont sell at any price something they want or need badly.
Some, in the US halls of the powerful,
do not believe a nuclear war would be a "disaster".
The shock doctrine of disaster capitalism presumes that great rewards spring from great "disasters".
Herman Kahn, past director of the Rand Corporation,
advocated that a full-scale nuclear war was "winnable",
and that the US should have a first-strike nuclear attack capability,
and not be constrained from launching such an attack as a matter of policy.
There are many in the Pentagon and various think-tanks who still adhere to such an offensive doctrine,
a doctrine now less blatantly, and more opaquely re-phrased as "full-spectrum dominance"
(in order to unilaterally protect when "necessary" supposed US "core interests").
well the destructive ability of nukes is vastly overrated so i can see how they think nuke war is winnable
Exactly, that is why the same criminals that attacked on 9/11/01 are dangerous psychopathic nut-jobs hell bent on destruction rather than be prosecuted for Treason for their crimes; it's understandable. Ha. Ha.
"NUCLEAR FIRST STRIKE ON RUSSIA AND CHINA IN 2016"
Global Research has this say recently:
“Full spectrum dominance” is the official term used by Barack Obama's administration, meaning “control everything, everywhere on sea, land, air, space, and outer space.” US Space Command documents plan to even “deny other nations the use of space.”
The “one remaining power” with the capacity to stop what the Pentagon calls full spectrum dominance, writes intelligence analyst William Engdahl, is Russia.
By design or coincidence, crisis in Ukraine provided the perfect excuse for US military control of the region.
Ten days ago the administration tested its Star Wars system for Eastern Europe, which will now be rolled out starting in Romania. Obama brands his system the “stronger, smarter and swifter” version of Ronald Reagan’s initial Star Wars program.
Under the plan, the US attacks Russia with nuclear weapons, while NATO missile defense in Eastern Europe mops up any attempted response.
NSNBC News writes “it is most likely and understandable” Russia interprets NATO’s Star Wars deployment on its border as an “unofficial declaration of war.”
Aerospace analysts told Global Research that US Space Command is planning a nuclear first strike on Russia, as well as one on China in 2016.
Read on here.A sincere question, on what level, in what policy, in what arena has president Obama not been a disaster? Please tell me. Where this president is concerned I don't a bright spot or a silver lining anywhere.
Hope you're not holding your breath for a reply Lynn.
I heard that the Chinese have a new weapon called the "Dumpabond."
Seems it is a cruise missile that can reach the core of the Petro$ house-of-cards core and anialate the DC US from within.
But then, why go to war with the DC US, when you can just finish buying them?!
“I feel so “first + two ” worldly.”
Dumpabond really? Lets walk this through.
China sells on the exchange and its baught or voided.
China sells in to those in country for US dollars in an open market; dollar crashes and the exchanges void those bonds.
China sells to banks who sell to other banks in a back room hot potato knowing those who try to get dollars with them will be voided.
Bonds still voided.
You cant get dollars for those bonds only credits. Those credits are controled by the FED. If they wanted dollars they should have baught the PAPER so they could load the boat and sell that now voided paper to people in Mississipi or any other state voided or not the paper looks good enough to pass on the Mainland USA. The US would have to accept it once its made its way into the Banking system no way then to remove it.
Only poblem with the Dump-O-Bond" bomb is that its detonation would create a sries of secondary implosions in the Chinese employment market.
Dump A Bond is silly and should be obvious to a child. Try to sell a trillion of bonds. YOU NEED A BUYER. There would be none.
China has a much more powerful strategy. It's called Take A Plant. The fortune 500 have moved all their plant and equipment willingly to China. What is it ZHers like to repeat over and over -- it's not yours unless you hold it. China holds it. They know that very well.
It is called the South China Sea for a reason. The US should not be there unless invited as tourists.
So then the US has an obligation to just let China bullys neighbors and take what they want when they want and say thank you sir have another slice, just because that's what Chjina wants the US to do.
Right.
Well China could launch another Vietnam war on them like the US protected them, spray them down with agent orange and spray the Mekong Delta with also. (largest rice production area on the planet.) So far China hasn't nuked Japan another one of those "neighbors" and now supposedly an ally. I wonder what changed their mind.
Really are a bunch of 12 year olds using this place for a debate training class.
Not really. VN may e nominally communist but they have a long history of hate and distrust regarding the Chinese. 400 years of occupation will do that. NK is little more than a nusence factor. And the Chinese aren't so naive as to think that the Japs don't have nukes of their own.
Not to say China is not the merging hegmon o Asia but that emergence is dependent on internal stability and that in turn is dependent on sales fgures at Wal-Mart and Target et.
http://rt.com/news/170704-tesla-tower-lightning-russia/
There is a tesla tower outside moscow they use to test computer chip resistance to EMP. I wonder how our research is going in this area? Hope the guys working on space rocket engines, F-35s are not handling this.
This concept would be useful in case of an EMP attack, you know the type that disables advanced military hardware and satelites. Or in case of another Carrington Event.
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly.blogspot.ch/2013/11/gridex-ii-so...
https://dublinsmickdotcom.wordpress.com/2014/03/29/a-mini-carrington-eve...
Transformers in the case of something like this will be hard to come by .... They are all made in India now.
Transformers can be made in your back yard. Its simple to make a transformer anyone can do it, its just takes time. Hell look up transformers on any search engine, build one yourself.
Hows this for a project: Take a car battery and build a million volt transformer and run a wire aound your property. Anyone or pet who touches that gets to see what its like to piss on an electric fence.
If they are that easy to make I wonder why the United States doesn't just do it instead of importing them from half way round the globe?
Or a high voltage power supply salvaged from an old CRT television, should work nicely...
Or a flourescent lamp ballast...
Lotsa fun..
:-)
Disclaimer: Not responsible for removal of corpses...
Just to reiterate, the USA could win a nuclear war today but 5 years from now you will get your butt kicked.
signed,
A Deranged Lunatic.
When you own everything with magic printed money you can't win by causing everyone to stop useing your magic printed money.
Only down side from here.
The bastards that took over america have an alliance with the Saudis to control the oil. They are freakin idiots.
The America Doomsayers have it all wrong.....China is yesterdays News.....Take a look at "Patents" compared to USA....We invent at at about a 500-1 Ratio.......It is "King Dollar" as I said in 2008 (exactly at the Dollar Bottom) it will be "King Dollar" as long as anyone here is alive.....Look at Percent of Agrible Land in China.......Look at PER CAPITA...China would have to become the whole World Economy just to EQUAL our Productivity......Oh, and our Trident Subs, 1 or 2 have more DELIVERABLE Nuclear Warheads than China has combined.....There are some great ones on this Site, The 'Flakmeister' among others....For those who want to understand what is really happening, and how it all plays out: http://www.talentseekscapital.com/uploads/3/2/6/9/3269986/america.pdf These facts and critical ones like them reduce the Rhetoric to dust.....China will Implode and We will Still be Standing on Top.....And one last thing: How Many ACTUAL Dollars have been PRINTED ON PAPER and are actually CIRCULATING ? Now Divide THAT NUMBER by GDP.......
You ignore the rot that occurs inside all empires which is what brings them down. Few can deny that Washington is in an advanced state of decay. The timescale of final demise is always uncertain.
I feel bad for the Chinese. If the new world pop is going to be 500 million then that means 700 million Chinese will have to be killed.
how is china going to conquer the world without first conquering the territories that form a naval fence around it.
-taiwan
-south korean
-japan,
-phillipines,
-miscelenous islands like guam
-mayalsia
-brunei
-vietnam
-thailand
-signapore
forget the united states....consider how throoughly surrounded china is by historically hostile countries.
to have an open access to the seas westward, southwards and eastward, china has to conquer all of the above nations.
folks---china is obviously a major superpower, but geography is destiny and china has a destiny of warfare with the above nations-----not directly with the united states.
as usually people forget how amazingly consolidated the u.s. cananada landmass is.
it's truly a geographic powerhouse with none of the problems of a balkanized europe, none of the sealane problems of russia or china, and none of the smelly overpopulous problems of india.
truly we are an empire that will last hundreds of years. we are the BEAST!
i'm not sure what China will do, but taken into consideration the deals Russia has made with China for mutual survival i think you'll be at war with Russia also.
one thing i'd take bets on, nato, nor the eu will ever survive, do you see what Poland was worried about, when, or if this breaks out now there will be no nuetral countries you will truely be with us or against us, or removed.
i don't see China making no first moves because, the first basic rule is don't mess with a coutry thats in self destuctive mode, and with each passing day they know the haters of america are planning it's destruction from the inside finacialy, and others militarily.
the only guarenteed outcome the fed. takes more assets, the multi-national co.'s,( the first day of war will be federalized by what ever country their operating in), and of course the few that sit at the bildeburg table, who all agree there to many people on the planet now, ww111 will make them very happy. of course these last three players mentioned are one of the same, NWO.
TeslaBerry, Exactly...All Points of Fact, Not Opinion, and All Well Taken.....Indeed, We are Just Getting Started....
"“Our efforts to deter China [in the South China Sea] have clearly not worked,” said a senior US official"
Well, this is simply stating that China does not take orders from Washington DC. Given China's economic rise and America's economic decline, would it not make sense for China to begin to self govern? Now I know certain State Department type will not like to hear me say "America's economic decline". They will point to GDP and America's percentage of world GDP. But a closer look at this GDP will show what a fake it is. It does not measure wealth production or savings, and those two things are fundamental to capitalist free market economic growth. America's fiat printing model may show fantastic GDP, but it is just hoax bullshit. America's stock markets at their record breaking highs are reflective of money printing, not wealth creation. Other countries who measure GDP, like Germany, China and other of the BRICS nations tend to measure output from factories, mines, oil rigs, technology centers etc. etc. Money printing to boost GDP is world wide to some degree, but American GDP is one fucking money printing hoax!
The US has decided to seek conflict where ever it can find it or create it. There would never be a full on civil war in Ukraine without the US manipulation and funding of it. CHina looks at Russia and sees itself under the same American proxy attacks in the near future. I have no idea how capable those planning Chinese military expansion are, if they have a clue how to construct a modern Amry, NAy and Air Force. But, America is incentivising them to do just that.
I can't look into the mind of America's Neocon Washington power brokers. But we know what neocons say and have done [inavde Iraq/ set of civil war in Ukraine]. I have no evidence to suggest Washington will do anything but claim world hegemony as a god given right, and use it's military accordingly. And what the USA won't do, they find proxy forces to do. Examples? Israel in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia in the Middle East. Now Kiev in Ukraine. Assorted terrorist groups in Syria and Libya. On and on.
China is determined to be "the greatest power in the world," and it expects to be accepted on its own terms, "not as an honorary member of the West."
- Lee Kuan Yew, Founder of Modern Singapore & its Prime Minister from 1959 - 1990
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142412788732349510457831289246...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SobQQWTmfbA
A great detailed explaination!
I just returned from China on June 30th.........I was in Hong Kong for a week and in Chengdu for 3 weeks. Any idiots thinking about messing with the PRC has a short memory.
The Chinese wouldn't think twice about throwing a 100 million volunteers into any conflict. They also have rail guns that will shoot projectiles at speeds of mach 4 plus and while we do have Tridents, carrier tactics are an anachronism when the enemy is shooting chunks of metal that will go through a carrier like a hot knife thorough butter.
The USA is pathetic.
A bit of an update might be in order. The US P-8A is not a drone; it is a manned maritime patrol aircraft.