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Russia Furious With UK Air Show Visa Refusal, Vows Reponse Before Ukraine Plane Allegedly Shot Down By Russia
As was reported over the weekend, in a surprising escalation of anti-Russian sentiment if not so much in Europe (especially following the friendly photo snapped between Merkel and Putin at the world cup final), then certainly in the UK, the bulk of the official Russian delegation set to attend the UK’s Farnborough Airshow this weekend were refused British visas based on Moscow's stance regarding the Ukraine crisis.
The quote given by a British Foreign Office spokesman, as cited by Itar-Tass:
“Due to Russian actions in Ukraine, no representatives from the Russian government have been issued HMG (Her Majesty’s Government) invitations to FIA (Farnborough International Airshow) 2014,” a British Foreign Office spokesperson told Itar-Tass. The spokesperson also said that London has taken “clear action” to remove Russia from the list of countries eligible to buy British planes or equipment, “in order to discourage Russian attendance” at FIA 2014.
As RT further reported, seventeen members of the Rosoboronexport delegation, the state intermediary agency for Russia's exports and imports of defense-related goods, were scheduled to attend the event. However, only five were granted a British visa. Key Rosoboronexport negotiators, including Sergey Kornev, the head of the delegation, were denied visas.
Among the people denied a visa were mostly those representing Russia's state corporations – Roskosmos space agency, Rosaviatsia air transport agency, Rostech innovative technologies corporation, Irkut aircraft corporation, Sukhoi aircraft corporation, Rosoboronexport defense exporting, and others. Overall, 74 Russian corporations and firms applied to participate in the Farnborough Airshow.
Perhaps the move was a retaliation for Russia's successful sale of warplanes to Iraq even as the US was dithering in providing further support to Maliki's once-puppet government which has since turned against its western backers.
In any case, earlier, the Russian embassy in the UK filed a note with the Foreign Office demanding an official explanation.
“The Russian embassy in Great Britain regrets the disruption of the visit of the main part of the Russian delegation for the Farnborough-2014 international aerospace exhibition hosted by the UK,” the note reads. An unspecified source in the Russian delegation told RIA Novosti news agency that due to Russia’s absence at FIA, “important military-technical cooperation negotiations scheduled for Monday between Rosoboronexport and foreign partners have been virtually disrupted.”
Furthermore today, in a statement posted on the Russia foreign ministry website, Russia added that the U.K. denying visas was “unfriendly,” and expects an official explanation of situation. Russia reserves right to respond in kind under diplomatic practice, ministry says.
It wasn't just diplomacy that riled up the Kremlin this morning. As was reported overnight, Russia vowed to respond to what was alleged shelling of a Russian border post originating from Ukraine. In fact, as Russian Kommersant newspaper reported siting an "unidentified Kremlin person", Russia was considering “pinpoint retaliatory strikes” after shell from Ukraine killed 1 person in Rostov region.
That report however was promptly refuted: Media reports today that Russia is planning strikes on Ukrainian territory are “nonsense” and untrue, Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, says by phone. He added that no mass-scale operation considered, only targeted strikes on positions that were shelling Russia.
Additionally, Vedomosti newspaper reported that Russia won’t send troops into Ukraine but it may may respond with fire if shelled again.
Bloomberg reported overnight that Russia and Germany called for a resumption of Ukraine crisis talks as President Vladimir Putin’s government condemned the shelling of its territory that left one person dead.
Putin and German Chancellor Angela Merkel agreed during a meeting in Rio de Janeiro yesterday that international representatives should meet as soon as possible, probably via video link, said Dmitry Peskov, the Russian president’s spokesman. The so-called contact group on Ukraine should work to secure a cease-fire and a resumption of monitoring, he said.
Clashes between Ukraine’s government forces and pro-Russia rebels in the east of the country have intensified since President Petro Poroshenko called off a cease-fire July 1. Putin and Merkel met as Russia warned of “irreversible consequences” after the Foreign Ministry said a Ukrainian army shell killed one person in the southern region of Rostov. Ukraine said its military didn’t fire on Russian territory and is ready to help investigate the incident.
“Both leaders agreed that, unfortunately, the situation in Ukraine is degrading,” Peskov told reporters after Putin and Merkel met. The Russian leader expressed his “extreme concern” about Ukraine’s continuing offensive operations and today’s “tragedy,” Peskov said.
This culminated earlier today when Russia may well have carried it out its threat after Ukrainian Defense Minister Valeriy Geletey told Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko that an An-26 airplane was brought down today, hit by “powerful weapon which was likely used from the territory of the Russian Federation,” according to statement on presidential website. Plane shot down at height of 6,500 meters. The new defense minister said that it was impossible to target aircraft at that height with surface- to-air rocket launched from manpad, or man-portable air defense system, which is why “a more powerful anti-aircraft missile was likely used.”
Then it was Russia's turn to respond again, with the Foreign Ministry once again taking the podium and saying EU should use its influence to stabilize Ukraine, prompt cease-fire, and halt expanded European sanctions, as reported by Bloomberg. Sanctions aren’t pushing the government in Kiev to start dialogue. By sanctioning representatives of southeast Ukraine, EU members are “de facto identifying themselves with supporters of a military resolution to the conflict in Ukraine.”
Wait, wasn't that clear from the beginning?
Regardless, by now all of the above is clearly bullish, and the market which has long since moved on from paying attention or caring about events in Ukraine, shrugged as events in Ukraine and everywhere else for that matter, are believed to be contained: if not, there is always even more central bank liquidity for that. Clearly, at this point "degrading" is merely yet another keyword for the algos to push equities to new all time highs.
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Hmmm...I wonder which one is the most communist?
Their solution will be to have a bigger and better show in either Russia or Germany.
The West continues to pursue foreign policy as if they still were undeniably in charge of everything, as if their hegemony were still intact. This only serves to further convince the rest of the globe to pursue better deals elsewhere, intensifying the "de-Westification" of the globe.
Stupid fucks in DC and London. Remarkably stupid, or deliberate. No other possibility really.
That, and repatriate more oligarch wealth from London.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024606815
"...Angela Merkel is from the former East Block in Germany and speaks fluent Russian. And that as the head of the KGB Putin was stationed in Dresden Germany for a long time and except for the Russian rolling r speaks grammatically correct, unaccented, fluent German"
So who is the motherfucking outsider in this story?
A.M. former Stazi member too (.)(.)!!!!!!!
You don't want Putin ripping his shirt off again
I notice Cameron ‘unfriended’ Putin on FB.
I am preparing a blog article on the BRICs, and to make it a better article I am looking for good comments on Russia.
Any businesspeople who would like to share with me their experiences with Russia now (economy, finance, investment conditions, etc.). gmail me at my ZH name here.
I will attribute you however your see fit.
Thank you.
This is advantageous to the government, not the oligarchs. They won't do this unless absolutely necessary.
You don't want Putin ripping his shirt off again
I don't know, the way Angela was hugging those sweaty German football players after the win in Rio, she might like it.
My guess is that this pair is brother and sister.
I don't think they had any of Hitler's sperm left over after Angie's creation.
Clausburg provided them with all he had left.
I don't think Merkel is a Slav, like Putin.
I think Putin's a stealth Slav nationalist, ex -Communist done taking marching orders, his agenda is keeping his people out of debt and conscription, like they've been in for the last 1000 years.
That part of the world has been a sort of conscription pig farm for eons, with the Slavs the primary livestock, Jewish managers and rotating ownership.
That model is over or will be shortly, or maybe not.
I'd say they are "stupidly-deliberate".
@SW
“Stupid fucks in DC and London. Remarkably stupid, or deliberate. No other possibility really.”
Might I suggest “Narcissistic, Psychopathic” to replace the initial “Stupid” in that sentence?
http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/terence-p-jeffrey/i-me-my-obama-uses-first-person-singular-199-times-speech-vowing
Combined with the narcissistic psychopaths in The City of London (see:Her Majesty et al), being the creators of Communism and the facility for its agents of destruction (see: Bolshevism and today's ISIS) and former products of that system Putin (KGB and stationed in Germany as noted in a comment above) and Merkel (high ranking former communist) and you have the stage set for more financial controlled demolition, regardless of the level of compartmentalization of the former communists Putin and Merkel.
Hopefully Merkel and Putin see the history, otherwise prepare for another episode of Masterthief Theatre as the Empire extends its global tentacles around the throat of liberty once again....
Let's hope this time its reach exceeds its grip for good.
Systematic stupidity, nah that is deliberate, by design, or conspiracy.
'Russia continues to pursue foreign policy as if they still were undeniably a major world power, as if their hegemony were still intact. This only serves to further convince the rest of the globe to pursue better deals elsewhere, intensifying the "de-USSRification" of Eastern Europe.'
there, fixed it for ya
Paris or Dubai Air Shows are already gaining momentum.
Pro-Russian comments on ZH brought to you by ex-stasi/kgb proaganda officer Putin's new social media information bureau! Let the sock-puppet army commence their disinformation blitzkrieg!
"Mr. Putin, as a young KGB officer in Berlin, was not an intelligence agent but a disinformation specialist...Putin’s invisible disinformation campaign is a carbon copy of the one Stalin used during the Great Terror (1937-1938) and World War II…"
Ukrainian Facebook posting: “We have not killed one Russian, we did not take their land or introduce troops on their territory, did not grab their resources. We simply became a free people for one week. Is this enough for Russia to declare war on us with a unanimous decision and the full approval of the Russian people! Why do they hate us? Because of freedom? Because of different thinking?"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/11/inside-putins-campaign-of-social-media-trolling-and-faked-ukrainian-crimes/
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/13/ukrainians-russians...
Ukraine apparently sealed its fate when it shelled Russia:
On Sunday, shells hit the Russian town of Donetsk, which has the same name as the nearby Ukrainian city of Donetsk that is a center of opposition to the Kiev regime. The shells killed a 46-year-old father of four and wounded four, including two elderly women.
The shelling came after repeated attacks across the Russian border by Kiev regime forces. On Saturday, Ukrainian forces fired several shells at Russia’s neighboring Kuibyshev district and started a gunfight with Russian border guards there. On Sunday, Ukrainian warplanes violated Russian air space and overflew Donetsk, Russia shortly after the shelling had taken place, before launching missiles at targets inside Ukraine.
The Russian Foreign Ministry summoned the Ukrainian chargé d’affaires in Moscow to formally protest what it considered to be an act of aggression against sovereign Russian territory. Its statement warned Kiev of possible Russian retaliation: “This incident is evidence of the very dangerous escalation of tension in the Russian-Ukraine border area, and could have irreversible consequences, the responsibility for which lies with the Ukrainian side.”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/14/ukra-j14.html
"Calling Zaphod Beeblebrox, calling Zaphod Beeblebrox. I need help getting off this fucking rock. The leaders here are insane and belligerent. The highway can come on through this section of the galaxy and no one will miss these people."
DON'T PANIC!
P.S. And don't forget your towel.
Someone typed in the coordinates of the wrong Donetsk. Oops sorry.
Some of the Euros will stab you in the back ie England, Europe get rid of that floating turd in the Atlantic that will stab you in the back for its boyfriend America.
I think Germany is on the Fence as to which way it will go, its a battle for the hearts and minds of the Germans, though I think they will choose Russia once they get rid of those occupation forces.
The US is in the Atlantic.
The US's whole history is on of doublecrossing everyone.
Peeps in glass houses.
With my Swiss head on,I wouldn't trust either turd in the Atlantic.
Continental vs Maritime empires. US and Britain are the quintessential maritime empire, and have been for the last 200+ years.
But if oil keeps getting more and more expensive (its not getting cheaper, thats for sure) then the Maritime empires have a problem on their hands. Force projection becomes more difficult/expensive.
The real economic power over who gets elected in the UK emanates fron the City of London - untouchable like an other Vatican, and enjoying it. Think they will turn against Wall Street? I think not. The poodle will follow its master into isolation and poverty.
No proof that plane was shot down by Russia, i bet it was rebels.
And next one, even if it was - They deserved it.
If the rebels are financed by Russia, has Russian equipment and want to separate from Ukraine only to join Russia the plane was objectively shot down by Russia.
Dude what is it with this fixation of blaming Russia for everything. Last time I checked this killer clown show was started by the USA hand puppet of some dual citizen insiders like Nuland spending my tax money.
Puppet have a wife from USA and he has a USA passport...
You didn't get the "blame-Russia-for-everything" on this site. You see, on this site, Putin is a freedom-loving genius. His motivations are always pure and he's kicking the shit out of europe+USA in his game of chess, with one genius move after another. I'm all for letting the east Ukraine secede, and I'm down with mocking Western intervention in this matter, but affixing the halo to Putin's head is a bit much. His intervention in Ukrainian affaris is every bit as repugnant as the west's. You must be referring to Fox coverage?
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Instead of speaking in generalities, could you please give specifics? Thanks.
No player is innocent in geopolitics; the US, Russia, Europe, all trying to position themselves for optimal gain wihtout any ethical considerations going into the calculus.
The admiration posters on this board have for Putin is quite something; ironically, if they were in .ru and vented their displeasure with the current regime they would be at risk of being beaten up and jailed. So much denouncing fascism on ZH, yet so much adulation of the most prominent dictator of the time!
There are some who simply worship at the church of Pookin, I mena Putin.
Just realize it is their religious view and move on, because you can't argue with faith.
useless talkings
lol Volkodav you crack me up! Are you a 26 year old slumped over your desk in the KGB St P. office for social media trolliing, or just a bot that scans for Ukranian articles and then inserts the same hilarious two words all over the web?
Are you being serious or ironic?
So by your insane theory the US used WMDs against Syrian civilians. Clearly that would qualify as the universally recognized red-line. The world, for the benefit of it's very survival, must immediately nuke DC to effect regime change.
don't talk to ruskie trolls. they are dumb as hell, it's useless..
I know but it is always fun to see them panic and pile on the down vote like lemmings off a cliff.
Nice little echo chamber you two trolls have working here. "I agree with you." "I agree with you too!"
Do you guys share a computer in the office?
"Do you guys share a computer in the office?
Working conditions are usually much better on the free side of the world, thanks for asking.
"Working conditions are usually much better on the free side of the world, thanks for asking."
Whada sheep!
Free as in free to plunder right 'noclaim'.
Your office space isn't at Goldman Sachs by any chance is it?
Russophobia is so 1980s.
Farnborough Air Show is pointless even that Joke Machine the F-35 couldn't fly there - and Britain was suckered into buying the junk pile with promise of work for Rolls-Royce - neatly ditched by the US afterwards.
The Paris Air Show can display Russian kit and no doubt China will soon host one in Australia.
Britain still has not punished Roman Abramovitch and you cannot be closer to Putin that the owner of Chelsea FC
As Tyler says, the world has "long since moved on from paying attention". Don't flatter yourselves, Putin trying to revive your decaying empire for the entertainment/distraction of the Russian people is not of great interest to the vast majority of folks here.
We just think your troll tactics are hilarious, kind of like reading the cute cat jokes with the morning coffee. Now, get back to work, your oligarch masters need a few more Kensington town-houses!
That's when you guys denounce yourselves... you don't understand freedom of thoughts or even movements. I do wonder what lessons Putin learned from Brazil on the final game of the World Cup last Sunday when the crowd chanted to their president, a woman, 'up yours' for everybody and the world to hear.
Russian bitches on ZH. Go to ZhZh you fucking idiots!
Grab a gun, travel to Russia and show em! What could possibly go wrong, they are all 'Russian bitches'... *rolleyes*
and another ruskie troll detected. fuck off
Only idiots fuel hatred against the people of other nations. Call me whatever you want, I don't like aggressive people spamming hate.
Well said Kurz
Russian bitches
fuckin loser!
You guys come in teams now?
then don't hate on Ukranians you piece of shit Putin lover boi ;)
Wo habe ich irgendwas gegen Ukrainer geschrieben?
get lost goat
Can we take all of Volkodav's comments and make an ironic coffee table book?
"Viral musings of a digital mercenary"
"Pithy trollings from Russia's scenic interior"
"Ravings of a digital idiot"
"Putin's Little Red Book"
If RUS involves herself then trust me, the entire fleet of Kiev whatever airforce left will be gone, not only one aircraft! Venomous Kiev rats!
This must bring sweeping joy to the tender heart of Asst Sec of State the lovely Mrs Victoria Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan!
Zoltar says, "desperation strikes deep"
How do you spell false flag???
9/11
'False flag'. No problem, your spelling is correct.
How do you spell false flag???
I S R A E L lol
Blame the Ukrainians for shooting down their plane. At some point it is more viable to divert the "shoot your own citizens to provoke a propaganda worthy reaction" ammo to attack your actual "enemy", gnomeiamsayin.
PS i know Hamas and the Ukrainian "government" are run from the same State department desk, so spare me the anti-Russian whining.
Magpie
So would that be the same as seperatist pro russians firing into russia and killing people
and seperatist pro russians firing into areas of Luhansk with civilian population an killing them
all in the hope of getting russian troops to come into Ukraine. Nooo of course not. Propaganda
works both ways. Read between the lines.
Help me make the most
Of freedom and of pleasure
Nothing ever lasts forever
Everybody wants to rule the world
I bet you that Russia is just dying to purchase all those top notch British planes.
pods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Vh0wcy9QM
Speaking of planes the Pakistanis did a nice job with the Chinese on that JF-17, it will best anything the Brits have to offer :)
I never saw that one before. Looks like a F-16/18 hybrid with the single engine and leading edge root extension. There are a few other aero bits I hadn't seen before either. Thanks for the vid.
I think they list it at 20 million dollars which is an outstanding deal. Gotta love all the new fighter designs sprouting up. Just goes to show its not a polar only world anymore when it comes to great designs. In my opinion this plane is way better than the Korean fighter and its more than comparable to the Gripen. I think it will do well in international sales. The modular designs means one is not locked in to a certain manufacturer. It can take different engines and electronic suites.
The F35 is head and shoulders above any of those ....
... in price.
F-35 is so fucking advanced, it catches fire on its own, without any enemy help.
No show people this year, move along...
Go back to playing with your Legos. Your analusis shows you don't understand much of that industry.
Why dont you educate us instead of saying someone doesnt understand something.
Well, to start, what is your techincal background? You don't seem interested in aviation, just cheerleading.
I am real interested in aviation. I helped a friend do a couple of layups of parts for his Columbia Legacy.
I am not an aero engineer but that doesn't keep me from being interested.
I would say that the modern CAD tools and modeling allow a decentralization of engineering talent and production capability away from the big firms. The Boeings still have huge advantages but they also are hampered by their sheer size. So take this Paki fighter in particular. It looks right, seems like it flies well and I can only guess that modularity in fire control and engine platforms allow it to be just the right platform for any small tier buyer from any alliance bloc.
So that covers my thoughts. Feel free to chime in.
I think those are nice thoughts.
http://www.asian-defence.net/2011/04/pakistani-jf-17-thunder-or-blunder.html
This article doesn't present the J-17 is a good light. Sometimes it's best to look at both points of view and then make up your mind.
Boooooring, just a bunch of gossip, who even owns and runs this site? Their bias for western planes is too obvious.
Give me an article that does a fair job of looking at pros and cons. You are a knucklehead arent you LOL. 4 years and 45 weeks, guess mixing Tyler's drinks paid off for you kiddo. You must like being the hot towel boy. Do you keep them staked on top of your head cause you like to sweat hahhahaha
... It must be the IQ thing...
Doubt it Pointdexter
What you don't seem to realize is you can't leave your position like you have left it. You look like you don't know what you are talking about. If any readers stumble across our little dialogue, they will chuckle at how you have been side-tracked. If you have a point to make, you should show some ability and try to make that point. No problems if that ability doesn't exist. I'm sure no one will think the less of you.
The UK has apparently decided to continue it's role as the USA's poodle. I guess we can start referring to the British Isles as the "colonies" instead of the other way around. How moronic, err, I mean ironic.
It seems the military is the poodle for sure but I wouldn't bet against the London financiers having control of both capitals when it is all said and done.
It's quite obvious this/our world is being led by greedy mother fuckers. Where the fuck is Captian Kirk when you need him?
Beam me up Scottie its getting hot down here !
It sure wasn't the Kenyan's fault! He was putting on the 3rd hole at the time!
So Reggie's new name is the 3rd hole?
I can only suppose that the Wookie is the 1st and 2nd hole.
Not that the gay caballero Obama would ever play the 1st hole.
Oh oh, another anti-calamite rears his angry head.
Vlad is going to have to act...
a simultaneous dump of treasury's with china and a little show of force against the Ukrainian stooges should do the trick...
as for the phony paper slam in the only 2 forms of real money this morn - im gonna hold off until the head MoneyChanger lies in front of the puppets later this week to add to the arsenal...
no sucka's around here mother fucka's...
KEEP STACKIN'...
Trouble is the Ukes are crazy enough to have shelled Russia.
So are the neocons in DC.
The Ukes are not going to be able to beat the fedralists before winter,if at
all.
The dogs of war are dragging us ever closer to WWIII.
WE just need to drag our heels on this until fall and then start to slowly reduce the gass supply.
Europe want gas? Pay ukraine bill too!
Who run BarterTown?
dumb fuck Brits......think they are still impo(r)tant
deleted (sorry I had a link showing the militia got ahold of Verba manpads. A more careful reading of the tranlation showed it was delivered to Eastern Russian forces, not Eastern Ukranian militia).
Who needs manpads when he has motorized AA rockets?
Knocking down such a lame duck AN-26 plane from 6500 m with these toys should be easy.
At 0:27 minute
http://youtu.be/N-5FQ2jiSsM
Elder Statesman Dave ComicCambo declares it's my ball and your not invited. Great Dave am sure down the road, sometime during the electricity and gas cuts you'll look back on your intelligent brave decisions and give yourself a pat on the back.
The Eastern Ukraine separatists captured a Grad rocket launcher a couple of weeks ago. Will one of those take down a plane?
No.
This is a surface-to-surface multiple rocket launch system.
Also see here:
The system has lower precision than classical artillery and cannot be used in situations that call for pinpoint precision. It relies on a large number of shells dissipating over an area for a certain hit rate on specific targets.
Regarding "eastern Ukraine separatists": many prefer referring to them as "anti-fascist residents of southeast Urkraine."
What the wikipedia article doesn't delve into in any detail is the available projectiles for the Grad system.
From a comment to an article on the Saker's site, it appears that the 9m217 projectile renders the Grad system a devastatingly accurate anti-armor system. Each rocket deploys two independent submunitions over the target area which search for targets while descending via parachute. When a target is identified and within range, a small charge fires the warhead directly at the target.
grad has been updated and in expert control is terrible effective.
Ukr 24th and 79th mechanized battalions were wiped by single concentrated grad volley last few days.
when close grad volley lands on armor, all directions target itself adds to hot shrapnel
story seems that these are no longer viable combat units...
if one got in the way, certainly
they took over a SU-25 and repaired it...already painted colors and took out several Ukra armor...
One account claims it was a MANPAD, which was able to hit the plane when it reduced elevation significantly in order to drop supplies.
Another possible answer, from https://twitter.com/BungeeWedgie (I added the link) :
Remember that air defense base that was captured in #Donetsk. Militia captured 9?37 Buk from there...guess what downed the plane.
Putin - HUYLO!
i think you mis spelled HERO!
I think you r ruskie assHole
Ah, you've just got to love this gold parrot guy. His comments (the online equivalent of a series of grunts) paint a perfect picture of the retarded, glue-sniffing Banderastan Yatzi mentality.
The sad thing is that he's probably disqualified from joining Privy Sektor because his IQ is too high.
Privy sector ? Does that mean you have to have an invite ?
Nah, you just have to shell a Russian town in an attempt to get Ofucktard into this war. Then you get to wear the nazi patch.
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Ummmm, no. I provided the link to the definition at urbandictionary.com for those unfamiliar with the noun form of the word privy. A privy is an outhouse, and Privy Sektor is the part of the outhouse which is below ground level.
You do know what an outhouse is, don't you?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/outhouse
Oh you were trying to be funny, an outhouse sector. Sorry didnt
bother with the link.
Well, they missed a chance for a good laugh anyway because the F-35 is probably also not coming.
Just wait for the winter.
If they stop selling weapons to each other how are they going to manage to blow us all to smithereens?
Usually when my Visa is denied I just use Mastercard. Don't these Ruskies have Mastercard? *rolls eyes*
too stupid. they can play balalaika instead
useless talkings
better worry about your own country
Merkel is on her way out!
http://rt.com/news/172508-merkel-chancellor-possible-resignation/
This was in the works for months. Well done Jim for the forecast.
The German industrial complex had it with her waffling. They know the future is business with Russia. THey got tired of having their technology stolen by the NSA.
COSMOS, Indeed I think you are right. The rumor in informed circles is that She was following the entire Washington line of sanctions because of her fear of NSA revelations about her past and present private life. She knows the USA can release any number of private and unwelcome things from her past.
Germany exports masses of manufactured high value goods, like cars, to Russia, where the consumer is willing to pay top dollar for German engineered excellence. Plus, Russian heavy industry is looking for major contracts with German firms to modernize heavy industry and energy production. 100's of Billions of dollars in contracts.
A new, more sensible leader is reqired in order to maintain Germany's economic future in the East. And that IS where Germany has it's economic future. In the East. Russia and Ukraine together make markets and resource suppliers for Germany to ensure a century or more of steady economic growth.
To be blunt. Germany would be fucking nuts to lose this all to please the neo-con cabal in Washington.
From one good looking avatar to another, I like your style.
She is not very bright either and her immediate twinkle in the eye when fascism showed up most likely diminished her prospects with voters to an irreparable degree. Germans well know how this can all end up.
Could be a cold day in hell soon.
Germany's pivot to the East (Russia/China) can be unencumbered with her out of the way. She is an anglo/american puppet and part of the fascist/nazi gang.
God shave the queen
Unlike U.S. air shows, the Brits have to pay top buck to get in. With no Russian aircraft participating the viewing crowds will be a lot thinner this year. Shot themselves in the foot again. Maybe if the let the Palistinian Air Force attend......oooops!
No Su-35 coming !!!
Last the this plane was the spectacle of Le Bourget airshow.
Check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3h2PIo0tt0
I haven't had time to check the Russian Self Defense Forces Social media yet. But as to this Ukrainian Aircraft shot down at altitude too high for the typical Infantry Operated AA Missile. This doesn't matter in this case because the Self defense Forces captured and put into service at least one Medium Range Mobile Anti Aircraft Missile System mounted on a tracked vehicle. While not very modern, this sytem can shoot down air craft like the type downed with relative ease. So I would believe the SDF used one of it's medium range former Ukrainian army missile systems. A video of this particular mobile launcher was shown on the battle field about three days ago. Other systems wer captured when the SDF took a Ukrainian Air defense Battalions base in Donetsk. The Ukrainian soldiers took an offer to surrender and then be allowed to go home in civilian clothers. These people's families were called and when they arrived each Ukie member of this unit was allowed to leave with that family member.
My best guess is SDF is now using what missiles from the Ukie army they have been able to put into service. This spells bad news for the Ukie air force as shoulder fired AA missile was all they had to worry about till now. But, an entire unit of Ukrainian Anti Aircraft Missile Batteries were takne in Donetsk and given the scale of fighting I expect the SDF to use any and every missile from this unit than can put into operation.
High resolution video (1080) of the AN-26 being shot down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o78tnHkSpVA
(Ukranian -> English translation)
Military transport aircraft forces Ukraine lost contact with ground services, then online video is made public in the crash.
AN-26, doing his job, dropped cargo near Krasnodona then on it was released missile.
The crew of five had kapultuvatysya.
I'm rootin' for Pootin'!
Both sides' denials and assertions are largely baseless.
UKRAINE - Just because it is bigger than a MANPAD doesn't mean it was Russia's Non-Manpad Air Defense system. There are other explanations that are not less likely. (captured, old equipment, imported, etc...)
RUSSIA - Just because Europe won't recognize, and "sanction" (disallow visas) for SouthEast Ukraine doesn't mean they support military conflict. There are other explanations that are not less likely. (Don't want to offend western Ukraine gov't. Support status quo by default. etc...)
This is Game of Thrones. View each development in that light and you *MIGHT* be innoculated from being affected by propaganda.
Fuck, cant these dumb ukrainians even use google? Wikipedia lists two manpads that could have done this. (if the altitude given is correct)
9K338 Igla-S /SA-24 and starstreak
Plus 6500m is MSL not AGL so theres probably another 200m to subtract
Sa 24s were in the Libyan stash, and they have a range of 11000 feet, at least according to popular mechanics. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/weapons/5-things-to-...
All the smart Ukrainians want Kyiv monsters kicked.
Now information appears possible is that Kyiv amateur forces have trapped themselves against Russian border while thinking they would cut off and surround seperatists.
Must be Kyiv "Red" Mafiya put their commissars in command....
either that or Polish officers..
Volkodav,
in that case, demolition must be in work, the Rats et al can only comprehend the lead!! Talk alone won't convey the message to those rats..
Merkel arschlog USA’s http://qpress.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/merkel-usa-toller-ausblick-politik-leicht-gemacht-ddr-ansichten.jpg
Could I pls. make a small correction...it is spelled das Arschloch.
And the scene is marvelous.
The AA missiles come from Lybian sources.
Probably Turkey dropped the delivery to the north instead of to the south.
Ukranian military plane shot down over Russia. From everything I've been reading Kiev is losing badly ever since the militia withdrew from Slavyansk.
(Google translate, from Yandex translation it wasn't clear if it was a Russian or Ukranian plane that got shot down)
URGENT. Over Rostov region. Ukrainian military aircraft shot down
Over the territory of Russia in the Rostov region hit by Ukrainian military aircraft.
Witnessed this were members of the crew STRC "Don-TR."
As reported at the television correspondents located in one of the border crossings seen as the plane was hit, caught fire and began a sharp decline.
"According to preliminary reports, the incident occurred between the Russian Donetsk and Kamensk-" - said in soobschenii.SROChNO. Over Rostov region. Ukrainian military aircraft shot down
Beady eyed shifty guy on left saying to dim old broad on right: 'I think this is how free markets & democracy is supposed to work but I ain't sure?'
British Nazis, also known as Anglo "elite", are renowned for their back- stubbing and child molesting skills. They are all heartless, hypocritical bitchez without any redeeming features. These fucking reptiles should be burned and forgotten for good.
The anti-fascist residents of southeast Ukraine need to bring down more Kiev planes to get the proper recognition!