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China Warns US To Stay Out Of South China Sea Dispute
A week ago, China made it very clear to the US that while it is happy to preserve cordial relations and smile on photo ops, it had no problems with taking the US to task, and even the battlefield, financial or conventional, should the US - having lost most of its credibility in recent years - dare to interfere. It said it so clearly only an idiot could have misread it: "A conflict between China and United States will definitely be a disaster for the two countries and the world,” Xi said. “As long as we uphold mutual respect, maintain strategic patience and remain unperturbed by individual incidents and comments, we’ll be able to keep relations on a firm footing despite ups and downs that may come our way.”
Sadly, since these days US foreign policy indeed appears to be run by idiots, instead of staying out of China's way, the US responded by kicking the tiger in the teeth and escalated even further when it was reported that the US was unleashing even more military forces in China's back yard, and is developing new military tactics to deter China’s slow but steady territorial advances in the South China Sea, including more aggressive use of surveillance aircraft and naval operations near contested areas.
Ok, so the US can't take a hint. So it is up to China to explain again. Which it did earlier today when it warned the United States, in no uncertain terms, to stay out of disputes over the South China Sea and leave countries in the region to resolve problems themselves, after Washington said it wanted a freeze on stoking tension.
China's Foreign Ministry repeated that it had irrefutable sovereignty over the Spratly Islands, where most of the competing claims overlap, and that China continued to demand the immediate withdrawal of personnel and equipment of countries which were "illegally occupying" China's islands.
"What is regretful is that certain countries have in recent years have strengthened their illegal presence through construction and increased arms build up," the ministry said in a statement.
In case it was not clear how far China is willing to go, here is another explanation for the US state depratment: "China would resolutely protect its sovereignty and maritime rights and had always upheld resolving the issue based on direct talks with the countries involved "on the basis of respecting historical facts and international law", it added.
And since China is aware it is dealing with John Kerry, it explained one final time: China "hopes that countries outside the region strictly maintain their neutrality, clearly distinguish right from wrong and earnestly respect the joint efforts of countries in the region to maintain regional peace and stability", it added, in reference to the United States.
Not surprisingly, the US toed the party line: Michael Fuchs, U.S. deputy assistant secretary of state for Strategy and Multilateral Affairs, said no country was solely responsible for escalating tension in the region. But he reiterated the U.S. view that "provocative and unilateral" behavior by China had raised questions about its willingness to abide by international law.
That said, now that China has very clearly warned to stay out of its national interest zone, one wonders just how many US aircraft carriers will find their way into the East and South China sea to make sure China is antagonized some more, and a full blown conflict truly erupts. In the meantime, keep an eye on the BRICS bank we reported about yesterday, because while the US pretends its entire economy isn't merely riding on the coattails of the biggest asset bubble ever inflated, the part of the world that is actually productive is already planning for what happens once said bubble - as implicitly confirmed by Yellen earlier - bursts.
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Is this being reported on main stream news? Barry needs to know.
Governments act like children. We can do so much better without them.
not sure what china is worried about. our track record in asia is less than stellar
Prepare to standby to ready for launch our ultimate weapon of mass destruction...
The Hillary!
And if that isn't enough, we'll send the Wookie again!
Oh the humanity!!
To put it in terms that our feeble-minded president can understand...
The South China Sea is a large water hazard. Don't slice.
In real life, unlike on the golf course, you can't "fix" your f*ck-ups by dropping a new ball on the fairway.
In the short run, it's necessary to do w/o them for a while, to restore sanity.
In the long run... you need both.
Governments are evil. I'm just of the opinion that we'll get one whether we want one or not. There are just too many sheep and too many sociopaths and control freaks to maintain a true state of anarcho-capitalism.
I wish people weren't sheep, but the fact is, people want to believe what they are told. Especially when someone tells you what you want to hear. So thats what we got. A system where the all-powerful government lies to you, and tells you its looking out for you.
We want the gov't to be all powerful, because we believe it is looking out for us!
Madness. People only truly ever learn the hard way, it would seem.
"We want the gov't to be all powerful, because we believe it is looking out for us!"
A vote for more government is a vote against one's ability as an individual to provide for one's self and one's family. I would feel bad for these people if they didn't also give away my liberty along with theirs. As such, these people are my enemies.
Exactly right. Trust in authority symbols (suits, uniforms, wise-beards, robes, bald-heads) is what keeps society organized. The smartests-n-savviest humans simply leverage this trust. That's why we have religions and political parties. Anarcho-capitalism is like any other ISM, it would work great if you removed all the manipulative sociopaths and assholes. But what BETTER survival-of-the-fittest trait is there for a human than "ability to manipulate".
"is what keeps society organized."
Hardly. It gives us war, death, destruction, theft, and massively interferes with technological progress in areas not related to government viability.
"Anarcho-capitalism is like any other ISM"
Again, hardly. The other ISMs need government in order to exist.
Anarcho-capitalism can't exist while government exists.
Weird article from ZH. What the fuck is more aggressive use of surveillance aircraft and naval operations near contested areas in international waters?
Much as I dislike the Anglo-American empire, I'm not keen on a Chinese one, either... and they've been making some very aggressive moves in waters nowhere near their territory.
Just because the US is an evil hegemon doesn't mean we should welcome China trying to behave like one too.
Yeah so what, so USA can be the only evil hegemon at the party. LOL dude until the USA stops being the world hegemon we have no business telling others you can't do it so we can be the only ones.
But, in the real world, there is always ONE evil hegemon. There's got to be. Which is why our Big-MIC is supported by "Liberals", "Conservatives", and even some/most "Progressives" because everybody is afraid of the OTHER guy being the evil hegemon.
Wait. Is a hegemon anything like a pokemon? Cuz there are some really nasty pokemon.
HA, I actually had to look-up the word. Still not sure it means anything.
Israel is in the process of showing what hegemony looks like. Use your whores in DC to send American cannon fodder off to Balkanize your strongest Arab rivals, mix in some Wahabi lunatic throat slitters as icing on the cake and watch Syria and Iraq divide up into little warring sects while you scare the MSM watching idiots into thinking Islam is pushing for a Caliphate. Meanwhile they secure the pipelines, resources, and work toward fulfilling the Torah fairy tail of Eretz Yisrael.
Out with the petrodollar, and in with world government headquartered in Jerusalem and an RFID chipped population of slaves.
Jack Bernstein called it decades ago
I see no evidence to the contrary to suggest that Bebe isn't a sock puppet of London too. Israel May be stroked into thinking they are the chosen people but they dance to the same chaos and war tune as everyone else.
Israel is the pet project of the Rothschild banking cabal. The City of London and ZUSA are in the same axis of evil.
The bastards really want to start sacrificing on the Temple Mount again . . we shall see about that.
Well, if China wants to play, then good luck. They are not going to get those islands by jawboning their way to possession. They are going to have to attack and risk the consequences. They are going to have to put their "face" on the line. The Chi-coms have been shaking their fists at Taiwan for decades already, and have never invaded, so their track record up until now is quite clear. However, their one big advantage right now is that the US has a totally inept leader who may well fold like a cheap suit if put under pressure. So the time for action may never be better than now.
Careful, the ineptness in the current occupant of the White House was just what the elites ordered. He's a puppet and nothing more. Actions taken in and around the three branches of government are not done by accident or by mere coincidence.
True, China hasn't taken back Taiwan. They have calculated that the cost would be too high. But they can afford to wait us out.
We are hard to beat while we can pay for real things with printed fiat. But once the dollar crashes the US won't be able to support the MIC essentially for free. Nobody will be there to stop them.
They can't wait too long. Demographics are going to be their Waterloo just like Japan but on a vastly grander scale.
Has Barry drawn his red line in crayon yet? I have been too busy watching ISIS driving around in the Hummers that the CIA gave them to pay attention to the East.
Poke me in the ribs when something good happens there. (Chinese rioters torching the Japanese new car lots will do just nicely thank you.)
"We can just work up a number six on them. We'll go ridin' in whoopin', shootin', and rapin' everything in sight."
Cozzie, the real question is who do we want managing things - the Chinese, the Americans, or the Caliphate? (I think Russia is safely out of the running at this point.)
The sovereign nation industry has reached a point of consolidation. There are not a lot of brands to choose from. If you think they're all evil, then back the lesser of the evils.
You can't pull a Ron Paul here and naively think everyone can just mind their own business at this point.
action begets reaction - american actions for 100 years everywhere - overt and covert - has created momentum against their interests regardless if someone has apposing view or not - just because the USA is there - forces will arm against them
go to genesis - Delano participation (FDR's uncle) in the opium trade and what that did to Chinese interests - the beginning of the chinese - american relationship - payback is a bitch
So true. Am glad someone else sees it too.
The U.S. can win this battle by doing nothing militarily or diplomatically. China is destroying its own image and will drastically hurt its own economy by its present imperial course of action. What we need to do is use this as an excuse to slowly turn off Chinese imports and rebuild our own country.
No, he does not. He's off giving a BJ somewhere, leave him alone.
"Is this being reported on main stream news? Barry needs to know."
Very good comment. I agree, golf courses should be outfitted with electronic billboards with MSM news flashes to keep him updated - how else can he be expected to keep up with evolving events?
the US Navy is larger than the next 13 navies listed... unless China wants to (yet again) see up front what a couple of _real_ carrier groups can do in that area they best tone down their rhetoric... ASEAN cannot possibly work these claims out themselves, outside players will be actively sought out and brought in to bring stability to the South China Sea... and, like it or not, the US Navy is *the* big swinging dick on the high seas these days...
so, more bloviating bluster from the region's paper tiger... signifying nothing...
Unless the dollar is destroyed. The biggest threat to the US Navy is the national debt and the unsustainable economic policies being pursued in DC. The Great Reset will force the Navy into a mothballed fleet... much as I hate to admit it.
yep... "we have met the enemy and he is us"
You might get your chance to see the Chinese ASBM vs the US countermeasures. Good luck to the sailors riding the thing.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZtyTH4kKWME?autoplay=1
yes, I'll get my chance to see what an Aegis that can pop satellites from orbit can do with that... if they don't railgun it instead...
Paraphrasing Bruce Lee: satellites don't hit back
Yep. You have witnessed the satellite in orbit thing? What about returning bodies at insane speeds? It might happen and it might not. I would not want to be in a carrier group and find out the ASBMs work better than we thought.
carriers wont cut it - give me 20 submarines and the US Carrier Group is "blown out of the water" - with base operation less than days sail away for the chinese.
they can do it for ten or twenty years with 5% of the resources the US needs
no, they can't, and they know it
Why would the US have to go into the disputed waters near China to engage? Couldn't the USN just interdict all oil and raw materials bound for China in the Malacca Strait and starve China?
Sounds crazy but that is what I would do IF I wanted to take on China.
The US Navy doesn't have to fear the Chinese Navy per se, but China's coastal and sub based and ship to ship missiles.
Some of them even have US tech.
Courtesy of our very bestest ally in the whole wide world.
Plus the US weapons systems use Chinese ic's.
No way the Chinese would backdoor them ?
Where on earth would they get such an idea ?
Heavens forbid the USN found itself shooting blanks.
China's ICs? Have you ever researched counterfeit parts? It's disgusting what lengths some poor people will go through (including causing themselves irrepairable harm) to pass off an IC chip as being new or even relabeled as a different part. Some counterfeits have been discovered labeled as MIL-STD parts - others I'm sure haven't been discovered yet...but will likely end up failing in some life affecting device (nuclear power plant equipment, military/hospital equipment, etc.).
Courtesy of our very bestest ally in the whole wide world.
Hmmm. Would that be a tiny, freedom-loving, racist apartheid State in the Middle East someplace?
Yeah, that country. The one filled with God's Chosen People, the ones who have it on highest authority to kill whomever they please, the ones who direct the actions of the leaders of the USA.
oh yeah that dirthole.
Which leads us to the next question, why do we allow 200,000 Chinese students to study advanced engineering in the U.S.??
Because our education system would collapse without the Chinese as consumers?
College profs need love too!
As I asked above, why would the USN have to go near China? How does China get it's oil and raw materials? Why hit them where they are instead of hitting them where it hurts?
A good question, but the answer would be that a blockade would be an act of war, especially on international waters and China holds a LOT of cards right now. Me thinks it's a horse & pony show, all scripted and talked about prior to movement.
Just more dick swinging. The US has to show China they've got the biggest. No choice here.
Must be cold over there, seems to have shrivelled up.
Maybe its Auntie Scam now.
Oh, the US will show China that THEY (the chinese) have the biggest dick. Just watch how far down Lil barry bows down to Jinping.
They own us. They know it. They have no fear.
The dick is long 7 miles
It's old and it's skin is cold
I guess the Spratly Islands are more important to Communist China than the very much closeer Quemy and Matsu Islands are.
Oh yeah ...just wait 'till they get some of that sanctimonious Kenyan racist & community organizing finger pointing!
Let me be clear..........
more sanctions...........
my wife is a wookie......
I like reggies cawk......
so sue me............
etc
etc
etc
Don't worry, Bath House Barry will unilaterally surrender.
Bullish!
Kerry seems to have been hand picked as the best guy to stoke tensions and piss off everyone he talks to.
Would YOU take advise from frankenstein?
If he were Frankenstein and on our side it wouldn't be too bad of a deal, actually. Instead we got a heartless clone of Herman Munster.
Actually, I always thought that Lurch fits Kerry to a T. Everytime I see him on the tube, all I hear is "You rang?".
Who would've thunk this Admin would have completely fucked up EVERYTHING it is involved in, both domestically and internationally. Literally, everything. Quite impressive actually. I guess when he said he was going to CHANGE EVERYTHING, he actually told the truth for once.
2 years left. Should be a fun ride.
you've been punked!
and well over due i might add.
china is building something like 5? islands in the south china sea. each much bigger than an aircraft carrier
The US doesn't even have its own citizens backing it why would anyone listen to what the oligarchs that control Washington D.C. say?. I don't listen to muslim oligarchs why should China.
even if we duke it out on the high seas that won't affect trade negatively
You go now!
Bye Bye!
China will be going to war for natural resources. They need water, food and oil to support their population. If they don't, their leaders will get their throats slit by a population that is hungry.
The Japanese tried that once. Almost made it.
So "provocative and unilateral"by China = Bad
"provocative and unilateral" by US = good?
Or am i missing something about the pot and kettle here?
Only "our dick is better than their dick".
Geopolitics these days:
My dick, VIP, your dick, needs ID
HA!!! +10 That would be great "hold music" for a law firm.
"Dicks like Jesus" FTW!
Just send Lurch over, he can speak some French to them and that'll smooth things over. Afterwards he can do a little kite sailing in the South China sea.
What makes the BRICS productive? lol! ... the worldwide international monetary bubble...
When tightening comes, the BRICS will feel the liquidity contraction first.
Well, SA used to have gold, platinum, and so on. Less so these days. I would mention diamonds, but they are primarily valuable because of the 'DeBeers' Cartel.
Russia produces oil. Brazil's deepshore oil will be coming online the next few years, AFAIK. India, call centers.
Bet the P.I. , hell, even Nam, is second guessing kicking out uncle Sam now. Do we still have Diego Garcia?
Maybe they'll let the US back in to Subic if the shit gets hot.
Since the USA is must remain in a state of perpetual war it should seriously consider sticking with the past-practise of starting wars against small, poor, Third World countries. Starting a war against Russia or China is unwise on countless levels.
Sure, but just like with sports at some point pre-season gets old and you want to go mano-ta-mano against another dick. If for nothing else, just to show the fans you're worthy of all those slow-motion eagles and flags (not to mention the human sacrifices).
True, but this is exactly where the American Neo-Con Think Tanks' are taking the West to.
The map makers made a big mistake naming it the South China Sea. Now the Chinese think it belongs to them.
To smooth things over I suggest they rename it the South Side Straits and if the Chinese think they can go a few rounds with the thugs in Chicago, let them.
One of the points of this articles is to demonstrate the utter stupidity and incompetence of the US foreign policy makers. The majority of Americans don't know where Canada is and I'm beginning to see that this majority includes some American policy makers. This is not a joke or an exaggeration; ignorance, shortsightedness, corruption and absolute idiocy is what rules at the top of American politics.
I remember reading an employment add in one of the Houston newspapers that said: "If you have teeth, you can get hired ." The same requirements are likely to be applicable in Washington's highest job positions.
The only true thing you stated was "corruption". It is NOT ignorance, shortsightedness or idiocy.
This is being planned.
Where are the simpleton Republicans cheering on "Cowboys and Chinese"? Or. "Wrath of the Eagle”?
Have to wait two more years for that.
As far as the Spratly Islands go......had a relative who was a heavy hitter for the CIA named Larry Devlin. 1950's he was station chief in the Belgian Congo when Lumumba was whacked and Mobutu was eventually put into power. He was in charge of CIA operations in Laos in the 60's -70's...... he told me years ago the Spratly Islands have massive oil reserves and were one of the reasons for our intervention in Vietnam. For what it's worth.
Just popped my ZH comment cherry!
There are a lot of unemployed youth that need something to do. From USA perspective, Bring it on Chinamen and the sooner the better.
"It said it so clearly only an idiot could have misread it"
What's the betting that Kerry and Barry DON'T stay out of the South China Sea Dispute, because they fit the above description?
China has no business in the Sprats.
The US - even less.
China say "no more poopy in my yard bad dog"...
China is several thousand years old. They have been a world power for most of that time. They do not plan for 1 or 2 years; they plan for decades and centuries. Do not mess with the tiger. There are 1.5 billion of them; 350mil of us. Play nice, or we will either be speaking Mandarin in a couple of decades, or the whole world will be radioactive dust.
How does one pronounce ‘Monroe’ in Mandarin?
This is funny. Were the Mayans a world power, too?
If you would stop looking at porn for a few minutes and actually read some world history, you would realize how incredibly stupid your question is.
Awesome. How far across the world were they projecting their power inthe Bronze age?
... Smoke and Mirrors... Smoke and Mirrors...
I thought the article about the Anti-Dollar Alliance was some type of joke but it seems someone wants to really push this party line. If you read the article, the new bank will be capitalized to $100 Billion. The story line is this $100 Billion is going to "kill" the US dollar as a reserve currency.
Global Bond Market Capitalization is somewhere north of 85 TRILLION dollars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_market
Global Stock Market Capitalization is somewhere north of 55 TRILLION dollars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_capitalization
For those who can't count, there are 1,000 Billions in a TRILLION.
It has been estimated the valuation of global assets (including real estate) is somewhere north of 200 TRILLION. A 100 Billion line of credit is not going to shake confidence in the US dollar. China wants to print 41 Billion to buy the allegience of the remaining BRICS. China wants them to buy into their Economic Sphere. Russia, India, Brazil and South Africa want a seat at the table.
... small potatoes...
Now China wants to unilaterally own the world? How is that going to work out? Why couldn't they own the world when they "were" a communist country? What happens if China's exports drop? There are 7 members on their Politburo Standing Committee. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politburo_Standing_Committee_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China
Once they start a war, can they make decisions fast enough to win the war? Are there seams within their committee that can be manipulated to slow down decision-making?
The question to ask the Chinese citizen... Is everyone on board?
As I understand it, they are putting in real money. You quote geared up leverage. Not comparable.
Real Money? That is a nice thought.
Gold, Silver & Oil tend to be consider more real than fiat dollars. Granted $100B is child's play but it is tantamount to the colony's Bunker Hill moment. If you read anything about China you will tend to understand that they usually do not induce war outside of their own country, but let their adversary fall on their own sword.
You don't actually need to start a war.
Once the Chinese get their anti-ship ballistic missile, the DF-21D, fully upgraded and operational with all the very advanced 'stuff' that the US carelessly gifted them via the RQ-170 Sentinel drone lost in Iran in 2011 (the Chinese being rumoured to be quite good at reverse engineering) all bets are off regarding the UN Navy's ability to operate carriers anywhere near the SC Sea.
The Chinese appear to have the WU-14, a hypersonic glide vehicle HGV, even more deadly missile underway.
http://aviationweek.com/awin/us-navy-sees-chinese-hgv-part-wider-threat
The Chinese are starting to project US neutralising military power over SE Asia and the locals seem to have noticed. Hence perhaps the S Korea Yuan swap agreement.
Are you related to Bagdad Bob? He talked that same way at the start of the First Gulf War.
... 100 Hours... 100 Hours...
Google Earth shows most of the Spratly Islands as belonging to Vietnam, with a few to the Phillipines. So China, much further away from them, is behaving like a bully in a playground. This could end badly.
OK, so after S.2277 - Russian Aggression Prevention Act of 2014, S.???? - Chinese Aggression Prevention Act of 201? is next. Patrick Buchanan was right:
I watched a showing of Apocalypse, in French, last night. L'enfer was the episode. In the end the losers used all they had, V1,V2, Kamikaze, committed suicide, got shot, torched, amd nuked. This is not going to end well.
Until this county is ready to put people like John Kerry in a straight jacket, we will have this psychotic foreign policy which consists of pissing in the faces of everyone and in every country.
The US foreign policy can't possibly be more clear. It does not recognize, uphold, or care about a nation's soverignty. It cares about it's own future to pay its wealthy 1% more money.
Otherwise the US corporation has no other duty
This brings to mind the last great Chinese naval battle.
...oh, wait.
If those islands have any golf courses on them the Chinese are in big trouble!
To?morrow's today is placated by an asian pivot centuries old-- monroes' truman doctrinaire... this mish-mash lost in a regurgitated synchronized-diachronic language, that all your seas belong to US[a]! Basically, telling in hubris?tasy and arro[batic]gance narcissism! This outdated containment folderol of quixote`anachronism haranque eulogy?
So? What's a shackled free world too do? These 1940's great changes to a world-wide freedom via fiscal masturbation in a sexual orgy of 'United 'N word?', hegemonic squid`sperm`ization.
Fresh off the press via the www.atimes.com , Mr. Pepe Escobar and his 'Roving Eye' has a few choice words about the "BRICS"...
"BRICS against Washington consensus" http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-150714.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Others/Escobar.html
jmo
Cold War 2.0 updated report: New evidence that the US are trying to surround China
Japan to ease military restrictions since World War II
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/06/cold-war-20-updated-report-ne...
Barry won't touch them as long as they keep buying our empty houses. The NAR has a boot on his throat.
the PLAN is more of a "reef in being" than a naval threat to the USN... a few Los Angeles class subs scross their route of advance, and their SLOCs and that would be that.
It would we awesome if the Spratly Islands were sold to the USA (even if only for a few years.)
Ho Li Fuk indeed Chinaman.
Gee, I wonder if things will start scrapping as badly as they did in the Falklands....or worse.
At last count when stopping through, Falkands comprised two rocks with some peat used for heating, and a few sheep. The Argentinians had a war memorial with two soldiers at guard and eternal flame in Buenos Aires as a testament to the stupidity of the Junta who provoked the war with Thatcher in order to gain some national prominence.
The Falklands are a lot closer to Brittania than those Spratley Island are to China .... oh wait
Distance doesn't seem to be a factor here, I wonder why.
Xi knows that China is not ready for escaltion in south China Sea. China has an economy to repair as a priority. The message to Kerry is "do not push the envelope" in Asia. Will Kerry call his bluff ?
International and Territorial Space of other Nation-States were just "pwned" by CHN.
That's the problem - almost every Sea Trade Route EAST OF SINGA PURA is effectlively claimed by them.
I expect conflicts in the future for the "disputed regions". Since the locals are relatively weak. they'll call in the USA and/or engage in Hit-and-Run Tactics on PLAN Assets.
Is Ix/Blackwater/Academi sending their Prospectus to the Region? They better hurry, since ISIS has some USD, ChemWeaps, and now Uranium at their disposal.