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Merkel Slams Obama's "Cold War" Espionage "Doesn't Belong In 21st Century"

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On the heels of John Kerry's accusation that Russia's behavior does not belong in the 21st century, Germany's Angela Merkel has come out swining against the escalating spying scandal with the US (which saw allegations that the US had recruited two Germans to sell secrets this week). During an interview with ZDF, the German leader blasted “that we have different perceptions on the work of intelligence services," adding that "we don’t live in the Cold War anymore." The White House's response, so far, a shrug of 'business-as-usual' from Josh Earnest; which fits with Merkel's conclusion: "I think it's not that easy to convince the Americans ... to completely change the way their intelligence services work."

As AP reports,

German Chancellor Angela Merkel is doubtful the U.S. will stop spying on Germany.


The chancellor said in an interview with public broadcaster ZDF "I think it's not that easy to convince the Americans ... to completely change the way their intelligence services work."


Germany on Thursday demanded Washington's top spy in Berlin leave the country as a new round of allegations of U.S. espionage worsened the friction between the two allies.


That move followed reports that U.S. intelligence had recruited two Germans — a man who worked at the country's foreign intelligence agency and a defense ministry employee.


Asked whether she expected the Americans to change their behavior when it comes to spying on Germany, Merkel said "I can't predict that, but certainly hope it will change."

Topped off by her slamming Obama's approach...

The past week’s clash over espionage shows “that we have different perceptions on the work of intelligence services,” Merkel says. “We don’t live in the Cold War anymore.”


Merkel says "methods of the past" don't belong to 21st century

The US does not seem to care too much... (as The Hill reports)

On Friday, White House press secretary Josh Earnest appeared to indicate the U.S. believed the alleged spying between the allies was par for the course in comments to reporters.


“Allies with sophisticated intelligence agencies like the United States and Germany understand with some degree of detail exactly what those intelligence relationships and activities entail,” Earnest said.


Any differences that we have are most effectively resolved through established private channels, not through the media. These private channels include regular discussions between intelligence officials, diplomatic officials, and national security officials from those two countries. So pursuing that dialogue through those channels is exactly what we’re doing.”

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Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:12 | 4951255 jcpicks
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Who needs friends?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:21 | 4951275 knukles
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Endearing people to one another, one country at a time. 
How some people expected this to turn out any different is just beyond me?

Oh what the fuck, Johnie Boy "Sphincters for Splinters" Kerry will tell them what they don't wanna believe he tells them. 
Whadde say?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:51 | 4951325 kliguy38
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One simple question biatch......where's your fochin' gold? Now sit down you old dyke and STFU

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 00:20 | 4951391 AlaricBalth
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A negligible amount of data gathered by our intelligence services is for the welfare of the American people. For the most part, information is gathered to advance the interests of bankers, favored multinational corporations and the globalist agenda. Merkels accusation of the US spying on Germany is a false premise.

The US intelligence leviathan is a conduit for those powers behind the curtain who seek keep the people enslaved in a state controlled environment designed to maintain the status quo. A good analogy would be a modern zoo. No cages, regular feedings (via SNAP cards) in a monitored, finite habitat, with the captive animals being granted the illusion of freedom.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 00:25 | 4951583 Radical Marijuana
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Correct, AlaricBalth!

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 01:24 | 4951648 DollarMenu
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Was there an expiration date on that unconditional surrender?

Looks like the USSA believes it to last forever.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 07:04 | 4951830 GetZeeGold
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"Doesn't Belong In 21st Century"


Leave Cloward and Piven and Saul Alinsky back in the 60's where they belong while you're at it.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 09:34 | 4951961 TahoeBilly2012
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Comment of the month!

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 10:35 | 4952104 shovelhead
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If Kerry came to your door with a Watchtower magazine, d'ya think you'd join up?

Maybe the plan is to get everyone to hate us worse than they already do?

Pretty damn clever, because I think it's working...


Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:05 | 4951352 813kml
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Geez Germany, why so paranoid?  Can't you just accept that the US loves you and wants to know your whereabouts every second of every day?  The US is your big cuddle bear and just wants to protect you from creepy people, like that Russian slut that works at the coffee shop that you were flirting with.  Don't deny it, we saw you give that smile while she flipped her hair and talked of gold sovereignty and pipelines and sound monetary policy.  That bitch doesn't know you like the US does, she doesn't know what you need.

The US loves you dearly and we will never be apart.  Ever.  Don't even think about it.


Your United States of sweety pookums

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:22 | 4951389 StychoKiller
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"They only get restraining orders to prove how much they luv you!"

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 09:36 | 4951965 TahoeBilly2012
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Sore subject, I just broke up with my favorite sugar baby.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 00:43 | 4951610 GOLDTRADERRR

Angela Merkel has come out swining against the escalating spying scandal with the US 


Are you implying something about Ms Merkel?

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 02:49 | 4951714 post turtle saver
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"Germany's Angela Merkel has come out swining..."

lol... the Freudian slips on this site just keep coming, high entertainment

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 10:39 | 4952116 shovelhead
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Probably because the thought of Angie SWINGING brings up some rather unwholesome images...

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 12:39 | 4952519 doctor10
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So what's so wrong with being the world's neighborhood stalker and peeping Tom?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:11 | 4951257 G.O.O.D
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I have to agree with that ole whore. Spying is so juvenile

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:16 | 4951268 Rican
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"Germany's Angela Merkel has come out swining..."


One of the fun times when a Tyler typo is spot on.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:52 | 4951333 swmnguy
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Indeed.  I hope it doesn't get fixed.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 11:46 | 4952305 FeralSerf
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How do you know it's a typo and not a subliminal message?

Propaganda experts have many tools in their bags of tricks whose objectives are to fuck with our heads without us realizing they are doing so.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:22 | 4951276 Emergency Ward
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Earnest is the new fucking liar who replaced that fucker Carney who replaced that fucker Gibbs.  What a bunch of assholes.  "Private channels"?  What the fuck?!?

Public becomes private in the hands of the US Government???  The media can't know about Government activity because it's private.  Let's ask Dick Cheney if that's a fair assessment of the Obama Administration's position.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:22 | 4951283 knukles
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They'll talk about it over the phone a lot.
Can you hear me now?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:31 | 4951293 taggaroonie
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Every brand of uniformed thugs has its "intelligence" branch, which, in turn, has its own interrogators, who, frankly, give me the willies.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:31 | 4951295 nmewn
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"No ones reading your emails!" "No ones listening to your phone calls!" "You'll save on average $2,500 a year!" "You can keep your doctor." "We are the change you've been waiting for!" "Jobs saved or created."

Hard pivot...

"Eat your peas!"

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 01:29 | 4951651 Harbanger
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And to think just a few years ago in Berlin the Germans were so wooed by the historic Obama.
People fainting and everything. Suckers, Now they're being racist.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 10:00 | 4952018 nmewn
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And now that a firm majority has finally figured out he came to destroy everything around him (not build anything) they stand there with their mouths hanging open or back to sucking their thumbs in the corner.

Its a good place for them, they feel warm & safe & secure there...for now.

"Meanwhile, as Obama has refused to enforce immigration law, the result is chaos. Tens of thousands of children are flooding across our border illegally, on the scent of Obama’s executive-order amnesties. (Edit: He's talking about DACA here, an Executive Order-Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals-that he signed in June of 2012 because he has a pen & a phone or sumpin).

Advocates of open borders, such as progressive grandees Mark Zuckerberg and Nancy Pelosi (Edit: And the Wall Street Journal and Adelson etal) , assume that these impoverished Third World children will not enroll in the private academies attended by their children or grandchildren,  or need housing in one of their vacation estates, or crowd their specialists’ waiting rooms. They do not worry about the effects of illegal immigration on the wages of low-income Americans. Dealing first-hand with the ramifications of open borders is for unenlightened, illiberal little people. (Edit: They assume correctly.)

Obama’s economic legacy is rarely appreciated. He has institutionalized the idea that unemployment between 6 and 7 percent is normal, that annual deficits over $500 billion reflect frugality, that soaring power, food, and fuel costs are not proof of inflation, that zero interest rates are the reward for thrift, that higher taxes are always a beginning, never an end, and that there is no contradiction when elite progressives — the Obamas, the Clintons, the Warrens — trash the 1-percenters, while doing everything in their power to live just like them."

Almost hunting season ;-)

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 10:46 | 4952139 post turtle saver
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yes, but I need an answer on one small detail... rabbit season or duck season?

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 12:43 | 4952545 doctor10
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"Homeland Security" is their anticipation of opening day .

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 11:50 | 4952329 FeralSerf
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Livestock often believe that their herders are just there to protect them and feed them. The livestock can't believe that the herders would ever lie to them or send them to the slaughter house. Livestock aren't very smart.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:33 | 4951296 SMC
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The US has intelligence agencies that "work"? ROFL.

Work for who?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 23:07 | 4951302 Angry Plant
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A women with rumored deep dark secrets doesnt like spies.

Would would guessed that,

Maybe she should focus on the french spies and russian spies targeting germeny next.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:46 | 4951311 JustObserving
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Jesus, Merkel, you must know that the CIA/NSA run this country since November 22, 1963 when John Kennedy's brains were shattered into a thousand pieces.

Kennedy had promised to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.

Now the NSA spies on everyone - the Supreme Court, Congress and the White House.  Obama's first job was working for a CIA front company but he forgot to mention that in his 450 page autobiography "Dreams from My Father."

Here is a Snowden revelation:

The most extraordinary passage in the memo requires that the Israeli spooks “destroy upon recognition” any communication provided by the NSA “that is either to or from an official of the US government.” It goes on to spell out that this includes “officials of the Executive Branch (including the White House, Cabinet Departments, and independent agencies); the US House of Representatives and Senate (members and staff); and the US Federal Court System (including, but not limited to, the Supreme Court).”

The stunning implication of this passage is that NSA spying targets not only ordinary American citizens, but also Supreme Court justices, members of Congress and the White House itself. One could hardly ask for a more naked exposure of a police state.


Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:43 | 4951429 disabledvet
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No one in DC seems to care. Is a little odd to see Chancellor Merkel go full on SMERSH especially given that the only actual spy in all this is Putin.

Perhaps some type of "blanket missive" is what is meant here? It is ironic that the only place everyone agrees the EU is all good for is Ukraine.

That looks and sounds an awful lot like war to me.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 23:07 | 4951475 dogbreath
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Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:47 | 4951320 G.O.O.D
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When is the NSA going to show us a picture of the first ladies cock?

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 00:34 | 4951601 Miffed Microbio...
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Considering that information is vital to national security, probably not soon. We must be content to occasional wind bursts revealing unseemly bulges I'm afraid.


Sat, 07/12/2014 - 21:49 | 4951329 Van Halen
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Hey Merkel, think Obama spying on you is bad? You should see what he's doing to us!

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 01:10 | 4951636 TBT or not TBT
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Germany already has nationalized health care, top down control of education, circumscribed property rights, state suppression of religion, a very weak military, a massive welfare state, and everyone packed into densely populated cities and towns, with very expensive fuel, food, electricity and quite limited disposable income, but plenty of funemployment lifestyle choices to choose from.   

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 10:47 | 4952141 LetsGetPhysical
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Maybe we were just spying to find out how to better institute socialism here. Merkel should take it as a complement. 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:04 | 4951350 monad
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German "agents" in America have open access to most of the same stuff that US spies have to break the law to get in Germany (Russia, China, Cuba). The hypocrisy... the hypocrisy...

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:07 | 4951356 Whatta
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What country doesn't try and spy on all others?

Politicians are all the evil dividers (doers). Power and control is what they are all about. They "hate our freedom"

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:23 | 4951393 NoWayJose
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At least during the Cold War we mostly spied on our 'enemies'

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:23 | 4951395 JustPrintMoreDuh
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Ve have vays of making you walk

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:25 | 4951398 NoWayJose
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Angela - shouldn't you be asking why German companies cannot come up with a way to STOP the NSA?

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:28 | 4951402 exartizo
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wait.... did he REALLY say that they think Germany is spying on the US?

ya just can't make this stuff up.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:29 | 4951404 rum_runner
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>>  "I think it's not that easy to convince the Americans ... to completely change the way their intelligence services work."


Wait.. we have a choice?  I'd ROFL but for the tears.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:40 | 4951427 NihilistZero
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"I think it's not that easy to convince the Americans ... to completely change the way their intelligence services work."

I think it's not that easy to convince the unaccountable and wholly unrepresentative of it's citizens American "government" ... to completely change the way their intelligence services work.

FIFY Frau Merkel

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:31 | 4951411 tony wilson
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fat leather faced blackmailed ex man whore.

until this cunt talks about the gold this is more bullshit window dressing and nice cover for the palestine hollocaust by the zionist nazi kosher rats.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:34 | 4951417 WTFUD
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' INTELLIGENCE SERVICES ' such an oxymoron.

An Emotionally detached friendless existence of a meaningless life slotting perfectly into the dark corridors of Government & Corporate corrupt practices.

Low-life Mafioso

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:39 | 4951424 MountainsRoam
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Merkel please send our military home, we are bankrupt..

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:47 | 4951439 disabledvet
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Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:52 | 4951448 WTFUD
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Strychnine Lagarde , Angie Drag Queen Merkel, and Condom Chucky Leeeza Rice are my particular favorites in this freak horror show. The only human in these is sacrifice.

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 22:59 | 4951463 Quinvarius
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Has Obama started arming the neo-Nazi's in Germany yet? 

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 23:24 | 4951499 dexter_morgan
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that Merkel has some balls.....

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 23:40 | 4951523 pashley1411
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Expelling spies is one thing.   I'll give Merkel a little love when she starts expelling US soldiers, and their spending power.   Cold war ended 22 years ago.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 01:09 | 4951613 MrPalladium
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Hell, we were unneccessary over there way back in 1971 when I was stationed there.The Bundeswher guards had the keys to the bunkers where "our" tactical nukes were stored. In effect we had a half million man jobs program - a holding pen for Viet Nam vets to serve out the remainder of their enlistment or draft term. Friggin waste then, even worse now. In the 1968 Russian invasion of Czechoslovakia the Bundeswehr rushed to the Czech border and was digging in within a few hours. It took the U.S. three days to figure out what to do. We were a big liability to Germany then and it is certainly worse now.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 12:20 | 4952060 WhyWait
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Mr, your comment goes to the heart of one of two key questions:

1.  Who actually controls the Bundeswher?

2.  Who actually controls the big German banks?

Two sides of the same fundamental question whose time has come: is Germany sovereign?

Who actually has the military power?  If a dirty bomb (or full fission bomb) goes off in Berlin or Washington, could the NATO high command order mobilization of NATO troops and impose martial law on Europe?  Would Germany jump on command? Could NATO remove or silence German generals or the whole German government? 

Does Germany have the power to withdraw from NATO and successfully order US troops out?  

And if the dollar collapse accelerates and starts to take the Euro down with it, as the finances and economies of Germany and the EU start to buckle and Germany's criminal international banks like Deutschebank collapse, does the German government have the power to sieze them?  Does it have the power to issue a new currency, or to cancel debts denominated in dollars?  

These are not questions which some brilliant bean counter can put into some super computer and crank out an answer.  These questions will be answered over the coming months and years by the actions and choices of thousands of leaders and millions of ordinary people.  

However, patient strategic players who have watched and studied the forces at work over many years and closely observed how systems respond when poked and challenged may be able to see a little further into the misty future.  If there are any two best equipped to grasp the dynamics of this unprecedented historical moment, its possibilities and dangers, and to take the actions that will best advance an outcome that averts global war and universal ruin, those two might well be Vladimir Purin and Angela Merkel. 


Sat, 07/12/2014 - 23:46 | 4951536 Circle of DNA
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The US needs so many "security agencies" to cover up for so much insecurity. It constantly talks about high self esteem, exceptionalism, being the chosen ones etc, etc and yet deep down it is full of shit, and everyone knows it. CIA/NSA etc are all just creepy extensions of the wall street hyenas.  

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 01:39 | 4951658 Ungaro
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... in stark contrast to Germany where there is rampant conviction in their supremacy. They see evidence of this everywhere they look and sponsor (carefully engineered and controlled) immigration so they may continue to feel superior. Germany's main goal hasn't changed in the 100 years that spanned two world wars: the complete economic domination of Europe (first, then the rest of the world). They are executing their plan systematically and flawlessly, in the good old German tradition. An important phase of that plan was the Euro common currency.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 00:04 | 4951546 WhyWait
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Who is Angela Merkel?  And why is this happening now?

Merkel, daughter of a pastor, was a physicist, then a top interpreter of Marxism Leniinism in East Germany.  So she is by training and habit a Big Picture, Deep Theory, strategic thinker.  Yet she shed her Communist Theorist role like an old coat when the Berlin Wall came down, which suggests she never really believed in it, and it's hard to believe she wasn't *someone's* agent.

Not too many years after the Fall of the Wall, Maykel was chosen to lead the Christian Democratic Party, the party of the German ruling class.  This indicates that many of the richest most powerful people in Germany have confidence in her speaking and acting for them, and not selling them out to the Ukraine.  

But she could still be an agent of the CIA.  

What would the big project of the German ruling class be?   A first suspicion would be revival of the Nazi project, and world conquest; but I think not. With the end of World War II, the takeover of Hitlers Eastern European network by the American OSS and (under the leadership of pro-Hitler US businessman Prescott Bush) its being folded into the new CIA, and finally the knocking off of a US President.  

No, I suspect rather the dream and goal of the German ruling class - at least of that part which is not dependent on american patronage - is first of all regaining their independence - from the US Presidency, from the Fed, from the CIA and Secret Service.


Sun, 07/13/2014 - 12:39 | 4952521 WhyWait
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Corrections and additions in italics.  [This comment was posted prematurely, at midnight, as my consciousness was fading, and is no longer editable.]  

"...Merkel was chosen..."

"and not selling them out to the US (or anyone else).  

But could she still be an agent of the CIA?  Or a secret agent of a revival of the Nazi project as some commenters have suggested?


"... and finally the knocking off of a US President.  This places the Nazi project's ongoing home in Washington and Langley, not Germany.  If Merkel is not a CIA asset, she is unlikely to be an agent of any other Invisible Empire.  And if she ever was, she is certainly not acting like one now."


Sun, 07/13/2014 - 00:18 | 4951577 Atomizer
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NSA Cock block via Tranny in chief. 

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 09:14 | 4951580 Yes We Can. But...
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America.   a  m  e  r  i  c  a

I camera.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 00:45 | 4951594 Radical Marijuana
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I agreed with AlaricBalth's comment above. It is WRONG to think that national interests are behind this, since those nations have governments which are dominated by the international banksters. The national governments are already servants of the international banksters, who are the biggest gangsters, which is plainly obvious if one merely looks objectively at how the national monetary systems really work. Within that context, the weapons of mass surveillance are the most recent technological addition to the armory of "human farming" methods. That "human farming" has a history of being developed through the history of The Art of War, where success was based on deceits, and so, spies were the most important soldiers.

The deeper problems now are how deeply we have dug ourselves into the pits of operating "human farming" as sophisticated slavery systems, based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds. Those entrenched systems are thoroughly paradoxical, in that their worst enemies are becoming themselves, through too much success, for too long, at being based upon enforced frauds, because the ability to back up lies with violence never makes those lies become true, but rather, over the longer term drives civilization to become crazier and crazier.

Since society is dominated by the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, and the controlled opposition groups share in those traits almost as much as those inside the establishment groups do, it is practically impossible to develop better human ecology, due to the ways that the on-going "human farming" is based upon successful deceits and frauds about itself, which are so thorough that there are practically no saner alternatives presented in the public spaces.

Thousands of years of the social pyramid systems, as the ruling classes used lies backed up with violence, while those ruled over became ignorant and afraid, makes any improvement to the current "human farming" practically impossible. Rather, that sophisticated slavery system is spinning out of control, of even those who originally made and maintained it.

The degree to which civilization is dominated by false fundamental dichotomies, and their related impossible ideals, makes more scientific understand and better resolutions of real problems practically impossible. The world is almost totally dominated by old-fashioned religions and ideologies, in which are included the current "state religions" which are the monetary system and the national security systems, both of which are based on profoundly toxic runaway frauds and deceits.

Theoretically, human beings should have an improving understanding of how they are operating their artificial selection inside of the context of natural selection. However, the social pyramid systems, as "human farming," or sophisticated slavery, make that practically impossible. I repeat that that is especially the real situation because the controlled opposition groups tend to be just as much as full of bullshit as the dominating groups. The established "human farming" systems are metaphorically like the ruling classes being Vicious Wolves in sheep's clothing, while those they rule over are mostly Zombie Sheeple. The basic facts about the world that human beings should face and adapt to are presented in thoroughly backwards and distorted ways, both by the establishment, and their controlled opposition.

The problems presented by the emergence of weapons of mass surveillance continue those which were presented by the existence of weapons of mass destruction. Human beings are NOT successfully adapting to those technologies becoming orders of magnitude more powerful and capable, but rather are being driven more insane due to primarily applying those technologies to get better at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, in order to continue the social pyramid systems of "human farming" and sophisticated slavery.

Since the controlled opposition promotes basically the same bullshit as the establishment, there are no reasons to believe that our problems are not going to continue to automatically get worse, faster. To cope with technologies becoming trillions of times more capable and powerful, human beings should go through intellectual scientific revolutions in the ways that they think about politics, which especially apply to the monetary and military systems, so that the chronic political problems (which are being driven more acute by how civilization is constantly becoming crazier and crazier) could instead be resolved better.

We ought to be using radically transformed scientific understanding to change how we direct the emerging evolutionary ecologies of humans and industry, inside of better understanding of the natural world. However, since the human ecology actually operated through murder systems based on the maximum possible deceits, while the political economy operated on the basis of the maximum possible frauds, the Grand Canyon Paradoxes keep getting BIGGER, that profound paradigm shifts in physical sciences have happened, which enabled technologies to become trillions of times more powerful and capable, while the primarily purposes to which those were put stayed inside the old-fashioned systems of "human farming" to develop better systems of sophisticated slavery.

Developing better systems of sophisticated social slavery are the purposes to which weapons of mass surveillance are being put. That requires that those doing that continue to be lying hypocrites, and they continue to be able to control the opposition to also be lying hypocrites. Therefore, we are headed towards all of that progress in the power and capability, of technology to promote old-fashioned systems of dishonesty and destruction, driving us through towards severe social storms, and psychotic breakdowns of the established systems.

Given the degree to which the established social pyramid systems are surrounded by controlled opposition groups, who think in the same bullshit ways about the nature of the problems, and their "solutions," we can only wait and watch as these social insanities spin worse and worse out of control. The ruling classes will not admit the truth about what they are doing, while those they rule over have been conditioned to not want to know the truth about their real situation. Most of those who somewhat attempt to "wake up the people" who do not want to know the truth also do not want to know the deeper truths about their own reality, because they continue to believe in their preferred sets of impossible ideals.

Social pyramid systems, doing "human farming" developed as expedient sets of solutions to some chronic political problems which are inherent in the nature of life. However, the ways that those solutions worked through the history of warfare, wherein success was based on deceits, and then the history of economics, wherein success was based on fraud, has made a thorough mess of the on-going situations, where the spies that are the most important soldiers have a criminally insane agenda.

I WISH that I could come to some better conclusions. However, I MUST agree the view of AlaricBalth, et alia, and therefore, conclude that the status quo of social insanities are headed towards Peak Insanities, due to pumping up the sophisticated slavery systems of the current "human farming" with technologies which are still becoming more orders of magnitude more powerful and capable, at an apparently exponential rate.

Whereas it was possible for small groups of people to be responsible for scientific and technological progress, whose tools could then be used by other people who never understood how those things worked, nor why, the main theme in our current civilization is fantastic special effects, used to tell the same old social stories, which have become so stupid that they are criminally insane, due to the degree to which they were based on the history of being able to back up lies with violence has resulted in them being based on evil attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards all the real facts about what is happening and why, on level after level.

We are collectively digging ourselves deeper and deeper into the black hole which was described by AlaricBalth above. It is currently impossible to imagine how our political processes can adapt to the progress made in the physical sciences. Even IF there were a few people who understood that better, both the ruling classes, and those they rule over, would continue to deliberately ignore that, since that is the actual nature of these problems. Metaphorically speaking, I feel that we have already gone past the event horizon of that black hole of collective criminal insanity and deliberate ignorance, due to the runaway success of controlling civilization through sophisticated slavery systems, with technologies that are becoming orders of magnitude more powerful and capable, WITHOUT ANY CORRESPONDING ABILITY TO BE SUFFICIENTLY CRITICAL OF THEIR PURPOSES.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 01:09 | 4951634 Oldwood
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sheep will be treated as sheep until such time that we evolve to something higher, with ability to understand history and the fact that WE are our own greatest enemy. It is a waste of time to condem farmers for being good at their job

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 12:24 | 4952455 FeralSerf
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How will sheep every be able to understand history if the only history they have access to is history that is made up by the sheep herding system?

Even if the sheep have access to some small unredacted part of The Truth, how will they know that that small part is not fabricated as well? This is a problem I have with Snowden and other similar "whistle-blowers". It appears there are many, many levels in the rabbit hole.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 09:20 | 4951948 Son of Captain Nemo
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"It is WRONG to think that national interests are behind this, since those nations have governments which are dominated by the international banksters. The national governments are already servants of the international banksters, who are the biggest gangsters, which is plainly obvious if one merely looks objectively at how the national monetary systems really work."...


Well said and thoughtful as per your usual, but you also need to remember that at some point even those minions within the cabal will reach for a "life raft" when the ship they are on is sinking fast and the albatross they helped create means their own destruction, a.k.a. The USD.

"The Mariner, whose eye is bright,
Whose beard with age is hoar,
Is gone; and now the Wedding-Guest
Turned from the bridegroom's door.

He went like one that hath been stunned,
And is of sense forlorn:
A sadder and a wiser man
He rose the morrow morn."...

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 00:38 | 4951607 WTFUD
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Spend 4/6 weeks every year in Germany and feel i have met a reasonable cross section of this nation.

It's far more difficult to differentiate between the classes in that trades, financiers, smallholders, secretaries, doctors mix freely; they generally frown at ostentation ( the more equal pay structure may have a significance ).

They eat out on average once a month and on special occasion.

They now feel encumbered by the Jewish thing sighing of constant reminder.

No nationality longs for the GREAT RESET more; could think of a dozen reasons but will pop for the belief they're subsidizing the immigrants and most of the EU.

They would just LOVE to see the BACK of the BASES.

For a fact when i look around my German company i think to myself, mostly, how the fuck are you way ahead in the export/business stakes? AND then i thought HOLD THE FUCK ON SON the JAPANESE are the SAME. THAT's IT staring me in the FACE. BOTH NATIONS ARE ZOMBIES RULED OVER BY A WARPED FANATICAL MIND- NUMBING VULTURE PARASITE US CORPORATE GOVERNMENT. BINGO

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 09:15 | 4955074 WhyWait
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WTF, Are we as I have suggested seeing the revolt of the Germans, a national consensus to act and reclaim their sovereignty, taking form?  Who in Germany would oppose it?  

Is there a similar resolve growing in Japan?  It sounds as though you travel there too.  Do many Japanese see Abe's policy of militarism and confrontation an attempt to co-opt that resolve and keep the Japanese engaged in defense of the Empire and fearful of facing the world without their American overlords?  Or could it be a charging up of the energy to break free?

And how does the Chinese and more particularly the Russian willingness to confront Japan militarily at the same time that they are wooing Japan with major energy, finance and trade deals?  It looks like they are trying to put Japan on the spot, trying to force a choice. Under normal circumstances choosing military confrontation now would be criminally stupid.  But neither the Chinese leadership nor Putin's government are stupid, neither is noted for their recklessness.  How is it playing on the street in Japan?  Is that what it's about? 


Sun, 07/13/2014 - 01:23 | 4951647 Ungaro
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Ve are doing zis für your gut, Liebchen!

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 03:20 | 4951728 Jano
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Ami go home and stay there with your tel aviv masters.

germany lost the war (unfortunatelly) and thats it.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 07:35 | 4951849 Lostinfortwalton
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If you look at Germany objectively they won the war.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 05:13 | 4951780 localspaced
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Any differences that we have are most effectively resolved through established private channels, not through the media.These private channels include regular discussions between intelligence officials, diplomatic officials, and national security officials from those two countries. So pursuing that dialogue through those channels is exactly what we’re doing."


That's a very good description of how Germany and the Germans conduct most of their affairs in my experience.


So the fact that the Kanzler herself makes this strong a statement (this is a strong statement for German politics) about it says a lot.  

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 05:51 | 4951795 hardmedicine
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I love my country , BUT........

I went to see Dinesh D'Souza's America yesterday and I just don't see how we can come back from this surveillance state.     Is there anywhere in the world that has sanity with regards to privacy and a just and reasonable court system.  Since American is so hell bent on going Communist/Socialist I have considered moving to a less intrusive and more friendly country that values personal relationships and family over materialism and government intervention. 


Does anywhere like this exist?

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 06:43 | 4951821 Racer
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The rest of the world sees the US as a war mongering bully

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 07:10 | 4951834 Bernoulli
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I call BS.

Merkel knows how "intelligence" works since the 70ies or earlier. Why would she "complain" now? Of course we're not in cold war times anymore, but with billions of budget, what does Merkel think all this "intelligence" is doing all day? Searching for "terrorists". Come on.

This is fake. All just to calm down German voters.

But who cares? Tonight are the World Cup Finals.

Panem et Circenses!

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 19:43 | 4953759 Marco
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Being neutral and letting the US take advantage of them used to be on the whole the optimal course, with winter coming and Putin tightening his grip on their central heating controls not so much. America losing control over the ME doesn't help.

If they don't get a better deal (ie. five eyes) it makes more sense to cozy up to Putin.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 07:53 | 4951861 no more banksters
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Who is considered ostensible ally by the US?

Another cold war within the new cold war between “allies”

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 08:06 | 4951868 RevRex
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But but but "Busch did it two, an both party's hour the same".....

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 08:20 | 4951882 junction
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The latest news story on the spy case in Berlin indicates that the Germans asked the CIA for assistance in locating the g-mail address they had for Markus, the German double agent they thought was working for the Russians.  Next thing you know, Markus shut down the g-mail account.  Which is why Germany booted out the CIA's top guy in the U.S. Embassy in Berlin.  How could this CIA guy be so stupid as to let Markus shut down the monitored g-mail account?  Pretty easy for the Germans to figure out who warned Markus.   

New York Times (13July2014) "German counterintelligence officials sought to ensnare Markus by replying to him from a false Russian e-mail address, suggesting a meeting. Markus apparently did not take the bait, and the Germans, casting about for more clues, forwarded the Gmail address used by Markus R. to the Americans, asking if they recognized it.

'There was no reply' from the Americans, as the newsmagazine Der Spiegel put it. Instead, Markus shut down the e-mail address."




Sun, 07/13/2014 - 08:32 | 4951893 RiverRoad
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Who's kidding who?  The Cold War never ended; it just went underground for awhile and no one knows that better than Merkel.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 09:02 | 4951916 Son of Captain Nemo
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"I think it's not that easy to convince the Americans ... to completely change the way their intelligence services work."

Probably the most refreshingly honest statement Merkel could have ever made in her professional political career (under coercion at this stage) about America and more importantly what Americans represent to the rest of the planet!

After all what is the U.S. military going to do to Germany for such abject "truth"???

Close down our embassies worldwide and launch a dirty bomb attack in there Country like Israel attempted to do in March of this year?

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 10:23 | 4952067 Kina
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Wow, US response to Germany is basically a 'fuck you' too bad bitch, suck it up.

Arrogance is so systemic to US offcialdom that they don't even realise that they are super arrogant and stupid.

US response is going to make German govt pissed off, but even worse the German public are going to fucking angry at the US not only having spies there, but talking down to Germany a junior high schooler.

Meanwhile Israel is taking the opportunity to commit mass murder in Palestine, you know, because they know how bad it is they want share the experience. PS: North Korea, if you are really itching to fire off a nuke to somewhere...there is a place that comes to mind.




Sun, 07/13/2014 - 10:27 | 4952082 Kina
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Europes future is with Russia and associated states. The US is only interested in war mongering and geopolitical control of Russia and China to maintain its own the expense of eveybody else.


Russia, German and France can fit together very well....and it is what the US is scared of.


If Germany wants US troops out they better do so before any troubles break out else they will never get rid of them and they will be a dagger to the throat of Germany.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 11:00 | 4952175 Lea
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"Merkel says "methods of the past" don't belong to 21st century"

Dear Angela, the Cold war mentality may be a thing of the past to you, but remember the psychosis called paranoia is timeless and that it is America's first and foremost mental issue. The same paranoia gave birth to the Cold war, the War On Terror, the mass-spying, the imperialistic neocons, etc.

Which just goes to show American psychiatrists aren't worth diddly-squat, by the way.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 11:09 | 4952197 Savyindallas
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There is a new cold war  -Globalist banksters vs. the people - it's actually been going on and in the shadows for a thousand years -but wiuth the internet, more people are aware of it. I'm on the people side, along with Putin and Russia and most of the german people. Merkel better get on the right side, or she soon will be gone.


Sun, 07/13/2014 - 11:43 | 4952290 kurt
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World War 2 isn't over, let alone the Cold War. 

If it was the USA wouldn't have bases in Germany


                Still I am ashamed of our paranoid security state and state department's policies.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 11:48 | 4952311 shovelhead
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I love ZH.

The comments section is like walking through the insane asylum looking through the windows at the different types of crazy.

Uh-oh...What am I doing here? I'm not a doctor...

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 12:29 | 4952477 Livermore Legend
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The Chancellor, along with the other whiners apparently forget the Prime Rule of all Foreign Relations:

Nations don't have "Friends", only "Interests."

"Realpolitik" drives all.


Sun, 07/13/2014 - 12:32 | 4952492 Livermore Legend
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So we should suppose that Germany doesn't conduct intelligence activites in the United States or Russia ?

Because that is so 20th Century......Or should I say so last 20 Centuries.....

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 12:33 | 4952493 Livermore Legend
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So we should suppose that Germany doesn't conduct intelligence activites in the United States or Russia ?

Because that is so 20th Century......Or should I say so last 20 Centuries.....

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 16:34 | 4953212 ThisIsBob
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Its like masturbation.  Everybody does it, but its still embarrassing to get caught.



Sun, 07/13/2014 - 12:37 | 4952509 Livermore Legend
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Yes, Hardmedicine, that country does exist:  It is called LaLaLand..... 

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 12:40 | 4952530 Jano
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Germany is occupied territory and in a state of war with US.
Germany will be released in the year 2099, as stated in the classified documents of Potsdam and agreed between the Chruchil Truman and Stalin.
SO Germans have no say in puncto spying on them. They even cannot breach the constitution, as they didn't get any.

Sun, 07/13/2014 - 13:08 | 4952631 Perimetr
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Same answer as before:



Sun, 07/13/2014 - 18:44 | 4953574 Buzz Hacksaw
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Angela dear. I do love seeing you on TV in Brazil. Now enerybody knows what you look like. The world will get over that. Hey , a quick note to let you know, Obama does not run the US. Any more than you run Europe. So back off on Obama I mean give him a break. Being an asshat puppet is a full time job and is all he does. The spying is done by those in charge. Those that care enough to spy.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 06:45 | 4954777 AdvancingTime
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Many people would say that Governments spying on their citizens appears to have become a global phenomena, but is it? It sounds like many of the countries in Europe find the revelations of the America government collecting and sifting through "metadata" as somewhat distasteful.

It should be pointed out that Europe also shares many of the same problems with terrorist attacks that we in America face. It is generally thought that the countries engaged is such covert and Orwellian actions are generally paranoid states with totalitarian rulers or the non-democrat systems that exist in countries such as China, North Korea, Iran, and a host of other places. More on this subject in the article below.

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