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Israel Is Bombing Gaza Back to the Stone Age to Get Hamas ... But ISIS – NOT HAMAS – Claims Credit for Attacks Against Israel
Israel is currently bombing Gaza back to the stone age (MSM spin notwithstanding).
While Israel claims that Hamas was behind the murder of 3 Israeli boys which started this round of violence (and subsequent rocket attacks), the Times of Israel reported last week:
A new Palestinian jihadist group pledging allegiance to the Islamic State (formerly known as ISIL) [or "ISIS"] has claimed responsibility for the killing of three Israeli teenagers last month in the West Bank, as well as other recent deadly attacks against Israeli soldiers and civilians.
Hamas has denied responsibility for the attacks.
The New York Times also reported on Wednesday:
On Tuesday evening, Israel’s antimissile system, called Iron Dome, intercepted a rocket “over the Tel Aviv area,” the army said, showing the reach of Gazan rocketry. The rocket was believed to be of Iranian design, a Fajr-5, and Islamic Jihad claimed credit. Tel Aviv opened some public shelters, and in a city near Tel Aviv, Rishon LeZion, people were instructed to leave the beach.
Given that countries all over the world – including Israel and Muslim countries – have admitted to carrying out false flag attacks, we should carefully investigate who was responsible before cheering on a new Arab-Israeli war. (And the head of Mossad had predicted such an occurrence shortly before it happened.)
Palestine has gained a lot of support recently. For example, Palestine was accorded observer nation status by the United Nations. The movement to boycott and divest from companies doing business with Israel has gathered tremendous momentum. And the two main factions in Palestinian politics – Hamas and Fatah – have formed a unity government.
As Michael Rivero points out, it makes no sense for Hamas to have committed brutal acts of violence right now, when it is securing quick progress through peaceful political means:
HAMAS and FATAH formed a unity government. They need the support of the world right now, and neither HAMAS or FATAH is going to carry out an act that would wreck the very public support they need. It’s like George Washington trying to kick out the British by shooting students in the colonial schools; it is just not going to happen.
And the Jewish Daily Forward notes that – if rogue Hamas members did carry out the murders – it was not with the permission or knowledge of Hamas leadership:
In the flood of angry words that poured out of Israel and Gaza during a week of spiraling violence, few statements were more blunt, or more telling, than this throwaway line by the chief spokesman of the Israeli military, Brigadier General Moti Almoz, speaking July 8 on Army Radio’s morning show: “We have been instructed by the political echelon to hit Hamas hard.”
That’s unusual language for a military mouthpiece. Typically they spout lines like “We will take all necessary actions” or “The state of Israel will defend its citizens.” You don’t expect to hear: “This is the politicians’ idea. They’re making us do it.”
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It was clear from the beginning that the kidnappers weren’t acting on orders from Hamas leadership in Gaza or Damascus. Hamas’ Hebron branch — more a crime family than a clandestine organization — had a history of acting without the leaders’ knowledge, sometimes against their interests. Yet Netanyahu repeatedly insisted Hamas was responsible for the crime and would pay for it.
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Hitch-hiking is a risky idea these days in the west. I wonder what compelled the students to do it? Is it common over there?
hitchhiking is very common in israel. i saw a lot of hitchhikers on the highway when i visited earlier this year, mostly younger folk, i assume they couldn't afford cars, which are very expensive there. i even saw arab women hitchhiking near jerusalem, which was surprising to me.
Thanks tour guide.
you're welcome.
Israel has been claiming that the Iranians are providing Hamas with the M-302 rocket (100-200 km range / 175Kg warhead) like those it conveniently intercepted under an Iranian load of cement (below) en route to Sudan for trans-shipment through Egypt and into Gaza through smugglers tunnels. Quite an amazing (if not impossible) undertaking considering the size of the rocket.
http://www.armamentresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Khaibar-1-roc...
Hamas on the other hand says it is building its own M-75 rockets based on the Iranian Fajr-5 design which is even larger than the M-302. (Idiots if they are)
All rockets are depicted here to give you an idea (but the source does not provide a length for the Iranian M-302 for some reason and underestimates the length of the Fajr-5 by 3.5 metre):
http://english.al-akhbar.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/5cols/leadin...
"The M-75 is described as a rocket with a 75 kilometer range. Oddly enough Iran has a rocket that fits that description, the Fajr-5. Iran insists it has not smuggled this long range rocket into Gaza and its sheer size indicates why. Fajr-5 is a 10 meter (31 feet) long, 333mm (13 inches) diameter, .9 ton rocket with a range of 75 kilometers. It could reach Tel Aviv and most of central Israel. But the Fajr-5 is as big as a telephone pole and is based on a similar 302mm Chinese rocket that Iran bought in the 1990s and now produces as the Fajr-5."
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/20130715.aspx
It is unfortunate that Hamas has either built or imported Iranian rockets (can't see Iran being that stupid) to be used against Israel. They stand to lose all moral high ground they have built up over the years plus all these rockets are entirely incapable of hitting any clearly defined Israeli military target. They are pimarily political weapons of terror.
Israel on the other hand will do just about anything (including pounding the Gaza hornet nest) to get its war with Iran started.
Don't like this one bit...
"It is unfortunate ..."
yeah, you might say that.
"... lose all moral high ground they have built up ..."
Good one, skippy. The moral high ground they have built up by NOT launching pointless missiles in random directions against their neighbor who has 1000x their military power.
I'd put the question differently - WTF are they thinking? The Palestinians have developed stupidity to a level almost unknown in human history. The Israelis put it with it year after year, stupidity in the form of vicious but incompetent aggression against them.
The Palestinians could have peace and prosperity any time they want it by stopping these idiotic and ineffective attacks. But they chose, again and again, to continue as they were only moreso. It just completely beggars the imagination.
It's about power. As long as there is war, Hamas stays relevant and its member rule of Gaza.
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/02/06/the-truth-about-cease-fire-violations...
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/07/08/who-started-the-cycle-of-v...
Israel ... will do just about anything ... to get its war with Iran started.
You seem to be implying that Israel would like to have a war with Iran, but is having trouble getting that war started. Is that what you meant (having trouble getting it started)?
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Bibi isn't implying it though.
There is a big difference between these two statements:
1. Would like to destroy Iran's nuclear weapons capability;
2. Would like to engage in war with Iran.
I realize that (1) could and most likely would lead to (2). But Israel has done surgical strikes in the past that did not result in war.
I think most evidence shows that Bibi is focused on (1), not on (2).
http://www.juancole.com/2012/09/netanyahu-in-1992-iran-close-to-having-n...
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/opinion/sick-netanyahu-on-iran/
Juan Cole does good work
that it hired Iranians in the 1950?s to pose as Communists and stage
bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its
democratically-elected prime minister
that the Bush administration (and especially Dick Cheney) helped to fund terrorist groups within Iran (see confirming articles here and here)
and others are reporting, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani,
former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security
adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey – who
all said that the terrorists were going to get us if we didn’t jettison
the liberties granted under the Bill of Rights – are now supporting
terrorists in Iran
dear george i've been reading you for long time, but you're just another israel hater. YOU---REFUSE TO ENGAGE THE LOGIC OF THE DYNAMICS YOU ADMIT TO.
IRAN DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE NUKES AND YOU KNOW IT. BECAUSE......
IRAN POSES A HUGE THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES PETRODOLLAR EMPIRE. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. THE PETRO DOLLAR IS A MAJOR ISSUE, AND THE LONGER IRAN SELLS ITS OIL IN NON-USD THE SOONER THE U.S. EMPIRE FALLS. AS THE PETRO DOLLAR FALLS FROM GRACE, YOU SIMPLY GET A MUCH MUCH DEVALUED INTERNTIONAL U.S.D. YOU CANNOT BUY OIL CHEAPLY WITH IT, AND YOU CANNOT RUN AN EMPIRE SO WELL WITH IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN OTHER NATIONS START PREFERRRING ALTERNATIVE CURRENCIES.
THE U.S. IS RUNNING AN EMPIRE. AND YOU WANT TO BLAME ISRAEL FOR THIS POLICY.
THE U.S. ENTERED WORLD WAR 1 AND 2 BEFORE ISRAEL EXISTED. AND IT WOULD START WW3 EVEN IF ISRAEL DIDN'T EXIST. ISRAEL IS A FART IN THE WIND COMPARED TO MAJOR SUPERPOWERS.
IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CALCULUS OF EMPIRE SHUT YOUR PSEUDO-DISSIDENT MOUTH ALREADY YOU KNOW IT ALL. YOU KNOW THE U.S. IS RUNNING AN EMPIRE, AND YET, YOU REFUSE TO ACKNOLWEDGE THAT CONTROL OVER OIL IS THE NAME OF THE GAME , WHY?
BECAUSE ISRAEL HAS SO MUCH OIL? NO OF COURSE NOT, IT HAS NONE. ( at least recently it discovered natural gas but that's another matter)
TO BLAME ISRAEL FOR THE PETRODOLLAR? YOU ARE A COWARD AND REFUSE TO BLAME YOUR OWN JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF AND EXXON AND MOBILE FOR DIRECTING U.S. POTRODOLLAR HEGEMONY.
OH YEA, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND BLAME THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND EVERYTHING ON JEWS AND ZIONISITS AND ZIONAZI JEWS.
LOOK IN THE MIRROR YOU SCAPEGOATER.
it's almost as if... oil has something to do with all of this
Funny thing though, Iran is not Iraq.
The US can't seem to control two "small" occupations, would like to see them try a big one.
Would like to destroy Iran's nuclear weapons capability;
That's going to be very difficult, isn't it? I mean, given that Iran has no 'nuclear weapons capability'.
Who cares about that?
The 'american' way is to destroy things to check later.
Iraq had no WMDs, it did not prevent 'americans' from blowing things up.
The 'american' nature is eternal.
Let's stick to basics.
Lobbing high explosives at active nuclear facilities is not "surgical", it's INSANE.
Aren't there enough nut jobs already trying that maneuver this week to clearly demonstrate the rather twisted and psychopathic definition one must have of "success" in order to view that as a viable solution?
Agreed. IF true, it is very very bad.
Disingenuous semantics and you know it.
Doing war or doing surgical air strikes requires different planning, different manpower and machine resources, and different strategies.
It is not at all disingenuous semantics to acknowledge the difference between these two activities.
Israel would like America to have it's war against Iran.
Turn on MSM news sometime... Israel (America's best friend) is under attack and on the ropes... didn't you hear the alarms go off in Jerusalem?
You have not addressed, much less answered, my question. So let me put it another way: do you think Israel could start a war with Iran anytime it wants to? That is, do you think it has the capability to start such a war if it wanted to?
That would be suicidal.The Iranians aquired nukes during the collapse of
the soviet union.The Ayatollah may not even be aware of it,but EVERY western intelligence
agency is.
That is why the Israelis want the US to take on Iran, thinking that the Iranians would
not dare use them against the Great Satan.They are wrong, they would be used prolly on
Saudi, and Israel.
Yes and yes. Winning it is another story.
I agree with both of you. But neither of you are ZerOhead. I'm curious whether I am correctly interpreting what s/he said.
This is not ISIS and not Iran attacking Israel.
And yes Israel wants a war with Iran.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/netanyahu-the-lobby-cowbo_b_3...
Some would think you know what you are talking about, but those of us who have studied Islam know you have only opinions built on false assumtions derived from others false opinions posted by BLOGGERS, as fact.
LOL. WTF did you just post on a blog?
It's easy as 1-2-3 to start a war ...
It's as easy as 1-2-3 ABC CBS NBC CNN FOX...
See how easy it can be!
If it's so easy, why hasn't it happened already? Getting posters to agree with you is easy. Getting Israel to push the USA into a war, not so much.
The occupiers have not provided any evidence that Hamas was to blame.
Yet the occupiers have unleashed hell once again on the women and children, without shame.
While our dictatorship molly coddles the invader children of central America,
it sits idly by doing nothing while the oppressors slaughter the Palestinian children, with wanton abandon.
Isn't it funny that the 6th most powerful military in the world is constantly "terrorized" by an starving people in an open-air concentration camp with, like, two functional escalators and an elevator to their name? Poooor little Zionists .... is it really a mystery to them why people hate them?
Oh, and for those who keep getting them mixed up: Israel is a Zionist State, not a Jewish State - any real (Torah) Jew will tell you that.....
It's worse than that. They IDF had the call recording with both the fatal gunshots and someone claiming to have killed the three teens - SINCE THE NIGHT THEY "DISAPPEARED".
Sending troops and rounding up several hundred of "the usual suspects" was never about locating hostages or perpetrators. Every single idiot on TV or the interwebz claiming otherwise is a) a LIAR or b) a USEFUL IDIOT, there is no option c.
Bibi wanted an escalation, and he got it. Who provided the PM the escalation and the full extent of his or her relations and coordination with the IDF and its appendages isn't something Israel likes to discuss... I wonder why...
The missiles are being launched from Gaza, doesn't make any difference who is launching them. Destroy the missles, destroy the launchers, destroy the terrorists.
well real descedants of jews are launching them on khazars, fake jews occupying izrael
"...The missiles are being launched from Gaza..."
Is that what CNN told you, HerrDoktor?
What sort of terrorist missile launches - supposedly 200 plus - miss every single time? Did CNN explain that to you yet? Did they even mention it? Does that sound like the act of a comically poor-aiming Hamas, or the false flag actions of Nettanyahu's Stasi?
Iron Dome is lucky to knock down 5% of those mysteriously inaccurate missiles, so the $1.1 billion U.S. taxpayers forked over for that was a waste (whatever wasn't outright stolen by middlemen and politicians).
Israel steals $3.1 billion U.S. taxpayer dollars every year with the help of a criminally treasonist U.S. congress for F-16s and laser-guided bombs. The only people they were ever used on were Palistinian civilians.
Iron Dome is standing at 90% sucess rate...
It puts the patriot missile to shame...
got a link?
90% on small, home made unguided rockets would be pretty impressive.
Widely reported
I'll stand corrected and take both your word and CNN's word for it, MeMadMax.
All you have to do is convince me that either of you have more qualifications than a Raytheon Integrated Defense System's engineer, and have spent more time analyzing intercept detail then he has. Knocking a rocket slightly off its terminal trajectory without affecting the fuze or warhead is assinine unless you magically know the warhead is incapable of causing any damage.
The bogus Iron Dome is either a money-stealing scam or a bad attempt at PR for a non-protective, ineffective shield. It has never saved anybody because nobody is dying from these false-flag missile attacks.
If 1) Hamas was actually firing the rockets 2) into a densely-populated area 3) in any reasonably aimed manner, 4) in an attempt to injure or kill Israelis, then SOME Israeli citizens would be injured or killed in the last 300 (I had the last number wrong) attempts. This is just preposterous. Random chance suggests there would have been more Israeli casualties just from falling missile parts from 300 missiles.
I'm tired of these repeated, bloodless missile attacks used as a lame-ass excuse for Nettanyahu's reverse-victim IDF cowards to execute Palestinian civilians a few dozen at a time.
I'm tired of the missile attacks too but Hamas keeps launching and now their head guys are on TV and radio announcing to airlines to stop flying to Tel Aviv so please, spare us the false flag nonsense since the head Hamas guys didn't get the message or don't like it. Hamas doesn't like playing victim all the time, only some of the time.
The Patriot Missile System is Quarter Century Old Technology. (Or older...) That is right. It has been TWENTY THREE YEARS since we were involved in the first Gulf War.
I am sure that the USA has developed something a little more efficient.
So FUCK YOU.
Why so pissy for?
I come out with facts and you come out with blubbering bullshit...
Gueeeeeeeesss what?
I used to handle parts for the patriot. I like the system. I know we keep on upgradeing it as we should in order to integrate new technology...
I am also compareing a medium range missile system with a short range terminal system. Which is almost like compareing apples to oranges...
My bad...
And if you were smart, you would've pointed that out instead of going all full retarded 5 year old pounding your fists on the ground...
Gotcha.
So STFU....
By missiles you mean bottle rockets don't you? And by terrorists you obviously mean innocent women and children, and local sports enthusiasts...