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Meet CISA – Dianne Feinstein’s Latest Attack On Privacy, Civil Liberties And The Internet

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

here’s not much good you can count on Congress to accomplish, but when it comes to introducing and passing oligarch protecting, civil liberties destroying legislation, our “representatives” are absolutely relentless in their determination. Unsurprisingly, the only “distinctly native American criminal class,” as Mark Twain described Congress, is at it again when it comes to institutionalizing spying and attempting a legal run around the Bill of Rights.

One thing that has become crystal clear since the Edward Snowden revelations, is that much of Congress has no problem at all with unconstitutional spying. Rather, they are primarily upset it was exposed and are dead set on making sure no other whistleblower can ever do the same. Enter CISA, or The Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act.

I’ve spent much of today reading about the bill, and have compiled what I think are the most astute observations. First, from the ACLU:

A new cybersecurity bill poses serious threats to our privacy, gives the government extraordinary powers to silence potential whistleblowers, and exempts these dangerous new powers from transparency laws.

 

“The bill would create a massive loophole in our existing privacy laws by allowing the government to ask companies for ‘voluntary’ cooperation in sharing information, including the content of our communications, for cybersecurity purposes. But the definition they are using for the so-called ‘cybersecurity information’ is so broad it could sweep up huge amounts of innocent Americans’ personal data.

 

“The Fourth Amendment protects Americans’ personal data and communications from undue government access and monitoring without suspicion of criminal activity. The point of a warrant is to guard that protection. CISA would circumvent the warrant requirement by allowing the government to approach companies directly to collect personal information, including telephonic or internet communications, based on the new broadly drawn definition of ‘cybersecurity information.’”

 

In addition to the threats to every American’s privacy, the bill clearly targets potential government whistleblowers. Instead of limiting the use of data collection to protect against actual cybersecurity threats, the bill allows the government to use the data in the investigation and prosecution of people for economic espionage and trade secret violations, and under various provisions of the Espionage Act.

The always excellent Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has also chimed in:

CISPA purports to allow companies and the federal government to “share” threat information for a “cybersecurity” purpose—to protect and defend against attacks against computer systems and networks. But the bill is written broadly enough to permit your communications service providers to identify, obtain, and share your emails and text messages with the government. While business leaders have conceded that they do not need to share personally identifying information to combat computer threats, the bill provides an exception to existing law designed to protect your personal information.

 

The newly granted powers are intended to thwart computer security threats against a company’s rights and property. But the definitions are broad and vague. The terms allow purposes such as guarding against “improper” information modification and ensuring “timely” access to information, functions that are not necessarily tied to attacks.

 

Once handed over, the government is able to use this information for investigating crimes that are unrelated to the underlying security threat and, more broadly, for “national security” purposes, which is a poorly defined term that includes “threats to the United States, its people, property, or interests” and “any other matter bearing on United States national or homeland security.”

 

Companies would also be immune from both civil and criminal liability for any action, including but not limited to violating a user’s privacy, as long as the company used the powers granted by CISPA in “good faith.” The immunity even extends to “decisions made based on” any information “directly pertaining” to a security threat. The consequences of such a clause are far-reaching.

Meanwhile, Trevor Timm, executive of the Freedom of the Press Foundation, noted in the Guardian that:

One of the most underrated benefits of Edward Snowden’s leaks was how they forced the US Congress to shelve the dangerous, privacy-destroying legislation– then known as Cispa – that so many politicians had been so eager to pass under the guise of “cybersecurity”. Now a version of the bill is back, and apparently its authors want to keep you in the dark about it for as long as possible.

 

Now it’s called the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act (Cisa), and it is a nightmare for civil liberties. Indeed, it’s unclear how this kind of law would even improve cybersecurity. The bill was marked up and modified by the Senate intelligence committee in complete secrecy this week, and only afterward was the public allowed to see many of the provisions passed under its name.

 

Cisa is what Senator Dianne Feinstein, the bill’s chief backer and the chair of the committee, calls an “information-sharing” law that’s supposed to help the government and tech and telecom companies better hand information back and forth to the government about “cyberthreat” data, such as malware. But in reality, it is written so broadly it would allow companies to hand over huge swaths of your data – including emails and other communications records – to the government with no legal process whatsoever. It would hand intelligence agencies another legal authority to potentially secretly re-interpret and exploit in private to carry out even more surveillance on the American public and citizens around the world.

 

Under the new provisions, your data can get handed over by the tech companies and others to the Department of Homeland Security (not exactly a civil liberties haven itself), but then it can be passed along to the nation’s intelligence agencies … including the NSA. And even if you find out a company violated your privacy by handing over personal information it shouldn’t have, it would have immunity from lawsuits – as long as it acted in “good faith”. It could amount to what many are calling a “backdoor wiretap”, where your personal information could end up being used for all sorts of purposes that have nothing to do with cybersecurity.But it’s not just privacy advocates who should be worried: transparency also takes a huge hit under this bill. Cisa would create a brand-new exception to the Freedom of Information Act (which is already riddled with holes), all the better to ensure everything in this particular process remains secret.

 

In typical intel-committee fashion, the Foia amendment wasn’t even made public until after it was passed by committee.

 

The fact of the matter is the Snowden leaks have done more for cybersecurity than any info-sharing bill ever could. The major tech companies have leapt forward and are now competing on who is more secure because of worries that the NSA, and other intelligence agencies for that matter, are snooping wherever they can. Certainly there is more to do, but eviscerating privacy rights in the process is not the solution.

Unsurprisingly, the financial services industry seems to be particularly excited about this piece of legislation. This shouldn’t come as any surprise in light of my recent post: Wall Street Teams Up with U.S. Intelligence Cronies in Bid to Form Fascist “Cyber War Council.” 

As The Hill points out:

The new Senate bill has won support from financial trade groups, among others, who say the legislation is critical to making sure hackers can’t wreak havoc on bank records.

Kenneth Bentsen, chief executive at the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association, said in a statement that leaders of the Senate Intelligence panel who wrote the bill have “taken a balanced and considered approach which will help the financial services industry to better protect our customers from cyber terrorists and criminals, as well as their privacy.” 

Ah, the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association (SIFMA). This is the same Wall Street lobby that former NSA chief Keith Alexander recently signed on as a client for $600,000 per month for “cyber-security” advice.

Ah, the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association (SIFMA). This is the same Wall Street lobby that former NSA chief Keith Alexander recently signed on as a client for $600,000 per month for “cyber-security” advice.

It seems fairly obvious what CISA is intended to do. The NSA and other intelligence agencies are well aware that all Americans essentially sign away their privacy rights to large technology companies via terms of service agreements (a topic I highlighted recently). Now that government access to tech companies’ data has been exposed by Edward Snowden, they are looking for another way to obtain “legal” access. This seems to be what CISA is all about.

If you recall, the most meaningful victory achieved by Aaron Swartz prior to his untimely and tragic death at the hands of a vindictive and hateful U.S. government, was leading the charge to stop Internet censorship bills SOPA/PIPA. It would be wise for all of us to take heed of his words:

We won this fight because everyone made themselves the hero of their own story. Everyone took it as their job to save this crucial freedom. They threw themselves into it. They did whatever they could think of to do. They didn’t stop to ask anyone for permission. You remember how Hacker News readers spontaneously organized this boycott of GoDaddy over their support of SOPA? Nobody told them they could do that. A few people even thought it was a bad idea. It didn’t matter. The senators were right: The Internet really is out of control. But if we forget that, if we let Hollywood rewrite the story so it was just big company Google who stopped the bill, if we let them persuade us we didn’t actually make a difference, if we start seeing it as someone else’s responsibility to do this work and it’s our job just to go home and pop some popcorn and curl up on the couch to watch Transformers, well, then next time they might just win. Let’s not let that happen.

 

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Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:04 | 4964314 Squid Viscous
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how does this evil twat keep getting elected? and Boxer too, she may be even worse if that's possible

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:06 | 4964342 TeamDepends
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Answer:  California, it's long past time to redeem yourself, so send her, Pelosi and the rest of the libclowns to Mexico FREE OF CHARGE.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:42 | 4964517 New World Chaos
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Her seat is so safe that she will get away with voting for a vicious oligarchical police state.  What are the hippies going to do, vote Republican?  Or maybe kick her out via the primary?  But loss of such a long standing, entrenched, high ranking senator would definitely cost them some free shit.  So bring on the Stazi.  

The converse happens in red states.  See Ted Stevens and John McCain, for example.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:58 | 4965875 Seize Mars
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Dude, there are no "elections." Wake the fuck up. It happens to serve as nice cover that she is in a very "liberal" place. But it doesn't matter. As long as she can get on the ballot, the fix is in.

Look at Joe Lieberman. He was kicked out in a primary. In theory that means (in Connecticut) if you lose the Democrap primary, you lost the race. Well what did he do? Whoops! He showed up as an, um, "Independent," and lo and behold...he "won."

Wow! It's a miracle.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:17 | 4964883 tvdog
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Feinstein's true home is Israel, not the U.S. or Mexico. Send her there.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:07 | 4964349 Harbanger
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By lying cheating and stealing like a good Democrat, means she's smart and savvy.  But she's not any more progressive than Obama, Hitlery or Warren.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:29 | 4964458 WeNeedaRealGovt
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Last year a similar cybersecurity bill, the Cyber Information Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) passed the House. Republicans in the House, who don't do anything, passed a bill far more intrusive than CISA.  RonWyden (D-Or.) and Mark Udall (D-Co.) voted against the bill and released a joint statement criticizing the bill’s lack of privacy protections.

I guess the only thing the House GOP and TEA Party can be counted on for is hypocrisy.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:48 | 4964548 Squid Viscous
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red team, blue team! they're not your team, wake the fuck up! 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:17 | 4964639 WeNeedaRealGovt
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One thing for sure, Red team will sacrifice you and your children for a buck.  Gave the biggest cos massive tax breaks, bankrupted the people.

Blue team will spend too much on the poor and charge the middle class.   Except there is no middle class left.

I say we start a new team, stop buying from China, repatriot the profits from multi-nationals, rebuild mfg and get the fuck out of other peoples business.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:09 | 4964851 nmewn
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"Gave the biggest cos massive tax breaks, bankrupted the people."

We talkin ObamaCare or grants & loans to "green energy" cronies?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 20:13 | 4965072 WeNeedaRealGovt
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At least 20 million Americans benefitted on ACA. Did you get a War rebate? Did the CEO of BP call you and say thanks?You're a true GOP TEA Shitter, tow that party line while living on D'Nile. I bet you donate big$$ and really got money worth.
Its those like you who have been brainwashed for so long you believe the shit you see on Fox. Then you come here and think your among friends. ZH is turning out to be another Drudge, Newsmax etc. Just feed the mushrooms more shit and keep 'em in the dark. If GOP ever gets the Whitehouse again, this site will be shuttered. Wake up GOP Sheeples! You're getting fooled again.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 20:48 | 4965180 nmewn
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"At least 20 million Americans benefitted on ACA."

I'm afraid I'm gonna need a source for that wild assertion DiFi, you got a legitimate source? There was also something about costs decreasing "on average" $2,500 a year and being "allowed"...(lol...good grief, ALLOWED) to keep your doctor and what happened to the other 20 million Haaahhhvahd & Kaiser said needed it?

And...most of all...since when does the state come in and say someone must enter into commerce (the market) or face a fine/penalty?

Thats Authoritarianism 101 (Fascism) you fucking twit.

I eagerly await your non-response.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:13 | 4965253 Greenskeeper_Carl
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chris mathews told him. trust me, he's legit....

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:40 | 4965356 nmewn
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I can see him now, running back & forth between Kos & HuffPo searching for a scrip for a tingling leg...lol.

But I have noticed the "progressives" have dropped the teabagger trope. Apparently something finally overtook the cognitive dissonance of the left in their brain.

Like PC ;-)

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:47 | 4965820 TheReplacement
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They don't spend that much on the poor.  Most of that money is siphoned up by cronies before it hits the streets.  The truly damaging bit of that action is making so many dependent instead of independent.  That is a huge drag on the economy and the basis of bi-lateral slavery.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:45 | 4965812 TheReplacement
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Like the shit dad says, 'You're favorite team doesn't give a fuck about you.'

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:30 | 4964460 Urban Redneck
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If only Dan White had stuffed his face with moar Twinkies...

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:43 | 4964522 TeethVillage88s
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S. 2588: Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act of 2014

Introduced: Jul 10, 2014, Status: Reported by Committee on Jul 10, 2014, 28% chance of being enacted

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s2588
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s2588/text

Previous Bill: S. 2102 (112th)
Sec. 6. Protection from liability.
Sec. 7. Oversight of Government activities.

Usually the Unspoken thing is most important.

A) 1 Million people have access to Secret data in the USA, no doubt there will be some foreigners included & some hackers.
B) Blackmail is always a risk, just like when we see Supreme Court Justices voting the wrong way.
C) Corporations don't seem to get the same regulation in our Cyber Security, right? Corporations act as Proxies for DOD & CIA & NSA. They have little to zero risk of being called to testify by FBI, IGs, GAO, or Congressional Investigators. They get big contracts to keep their mouths shut and to help agencies skirt the "Law". And often they become the "Law" as in PMCs or as in Private Swat Teams.

PMA or PMC = Private Military Army or Private Military Corporation

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:48 | 4964764 HedgeHammer
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Am I loosing it or is it not illeagal for the senate to draft any Bill or Law as all Bill's and Law's are to originate in the House of Represenatives or am I mistaken somehow?

Yes I believe I am loosing it with all that is going on today!

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:50 | 4964997 Nick Jihad
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According to the consitution, spending bills must originate in the House. Of course, taking the ACA as precedent, the House could pass a bill declaring National Churro Day, and the Senate could amend that bill to enact Obamacare.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 20:27 | 4965121 HedgeHammer
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That's right thank you for jogging my memory. I should have refreshed my memory before posting but I am just to GD tired and sick of all the BS on a daily basis. Something has to give way. Sad part is either way guilty and innocent alike will soon pay a hefty price.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:05 | 4964600 Freddie
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Looks like Obama's US military is on the move in America against Americans.

http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/07/16/good-questions-3/

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:18 | 4964648 WeNeedaRealGovt
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Freddie, you don't live near a military base do you?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:42 | 4964740 Monty Burns
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Are there no Gentile men in California?  Why do they have to be represented in the Senate by two Jewish women?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 20:20 | 4965103 seek
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You know, I used to think it was the hyper-left leaning folks in CA that kept electing her.

Except I've talked to a few of them, and not a single one supports her. No one. Most think she's as evil as the conservative right thinks she is.

At this point I think she's actually getting close to no votes, and NSA/Diebold fix that for her in exchange for votes. Or they have a file on her so thick she doesn't dare not support them.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:33 | 4968732 waterhorse
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Correct.  NO ONE supports this crone Lieberdem named DiFi.  No one likes her husband's looting and pillaging of prime post office properties either; yet the shit goes on.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:42 | 4965360 drendebe10
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"There is nothing uglier than an old white woman." Fred Sanford, Sanford & son.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:04 | 4964333 f16hoser
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I hope feinstein dies of Radiation poisoning. CMON Fukishima!!!

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:52 | 4964561 Squid Viscous
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Don't hold your breath, if it gets really bad she will slither down into her bunker stocked with Evian and Gravlax...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:34 | 4968748 waterhorse
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Too slow.  Hope she betrays her masters.  Then it will be suicide by nail gun.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:07 | 4964343 pathetic looser
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i dont know if its possible but if internet will get resticted/censored/completly controntronlled then there is no hope for peace or wellbeing of human civilisation , just the fast track to distopia

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:33 | 4964474 sleigher
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Someone posted this yesterday, I hadn't heard about it but it is an awesome idea if they can do it.

http://shackspace.de/wiki/doku.php?id=project:hgg

Hackerspace global grid.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:55 | 4965862 TheReplacement
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OR!!! We could stop using the internet.  You know, like it was for thousands of years before 1995?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:51 | 4966068 pathetic looser
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then there would be no way to spread information on a current scale. we wouldnt even be able to have this conversation .

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:08 | 4964347 Colonel Klink
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Dianne Fiendslime, tribe member, that is all....

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:16 | 4964390 john39
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what is it with all these Irish people and the fascist NWO conspiracy... 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:09 | 4964356 Squid Viscous
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and how come these old lizards never die, Icahn, Greedspan, Schumer, Levin etc.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:11 | 4964368 Colonel Klink
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Because they continue to live by taking the lives and souls of others.  Then bathing and drinking babies blood.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:22 | 4964415 Squid Viscous
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you know that sounds crazy, but then I saw Shelly Adelson and Sumner Redstone on the tube the other night, and I was like, wtf - this is nuts...even Godzilla died at some point right?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:09 | 4964613 Skip
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Sumner Redstone, who was known to his parents as Murray Rothstein.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:37 | 4968761 waterhorse
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I thought of a great slogan for Schumer's political opponent:  Time to "Chuck" Schumer or maybe Time to Upchuck Schumer.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:10 | 4964364 TeethVillage88s
Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:14 | 4964372 Colonel Klink
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Darth Sithinger

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:59 | 4964817 Monty Burns
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The most evil reptile who ever crawled the earth. Will he ever die and reunite with Lucifer?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:22 | 4964423 Jayda1850
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We are past the tipping point now, I believe. The vast majority of Americans see articles like this and their eyes just glaze over as they put out another facebook or twitter post. The American people have been so fattened up and coddled that they will be trotted willingly into poverty and, eventually, death while still wearing a smile on their face. We're like the boiling frog who gluttonously lavishes in the hot water unknowingly quickening our own demise. The time to have put an end to things like this was a long time ago. Hate to be pessimistic, but I think Americans, as a whole, don't have it in them anymore, we've let it get too far. Hope I'm wrong.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:41 | 4964480 Squid Viscous
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Huxley nailed it... nobody gives a fuck, and as Orwell predicted even the ones who dare to watch the "news" on teevee or use the interweb for their "news" are spoon-fed a barrage of lies and mis-direction...

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:00 | 4964830 Monty Burns
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I hope you're wrong too but I think you're right......

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:26 | 4964446 potato
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Fund viruses that mingle terrist keywrds into all communications. Security through obscurity. Data is noise. No signals = no intelligence.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:29 | 4964457 TeethVillage88s
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Yes, what is all this stuff about National Security & Intelligence Legislation?

Treasury Intelligence Agency, on Text of the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations Act, 2015 Bill HR5016.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr5016/text

Section 120.

Funds appropriated by this Act, or made available by the transfer of funds in this Act, for the Department of the Treasury's intelligence or intelligence related activities are deemed to be specifically authorized by the Congress for purposes of section 504 of the National Security Act of 1947 (50 U.S.C. 414) during fiscal year 2015 until the enactment of the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2015.

Text of the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2014 Sec. 301. Increase in employee compensation and benefits authorized by law.

S. 1681 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s1681/text

AN ACT

To authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2014 for intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the United States Government and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency Retirement and Disability System, and for other purposes.

Related Bills

[H.R. 3381: Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2014]

[H.R. 4681: Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Years 2014 and 2015]

[S. 1035: Targeted Strike Oversight Reform Act of 2013]

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:31 | 4964464 Ralph Spoilsport
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A turning point for the US will be when Feinstein is frog-walked to a federal detention center for treason. Until then, we are so fucked.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:37 | 4964492 WeNeedaRealGovt
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Wouldn't it be better to send Cheney to the Hague, let those Nazi's feed this old fuck to the dogs? This would send a message to all US pols that when you cost the US Treasury Trillions to benefit cronies like HAL and SLB, we turn you over. While we're at it Rice and Rummy the fucking chicken hawk too. These bastards should fry in international court.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:47 | 4964547 Ralph Spoilsport
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There's a long list of psychopaths who have caused a lot of damage to the US and Cheney is at the top of the list of course. The US could get some credibility back if we prosecute these uniquely American criminals in our own courts.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:59 | 4964579 Squid Viscous
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yes! but the demon-crats are no better, except maybe Kucinich and a few others... wake up man! 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:24 | 4964676 WeNeedaRealGovt
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The "demon-crats" didn't blow trillions blowing up the Middle East. Last they were in power they left a surplus.
You'd be surprised that most "demon-crats" are fiscal conservative and pro 2nd amendment. You're right wing assholes like Rush and Hannity want you to believe that the typical D is pro abortion and wants to give all the $$ to the poor.
Remember before '64 the South was D.

But you keep getting enlightened by Rush, rumor has it he's as Gay as they cum.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:29 | 4964911 Squid Viscous
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I hate those neo-con fucks like Cheney as much as you, trust me...and I fucking hate Rush Limbaugh too...but you lost me at most Democrats are pro gun rights and fiscal conservatives? ...huh? the 80's "blue dogs" are either dead or Rethugricans now, wtf are you talking about? seriously, get back on your meds or find a new doctor...or both ?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 20:30 | 4965120 WeNeedaRealGovt
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I'm shocked to see someone post here saying they hate Neocons and Cheney, from what I've seen. The difference between most Americans(nonGOP/TP) and dyed in the wool GOPers is the latter really do wish illwill on other Americans for their beliefs.  I think it has something to do with the Civil War.  They really don't do "Country First" they do State first. Like Perry and Gomert and Cruz the secessionists, same sentiments like many who post here.  Go fuck yourself.  Remember "America, Love it or Leave it?" And if you can't handle to majority rule get the fuck out!  As far as the 2nd Amendment I've never met anyone who wants to repeal it.  Just keep the guns from the crazies.  

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:09 | 4965239 Squid Viscous
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wow i think your stuck at Maslow's Level 2, mixed with delusional partisan politics... beyond help, really...buh-bye

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:18 | 4965272 Greenskeeper_Carl
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stop.feeding.the.troll....

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:01 | 4965417 Emergency Ward
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yeah, okay.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:01 | 4965416 Emergency Ward
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forget it squid, I've fed the troll too, but if a rock could be a commenter, that's it.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:03 | 4965189 Emergency Ward
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Obama, like Bush Sr and Jr, and Clinton, has spent trillions blowing up Asia and Africa.  You just refuse to notice.  Just as a good apologist looks the other way.

What's with your unhealthy concern about Rush's sexuality?  No one else gives a fuck about Rush Limbaugh.

By the way, where are your positive remarks for Nazi Feinstein?  The article was about her latest actions.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:05 | 4965224 WeNeedaRealGovt
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Rush?  His views are well-represented here.

Asia?  Africa?  What did Obama blow up in in either.  I recall this site parotting the GOP standard bearers when he did not arm Syrian rebels.  Please provide a link to that lie?  Same with Kadaffy, very little $$ to off that fuck.  You have seen the McCain/Rice pictures meeting to negotiate oil contracts.  Who were they representing, the GOP or BP/XOM?

I don't have a sexual fixation with Rush or anyone.  But I could make the same claim since you commented about a slander about that fat stupid fuck.

I will say all these presidents are owned by the big money and it should be logical the big money controls these political parties.  But like so many who post on ZH, you hate other Americans, and its mostly because of the right wing news outlets or just more naturally ingrained, which makes you owned by the GOP.  And because of that you'll vote to keep them in power and when they give handouts to their cronies, at your expense, you'll believe them when they blame the D's.  You're owned and the rest of America now hates the GOP, rightly so.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:57 | 4965397 Emergency Ward
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You are very busy making all of your wild and false claims about War Chief Obama's innocence in this whole Asian and African mess ("Twilight Zone" theme music cues up as Afghanistan, Libya and Pakistan disappear from world maps).  But this is a Feinstein thread.

Let's talk Police State.  While the maniac Neo-Cons like McCain and Cheney cheered on by your Rush Limbaugh may lead in the warmongering department (despite Obama's best efforts to pass them up), no one loves the oppressive Police State with it's NSA, CIA, DHS and militarized  police agencies more than the lunatic progressives-in-charge like Feinstein, Hillary, Janet Napolitano, Obama and Holder.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:02 | 4965418 WeNeedaRealGovt
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Can't disagree that our presidents have been guilty as charged, and it is not getting better since the leaks.  And this is a Feinstein thread so this is it here.  She's clearly in the Clinton Shumer Clinton inner circle.

But the masters at fucking things up have'nt been brought to trial and most of the posters on this site don't acknowledge the damage done by Cheney Bush, as if it never happened. Bye.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:04 | 4965908 TheReplacement
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Damn dude, how much do they pay you for this crap?  You are so obviously a paid agent it is ridiculous.  Go away.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:02 | 4965896 TheReplacement
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Err, uh, I was for it before I was against it...  You are full of bullshit.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:03 | 4964834 Monty Burns
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Who gave you the reds?  Rumsfeldt and Cheney?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:32 | 4964472 corporatewhore
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Cui Bono?

Who benefits with this bill?  Can someone investigate as to whether Senator Feinstein or her husband/family member/in laws own a firm or other entity which stands to make ungodly millions from this bill?

Otherwise there is no reason to support this.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:04 | 4964838 Monty Burns
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Everyone who fears the truths the Internet will reveal.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:41 | 4968810 waterhorse
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Who benefits?  Excellent question.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:37 | 4964494 Duffy Duck
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She's a fuckin' Israeli agent just doing her job.

Don't be hatin'!

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:54 | 4964569 benb
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Pardon me Mr. Duck, but isn't she really a Rothschild Agent?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:22 | 4964668 Ariadne
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Diff?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:16 | 4965964 Seize Mars
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layman

Nice.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:45 | 4964523 Squid Viscous
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CISA = Communist Israeli Secret Agent? what did I win??

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:14 | 4965954 TeethVillage88s
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Ex-CIA Michael Scheuer V Congress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHl1JnQoIWQ

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:46 | 4964531 benb
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If only the system still worked like with Alger Hiss. Charge her with High Treason. Try her. Convict her. Then publicly hang her.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:48 | 4964551 kurt
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Feinstein in the West, Bloomberg in the East

In America the sun rises and sets ON ASSHOLES!

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 20:09 | 4965059 Infinite QE
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And you've got the son-of-a-terrorist Rahm leading the gang in Shitcago. Bolsheviks everwhere.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 21:00 | 4965208 benb
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Correction - Son of an Irgun terrorist/Rothschild agent. His dirt bag brother Ezekiel, the eugenics doctor, helped write the Affordable Care Act. (Choke) Yes, most of the news-makers are the gophers for the Ruling Oligarchy. An inter-generational troupe of diseased monkeys pretending to run the show for the 12 mega crime families... more fluoride please. Turn on the TV and take your vaccines.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 17:54 | 4964570 nightshiftsucks
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Feinstein is a dumb bitch.When everything was blowing up back in the day I sent her an email telling her she needed to call my kids and appologize for fucking up their future.The dumb bitch replied with some vague bullshit,I fucking hate politicians.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:03 | 4964812 Emergency Ward
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"Thank you for your words of support.  Senator Feinstein is tirelessly working for the National Security State and the future of the children."

-- Sincerely, The Office of the Honorable Progressive Police State Thug Diane Feinstein.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:43 | 4968830 waterhorse
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Canned letters are all I get from the DiFi or carpetbagger McClintock.  Assholes.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:06 | 4964602 Duffy Duck
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Seriously - this is to make sure DHS and other agencies who might have sigint/data NSA haven't sucked up give it to NSA...

Which means giving it to Israel. That's Feinstein's motive - not because she's Jewish, but because she's a Zionist dually-loyal sayan.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/06/zombie-bill-comes-back-look-senate...

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http://www.wired.com/2012/04/shady-companies-nsa/all/1

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data...

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remember this shit from the Times?:

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/16/guardian-story-on-israe...

I begin to wonder if shit that I always assumed was crazy bullshit, Abe Foxman's "anti-semitic canards" - if some of them actually have or once had a real basis...

chiggity chiggity check it:

http://www.holywar.org/jewishtr/19antis2.htm

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:50 | 4964618 Squid Viscous
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it's unreal how NSA sharing all this with Israel hasn't gotten any reaction, we are well and truly fucked...

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:58 | 4964816 TeethVillage88s
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nice

The disclosure that the NSA agreed to provide raw intelligence data to a foreign country contrasts with assurances from the Obama administration that there are rigorous safeguards to protect the privacy of US citizens caught in the dragnet. The intelligence community calls this process "minimization", but the memorandum makes clear that the information shared with the Israelis would be in its pre-minimized state.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:52 | 4965005 optimator
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Duffy, you'd think it would have made the news, huh.  When the Zionists want to get rid of someone they pull his name out of the computer files and.......use what they find, like cheating on the wife with a reporter.  Makes getting rid of someone easy even if he's head of the CIA,

 

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/when-former-cia-chief-d...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:09 | 4965928 TheReplacement
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That does work but it is like money printing.  It works until one day, it doesn't.  Eventually people lose faith in the currency.  Pushed too far and they no longer care about shame either.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:08 | 4965922 TheReplacement
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The last years have been surreal as the layers have been peeled away and my eyes opened.  You aren't the only one wondering about what is real and what is not.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:36 | 4964721 Stormtrooper
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Been holding my tongue for a long time.  I've read Zerohedge for far longer than I have been registered.  There are lots of  complaints about the disaster that the Federal government has created, most with no solutions although the guillotine does seem appropriate.  I have given up on any chance that Washington, D.C. might ever reform themselves for the betterment of America.  Many of the Founding fathers were skeptical that a limited Federal "agent" of the states could be contained.  They were correct in their fears.  They gave the sovereign states a method to change the Constitution without any direct involvement (interference?) from Congress, or any other Federal branch.

The method is called an Article 5 state convention.  2/3 of the state legislatures (34 states) can call for a convention (Article 5 does not require a reason; there have actually been some 700 calls by the states for a convention, 49 out of 50 states, with Hawaii the exception; Congress has so far ignored their Constitutional responsibility) and Congress is mandated to call a time and place for the Convention.  They can also "propose" a method of ratification which the states can adopt or ignore.  Beyond that, the states determine the rules and the outcome.  Their representatives propose amendments to the Constitution and if 3/4 (38 states) ratify, the amendment becomes a part of the Constitution.

Most calls for an Article 5 to date have been focused on current issues such as a Balanced Budget amendment.  Article 5 does not provide ANY limits on what can be proposed and adopted.  The ultimate amendment would be the "NUCLEAR" option, the termination of the Constitution and all branches, departments and agencies created as a part of the Federal government and the return of ALL powers of governance to the sovereign states.  Quite radical and I would hope would be very well thought out and debated.  Any other lesser changes are also on the table.

100 state legislators from 34 states (chaired by a legislator from my home state of Ohio) recently met to discuss the rules that might be adopted to manage a Constitutional Convention.  To better understand the power of Article 5, go to "Conventionofstates.com".  Some people are terrified by what might result from a Constitutional Convention.  So am I, but I believe that it should be tried before we fall back on the "gear" that many have gathered in their arsenal under the Second Amendment in order to make change the difficult way as did the original patriots.  If we can't rely on our state legislators to make the right choices for their constituents, then it may be time to break  down into smaller sovereign city states.

It's easy to sit at a computer and make comments but if you really want to make meaningfull change, you need to join the movement to "encourage" your state legislator to push forward with an Article 5 Constitutional Convention.  I recently approached my Congressman with the question "34 states have called for a Constitutional Convention (Michigan was number 34) under Article 5; when can we expect Congress to act".  He was dumbfounded.  Unaware of Article 5.  If Congress does not act, it is up to citizens to press their state legislators to call the Convention without any involvement by Congress.

Or, you can just sit back and wait for the ultimate collapse and accept the lawlessness from D.C.  I hope for a better future for my children and grandchildren. 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:41 | 4964965 TeethVillage88s
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I am aware of this movement, but haven't taken it serious over 2 years. Clearly, we have to get poorer, We have to lose more Middle Class, We have to be Interested/Focused/Concerned before multiple States Hold Conventions.

-Article 5 state convention
-Foreign Ownership apogee
-US Total Debt apogee

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsis
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TCMDO

Hate it, but we have to get more desperate. Pass more info, data, links, data links, and biographies.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:48 | 4964967 Squid Viscous
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cool story bro, I will drive to Albany tomorrow... do you think I will have to wait long to meet with Sheldon Silver ? and do you think he will be receptive of the idea of a state convention to vote on seceding from the US? just asking because a tank of gas in NYC is like 80 dollars, but maybe well worth it?

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 20:24 | 4965112 seek
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A convention isn't needed to amend the constitution. In fact, it's probably safer to not have a convention.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:53 | 4965850 MEAN BUSINESS
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Storm, there was a lot of important discussion of ART V and Petition for Redress (aka National General Assembly a la Continental Congress) at OWS.  Both you and Seek are right. Given the situation, an ART V could turn into a nightmare as I recall Lawrence Lessig mentioning, but also, and perhaps more significantly, it appears there already was grounds for an ART V and as you say, "Congress has so far ignored their Constitutional responsibility".

While I really admire your speaking out to  rally the troops it seems that the only prospects for this generation (I believe it's named Homeland which supplanted the Millenial in 2004) and likely at least another generation after is that things will continue to deteriorate. If Congress has ignored the Constitution thusly, it is difficult to imagine what would change that anytime soon, though my expectation is that the United States Of America is going to get AN EAR FULL in Paris 17 months from now at COP 21.

Sadly, I think Teeth's comment about lack of desperation is also correct. 

Storm, I recommend you read Radical Marijuana's posts more closely.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:48 | 4964765 kchrisc
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2 + 2 = ?:

1) 5

2) 4

Careful, we're watching and listening.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 18:49 | 4964767 TeethVillage88s
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“The bill would create a massive loophole in our existing privacy laws by allowing the government to ask companies for ‘voluntary’ cooperation in sharing information,.."

Read that... our police officers, FBI Agents, Other Federal Agencies will Intimidate you, Harass you, and Target you as some kind of Asshole - for NOT Cooperating.

Nice, if you are for neofascisism to keep your JOB.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:09 | 4964852 Livermore Legend
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Everything covered is already being done, and more.....

There is no "Privacy" on the Internet, and there Never Will Be.

Use Accordingly.

 

 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:12 | 4964857 Livermore Legend
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"Digital Prvacy" is an Oxymoron...... As is "Digital Security"......

Proceed Accordingly.

 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:22 | 4964907 TeethVillage88s
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"The bill also retains near-blanket immunity for companies to monitor information systems, to share information, and to use countermeasures."

Nice.

-Too bad they lose business from foreign Customers & Government proven by the recent "Edward Snowden" Files that exposed big Trans-Nationals
-AND gives the Reason to Re-Flag Outside of the USA and even seek a tax-haven to reduce US Corporate Tax Liabilities
-AND provides Impetus to shed image as an American Business OR Technology

That is all just 25%-50% of Revenues from overseas.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:27 | 4964926 Yen Cross
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     These fucking clowns can't even properly enforce red light camera tickets. That's the problem with big government. It can't even operate it's internal enforcement protocols efficiently or practically. All they care about is revenue.

     These a-holes are good at talking their scare tactics, but when it comes down to taking action they're a bunch of fucking pansies. They have so many alphabet agencies that if I had a bowl of soup there wouldn't be any room for water.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:34 | 4964951 SweetDoug
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“The bill would create a massive loophole in our existing privacy laws by allowing the government to ask companies for ‘voluntary’ cooperation in sharing information, including the content of our communications, for cybersecurity purposes.

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Another step towards tyranny, through the march towards fascism.

 

Government or anyone with power, NEVER 'asks' for 'voluntary' cooperation, no matter how you phrase it. It's coercion. Plain and simple.

 

See what happens if you don't cooperate.

 

"We're gonna mak'im an offer he can't refuse!"

 

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V-V

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:40 | 4964961 Burticus
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FineSWINE, Hitlery Rotten & the K.U.  Team Tyranny wearing jackass costumes.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 19:48 | 4964988 tvdog
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The NSA, with all its current spying powers, with all its ability to share data with the FBI and other federal agencies, has never caught a single hacker.

This bill is not about cybersecurity - unless you mean security for the elite from criticism sent via the Internet.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 20:13 | 4965073 logicalman
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How does one human being get to tell another human being what to do?

Just asking.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:06 | 4965919 Ariadne
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Superior fire power & intimidation.

Just saying.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 20:38 | 4965147 SMC
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Always read the fine print...

CISA is not about protecting you - it is about protecting "Just Us" from those who inform the pubic about the criminal activities of the crony-capitalists and their political minions.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 22:17 | 4965481 MedicalQuack
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Yes this is the only area we have a say and that's about it as who knows what goes on behind closed server doors.  Don't forget the private side of this too where they make money selling our data. I have my campaign and I'm taking nickels and dimes, well not really it has a $5 minimum to fight the private side.  The banks and companies make billions and it's getting bad too, and code runs hog ass wild, so if it's not the NSA it's corporations. 

It's ridiculous that insurance companies buy up and use all our credit card information data and then record our voices at their call centers and send those files out to some behavioral analytics folks to do that they do and come back with some kind of score for to be graded on that we never get to see either. 

Heck this could work too for the NSA as my campaign says make everyone buy a license and that would include states though seriously as they sell data.  The problem is when it's flawed and you need to fix it, you don't know where to go, or you fix it in one spot and it pops up again somewhere else as everyone is reselling and re-querying your data.  I'm self motivated here as I have and still am in this mess.  It's nothing I did at all, just bad address matches and other flawed data.  I found out the other day I have two aliases now and in the "real" world, I have never used an alias. 

http://www.gofundme.com/auyxd0

Today, big study that will crash a lot of data that "pre-diabetes" is a waste as it's medicinizing people who are healthy so get the drift.  Insurance companies will be changing their analytics algorithms and the data brokers can trash their lists of people diagnosed now as it's going out the medical arena as a diagnosis and doctors hated it anyway and knew it was a waste.  The real ones losing here are the data sellers and that's ok by me.

Snowden was the best thing that ever came along with data with both the NSA and addressing private abuse too. 

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:49 | 4965831 novictim
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We have to shut this shit down.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:55 | 4965856 TomGa
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Feinswine - "Oink, oink!"

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:35 | 4966144 litemine
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TPTB, want to get get a warning before someone is going to Get one or more of them. Starting to look like the rats THEY are. Keep your plans on paper, not electronic.....Your success depends on that.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:16 | 4969069 Vin
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Hang Feinstein and all her fasict buddies.

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