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20 Signs The Terrible Drought In The Western US Is Starting To Become Catastrophic

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

When scientists start using phrases such as "the worst drought" and "as bad as you can imagine" to describe what is going on in the western half of the country, you know that things are bad.  Thanks to an epic drought that never seems to end, we are witnessing the beginning of a water crisis that most people never even dreamed was possible in this day and age.  The state of California is getting ready to ban people from watering their lawns and washing their cars, but if this drought persists we will eventually see far more extreme water conservation measures than that.  And the fact that nearly half of all of the produce in America comes out of the state of California means that ultimately this drought is going to deeply affect all of us.  Food prices have already been rising at an alarming rate, and the longer this drought goes on the higher they will go.   Let us hope and pray that this drought is permanently broken at some point, because otherwise we could very well be entering an era of extreme water rationing, gigantic dust storms and crippling food prices.

 

The following are 20 signs that the epic drought in the western half of the United States is starting to become apocalyptic...

#1 According to the Los Angeles Times, downtown Los Angeles is now the driest that it has been since records began being kept all the way back in 1877.

#2 The California State Water Resources Control Board says that nearly 50 communities are already on the verge of running out of water.

#3 In a desperate attempt to conserve water, the state of California is considering banning watering lawns and washing cars.  Once implemented, violators will be slapped with a $500 fine for each offense.

#4 It has been reported that a new social media phenomenon known as "drought shaming" has begun in California.  People are taking videos and photos of their neighbors wasting water and posting them to Facebook and Twitter.

#5 Climate scientist Tim Barnett says that the water situation in Las Vegas "is as bad as you can imagine", and he believes that unless the city "can find a way to get more water from somewhere" it will soon be "out of business".

#6 The water level in Lake Mead has now fallen to the lowest level since 1937, and it continues to drop at a frightening pace.  You can see some incredible photos of what has happened to Lake Mead right here.

#7 Rob Mrowka of the Center for Biological Diversity believes that the city of Las Vegas is going to be forced to downsize because of the lack of water...

The drought is like a slow spreading cancer across the desert. It's not like a tornado or a tsunami, bang. The effects are playing out over decades. And as the water situation becomes more dire we are going to start having to talk about the removal of people (from Las Vegas).

#8 In some areas of southern Nevada, officials are actually paying people to remove their lawns in a desperate attempt to conserve water.

#9 According to Accuweather, "more than a decade of drought" along the Colorado River has set up an "impending Southwest water shortage" which could ultimately affect tens of millions of people.

#10 Most people don't realize this, but the once mighty Colorado River has become so depleted that it no longer runs all the way to the ocean.

#11 Lake Powell is less than half full at this point.

#12 It is being projected that the current drought in California will end up costing the state more than 2 billion dollars this year alone.

#13 Farmers in California are allowing nearly half a million acres to lie fallow this year due to the extreme lack of water.

#14 The lack of produce coming from the state of California will ultimately affect food prices in the entire nation.  Just consider the following statistics from a recent Business Insider article...

California is one of the U.S.'s biggest food producers — responsible for almost half the country's produce and nuts and 25% of our milk and cream. Eighty percent of the world's almonds come from the state, and they take an extraordinary amount of water to produce — 1.1 gallons per almond.

#15 As underground aquifers are being relentlessly drained in California, some areas of the San Joaquin Valley are sinking by 11 inches a year.

#16 It is being projected that the Kansas wheat harvest will be the worst that we have seen since 1989.

#17 The extended drought has created ideal conditions for massive dust storms to form.  You can see video of one female reporter bravely reporting from the middle of a massive dust storm in Phoenix right here.

#18 Things are so dry in California right now that people are actually starting to steal water.  For example, one Mendocino County couple recently had 3,000 gallons of water stolen from them.  It was the second time this year that they had been hit.

#19 At the moment, close to 80 percent of the state of California is experiencing either "extreme" or "exceptional" drought.

#20 National Weather Service meteorologist Eric Boldt says that this is "the worst drought we probably have seen in our lifetime".

Most people just assume that this drought will be temporary, but experts tell us that there have been "megadroughts" throughout history in the western half of the United States that have lasted for more than 100 years.

If we have entered one of those eras, it is going to fundamentally change life in America.

And the frightening thing is that much of the rest of the world is dealing with water scarcity issues right now as well.  In fact, North America is actually in better shape than much of Africa and Asia.  For much more on this, please see my previous article entitled "25 Shocking Facts About The Earth’s Dwindling Water Resources".

Without plenty of fresh water, modern civilization is not possible.

And right now, the western United States and much of the rest of the world is starting to come to grips with the fact that we could be facing some very serious water shortages in the years ahead.

 

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Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:24 | 4965292 Dublinmick
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Bring on the idiots, it is all due to ............................ climate cooling, yes that is the ticket!

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:35 | 4965331 Liberal
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As a staunch liberal, I believe President Obama should ban droughts and Chairwomyn Yellin should print water.

Thank you.

Now lets get back to the issue of our time: the Hobby Lobby decision and why we should pay for everyone's birth control.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:46 | 4965371 RafterManFMJ
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This guy really needs an editor, or to learn some basic writing.

 

"...that it has been since records began being kept all the way back in 1877."

 

No need for that, and you sound like a 6th grader.

"...officials are actually paying people..."

"... people are actually starting to steal water."

"Without plenty of fresh water, modern civilization is not possible."

Sure it will, it will just stink more.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:51 | 4965380 NOTaREALmerican
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Re;  it will just stink more.

Actually, that is a sign of a non-modern society.  

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:17 | 4965484 cifo
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And that's how Buffalo and Detroit may get second chances.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:18 | 4965498 max2205
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Thank goodness. ....I needed a 20 point list before I go night night

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:23 | 4965517 Stackers
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The real problem is not that the drought is abnormal for the western US, but that the past century has been abnormally wet and it is simply reverting back to what it usually is.

National Geo. did a good artcl on it a few months back

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/02/140214-drought-californi...

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:35 | 4965557 knukles
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The problem with most of the produce effect is not lack of water, period....
Most of the AG related water shortages are due to the water originally deeded/allocated to farmers being cut off and shipped (aqueduct system etc.) south to LA etc. to keep the fucking voters happy.
It's the products out of the Central Valley going scarce.

Solution?
Desal the piss out of the Pacific for LA, San Diego, et al and Inland Empire etc., quit sending AG water south to car washes etc.

Much of the problem, aside from the lack of rain/snow, has been created by asinine governmental programs.

Yeah, yeah, I know, generalities, but I got family in the AG biz, so I do have a clue..
And be careful if you don't know CA, water, etc., first hand before ranting and raving.

I'm not in any way stating we've NOT got a water problem, and BIG TIME, WE DO.
I'm saying that much of that available is going to waste rather than for Agriculture.

And you can be damned sure this will create additional man made political crises to which only costly irrelevant political solutions will be applied

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:17 | 4965705 chumbawamba
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Simple solution: ban lawns.  Period.  Arizona suburbs have a nice model for landscaping: rocks.  Looks just as nice.

Biggest waste of water man ever cultivated into the most functionally useless vegetation.  Look, you can't have carpeting outside, OK?  Do you want to bathe and drink and live, or do you want to look good as your civilization dies?  Whatever answer you choose, the correct result will manifest.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:24 | 4965736 flacon
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Your children will be taught that the "Greatest Depression" was due to the "western dustbowl" just like you were taught that the "Great Depression" was caused by the "western dustbowl". No mention of money, federal reserve or banking will be taught to your children. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:20 | 4965976 NoDebt
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Hey, it just wouldn't be a proper depression without a good dustbowl.

Grapes of Wrath, bitchez.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:28 | 4968208 TheRedScourge
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There is a simple solution to all this: raise the price of water, perhaps quadruple it.

 

Why have a price system if you're not going to use it?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:20 | 4965980 Ben Ghazi
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No real need to teach about banking when everyone is broke.

 

Easier to blame the dustbowl (or Bush) for everything.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:24 | 4965998 chumbawamba
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Your children maybe.

-Chumbz.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 02:14 | 5036787 IndyPat
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Anyone care to discuss the water cooling systems for the desert datacenters?
Google, Yahoo, NSA...who knows who else.
They come first.

They use fucktons of water. (Imperial fuckton, not metric)

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:32 | 4965754 steveharless
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with all the technological advances....like cloud seeding should be used to cure the drought....instead you see massive chem trails all over las vegas and southern california....hmmmm I smell monsanto causing the drought to pick up some farmer's land CHEAP!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:21 | 4965978 Matt
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All cloud seeding will do, at best, is take rain from people downwind of you. It does not increase humidity or rainfall, it just makes the moisture above you condensate.

I think it would be better to make large areas of flats along the ocean and evaporate more water, to make more total humidity and rainfall.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:26 | 4966304 OldPhart
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So you advocate human caused climate change?  That's refreshing!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 10:02 | 4967167 Endgamer
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Kick the drought can over to the red states of the central US.  Fitting solution.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:53 | 4966172 LosOsos
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I agree that the distribution and mis-management of our water supplies is a larger problem than the lack of rainfall we have experienced. In the heart of the drought on the central coast where I live our municipal drinking water supplies (while stressed) are still OK because we don't rely on the state water project. Cyclic drought is the name of the game in California, some areas have prepared for this while others haven't.

While century has most likely been wetter than average do not take this to mean that California used to be a dry wasteland. In fact when the Spanish arrived it was noted that most of the central valley was a giant wetland covered in oak trees and meandering streams and rivers coming down from the  sierras. Unfortunately due to poor farming techniques involving the clear cutting of trees to make way for large, flat monocropped tracts of land we have destroyed the natural flow of water and impaired the hydrological cycle effectively creating our own misfortune.

We've forgotten the importance of forests and trees and how they constitue a large part of the hydroglogical cycle. Trees transpire more water than dry matter produced and a large oak tree can transpire 40,000 gallons of water into the atmosphere per year. In a properly balanced ecosystem water isn't as much "used up" by plants as it is a facilitator of reactions.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:16 | 4966642 Antifaschistische
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don't forget the 427,000 acres dedicated to wine grapes...which supply the 1200 wineries in California...Including Gallo and their influence over Sacramento.  So, you may not be able to wash your car or afford carrots, but you can be sure the truckloads of grapes will keep moving into the wineries.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:50 | 4965840 junction
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If the USA now was the same country as the USA of 1962, there would now be a series of water aqueducts and underground pipelines being constructed to bring Canadian water all the way south from British Columbia to Las Vegas and points west.  That won't happen, of course, since the civil engineers we have in the USA now can't even keep highway bridges from falling down.   

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:31 | 4966314 OldPhart
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We wouldn't have pipes, we would have resevoirs already holding millions of acrefeet of water.  Commiefornia, however, prefers to pay for wetbacks and to have spouses, siblings, children and parents to watch over loved ones in ill health.  AND, drain water from reservoirs to support fish.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:35 | 4967005 zerocash
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Lybia could build something like that (google "great man made river") but then they were "liberated" and NATO blasted it to smithereens.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:58 | 4966493 ShrNfr
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Yes, you were just hanging around and being listless until it appeared.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:21 | 4965506 bigkansas
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#16 It is being projected that the Kansas wheat harvest will be the worst that we have seen since 1989.

WHAT? If the rest of the "Facts" are as accurate as this one you can write off the whole addaral, Ops I mean article. There is so much rain in Kansas that farmers are having trouble harvisting due to the mud.
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:25 | 4966128 Upton
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You need the rain when its growing, not while your cutting it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:00 | 4966832 Beowulf55
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Sure tell you don't farm.  Yes, we got some rains.  Yes, it was slow cutting this year.  But the rain came to late for the wheat harvest and we still have a large rain deficit to get back to our normal 26" a year.  My creek where it joins the Solomon river is dry for the first time in my memory.  And the only reason we have water in the Solomon is because we have Glen Elder lake 16 miles away that they are draining for irrigation.  But after August, they will shut the flow down to a trickle and the city water will again taste like shit with the highest Atrazine rates in the State.

We averaged 12 bu/acre wheat this year.  The height of the wheat didn't even come over the back of a miniature schnauzer because we had no rain in the winter or spring.  The bottom of the header was polished as we had to run it on the ground most of the time just to get all the wheat we could find. It was well below our average of 40 bu/acre, yet the price is still dropping.  $6.02 per bu here yesterday.  Fucking grain speculators.....

Now what rain we did get in June has stopped and the fall crops that benefited are in danger of failing.  The only thing saving the crops now is the polar vortex keeping things in the mid '70's (in July?).  Corn is starting tasseling and if we get hit by the normal July heat wave with no rain, the corn will shut down growth.  Next week the heat will be back in the high 90's with no rain forecast.  It's a critical time as Kansas IS NOT CORN COUNTRY (hear that Monsanto?).  And now with the price of corn and beans falling because speculators back east think we have planted an over-abundance it is a double whammy for the farmer.  People are clueless about what is happening in Kansas.  Get a little ground truth, come for a visit and talk to a Farmer.  Of course when people get hungry enough they will eat the GMO shit (if they can get it) that most brainwashed Farmer grow around here. 

Give it to Mikey, he'll eat anything.........but that's for another rant.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:53 | 4966058 Ben Ghazi
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Fuck Detroit!

 

Fuck Michigan!        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LjcRlI1EII

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:03 | 4966439 Simple J. Malarky
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Having a Great Lake in your backyard may help! Maybe........

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:16 | 4966645 j0nx
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8 inches of rain here in the DC area in the past 10 days. Move east young man. I'll take the dry climate any day over this wet shit. Seattle is a desert compared to the northeast most years.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:12 | 4966445 barre-de-rire
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you already stink more, and not only, regulary cholera & plague are discovered in colorado.

you should close nevada valves imho, before it spreads to whole country.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:24 | 4966452 RadioactiveRant
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Modern France has little use for water, they drink wine and never wash.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:17 | 4966649 samcontrol
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Hey radio , va te faire foutre.

i drink
Argentinian wine and take a shower every other day :)

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:34 | 4965558 dobermangang
Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:01 | 4965414 nmewn
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See Liberal, I knew you had it in you.

Well done ;-)

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:03 | 4965899 Kirk2NCC1701
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What's the Squid projecting?  Go Long or Short?

I mean... they got friends/servants working at HAARP, right? /s

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:06 | 4966092 Lordflin
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Personally, I believe that folks should stop draining the world's aquifers and just use the water that the stores make.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:54 | 4966176 Serenity Now
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Great idea.  We should put you in charge of California.  ;)

Hmm, should I water my banana trees with Fiji or Evian water?  Definitely Fiji.  Sounds more tropical.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:41 | 4967037 zerocash
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Use Brawndo. It's what plants crave!

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 02:24 | 5036796 IndyPat
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Electrolytes!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:42 | 4966742 redd_green
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Well, they wouldn't really *print* water. What they would do, is take YOUR water, OUR water, give us an IOU, and print a bond that we will have to pay interest on forever.     The bankers get the money, foreign companies get the water, and we get  ... nothing but the bill.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:55 | 4967124 Citxmech
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How aboiut a futures market?  Just start selling future rainfall to farmers.  Problem solved and the price would come down too. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:20 | 4967529 DullKnife
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California soon to ban bathing.

Citizens to be limited to one bath per month.

Toilets limited to one flush per day.

Telecommuting favorability expected to rise significantly.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:26 | 4967590 dbTX
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Someone told me clean water was a human right. What's the deal?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 02:26 | 5036799 IndyPat
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Clean water is a mega corp right, fool. Gotta cool those spy servers.

And if we see a rain barrel on your gutter our swat team will put a flash bang in your baby's crib if you don't like it,

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:55 | 4965395 Evil Bugeyes
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According to the NRDC, global warming should result in devastating floods and heavy rains:

http://www.nrdc.org/health/climate/floods.asp

"Scientists project that climate change will increase the frequency of heavy rainstorms, putting many communities at risk for devastation from floods..."

So the drought must be evidence of global cooling. We need moar CO2.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:49 | 4965619 Berspankme
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#wewantourwater

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:56 | 4966179 Serenity Now
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#bringbackourwater

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:59 | 4966184 Serenity Now
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oops, double

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:53 | 4965855 Freddie
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Non event.  Plenty of water with illegals flooding in.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:14 | 4966520 doctor10
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About time to elect another Clinton to piss all over us while they tell us its raining!!

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:28 | 4965297 One And Only
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When scientists start using phrases such as "the worst drought" and "as bad as you can imagine" to describe what is going on in the western half of the country, you know that things are bad. 

Scientists also said Antarctica was going to melt because of global warming EXCEPT it grew at it's fastest rate in recorded history. This all AFTER scientists claimed a coming ice age back in the 70's. These fucking people are like politicians in that they put fear in the minds of people to get funding. 

Is milk good or bad for you? What do the scientists say? Exactly.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:33 | 4965327 astroloungers
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#21 .Whiskey is fer drinkin.........waters fer fightin over.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:10 | 4965463 massbytes
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Bull.  The total Antarctic ice mass is decreasing at about 160 billion metric tons per year.  And somebody said something in the 70's?  OMG.  Lets believe nothing any scientist says after that.  What a dumba** you are.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:18 | 4965488 One And Only
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If you think men cause the Earth to warm than what caused the ice age to melt?

And you're correct. Many scientists have become politicized and have turned controversial disciplines (like climate studies) and turned them into religions. So no I will not blindly believe everything every scientist says.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:32 | 4965551 massbytes
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So if other forces caused warming in the past, man cannot be increasing whatever the temperatures would have been without man's presence?  A cave man once lit a fire, so I guess I can't also.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:40 | 4965584 One And Only
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Or maybe or more reasonable conclusion would be: the sun.

That big fucking ball of fire that expands and contracts  and of which we know nothing about that also coincidentally is responsible for heating our entire solar system.

Maybe that has something to do with our climate?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:44 | 4965602 massbytes
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Well "duh" for you Captain Obvious.  BUT why can't man influence whatever the climate would have been without man?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:52 | 4965629 One And Only
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What would the climate have been without man?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:22 | 4965981 Tall Tom
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His solution will be to make man extinct so that he can determine that climate. The environmentalist movement is filled with people whom claim that Planet Earth would be better off without humans.

 

They are not worth the effort to engage in serious dialouge.

 

They want to "Save the Planet" Save the Planet from what? Man?

 

Looking forward to the collapse. Man will survive.

 

But the environmentalists will not as they will have to engage in productive activities.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:23 | 4966125 allgoodmen
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They know exactly what the weather will be in 2100, quoting scientists who cannot accurately forecast the weather for next week. And, the "solution" to "our problem" always seems to be for the West to shut down its economy.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:06 | 4966198 Tall Tom
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If you have ever read that which I have wrote...which you have not.

 

The Climatologists do not know what the CLIMATE will be like in 2100. (There is a difference between climate and weather.)

 

Climatology is an infant science. Meteorolgy is much better with their forecasting models. The meteorologists are roughly 85% ACCURATE within 5 Days. That is pretty damned good considering all of the dynamics involved with forecasting Weather.

 

Of course the advent of the Modern Computer has been extremely useful as the Models use Statistical Analysis. The Meteorologists can crunch the numbers and get a good idea what will happen but as for understanding what is beneath it is lacking.

 

However the Climatologists models are too simple and simply flawed. They do not have enough data to do any substantial analysis.

 

Just because I expose the Environmentalist Agenda does not mean that I have any support for it...BECAUSE I DO NOT.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:26 | 4966307 MEAN BUSINESS
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Golly if those meteorologists could only team up with those climatatologists then maybe they'd be able to come up with a pretty decent ASSESSMENT?

oh look ASSessment and ASShole have the same first three letters. Gosh.

World Meteorological Organization - co-sponsor of the IPCC

Michell Jarraud, Sec/Gen WMO, meteorological SCIENTIST

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:35 | 4966714 NeedtoSecede
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I call these fanatical eco-freaks the Extinction Party.  Usually, in addition to their blind adherence to the religion of "man-made climate change", they also seem to be militant abortionists too.  They usually are childless, they hate everyone else's kids, they hate everyone who has chosen to have kids, and they are militantly pro abortion.  Angry people who can't seem to grasp that the only logical conclusion of their worldview is extintion.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 10:43 | 4967356 viahj
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and yet they continue to spew CO2

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:27 | 4966002 Crawdaddy
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Al Gore tried taxing the sun before but the sun would simply fry the invoices long before reaching the mailbox. Carbon and CO2 are manbearpig's Plan B.

The majority of scientist are on record as supporting the theory Al Goe is a dumbass puppet for globalist bankster scum.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:12 | 4966201 Tall Tom
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Fuck Al Gore and the Globalist Scum for which he is employed.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:37 | 4966237 knowshitsurelock
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The Sun?  Now you've really wedged the Liberals panties with that one.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:27 | 4966000 buddybear
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"Scientist" once claimed the earth was flat. They also believed bleeding people would cure them of all kinds of malady's. They said Freon was going to eat a hole in the atmosphere. It didn't. They said DDT was responsible for the death of Pelicans. It wasn't. They claimed in the early 1970"s that an Ice Age was going to kill us all. Now it's warming that will kill us. Bull! "Scientist" have been wrong about a lot of things in the past and will be wrong about a lot of things in the future. Take what they say with a grain of salt.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 02:36 | 5036809 IndyPat
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Average temp for Indianapolis was 71 degrees for July.
Unheard of. Record.

It's essentially 1 degree of free air conditioning.

It also means that I'll be shoveling snow this winter like a SOB....again.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:28 | 4966003 buddybear
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"Scientist" once claimed the earth was flat. They also believed bleeding people would cure them of all kinds of malady's. They said Freon was going to eat a hole in the atmosphere. It didn't. They said DDT was responsible for the death of Pelicans. It wasn't. They claimed in the early 1970"s that an Ice Age was going to kill us all. Now it's warming that will kill us. Bull! "Scientist" have been wrong about a lot of things in the past and will be wrong about a lot of things in the future. Take what they say with a grain of salt.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:34 | 4966027 Matt
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Scientists did not claim the Earth was flat, since the term scientist did not exist until well after Isaac Newton.

Bleeding, particularly using leeches, may have benefits. The Paleo guys donate blood to simulate the bleeding their ancestors would normally have experienced, so who knows.

Freon did open holes in the Ozone, the holes are there and are expected to last until around 2050.

DDT affected Peregrine Falcons, since they were at the top of a food chain (or web or whatever its called now). Never heard any claims about Penguins?

The way the solar cycle is going, we may be entering a solar minimum like the Maunder or Dalton. On the other hand, greenhouse gases from manmade and natural sources may be causing warming. If we have low solar activity and the average temperature stays the same instead of dropping, then when the solar activity picks up again, there could be a sudden surge in temperature.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:11 | 4966100 californiagirl
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Volcano discovered smoldering under a kilometer of ice in West Antarctica Its heat may increase the rate of ice loss from one of the continent’s major ice streams.  http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/25611.aspx

Researchers Find Major West Antarctic Glacier Melting from Geothermal Sources   http://www.utexas.edu/news/2014/06/10/antarctic-glacier-melting

Antarctic sea ice hits new record high with 2.1million square miles more than is usual for time of year  America’s National Snow And Ice Data Center, which is funded by Nasa, revealed that ice around the southern continent covers about 16million sq km, more than 2.1 million more than is usual for the time of year.  It is by far the highest level since satellite observations on which the figures depend began in 1979.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=79369&src=twitter-iotd

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/10/121013-antarctica-sea-ice-record-high-science-global-warming/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/09/23/antarctic-sea-ice-hit-35-year-record-high-saturday/

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:40 | 4966327 Captain Obvious.
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Your link

Thwaites Glacier, the large, rapidly changing outlet of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, is not only being eroded by the ocean, it’s being melted from below by geothermal heat

The grounding line of the glaciers is progresing inland by the excess heat in the water. Ice finds itself floating, adding to the ocean ice and melting making the water fresher raising the freezing point, meaning more sea Ice.

My link.

I would have anticipated growing glaciers with an ice age.

 

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:24 | 4966455 Uncle Remus
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Turns out a lot of shit in life is counter-intuitive.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:54 | 4966171 Radical Marijuana
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Matt, that is currently my view too:

"The way the solar cycle is going, we may be entering a solar minimum like the Maunder or Dalton. On the other hand, greenhouse gases from manmade and natural sources may be causing warming. If we have low solar activity and the average temperature stays the same instead of dropping, then when the solar activity picks up again, there could be a sudden surge in temperature."

Here is record of my efforts over the past seven years to attempt to figure our the alleged issues regarding Humans blamed for climate change ... Of course, I started wondering about that issue back in the 1970s, and basically my views back then are the same as they are now. The main difference is that I am even more sure now, than then, that WE CAN NOT SAY FOR SURE!

One thing that clearly looks correct is that people living in the 20th Century FALSELY presumed that what things were like then were "normal" and would stay that way! That looks similar to people living where there ARE big earthquakes, and following tsunamis, repeating in cycles over the course of several Centuries, who nevertheless tend to behave like those are never going to happen!

The one thing that I am certain about is that the human world is controlled by lies backed by violence, which results in the vast majority of people living in ways which demonstrate the maximum possible stupidity, and lack of preparation, for the FACT that conditions change!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:18 | 4966206 Tall Tom
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What would I expect, other than INTELLIGENT ANALYSIS, from you?

 

Damned good post Radical Marijuana. Damned good.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 04:38 | 4966376 MEAN BUSINESS
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I can't say for sure that the house that I live in will burn down, the car I'm driving will crash, the plane I'm riding in will kill me. But they may. What do I do?

Buy insurance. But how much? What else do I do? I work to prevent fire in my home, stay out of high traffic as much as possible, and not fly.

Keeling began his study in Hawaii at the end of the babyboomer generation/dawn of Gen X. Now we are ten years into the Homeland  Generation. Two entire generations have elapsed and the evidence has only grown more damning. 

You say truth is a matter of degrees. Michell Jarraud says a generation ago we could plead ignorance but no longer. "We Know" he says we know enough now that we have to act. If you virtually knew for sure that your house might be about to burn down would you not act???

I know how you feel about the United Nations. I seriously recommend you talk to Michelle Jarraud. Your constituents would expect nothing less.

AR5 WG2 press release featuring Dr. Jarraud 

"from the heads of governments to the farmers..."

Thanks for everything RM!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:55 | 4966588 Kobe Beef
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The one thing I am certain about, is when the entire Public Relations Army of the UN, Major Foundations, Democratic Party, NGOs, Wall Street, and Globalist Think tanks are mobilized to spread an idea:

it's full of shit.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:29 | 4967612 DullKnife
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re. Greenhouse gases:

1. Person f*rts, it is man-made greenhouse gas.

2. Cow f*rts: it is natural greenhouse gas.

Both to be criminalized.

 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 02:43 | 5036816 IndyPat
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My farts are mine.

Come and take em.

I triple dog dare you.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:25 | 4967569 DullKnife
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Once Science becomes politicized, it becomes Junk Science.

Though former V.P. Gore would dispute that, having not profited from his Global Warming crusade.  /s

(his millions have come from sale of Girl Scout cookies)

 

And in other news, when the dinosuars died out, and there were fewer dinosaur posteriors to emit green house gases, the Ice Age started.

 

 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:19 | 4965713 mark mchugh
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Thanks for not sighting any source data and not spelling out the a** word.  Anyway, maybe you can fill me in on this one:

Why doesn't the National Snow and Ice Data Center bother to mention that Antarctic sea ice has been two standard deviations over the 1981-2010 average for all of 2014, breaking the records set just last year?

The NSIDC doesn't mention Antarctica at all in its current text.  You actually have to click the "Antarctic daily images" pop-up to see it.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Funny, but they don't seem to have an antarctic sea ice news page....Can you explain that to us dumbasses?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:29 | 4966005 Matt
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There is a huge difference between a thin layer of sea ice, versus ice sheets hundreds of feet thick calving into the ocean. 

It is entirely possible that Antartica becomes colder, as the jet stream and other systems of circulating air and water are disrupted.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:59 | 4966084 massbytes
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This won't be good enough for all you climate scientists here that just "feel" it can't be man.  But such is life.  Here is just one source for you.

http://mashable.com/2014/05/19/antarctic-ice-melt-accelerating

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:30 | 4966135 californiagirl
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They are talking about the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. What do you expect when there is an active volcano under the ice.

Volcano discovered smoldering under a kilometer of ice in West Antarctica   http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/25611.aspx

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 04:59 | 4966388 MEAN BUSINESS
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from your link:

"perhaps increasing the rate of ice-mass loss in West Antarctica."

no thanks, will stick with Ukraine girls

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:21 | 4965485 Wolf in the Wilds
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Firstly, you must distinguish between sea ice and glacial ice.  Antartica glacial ice is melting but the sea ice is expanding.  Glacial ice is ice locked up on land, and if they all melt, sea levels will rise significantly, and pretty much destroy all the coastal cities around the world.  Sea ice is ice that is formed from the waters already in the sea and have no impact on sea level.  However, they do have a major impact on the amount of heat that gets reflected back out, which in turn keeps the planet's temperature down.  

Arctic ice in summer is already collapsing. Based on satellite imagery, as of June 2014, summer arctic ice coverage is 6th lowest in satellite record.  And the long term trend has been notched at around 3.6% decline every year.  As arctic ice is reduced every summer, so will the termperature of planet RISE, as there is less ice cover to reflect the heat back out to space.  

Global warming is not about just a general rise in temperatures.  Global warming leads to dramatic weather pattern changes.  As temperatures change, say in the Arctic, it will impact sea currents which in turn impacts temperatures and weather every where.  It might lead to severe drought in California, and incredibly strong hurricanes in the Caribbean, or supertyphoons in Japan.  Because of the complex interactions between sea currents, temperature and rainfall, it is almost impossible to predict accurately what might actually happen, but when it happens it will be already too late.  

I live in HK.  And I can tell you this.  This is the hottest June/July I have EVER experienced in the 11years that I have been here.  And it is only going to get worse.  So when someone tells me that global warming is rubbish, I would really like to put him out in the sun here and see what he says after that.

 

(FYI, street temperature usually exceeds 37 deg at noon on a sunny day)

 

 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:35 | 4965515 One And Only
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Weather or not (pun intended) the globe is warming or cooling is really a moot discussion. The issue I have is with the Man Made global warming.

I ask a question to  every person (including scientists) I get into this argument with and no one will ever answer me.

If men are warming the Earth with carbon based fuels what caused the ice age to end? The Earth obviously went from a period of being mostly frozen and then warmed melting all the ice BEFORE men figured out fossil fuels. So what caused it? If the Earth is warming who's to say it's not a natural continuence of whatever ended the ice age?

If you want to know my opinion you can look at the sun and point your finger at that mother fucker as the reason the Earth gets warmer or colder.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:37 | 4965577 knukles
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Hear here!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:40 | 4966040 Manthong
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Ann Barnhardt tends to be a bit zealous on some issues and she skewered Mitt Romney before his 2012 flop on every thing under the sun (pun intended) including his stance on global warming. She referred to the sun as “the two octillion ton fusion gas ball up in the sky” that is responsible for the weather. 

Her whole piece is great but the global warming dig starts at 04:57t

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fjJ27P4mXWM

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:42 | 4965594 massbytes
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How about a question you can't answer?  Why can't man influence the climate by distorting what the climate would have been if man were not present?  Why?  If you understand what Co2 does, why does the Co2 man emits not influence the climate?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:51 | 4965613 One And Only
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Because of what I know of H20 and it's influence on the climate. Water is the #1 contributing gas to the "green house gas" theory and is more influential by orders of magnitude . Anyone who has been in a humid climate can tell you it feels a lot fucking hotter when the humidity level is high.

So let's use this theory:

The sun got hotter. Who the fuck knows why, we hardly know anything about it. So the sun gets hotter and melted the ice. How's that for Occam's razor?

I can tell you with certainty that it gets warmer during the day and colder during the night regardless of how many cars are on the highway. I'm going with the sun being the cause of climate change.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:57 | 4965642 massbytes
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With your in-depth study of the subject and your valuable insights, I guess I will capitulate.  I guess man is totally irrelevant to the problem and the by-products of that cubic mile of oil we burn each year, among other emissions, just vanishes.  Who would have known?  /sarc

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:02 | 4965655 One And Only
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I know that if I fart in my bedroom it has no meaningful or lasting impact on the temperature in my room. I have conducted scientific studies in a series of very controled enviroments.

The sun beating into my room mid-day with the blinds drawn and no ac...holy shit, my ass gets cooked like a ham.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:15 | 4965701 Flakmeister
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The answer to your question lies here

http://www.skepticalscience.com/skakun-co2-temp-lag.html

In a nutshell, the Milankovitch cycle., from the above:

  • As we already knew, the Earth's orbital cycles trigger the initial warming (starting approximately 19,000 years ago), which is first reflected at the highest latitudes (i.e. Greenland and the Arctic - see "Onset of seesaw" in Figure 4). 
  • This Arctic warming melted large quantities of ice, causing fresh water to flood into the oceans.
  • This influx of fresh water then disrupted the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation(AMOC), in turn causing a seesawing of heat between the hemispheres.  The Southern Hemisphere and its oceans warmed first, starting about 18,000 years ago.
  • The warming Southern Ocean then released CO2 into the atmosphere starting around 17,500 years ago, which in turn caused the entire planet to warm via the increased greenhouse effect.
Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:29 | 4965745 One And Only
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Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun’s activity is the common thread linking all these baking events.

“Man-made greenhouse warming has [made a] small contribution [to] the warming on Earth in recent years, but [it] cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance,” Abdussamatov told LiveScience in an email interview last week. “The considerable heating and cooling on the Earth and on Mars always will be practically parallel."

http://www.livescience.com/1349-sun-blamed-warming-earth-worlds.html

Planets orbiting eachother and the sun.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:39 | 4966038 Matt
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Or increased energy from space as our solar system crosss the Galactic Plane.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:24 | 4966946 Flakmeister
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And what evidence is there for that?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:22 | 4971125 Matt
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Cosmic Rays hit 50 year high:

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/29sep_cosmicrays/

Although it seems we are moving away from the plane, having corssed it 3 million years ago and will not cross it again for 30 million years.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:12 | 4972927 Flakmeister
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Why don't you go back farther than 13 years. here try 50 or so years...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/cosmic-rays-and-global-warming-advanced.htm

Notice that they use your results to show it ain't CRs....

So make up your mind, do CRs warm or cool things?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:46 | 4976968 Matt
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Depends on if the cloud cover is increased more during the day or night. I suspect night, since that is the side facing away from the Sun, but I don't know.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:19 | 4966843 Flakmeister
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Give it a break....

Point me to some data that shows the sun is increasing in output...

Because it sure as fuck ain't this data...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=5

or this either....

http://lasp.colorado.edu/home/sorce/data/tsi-data/#plots

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:39 | 4966152 Tall Tom
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Pushing your Carbon Tax Agenda again WOMAN???

 

Government is the source of all problems.

 

You cannot be honest about your GENDer or your AGENDA. Isn't it interesting that the same Latin Root appears in both words?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:07 | 4966867 Flakmeister
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I see that you got that Norman Bates thingie working for yourself again...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:34 | 4966141 Tall Tom
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If you want to know my opinion you can look at the sun and point your finger at that mother fucker as the reason the Earth gets warmer or colder.

 

BEFORE DOWNARROWING READ IT ENTIRELY...ESPECIALLY THE BOTTOM PARAGRAPH.

 

It is a little more complicated than that. Perhaps the REASON that Scientists will not even bother to answer your questions is because you present yourself to them as a simple person.  However, as a scientist, schooled in Astrophysics,  I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt this time and attempt to answer you.

 

The Sun, while it is the main source of heating, (The Earth also generates internal heating through the decay of Radioactive Isotopes in the core.) is one of many factors.

 

How much Orbital Mechanics do you understand? Have you ever heard of the term "Precession of the Nodes"?

 

The Earth's Orbit is an Ellipse. The AVERAGE Distance form the Earth to the Sun is 93 Million Miles away. But did you know that on roughly January 6 of any given Modern Year, that the Earth is roughly 92 Million Miles away from the Sun? And that Six Months later, sometime in July, the Sun is roughly 94 Million Miles away? (Well if we are closer to the Sun during Winter than why is it so damned cold? It is due to the Tilt of the Earth's Axis. The Flux is not as direct and spread out over a greater Area.)

 

Of course that is CURRENTLY. But this is also dynamic (It constantly changes) as it is set to another cycle. The Earth spins on an axis that is tilted roughly 23.5 Degrees. However that axis has a small but measurable "wobble" To complete one wobble takes roughly 26,000 years.

 

So in roughly 6,500 years the date of the perihelion of the Earth will occur shortly after the Vernal Equinox, the onset of Northern Hemisphere Spring. (We possibly will have warmer Springs than currently as the Earth-Sun Distance is at a minimum. Or we can be in an Ice Age.)

 

In roughly 13,000 years the date of the perihelion will occur shortly after the Summer Solstice. (There will be a very hot climate at that time.)

 

Likewise in 19,500 Years the Earth Sun Minimimum Distance (perihelion) will occur a little after the Autumnal Equinox. That will serve to delay the onset of the Northern Hemisphere's Winter's cold. Or we should be coming out of an Ice Age at that point. (???)

 

And in 26,000 Years we will be back to where we are currently.

 

Then one must consider Land Distribution as it is also a dynamic with the movement of the Tectonic Plates. Currently most land mass is in the Northern Hemisphere. As there is a difference between the rate at which Radiation is transmitted between Land and Water the Land radiates more heat than Water.

 

Now the land distribution since the onset and remission of the last Ice Age is not that appreciable it still makes a difference in the amount of heat retained.

 

Then one must consider Albedo, the amount of radiative reflectivity. Snow and Ice have a high albedo and reflect much radiative heat away from the Earth. (That is why it is so easy to get sunburned while skiing in sub freezing temperatures.)

 

Perhaps now you have an understanding of the complexity of the Heating and Cooling of the Earth without any "interference" by man.

 

Is the climate changing? Yes. The data demonstrates that. HOWEVER it is expected to change as the Earth is a DYNAMIC SYSTEM.  Predicting the climate is less of a science than predicting the weather. Climatology is in its infancy as a Science.

 

Is the heating due to Anthropomorphic (Man made) reasons? Now that is debatable...

 

As a scientist I will continue to collect data. But I have not any position as to the cause because of the complexity of the dynamic systems.

 

WHAT I CANNOT STAND IS THAT SOME CLAIM IT AS GOSPEL TRUTH. THEY USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO RAISE TAX DOLLARS IN ORDER TO "SOLVE IT".

 

Governments provide NO SOLUTIONS as they are the source of ALL PROBLEMS.

 

Now where is that fucking cunt, FlakFRAU???

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:54 | 4966344 Captain Obvious.
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We started using fossil fuels in the 18th century after Britain ran out of trees to burn at the begining of the industrial revolution-not during the ice age. Fossil fuels have nothing to do with the Ice Ages.

Global temperatures have been rising since then.

Climatologists are aware that the sun heats the earth and its variability is taken into consideration.

Your world is going to change dramatically. You can stick your head in the sand or you can react. The choice is yours. I'm not your daddy.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:53 | 4966807 NeedtoSecede
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These guys are killing me One and Only.  They sound like a bunch of fucking government economists:

"This may happen, or the opposite may happen so therefore you need to listen to my wise guidance and trust your overlords.  We really don't know what will happen, but you little people must obey."

I am all for honest science and I open to see where the evidence takes us.  But these fuckers are all trying to tell us how to live and the best they can do is "This could happen, but there is an equal chance that the opposite may happen."

For fuck sake, the sun could go supernova this afternoon at 12:23 pm, but then again, there is a chance it could just shine as normal.

Leave may alone until you get your shit together...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:09 | 4966879 Flakmeister
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The sun ain't doing shit....

And nobody is telling you what to do...

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:56 | 4965865 dogbreath
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wow,  11 whole years

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:29 | 4966004 Tall Tom
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I live in HK.  And I can tell you this.  This is the hottest June/July I have EVER experienced in the 11years that I have been here.

 

I wonder if the 11 Years Solar Cycle, and the fact that this is the Solar Minimum* Year, has anything to do with that?

 

(*FYI...Solar Minimum means Maximum Solar Flux as the Sunspots are at the Minimum. Sunspots appear dark because they radiate much less heat. The amount of Sunspots on the Photosphere of the Sun directly correlates to declining Total Solar Temperatures.)

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:19 | 4965497 Flakmeister
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Lay off the bullshit hedgetard....

This is what is happening to the actual ice on land

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6111/1183/F5.large.jpg

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:57 | 4965871 dogbreath
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Hey bitch,  where ya been

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:44 | 4966157 Tall Tom
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She was hoping that we forgot that he is a she.

 

Doesn't matter. The First "Lady" is kind of like her except that the Gender Roles are reversed.

 

FlakFRAU is as much of a Tranny as Michael Obama.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:26 | 4965302 Zeptemberalevin
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"It's getting hot in here, so take off all yo clothes"

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:26 | 4965304 greatbeard
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Been raining like a mother fucker here.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:30 | 4965315 Grande Tetons
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Just do not collect the rainwater or you just might be a terrorist. 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:08 | 4965453 disabledvet
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That's what you get for being all conservationist and environmentally ethical. "Welcome to the New Normal"...the better and more responsible a people you are the more you get phucked.

California should invade Oregon.

I recommend "the back way." The mountains up the I-5 corridor are a real bear (so to speak.). The "Eastern Approaches" on the other hand...

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:26 | 4965306 BlackMagician
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California has an ocean next to it...desalination I guess can't really be profitable? Still wondering what billions for military expenditures will buy a bankrupt country?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:39 | 4965350 Meat Hammer
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Desalination can't be politically profitable.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:54 | 4965388 NOTaREALmerican
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Why not?   It's an infrastructure project.   That's one of the primal political loot transfer scams.   When we need fresh water from the ocean you can bet the top 10% will be getting taxpayer loot to make it happen (after the usual skim).

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:07 | 4965449 john39
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Because that would benefit society.  The goal here is to wreck the country, not fix it.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:14 | 4965474 disabledvet
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"And voila! Your need for more Government is proven!"

And no I am not being sarcastic. "Governments phuck everything and everyone so you're forced to have more government." I'm still unclear where Citizen Incorproated fits in here...although judging by the whole "buy the foreign domicile" thingy or "turn yourself into a REIT" thy sure don't seem to be on board the whole "fair share" doctrine.

I mean...you really can't make this shit up. "We're starting World War Three just in time to see our taxbase deported."

Stick that in your money printer!

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:14 | 4965475 NOTaREALmerican
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It's only wrecked for the Trash Class, but they've never mattered to the smart-n-savvy people.     The top 10% are doing better than ANY time in the history of the country.    The top 10% own and operate the government and corporations; it's the management class.     The top 10-20% are doing ok.    Who cares about the Trash Class?   Survival-of-the-fittest,  BITCHEZZZ!!! 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:24 | 4965739 DoChenRollingBearing
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Excellent comment john39.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:10 | 4965931 Kirk2NCC1701
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Have no fear, Isreal is here.  FYI... San Diego is leveraging an Israeli company to build it a desalination plant.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-13/israel-desalination-shows-calif...

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:16 | 4965480 tvdog
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Orange County has built a desalinization plant to meet its water needs. But OC is a very wealthy area for the most part. LA could never come up with that kind of money.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:40 | 4965588 knukles
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Oh fuck me why not?
LA itself is not independent as to water.
Try guessing how many overlapping federal state county and city water agencies there are.
And all the regional Hollywierd, etc., money?
Fuck all, they can afford it, or die, Bitchez.

The Progressives Have Fucking Money For Everything so NO Excuses About DeSal.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:30 | 4966459 Uncle Remus
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Passionate. This is good. Very good.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:51 | 4966168 Magooo
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Ya - burn natural gas to desalinate the ocean - great solution.   Did you work out the cost per gallon?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:29 | 4965307 yellowsub
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Just came back from LA, could of fooled me there was a drought with all the nice homes with lush green grass. Not to mention there was plenty of water run off into the street down the whole block.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:45 | 4965814 disabledvet
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There was a water crisis...about a month ago. From all reports I've heard everything is...okay.

America and the world's primary store of food is the upper mid West...not California "where all your prune juice comes from." Haven't seen any problems with the price of wine either.

Price if whine has gone way up though.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:27 | 4965308 starman
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Wondering how much your house, property or business worth without water?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:17 | 4965489 tvdog
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When you buy land in the west, you always ask if there's water under it. Otherwise, you'll be paying to have it trucked in.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:28 | 4965310 americanspirit
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let's all remember the story of the boy who cried wolf.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:28 | 4965312 Joebloinvestor
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Problem is not more important then Jerry getting his name over that transgender bathroom in the high speed train station.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:29 | 4965313 RaceToTheBottom
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What, no Mono Lake stuff?    Is that already a dry gully?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:51 | 4965625 hobopants
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Mono isn't fresh water, very salty.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:30 | 4965316 Dublinmick
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The roads are melting in Yellowstone, Las Vegas is running dry and the ocean is eating beach front from Miami, Indoenesia to Norfolk because the ice pack is getting bigger oh yes.

One million relocated in China as a result of flooding and global cooling.

 

The debate is over in Miami.

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2014/07/miami-great-world-city-is-drowni...

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:54 | 4965391 Cangaroo.TNT
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Fucking people can't get their stories straight.  From the Smithsonian article about the Colorado River:

"Higher overall air temperatures will mean more water lost to evaporation."

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:04 | 4965427 NOTaREALmerican
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And you know what?  How much would it cost to cover the entire goddamn Colorado river with ping-pong balls?  Almost NOTHING.     But, no,  they spend trillions on some cock-a-mammy liberal idea to stop planets from getting carbon dioxide which means the plants will die but the goddamn liberals will be happy when this entire water-shortage problem could have been fixed with a few million ping-pong-ball at a few cents apiece!     You figure it out.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:18 | 4965495 Grouchy Marx
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Don't the ping pong balls flow downriver with the water, or do you attach little anchors to them?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:51 | 4966070 Matt
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Yes.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:12 | 4969029 RaceToTheBottom
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You could program drones to return them back upstream....

Take out a few vacationing terrorists on the way:

WIN, WIN

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:23 | 4965982 Peak Finance
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LOLZ "the debate is over in Miami"

Fucking morons are trying to pass off "Spring tides" which everyone around here has known about forever as proff of global warming:

The current levels of high tides are caused by an astronomical event known as “spring tide,” according to Chuck Caracozza, a meteorologist from the National Weather Service.

Spring tide, which is not associated with any season, lasts for several days and occurs more than once a year when the moon and sun align with the Earth.

“It makes high tides higher, and low tides lower,” Caracozza said.

The highest astronomical tide occurs during September, October and November, and in South Florida is at its highest during October.

“If there were a storm system in the area it could be worse,” he added. “It’s tranquil waters now, so it’s only minor.”

 


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/17/3695685/rain-or-no-rain-beachfront...

Yes, I live down there, No the fucking ocean is not rising to claim Miami (If only!) 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:10 | 4966891 Flakmeister
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Pretty deep case of denial you got there....

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:30 | 4965317 greatbeard
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>> female reporter bravely reporting

What, did her hair get messed up? 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:14 | 4965476 nmewn
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The funniest thing I have ever seen was a live report of this reporter chick sitting in a canoe breathlessly reporting the devastation going on around her...

...while some guy completely oblivious to "her storyline" walked behind her in calf deep water.

I love live reports, it gives you perspective ;-)

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:24 | 4965519 Serenity Now
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OMG, that was hilarious.  She was reporting on all the flooding, and the street was barely wet.  I don't even think it was calf deep.  Funny shit.

Not quite as disingenuous as the time CNN faked being in the Middle East, but close enough for me.

The media is NOT to be trusted.

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