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The Fingerpointing Begins: Ukraine Accuses Rebels Of Shooting Down Airplane, Rebels Deny

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That didn't take long for the Ukrainian government to know exactly what happened:

  • *UKRAINE REBELS SHOT DOWN MALAYSIAN PLANE, GERASHCHENKO SAYS; But
  • *DONETSK SEPARATISTS SAY NOT INVOLVED IN PLANE CRASH: INTERFAX

All 280 passengers and 15 crew were killed in the crash. The Malaysian Airlines jet was shot down by the BUK Missile System according to Interfax.

 

The BUK Missile system:

 

Curiously, Anton Gerashchenko, advisor to Ukraine ministry of internal affairs, had a prepared explanation for everything that happened half an hour ago, long before Ukraine even announced it would begin a probe into the flight crash:

 

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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:38 | 4967688 gdiamond22
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John McCain just busted another load in his pants.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:41 | 4967715 Thought Processor
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He said, she said. 

 

Likely impossible to prove either way.  Especially if it was a set up meant to look like the other side did it (most likely scenario).

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:43 | 4967743 SheepRevolution
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Kiev needs to call Bush and Cheney in order to get some advice on how to handle a false flag once it has been pulled off. I mean seriuosly, it's been about 20 minutes since the crash and they are already blaming Russia? WTF?!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:44 | 4967755 Silky Johnson
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Call me crazy, but I am more likely to believe the rebels.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:49 | 4967804 BaBaBouy
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WARNING... Mckain Still Has One Good Arm Left!!!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:55 | 4967872 knukles
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ABC News reporting that flight disappears.  Shows smoke on video from crash.  Says nobody knows what the fuck is happening.  Retired NTSB goof droning upon flight recorders, etc.  Malfunctions.  B777 technology.  Etc., etc., etc.  Accidentally targeted commercial airliner?  What?  Over restricted airspace?  No... take a look at FlightAware screens... lots of commercials flying over there.. same as Iraq, Iran, etc., designated flyways....

 

a.) Propaganda, Media Manipulators, Perceptions Management.
b.) That or fucking idiots
c.) All of the above

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:59 | 4967902 Manthong
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Noodleman needs to get her ugly ass over there and pass out cookies to the responders and investigators.

She is a stakeholder in that wreckage.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:03 | 4967937 Latina Lover
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Only took the Kiev Kriminals 1 hour to complete their investigation and issue a press release. Way too fast for government work, unless you were expecting the event.

 

FALSE FLAG!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:05 | 4967961 kliguy38
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exactly

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:12 | 4968022 Manthong
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Well, about $1.5 billion of this weeks $3 billion in gold shorts have been undone so far with this news.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:36 | 4969213 COSMOS
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http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

RT says Putins plane was close by to that flight plane and that it was the UKES via NATO

I think this was a setup by the USA trying to kill Putin and the Russians played them for fools

Putin is too smart for them.  First I would not be surprised if instead he flies in a fighter escort plane instead where he has the option to eject.

USA is up to something very fishy here.  I think Putin just did check mate on the USA and he will let them make total fools of themselves before he buries them.   This may be the last nail in the coffin.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:13 | 4968033 Divided States ...
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Poor JoKe (John Kerry), this incident will shorten his leisure time on his yacht in the Bahamas....oh I wouldnt mind seeing his long face right now.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:22 | 4968147 Cacete de Ouro
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A horse of a different color

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:24 | 4968178 Poundsand
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McCain didn't unload in his pants, that was Grahamn's mouth.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:11 | 4968013 DetectiveStern
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The rebels don't have the tech to shoot down a plane at 33,000 feet unless they have more than shoulder launched missiles.

 

Comparison of man portable SAMs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K38_Igla#Comparison_chart_to_other_MANPADS

 

Confirmation of plane altitude. https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/489795658879348737/photo/1

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:12 | 4968034 Manthong
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I hate to say it, but at first blush it would make sense that some Eastern Ukrainian found a SAM system under a rock somewhere and could have ignorantly shot at whatever was over his territory.

On the other hand, I would not put it past the Kiev Nazis to do this; after all look what they are doing everywhere else in the east.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:52 | 4968752 BorisTheBlade
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Curiously, Ukraine has a track record of shooting down civilian airplanes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:49 | 4967806 EverythingEviL
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This is the catalyst to now bomb the shit out of someone

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:52 | 4967845 JRobby
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especially if they are brown

 

Carlin: We Like War  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeZ3nCXyb_Q

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:59 | 4967897 kliguy38
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WE LOOOOOOOOVE TO FIGHT.... USA USA USA    now back to our regularly scheduled programming... 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:08 | 4967993 Harbanger
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The MSM is blaming Rashia.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:36 | 4968276 EverythingEviL
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Russia fucked with the US Currency system, time to fuck them back I guess

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:50 | 4967816 DaddyO
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I recently listened to a presentation by Joel Skousen and his position is that war will collapse the world economy, not the fall of the dollar.

I am thinking he may be more right than he knows...

DaddyO

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:56 | 4967870 Thought Processor
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I agree with that.

 

But I'll add that the war itself is largely fabricated.

 

It's all theater.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:04 | 4967946 DaddyO
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It may be theater to you, but still deadly to all it touches...

Theater of the Macabre!

ma·ca·bre

adjective \m?-?käb; -?kä-br?, -b?r; -?käbr?\

: involving death or violence in a way that is strange, frightening, or unpleasant

DaddyO

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:07 | 4967976 Thought Processor
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We are all witnesses to the event.  

 

All it takes is more than one (ie: two witnesses).

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:12 | 4968031 fonzannoon
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what about the Legarde thing with the 7's?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:16 | 4968079 DaddyO
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I thought of that as well, if numerology is their thing then this portends to be dramatic.

Boeing 777, Flight MH17

Scary coincidental?

DaddyO

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:05 | 4968978 Cathartes Aura
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as I'm quite fond of "the Legarde thing with the 7's" - I'll post the text here for reference. . .

Published on May 24, 2014

“7? references:
1:22 – “Now I’m going to test your numerology skills by asking you to think about the magic seven”
1:34 – “Most of you will know that seven is quite a number
2:24 – “2014, you drop the zero, fourteen, two times, seven”
4:08 – “It will mark the 70th anniversary, 70th anniversary, drop the zero, seven, of the Bretton Woods Conference that actually gave birth to the IMF” (7 + 0 = 7)
4:22 – “And it will be the 25th anniversary of the fall of the berlin wall, 25th..” (2 + 5 = 7)
4:38 – “It will also mark the 7th anniversary of the financial market jietters”
5:08 – “After those seven miserable years, weak and fragile”
5:14 – “We have seven strong years”
5:43 – “Now I don’t know if the G7 will have anything to do with it” (G is also the 7th letter of the alphabet)

“2014? references:
1:18 – “The global economy and what we should expect for 2014?
2:19 – “So if we think about 2014?
2:24 – “2014, you drop the zero, fourteen, two times, seven”
3:54 – “So 2014 will be a milestone and hopefully a magic year in may respects”
5:05 – “So my hope and my wish for 2014?

The point for posting this here is, why is Lagarde bringing numerology up here? Is this a message? Is numerology real? Nonsense?

 

I know it's repetitive posting - think of it as an antidote to everything the mainstream will be pre-scribing. . .

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:18 | 4968093 Son of Captain Nemo
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It's all theater?...

TP

Tell that to families of the 295 passengers that just "bought it" in that airplane Kiev just shot down along with the 500 and counting dead, thounsands wounded and hundreds of thousands fleeing to safety in Russia that that U.S. funded government is 'cleansing'...

Ironic when you think that less than 70 years ago and just 20 in (Serbia and Croatia) cleansing was a term only used by Western governments that designated anyone that violated the rule of law... 

We've always lied, but now the powers that be aren't even trying to conceal it in their desperation. 


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:55 | 4968458 Thought Processor
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By saying 'theater' I am implying that this is all premeditated.

 

And may the dead rest in peace.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:50 | 4967818 nope-1004
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The fall of the USD will have serious consequences for those in the wrong place at the wrong time.  The devil is hard at work.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:54 | 4967867 fonzannoon
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these malaysians are having a seriously bad year.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:51 | 4968420 general ambivalent
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Their economy is great though, or stock market. What's it matter?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:13 | 4968042 intotheblack
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Me too, effendi.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:37 | 4968293 Professor Fate
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Did someone tell the cart girl to catch Obozo on the back nine and let him know what's going on or are we just going to let him read about it in the papers tomorrow as usual?

Fate the Magnificent
"Push the Button, Max"

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:55 | 4967869 Beard of Zeus
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False flag.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:02 | 4967929 boattrash
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Yep, we just found MS 370...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:56 | 4968465 XitSam
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Anyone that flies near Ukrainian airspace is nuts.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:38 | 4968777 Gern Blanston
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I was thinking the same thing.  For Pete's sake, they fly around thunderstorms... how the hell do they NOT alter course to avoid flying right over the top of a highly-publicized hot war zone?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:02 | 4967925 Meat Hammer
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It was Joe Biden with his shotgun.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:02 | 4967930 ChanceIs
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Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffalse flag.

But for whom, for what.

I called my Congresspuke yesterday to carp about the border crisis and criminal aliens.  Said...'Look - all we need to do is impose economic sanctions on Mexico and the flood would stop instantly.  How could that be a problem - we slapped them on Russia post haste - you know - no environmental impact statement, no hearings on whether Vladimir was surrounded by too many women as a youth the way Hillary apologized for Bubbas bad behavior.  Boom.  Done.'

Soooooooo we did more sanctions and a jet goes down in flames.  (Prayers for the deceased and their families.)  Did Putin do it to retaliate?  Very bad play if he did.  Did the Ukraineians do it to make like Putin did it in retailiation?  Understandable motive but hardly credible.  Either way Jogn McCain will be demanding a new sop - that would be shovel ready jobs - for the military industrial complex.

Hamas?  Iran?

Can't wait to hear what Barrack has to say from the tenth tee in Martha's Vineyard.

And it happened during Ramadan!  Hmmmmmmm?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:22 | 4968152 boattrash
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ChanceIs, Could be TPTB planned this to get our "Cocksucker-In-Chief" to take action/draw a red line, to finally piss off the rest of the word and finalize the collapse of US Dollar as reserve currency.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:51 | 4968885 SDShack
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To your first point, I suspect the real reason for this false flag is that the flood of illegals is gaining traction and starting to piss off a lot of real citizens worried about how this is going to affect crime, disease, welfare, education, and wages. Have to get THAT off the front pages and off the TV. Nothing better then shooting down an airliner with Cold War / Hot War repurcussions to distract the sheeple.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:10 | 4971060 boattrash
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SDShack, you may be right, but I've been looking at the border issue as a 2-fold issue, primarily as a distraction to cover a loss of control on Reserve Currency/Petro Dollar status. Followed by the general speedballing tear-down of our System/Nation/ Rule of Law, Etc... that continues by BOTH parties, both domestically and globally.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:41 | 4967726 monkeyboy
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Won't be long till they find an undamaged passport in the wreckage or something along those lines.....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:58 | 4967888 25or6to4
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@monkeyboy
More than likely it will be a missle in perfect unexploded condition with rebel/ Russian ensignia on it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:05 | 4967959 agstacks
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and a mink fur cap with ear flaps and a broken bottle of stoli..

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:42 | 4967730 knukles
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Paul Krugman, thinking of broken portholes and twisted aluminum, excited by the news of John McCain busting a load in his pants, took a dump in his while getting a prostate massage from Lindsay Graham.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:52 | 4967836 Killer the Buzzard
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Dude, WTF.. I had to spit out my bagel.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:22 | 4968155 DaddyO
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Knucks is as twisted as the aluminum wreckage...

DaddyO

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:43 | 4967747 Mr Pink
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I would like to point my finger at the CIA, Mossad, the Banking cartel...you know, the real bad guys

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:17 | 4967996 whirling tword ...
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IMHO, most likely WHOEVER did it.... they just saw a plane going over and shot it the fuck down.... probably didn't have any idea what the plane was or who was on it.

The rebels ( good guys ) supposedly had the equipment to do it... I don't know what Ukraine has.... Of course, not sure I can believe anything at all in the reporting.........  We may never know what happened but, I do know how it will be reported over here.

Both sides will attempt to blame the other and, John McCain surely has blown several nuts by now.... Maybe we'll get lucky one of these days and it will be a vein in his forehead instead....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:47 | 4968380 ZH Snob
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sorry, but I can't keep up.  who are the "rebels" again, and on which side do they fall?  between the ukraine and iraq the causes and rationale for hatred are all so blurred.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:38 | 4967692 HedgeAccordingly
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dont believe it for a second ]

 

http://www.hedge.ly 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:59 | 4967711 Karl Napp
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10k altitude? Do the rebels have fighter aircrafts or air defense missiles? Highly unlikely. BUK air defense systems are operated by Ukrainian as well as Russian army. Operating range of most sophisticated BUK is 50km. If the aircraft was really downed 60km from the Russian border that would mean blame the Ukrainian airforce.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:46 | 4968851 NoPantsSpongeBob
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Exactly my thoughts. The rebels don't have equipment to reach 10K meters above ground. Kyiv government is as always shamelessly full of shit.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:10 | 4969013 layman_please
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:42 | 4969242 NoPantsSpongeBob
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:59 | 4969356 layman_please
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never said they don't

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:41 | 4967717 maskone909
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i just saw gold gap up and was like WTF!?  they reaaally want a nuke war, crazy bastards

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:46 | 4967769 Bankster Kibble
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Gold up $12 in about 5 minutes.  Somebody spiked the punch and the party is just getting hot.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:41 | 4967719 doomandbloom
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Wonder if there was anyone special in that flight...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:06 | 4967977 ChanceIs
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Just Ron Brown.  Oooooops, I meant Darrel Issa.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:41 | 4967721 LasVegasDave
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Tin Foil Hat Alert

calling troll John 39, come in John 39

 

wait for it.

 

In 3, 2, 1...

 

The Israeili zionist Joos used their puppets to shoot down the Malaysian airliner

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:42 | 4967736 maskone909
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doesnt seem too far fetched really.  do you actually trust what the deadlines tell you?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:02 | 4967924 Anusocracy
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Three questions:

Who benefits?

What countries have a reputation for doing this?

Who needs distractions?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:20 | 4968137 Utah_Get_Me_2
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1.) The Banks that own the MIC

2.) The countries owned and operated by said Banks.

3.) All of the above.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:38 | 4968309 actionjacksonbrownie
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Well can't have the world noticing those dismembered kids at the beach now, can we?

 

Israhell just got a blank check for a few days outta this...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:28 | 4968209 boattrash
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Vegas Dave, Just go back to sleep, FOX News will have it all figured out and report it for you after nap-time.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:42 | 4967728 Utah_Get_Me_2
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MH-17 a 777 shot down on 7/17.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:44 | 4967751 Tsar Pointless
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Nice.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:47 | 4967789 Utah_Get_Me_2
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2014 = 2+0+1+4 = 7

If this was just an 'accident' and not a planned provacation, it's one hell of a coincedence.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:46 | 4968365 nidaar
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If it happens:
- once it's bad luck.
- twice is coincidence
- three times, then it's all enemy action.

Who is the enemy? MH370 was lost where?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:47 | 4967778 knukles
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17 + 777 + 7 + 17 = 818
8 + 1 + 8 = 17
1 + 7 = 8
818 + 17 + 8 = 843
8 + 4 + 3 = 15
1 + 5 = 6
6 x 11 = 666

And there, you have it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:52 | 4967834 SheepRevolution
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6 x 11 = 666??? Fail...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:53 | 4967844 nope-1004
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Forgot to carry the......  three.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:59 | 4967899 frankTHE COIN
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You almost pulled it off Knukles. But unfortunately instead of calling you Rainman We gotta call you Trickle on that one.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:06 | 4967974 Itch
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stick your fancy sums up your ass.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:21 | 4968080 Golden Rule
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Not a huge conspiracy theorist but kinda strange when taking this in context. 

Boeing 777

Flight 17

295 killed, 2+9+5= 16, 1+6=7

 

http://deusnexus.wordpress.com/2014/07/01/occult-message-lagarde/

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:24 | 4968172 Utah_Get_Me_2
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MH-17

777

7/17/2014 or 2+0+1+4 = 7 = 7/17/7

These globalist, Bohemian Grove types just can't resist themselves. Always revealing the method.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:14 | 4969046 layman_please
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crashed at 17:17

1+7+1+7=16 1+6=7

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:55 | 4968179 Cacete de Ouro
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MH17 on 17th
July, 2014 = 7, (2+0+1+4 = 7) = 77 = 7/7 = 7*11

Flight number 9M-MRD (MuRDer)

MH17 plane has it's first flight on July 17th 1997 which was exactly 17 years ago today.

See
http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28411,9M-MRD-Mal...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:32 | 4968730 Utah_Get_Me_2
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No fucking way. We've gone plaid.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:29 | 4968220 Frank N. Beans
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zero hedge just went full retard

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:47 | 4967784 _ConanTheLibert...
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Not only that. It was right on the border of Russia/Uky!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:11 | 4968015 I Write Code
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Right on the border?  Then where will they bury the survivors?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:13 | 4968036 CCanuck
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.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:56 | 4967879 Mesquite
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4 days ahead of schedule...

(She said stuff would 'happen' on the 20th...)

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:42 | 4967733 kchrisc
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We will never know the truth on this one.

However, the DC US and Israel are responsible.

Cookies, anyone?!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:42 | 4967735 CourageousDogSn...
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Is this the missing MH370 flight resurfacing over Ukraine to be convieniently shot down by Russian separatists?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:43 | 4967738 Meat Hammer
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Quick!  Send some military "advisers" to make sure this doesn't become a hot war!

Oh, wait...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:43 | 4967741 Battle Beagle
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Ask yourself, who benefits from this mess?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:53 | 4967852 Utah_Get_Me_2
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Henry. George. Zbigniew. You know those European, Russo-phobic megalomaniacs who have been lighting the world on fire for the last 60 years.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:08 | 4967995 ChanceIs
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When did Bilderburg last meet?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:12 | 4968021 Utah_Get_Me_2
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First week of June in Copenhagen.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:14 | 4968047 ChanceIs
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There ya go!!!!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:55 | 4967864 JRobby
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Those that finance war and make war "products"

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:44 | 4967745 Squid Viscous
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this is gonna be good, do I have time for a popcorn run?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:44 | 4967749 Bankster Kibble
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According to Wikipedia, BUK missiles have been around since 1980, most recently updated in 2007, and both Russia and Ukraine used them.

So who was the butterfingers in control of that missile?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:52 | 4967835 my_nym
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Are we really going to have to play pretend that it was an accident?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:08 | 4967989 earleflorida
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an alibi of duplicity is that of a ageless 'potemkin village... this mask'd protean... this, 'kafkaesque`situation'

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:47 | 4967750 CrashisOptimistic
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Presumably that airplane was in cruise at 35,000 feet. 

Sophisticated radar controlled ground to air missiles can certainly get up that high, but it takes time to train people to use that equipment. 

Even if the Russians supplied it, hard to see how the rebels got trained that fast to use it.

Oil north of $102 and the 10 year well south of 2.5.  Of course, I think that was true before the airliner news.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:52 | 4967838 maskone909
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wow we need to have this confirmed.  if the 10y and gold was bid just before this happened, well, that some fucked up shit!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:08 | 4967988 Grande Tetons
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I would like to see someone chart this. That would be telling to see the fucking least. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:54 | 4967854 css1971
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Well, maybe they got 10 minutes and "here's the manual" type training.

Then started hitting every blip which appeared on the scope.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:16 | 4968144 Seek_Truth
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Still well within range of BUK.

A little research goes a long way before commenting.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:44 | 4967756 alexcojones
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What sort of scum shoots down a passenger jet?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:50 | 4967795 CrashisOptimistic
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That would be Russia shooting down a Korean airliner.

That would be the US Navy, who shot down an Iranian airliner.

 

KAL 007 and Iran Air flight 655.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:52 | 4967832 dobermangang
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The US shot down an Iranian passenger jet.  Shit happens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:52 | 4967833 W.M. Worry
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:10 | 4968004 boattrash
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"What sort of scum shoots down a passenger jet?"

Any number of False-Flaggers

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:17 | 4968091 earleflorida
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the same kind that make em disappear...

Maylasia's got a history... going 0-2 in last six-eight months

sad

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:45 | 4967760 Ness.
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Amazing how within minutes of the plane hitting the ground "they" already had this whole thingy figured out.  The who, where, how and why.  Almost like they knew this might happen.  Hmmm

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:54 | 4967851 maskone909
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yup.  reaks of insider knowledge.  especially if the 10y and gold ect were bid just before it happened

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:05 | 4967957 Mesquite
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Just like 9/11......

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:45 | 4967763 jmcadg
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Someone has fucked up big time.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:45 | 4967764 1971
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Israel goverment is looking to distract media so they can move into Gaza.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:46 | 4967783 Squid Viscous
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lol, like they could give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:45 | 4967766 Circle of DNA
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FALSE FLAG

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:45 | 4967767 Itchy and Scratchy
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This must drive the lovely Sec of State Victoria Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan to an orgasmic state of euphoria!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:45 | 4967771 world_debt_slave
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world wars have started for less and we are way overdue for one

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:46 | 4967772 JR
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Is America governed by mad men? With everything pointing to an Israeli occupation of Washington, as Obama pushes ahead with his support for Israeli leaders threatening a full scale ground invasion of Gaza and as US-backed Yats/Poroshenko atrocities pile up in Eastern Ukraine, where is the US brokerage for peace, for saving lives?


Fascist Atrocities Mount as US-backed Regime Assaults Eastern Ukraine | Global Research | July 17, 2014

By Alex Lantier

As the Western-backed regime in Kiev assaults pro-Russian militias in the major cities of eastern Ukraine, mass graves are coming to light in Slavyansk, the former opposition stronghold recently captured by Kiev. The government offensive is unfolding with the support of Washington and the European Union (EU), which yesterday imposed more sanctions to compel Moscow to abandon any support for opposition militias in Ukraine.

Andriy Lysenko, the spokesman for the Kiev regime’s Defense and Security Council, said yesterday that “hundreds of bodies of rebel fighters” had been found in shallow graves. Lysenko claimed some of the graves “have been mined by the terrorists”—apparently implying that some of the dead were killed during the siege of Slavyansk and buried by fellow opposition fighters before Kiev’s forces captured the town. Lysenko refused to give further details.

While the Kiev regime’s bombardment of Slavyansk doubtless caused hundreds of casualties, its own accounts show that the far-right Ukrainian nationalist militias it has mobilized are carrying out a campaign of political terror and murder in Slavyansk. Upon capturing the city, they detained all men between the ages of 25 and 35 on suspicion of supporting or giving aid, including medical aid, to the opposition militias.

On Tuesday, Interior Ministry official Anton Gerashchenko confirmed that two Slavyansk priests had been murdered for supporting opposition forces. “We found a grave of two priests from Slavyansk, who were tortured and killed by the Ukrainian nationalists,” Gerashchenko said. The bodies of two sons of one of the priests were discovered in the same grave as the priests’ mutilated remains.

The Odessa diocese confirmed that Ukrainian nationalists have threatened, beaten or kidnapped several Orthodox priests, many of whom they consider too close to Moscow. The Odessa diocese secretary, Archpriest Andrei Novikov, who has fled to Moscow fearing arrest by Ukrainian nationalist groups, said, “I’m sure if the government keeps its position, it will handle the physical liquidation of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine.”

Statements by top Kiev officials during the siege of Slavyansk amounted to a blank check for its far-right forces—including fascist militias such as the Right Sector and Azov Battalion and the newly formed National Guard—to murder civilians.

President Petro Poroshenko pledged that his forces would “liquidate” opposition fighters…. Poroshenko called for disproportionate killings in retaliation for losses suffered by his regime, saying: “For every soldier’s life, the militants will pay with dozens and hundreds of their own.” …

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fascist-atrocities-mount-as-us-backed-regime-assaults-eastern-ukraine/5391739

Backed by Obama, Israeli Leaders Threaten Full Scale Ground Invasion of Gaza

http://www.globalresearch.ca/backed-by-obama-israeli-leaders-threaten-full-scale-ground-invasion-of-gaza/539173

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:46 | 4967776 qazwsx
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Damn, bad luck if your Malaysian Airlines haha. 2 planes so far this year,  What the fuck is going on!?

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:50 | 4967812 Squid Viscous
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have you ever been in a car with an Asian guy at the wheel?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:55 | 4967863 Baby Eating Dingo22
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No, but I've wanted to run a few of them and their curry swiggging neighbors off of the road

It's a big adjustment going from dirt paths and rickshaws to minivans and rules

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:12 | 4968006 Atomizer
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If you want a death wish, drive as a passenger with Mrs Atomizer. She is a brilliant business person. Has no common sense. For example, she was watering the plants and garden this morning. Took out her two mobile phones on water intake. As I type, she is replacing them. 

Nevertheless, I love her. 

Little humor to share with the community. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:13 | 4968040 boattrash
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Yah qaz, was just thinking, who has placed a bid  on Malaysian Air lately, or who will...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:47 | 4967782 Peter Pan
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I am trying to imagine what those helpless and blameless passengers and crew endured before they died and what their loved ones will endure for the rest of their lives.

I guess Ukraine has just become a no-fly zone.

May the innocent rest in peace and may the guilty never enjoy peace in any sense of the word.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:07 | 4967979 dobermangang
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Probably lots of tourists just wanting to take a cheap vacation on the beaches of Malaysia.  Really sad.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:30 | 4968224 Seek_Truth
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You're assuming there were passengers on board the repurposed Flight MH 370?

False Flag don't need no passengers!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:47 | 4967786 QQQBall
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Sad occurence; however, the news spins and coverage will be very interesting... Leaks, rumours and later the corrections

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:13 | 4967801 socalbeach
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There's this Ukie plane or bomber that was just shot down over the Ukranian city of Torez.  I don't rule out the possibility the militias shot down the Malaysian plane by accident, the militias captured some Ukranian anti-aircraft BUK missiles recently.  Or it could be a false flag by the Ukranians, they're suffering huge losses and want a scapegoat, and to draw in more Western support.

Over Thorez was hit by the plane, more details (video)

"Today, the area Thorez (DND) plane fell Ukrainian air force. There is a version, according to which over Thorez shot down an-26. But probably it was the bomber, because according to the information of eye-witnesses, the plane has released several missiles before the fall..."

map of where Thorez is located, it's east of Donetsk:

http://www.maplandia.com/ukraine/donetska/torez/

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:19 | 4968108 rwe2late
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"the militias captured some Ukranian anti-aircraft BUK missiles recently."

source?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:26 | 4968193 socalbeach
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ZIP: clear sky above Donetsk - DND special forces captured the garrison missile air defense forces

'In Donetsk fighters of special division of the army of the Donetsk national Republic seized the garrison missile forces, anti-aircraft missile regiment AA ? A-1402. Armed parts are powerful air defense system, long-range detection and destruction of air targets..

Recall that Slavyansk Donetsk shares 113 km depending on modification air defence system "Dome" is capable of detecting targets at a distance of 150 km, the working range of purpose - self-propelled firing installation Buk" around 20 km.'

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:05 | 4970399 rwe2late
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thanks for the reply

Looks like the blame potentially could rest with the rebels.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:49 | 4967802 Atomizer
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What a sad world we live in today. Without chaos, imaginary market bubbles don't exist. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:49 | 4967803 Usura
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Timing was opportune.  Aircraft downed just after the London gold close. (Fixing)

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:50 | 4967814 Atomizer
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PS, just my two cents. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:51 | 4967830 Z_End
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And so it begins...

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:53 | 4967846 swass
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Not sure I would consider flying a passenger jumbo jet over or near areas of military tension to be a wise idea.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:53 | 4967848 youngman
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Is this Putins Boomarang????

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:11 | 4968026 ChanceIs
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Nah.  Vlad likes his polonium.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:54 | 4967855 Squid Viscous
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gonna need some new planes, long Alcoa here...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:11 | 4968020 QQQBall
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New planes for what? This happens a few more times, particularly if US soil/airspace included, and you can stick a fork in the airline/air-travel industry.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:55 | 4967873 NoWayJose
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Three most likely happenings:

1.  The airplane 'lost contact' somehow and deviated from the flight path - causing it to be treated as hostile by the Ukraine missile batteries

2.  Something inside the plane went 'BOOM'

3.  Something mechanical went wrong, and Gravity won the battle.

There should be a fair amount of signal intelligence available here, as Ukraine, Russia, and the CIA have to be monitoring everything going on.  The only question is whether the true sig-int will be released.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:56 | 4967882 DiogenesTheCynic
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The Russians could spin this to their favor. The big headline before this happened was that Ukraine blamed Russia for downing a Su-25. Ukraine brings in the sophisticated anti-aircraft to prevent this. Paranoid Ukraine shoots down the airliner.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:57 | 4967884 Itchy and Scratchy
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U.S. financed & Blackwater trained baby!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:06 | 4967973 johand inmywallet
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What's Blackwater?

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