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Epic Portugal Damage Control To Preserve Bank Confidence: BES Resumes Trading, Surges Then Tumbles

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Following yesterday's peripheral European poundage over fears of what a Banco Espirito Santo failure could mean to the nation, and to the Eurozone, but most importantly to depositor confidence everywhere, today has been an epic damage control session, with one sellside penguin after another, most notably Goldman (which until hours ago had the cratering bank at a Buy rating, only to switch to Neutral this morning), rushing to release half-baked notes promising that "all is well, please to keep calm" and that nobody should certainly withdraw their deposits from insolvent European banks. This is happening after Banco Espirito Santo itself sought to reassure investors by revealing its exposure to related companies after a missed payment on short-term debt by a member of the Portuguese group roiled global markets.

As Bloomberg reported "the nation’s second-biggest bank by market value said it had 1.18 billion euros ($1.6 billion) of loans, securities and other items linked to Grupo Espirito Santo as of June 30, according to a filing. The lender also said that it has a buffer of 2.1 billion euros above the regulatory minimum following a capital increase in June." Considering the obscurity of disclosures at the linked entities one would not be surprised if all the revealed numbers this morning are nothing more than yet another fabrication.

This clown parade of clueless opinions (did we mention Goldman had BES at a Buy until this morning?), stretched all the way to the very top with Bank of Portugal itself issuing the following pearl:

  • BANK OF PORTUGAL SAYS BES DEPOSITORS CAN STAY CALM

Uhhh, what else would the Portugal central bank say? Panic and withdraw your deposits from a bank whose exposures to insolvent entities have been largely unknown until today (and even now).

So in an environment in which everyone had done all they could to preserve confidence in the system, moments ago BES resumed trading. In retrospect perhaps that decision was a little rash as after soaring over 10% out of the gates, the stock has since tumbled. It remains to be seen if the BIS and ECB, aka Europe's BTFD crew, can contain the damage since confidence appears to not have been restored after all.

Banco Espirito Santo stock price since resuming trading

Keep in mind this happened even with shorting of BES shares currently prohibited.

So here are some choice excerpts from the "Don't Panic" BES defense, via RanSquawk:

BofAML say Banco Espirito Santo impact on Portugal is limited in the long-term as even in the worse scenario there is still a backstop available for the government to cover any potential needs. In the event of new capital shortfalls, the Bank Solvency Support Facility has resources of around EUR 6.4bln set aside for banking sector support.

Goldman Sachs say Eurozone systemic read-across from Portugal is 'unlikely' due to:

  1. 1. Portuguese banks assets are limited at EUR 494bln or 1.6% of Eurozone total.
  2. 2. Foreign bank exposure to Portugal is low with only 2 banks saying Portugal is among their top 10 exposures.
  3. 3. ECB liquidity backstops in EUR and USD are available to all European banks

RBC say the situation is more likely than not an isolated incident and should not be mistaken for systemic stress as it is more likely than not an isolated incident. The bank also notes that there has been a limited reaction is risk indicators such as EUR or swaption volatility.

Aside from Portugal it has been a relatively quiet session so far, and with nothing on the US calendar, investors will focus on various Fed speakers later today. The sentiment in Asia this morning is fairly cautious with most equity bourses down around one-third to half a percent. The Nikkei is down around 0.4%, weighed by a profit warning from Fast Retailing, one of the index’s largest constituents. 10yr US treasury yields are down around 1bp as we type and yields are on track to close lower every day of this week – which represents an -11bp move over the last five days. The Indonesian Rupiah is slightly weaker today (-0.3%) amid the continued uncertainty over the disputed presidential election result.

In summary: SXXP rises after five-day decline, with the bank and insurance sectors outperforming and basic resources, tech underperforming. The Italian and Spanish markets are the best-performing larger bourses, Swiss the worst. Banco Espirito Santo discloses EU1.2b exposure to GES. The euro is little changed against the dollar. Portuguese 10yr bond yields fall; Japanese yields decline. Commodities decline, with Brent crude, copper underperforming and natural gas outperforming. U.S. monthly budget statement due later.

Market Wrap

  • S&P 500 futures up 0.2% to 1962
  • Stoxx 600 up 0.4% to 337.6
  • US 10Yr yield down 1bps to 2.52%
  • German 10Yr yield up 0bps to 1.2%
  • MSCI Asia Pacific down 0.3% to 146
  • Gold spot up 0.1% to $1337.8/oz

Bulleting Headline Summary from RanSquawk and Bloomberg

  • Banco Espirito Santo sources indicate that the bank has sufficiently large capital buffers and various tier 1 banks have suggested this morning that the situation carries little in the way of systemic risk to the broader market
  • Peripheral stock markets outperform the core and the PO/GE 10yr spread reverses some of the recent widening as markets re-access the impact of the latest Portuguese developments
  • Looking ahead volumes expected to remain light with the main data release coming from Canada in the form of  unemployment data (1330BST/0730CDT)
  • Treasuries headed for their biggest weekly gain in almost four months as renewed financial stress in Europe spurred demand for the relative safety of U.S. debt; 10Y yields at multi-year lows in Japan, Germany, France, Netherlands, Canada and Australia.
  • Banco Espirito Santo sought to reassure investors by revealing its exposure to related companies after a missed payment on short-term debt roiled global markets
  • Allianz SE CIO Maximilian Zimmerer said the “euro crisis is not over,” as “the fundamental problems are not solved and everybody knows it”
  • The ECB’s newest stimulus package has had an impact on markets and there is no urgency to take additional steps, according to Governing Council member Ewald Nowotny
  • Despite a 30% decline in the yen since 2011 against the currencies of its trading rivals, Japan’s exports of goods fell 0.6% in the same period, according to an analysis published on the Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s blog
  • Israel called up 33,000 reserve soldiers and may bolster infantry brigades, intensifying its military campaign against Hamas
  • Ukraine hit separatists near Donetsk with air strikes, saying it killed more than 50, as the European Union geared up to expand sanctions
  • Sovereign yields mixed with Greek, Portugal, Spanish and Italian 10Y spreads all tighter. Euro Stoxx Banks index rises 2%; previous day hit lowest level (140.89) since January. Asian stocks mixed; Japan falls, China rises. European equities, U.S. stock futures higher. WTI crude and copper lower; gold higher

EUROPE NEWS

  • 16 out of 19 Stoxx 600 sectors rise; bank, insurance outperform, basic resources, tech underperform
  • 62% of Stoxx 600 members gain, 36% decline
    Eurostoxx 50 +0.6%, FTSE 100 +0.2%, CAC 40 +0.6%, DAX +0.1%,  IBEX +1.1%, FTSEMIB +1.6%, SMI -0.1%

ASIA

  • Asian stocks fall  with the Shanghai Composite outperforming and the Sensex underperforming.
  • MSCI Asia Pacific down 0.3% to 146
  • Nikkei 225 down 0.3%, Hang Seng down 0%, Kospi down 0.7%,  Shanghai Composite up 0.4%, ASX up 0.4%, Sensex down 1.4%
  • 3 out of 10 sectors rise with health care, staples outperforming and utilities, tech underperforming

FIXED INCOME

Bund futures fell in early trade as the German 10yr yield moved back above the 1.2% level. Alongside this, the PO/GE 10yr spread has been the tightest of all major European countries (-11bps), reversing the widening seen in the past few days as Banco Espirito Santo sources indicated that the bank has sufficiently large capital buffers, a sentiment echoed by most of the large institutions this morning (see above). However, after disappointing demand in the Italian 2017 and 2021 BTPs bonds have come back to flat in on the session, albeit in light volumes (Sep 195k).

EQUITIES

After initial strength following the European cash equity open, EU stocks are seen range bound with financials leading the way amid a dissipation of concerns regarding the systemic risk of Banco Espirito Santo (BES PL) as echoed by several tier 1 banks this morning. With the bounce in the peripheral stock indices the PSI 20 index (+1.9%) is the outperformer with EDP and Portugal Telecom the biggest percentage gainers in Europe.

FX

EUR/USD is seen stronger, back above the 1.3600 handle as USD suffers from a reversal of the flight-to-quality seen yesterday, with the USD-index marginally lower on the session. Although GBP/USD was well supported in early trade the steepest fall since February in the latest UK construction output knocked the pair from its highs. UK Construction Output SA (May) M/M -1.1% vs. Exp. 0.9% (Prev. 1.2%).

COMMODITIES

In commodity markets WTI continues its decline, despite some recent strength, amid little new developments in some geo-politically tense regions such as Iraq, or Ukraine. Spot gold (USD 1337.01, up USD 2.01) remains steady after 4-month highs yesterday, as confidence returns to risker assets with the yellow metal still on course for a 6th consecutive week of gains.

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We conclude as usual with Jim Reid's overnight recap:

With the market recently asking for a bit more volatility, I'm not sure it had days like yesterday in mind. The news that trading was to be suspended in Espirito Santo Financial's equity and listed bonds, and the equity of its 25%-owned subsidiary Banco Espirito Santo seemed to help catapult a story that had been bubbling just beneath the surface to one of global importance. I had numerous calls/emails from all round the world yesterday asking for my thoughts on the Portuguese banking sector. Although I've been monitoring the situation it wasn't until yesterday that I sat down and tried to fully understand the ownership structure of the group. It’s fair to say that it is very unusual which makes me think that this will be a fairly contained event as the vast majority of European banks have totally different and simpler structures. Also when there's talk of financial irregularities (as there has been here for a few weeks) that's usually something that is idiosyncratic rather than systemic.

However it reminds us of the stresses that still are present in the global system and in particular in Europe and in parts of the financial sector. This won't help the already weak sentiment to such names but it also shouldn't escalate much beyond the immediately impacted entities. The ECB has so many facilities still on offer to help bank liquidity which can be accessed in the vast majority of cases. So while we're the first to say there are huge unresolved issues arising from the pre-financial crisis bubble and subsequent bust, we need to acknowledge the artificial support mechanism that seems to grow and grow. The plumbing has survived much greater shocks than this in the last few years due to the extraordinary levels of intervention/support.

Whatever one feels about financials and the wider financial system, credit markets did arguably get a small glimpse of what things will be like when this cycle does actually end as the structurally impaired liquidity that exists in credit caused a small amount of panic yesterday morning before markets recovered in the European afternoon session. Liquidity is really poor in credit these days which doesn't matter when markets are in buy only mode as they have been for many quarters now, but it does matter on the days when you get a negative story. So when the big story/event comes credit could be in a fair bit of trouble but I suspect this isn't it. For the record iTraxx Main, Fin Senior, Fin Sub and Crossover were around 0.5, 3, 6 and 4 bps wider yesterday after having peaked at 2, 6, 11 and 10bps wider earlier in the day. Not huge moves but the market felt pretty fragile at the wides. Peripheral government debt ended closer to the day's wides with core debt rallying again. 10Y government yields in Portugal, Greece, Spain and Italy were 21, 19, 7 and 6bps higher respectively whilst German and French debt rallied by around 3 and 2bps. The Stoxx 600 banks index ended the day down 1.6% having been down 3% at one point.

Late last night, Banco Espirito Santo issued a statement that may pave the way for the bank’s shares to resume trading today. The bank said its exposure to the companies of Espirito Santo Group was EUR1.18bn. The bank also revealed that it has a capital buffer of EUR2.1bn above the regulatory minimum defined as a common equity tier 1 ratio of 8% as of March 31, taking into account a capital increase undertaken in June. Management says that it can’t estimate potential losses on its Group exposure at this point, but based on the numbers above, the exposure does represent a material portion of the bank’s capital buffer. The figure for exposure includes loans, securities and other items as of June 30 (Bloomberg). Interestingly amidst the selloff yesterday, it was announced that a well-known US value investor had taken a 2.3% equity stake in the bank even though apparently the bank was not required to report it under Portuguese law.

The sentiment in Asia this morning is fairly cautious with most equity bourses down around one-third to half a percent. The Nikkei is down around 0.4%, weighed by a profit warning from Fast Retailing, one of the index’s largest constituents. 10yr US treasury yields are down around 1bp as we type and yields are on track to close lower every day of this week – which represents an -11bp move over the last five days. The Indonesian Rupiah is slightly weaker today (-0.3%) amid the continued uncertainty over the disputed presidential election result.

Outside of the events in Europe, Stanley Fischer gave his first major speech as Fed vicechair last night, but he did not discuss the economy. His speech was focused on financial sector reform and he expressed support for the Fed’s stress test regime and new capital regulations. Fischer also said that it is not clear that breaking up the largest banks would end the need for government bailouts of the financial sector. Elsewhere it was one of those days where the data didn’t seem to matter much but we noted that US jobless claims were firmer (304k vs 315k prior week) while wholesale inventories were largely in line with expectations (+0.5% MoM vs +0.6% expected). There were some relatively hawkish remarks from the Fed’s Esther George and the ECB’s Nowotny. Nowotny argued that there was no need for further ECB action in the near future and said that the ECB did not need to show a new trick at every meeting. In terms of potential ABS purchases, Nowotny argued “If we’re not able to come up with some kind of plan this year, the conclusion should be that, unfortunately, it is too difficult for Europe, given the material differences, and that it would make no sense”. As mentioned above, though we saw a recovery into the European close, the sentiment at the worst part of the day was sufficient to see a number of primary corporate bond deals get postponed, which is something we haven’t seen on a wider scale for a while.

Scanning some of the overnight headlines, the FT’s Robin Harding reports that the Fed could overhaul how it defines the Fed Funds rate in preparation for potential rate rises next year. The Fed could redefine its main target rate so that it takes into account a wider range of loans between banks including eurodollar transactions, in an effort to make it more reliable. Other closely related rates that it could include are those on transactions for bank commercial paper and wholesale certificates of deposit between banks. The Fed hinted at a change in the minutes of its June meeting. “Participants examined possibilities for changing the calculation of the effective Federal funds rate in order to obtain a more robust measure of overnight bank funding rates,” the minutes said.

Looking at the day ahead, in Germany we get the final June CPI readings for Germany (prelim 1.0% YoY) and Spain (+0.1% YoY). The events in Portugal’s banking sector will continue to be a major focus today. There are no major data releases scheduled in the US today aside from the monthly budget statement from the Treasury. Consensus is calling for a $79bn surplus. Wells Fargo reports earnings today before the opening bell. The Fed’s Lockhart and Evans will be speaking on the economy at the Rocky Mountain Economic Summit in Jackson Hole. Over the weekend, the EU will reportedly publish the names of an additional 11 Russian nationals to be subjected to sanctions for their connection to the conflict in Ukraine (Bloomberg) and the Bundebank’s Weidmann will be speaking on Saturday. But all eyes will be on the World Cup final on Sunday night. My pre-tournament pick was Argentina but I now have a sneaky feeling Germany will win!

 

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Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:18 | 4946569 GetZeeGold
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Here....let's try that again.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:22 | 4946575 COSMOS
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#BringBackOurDeposits

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 09:19 | 4946770 SWRichmond
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Keep Calm and Carry On Depositing

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:11 | 4946919 it aint easy
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E nomini patri, et Goldman, et Banco Espirito Santo.

Amen.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:18 | 4946570 Devotional
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my parents have their entire savings in BES, I have begged them (for 2 years) to get out of that bank. They will not listen and have a blind allegiance to the bank, it is almost as if they are "enchanted". I have removed all my money frm BES, own physical gold and have ZERO debt at this point in time.

What can I do to shake my folks from this "trance"????

fucking sad man...

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:24 | 4946577 Dubaibanker
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Have you tried showing them the chart of the share price of BES for the last 15 years?

Try that....It will be worth every penny if it works....

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:29 | 4946582 Devotional
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Yes, I have even printed the ESFG (part of BES group) Balance Sheet to show them the "assets" (giggles) and liabilities but they don't care. I see a train wreck and tears coming but they will NOT listen to me. WTF?????

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:35 | 4946594 fonzannoon
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Good luck Devotional. Fwiw this should have been bolded and underlined

"there is still a backstop available for the government to cover any potential needs"

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:37 | 4946599 Devotional
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thanks Fonz

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:41 | 4946601 fonzannoon
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If you are a true zerohedger like the rest of us then you will just about convince them to move their deposits. They will decide not to at the last minute. A day later Draghi will announce that the bank is giving out free big titties and everyone will pile in with their deposits. They will become the most well capitalized bank in Europe. The stock price will soar and you will be expected to not contribute much to the conversation at the dinner table when it turns towards the market and the economy.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:44 | 4946607 ParkAveFlasher
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Titties are indeed mesmerizing.  Just adding.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:52 | 4946615 COSMOS
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Just go to court and argue to the judge they are mentally incompetent, when you show the evidence to the court they will give you power of attorney over their financial matters.

Gold always looks good between titties as it hangs down from the neck, a great way to make so so titties become awesome titties

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:45 | 4946609 kliguy38
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Free Big titties.......duh......I'm in .....hehehe......bigger question is WHY are you in ANY of the banks with anything more than just working capital

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:47 | 4946611 fonzannoon
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we are not talking about him.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:14 | 4946614 Dubaibanker
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How about a 10 year chart comparing the Portuguese Index IBEX 35 to the BES shares....http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EIBEX+Interactive#symbol=%5EIBEX;ra...

Indices will always remain alive and keep rising purely because they remove the laggards once or twice a year and replace them with 'currently relevant' companies. Talk about faking an entire economic concept. (To be fair, it does make money in the long run).

However, we can see that while banks have not yet been allowed to be shut down in Europe or US post the Lehman collpase (with the concept of 'banker of last resort' by the central bank which has so far stood the test of time), but Russia has a taken a lead with revoking licences of hundreds of banks in the last 2-3 years who are posing risk to the system in Russia, but other countries have yet to have the courage to allow capitalism run on its course. Ultimately, the public will pay a deadly price if deviation of capitalism is not brought on its actual course when any event occurs that cannot be controlled.

Spain has started taxing 0.03% of deposits, Cyprus had a major bank closure last year and Bulgaria has had its share of bank runs last month. More is yet to come.

Portuguese bank may not collapse just because it is such a big bank with 10,000 employees, presence in over 25 countries, over 680 domestic branches, 20% market share in Portugal but the GDP of Portugal has declined in the last 5 years and since 2013, even the population has started declining, therefore, crisis is just heating up. More bank consolidation is required in Europe or the banks should be run on capitalistic principles, after the 7th year in crisis, else bank runs, taxes and confiscation will kick the can for another year or two before it will all explode due to massive demand destruction in all spheres of life due to job losses over a very extended period of time.

Hope this chart above will help in explaining to your parents. Better safe than sorry is how I would sum it up to them.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:00 | 4947927 NoTTD
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You've done all you can, my son.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 13:01 | 4950016 Ides of November
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Clearly they are not aware of what happened in Cyprus - you should really let them in on that little secret.

Ignorance only gets you so far you know.

If they on the other hand are aware of what happened in Cyprus - I shall have to conclude that they're both downright stubborn & stupid.

The two of those together is essentially a disastrous combination!!!

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:26 | 4946580 highly debtful
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There's nothing you can do. For years, I tried to talk my own father into holding some physical gold. I cannot even convince him of buying one single ounce. He is an intelligent man, the problem is normalcy bias. I stopped trying.  

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:30 | 4946584 NoDebt
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Does he have any friends or family in Cyprus?  Maybe get him back in touch with them for a quick phone call.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:32 | 4946590 blabam
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20% allocation to gold for insurance... Old people LOVE insurance. 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:03 | 4946635 fockewulf190
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Same deal with my parents as well. It's even worse than ever before because of all the paper PM games which smashed the fiat price down hard.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:47 | 4946610 peterkin21
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Take them at gunpoint to the bank and carry out transfer/withdrawal. They will thank you for it one day.
But joking apart it is very sad. Good luck, and keep on trying.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:54 | 4946621 Perfecthedge
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@Devotional: My parents in law are from Bulgaria.  They have lost their Life savings TWICE now (they once had saved for over 15 years to buy an apartment), then the Cold War ended, the Soviets pulled out of Bulgaria and their currency was toast.  They bought some medicine for the children with the money they had.  Then, after joining the EU, several Banks crashed and depositors lost all their money - again.

What do you think they do now?

You guessed it.  They are saving up money - AGAIN - at one of the Banks whose management are members of the Bulgarian Mafia!

I have warned them over and over and they will not listen.  That's the way it is.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:50 | 4946709 Oldwood
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you can't fix stupid. what is it they say about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:08 | 4946906 theminister
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I feel for you Devotional. We're in CGD which is probably the least leporous of all of the Portuguese banks, but then again because its state run/owned could be the first to go boom. We're hedging like you. No debt. Paid for house. Gold. Supplies. Waiting to hear about acquiring weapons here. Got two guns at the ends of these biceps but they ain't going to stop a real gun. ;) 

The only advise is to see which bank is offering the best free spiderman towel to try and switch them over. Do they have other bank branches near them (millinium, CGD, or Active Bank) where you might convince them with the convenience arguement? 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:24 | 4947155 QQQBall
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disown them - or add a basement to your casa

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:19 | 4946571 highly debtful
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Sometimes, I wish I could witness the panic behind the scenes at occiasions such as these. Must be quite a spectacle.  

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:21 | 4946572 negative rates
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In Argentina they only get 75% of their bond money back on the 10 year, it's been that way for over 10 years, but the people still buy them, at least once, you know, like a dairy queen moment, you try the food once, and never come back, or their is a sucker or a fool born every minute, and it's your job to separate him/her, from their money.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:28 | 4946581 disabledvet
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50 is a big number.

15,000 even bigger.

My guess is wage and price controls are coming..."Social Security" writ large.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:30 | 4946585 Dubaibanker
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If there ever was a case of self attestation or self promotion....here it is...http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_PORTUGAL_FINANCIAL_TURBULENCE?...

PORTUGUESE BANK SAYS IT'S HEALTHY, MARKETS RECOVER

There is no risk...we told you so....the share price at 50 cents is just your self delusion...come on ..bring your money back into the bank....

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:50 | 4946710 Oldwood
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"trust me"?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:33 | 4946587 NoDebt
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"an isolated incident and should not be mistaken for systemic stress as it is more likely than not an isolated incident."

So, it's an isolated incident, then?

My mother-in-law saw a cockroach in her basement the other day.  She wondered aloud if it was the only one.  I said yes, it was probably the only one.  Very solitary creatures, cockroaches.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:02 | 4947936 NoTTD
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Arch Duke Ferdinand.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:33 | 4946591 Sudden Debt
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like watching a dodobird try to fly...

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:34 | 4946593 Baby Eating Dingo22
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Goldman and BOA are right

Haven't we been down ths road before?

Much ado about nothing.

Just one thing to be concerned with here. To whom shall Mario make the check out to?

 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:37 | 4946597 fonzannoon
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He does not even write checks anymore. He utters words with strong emphasis.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:40 | 4946600 hugovanderbubble
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PERIPHERICAL BANKRUNS

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:41 | 4946602 hugovanderbubble
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GENERALI (ITALY) Is the next big financial entity to crash

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:53 | 4946719 Oldwood
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Evidently a bank can't "crash" unless the government says so. A tree falls in the forest...

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:42 | 4946603 Ban KKiller
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I love it when one, or even two, totally corrupt entities like Goldman and the criminals at BofA say another shyster bank is "just fine". 

Does anyone trust any bank to tell the truth? Fools.

 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:53 | 4946723 Oldwood
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They even give each other awards, certifications and recommendations.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:43 | 4946604 zipit
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Get your money out now, Portugesse bitchez.  Bitcoin, gold, and silver.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:45 | 4946608 Heroic Couplet
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As long as it's only bankers who are harmed, who cares?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 09:07 | 4946746 RabbitOne
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When they confiscate your deposits, as in the Cyprus bank bailout, then you will be the banker. Then you will care…

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:49 | 4946612 WTFUD
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My main concern is whether or not the directors will receive their bonuses. sickbag

For the dude whose parents refuse to accept the reality of the situation, make it clear to them that when the shtf they should never broach the subject of money with you even if they are struggling to feed themselves.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:49 | 4946613 Perfecthedge
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Not to spoil the party, but will physical Gold really rescue our ass if TSHTF?  It will preserve value long-term, but if there is a real, hard crisis (I mean apocalyptic, where the financial system comes crashing down) nobody will give you fair value for your gold.  How will people on the street exchange a loaf of bread for a Gold coin? The price of Gold is manipulated anyway.  You might get that loaf of bread for a bottle of Whisky but I don't think you will get a fair price for Gold. 

I know, I might be mistaken, correct me, but we don't know the future.  Maybe a bottle of water will be the most valuable asset ever.  Foreseeing the future is difficult and we are basing our assumptions about Gold looking into the past (I admit a very long past, as Gold has a 3000 year old history).

Appreciate your thoughts.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:58 | 4946626 Gunga
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During Zimbabwe's hyperinflationary collapse, people could get food, shelter and necessities with gold. There is a lot of info about people going into the jungle to pan for gold flakes which they traded for bread. Weimar Germany same thing.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:18 | 4946632 GetZeeGold
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On a deserted island with 8 starving people and only one chessburger.....an ounce of gold would have no value....but neither would a 100 dollar bill.

 

Are you on a deserted island?

 

Zimbabwe - gold for bread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3LdNxV0yPM&list=PL6C809267543015F8

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:37 | 4946693 AUD
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You are being facetious?

Give me one time in history when 8 people have been stranded on a desert island, with a cheeseburger. An event that will never occur is not a valid argument to describe the value of gold.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 09:21 | 4946706 COSMOS
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Great Video GZG !!!

In my opinion one of the best video links ever here on ZH, it should be mandatory viewing in all schools at least once a year.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 09:37 | 4946826 Perfecthedge
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Thank you GetZeeGold that is indeed a MUST watch.  Thank you for your insights.  I am not against holding physical Gold and only wanted to have an honest discussion about the handling during a hard core crisis.

Your video is definitely an answer.

I should also add guns and ammunition to my survival kit.

 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:04 | 4947943 NoTTD
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And I don't think I can eat a "chessburger".     Sounds awful.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:32 | 4946683 smacker
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Dunno why you got 4 reds because I agree with you regarding all the uncertainty.

I suspect that whereas gold will be the best(?) way to preserve wealth in the scenario of financial collapse, it wouldn't be the right medium of exchange to use when shopping, for the very reason you allude to. A gun might be better ;-)

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 09:13 | 4946758 RealityCheque
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Silver = exchange mechanism

Gold = wealth/standard of living insurance/buy your town for a couple of ounces and lord it over the ignorant fuckwits.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 09:34 | 4946819 Perfecthedge
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I don't understand the down voting.  I am not against physical Gold.  Heck I even bought some the other day and the shop owner was advising me against it (it is an old coin/gold shop in down town Lisbon), because he bought that Gold long time ago and it was overpriced (according to him, which is true).   I STILL bought that piece (small bar).

I think a gun is a good addition.

 

Thanks for the video about Zimbabwe, that is indeed a MUST watch.  Didn't knew this.  I was trying to have a legitimate discussion about a good strategy.  I just can't see people going down the street with Gold in their hands without getting murdered or cheated by the starving masses or the new over lords.  Gun is a definite MUST have.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 09:38 | 4946828 COSMOS
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Can you buy guns in Lisbon?????

I thought the Euros were against our 2nd Amendment

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 05:17 | 4949545 Perfecthedge
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Absolutely not.  There are gun shops in Lisbon, but you need a weapon holder license that is given out by the local Police authorities and they have a waiting line of a couple hundred thousand requests.  The gun shop owner told me that this is like saying: No guns for anybody.  He sells mostly to security firms, etc.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:00 | 4946887 theminister
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Perfecthedge, how do you propose we get said guns here? I've never seen 1 gun for sale in this entire country? and no...OLX doesn't have any for saie either. I'd love to hear your opinion on the subject.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 05:15 | 4949544 Perfecthedge
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I know...if there where a Revolution again we would be totally fucked.

But hey, free Europe! You can travel by CAR anywhere you want and get said guns in other European countries.  I will not mention where, but there are some "rough" countries in Europe where Guns of all sorts are easy peasy to get.  You only have to travel by road as airports are out of question.

Hope it helps.

Boa sorte amigo.  Vamos precisar!

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:56 | 4946727 Oldwood
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Kyle says buy nickels if we really think we will end up in the streets.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:05 | 4947946 NoTTD
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I tried that but even carrying only $20 around tore the pockets out of my shorts.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 12:20 | 4947335 Welder
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My father is making alcohol out of prunes and stores it. It's a liquor, we call it "tzuica". He says that he can survive by selling it if things go really bad.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:06 | 4947947 NoTTD
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Which cell block is he in?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:51 | 4946618 GrinandBearit
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And US futures are green.  lol

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 07:55 | 4946623 WTFUD
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It's all very well Tyler that you've laid out the facts in black&white but what do the Rating Agencies have to say? heavy sarc.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:00 | 4946631 orangegeek
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Goldman Nutsachs working the herd again.

 

This should help these yellen pumped markets roll over.

 

End of July for negative GDP report for Q2.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:04 | 4946637 Bernoulli
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CNBC propaganda machine working at full steam: Europe stable after selloff; Portugal shares up 2%!!!

"Portugal's Prime Minister, Pedro Passos Coelho, also tried to spread a reassuring tone, according to news wire reports, saying on Friday that investors should not worry about the stability of the country's financial system and BES depositors had no reason to worry".

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101828369

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:06 | 4946639 buzzsaw99
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Fischer also said that it is not clear that breaking up the largest banks would end the need for government bailouts of the financial sector...

translation: there will be MOAR

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:17 | 4946657 smacker
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"BANK OF PORTUGAL SAYS BES DEPOSITORS CAN STAY CALM"

 

Translation: "BES is in deep doo-doo. Get your money out FAST or it's gone."

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:17 | 4946658 RiskyBidness
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Like watching a monkey fuck a football.....I thought Draghi and the IMF witch fixed this.....

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:07 | 4947950 NoTTD
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As a friend of mine used to say, "It's monkey fuck a football time!"

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:26 | 4946673 Seize Mars
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So...

"BofAML say Banco Espirito Santo impact on Portugal is limited in the long-term..."

"Goldman Sachs say Eurozone systemic read-across from Portugal is 'unlikely'..."

"RBC say the situation is more likely than not an isolated incident and should not be mistaken for systemic stress..."

Isn't this exactly what was said about Greece?

Say, you don't think these guys would...lie...do you?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 08:57 | 4946733 bearbulf
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Interesting how could Goldman manage to delete the history of its recommendations on BES from Bloomberg?!.. the same author - Vitor Roma - buy @1 June 16 - and now one can see only today's "neutral" recommendation... Funny thing! :) Do they allow such things in Bloomberg??. :))

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:01 | 4948129 Seize Mars
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Because bloomberg the man is a scumbag. He's just another crony. What do you expect?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:39 | 4948032 Silver Exterior
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SNAFU....

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:32 | 4948256 trader1
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/11/bulgaria-banking-idUSL6N0PM28G...

SOFIA, July 11 (Reuters) - Bulgaria is to allow its fourth-biggest lender to collapse but could spend up to 2 billion levs ($1.39 billion) making sure customers do not lose out, as the Balkan country battles to clean up its worst financial scandal since the 1990s.

 

The central bank said it was removing Corporate Commercial Bank's (Corpbank) banking licence and would hive off its healthy activities into a separate bank, marking the first banking collapse since a 1996-1997 domestic financial crisis.

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