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NSA Whistleblower Speaks: "The Ultimate Goal is Total Population Control"

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

At least 80% of fibre-optic cables globally go via the U.S. This is no accident and allows the US to view all communication coming in. At least 80% of all audio calls, not just metadata, are recorded and stored in the US. The NSA lies about what it stores.

 

- NSA Whistleblower Bill Binney

Long-time readers of Liberty Blitzkrieg will be no strangers to Bill Binney, one of the earliest NSA whistleblowers. Well before anyone had ever heard of Edward Snowden, in July 2012, I posted the following: NSA Whistleblower: U.S. Government Creating Dossiers on Millions of Citizens. In it, I noted:

Bill Binney is no joke. He worked for the NSA for 30 years before resigning because of concerns he had regarding illegal spying on U.S. citizens in 2001. It seems that the claim I and many others have made for years, that the “War on Terror” is a gigantic fraud used to instill fear and further the creation of an unconstitutional surveillance state in America is absolutely true. The “terrorists” they have declared war on are the American people themselves. 

Mr. Binney thankfully has never stopped fighting for The Constitution that he swore to defend, unlike most other government officials who happily stomp all over the basic civil liberties enshrined in our founding document. He had some very choice words recently and it would be wise for all of us on planet earth to pay very close attention. We learn from the Guardian that:

William Binney is one of the highest-level whistleblowers to ever emerge from the NSA. He was a leading code-breaker against the Soviet Union during the Cold War but resigned soon after September 11, disgusted by Washington’s move towards mass surveillance.

 

“At least 80% of fibre-optic cables globally go via the US”, Binney said. “This is no accident and allows the US to view all communication coming in. At least 80% of all audio calls, not just metadata, are recorded and stored in the US. The NSA lies about what it stores.”

 

The NSA will soon be able to collect 966 exabytes a year, the total of internet traffic annually. Former Google head Eric Schmidt once argued that the entire amount of knowledge from the beginning of humankind until 2003 amount to only five exabytes.

 

He praised the revelations and bravery of former NSA contractor Edward Snowden and told me that he had indirect contact with a number of other NSA employees who felt disgusted with the agency’s work. They’re keen to speak out but fear retribution and exile, not unlike Snowden himself, who is likely to remain there for some time.

 

It shows that the NSA is not just pursuing terrorism, as it claims, but ordinary citizens going about their daily communications. “The NSA is mass-collecting on everyone”, Binney said, “and it’s said to be about terrorism but inside the US it has stopped zero attacks.”

Yep, as noted in the post: NSA Chief Admits “Only One or Perhaps Two” Terror Plots Stopped by Spy Program. Now back to the Guardian article.

“The Fisa court has only the government’s point of view”, he argued. “There are no other views for the judges to consider. There have been at least 15-20 trillion constitutional violations for US domestic audiences and you can double that globally.”

 

Binney recently told the German NSA inquiry committee that his former employer had a “totalitarian mentality” that was the “greatest threat” to US society since that country’s US Civil War in the 19th century. Despite this remarkable power, Binney still mocked the NSA’s failures, including missing this year’s Russian intervention in Ukraine and the Islamic State’s take-over of Iraq.

Well, I question the entire ISIS story and personally wonder if the U.S. is not perfectly fine with what is happening over there as a justification to future crackdown on civil liberties in the name of “fighting ISIS.”
With evidence that there could be a second NSA leaker, the time for more aggressive reporting is now. As Binney said: “I call people who are covering up NSA crimes traitors”.
Now watch this interview of Bill Binney from 2012:
 

Full article here.

 

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Fri, 07/11/2014 - 21:53 | 4949076 logicalman
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Secrets never protect those that said secrets are kept from.

 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 21:58 | 4949087 knukles
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Mr Binney, Mr Nailgun, Mr Nailgun, Mr Binney

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:01 | 4949095 DoChenRollingBearing
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An alert, prepared and armed citizenry is really our only protection from the New Statist Authoritarians.

Unless you are ready to leave the USSA.  

There are fewer and fewer good choices as each year that goes by.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:02 | 4949097 Keyser
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Too many secrets.........................

 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:29 | 4949150 Anusocracy
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Control is a very successful survival trait.

The operators of government are surviving at the expense of the controlled and only one in a hundred understands that.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:33 | 4949161 Skateboarder
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The telescreen. It's finally here.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:42 | 4949179 LetThemEatRand
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When one accepts that 9/11 was a planned event designed to give cover to the MIC/Intelligence Complex, it all makes perfect sense.  Without 9/11, people would not accept this.  

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:47 | 4949191 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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If only evil people enjoy privacy and wish to keep secrets, then the US government most be more evil than anything else on Earth, because it has the most secrets.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 23:07 | 4949232 MeMadMax
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Good luck controlling my ass...

I can easily disconnect from the grid because I could give a shit about computers, tv's, iPhones and all that other bullshit...

 

I guess being raised in montana, a native american, and a kickass former machinst mate in the navy has it's advantages...

 

Good luck to the masses when the SHTF...

 

I'll be nice and comfortable with power, lights, and even a TV, PS4, Computer running still...

 

Ironic considering the second sentence huh?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 23:41 | 4949270 J S Bach
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Folks... take heart.

 

All of this "Big Brother" shit is indeed happening, but like all lies - it cannot be sustained.  The lies of communism... the lies of usury... the lies of feminism... the lies of egalitarianism... etc, etc, etc... they cannot be maintained against the almighty laws of nature.

 

We are all in for a period of unprecedented suffering.  But, unless we are obliterated in a nuclear war, the truth will prevail.  It is up to those who KNOW the truth to rise during the upcoming crisis and - like our original founding fathers - right the ship of state.  Life is a perpetual struggle - good against evil.  We must keep these truths in mind as we flow into the vortex of change.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 01:50 | 4949391 Manthong
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Binney got screwed over by Bush, Gonzales and the rest of their crew when they freed the NSA to run amok and trample on the 4th Amendment after 9/11 as documented in this most excellent Frontline program..

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets/

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:26 | 4949689 Oh regional Indian
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Very apropos and deeply disturbing, you've got to read this...

John Rappoport....pan-opticon in Afghanistan....

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/07/11/the-war-inside-the-war-in-a...

 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:49 | 4951444 linniepar
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I am shocked. SHOCKED!

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 02:53 | 4951716 All Risk No Reward
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Circa 1970...

“The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.
? Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

“In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason.
? Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski

Between Two Ages...
http://www.webcitation.org/getfile.php?fileid=167fb50d6943c6a31a0874897c...

Circa 1965...

The Money Power Seeks to Create a World System of Financial Control in Private Hands Able to Dominate Every Nation on Earth

In addition to these pragmatic goals, the powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank, in the hands of men like Montagu Norman of the Bank of England, Benjamin Strong of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, Charles Rist of the Bank of France, and Hjalmar Schacht of the Reichsbank, sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.

~Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope (Clinton mentor (handler?) and Council on Foreign Relations historian)

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 08:49 | 4951908 Sean7k
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Let's think about those two quotes for a minute. Who gives away an entire strategy? Unless this is a blueprint for other like-minded masters of the races, it makes no sense to divulge the plans. 

That these plans have been put into effect for the last century are obvious, but these same plans have been germinating and growing since the Civil War. What is the need to control humanity? Why do you herd cattle?

Never take what your enemy gives you. Besides, can you really control everyone? Maybe in someone's childish fantasies. Just this website and other prepper sites illustrate the difficulty with this goal. Now, add in rural third world areas and wilderness communities or tribes. Total control is ridiculous.

So, why do you need to control a subset of the whole, people educated and trained to serve a master group? How many of this subset are really necessary to accomplish this task without creating manpower problems like those which were created by the plague and resulted in a more powerful serf class?

Do we really know the organizing force behind this rather elaborate plan and civil structure? Why the drugs and visual-audio attempts at mind control and dependency? As this plan starts long before science had identified many of the technologies necessary, who devised the plan?

Spending our time considering the effects of the plan are pretty worthless if we have failed to identify the ultimate goals of the Elites. Anyone can escape the grid and live a simpler life. There is a greater evil at work here and until we identify it, we are just barking dogs chasing our tails.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 17:56 | 4953386 All Risk No Reward
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They treat us like dumb animals because we act like dumb animals.

Oh, wait, Kissinger called us "dumb animals," right - see, I don't make this stuff up, I just observe what they actually do.

Do keep quiet about setting a mouse trap when you set it?  Why? 

Look who is on their $20 bill...  Andrew "I killed the bank" Jackson.

"The bank, Mr. Van Buren, is trying to kill me, but I will kill it."
~ Said to Martin Van Buren (8 July 1832) and quoted in The Autobiography of Martin Van Buren, published in Annual Report of the American Historical Association for the Year 1918, vol. II (1920), ed. John Clement Fitzpatrick, ch. XLIII (p. 625)
Referring to the Second Bank of the United States

"Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!"
~From the original minutes of the Philadelphia committee of citizens sent to meet with President Jackson (February 1834), according to Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States (1928) by Stan V. Henkels - online PDF

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson

Now, how many people this country are **aware** of this reality?

The Big Bad is easy to identify - The Debt Money Power...  the criminals that defined money as debt and who operatie this system is The Big Bad.

If anyone was more powerful than The Debt Money Power, THE FIRST THING THEY WOULD DO IS SEIZE THE MONEY POWER FOR THEMSELVES FOR OBVIOUS REASONS!

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 08:59 | 4949657 Monty Burns
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I'd like to this you're right but I'm not too sure.  You see all Western nations, especially the USA, are sitting on a demographic time bomb. Quite simply the people in which you place such hope will increasingly not be of the Founding Stock of America. They will have come from utterly different culturs and belief systems and will react very differently - as compared to the Founding Stock - to control mechanisms imposed from on high. 

At the risk of simplification those cultures see winning power and wealth for their own religion and/or ethnicity as the over-riding objective.  They won't mind heavy-handed control once they represent a finger or two of that hand.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:39 | 4949699 J S Bach
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Understood, Monty.

 

But, I also have faith in the various races and cultures finding their own paths once again (as nature dictates).  This natural separation will be tumultuous, especially as the golden goose of the higher races either refuse to - or simply cannot - give the largess that the invading and naturalized minorities have come to expect as "rights".

 

It won't be pretty, but it is inevitable.  The great experiments of socialism, egalitarianism and affirmative action have failed.  You simply can't push square pegs into round holes no matter how hard you try or want it. Standards have fallen throughout our society - both culturally and educationally - to conform to the lower common denominators... at least low as we used to know them in the West.  That's one of the tragic consequences of mixing so many different peoples into the "salad bowl".  Comparisons of achievement, behavior and potential become glaringly obvious and it shouldn't be that way.  All nations (races) should be free to follow their natural paths - unencumbered by the unnecessary burden of having to provide for those less capable.  And those "less capable" would be much more content in their lot living by their own innate tendencies.

 

I realize this is a broad outline and it may perturb some... as I know there are delinquents and ne'er-do-wells within all racial strata.  However, the generalities I posited are undeniable.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:46 | 4949745 AssFire
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Bach, let us not forget what happens next... Defeat and the end of our once great nation.

 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 12:05 | 4949886 Dublinmick
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I am sure that others like Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse and many others would agree with you if around today. They were once "living off the grid". They were free to follow their natural paths also until the less capable showed up. (That is us the European). All of the sudden the land was polluted, people pissing in the streams that were once pristine, game shortages, small pox, etc etc. With all of this technology we are looking at the possibility of many more Fukushimas world wide. Plutonium is the most dangerous substance ever introduced on this planet. Us Europeans are great with technology but have very little moral compass or wisdom. That is a dangerous combination.

This is written a bit tongue in cheek. We are in the iron age, so of course there are those who try to rule with iron weapons and technology. Had Europeans not colonized America and stamped out a natural society "living off the grid" as everyone is trying to do lately, others would have come along, maybe Japan, maybe somebody else and done pretty much the same. The native American certainly now understands what it is like to have a bad immigration policy (salad bowl). Standards began falling culturally and educationally. :) Even the buckskin, silver and stones the indians crafted to draw the schumann resonance of the earth have been overpowered by wifi, with a much lower cancer causing frequency by our "modern" society where most of us are so detached from ourselves and nature it is frightening to look at.

J.S. Bach

"It won't be pretty, but it is inevitable.  The great experiments of socialism, egalitarianism and affirmative action have failed.  You simply can't push square pegs into round holes no matter how hard you try or want it. Standards have fallen throughout our society - both culturally and educationally - to conform to the lower common denominators... at least low as we used to know them in the West.  That's one of the tragic consequences of mixing so many different peoples into the "salad bowl".  Comparisons of achievement, behavior and potential become glaringly obvious and it shouldn't be that way.  All nations (races) should be free to follow their natural paths - unencumbered by the unnecessary burden of having to provide for those less capable.  And those "less capable" would be much more content in their lot living by their own innate tendencies."

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 09:48 | 4951990 Lea
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Bach, you give a perfect example of the "us against them" vision that is empowering the wealthy 1% of America against its own people.

They think exactly like you, only against you hordes of unworthy penniless masses. It's the spirit of America, that "great country" where, at least, there is one thing in common between the haves and the have-nots: arrogance/hate for the inferiors.

Good day.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 09:38 | 4951963 Lea
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Monty Burns,

The alleged "founding stock" is tiny. America was built by a patchwork of immigrants from every European/Asian country, and has no other real founding stock than the Native American one, which was discarded.

Plus, the "founding stock" you allude to was already made up of a minute bunch of Protestants who seeked power and wealth for their own religion and/or ethnicity.

America is built on strife and a "might is right" outlook.

 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:00 | 4949660 Miggy
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Couldn't have said it better, Bach.

 

John 3:16

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:43 | 4949703 Agstacker
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http://biblehub.com/proverbs/22-7.htm

 

The rich rule over all of us, always have, always will.  

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:11 | 4949727 CH1
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Appreciate your post, JS, but "the ship of state" is inherently immoral and lies at the root of all this insanity.

State are INHERENTLY organized crime.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 01:42 | 4951660 Frankie Carbone
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I am conforted in knowing that we only have 50-100 years of this. Thanks. 

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 17:47 | 4951719 All Risk No Reward
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Forget taking heart, TAKE ACTION!  The police state is to control the population once the truth of this Debt Money Tyranny is eventually unleashed in mass poverty and Third Worldization of the former United State of America, current Debt Money Power Vichy Federalize and Financially Subjugated States of America.

If everyone stands up, they can't get us all.  If most people stand down, they will pick off the people who stand up with ease.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 05:14 | 4951764 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Well, feminism is a logical extension of humanism. That is not the issue with it. Rather, the problem is that "feminist" is becoming increasingly synonymous with "upper-middle class white female".

Colored & minority women, the same women who still suffer the most from conservatism and the influence of the religious right, and who also lack social mobility and financial independence most often compared to Western women, are systematically being marginalized and overlooked in many feminist debates. This is very worrying, because there is a distinctly far-right and racist logic to this pattern: So long as minority & colored women remain disadvantaged in society, and especially in the media, they also remain disadvantaged in the jobs market and in their free choice of men. This status quo helps to ensure that the privileges and the social status of Western white women remain untouched by these newcomers.

Ergo, the problem isn't with feminism itself. Rather, the issue is that a new, contemporary form of white supremacism seems to be increasingly co-opting this historical cultural movement. Feminism is slowly becoming less about securing basic rights for all women, regardless of ethnic background, and ever more about maintaining the privileges of Anglo Saxon white women in particular. I have learned not to believe in coincindences where far-right politics are involved.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 08:58 | 4951924 Borrow Owl
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Feminism equals racism?

What a complete and utter load of pigshit.

 

"Colored & minority women, the same women who still suffer the most from conservatism..."

Yeah, right.

Free EBT, free housing, free food, free education, free medical, racial preference for anything job or govenment related, etc., etc.

 

Methinks you need to pull your head out of your ass and take a look at what the rest of the world is doing.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 09:53 | 4951995 Sean7k
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If feminism is a useful concpt, what matters whom carries the standard? YOU want to define feminism in your own terms dependent on your view of whom it should constitute and benefit from it. Then you wield it as a weapon to attack a political religious establishment of your choice? Practice prejudice much?

We are all born into different policial and social realities which can define our opportunities. Within the limitations of human nature, you expect everyone to play according to some construct of "fairness" ? That type of naivete is lacking in any intellectual rigour.

No, what you really want to do is place a special consideration on a separate subset of the population, at the expense of others, others whom may have done all the heavy lifting.

Or, more likely, you just want to take a swipe at a group of people for your own personal reasons. I don't like religious conservatives, so this is why they need to be "reined in". Which is a form of exclusion in itself.

Perhaps you might consider the concept of tolerance? Universal tolerance is useful for woman of all colors as well as men. Instead of attempting to insult groups or exclude them, you might consider a more universal inclusion that values compassion over dissension? Anyone can tear down a social structure, it is much more difficult to build one that exhibits a social justice in line with the needs of a society.

 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 00:04 | 4949304 stant
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Yeah. Be alright if it was just me. Might have 2 others tough enough. The rest no

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 03:24 | 4949471 FreedomGuy
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Yeah, but you won't be good for long on your own.

While I appreciate your individual skills, the totalitarians will get to you eventually.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:18 | 4949734 rubiconsolutions
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"Good luck controlling my ass..."

You've already demonstrated that as a "kickass former machinist mate in the navy" that you can be controlled. Just because you have worked in dreadful heat, high humidity and with steam turbines doesn't exactly make you "kickass". What it means is that government schooling precluded you from doing anything other than sucking off the taxpayers teat and not smart enough to do anything but swelter down in the pit. And just because you are a "native american" doesn't mean a thing either. Native Americans have been controlled for the last one hundred and fifty years since Sherman exterminated them and put them on the res. But hey, thanks for your "service".

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:29 | 4949749 DaddyO
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Rubicon, are you stilling paying taxes?

Your point is well made, but unless you are willing to stop feeding the beast, you are complicit as well.

DaddyO

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 11:42 | 4949852 rubiconsolutions
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@DaddyO - I stopped feeding the beast years ago. Likewise, I take as little as physically possible from it. 

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 18:40 | 4953565 MeMadMax
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Hmmm... I guess you missed the point...

The navy and native american thing all combine to give me the skills to survive on my own in the middle of nowhere with the comforts of technology, especially when the shtf...

Also, military experiance gives me the edge to avoid and operate with impunity...

 

Control only works if you allow/want to be controlled...

 

The fact that I am paying attention to whats going on and doing something about it pretty much demolishes your comment...

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 13:04 | 4950010 HardAssets
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MeMadMax - they want to try to make it impossible for you to disconnect from their spider web.

Folks, check out the following article by Jon Rappoport:

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/07/11/the-war-inside-the-war-in-a...

 

Whistleblower Mr. Binney is a true hero. I disagree with him on one point however. IMO this is the greatest threat to America that has taken place during her entire history, even more dangerous than the violations of liberty during the Civil War. The technology is in place for a global prison.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 03:14 | 4951724 All Risk No Reward
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The NSA police state is a symptom of a Debt Money Tyranny...  the Debt Money Tyranny is far more dangerous as the evil they manage goes well beyond the NSA...

Debt Money Tyranny
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

Illegitimate wars, politicial assassination, bankrupting society through fraud, stealing homes, running the drugs into this country, laundering trillions in cash money, stealing trillions, turning food into nutrition free, pesticide and herbicide saturated ediblles, promoting an inflammation diet, polluting the medical establishment to maximize chronic disease and Big Pharma profits, militarizing the police, counterfeiting education with operant conditioned obeisance to Debt Money Power financed authority...  man, it is bad.  Real bad.

The Trivium Method - Gene Odening (entire) - what you should have been taught in school but weren't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AszYrxtzNQE

Trivium Resources - TragedyandHope.com
https://www.tragedyandhope.com/trivium/

Trivium Binder
http://triviumbinder.blogspot.com/

The Lost (Hidden!) Tools of Learning
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36325362/The-Lost-Tools-of-Learning

If you can't explain your systematic method of intellectual self-defence at a moment's notice...  it means you have no intellectual self-defense.

The Trivium is intellectual self-defense...  it is a mental anti-virus that protects one from the Debt Money Establishment's lies to maximize their debt accumulation of debt receipts (aka, money) and, by definition, society's inextinguishable debt.

Here is the Rosetta Stone to understanding the world...

The more debt receipts these criminals accumulate THE MORE POWER THEY HAVE RELATIVE TO SOCIETY AS A WHOLE and the more inextinguishable debt society has, THE LESS POWER WE HAVE RELATIVE TO THE DEBT MONEY TYRANTS.

That is the Great Game that will never be elucidated on live or delayed TeeVee **programming** for obvious reasons.

If you possess intellectual self-defense, you will know how to verify the veracity of this claim on reality...

Poverty - Debt is not a Choice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juQc0rLdB-E

How to be a Crook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oHbwdNcHbc

Renaissance 2.0 - Financial Empire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96c2wXcNA7A

Debunking Money - The Way the World Really Works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_yh4-Zi92Q

Bonus:

The Shadows of Power: The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline | James Perloff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_gj1uZ6194

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 01:12 | 4951639 aldousd
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Said the man who uses enough internet to post on ZH.com.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:47 | 4949195 Skateboarder
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Set/setting/people involved would not have mattered one bit. The key is an event. One that marks the end of one period and the beginning of another. EEEEVIL!

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 00:50 | 4949353 Hugh G Rection
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MIC/Intelligence yes, but don't leave out Israel.  Mossad was caught, hand in the cookie jar.

http://zionismsucks.com/2014/07/06/israeli-spies-caught-on-911/

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 20:15 | 4951112 Kirk2NCC1701
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All this is not news or a surprise to me. I've been warning you for a LONG time that what is actually going on at the deepest, most fundamental level, is a RETURN TO FEUDALISM.

Neo-Feudalism = 21st Century Global Feudalism = FEUDALISM 2.0

If you kids would stop kidding and deluding yourselves with all sorts of other BS and Distractions, and accept this Truth, the sooner you can direct your energies toward countering the Real Agenda.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 02:32 | 4951702 Duffy Duck
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planned by whom?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 08:59 | 4949656 Miggy
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1984. He didn't miss it by much.

 

John 3:16

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 08:09 | 4951871 Zero Point
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Yep. And they don't even always tell you the camera is in there.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:30 | 4949155 pods
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No reserve currency, no gigantic out of control government.

The snoops ain't gonna get paid in gold.

Avoid debt, crash the system.  

pods

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:06 | 4949105 rsnoble
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Fewer options is the problem.  I'm not going anywhere. Stand your ground, blow the motherfuckers away when they come for you.

All this 'patriotic' bullshit talk about 'if you don't like it you can leave'??? No thanks.  I'll stay.  It's some other motherfuckers that need to be leaving.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:09 | 4949113 Leraconteur
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Americans did nothing BUT leave. That's the definition of being American - you or your ancestor left another nation behind to move to the USA...even the Natives left Asia for North America...

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:25 | 4949141 booboo
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So americans left europe for....america? Okaaay

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:35 | 4949166 Anusocracy
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Some people need to read Sun Tzu.

You are outnumbered 50-1 by government lovers.

Expect a face full of lead for a good job of playing Abused Housewife.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:55 | 4949205 Freddie
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I think a good number of 14.6 million (paid) licensed hunters in the USA beg to differ with you.  I bet many have scoped .308 rifles.

http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/LicenseInfo/HuntingLicCertHistory20...

 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 23:01 | 4949222 Crawdaddy
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Not to mention the well armed people who don't want or need a license to hunt. Lots of peeps are passing on the "legal" path becuase they are concerned it is gun control bait.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:24 | 4949684 sessinpo
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I have a 308.

But even I realize that a simple EMP blast knocks out electricity for everyone for years. That means no traditional water and disruption of food supply. While deer are plenty now. During The Great Depression, they were hunted almost to extintion as people were just trying to survive.

90% of the population couldn't handle it. Quite frankly, I think that is their overall plan. After all, how many of these leftist have said the world is overpopulated? And wouldn't a smaller population be easier to control (in their minds)?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:34 | 4949754 centerline
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None of us should let the details cloud the bigger picture.  At the base, it is all about money and power.  Under that though, the foundation is food and potable water.  Cheap energy is what is keeps the gears turning.  Layered on top are other constraints as well such as social complexity.

Anyone can simply google historical population growth charts.  Sustainable?  No.  There is the answer.  Everything else is strained by population growth - except for one thing... debt-based monetary systems.  So, what wins the end?  Science or faith (fiat)?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 11:02 | 4949787 msmith9962
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cheap energy x debt base currency = exponential population growth. Remove cheap energy and get to the end of the ponzi and the biggest pop in history will occur.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 11:36 | 4949846 Harbanger
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How do you explain the fact that population in the west has been declining for years and the exponential pop. growth has been in those countries of the ME/east without cheap energy/currency?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 12:42 | 4949965 centerline
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Simple.  Globalizing combined with massive leverage.  Reality has been papered over.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 18:45 | 4950949 msmith9962
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Good point. I dont know. Industrialization? Debt saturation?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 15:00 | 4950380 gatorboat
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"I think a good number of 14.6 million (paid) licensed hunters in the USA beg to differ with you.  I bet many have scoped .308 rifles."

Armed yes.  Guts to launch a revolution no.

You're saying you have a purely defensive posture.   How is that going to "make politicians hang from lamp posts"?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:25 | 4949143 pods
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You want to follow that to it's logical conclusion there Mbeki?

pods

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 03:29 | 4949475 FreedomGuy
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That is the history of virtually all people. The totalitarians take over and the mass of people in the middle who are neither fighters nor idealogues try to leave. Look at virtually all communist countries. Generally, the unconnected individual or even a small group cannot fight the organized power of the State. The Puritans were not going to overthrow the monarchy and Church of England under any scenario. The choices were submit or flee. They fled, first to Holland, then the New World.

There is nowhere for Americans to flee. Individuals might try but not 300 million.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:06 | 4949667 Monty Burns
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I can only dream that White Americans and South Africans would/could flee to Europe and save us from ourselves.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 16:57 | 4950698 TheGardener
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Europe could take all Americans of European descent with ease. Germany hosts close to 20 million foreigners including naturalized undesirables. If things are arranged to turn for the better, they all can be replaced . UK and France same thing same numbers, Eastern Europe can add hard working people on those numbers if ethnically non-diluted, to Russia with love about the same if tsarist policies are re-invoked and even all the fringe freak nations that are up to no good would benefit from some American entrepreneurship so here the slightly diluted Latin Americans would still find a new home.

Welcome home, Europe`s demographics make this a must.

Did I count anyone out ? Well, empty malls and zombies.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:22 | 4949137 SMG
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I'm with you. Let's stay and fight.

Live free or die.

It's a win-win.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:17 | 4949676 Freewheelin Franklin
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Confucius say,

"Better to die like tiger than live like pussy" 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:55 | 4949202 EverythingEviL
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Go to Ann Barnhardts page. Sure she's a nutty Catholic but she posted a video yesterday that she made awhile back in which she is dead on right. Everyone in this country is complicit in letting this government do what they are doing. If you participate in the farce that is voting, you are complicit. Nothing will change until the majority of citizens are willing to physically spill blood and boot these mother fuckers out. There is no longer any other way.

http://www.barnhardt.biz

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 00:44 | 4949344 ILLILLILLI
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I refer to Ann as a "Cath-a-holic".

 

Despite her acting like a 14 year old who just discovered her parents liquor cabinet (with regard to religion), she is a woman with a good heart and a clear mind.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 03:13 | 4949456 disabledvet
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There is no such thing as "control" but there is such a thing as FEAR. Create the conditions whereby people feel their personage is threatened and they will ask if not demand the Government "get control."

I have witnessed in applied form BTW.

There is a "slight" fly in the oinkment, namely people stop participating in process that they know is in fact harming them.

"The arsonist as fireman" is not preventing the fire.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 03:13 | 4949457 disabledvet
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There is no such thing as "control" but there is such a thing as FEAR. Create the conditions whereby people feel their personage is threatened and they will ask if not demand the Government "get control." I have witnessed in applied form BTW. There is a "slight" fly in the oinkment, namely people stop participating in process that they know is in fact harming them. "The arsonist as fireman" is not preventing the fire.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:12 | 4949672 Monty Burns
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"she is a woman with a good heart and a clear mind."

Maybe, but she utterly fails the 9/11 Truth Test. She shrieks and stamps her tiny foot in rage at anyone who suggests the Official Coverup is untrue, and, God forbid you suggesting that there might be an involvement of YKW in the affair.

The evidence is so overwhelming and she is usually so well informed that she can only be a shill or a coward.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 17:21 | 4950751 TheGardener
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"she can only be a shill or a coward."

In pre-discrimination days you would just be referring to a female. The new discrimination entails that any brave woman should act better then any brave men.

If you happen to seriously listen to a woman as an adult something went wrong with your upbringing. A grown men`s ear filters out all the meaningless gossip just by the pitch of the voice, simple survival instincts. Bitching away about a
serious issue with gender specific argument will not cut.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 18:12 | 4950855 PrintemDano
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Her TRUE Catholicism is what gives her her clear mind.  The "new Catholic Church"  since Vatican II has destroyed 99.9% of Catholics Catholicism....  This faux Catholic Church heretofore Novus Ordo  is the enemy along with every other non True Catholic religion....When voting did matter the new Novus Ordo  has convinced people that it's okay to do whatever you want, there will be and are no repurcussions...this is the world in which we live and will soon probably die fighting tomorrow....Read all of Ann she is pretty damn smart....and never pulls punches....

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 03:35 | 4949479 FreedomGuy
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I have seen several of her videos and I like the credit default swap and economic meltdown series. It was the MF Global, Jon Corzine deal that caused her to bolt the system. She is scarey intelligent and no fear, but I think she has a fatalistic martyr complex.

I almost wonder if she is a sort of prophet of our times and just about as popular as the Old Testament ones.

BTW, is Jon Corzine still free? Is he still rich?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 04:32 | 4949515 Skateboarder
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Ann's got crazy eyes and I think she's hawt.

God's good girl for sure.

<3 you Ann.

edit: His kid Jeff died. J. Corzine would ideally be offering his Mourner's Lament, but I wouldn't be surprised if he made money off his own son's death.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 01:37 | 4951656 Tall Tom
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She is God's good girl. Amen to that.

 

Although I do not like Catholicism I have nothing but respect for that gal.

 

You just cannot agree on everything. But when she speaks I believe, without any doubt, that she speaks that which she believes is true. It is a direct manifestation of that which is in her heart.

 

That is nothing more than that which is deserving of my highest respects. I thank God Almighty for her.

 

She values that which I value. That is the truth...no matter how ugly. (Now that was a wonderful talk that she gave about that topic.)

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:55 | 4949776 MrButtoMcFarty
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GOP=DEM=INC

Nothing changes until K Street burns.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:10 | 4949115 BlindMonkey
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Would you recommend Peru based on your experience?  I was looking to NZ and then they re-entered the gang of 5.  Now I am looking to South America.  (Anybody bring up Simon and I will go ape shit on you.  Fair warning...)

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:13 | 4949121 TungstenBars
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gang of 5?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:17 | 4949129 johngaltfla
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Dear NSA:

 

Suck my crotch lint.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:20 | 4949134 TungstenBars
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wut? lol

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 04:08 | 4949503 Doña K
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@ Blind Monkey

If you are serious on starting anew, consider Botswana. Landlocked country in southwest Africa, lots of rivers, abundant water, wild life, nature, not too crowded, English speaking, many opportunities in becoming a turist guide, farm owner utilizing local labor, peaceful and if you want some different excitement, you can get a short flight to Cape Town. Worth checking by visiting. 

 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 17:31 | 4950774 TheGardener
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`consider Botswana`

Great place and country, but her neighbors established the
habit of apartheid against white people and the whole of Africa is viewed by the locals to be better of without
a single white man let ashore.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 02:14 | 4951691 August
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Well, at least Africa gave us science and mathematics.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 23:16 | 4949248 TungstenBars
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damn. 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 07:24 | 4949592 Keyser
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This crap has been known for decades, but what do the sheeple do?   Baaaaahhhhhhhhhh.....

 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 23:06 | 4949230 groundedkiwi
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echelon

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:31 | 4949142 Moustache Rides
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I had been looking at countries like Costa Rica or Ecuador.  Someone brought up Argentina in another thread.  I ended up hitting a wall because i'm having trouble figuring out how to make it "work" down there.  I think taking a few trips would help get the feel better for whether a place might be viable or not.  They are 3rd world countries keep in mind.  Land is way cheaper though, so that's nice.  Integrating into a new country's economy might be a challenge. But, I suppose, those countries are going to have to progress economically along the same line as the 1st world countries have,  so maybe just introduce businesses there like were introduced here.  I mean you could open a chain of 7/11's down there and provide a service that doesn't exist yet. 

I'd love to hear thoughts on what countries in central and south america might be viable to avoid the shitstorm that's more than likely coming to the U.S. 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:35 | 4949164 Sheppy
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Belize is a little slice of heaven in central america. English speaking, and has an exchange agreement for the dollar. Loads of ex-pats down there. Cheap to live, cheaper to eat. And hurricanes tend to head north of there and hit meheeko. Honeymooned there... it was awesome! Some of the best diving the world has to offer. Total population: 300k... it's empty

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:43 | 4949188 AlaricBalth
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Belize? I happen to know of a new Internet social media company in Belize City. It's supposed to revolutionize the industry. Cynk Technologies is its name. I just heard about it through an email I received from a stock promoter. Check it out.

;-)

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 23:04 | 4949226 Yes We Can. But...
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I'm heading for Kerguelen

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 00:03 | 4949301 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Got a link for their website? <sarc>

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:25 | 4949685 Monty Burns
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Well if you had some of those "death squads" in Chicago or Detroit the local vibrant urban youths wouldn't be terrorizing the place like they do now.  I know from some time in Brazil that squads like these are the only way to keep control, to enable ordinary law abiding people walk the streets safely and be safe within their homes. 

I know it's a lousy system and reflects an unfair structure of society. But if for historical reasons that's what you're stuck with, as is increasingly the case in urban USA, you have few alternatives.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:48 | 4949761 centerline
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Well, dont you dare look funny on any given day there MB - maybe move a little wrong - or demonstrate any sort of temper in public.  You might get a bullet between your eyes from a so called Death Squad.  Oh, and by your own sanctioning it would be legal.

I don't doubt that is is coming.  Because people like you (and my father in-law too) will welcome it - at first.  It is how Hilter came to power.  History repeats.  And ironic how the children of those who fought against Hilter (aka boomers) will usher in the next iteration.

 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 11:58 | 4949859 dizzyfingers
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The headline... "Control" world population, in the police sense? Or reduce? I'm thinking the latter is preferred. That could happen through natural forces. 100,000 here,  100,000 there... 230,000 killed by Indian Ocean tsunami. It adds up. Of course meantme replacement numbers are high, for now. Much  of "the West" is losing population. TPTB that want reduction better be careful what they wish for.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 11:52 | 4949867 Monty Burns
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I'm not talking about normal reasoably lawful uni-racial societies. I specifically mentioned Detroit and Chicago.  How are they and similar disfunctional societies working out for you? Fact is you can't operate such societies under the constraints of a 'normal' democratic societies. 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 12:53 | 4949986 centerline
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So the alternative is Judge Dredd?

I am not saying that I have the answers.  What I AM saying is to beware what you advocate.  In this case, authoriing limited totalitarian behavior.  THIS is how and why history repeats.  We HAVE to find better answers.  And that begins at the local level - communities.

Also, stop and think for about the corollary of your argument... democratic societies can be undermined by creating adverse conditions (or allowing them to develop).  Even our founding fathers warned us that democracy is hard to hold onto.  And here at the edge of the cliff you are confirming this.

Dude... think about it - keeping in mind that you and I are only a few degrees of seperation here - not taking opposite positions at all.  There really are no good answers.  But, looking at centralization (the cause of the problem) for the solution is not logical.

 

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 00:50 | 4951617 NidStyles
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None of the founding guys advocated democracy. In fact they all decried it as mob rule.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 01:39 | 4951659 Tall Tom
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Thomas Jefferson favored a revolution every twenty years...

 

We are long overdue.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:55 | 4949203 Calmyourself
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All true, I know!  Until the SHTF then you are fish food,

your Americano ass is grass..  It is not about hiding out it is about winning..

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 00:50 | 4949350 essence
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You seem to be looking for an easy out. Sorry,  Shangri La's are in short supply these days.

Just about any latin country would be viable if you could learn functional Spanish and lose the american attitude.

Better yet, learn multiple languages and become international. Arbitrage the loopholes (which exist, despite the globalists attempts to close them).

That would be the best investment you could make

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 18:29 | 4950896 TheGardener
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"Better yet, learn multiple languages and become international. Arbitrage the loopholes (which exist, despite the globalists attempts to close them).
That would be the best investment you could make"

I beg to differ : been there, done that. And was rich enough to do so to start with.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 11:19 | 4949815 Monty Burns
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100 years ago Argentina had one of the highest per capita incomes in the world. There was a phrase 'rich as an Argentinian'.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 17:42 | 4950795 TheGardener
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"so maybe just introduce businesses there like were introduced here"

Nobody needs chains stupid gringo.

Arable land is even more expensive, but that should not concern you because only swamps are offered to foreigners.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 23:58 | 4949295 DoChenRollingBearing
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BlindMonkey

Actually, our "Plan B" country is Peru, but we have our company there and nice & decent in-laws there (who run the company as well).  So, we have an "infrastructure" there.  The company owes me money, so...

Peru is probably NOT the right choice for many people, as it is far away and relatively poor.  Spanish is absolutely a requirement for Peru.

If you have no ties to a country (but do have, say, $200,000) then Costa Rica, Panama, Uruguay and Chile might be better bets.

EDIT:

For any candidate country, Bearing Guy recommends that you spend AT LEAST eight weeks there checking it out.  Seeing lawyers.  Eating the food.  Working on the language.  Eight weeks minimum, and "working" while there.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 00:46 | 4949347 RaceToTheBottom
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I agree with your 8 week trail run period, including working.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 00:46 | 4949348 RaceToTheBottom
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dup

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 08:47 | 4949644 insidious
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If things really went to hell in the US I think one result might be a global recession or depression. I wonder how safe (how much of a target?) American's with money, living in third world countries, might be?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:07 | 4949719 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The key is finding people who will hire an Americano in the first place and not for some high end corporate job. This where the ex-pats come in if they really are 'patriots' as far enabling the underground railroads to get the people out from the jaws of the beast before it finally clamps down on everyone.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 17:58 | 4950829 TheGardener
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My 3 month rule back than did not help either.
Just buy a local property or business and when all
the taxing letters from local authorities fly in you will feel the pain like back home.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:16 | 4949674 Monty Burns
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I have afreind who sold up and 'escaped' to Uruguay. Says it's great once you put up with some annoying and corrupt local government interference.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 07:38 | 4949597 skidsmango1
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Oh, vomit...the guns guys.  Do you live in the US?  If you don't then why the bullsht?  Just time on your hands?

 

 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 07:44 | 4949602 Montezuma
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Not the hill billy militia again? How about we start with getting rid of big money in politics and elect people who actually reign in the beast, I mean they decide the funding.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:17 | 4949736 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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You have to fix things from the bottom up when they get this bad. Top down won't fix shit. Problem with bottom up is if the people are shit then it don't really matter. You got to fix the people first and the system will fix itself. Only way you can do that is through enlightnment until the light bulb goes off then you can do something.

The rub is the world is a big place and there are a core of those that aren't shit really need to get the fuck out of dodge to be around for the rebuild process since the implosion is going to take a lot of people under with it. It is a long term hedge against tyranny since once the implosion happens they may just come back with the resources and tools from the outside needed to rebuild that get lost in the implosion. Freedom and liberty will ring again just not in the US now or anytime soon. Unless the people change nothing changes, if that happens then I'll reassess this and possibly change my stance once I see otherwise. Like with any investment there comes a point you need to cut your loses.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:58 | 4949779 centerline
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DCH,

My take on this is that we are heading into a full-on crash and subsequent chaos.  If bad enough, even a police state will break down.

But, one thing is for certain, we are in "overshoot" territory.  The opportunity to correct course from the bottom up or top down was missed a long time ago.

I agree that bottom up is what is going to happen.  But first, there is pain.  Lots of it.  Question is whether it creeps up slowly and explodes in our face - or does it just accelerate.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:33 | 4949695 FlyingDutchman
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We're working on that. Comment by comment, argument by argument, not as fast as we would like, but forward we go.

I despair sometimes, but I never give up and let these bastards have it.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 10:14 | 4949731 MaxThrust
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USSA                    "United surveillance states of America"

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 11:53 | 4949869 All_Your_Base
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the "states" being:

Fear

Despair

Anger

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 14:43 | 4950323 gatorboat
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"An alert, prepared and armed citizenry is really our only protection from the New Statist Authoritarians."

Then there is no protection, because we don't have an alert prepared armed citizenry in America.  

Armed yes.  Alert maybe.  But prepared no.  

We're 13 years into overt in-your-face tyranny, and no action at all from "patriots".

Leave America or get used to living in the new 21st century version of communism.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 04:45 | 4951766 Seahorse
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If you leave, they'll follow you.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 06:14 | 4951810 o.t.p.s
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And where would you be going Dochenrollingbearing? We are somewhat rulled by the same overlords arround the world.

People could get guns, but the overlords are bringing better and bigger guns.......... Stop spending money and paying taxes, starf them..

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:57 | 4949193 Took Red Pill
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No, for some reason they leave him alone. He came forward years ago

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 01:05 | 4949362 Crawdaddy
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He is immune - Packer's shirt keeps him safe

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 04:31 | 4949520 Doña K
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Consider this:

"In Switzerland, at the privacy conference, Mr. Binney spoke from a wheelchair. His right foot was amputated in February because of an infection that spread to his bones and was hard to fight because he suffers from diabetes. The infection returned in August, forcing doctors to amputate his right leg below the knee. In 2010, his left leg was amputated below the knee for similar reasons."

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304202204579252022823658850

 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 23:10 | 4949236 DeadFred
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How this guy is still walking around is a mystery to me. He must have loads of data set to auto-release unless he punches in the right code every month. Either that or he's a plant of some type. I can't imagine how so I'll stick with believing he's a hero.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 23:35 | 4949260 Frankie Carbone
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That's what was one of the options that I considered. So actually there are two. 

1. He's a disinformation agent, because, well,.... he's not dead. 

2. He has a dead man's switch on a data/information bomb that is the only thing that keeps him alive. He's got one or more friends with a hard drive, kept offline, that will dump a ton of damning, "eyes only" hyperclasified information on the net the minute he expires and the threat is credible because he is still alive. USA.com has no idea who this person or persons are, although I bet their spending 10M or more a year trying to find out. 

Too many people think "the guy is alive so he must be a plant". That's not necessarily true. It's myopic, pigeonholed thinking. Think outside the box, and one of the best ways to do that is to assume the role, walk in the shoes of the man in every possible scenario. EVERYONE in Fight Club, I want you to put yourself in this guy's shoes. If you were legit, and were to dump damning, highly treasonous classified information then would you not save some of the most damning, if not thee most damning stuff as a "keep alive policy" or a "keep out of prison policy"? 

A nation that will kill half a million civilians for control over oil fields in Iraq is not beneath threatening loved ones. Why? Well, they know that there are many of us that would die for their country (their country, not USA.com). But would you be willing to allow your daughter to die on your behalf for your nation? The mafia figured this out decades ago. 

That's also what could be going on with Snowden. The show may not be Snowden, it may be USA.com putting on a grand theatre because they can't touch him, but don't want to appear impotent to other potential whistleblowers by not at least putting on an aggresive show of trying to apprehend him. 

A tacit wink. Keep your mouth shut and we'll put on a show, we'll smear you, we'll kill your reputation and we'll huff and puff and ..... do not much at all. 

As long you those thumbsticks never reach the light of cyberspace. BTW, Edward, I heard that your sister has a potential cancer gene in her. What a shame that would be to the family if if you released the juicy stuff, and we had to take you out, and then your poor little (sister/brother) got leukemia and died 3 months later. That would absolutely crush your parents, wouldn't it? 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 01:09 | 4949366 Crawdaddy
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All good observations. I look forward to the whistle blower who is inarticulate, angry, and non-telegenic, and has proof of shit that results in bad people fired/jailed/killed. Or all three.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 09:38 | 4949700 Took Red Pill
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He says he didn't take any hard evidence with him so maybe that's why they leave him alone.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 02:56 | 4949441 Paveway IV
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"...A nation that will kill half a million civilians for control over oil fields in Iraq..."

More believable estimates: slightly over a million if you count both wars, the deaths resulting directly from the 90's U.S. economic sanctions (mostly children and elderly) after the first Gulf war, and the thousands that died at the hands of the Interior Ministry death squads - trained and armed by the U.S. 

U.S. military casualty and death numbers were 'managed' fairly aggressively as well in Iraq - it was closer to ten thousand. Ask any medic or corpsman that was there. All kinds of counting tricks to fool the public. Die on an evac chopper and you were not counted as an in-country death for the pentagon PR machine (but were considered a combat casualty for benefits). Die on a hospital ship or the C-141 evac flights, and you were not an in-country statistic.

They lied about everything in Iraq, except the part where KBR transported bags of ice cubes to guys in Kuwait inside stinking, unsanitized referidgerated trucks - ones that had been previously used as morgue trailers. And who owns KBR?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 03:41 | 4949483 FreedomGuy
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How did we get Saddam to invade Kuwait so we could invade Iraq? Why didn't we keep Kuwait? If we want oil why don't we go to the big prizes of the Saudi's or Emirates? What's the theory?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 06:21 | 4949527 Frankie Carbone
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Freedom Guy: "How did we get Saddam to invade Kuwait so that we could invade Iraq?"

Frankie: Easy, Bush Sr. double crossed him. Saddam claimed that Kuwait.com was drilling horizontally into Iraq.com reserves and informed the CEO of USA.com of his intent and received a tacit nod for one subsidiary to replace the management of the other and fire its union organizers ("fire" meaning execute). Then when he invaded, or attempted to dump the local management, The Anglo-American Establishment Group (AAEG.com), a private hedge fund specializing in the acquistion of once-sovereign nations, decided in their board meeting to double cross him, for internal corporate political reasons. This was done because the local Voters Union at USA.com does not like forced changes in management of subsidiary nation assets and corporate campus labor issues would have resulted without a plausibly deniable pretense for the re-org. In fact, Bush is on the Board of Directors, so this was the business plan all all along. Why get the milk at a discount when you can steal the cow, right? Nothing more than internal corporate politics. They threw a junior regional VP of AAEG.com under the bus because there is a move to stratify management and eliminate middle layers of such that exist between production and the Sr. Leadership of AAEG. FYI. USA.com is a subsidiary of AAEG.com and at the time, Bush was also CEO. The local labor pool refers to him as "President" or "Mr. President". 

Iraq.com may have some of the largest production capacities of energy in the entire company and AAEG.com Sr. Leadership had a vote of no confidence in it's VP of Operations, so they decided to install new management. Other nation companies in the region to which AAEG.com has a partial or controlling interest in are slated for management purges, but corporate still has some worries about The Voters Union so they still play some sleight of hand insider corporate politics to keep the Voters Union under wraps. 

AAEG.com is an interesting Holding Company in that their corporate headquarters' locations are split between downtown NYC and the City of London. Corporate Operations Center is Located in the District of Cash-ola. The Voters Union gets to choose from two options who the the VP of Operations is (also called CEO of USA.com) but the Board of Directors reserves the right to fire him for non-performance like they did with former AAEG.com VP and CEO of USA.com John F. Kennedy. AAEG.com's HR rep, CIA.org, also put CEO Ronald Reagan on a performance improvement plan once he got a bit too autonomous and uppity in terms of addressing too many of The Voters Union's concerns, which is a violation of the terms of agreement for employment. That notice was sent to him by a courier by the name of John Hinkley. 

Freedom Guy: "Why didn't we keep Kuwait?"

Frankie: Simply because although the American Human Resource Pool is stupid, in the early 90's they were not THAT stupid, and labor at that subsidiary was still partially organized back then so refusing to consider the impact it would have had on The Voters union could have resulted in a major strike at the corporate headquarters campus USA.com.  It took another generation for USA.com to fix their supply chain issue with autonomous thinking human resources before they could get THAT brazen. Besides, it goes against their business model. AAEG.com generally doesn't own most of their nations anymore than majority stockholders own companies. They merely control nation assets, which is more economically beneficial and has a higher rate of return. So what exactly is the business interest in the outright purchase of a nation via hostile takeover when you can get what you want merely by owning appropriate shares in said asset? 

Freedom Guy: "If we want oil why don't we go for the big prizes of the Saudi's or Emirates?"

Frankie: Easy answer to that one. Saudi.com is the epicenter of the Islamic faith in the ME manufacturing and rigged trade zone. If they had attempted to do that, then they would have serious unionization issues with their human resources in that region, supply chain disruptions in both human capital and energy, and risk that labor there may have engaged in its own hostile takeover of several wholly owned subsidiary nations in the region, which would have caused profits to plunge. Same thing with Emirates.com. It would have disrupted both labor and management of Saudi Arabia.com, which would have had the same effect. Workers, or local human resources having input in the internal managerial operations of a nation company is an anethma to AAEG.com, to the point where they have re-programmed their human resource reserves at their corporate campus (USA.com) to equate self rule and autonomy as a form of *cue ghastly Vincent Price voice and scary dissonant piano music*  S-O-C-I-A-L-I-S-M! Most robotic human manufacturing units in USA.com wouldn't know socialism if it walked up to them, kicked them in the balls, and said HI, I'M SOCIALISM! They confuse statism with socialism and anything that's not 100% to the benefit of AAEG shareholders as socialist management. 

Frankie: In other news, the skuttlebutt around the water cooler is that layoffs are coming, which are also known as R.I.P (reduction in people), downsizing, or depopulation. Apparently AAEG.com has considered the carrying cost of such an immense labor forces as uneconomical. They are already at work, pink slipping the bottom 10% performers which are located in Africa, the Middle East, and the Third world corporate sectors, but their going up the ladder rapidly and soon even top performers may get their TERMINATION notice. Greece.com, Spain.com, and Italy.com are having their dead wood cut from the labor force, and that is expected to accelerate. USA.com's labor pool is experiencing a massive cut in salary and benefits and there is fear of impending labor riots so corporate security (Homeland Security and US military) are gearing up just like the Pinkertons did during the turn of the century. History repeats itself except this time the event is scaled up big time. One more thing. The hostile takeover of Ukraine.com is very interesting as AAEG.com's rivals, Russia, LLC. and China, Inc. are also vying for that small company due to its high Internal Rate of Return. Watch for the stock price on Ukraine.com to be bid up in the near future and both sides spending a ton of their personal human capital trying to acquire it. Finally, Russia, LLC isn't too crazy about AAEG's monopolistic practices and attempts to steal markets and small nation companies away from their geographical market space, so that could lead to some company-to-company sabotage efforts, on a huge scale, but similar to what John D. Rockefeller did to competitor oil companies in the early 1900s. 

Also, a spokesman for the company store (for it's employees) Wal-Mart, recently made comments regarding potentially bad earnings reports this year. I wonder if he'll get pink-slipped for that? 

Word also has it that AAEG's credit union JP Morgan Chase, has an issue with the VP of operations there. The company newsletters and Intranet videocasts are stating that he has throat cancer. I wonder if he got PIP'ed for some transgression? 

There might be a re-branding in the future if AAEG can get effective control over it's rivals Russia, LLC and China, INC. Word has it that they might change their name to New World.Org with a new majority stockholder by the name of AntiChrist taking over the reigns of the company as President, CEO, and Chairman of the Board. Labor will love him for the first 3 and a half years, until he sucker punches them with an attempt to pink slip 100% of all employees that refuse to suck up to him and grovel. Those that refuse the company logo tat' (tattoo) will get pink slipped immediately and will be barred from using the credit union or company store prior to the pink slip. 

Word also is that The Creator, an entity like the SEC, only holy (not wholly) moral and absolutely effective, will step in after 7 years of complete mismanagement under this ass hole and his self-serving minions, will exact perfect justice, and mete out eternal life sentences to the CEO and the entire management structure, for violations of universally unfair labor practices. You will know when the horn-like sirens from their police cruisers show up and you hear them. This will followup with a shock team of prosecutors called The Four Horsemen, who will arrest all the suckups first. All labor pool suckups to management will also receive the same sentence. It will then take fiduciary control over the entire company and the remaining labor will love him for it. 

That's all I have regarding corporate rumors floating around, for now. 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 07:01 | 4949582 BigJim
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 How did we get Saddam to invade Kuwait so we could invade Iraq? Why didn't we keep Kuwait? If we want oil why don't we go to the big prizes of the Saudi's or Emirates? What's the theory?

As long as they keep demanding USD for oil, we effectively DO own their oil; the local dictators are just acting as middle management, and adding a layer of plausible deniability for the Western electorates and equally hoodwinked locals.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 08:59 | 4949658 NidStyles
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Socialism in a finite world with scarcity looks like Fascism/State Communism. Until energy is no long the primary hinderance to human progress, scarcity will always be THE primary concern. That means that the state has the power when you try to "eliminate" scarcity without the energy to support it. 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 03:48 | 4949491 FreedomGuy
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My simplistic belief is that his publicity has kept him alive, similar to Snowden. You cannot hide from the CIA-NSA surveillance aparatus, at least for long and if you disappeared no one would know. You have to walk out in broad daylight and hope the preponderance of cameras will keep you alive.

The second factor is arrogance. Look, there is no revolution because of him, Snowden, the IRS scandal, Benghazi, endless executive orders or anything else the government is doing. The latest episode of America's got Talent probably has higher awareness and ratings. Throw in the loyalists of either "Bush did no wrong." and "Obama can do no wrong." and why bother offing Binney? It just makes more trouble and gives the brain dead press and the last ten honest members of Congress an extra reason to do queries. Leave him alone and deflect...but keep working, keep building, keep progressing 24/7.

Only in the last stages when all is set to go will autocracy reveal itself. Binney can chirp on till that time with little harm.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 04:22 | 4949516 Frankie Carbone
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In my opinion the press is neither incompetent, nor brain dead at all. No, I think they are EXTREMELY effective at accomplishing what they set out to do. 

Keeping the public adequetely informed of the truth is not one of them. That's where I think you are getting confused. 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 14:24 | 4950265 Kobe Beef
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You're correct. How many publishers, editors, and PR men attend CFR meetings? 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 23:24 | 4949243 Frankie Carbone
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heart attack or rapid form of lung cancer are also potential options for "off-ing someone". This stuff was developed in the 60's for God's sake. Does anyone really think it's sci-fi?  

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 03:49 | 4951744 bunnyswanson
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Peter Jennings, who had displayed disbelief at the way 911 unfolded, was a smoker but how curious that he disappeared so quickly. 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 00:14 | 4949314 Son of Captain Nemo
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Mr Binney, Mr Nailgun, Mr Nailgun, Mr Binney...

And with where we've been and what we've already seen since the pandora's box was opened to take away all our liberties and make it a totalitarian state starting with 9/11, Patriot Act(s), NDAA the invasion of Afghansitan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine... rendition and torture through Abu Ghraib, Camp Buca, Guantanamo and our own washed away civil liberties...

I'd rather take that nail to the head than become the "traitor" that dies an old man or woman in bed that Binney speak of!

Speaks volumes for the rest that still refuse to follow the rule of law after everything this Government has done to the rest of the World in the fear and intimidation department that sold out for the "paycheck"!

Hope I die young and noble!

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 05:12 | 4951778 Jannn
Fri, 07/11/2014 - 21:59 | 4949090 Lower Class Elite
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Cue totally accidental hot tub heart attack drowning incident for Mr. Binney in 3... 2... 1...

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:02 | 4949096 holdbuysell
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And the self-absorbed, dumbed-down, narcissistic sheople of America will be shocked, shocked when they are hauled away for 'squeezing the Charmin' in what they thought was a private place.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:03 | 4949100 rsnoble
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It will never work.  Like trying to contain a huge bag of wet shit. It will end up everywhere.  Disaster is the only outcome.  There will be too many of us squirming out the sides and they'll never give up on some bullshit dream of theirs so the outcome is anything but the decades most famous word debacle.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 15:19 | 4950449 gatorboat
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Uhhhhhh, they already have contained you.  Taxes taken from your paycheck before you get it.   Pay annual taxes on your home or they take it away from you. 

They already have enslaved the people through taxes.   It's all the enslavement they really want.  Just taxes.  Just keep the money coming in.

 

 

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:07 | 4949103 Leraconteur
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Is the NSA's data centre in Utah an attempt by the US .Gov to attain The Singularity first before any other group, person, corporation, society or government?

Processing ALL human communications would allow them to profile human personalities and thinking, and create AI...they have the bandwidth, the storage capacity, the processing power, and the money...

What would the precursor to a global intelligent machine look like? It would look like what is being built in Utah.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:07 | 4949110 rsnoble
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Look where human intelligence has got us.  Exactly what kind of AI would they be creating?  The perfect fuckhead?

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 22:55 | 4949206 Yes We Can. But...
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I believe that, with that last sentence, you've hit upon the title of General Alexander's autobiography.

The NSA makes me very angry.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 02:25 | 4951695 bunnyswanson
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http://www.bollyn.com/the-israeli-criminals-behind-the-nsa-spy-scandal/

The Israeli Criminals Behind the NSA Spy Scandal

June 13, 2013

At the center of the NSA scandal is a gang of Israeli high-tech criminals which is connected to the false-flag terror attacks of 9-11. These connections underline the involvement of the same Israeli criminals to both 9-11 and the NSA's secret program to collect and store our personal information and conversations, which came about mainly as a consequence of 9-11.

Two Israeli companies, Narus and Verint, are involved in the National Security Agency (NSA) spy scandal in which copies of our phone calls and email data are sent to secret rooms at NSA buildings across the country. These Israeli companies are closely connected to Unit 8200, the electronic espionage unit of the Israeli military. (Narus was acquired by Boeing in 2010.)

- See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/the-israeli-criminals-behind-the-nsa-spy-scandal/#...

Israel ... the word you see whenever and whereever there is trouble.

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Contain this sorry excuse for a country before history is forced to REPEAT ITSELF and not to find a home for the Rothschild's stolen loot.

The Israeli Criminals Behind the NSA Spy Scandal

June 13, 2013

At the center of the NSA scandal is a gang of Israeli high-tech criminals which is connected to the false-flag terror attacks of 9-11. These connections underline the involvement of the same Israeli criminals to both 9-11 and the NSA's secret program to collect and store our personal information and conversations, which came about mainly as a consequence of 9-11.

Two Israeli companies, Narus and Verint, are involved in the National Security Agency (NSA) spy scandal in which copies of our phone calls and email data are sent to secret rooms at NSA buildings across the country. These Israeli companies are closely connected to Unit 8200, the electronic espionage unit of the Israeli military. (Narus was acquired by Boeing in 2010.)

- See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/the-israeli-criminals-behind-the-nsa-spy-scandal/#... The Israeli Criminals Behind the NSA Spy Scandal

June 13, 2013

At the center of the NSA scandal is a gang of Israeli high-tech criminals which is connected to the false-flag terror attacks of 9-11. These connections underline the involvement of the same Israeli criminals to both 9-11 and the NSA's secret program to collect and store our personal information and conversations, which came about mainly as a consequence of 9-11.

Two Israeli companies, Narus and Verint, are involved in the National Security Agency (NSA) spy scandal in which copies of our phone calls and email data are sent to secret rooms at NSA buildings across the country. These Israeli companies are closely connected to Unit 8200, the electronic espionage unit of the Israeli military. (Narus was acquired by Boeing in 2010.)

- See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/the-israeli-criminals-behind-the-nsa-spy-scandal/#... In a rare and candid admission to Forbes, Retired Brig. Gen. Hanan Gefen, a former commander of the highly secret Unit 8200, Israel’s NSA, noted his former organization’s influence on Comverse, which owns Verint, as well as other Israeli companies that dominate the U.S. eavesdropping and surveillance market. “Take NICE, Comverse and Check Point for example, three of the largest high-tech companies, which were all directly influenced by 8200 technology,” said Gefen. “Check Point was founded by Unit alumni. Comverse’s main product, the Logger, is based on the Unit’s technology.” - See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/the-israeli-criminals-behind-the-nsa-spy-scandal/#... In a rare and candid admission to Forbes, Retired Brig. Gen. Hanan Gefen, a former commander of the highly secret Unit 8200, Israel’s NSA, noted his former organization’s influence on Comverse, which owns Verint, as well as other Israeli companies that dominate the U.S. eavesdropping and surveillance market. “Take NICE, Comverse and Check Point for example, three of the largest high-tech companies, which were all directly influenced by 8200 technology,” said Gefen. “Check Point was founded by Unit alumni. Comverse’s main product, the Logger, is based on the Unit’s technology.” - See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/the-israeli-criminals-behind-the-nsa-spy-scandal/#...

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