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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

A Reader Asks: How to Find Shelter from the Coming Storms?

Some basic suggestions for those who are seeking shelter from the coming storms of global financial crisis and recession.

Reader Andy recently wrote: "I look forward to your blog each day but am still waiting for your ideas for surviving the coming crisis." Andy reports that he and his wife have small government and private pensions, are debt-free and have simplified their lifestyle to survive the eventual depreciation of their pensions. They currently split their time between a low-cost site in North America and Mexico. They are considering moving with the goal of establishing roots in a small community of life-minded people.

Though I have covered my own ideas in detail in my various books (Survival+: Structuring Prosperity for Yourself and the Nation, An Unconventional Guide to Investing in Troubled Times, Why Things Are Falling Apart and What We Can Do About It and Get a Job, Build a Real Career and Defy a Bewildering Economy, I am happy to toss a few basic strategies into the ring for your consideration.

Let's start by applauding Andy for getting so much right.

1. Don't count on pensions maintaining their current purchasing power as the promises issued in previous eras are not sustainable going forward. I've addressed the reasons for this ad nauseam, but we can summarize the whole mess in four basic points:

A. Demographics. Two workers cannot support one retiree's pensions and healthcare costs (skyrocketing everywhere as costly treatments expand along with the cohort of Baby Boomer retirees). The U.S. is already at a ratio of two full-time workers to one retiree, and this is during a "recovery." the ratio in some European nations is heading toward 1.5-to-1 and the next global financial meltdown hasn't even begun.

B. The exhaustion of the debt-based consumption model. The only way you can sustain a debt-based model of ever-expanding consumption is to drop interest rates to zero. But alas, lenders go broke at 0%, so either the system implodes as debtors default or lenders go bankrupt. Take your pick, the end-game of financial crisis and collapse is the same in either case.

C. Printing money out of thin air does not increase wealth, it only increases claims on existing wealth. An honest government will eventually default on its unsustainable promises; a dishonest government (the default setting everywhere) will print money to fund the promises until its currency loses purchasing power as a result of either inflation or some other flavor of currency crisis.

In other words, the dishonest government will still issue pension checks for $2,000 a month but a cup of coffee will cost $500--if anyone will take the currency at all.

D. Pensions funds are assuming absurdly unrealistic returns on their investments. Many large public pension plans are assuming long-term yields of 7.5% even as the yield on "safe" government bonds has declined to 3% or 4%. As a result, the pension fund managers have taken on staggering amounts of systemic risk as they reach for higher yields.

When the whole rotten house of cards (shadow banking, subprime everything, etc.) collapses in a stinking heap, the yields will be negative. As John Hussman has noted, asset bubbles simply bring forward all the returns from future years. Once the bubble pops, yields are substandard/negative for years or even decades.

Pension funds that earn negative yields for a few years will soon burn through their remaining capital paying out unrealistic pensions.

2. Lowering the cost of one's lifestyle. It's much easier to cut expenses than it is to earn more money or squeeze more yield out of capital.

3. Establishing roots in a community of like-minded people. Though it's rarely mentioned in a culture obsessed with financial security, day-to-day security is based more on community than on central-state-issued cash--though this is often lost on those who have surrendered all sense of community in their dependency on the state.

The core of community is reciprocity: before you take, you first have to give or share. Free-riders are soon identified and shunned.

My suggestions are derived from this week's entries on the inevitable popping of credit bubbles, the unenviable role of tax donkeys in funding corrupt state Castes and the Great Game of Elites acquiring essential resources with unlimited credit issued by central banks, leaving the 99% debt-serfs and/or tax donkeys with neither the income nor the credit to compete with Elites for real resources.

4. Lessen your dependence on anything that requires debt and assets bubbles for its survival. Whatever depends on expanding debt and asset bubbles for its survival will go away when credit/asset bubbles pop, which they always do, despite adamant claims that "this time it's different." It never is.

5. Control as many real resources as you can. These include water rights, energy-producing or conserving assets (solar arrays, geothermal heating/cooling systems, etc.), farmland, orchards and gardens, rental housing, and tools that you know how to use to make/repair essential assets such as transport, housing, equipment, etc.

6. It's easier to conserve/not use something than it is to acquire it or pay for it. As resources rise in price, those who consume little will be far less impacted than those whose lifestyles requires massive consumption of gasoline, heating oil, electricity, water, etc. It's as simple as this: don't waste food, or anything else.

7. The easiest way to conserve energy and time is to live close to your work and to essential services/transport hubs. Those who reside in liveable city neighborhoods and towns with public transport and multiple modes of transport who can walk/bike to work, farmers markets, cafes, etc. will need far less fossil fuel than those commuting to everything via vehicle.

8. If you can't find work/establish a livelihood, move to a locale with a better infrastructure of opportunity. I explain this in Get a Job, Build a Real Career and Defy a Bewildering Economy, but John Kenneth Galbraith made much the same point in his 1979 book The Nature of Mass Poverty.

9. If you buy property, do so in a state with Prop 13-type limits on property tax increases. We have no choice about being tax donkeys, but choose a state where income and consumption (i.e. sales tax) are taxed rather than property tax. You can choose to earn less and buy less, but you can't choose not to pay rising property taxes.

10. Be useful to others. That way, they'll want you around and will welcome your presence. There are unlimited ways to be helpful/useful.

11. Trust the network, not the state or corporation. Centralized systems such as the government and global corporations are either bankrupt and don't yet know it or are bankrupt and are well aware of it but loathe to let the rest of the world catch on.

12. Be trustworthy. Don't be morally corrupt or work for corrupt/self-serving institutions. Many initially idealistic people think they can retain their integrity while working for morally bankrupt, self-serving bureaucracies, agencies and corporations; they are all eventually brought down to the level of the institution.

Lagniappe suggestion: lead by example. "Setting an example is not the main means of influencing others; it is the only means." Albert Einstein


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Fri, 07/11/2014 - 09:58 | 4946883 LawsofPhysics
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Le me be clear.  There no, not will there ever be a political or monetry solution to resource scarcity.

A decent list, but you will need to defend your community, property, and essential assets with deadly force.

hedge accordingly.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:00 | 4946885 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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This is no mistake:

They are testing the waters to gauge public sentiment for a draft. Probably another DARPA project.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:02 | 4946890 LawsofPhysics
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Crap, now I can't proofread the post.  That should be "Let me be clear, there is no, nor will there ever be".


Perhaps, but I think people are wise to such things now. Those vietnam vets and protesters are still very much alive.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:19 | 4946946 PAPA ROACH
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"...shovel ready jobs..."

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:53 | 4947058 lordylord
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If we ever step out from under the umbrella of government, we would soon find a sunny sky above our heads.  The storms were made up to keep us in their control.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:43 | 4947217 Keyser
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One thing Andy got right was establishing a part-time residence outside the US... When the SHTF, I don't want to be anywhere near the US... 


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:48 | 4947227 RaceToTheBottom
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Options are good.....

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 20:33 | 4948870 Liberal
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Trust the government and let's all go to FEMA camps! What could possibly go wrong?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 12:58 | 4947436 oldschool
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Right, because Mexico will be a utopia.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 14:35 | 4947840 RafterManFMJ
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I bought a mud hut in Uganda; payments are low. I'm hoping I don't stand out too much from the locals.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:30 | 4948009 JenkinsLane
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Whatever you do, don't "black-up" in order to avoid standing out because doing so would

mean you are a racist.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:33 | 4948252 TahoeBilly2012
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Hey where's Banzai?? 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 19:45 | 4948751 gmrpeabody
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Maybe he stood out...

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 17:03 | 4948334 Calmyourself
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Long machetes..


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 18:49 | 4948602 Save_America1st
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ah, good one....nice dual meaning there. +1 extra

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 01:44 | 4949386 CheapBastard
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I believe it will get much worse. For example, I heard on NPR today that 1/3 Eye-Rack vetereans are on more then 10 prescription medications. 1/3?! He said they were everything from "powerful pain killers" to "anti-psychotic drugs." The poor condition of the VA health care system tells me their future is not too bright and neither is the health of our society.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:34 | 4949697 Government need...
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Have you seen the statistics for Rx drugs consumed by the French?  It makes what your panties are in a twist about look like a church bake sale.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:39 | 4948029 booboo
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you do have the "machette accident" and "eaten by war lord" riders on your life insurance correct.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:37 | 4948397 Jerk_Store
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I bought a mud hut in Uganda; payments are low. 


And you can refinance the ARM just before the rates jump

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 18:48 | 4950934 TheAnswerIs42
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Actually, it's not that bad there. Wife used to run a microbio lab in sunny downtown Kampala for 4 years.

Rented a nice place from a retired UN official and bought a beatup used Toyota Corola to get around town.

Worst experience was coming home to a Cobra snake in the living room, nothing like getting a sh*t scarred call like that at 2AM...

Besides the gardeners all the places came with armed guards...

Once a group of local baboons got pissed off when one of theirs was killed by a car and blockaded the local highway.

B Power!

Best story was about some German idiot who lost his arm because he was driving with it hanging out the window with a Rolex on it...

Other than that she had a relatively good time (besides working 15 hrs/day and constant power failures), was invited to several weddings up country and saw the great apes in Rawanda (as well as their genocide memorial...)

Although she is white, she never, ever gave any indication of wealth. Used to help a lot of the polio paraplegics around town.

Bottom line, if you live in third world country, learn to accept it or get the F out, real quick.


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:27 | 4948003 migra
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The article failed to mention US citizens cannot own property in Mexico. The mexican government/ narco state can take anything it wants from you at anytime and you have no recourse whatsoever.  Try fighting back and your decapitated head will be hanging from an overpass and your wife will be raped/murdered. Your children will be sold into sexual slavery. Oh yea mexico is the answer.....

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:41 | 4948048 Miffed Microbio...
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I have seen this happen to so many gullible Americans. Just visiting can be hazardous. Had a friend with a nice Dodge Cummins Diesel, camper and a toy box filled with motorcycles go down to camp on the beach. I warned him this wasn't the best of ideas. Let just say he and his family made it home alive but were out a lot of money.

If you really want to relocate in Mexico, you better not show you have money, try to blend and realize what ever you own, it can be taken away at a moments notice. Not bad advice if you're living in the USA today as well.


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:48 | 4948079 Jerk_Store
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Why do americans need so many toys to have a good time? Common sense says don't act rich around a bunch of poor people. But common sense is in limited supply..

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 19:17 | 4948684 The Alarmist
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So, maybe we're inviting all the migrants to help tame our bent to conspicuous consumption?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 19:52 | 4948765 gmrpeabody
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I just got back from a drive across SoCal during the night...,

It was like another country.

They own the night and the streets..., and the freeways.

(was that race-it?)

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:58 | 4949714 TBT or not TBT
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It's only race-ish, but close to the limit.   If you had argued for smaller less intrusive government on the other hand, that would be doubleplus racist, with an ist.  

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:52 | 4948090 Jerk_Store
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The jerk off mentality....beautiful beach, beautiful sunset,,listening to the waves breaking......uuuhhh.lets break out the motorcycles and atvs and race up and down the beach........uuuuhhhh that will be awesome...

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:29 | 4949750 Plato's Law
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While biking or hiking far from humanity, nothing increases one's sense of beauty and serentity like the grotesque sound of an ICE (internal combustion engine), the acrid smell and appearance of its exhaust fumes, and the earth destroyed by huge OHV tires...

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 12:38 | 4949954 Miffed Microbio...
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Completely agree. Nature should be enjoyed on foot or on horseback. It is a time for contemplation,reflection and escaping the modern distracting, plugged in world. I would have included mountain bikes but after my horse was hit and injured by a man going fast around a blind turn and on the wrong side of the trail, I have become irritated by their presence. I could have been severely injured or killed that day if I were on foot. Why, wherever you go, there is always a self absorbed, inconsiderate asshole.


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 19:22 | 4948692 DanDaley
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Mexican people are wonderful people and most would give you the shirt off their back, BUT, there is a high level of corruption in Mexico.  I have a close Mexican friend, engineer and MBA, and now a very productive American citizen, and he wouldn't go back to Mexico on a bet. He says you can't leave your house without money (at least $100) to pay off cops at the inevitable traffic stop. 

As a Marine in the '60s my friends and I had to pay off the cops, and was glad to be able to, but not everybody is so lucky. Now Obama is bringing Mexico to America.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 19:37 | 4948739 cossack55
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"Mexico to America".  I thought CONgress looked a lot like that donkey show I saw in Juarez about 40 years ago.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:02 | 4949716 TBT or not TBT
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They don't have rule of law down there, and Obama/Holder have set us on a precedent of having ever less here.   So yeah, he is bringing the banana republic stuff, and wants the result.  The lowering of the USA and western civilization generally with respect to poor authoritarian, rule-of-man parts of the world.  

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:42 | 4948053 Keyser
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Then pick another country... Mexico is not on my radar at all... 


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:58 | 4948119 Miffed Microbio...
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I'm not sure if there really is any "safe" country. I would never go to a county that had gun control because, historically, you run the risk of a fascistic state like natzi Germany. Locals will always see you as an outsider and you have an innate disadvantage. Americans tend to be deluded they can buy their way out of any circumstance. At some point, this may not be the case.

I'm sticking with my close friends and going with the guns, gold and grub route. I'm prepping as best as possible knowing I can't withstand a massive well armed army. One can't prepare for all contingencies but there is a home advantage staying in the USA for me. But I have no criticism for those who choose to leave and understand their reasoning. Just don't call for help if you get into trouble.


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:27 | 4948236 grunk
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"Shawshank Redemption" way of thinking.

Hard to get angry at people for thinking this way people when the system fails them so utterly and completely.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 08:57 | 4949653 SumTing Wong
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I have both local knowledge and friends in three different countries other than the US, set up years ago and continued through the years. Not everyone is so lucky, but it might pay to start thinking about making networks in other places so that you have an out if needed. It will take time and effort, and we may not have much time remaining. This is all too clear. The plan for us is to wait it out here at our little subsistence farm, but if it gets bad we hide in the woods in places we know well until we can get the hell out of Dodge and off to one of our other countries. 

Helped a neighbor and friend slaughter and put up 60 chickens yesterday. These kinds of efforts also help...

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:58 | 4948311 Winston Churchill
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I watched one American tourist try to buy his way out of a situation in Jalalabad

back in the 1970's.

The crowd frogmarched him to the neaest wall,where he was promptly shot.

They took his money and belongings.

My Swiss passport saved my life that day.I had ditched my US one.

When SHTF most Americans could expect that same welcome almost anywhere outside the US.

Foreign Govt's. will need scapegoats as well remember.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 17:14 | 4948357 Jerk_Store
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I watched one American tourist try to buy his way out of a situation in Jalalabad


With a credit card?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 17:40 | 4948438 Winston Churchill
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$100's. Crowd thought he was CIA.May have been for all I know.

They got his cash anyways.He got lead.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 21:55 | 4949083 Keyser
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I understand your point, but who in their right mind would pick Afghanistan as a safe haven when the SHTF?  Lot's of places on the planet that have a subsistence economy based on agriculture... Take your pick... 


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:55 | 4948313 Jugdish787
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I am with you Miffed!  Packing up the family and moving to some unknown area of the world seems a lot more risky than hanging here.  We live outside the city and there are a lot of good people out there, willing to band together and help each other.  My back up plan is heading for the mountains...outside of that I see no reason to leave.  If you look closely, you will see that this country still has a lot of good people, its not all FSA out there.  Other civilizations have been totally decimated in the past and managed to pick up the pieces and come back.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 17:25 | 4948402 Professorlocknload
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Add to that, Miffed, is it a good idea to be in any other oil producing country, down range of the most oil thirsty, biggest assed military on the planet?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 17:38 | 4948429 Bangin7GramRocks
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Fri, 07/11/2014 - 19:09 | 4948660 jimmytorpedo
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I hear Kiribati is pretty empty these days.

Anyone up for building a seawall with me?

If we all went, that would be pretty fun.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 19:39 | 4948743 cossack55
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Iceland or Bhutan!

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 08:36 | 4949632 Monty Burns
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May-hee-co also has draconian laws and punishments for, wait for it, illegal immigrants. Yup, the same people who scream at the gringos for their treatment of their illegals. Oh sorry, we must now call them 'refugees' must we not?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 13:15 | 4950051 toady
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We have places in Mexico and Canada, and live in the states. I have big problems with Mexico, no guns, draconian laws against non-citizens, etc., but the wife's family is down there, one brother is a government prosecutor, ones a cop, and the other owns a dozen or so busses that he runs through town.

The Canada property is a seasonal hunting cabin. The US hobby farm is the best bet, self- sustaining, but Mexico may be the best bet if they can carve out their own little empire and the farm is overrun.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 14:02 | 4950187 starman
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I owned property in Mexico , its all legit. You just have to know where and whom you buy from.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:50 | 4948084 SilverRhino
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No, the place you don't want to be is URBAN US.  Country dewellers will do quite nicely once militias are formed up and watching. 

As far as being outside the US.  WHERE?   Pick wrong and die.  If you aren't in the same ethnic pool you're the expendable one.



Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:35 | 4948259 Croesus
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@ SilverRhino: 

Agreed. The cities are definitely NOT the places to be, if/when disaster strikes. I relocated to semi-rural PA (originally from the NJ Shore-area). I remember the 1992 Nor'easter that hit NJ very well, and also remember how utterly helpless most of the people in my community were. 

ZH'ers looking to move to another state should check out this book:

If you're like me (and intending to stay where you're at, regardless of what happens), then this might be another worthwhile addition for your library:


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:59 | 4948323 Jugdish787
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Can't we get any of this info for free??  Almost 50 bucks for a book???  Talk about inflation.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 08:41 | 4949636 Monty Burns
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Well, I dunno.  Those urban youth that we see on all the sitcoms and films all seem to be very nice and helpful, good family values, always 'dreaming' of becoming brain surgeons, rappers, or whatever.  I for one trust the media.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 17:07 | 4948228 PrecipiceWatching
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Which shows that you, and your ignorant upvoters,  know next to NOTHING about vast geographical areas, as well as vast numbers of people in the REAL United States.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 02:43 | 4949434 RichardParker
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SHTF I wouldn't want to be within a 50 mile radius of the top 20 largest US cities either.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:46 | 4949760 WeNeedaRealGovt
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Yes, you own guns and a storehouse of supplies, but if it came to patriotic duty, you run.  Another true GOP Tea shotter patriot - "Fuck you I got mine."

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 03:42 | 4949485 GOLDTRADERRR

"...shovel ready jobs..."

Yeah, grave diggers

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:08 | 4947100 TheReplacement
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What is the proofread thing of which you speak?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 14:24 | 4947799 Citxmech
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You can't edit/correct spelling in your post once a response is posted.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 12:14 | 4947317 boattrash
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2 thumbs up LawsofPhysics. I heard what you meant.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 14:30 | 4947826 NoTTD
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As it is, it sounds French.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:53 | 4948309 robertocarlos
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Leme rocks! Ace of Spades

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 02:19 | 4949407 CrashisOptimistic
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LoPguy, a tertiary thought.

That which is inevitable is inevitable.  The word means something.  You can tell them and it won't matter, except in one context.

If you tell someone with young children, they will think you are threatening those children and they may get violent.  No one with young children will EVER accept the inevitable.

And that means don't bother.  Don't explain it. 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:13 | 4946929 Manthong
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I would go..

And hobble in there with my walker just to get my hands on a S.A.W. and a Humvee full of ammo.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:18 | 4946931 overmedicatedun...
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"In an exclusively obtained letter from Thomas C. Baxter, Jr., General Counsel and Executive Vice President of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, to William R. Breetz, the Chair of the ULC’S HFPA Drafting Committee, Baxter wrote: “In contemplating a companion Federal law that would authorize and institute an electronic registry and transfer system for mortgage notes and mortgages, I envision legislation that supports the creation of a national system that moves the industry away from paper but remained information rich, is transparent and accessible to all stakeholders … is credibly governed (suggesting under the supervision of Federal Reserve or FHFA –Federal Housing Finance Agency, HUD etc.) and, where appropriate, freed from state law variations.”

tylers your wisdom on the below is needed...after all this is how ZH cut it's teeth.


*See NY Fed letter to ULC below

"As I previously reported, the ULC’s current HFPA draft erroneously claimed: “A mortgage registry does not presently exist, but there is substantial interest in its creation.” (HFPA p. 29).

In a long, wide ranging, phone interview with the ULC’s Chair of HFPA, William Breetz, after I asked him how HFPA incorrectly claimed that an electronic registry did not exist, Breetz said, “If there is a mix up, we need to correct the text … Of course I am very aware of what MERS is and does. One of their legislative liaisons has been very active with us from the very beginning.”

The Federal Reserve is a privately owned central bank, despite its misleading name suggesting otherwise. The Federal Reserve admits it is privately owned. The American people cannot hold it accountable. It is not known for its transparency.

During a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) court battle with Bloomberg, for instance, the Federal Reserve clearly stated it was “not an agency” of the federal government and therefore not subject to FOIA.

Baxter’s letter is cc’d to ULC’s Lucy Grelle and John A. Sebert and dated October 29, 2012."

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:30 | 4946973 dontgoforit
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One of our neignbors filed for banruptcy this week.  6 months ago, one blew her brains out. Another couple who are close friends: divorce.  Maybe this is not so unusual.  Maybe things are pretty much the same as they've always been.  Maybe the pressure is getting to everyone because you have to be a mook to not 'feel' that things are in the tank and getting worse daily.  Our kids are struggling and yeah, we're bleeding cash to them.  Nothing too unusual there, really.  I take issue with #1 above - maybe just an exaggeration to express an opinion.  Wherever evil people rule, there is always strife.  We refuse to go down without a fight.  And unless the entire world stops spinning, we know how to survive., money or no money.  Just really don't want to go there if it can be helped.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:07 | 4947095 p00k1e
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‘We refuse to go down without a fight.’

I happen to notice that collectively we are going down without a fight. 

No offense. 

For example, government will not be stopping those illegals.   The easiest way to stop those illegals is land mines.  Yet, nobody is deploying landmines.  Resulting in the easiest invasion ever! 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:33 | 4947186 TheReplacement
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I agree with you entirely except the landmines.  There are ways around that if the money is right and, the money is right.


Illegal invasion over.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:51 | 4947240 RaceToTheBottom
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Whew, sure am glad they cannot get in cause we spend billions on a new fangled 15 foot high fence along the southern border.....

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 12:04 | 4947290 Crawdaddy
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TPTB want to see stories like these in your town:

A new wave of illegals are already showing up & doing crime in my little town. And just like in Mexico, the govt will hammer the law abiding and collude with the violent criminals. No magic law or politician is going to change this direction.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 13:24 | 4947540 GFKjunior
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Sure there is. Legalize drugs.


There will still be crime but the largest revenue generator will evaporate.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:16 | 4948193 Manthong
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Breitbart via Drudge:


MCALLEN, Texas—Illegal aliens are being allowed to fly on commercial airliners without valid identification, according to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC). “The aliens who are getting released on their own recognizance are being allowed to board and travel commercial airliners by simply showing their Notice to Appear forms,” NBPC’s Local 2455 Spokesman, Hector Garza, told Breitbart Texas.

“This is not the CBP [Customs and Border Protection] or another federal agency renting or leasing an aircraft, these are the same planes that the American public uses for domestic travel,” said Garza. “This just adds insult to injury. Not only are we releasing unknown illegal aliens onto American streets, but we are allowing them to travel commercially using paperwork that could easily be reproduced or manipulated on any home computer. The Notice to Appear form has no photo, anyone can make one and manipulate one. They do not have any security features, no watermark, nothing. They are simply printed on standard copy paper based on the information the illegal alien says is the truth.”  "

--- It just does not get any better than this.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 17:29 | 4948409 duo
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I was in the Pre check lane at DFW Monday morning, and there was about a dozen central Americans, mostly kids, in front of me.  Clearly they did not have US Passports, or anything other than complete confusion as to what to do at an airport security line (frequent fliers my ass).  They got a minimum of screening and sent on their way as fast as possible. 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 19:29 | 4948717 Manthong
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They feel up babies, old ladies and cripples but these little (expletive deleted) and older undocumented invaders pass through.

So what purpose does the TSA serve anymore?

Fire them all.

Disband the agency.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 00:02 | 4949300 willwork4food
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Capitol control.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:00 | 4949715 GoldenTool
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And fear.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:54 | 4947257 Oldwood
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Aside from the obvious corruptive issues, humanitarianism has been a leading contributor to this border mess. And as it gets worse there are ever fewer humanitarian responses that will work. This humanitarian created crisis will end in violence.

The most insightful warning ever presented by not feed the bears. But yet people get their heads torn off every year. We are presenting nothing but the wrong incentives to these people, and if we continue to feed the bears, they WILL ultimately tear our heads off.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 17:20 | 4948385 Jerk_Store
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I remember back in the 70's when americans were saying the same thing but it was about a different ethnic group that frequented the welfare offices in their cadillacs and kept having babies to get their welfare checks higher. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 20:17 | 4948825 August
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>>>6 months ago, (a neighbor) blew her brains out.

If it comes to that, remember Mr. Joseph Stack:

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 23:24 | 4949261 delacroix
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homicide before suicide

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 00:05 | 4949306 willwork4food
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+10. US Senators get bonus points.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:38 | 4947010 p00k1e
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Ping the neighbors right away. 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 02:25 | 4949417 bycatch
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I believe your wrong.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 09:59 | 4946884 Obama_4_Dictator
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All good advice.....I have recession proofed myself a long time new ventire with Karatbars is giving me unlimitless possibilities....while being paid to save in gold.....even Edward G. Griffin is doing it.  PM me and I'll give you all the details. 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:03 | 4946894 NoDebt
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"unlimitless possibilities"

Be honest, you're former President, GWB lurking around ZH, aren't you?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:07 | 4946902 Obama_4_Dictator
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LOL no....I have been buying PM's for 8 years...when I ran across Karatbars and saw who was involved with it....I jumped on board....this is for people who get it


BTW..I have loved your posts noDebt....been lurking on here for years finally signed up for an account a year or so ago.....

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:18 | 4946945 BobTheSlob
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Yikes...I just googled Karatbars. You've officially gave me heart palpatations! Not the good kind!

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:52 | 4947056 Obama_4_Dictator
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ok....I just signed up 2 vip's this week....I made 600 euros this week and 2 free grams of

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:54 | 4947253 RaceToTheBottom
Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:59 | 4947276 Obama_4_Dictator
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LOL...the internets....that's an ex-employee....this is not a pyramid or ponzi scheme.....I have built many succesful business's over the years....either you get it or you don't....simple as that

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 12:20 | 4947339 RaceToTheBottom
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Yep, agree with your point about the internets.


People can use the link or not...

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 12:27 | 4947357 Obama_4_Dictator
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Listen, this is not about scamming people or spamming...this is about be giving this information out for people to make up thier own mind....this is not a hard sell..

The country is being filled will illegals who will never know the meaning of the day, as they will never be taught and will never care even if they are told. Moreover, those who lead this country (our political, corporate, & media leaders) have deftly changed the mind of the masses about what freedom actually means.  To be sure, many waving their Chinese made American flags as they guzzled down 18 beers themselves don't know the irony that those who risked everything for freedom, our Founders, would be considered gun-toting homegrown extremists. Most Americans today would be fine with the imprisonment of people like Thomas Jefferson, who dare challenge the Constitutional legality of the big government policies in 21st century America. My how things have changed  The Founders believed in sound money. Here is how Jefferson himself thought money should work:
  1. That it be of convenient size to be applied as a measure to the common money transactions of life.
  2. That its parts and multiples be in an easy proportion to each other, so as to facilitate money arithmetic.
  3. That the Unit and its parts, or divisions, be so nearly of the value of some known coins, as they may be of easy adoption for the people.
Sound like anything we may be involved with today? Jefferson was absolutely correct when he noted:  "I sincerely believe ... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
This 4th of July, for me, was not about blindly waving a flag in support foolish military adventurism abroad nor was it a celebration of the bastardization of American values of perceived freedom. No, this 4th of July was about making a commitment to the sacrifices of our Founding Fathers. The commitment to not participate in a fraudulent and evil monetary system that today is used to spit in the face of all values our Fathers held dear.  Because of this commitment, I will be doubling down on my efforts to help my family and friends secure their financial future through the acquisition of Karatbars gold. It has changed my life, it's not a joke.
Fri, 07/11/2014 - 13:43 | 4947649 Tom Terrific
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Why should I buy from them and not APMEX where the premium is lower?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 14:20 | 4947792 Obama_4_Dictator
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Because I get my gold for free gold is always better than discounted gold, everyday of the week...I purchased a lot of gold out of my own pocket but now I use the Karatbars system to get it for me.....

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 14:39 | 4947854 Obama_4_Dictator
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I have made over 1200 Euros and have recieved 5 grams of free gold in just 4

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:03 | 4949717 nmewn
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This looks like a good spot for some Anal Jihad ;-)

Egyptian Cleric: Muslim Brotherhood Authorizes 'Anal Jihad' for Lonely Terrorists

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 18:36 | 4948570 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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From the Karatbars article:

"The one gram bars are actually 1.1 grams to ensure that they never have the issue the author asserts in their opinion that the gold may be less than stated."

Free gold!  Get yer 10% extra gold free!

As if.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 20:25 | 4948851 NickVegas
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Free gold army. Something for nothing. What a deal.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 14:46 | 4947878 RafterManFMJ
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Why piss away your time with carrot bars? 2 grams of gold? Big deal.

Now about me.

I am a 22 year old Spanish Princess being held for a small Euro ransom of only 500,000 Euros by a band of vestigial moops some 100 Kilometers north of Gibralter.

The problem is my families wealth is all in thousands of kilos of gold and the fools who abducted me have no idea who I really am!

If they knew they would raise the ransom to 50 million Euro!

So if you wire them the 500K, I will be most grateful - most, most grateful and my family will daly pay 5 times your merciful investment!

The moops accept cash or Paypal.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:26 | 4947999 Obama_4_Dictator
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Because I know a guy who recieved a kilo of free gold....

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 17:45 | 4948454 Professorlocknload
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Hope he doesn't drop it on his foot.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 20:53 | 4948939 Row Well Number 41
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You might want to have him check the thickness of the gold plating on his tungstun bar. 

I said it yesterday, but it seems even more apropos here.

"Tanstafl -- You get only what you pay for."

  --  Robert Heinlein

Just say'n.


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:26 | 4948002 DOT
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You sound hot!

Send some pics- I'm calling the bank right now!

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:15 | 4948188 Obama_4_Dictator
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People love talking themselves out of of luck to you

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:39 | 4948270 g speed
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ok --I've got easy money cooking meth and need a way to clean it up--where can I ship the cash?? 


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:46 | 4947035 Perfecthedge
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You mean limitless possibilities.  And BAHM, there is the mistake.  There are no limitless possibilities that will guarantee your survival.  Yes there are limitless possibilities in Theory on paper (like a good ad from my local Banker), but in order to survive you need resources of all kinds and they are definitely LIMITED.

Good luck to you and everyone else.


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:04 | 4946891 NoDebt
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Bah!  It'll all turn out fine.  You'll see.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:32 | 4946989 dontgoforit
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Well, it will 'turn-out' anyway.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 14:33 | 4947836 NoTTD
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Maybe Larry Fine...

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:04 | 4946893 NYPoke
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Given the relation between Bankers & "Medicine", would appear that we have a virus popping up in the near future.  Small pox returns.  Swine Flu. Whatever.


Rebalance the population by killing off us old people.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 19:11 | 4948666 Uncle Remus
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Rebalance the population by killing off us old people.

Right. Do your patriotic duty comrade and take a few collaborators with you when you go eh?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:08 | 4946905 Laughinggrizzley
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Which corporation is not "morally bankrupt, self-serving bureaucracies, agencies and corporations"? I have been doing contract IT work, where all the top execs care about is their bonus at the end of the year, and the workers bees just play the game to get their pension/401k. 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:08 | 4946910 explosivo
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Yay! I've already done these things. Especially the last thing. That is the most important and should be first on the list. The best part about what is coming is that the leeches will have to suffer consequences of their actions. 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:15 | 4946937 BobTheSlob
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"The best part about what is coming is that the leeches will have to suffer consequences of their actions."

The best part about what is coming is that the leeches will make all of us suffer the consequences of their actions.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:08 | 4946912 Reaper
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Your biggest fight will be to keep them out of your shelter.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:12 | 4946926 BobTheSlob
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Precisely my thoughts. That key element is missing from this! The US will be awash with criminals and may make South Africa look like a fairy tale land. Securing property is a big miss on this one!

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:55 | 4947261 jal
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"Securing property is a big miss on this one!"


You are so unlucky ... 90% of the population never acquired property that is worth securing.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:30 | 4948242 cougar_w
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You cannot secure property. Prepare to be boarded.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 19:12 | 4948671 Uncle Remus
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Fri, 07/11/2014 - 17:38 | 4948353 PrecipiceWatching
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Ridiculous comment. 


Enormous advantages of the US over South Africa include:

- Armed citizenry.  Heavily.

- Huge areas of relatively inaccessable rural land.

- MUCH lower relative percentage of feral savages "of color".


Sat, 07/12/2014 - 04:34 | 4949522 Lin S
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"MUCH lower percentage of feral savages 'of color.'"

Which explains why your government has opened your borders wide and is subsidizing every disease-infested Ostrogoth to move north to your town: INCREASE the percentage.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:12 | 4946922 CPL
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These are good preps, the real question is what do we all want to do afterwards.  Right now everyone knows the answer but they won't give it up.  And it's getting to the point no one wants to pay for any of it because it feels valueless.  It feels cheap and sounds hollow and there's something horrible about social stagnation.  It's a world where dead poets are cartoons, ideals are bumper stickers and an action is purchasing something.  It cheapens the efforts of everyone's ancestors to get here.  Because everyone's ancestors worked very hard to get to this point, bumps an scrapes to be sure.  BUT! ...eventually it was going to happen. 

The level of technology is commensurate to the shitty jobs have to do is now equal to the task the technology available can provide. 

Everything is here to do it today.  All the stuff, all the people.  It's all lying around everywhere.  Most of what happens today can be fully automated anywhere to do just about anything.  Even have machines building machines to build machines.  Currently  it is just missing a power supply that won't accidentally kill us, poison the world while we travel around or out when we need it most.  Thing is I know that serendipity is a vector of discovery in a sea of 7.2 billion people, only thing missing is education.

Get education going with a lot of people and three things happen. 

First, like the US discovered in the 60's a shit tonne of boomers hit the education system fast and hard.  What happened next was the sciences development curve popped.  Huge explosion of automation technologies to meet what they didn't like doing daily, plus some really handy and inventive medical processes, procedures and technology.

Second it introduced the idea of education as an extended franchise by department.  Franchising in corporate terms is usually associated with robbery.  In terms of education the currency is "Did you know?".  No one gets screwed in that transaction and the faster information moves the faster ideas develop.  Until it gets to the point that most everything is covered somewhere by a lot of people.  The more common information becomes the less fragmented the delivery of an idea and the faster and safer it becomes.

Third, it has been shown to be the most effective and cheapest form of birth control ever.  Beats the pill and condoms hands down. With the added benefit of a higher degree of sexual satisfaction with one's partner(s).  Open access to post high school education is probably one of the leading reasons for lower birth rates and the fact people with more education tend to respond with having higher level of life satisfaction.  The more education a person obtains in their lives the more interested they are in managing their lives closer. 

Not just university, trades as well.  Study after study, the more time in a class room spent pursuing anything that is found of interest.  Doesn't matter if it's engineering or finger painting, doing something that is enjoyable.  The recognition for excelling and knowing, in that is where we all make our character show while we are at our best.  And it's been show to keep family sizes reasonable, increase life spans and again, increase satisfaction in life.

Just takes a bit of faith, shit tonne of quick planning, sense of humour and twenty fall back positions for each change.  Then maybe everyone can have first world problems, and we all get better at other things .  Maybe see art galleries again with more than the dada junk that people buy to match their couch.  Or live shows.  The quickest route is dropping the current nonsense and automating as much of the dog work as possible; leaves a lot of idle hands to pick up tools/toys/instruments/books that teach and help others as much as the students of them.

Obviously still won't cure heart aches, or someone being a dick, or people dying but its a starting point to something different that has worked in the past historically, this is a little bigger obviously...7.2 billion people different.  It does provide a lot of hands to help out lift something so 'heavy' very easily.  Because once it's fork lifted in, it ain't moving for a while.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:14 | 4946932 BobTheSlob
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Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:24 | 4946960 chunga
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Careful. CPL can make you disappear by your own cell phone if he wants to.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 19:35 | 4948733 The Alarmist
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POE ... Purity of Essence.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:27 | 4947156 CPL
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The difficulty in the past with social collapse and the inevidable 'reboot' is no one has ever bothered to stop and think about how to transition smoothly from one 'empire' to another 'empire'.  The reality is no one ever needed the empire to begin with, not even the people working for the empire.  Most of them should have been doing other things with their lives instead of rotting in the shitty jobs they were shoved into.

So what is the solution?  Migrate the entire platform at once.

This is a couple of years ago but I had a client that had a legacy application running on an old DEC system.  Worked flawlessly.  Elegant coding in power builder, tight queries that were articulate enough to smoothly pull correct information.  But someone wanted a mouse feature on it, therefore it all had to be migrated to Microsoft.

The client goes out and hires a company to take the existing power builder code and rewrite it to visual basic. ( gets weirder)  Turns out the windows OS in combination with the poorly written VB code the client had been given sucked a bag of donkey cock.  But the client had already spend the capital on the new code, huge capital investment and the system in place had to be up for the client and about 50 external partners.  It is their crown jewel and the only reason that client needed to get up in the morning.

What to do there?  Create a sandbox that creates the illusion of the application running smoothly while better programmers worked on the code to make it run smoother on their timeline.  The reality is the solution engineered automated roughly 9800 steps, to install the application, allow for on the fly code changes in QA/Staging/Production and follow an uptime of 99.99999% as it was requested.

To do that we used virtual machines, literally we would create around 1200 VM's every six hours and then destory the old ones, perfectly, everytime to match regions, timezones, 14 languages and give the client the breathing room to finish their crown jewel.  It was a fuck tonne of front end work, but once it was done.  9800 steps, 156 internal processes, 578 legal requirements including any changing legal requirements as given by parliment were all automated.  To manage 1000's of servers across 14 timezones.  To manage it, only required 3 people to rotate in shifts to watch a network management system hacked up to act as the LAN admin.  Literally bots, watching bots, watching people and people watching the bots.

Before that, the assumption was that there were going to be around 800 people working solely on that app.  Grand total after the migration platform was built once.  23 and it mostly takes care of itself.

That same level of complexity can be applied to any problem.  In IT to help manage that level of complexity so it's no longer complex we use ITIL.  In ITIL that are hundreds of little boxes, each of those boxes represents work either done by a person or a tool.  Follow it as a check list of workflow automation and fits together like a jig saw puzzle really, really quickly.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:34 | 4947189 BobTheSlob
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Short version: you created some fucking vaporware.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 12:18 | 4947265 CPL
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Is the shit work worth doing?  Does it really give any one the satisfaction of a full life following legally mandated process flow and legal requirements that are as friendly as rewinding a spool of fishing line?

No it doesn't, there is a reason the pub was full every night until close in the 80's.  Work sucks a bag of ass, so why not automate the shit out of everything.  It can be done very easily.  All the stuff is just lying around rotting, only reason none of it is being used because no one can figure out how to capitalize on that.

Why capitalize on it at all?  Why should I as an Engineer do anything but automate and make something easier to manage as an individual.  Most of that project above was engineers taking the requirement, measuring their needs of what could be automated so we didn't have to watch an installation status bar of 1200 VM's.  Let the machine do it.  The machine doesn't get bored.  The machine doesn't give a shit if it's midnight.  the machine isn't worried abotu rent.  It just does the work as long as it's maintained.

So yes, it was vapourware.  But what in IT/Engineering today isn't?  Nothing.  It is all 'progressive' garbage that only grants a short term gain and is horribly painful to manage in terms of ownership of it.  Usually the tools developed are to answer back to requirements that are vapourware themselves, not all 'jobs' are required, but they exist none the less to occupy someone's time in their life.

Similar processes are leveraged in the mass production of chickens.  Everyone into a pen, eat, grow, be eaten.  Each chicken in a pen unaware of the outcome of their grain eating 'career'.  This is how people live in the developed world on 'successful' career paths.  Everyone of them, no exclusions.  Some are kind enough to build an empire, then put themselves in a little cage to be fattened every day as sweet meat.  Completely unaware of their unconcious desire to put themselves in a cage.  Keep that picture in your mind's eye if ever walking through the corriors of a building.  Each office, a cage. Each cube, a pen.  Every building, a chicken production line.

Automate what's really needed and leave the pen to do other things.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 13:21 | 4947533 PeeramidIdeologies
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You sir, speak of many interesting topics. Unfortunately there are no robots to cover my afternoon responsibilities. Thanks for the brain food tho!

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 14:13 | 4947768 CPL
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Then you have a task you require to do then, until a solution is found and you are free of the task to spend your energy on other things.  Unless the work you do is satisfying, then keep on trucking.  It's not a situation of replacing the person with technology, it's replacing the dog work where it matters and covering the basics everyone needs to be secure in their lives.

The magic solution is planning, coordination and knowing when to leave something alone because it ain't broken and fixing what is broken.  Explain that to people and it's like you've sprouted three heads...maybe no one is ready for it and it's too early.  Maybe it's just gotta get so fucking awful first that everyone understands what they've done to themselves and each other.

Maybe that's the way of it...Solomon's dilemma in a nutshell.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 17:25 | 4948400 g speed
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So --when can we start on gov't--

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 18:36 | 4948529 PeeramidIdeologies
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I enjoy the work well enough, but the trick seems to be finding the occupation that matches engaging activities with rewarding compensation. I thought I was on to something of the sort a little while back, but have yet to see the ROI. Sheit. Otherwise, I have no problem with the idea of dallying away at whatever suits my fancy while the robots tend to my dirty work, but there looks to be a bit of a rough patch between here and there, and that's assuming the "robots" agree to such servitude when that time arises!

The problem with your magic solution of somethings being broken, and somethings that are not, is a matter of prespective. It seems to me one of the biggest difficulties facing the population currently is the fact that we really can't agree on what is broken and what is not. And from one puzzle enthusiast to another, the people with the means and the ware withal to find the common ground are being left out of the equation. Intentionally IMO. Too many interests to be protected, too much disorganization for it to be reflected, I think you are right, it will get worse before it gets better.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 02:41 | 4949432 bycatch
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I'd love to have a BOT do my work. Toyota has the BOTs to do my work, unfortunately, the cost of one of them and the peripherals would cost more than I've made in my 50 years of working.  

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 15:58 | 4948118 SilverRhino
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>>> But someone wanted a mouse feature on it,

What they should have done was shot this motherfucker and saved a couple million dollars.  

+100 on ITIL.   I automate Information Security practices (good $$ and fun times)


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:43 | 4948284 CPL
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Politics, it runs all herds.  Either towards greater pastures, or off a cliff leading the charge.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 10:22 | 4946948 LawsofPhysics
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Pretty good post, but you still ignore the issue of calories and the fact that the earth's biosphere is a closed system (only energy can enter from the sun, but mass tends to stay put and not change much).  In addition, numerous elements (O, N, C, S, P, Fe, etc.) must cycle between different oxidation states in order for humanity to exist in it's present numbers.  It takes a tremendous amount of energy (provided mostly by the sun) to simply keep those cycles going.

There are in fact hard limits as to what technology can simply be developed, let along sustained.  As most people here on ZH understand, it is therefore very, very important to think about how humanity deploys it's capital and resources.

I would say that most people can see now that centralized governments have become the most inefficient way to deploy capital and resources. 

The pendulum is swinging, again...

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:00 | 4947067 CPL
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The majority of farming practices are horribly inefficient both in terms of energy used, people time committed and output.  To circumvent this most of square foot gardening people have been hacking the shit out of the process.  See, if you think in 2D terms farming is hard work.  If you occupy all three dimensions of a space in the application of food production with natural process to guide workflow something different happens.  Food production explodes.

This method developed allows for fresh fish and poultry, all manner of veggies and nutrient rich legumes (beans, peas, barley, etc.).  the reason it works.  The Eng-Farmer let's the system feed itself in a closed circuit.  Most of the Eng-Farmers job right now is guided tours of a fresh food production facility using about the same amount of power as a 100 watt bulb because he's letting nature (gravity, solar, water) do the heavy lifting.  Other than a water pump, it's self contained on 3 acres.

I've also talked to a lady that got a similar rig in her 40x60 backyard and she's pulling in 140000 pounds of food.  Again it's not magic, just using the x, y and z axis to place and mitigate water flow.  In terms of space, when adding the z variable to farming 1 acre become 5 acres because instead of just using the ground, which is inefficient, you also use the 'walls' to farm on.

What is 1 million pounds?  Around 9000 people fed well in a year with fresh food that locally grown that is as diverse as the produce planted.

This is the reinvention of farming by using practical design and leverage basic laws of physics like gravity.  Plus it's really energy efficient.  Just takes a capital investment of time, water, seed, a bit of plumbing, some wood work and following basic greenhouse rules on maintaining crops in a closed environment.

Best thing about it is it can be built anywhere as long as there is sun, water and people willing to take care of it.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:29 | 4947173 pazmaker
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Great link CPL, thanks!

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 21:34 | 4949037 samsara
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Make sure to click on the youtube link in that article.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:33 | 4947180 Peak Finance
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Yea also stuff like fodder systems that can provide a HUGE amount of food in a small space to support herd animals without using a ton of land, AquaPoincs where the fish waste supports the Plants, and the plants in-turn filter the water for the fish, creates a HUGE amount of calories in a small space and is very water-efficient. Lots of good future healthy tech here will be in widespread use in the near future.

BEST part is that this tech scales well DOWNWARD, meaning that even very small farms or household hobbiests can use the systems to grow a lot of food. 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:45 | 4947209 LawsofPhysics
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Only if there is enough arable land (in a 2-d setup or otherwise) for 7+ billion people to become "household hobbiests".  Again, math is a bitch.  What I can say about people doing this is that they understand what it means to create real capital and wealth.  Food security is a greeat form of real wealth.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 21:29 | 4949023 samsara
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There's no hope for the 7 billion in any scenario.

Hope for individuals yes, Hope for lucky communities, yes

Hope for the "all", Let's be real. Mother Nature will take us down to less than 1 In a hundred years or so,(or faster if we help her).

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:27 | 4949148 CPL
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You don't quit when you are tired.  You quit when you are done.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 11:15 | 4949809 CrashisOptimistic
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Or you quit when fish fed waste that is essentially fish brains breed prions that infect your own brain and tell you to quit.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 11:38 | 4947201 LawsofPhysics
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You still miss the point.  This issue of flux is important.  Basically, the speed at which those cycles turn is dependent upon how many calories are invested, period.


If you think that all the elements and energy invested into that "1-million pounds of food" only came from that 3-acre space, you are an idiot.  Moreover, how much time does it take to generate that food, what do those people eat in the meantime? By the way, 9,000 is 0.000001 % of 7 billion.

Good luck.


Fri, 07/11/2014 - 12:22 | 4947321 CPL
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Am I my brother's keeper?  No. 

If individuals don't understand the concept of taking care of their business before something becomes a problem, it's not my business to get involved.  I'm not marketing this.  Just building it by the example given because it's better to get in front of the problem before it's a problem.  Whining like a little bitch with skinned knee doesn't make it happen faster, quite the opposite.  It stalls it out instantly.  What to do in that situation.  Disregard fools and move on.

The system we are in right now does not allow for that type of effort, nor will it ever allow for that until it's gone.  If assuming that it's going to be rainbows and sunbeams while it happens, whoever holds that idea in their heads is going to be horribly disappointed.  It's going to take a fuck tonne of work, a lot patience and dealing with technical issues as they come up.  And I've made my position pretty clear on planting a garden, doing something constructive and getting tools for years.

It isn't a super market, this is a solution to calories required that requires a lot less energy to manage and it's simple enough as a engineered solution that anyone can do it with crap lying around.  Everything else is completely co-dependent on location.  Somewhere like Canada, we've got 6 months of a growing season, even then it's short.  How that solution fits into somewhere like Jamaica or Mexico or China or Australia is all regional dependent.  There is no way I would know what a problem looks like there because I'm not there, I don't have the regional knowledge to apply the solution to those areas. 

That requires regional engineers and farmers to figure out what, where and how.  But the tight and light agricultural process and design is about as franchised as it comes.  As in anyone, anywhere can build one if they've got the will to do it.  That's freedom.  That's the choice.  Adapt or die.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 13:41 | 4947638 LawsofPhysics
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Indeed.  Either way that is still one million pounds of C, N, S, O, etc leaving that 3-acre area when you feed those 9,000 people.  That mass must be replaced, period.


My point is, either way, if you don't work, you don't eat.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 14:37 | 4947849 Citxmech
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Most folks - even many Farmers - don't get this point.  Any off-farm export also exports your farm's productive nutrient assets.  When you buy hay, for instance, you are essentially purchasing the nutritive portions of the hay farmer's topsoil.  So unless you make allowances for importing nutrients to replenish those exported, or strictly recycle on-site with no commerce off-farm, you will deplete your farms productive assets in short order.

Sometimes it is the biggest picture that gets overlooked the most.  There is no free lunch. 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:07 | 4948165 SilverRhino
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Making arrangements to be someone's drop point for their food waste products is capturing those nutritive elements and recycling them right back into the system.  

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:52 | 4948176 Citxmech
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That's one great way to address the issue.  

However, the main point is to make allowances for nutrient depletion in your farming plans.  Also, if you are taking waste products from off-site, you might want to be sure you know what, if anything, they've been sprayed with (hopefully nothing) to keep from decimating the micro-flora/fauna in your compost.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:43 | 4948285 LawsofPhysics
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Almost, but not quite.  You are getting all the nutrients back except the ones that were burned or incorporated into the people that ate the food.


Remember, you need significant calories and nutrients just to simply maintain (stay alive).

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