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The Home Of The Brave: Where America's Military Veterans Live

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The following map shows the percentage of each county’s civilian population (aged 18+) who have veteran status... in other words... where exactly the home of America's brave really is...


Source: Visual Statistix 

Which is perhaps worth comparing to where the local police are the most SWATified...


Seems interestingly anti-correlated...


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Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:11 | 4960689 Barry Freed
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Nothing brave about picking up a gun and enforcing the will of the government.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:16 | 4960707 thatthingcanfly
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Reluctantly, I concur.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:21 | 4960719 localsavage
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It seems false until you think about it.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:25 | 4960734 gh0atrider
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When are the brave going to grow some balls and frag Obama?

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:29 | 4960748 kchrisc
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To stop a Punch and Judy show one needs to kill the puppeteers not the puppets.

The puppets can be burned later.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:14 | 4960882 are we there yet
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The puppet masters have remote controlled strings, and you will not find them. For example, the Rothchilds are not even listed among the 100 wealthiest.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:29 | 4960934 0b1knob
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So the top counties for vets to live in are all near big military bases.   Big surprise.

Veterans like to retire near military bases so they can shop at the base PX.   ANYBODY could have told you that.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:57 | 4961000 nmewn
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The first graph is a little suspect...Sumter county north of Tampa for example. Thats where the Florida national cemetery is.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:52 | 4961155 are we there yet
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A lot of cemetaries voted for Obama.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 00:38 | 4961692 wee-weed up
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Which is perhaps worth comparing to where the local police are the most SWATified...


Very simplistic and incorrect knee-jerk conclusion...

There are many military vets who are very much against militarizing local police forces.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:19 | 4961217 Dublinmick
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Vets can buy cheap GMO raised KFC style chicken at the commisary of those bases.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 22:55 | 4961484 Jack Burton
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In Iraq, the US Military supply train included all manner of fast food corporate outlets. Subway, KFC, McDonalds, All of them. Of course these were on US bases, but the US had hundreds of bases.

It was a long time ago when I was in the Navy, but in those days we actually had trained cooks who started with raw foods and ingredients and actually cooked unique meals. I hear now a days much of the food is from factories and only heated up by military cooks. In my day ship board food was fucking good, very good. Well prepared and good ingredients used. This was before corporations got inbetween a sailor and his chow.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 23:42 | 4961579 HardAssets
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They just heat up pre-made factory food onboard ship now ?  Just like in the public 'schools' ?  

That was one thing that made the Navy better than going in the Army. At least you got decent chow and your own rack to sleep in when deployed.

Recently I saw some guys stopped at a gas station. They had camo utilities with Marine style caps, all in freakin' shades of blue camo.  'WTF ?' , I thought.  I got closer and saw that they were Navy. 1st and 2nd Class POs.  Guess thats the uniform they wear today. (I've been out for a long time.)

They sure as hell didn't look like sailors, but I guess they are prefectly prepared in case they have to hide behind some blue bushes. Newflash Navy!:  guys on board BIG freakin' SHIPS aren't really hidden by your dumbazz blue camo. Ya just look like azzhats trying to keep up with the ground pounders.

I wonder what genius came up with that decision.  Does the Air Farce also wear the blue cammies ?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 06:24 | 4961951 The Chief
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One of those new-fangled lesbian Admirals...or the dumbest fucking cocksucker to ever put on a star.

The baggy feature of those new BDUs tends to "hide" the fatness in the females. It makes THEM feel better. The fucking Navy should just anchor all of the ships and disban. I am ashamed of my service when I see this shit. Seriously.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:36 | 4965587 IronForge
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For the Navy, they've contracted out the dining on many Base Retail/Club (NEX/MCX/AAFEES) Facilities; but for the most part the Galleys (on Shore and at Sea) tend to use semi-prepped material and Menu Cards.  They may rely on canned Spaghetti Sauce (or Tomato Sauce to work with. 

When I managed Base Logistics and Support Operations of a Special Forces Training Facility, our Galley placed Honorable Mention in its Size Category - as a "Prize", we sent one of our young (and high performing) MessCooks (who happened to be an African American Woman, for the record) to Culinary School for a few weeks. From what I've seen, the Navy has allowed the MS(Mess Mgmt) Rating to diversify to Culinary Specialists, so there appears to be an effort to allow for bona fide Chefs to make something via the Supply Pipeline.  

That being said, we're dealing with a situation where Troops are deployed in the Field and at Sea where Fresh Fruits, Vegetables, and MIlk Products (outside ot UHT MIlk) don't last for more than 7-10 Days. So if you don't make a Port Call or aren't close to a major (and reliable) Rail/Truck/Airlift Hub (that can carry goods approved by Uncle Sam's Food Weenies and MDs), relying on semi-prepped/premade entrees is expected. 

Many a Pacific Fleet Sailor (for the non-sailor: Blue Water Navy, as opposed to the Atlantic Fleet's "Brown Water" (Shallow - not many days to cross Ocean( aka, Pond), since Pac Flt implies Pacific AND Indian Oceans) Navy) has lived with the occassional shortage.   Save for the Carrier Dweebs.  ^_^

As for the Uniforms, Davey Jones is STILL playing with Uniforms.  It's a boondoggle for the Manufacturers, with some boots costing 90+ Dollars a pair.   As if they need to "blend in" with the Water, Kelp, Industrial Shipboard Surfaces, Piping, and Wiring, and the "Haze Gray" (or Dark Blue/Blk for Submariners) Paint on the Hull...

When my Cruiser went to the Gulf, during the Iran-Iraq War, we simply painted our Hull Numbers to Gray/BLK from the regular WHT/Gray, loaded up on sandbags, weld-mounted 50-Caliber Gun Points, wore Flame Retardant Shirts, and carried/wore Masks, Helmets, Flack Jackets, and Hoods on our Person as we went about our business.  During a week long maintenance anchorage outside of the Gulf, Ships assigned outside of the Warzone (Surface Nukes (Super Sanitary and Isolated)  and Tender(Mix Gender LoveBoat/Repair/Medical) Crews used to call us "Pirates"  ^_^

I once joked with the other JOs to see if I could get away with putting Gray/Blk Electric Tape over the Hull Numbers on the Glass-covered Painted Portrait of the Ship in the (Officers') Wardroom (aka "The Weirdroom" per my Men).

No Cammies in the Gulf, either.  We had SEAL Teams and the Jar-rines (for the civilians, Jar-Head (Haircut) Marines) wear those, where it's ACTUALLY NEEDED FOR THE JOB.

Thanks,  I enjoyed reflecting on my Fleet Days. Seeing the Uniform Merry-Go-Round unfold at a local Air Force Base (mostly desk and satellite drivers - though I'm sure many deployed to the hotspots) just express the Signs of the Times.  ROTFL!!!

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:30 | 4960749 El Oregonian
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Where are the Chinese, Russians, and UN troops being bivouacked?

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:14 | 4960885 Colonel Klink
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Me thinks that won't end well if they're going to go against veterans of foreign wars.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:36 | 4960955 Herd Redirectio...
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Those vets would be great allies.  Seeing as they know how the Government would go about fighting a 'civilian insurgency' (previously known as revolution).

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:08 | 4961025 nmewn
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Its not like a soldier ever tore off his patch and sewed a different one on or swore allegiance to one thing and then when the parameters of that allegiance ,"changed"...well...

I would imagine it must keep some "of them" up at night, wondering ;-)

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 07:52 | 4962045 fallout11
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Look up the 'Bonus Army' ( to see what the government did last time they faced vets of foreign wars....

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:20 | 4961218 Dublinmick
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If they live near the base, it is easier to keep an eye on them.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:17 | 4961048 New_Meat
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"When are the brave going to grow some balls and frag Obama?"

when are you gonna' do sompin'????


- Ned

{and let's play ASSFACE}

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:22 | 4960723 RaiZH
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Same... I used to get all patriotic for these guys. Why should they automatically be labelled heroes?

Do many truly believe or know what they're fighting for... or are they just there to 'earn' some income?

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:27 | 4960742 The Alarmist
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How long did you serve, bucko?

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:43 | 4960788 thatthingcanfly
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Well, I did 9 years commissioned + 4 years at Annapolis. When it came time to take the oath of office again, I couldn't do it with a clear conscience.

The criticism that some servicemembers use the military as a welfare program is absolutely accurate.

The criticism that some servicemembers joined the military because they were too stupid or lazy to get another job is absolutely accurate.

Pity, because there are also some really great guys in the armed forces for all the right reasons. A good start to making their jobs more meaningful will be getting the women the hell out.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:09 | 4960871 divedivedive
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Do you/Did you see yourself as a hero (which I think are very rare) - or perhaps a patriot (which I think is great).

On the women thing - I think the whole moral compass of the US society is askew. Gays in the military, gays in the boy scouts, same sex marriage, fraud in the VA. Hey - even smoking pot was such a terrible thing often times you had to swear under oath you never tried pot (we are talking career determining decisions) - now if you pay the tax all is good.


Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:57 | 4960995 BadPenguin
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Moral compass askew, now?

Like it was less askew when slavery was acceptable?  Or 100 years ago when the Fed was created?

Religion has apparently destroyed your ability to think rationally.

Freedom is freedom, be it gun rights, gay rights or women in the military.

If you think your chosen 'freedoms' are more important than the freedoms of others, you're no better than a liberal twat trying to ban guns.

Granted I think having women in the military is an absolute distraction for the men, but freedom is freedom, I can't justify the morality of denying others of their freedoms while wanting mine.

If the ladies want to kill for the bankers then so be it, be my guest.

The fraud in the VA is unacceptable, but if you are surprised by it you haven't been paying attention to the plea of the veteran for the last thirty plus years...


Wed, 07/16/2014 - 01:10 | 4961737 drstrangelove73
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Yes,the moral compass is askew.
Did you own slaves?Your parents?Your Grandparents?
Well,I don't,and no one in either side of my family did for the 8 generations I can account for.
This country fought a war over slavery,and ENDED it,159 years ago.
What the hell does the former practice of slavery,in this,and every other country that has existed,except in the African countries where it still thrives now,have to do with morality in America?
And the social experiment that is women in the military is just as great a joke as any other progressive political power issue you can name.You need to read a bit of history to rid you of the ignorance your pathetic public school education has inculcated in you.
You sound like you get up every morning and drink your thoughts from the propaganda spigot the progressive media open for you every morning.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 06:34 | 4961954 StormShadow
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Bravo! Bravo! Do you hear me bitching because my Irish family was locked out of many jobs 100 years ago? Hell no, they worked hard and made something of themselves. We're not rich, but we all make a good living and no one has a hand out for Uncle Sugar to slap the welfare cuffs on us. Reparations?!---KISS MY ASS, we've been paying out reparations since FDR! If you put it all into Doritos, cell phones, cars, stereos, crack or whatever and have nothing to show for it that is your goddam problem to fix, not mine with my money.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:09 | 4962058 thatthingcanfly
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Peter Sellers:

No, the country did not fight a war over slavery. Mr. Lincoln's War, to which you are referring, was fought to suppress Southern Secession. The South seceded because of the punitive tariff that would have wrecked the (already struggling) Southern agrarian economy. The tariff was passed by the Northern dominated Congress with the expectation that at least some of the Southern States would secede. When they did, the pathological liar in the White House came up with the most convenient excuse he could think of to invade and murder Johnny Reb: slavery. His real aim, encoded in his Gettysburg address, was to redefine the loose confederation of States enjoined into a Republic under the Constitution 70 years earlier into an ideological socialist utopia, "dedicated to [a] proposition." This "proposition nation" nonsense has dominated political discourse ever since, to our utter detriment.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:04 | 4961010 thatthingcanfly
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I'm no hero.

On the women in the military thing: the issue has less to do with the capabilities of women than the nature of men. It is in men's nature to protect our women. Civilized men don't send their mothers, sisters, and daughters into combat. For the unfortunate men who actually find themselves in a combat situation with women in their mix, their ability to fight is weakened by the presence of the women. You cannot escape human nature. That should be the central argument against women in the military: that you weaken the Force by including them.

A slightly different, but related, argument applies to homosexuals in the military. Their presence also weakens the Force.


Tue, 07/15/2014 - 23:00 | 4961501 cornedmutton
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ought one!

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 06:19 | 4961948 thatthingcanfly
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Ninety-eight! Ninth company.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:58 | 4965411 cornedmutton
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10th (plebe) then 2nd - they brought back shotgunning in 2001 then went right back to shuffling in 2002

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:49 | 4965837 IronForge
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Eighty SIX!!

Why didn't you gentlemen say, "Sir!"after sounding Off?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:42 | 4975281 cornedmutton
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Pardon, Sir!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 04:46 | 4965842 IronForge
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Dupe caused by a script error.

Edit: Brace Up!!!   ^_^


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 04:47 | 4966380 IronForge
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:35 | 4967002 thatthingcanfly
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<Sighs audibly, pinches nose, closes eyes, shakes head slowly from side to side.>

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:33 | 4966991 thatthingcanfly
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My year group was shotgunned after plebe year, then kept the same company for the remaining 3. In 96, they reorganized from six batts down to five, and 36 companies down to 30; so the number of our company changed, but its composition didn't (except for the newbs coming from the cancelled companies).

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 07:54 | 4962049 fallout11
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There was a lot of pot smoking in the US Army back in the late 70's-early 80's, I can assure you. Morale sucked as well, everything was old and broken down, mostly leftovers from Vietnam and previous.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:31 | 4960937 msmith9962
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Good for you!  We need more people of conscience/integrity.  Maybe I'm an idealist but you are only as good as your word and when you take an oath that is what you are beholden to, not necessarily your superior or your paycheck. 

Problem is society hit a tipping point where this no longer holds true and if x wont do something unconstitutional, there is someone behind them who will.  Increasingly true because they need to make next months payment on whatever bill of goods they were sold.

Integrity these days requires financial planning so when called to do something against your oath you can walk away.


But what do I know, just an observer.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:51 | 4960985 msmith9962
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And that goes for just about any profession/trade. Kids out of law school with big loans suddenly doing stuff they never wanted too to pay those bills. Sales people, certainly finance.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:43 | 4960968 Manthong
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“In 2009, U.S. Navy Secretary Ray Mabus announced that for the first time in Navy history, women would be assigned to the submarine force”

I don’t think a worse idea was ever conceived by the USN or whichever misguided socialist controls those matters.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 01:14 | 4961743 drstrangelove73
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Ray Mabus is the most pathetic little cuckolded weasel ever to hold a cabinet post in this republic.
A more disgusting,sold out creature there has never been.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:50 | 4960981 Larry Dallas
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Who was more correct about this? Herny Kissinger or John Kerry.

Or both?  

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:19 | 4961051 New_Meat
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Larry, that would be a resounding "nyet tovarich" - Ned

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:11 | 4961035 Statetheist
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I can't think of a "right reason" to serve government.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:34 | 4961107 logicalman
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Can't think of any.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 04:39 | 4961892 NihilistZero
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Fuck .gov.  The military serves .gov.  Fuck the military.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 06:37 | 4961957 StormShadow
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It's not quite that simple

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:24 | 4961065 rubiconsolutions
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@thatthingcanfly - +1, well said. It would be interesting to see if recruiters could meet their quotas if they didn't have educational benefits and signing bonuses to dangle in front of people. Take the profit motive out of the equation and many of these guys (and gals) would not enlist. It's not about patriotism, it's about "what can I steal from my fellow Americans"? Like you I am a veteran of the Vietnam debacle. And I actually went back fifteen years ago to SE Asia for three months and saw up close and personal what the American military did to those people. It wasn't pretty. I came home and promptly shred my (not so) honorable discharge and DD-214 and trashed my medals and ribbons. Your assessment is 100% correct.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:35 | 4961103 Manthong
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I’m glad I saved my DD-214.

It saved me 8 hours of required training before I got my CCW.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 22:50 | 4961468 Paveway IV
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I assume you mean some kid of a concealed carry permit, Manthong.

How many other mainframe geezers out there initially thought of Control Channel Word? One assembler to rule them all!

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 00:00 | 4961629 Manthong
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Welcome to the machine (code).

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:28 | 4961248 americanspirit
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Let's not forget the guys who are in the military because the judge said either that or go to jail.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 23:15 | 4961537 Calmyourself
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Umm James Dean is dead and its not 1956...

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 04:42 | 4961646 HardAssets
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@thatthingcanfly -  What a lot of people don't get is that there are a lot of young men from 17 to their early 20s that go in because they truly want to 'serve their country'. They also want to fly planes or drive ships, or whatever - at least for a few years.  Even among the college educated officers, very few know how this nation's political system actually works, or its real history. Even fewer than that know anything about banking, money, or the financial interests that run this country. That's not where they put their professional focus. So, in this, they are like most Americans - a bit naive in these matters.

Hopefully, that situation is turning around.

Ron Paul got more financial contributions from military people than any other presidential candidate during the last election, so that's a good indication.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 06:39 | 4961958 StormShadow
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Well stated, Sir!

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:10 | 4961031 Statetheist
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You ask him that like something is wrong with him for not serving. In fact, it is those who work to end all government, end all war, end all violence who are the true heroes.


How long anyone served is absolutely irrelevant to any sort of discussion of right or wrong.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:06 | 4961179 Boondocker
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While i agree philosophically man would devolve into chaos with out some order(governnment).  Those who could be trusted without government would quickly be overwhelmed by those who need the threat of force to act "civilized".

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 22:19 | 4961395 Statetheist
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Absolutely incorrect.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 23:36 | 4961588 Anusocracy
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Do you pal around with rapists, murderers, and child molesters?

Probably not and there is your answer: kick the shitheads out of civilized society. There are 7+ billion people - the trouble makers are not needed for anything.

Of course people are wired to think that more warm bodies, including psychopaths of all sorts, are needed to compete with the tribe down the river, or the country on the other side of the mountains.

Hence, most people demand the type of society that destroys itself.

One generously laced with, and run by, psychopaths.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:26 | 4961236 Dublinmick
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I was drafted and we knew the real heroes were the students who were shot at Kent State.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 22:39 | 4961433 SmackDaddy
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this should be a mind fuck for a lot of the people here, haha:


Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:18 | 4961050 New_Meat
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Alarm-duuude, I'm with u

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:46 | 4960799 ratpack1968
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It may very well be a group of veterans who bravely rise up to protect YOU from the psychopaths currently in charge.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:06 | 4960854 r00t61
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Or it may be a group of veterans who get recalled to active duty to herd you all into the DHS FEMA camps for a Final Solution.

Or it may be a group of veterans who decide that it's all BS and they bug out to their shelters, leaving the rest to their own devices.

Or it may be a group of veterans who decide to stage a coup, only to install an even more corrupt administration in place of the klepto-fascist one that exists presently.

Or it may be a group of veterans that go pure merc, willing to kill on behalf of anyone willing to pay in fiat $€¥£.

Or it may be all of these things, occurring at the same time.

No one can know for sure.  History is replete with examples of all of the above.

Then again, there might not be many veterans left to do any of this, since they are committing suicide at a rate of 1 an hour.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:26 | 4960928 r00t61
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Oh, and how could I forget?  It could be active duty veterans shooting to death the retired veterans that are genuinely trying to do some good on the peoples' behalf.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 23:11 | 4961528 Paveway IV
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Bonus Army - Yay! That would be when the corageous Patton used chemical weapons - ON HIS OWN PEOPLE. Adamsite was a horrible arsenic-based vomiting agent - in theory. It practice, it often caused cardiac arrest or pulmonary edema (you drowned in the fluid secreted by your lungs). If you lived, exposure often lead to debilitating nerve damage and a crapload of other chronic ailments. All denied by the government, of course.

Think of Adamsite as one of the earlier forms of 'enhanced' VA medical benefits.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:28 | 4961243 Dublinmick
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Everyone will just continue drinking fluoride

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 22:54 | 4961485 bunnyswanson
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All you need to know is there is NOWHERE TO RUN.  The Americans will not be welcome as refugees into other countries after the foreign policy in place for the last decade has alienated everyone but a couple of you on this thread.  If America falls, middle class across the globe falls, and we will indeed see a new kind of life called totalitarianism take shape.  Mediocre citizens with no strength of character are preferred.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 01:59 | 4961790 trader1
Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:21 | 4961056 Statetheist
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And then what? They become my new rulers? I'll pass.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:21 | 4961055 Peak Finance
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YEs, I feel bad for the military guys. They are fucking children for christs sake.  They have NO IDEA what they are geting into, and are poorly educated (Not the soldiers specifically, just kids in general these days) and brainwashed by cradel to grave propangada. It took me fucking 30 years to figure out what's going on (and I am no dummy), so basically these kids have no chance. Of course we didn't have the internet growing up so maybe they will wake-up and figure it out quicker, who knows. 

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:31 | 4961251 SmackDaddy
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sounds like we might be on the same timeline.  took the asvab in '99 and scored in the 99th percentile.  fucking marine (i wanted to be in the bad-ass branch) recruiter almost shit his pants- told me i should go into aeronautics.  i said fuck that, i want to shoot shit and blow shit up, i'm going infantry.  obviously i was pretty sharp but immature and naive as fuck.  i went as far as signing on the dotted line,  but by that time i had already had a series of minor arrests for being a punk ass kid and when the background check came back i was disqualified.  two and half years later, we're at fucking war (that possibility just never occured to me).  unreal.  never would have imagined that getting in all that trouble as a teen may have saved my life (or sanity) 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 00:43 | 4961701 HardAssets
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@Peak Finance - I definitely agree with you about the kids in the military having no clue. I'm from a military family (Army brat) and served in the Navy for a few years. The American 'schools' were targeted a century ago to dumb down the populace, and all kids get out of them is a lot of propaganda. It wasn't always this way.  During the time of 'Little House on the Prairie' one room school houses, it was expected that kids already knew how to read before entering school (learned from their mothers at home). They were taught real history & civics and critical thinking skills. Not today.

Military people generally know nothing about the nature of money or the banking system. They know nothing about the financial interests that actually run the country. So, they are like most other Americans in being ignorant of these matters. Two time medal of honor winner, USMC Maj General Smedley Butler said he didn't start getting a clue until after he retired from the military.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 00:51 | 4961715 r00t61
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"My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher ups.  This is typical with everyone in the military." - Smedley Butler, United States Marine Corps, Major General, 2-time winner of the Medal of Honor, 1935

“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.” - Henry Kissinger, 1973

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 04:55 | 4961902 HardAssets
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"Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service." - Maj Gen Smedley Butler USMC Don't be a fool and don't let your sons grow up to be fools. And for those already in . . . remember that you took an oath to defend the US Constitution.  Know what it is.
Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:22 | 4960720 Unknown Rider
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In the past the will of the government was the will of the people, and someday that will be true again. Better to attack the government for their failings then to attack the brave souls sworn to protect your freedoms and also sworn to ignore the unlawful orders of that same government.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:24 | 4960729 viahj
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yeah but you can't "divide and conquer" with that line of reasoning

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:32 | 4960756 Unknown Rider
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Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:35 | 4960770 Anusocracy
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You are already conquered if you accept government.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:43 | 4960793 Unknown Rider
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Have you ever had to stand alone and fight for a right-of-way easement?, I am right now. The conflict is one that I'll eventually win but it gives me a new appreciation for government in the form of at least public roads. I couldn't tolerate having to open and close 50 gates on the way to work or the store, or to have to pay some idiot every time I crossed his property line. Be careful what you wish for and consider your neighbors, especially the nasty ones, before you opt in for no government.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:00 | 4960832 nmewn
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You bought landlocked property with no ingress/egress easement?

You moved to the country from the city didn't you? ;-)

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:11 | 4960876 Unknown Rider
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Not quite, you're never landlocked when you have you own a bulldozer and live near nowhere, it's a matter of proximity to the closest paved road. I have a legal easement and the guy that bought the neighbors land on the courthouse steps decided he didn't want to abide. And wrong too on the second count, but that's okay with me.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:21 | 4960913 nmewn
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"I have a legal easement and the guy that bought the neighbors land on the courthouse steps decided he didn't want to abide." the neighbor moved out from the city and bought the tax lien to your former neighbors land.

There's a lot of ways I can go with that but I'll leave it alone, you seem alright. And you have a bulldozer, which I would take to his house.

But thats just me ;-)

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:26 | 4960927 Unknown Rider
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Correct on all counts. And the true ending of the story won't be know, even by me, for a month or so.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:36 | 4960956 nmewn
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You know (another short nmewn story I was involved in a, ahhh, hmmm...problem...and a few of my buddies said why don't you take a vacation and we'll solve it while you're gone, take lots of pictures while you're gone.

Well...I declined, sorta, said I really appreciated it

(Its a public forum)

You're probably going about it the right way, just watch for nails in the drive when its over.

Sayin ;-)

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:22 | 4961058 New_Meat
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buildin' a "watcher back" mentality for, well, to infinity and beyond---

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:25 | 4961069 Winston Churchill
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You'll be lucky.

It can take years on those disputes.

A hit man is quicker, and less stressful(for you).

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:06 | 4960857 PoliticalRefuge...
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@Unknown Rider..

I agree that people especially when they have you over the barrel can be hard to deal with, but somewhere between Mad Max and what we have now there must be some compromise.

I and a friend fought an easement over maintaining a gold prospect with the BLM decades ago, they wanted a complete replanting of the graded section of a dirt road from nowhere to nowhere with native desert seeds, I can't imagine their demands today.

I think Bundy had some problems with them as well, luckily no one got shot- this time.



Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:17 | 4960896 Unknown Rider
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No argument from me on any of that; I agree with you completely. I feel sorry for you about the BLM - I deal with them too. Every seed is sacred........

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:33 | 4960944 Duffy Duck
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You're right - the 'all the roads could be private' notion is insanely idiotic which doesn't stop idealists from adhering to it.


That's idealism for you - you keep driving past reasonable, park in crazy town, and wonder why nothing makes sense in the place you find yourself in.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:45 | 4960973 Herd Redirectio...
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Well, it did happen historically at 'checkpoints', or 'chokepoints', more specifically. 

France's rivers were 'feudal' in this respect until well after the 1700s.  Made it cheaper to get timber from the Baltic.

And of course, Denmark make money from tolls for CENTURIES, restricting passage through the Straits.  Then there is the example with Istanbul, controlling from the Bosporus down to the Dardanelles.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:24 | 4961064 Statetheist
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No, it's actually all very logical and makes perfect sense. The thing that does not make sense is that people would accept coercion through violence for the convenience of driving their automobile on a road. I pity those people.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:22 | 4961062 Statetheist
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You are absolutely confused as to what anarchy truly is. If you appreciate being ruled through violence and force then you are very lost as a person.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:54 | 4960813 PoliticalRefuge...
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.."every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under".. or something like that..

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:55 | 4960820 tolivian
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Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:25 | 4961068 New_Meat
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Ol' HL, who made a fine living off of this...

but I'm a'likin' the cynicism

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:34 | 4960763 Anusocracy
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Sorry, but shitty governments wouldn't exist without shitty people supporting them.

And how can government protect freedom when it is the opposite of freedom?

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:47 | 4960802 Unknown Rider
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I can agree with you on that count. I don't like liberal voters or the big money liberal donors that rob us of our rights either. It's the rare military, cop, guard, border patrol, coast guard, etc., member that votes for more government or for less freedoms.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:55 | 4960816 tolivian
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But in my recent experience and that of many of my friends spread throughout the good ole USA, it is the rare cop, customs official, border patrol agent or government bureaucrat who doesn't act the thug more often than not. 

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:06 | 4960856 Unknown Rider
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No argument from me on that one, I find the same to be true of waiters, clerks, a few neighbors, and on and on. Each of the professions you named is a little slice of America: you'll find check bouncers to rapists to murders in all of those fields and it's only because you might have more exposure to them in a public venue that you notice it. There is no magic filtering process that can catch every quirk or bad behavior.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:25 | 4961232 Crawdaddy
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I hear ya but the main difference between the popo and the rest of society, I can tell any of the rest of society to get stuffed without a high chance of a receiving a super-size serving of happy taser with side order of beat down.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:14 | 4961043 Statetheist
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There are no such thing as rights. Rights are something government invents to make it's gullible citizenry believe they are getting a good deal out of their enslavement.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:59 | 4961340 nmewn
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What the fuck is this...what planet do you live on? Would you like to meet me tomorrow in an alley of our choosing and discuss what rights government has "granted" you?

Your "rights"...even to exist, is solely contingent on your own force of will, no government on earth can protect you from me or others like me, not now, not ever.

Now, don't you feel safer waving around "paper rights" a government has invented for you? ;-)

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 22:21 | 4961403 Statetheist
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Glad we agree

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 23:29 | 4961566 Paveway IV
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WTF, nmewn? 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 00:31 | 4961682 Anusocracy
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You are so clueless.

The society you live in is a creation of government designed to make you want government. In your case it is working perfectly.

Even your choice of an alley. It's government owned, like you.

Mind you, I want you to have your government. But what irrational thinking drives you to want to force it on all others? I suppose it has to do with an inability to control your less than human nature. That's how it is in the animal world.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 06:31 | 4961953 nmewn
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"The society you live in is a creation of government designed to make you want government."

Well, how come its not having the desired effect?

"Even your choice of an alley. It's government owned, like you."

And if I would have said a trail in the woods, does it own that and me too? Nothing manmade owns me unless I allow it, then it becomes voluntary, otherwise it is coercion by way of force.

But really, he got my meaning, he agreed, we are born with our rights, they are inate to us as humans. Government does not grant them. It can only infringe on them or respect/allow them, as they already came into being (into existence-our reality) at the time of our birth and as we become adults have the ability to fight & retain them.

That is the only two choices it has...allow what is already there or prohibit.

Outside of playing games of course while trying to fool people into believing they/it gives rights to you or takes them away at their/its whim, at their discretion. Because how, by what mechanism does it grant people the right to overthrow itself whenever it becomes tyranny?

Seems, self destructuve ;-)

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:50 | 4964773 Anusocracy
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There is no right to form a government, nor is there any other right.

You just BELIEVE there is.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:34 | 4960948 reTARD
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  • Whenever you hear a man speak of his love for his country, it is a sign that he expects to be paid for it.
  • In war the heroes always outnumber the soldiers ten to one.
  • In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell.
  • It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place.
  • It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.
  • I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.
  • Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.
  • The cure for the evils of democracy is more democracy!
  • Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
  • Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
  • Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses.
  • Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.
  • As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
  • Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent.
  • The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
  • What men value in this world is not rights but privileges.
  • I believe in only one thing: liberty; but I do not believe in liberty enough to want to force it upon anyone.
  • All government, of course, is against liberty.

All quotes from H.L. Mencken

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:13 | 4961040 Statetheist
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No, actually that was never true. At no point in time has any government ever served the will of the people it rules over with coercion with violence.

Those "brave souls" you mention are nothing more than brainwashed killbots serving their masters. At no time ever was their violence meant to protect your "freedoms".

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:38 | 4961117 logicalman
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Once you are in, if you disobey orders in wartime, you'll likely not last long.

If you shoot at the other side, the odds are probably better.

Refusing orders is hardly an option.


Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:28 | 4960744 Anusocracy
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Nice to see the subhumans down voting in support of their fellow subhumans.

I'm sure your God is going to welcome killers like you into heaven.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:13 | 4960880 nmewn
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I down voted him too.

So what is it with you people, you rant & rave to "kill the bankers" and yet when someone actually kills someone (because its their job) they're branded killers for life. 

You don't believe there are good killers and bad killers? 

And what the hell is this: "I'm sure your God is going to welcome killers like you into heaven."

There is a vast difference in killing and murder or am I supposed to spare the murderer who comes in my house so that I get to heaven...faster? ;-)

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:49 | 4960979 Herd Redirectio...
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You are missing the part where first there is justice, and then there is punishment.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:30 | 4961083 New_Meat
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herd-thang, u are missing the part where the justice that u write-of isn't really first, nor enforced with equal vigour, nor is enforced of with broad and equitable powers.

and punishment?  We have seen the (lakov) sanctions ...

- Ned

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:36 | 4961101 nmewn
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Justice doesn't need law.

Tyrants & dictators make laws about rebellion all the time. No disrespect intended at all (and thats my number one green on you by the way) but I'm getting a little tired of groveling before courts & lawyers about their interpretation of justice.

I just can't remember the last time I called a cop because I don't want them in my life. I consider myself a fair man and an honest man (with only a small drop of larceny, just like any other normal, mortal man.)

I pulled jury duty a few years ago and I went into with the thought he is innocent until proven guilty beyond any shadow of doubt even knowing the horrendous thing he was charged with (a child). I was ready to let the physical evidence decide.

There was none, no physical evidence.

Everyone else was like "Hang the fucker!!!" when we were led back & forth out of the box back into chambers.

Then a prosecution witness got on the stand (her sister) and mentioned something that wasn't supposed to be mentioned...there were other children...I had been wrong all along.

In my dispassionate viewing of pure evidence (just the thing in front of me, not this over there) justice was violated. The court (the judge himself, because the defense was an idiot) declared a mistrial.

The accused (the guilty) walked away from that one, right out of the courtroom.

But the little girl has an older brother.

That my friend, is justice.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:13 | 4961039 EBT excepted
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good killer hero...

bad killer scapegoat.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 23:50 | 4961619 Anusocracy
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I want you to live in whatever the hell fucked up society you want but you want to hire fucking subhuman killers to force me to submit to your fucked up society.

That is the sickness you subhumans have - the absolutely total lack of compunction about killing people JUST SO YOU CAN GET YOUR WAY.

You, and the sick mindset that possesses you, are the problem.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:38 | 4961273 Freddie
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Obama and the NWO are destroying Amerika and the military and Pentagon does nothing to defend The Constitution.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 22:26 | 4961416 bunnyswanson
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Do you live in a cartoon?  Make no mistake, Americans will be prison labor slaves with an unpayable debt unless this is stopped.  You and your offspring will be paying the price of allowing the US govt to be over ruled by dual citizens who are strategically destroying your economy, your currency, your credit rating, your healthcare, education, freedom and possibility to live as your parents did. Streets and entire blocks will be set on fire as an excuse to find a terrorists (see GAZA strip) and off to the FEMA camps you go for processing.  You sound like you would make a wonderful slave and bitch all at the same time.

When I was nearly robbed during a home invasion, I was told to get a gun.  If this happens again, they said, shoot through the door or into the ceiling - Just knowing I have the gun was enough.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 00:21 | 4961673 grgy
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What a stupid map.  We already know America's ex-military lives everywhere and that will be a godsend when the shit hits the fan.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:15 | 4960702 Ban KKiller
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New Mexico...shoot first and get promoted! Take your pstd out on civilians!

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:18 | 4960904 Colonel Klink
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The down votes must be the thugs carrying out the shooting of innocent civilians.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:31 | 4961086 New_Meat
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ban-ass- not in NM

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:14 | 4961200 Thanatos
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You might be confused...

The "We Inflict (not receive) PTSD" quote is from a BANNER that hung above the Graduation Ceremony for the IDAHO State Police in 2007 (iirc). Somebody got in trouble for that one too...

New Mexico has ALWAYS been a shoot first State. If you doubt the veracity of my assertion I encourage you to perform some homework. They want you to consider yourself privileged when they choose to "look up inside ya" for meh.. 6 hrs or so. After all, they didn't flashbang you or even shoot you...

When "Community Policing" went away, so did the "Community Police Officer"... That guy who knew everything that was happening in AOR? Now it's all "Intel" supplied from outside...

Now Police teams "swim" out into the population, make a raid and rally back on "friendly" turf. The Paramilitary mindset has taken hold and been ingrained in the culture of Law Enforcement. Partially due to more sophisticated criminal elements, but largely as a methodology to keep the plebes in check and to draw a paycheck.


Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:16 | 4960706 tardball
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More like home of the stupid.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:18 | 4960712 maskone909
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Kind of disturbing that we have a database that catalogues the location of usa military personnels residences.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:31 | 4960752 The Alarmist
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Looks like it is keyed largely to retiree populations ... might include non-retiree veterans, but I suspect that would be far more diverse than what is shown here.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:37 | 4960773 Ol Man
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In 2005 my wife and moved to a new state.  Two months after the move, I received a letter fron the VA informing me that their database had been compromized and my personal data may have been released.  I had not updated anyone about my new address, I had not even updated my driver's license.  We had not set up mail forwarding.  Yet the letter came directly to the new address.  I still don't know how they got it less than two months after the move.



Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:42 | 4960787 fonzannoon
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maybe there is a chip in your ass. It's probably in all our asses by now.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:31 | 4961089 New_Meat
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up his ass ???

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:32 | 4961092 jbvtme
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i read an article recently that said 1 in 3 americans is chipped.  who do you complain to about lousy reception?

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:16 | 4960848 Pure Evil
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All you have to do is think back to whomever, grocery store to get discounts, utilities, bank/credit union, credit cards, etc., that you gave your new address. Even if you're renting your name goes into a database. Especially if they did a background check on you. They enter your name and new address in a Lexus/Nexus database and poof, you've been found. Just think back to any organization that you gave your name and new address to and that's the leak.

Utilities, new accounts at banks/credit unions and such will run credit checks on you and boom, you're back in the system.

You had to have given your name and new address to at least one person that then ran some form of background check on you. Boom, you're in the matrix.

The only escape is to go Ted Kaczynski in a cabin that you build yourself in the mountains without the sending of package bombs. If you're trying to escape civilization you don't go out of your way to send invitations to get people to come looking for you.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:55 | 4961328 Thanatos
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Now that was Pure Evil advice.

I bet he got hit on Utilities. Everyone gets hit on Utilities.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 00:05 | 4961641 Paveway IV
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Address change information is not simply pushed to, but exchanged with big companies and government agencies who subscribe to the USPS Address Change data. If you move without a forwarding address and the mail is returned to them (or carrier reports the house is gone/empty, etc), then they at least know you moved. The USPS computers look for your new address from address changes submitted to them by bulk mailers for finance/insurance accounts, tax reporting/government benefits and utilitiy/phone accounts. The USPS uses them as high-score proxies for an actual move. It's obviously not perfect, but pretty damn good considering. And, yes... kind of creepy and intrusive in that Orwellian sort of way (Don't taze me, nmewn). 

The USPS doesn't use something trivial like a single reported address change from a magazine subscription to determine your new address. A couple from banks or any from government agencies will certainly trigger a USPS update and forwarding. The USPS knows that a significant number of people will never file an address change or forward order at the post office, so they use this as an alternate way to find you. A formal address change form from you trumps all those alternate methods and is published to all other address change list subscribers. That's how even your junk mail eventually gets to you, guaranteeing the pensions of many fine postal employees for years to come. At least on paper. Post office pensions are underfunded by oh... fifty billion or so. Looks like a lot of dry dog food in retirement.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 21:15 | 4961205 Boondocker
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Heaven forbid you ever get a security clearance you background folder is constantly updated.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:44 | 4960795 seek
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Don't forget the selective service database -- not only do they know where all the vets are, they know where all the cannon-fodder-to-be live as well.

Nothing goes untracked in the US.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:35 | 4960950 toady
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Kinda disturbing that there are databases that track everything about everyone all the time.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:39 | 4961122 newworldorder
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Military pensions, VA benefits receaved, military associations, etc all are visible to most US Fed govt departments.

And by the way, so are all civilian organizations, starting with the basic of all needs, healthcare.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:18 | 4960714 thatthingcanfly
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I wonder how many US veterans live in Bangkok? Tijuana?

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:26 | 4960738 world_debt_slave
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ha, ha, relocated two years ago from Cali to the state w/o police militarization, yet anyway.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:47 | 4960976 mt paul
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watch out for walrus...

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 20:33 | 4961095 New_Meat
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mail?  e-mail?


Tue, 07/15/2014 - 18:37 | 4960774 still kicking
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I'm pretty damned impressed with Oklahoma, given that number I should have one parked around here somewhere.  Someone must be doubling up...greedy Bastard.

Tue, 07/15/2014 - 19:02 | 4960779 alexcojones
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As a Rolling Homeless US Veteran, I live and work in Alaska in the summer, Arizona in the winter and in my car (Tent) in the desert when I get tired of people

This summer I'm all over the map

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