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First Photos Emerge Of Malaysian Airlines Plane Wreckage

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The first eyewitness photo of debris of MH17 Malaysian Airlines plane has been released. Considering the amount of propaganda involved in this tragic development, take everything with a mine of salt.

From Russia's LifeNews:

And another:

Source: RT and @MatevzNovak

 

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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:26 | 4968183 XRAYD
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Looks like a photo shop job! No sign of fire! Those kids mucking around ... they were working in their garden when the plane fell?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:26 | 4968184 gdiamond22
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Ukraine Illegal Immigrant Resort

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:26 | 4968189 Lmo Mutton
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Well it has been a while but I think the painted ring on the door mean it opens to the inside.  

A painted ring on the outside fuselage means it opens to the outside.

 

 

I think.

 

As soon as dancing with the idles is over I will look it up.  /sarc

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:26 | 4968190 JohninMK
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The colour scheme on that panel is correct for Malaysian Airlines.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:27 | 4968199 MasterOfTheMult...
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Both WWI and WW2 started in the Balkans. What will be the straw that breaks the camel's back this time?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:28 | 4968203 Smegley Wanxalot
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from the MSM ... "we picked up that piece of debris over there and look what we found!  A note saying fuck Kiev, we in  East Ukraine are responsible for this!" and using this as undeniable evidence, John Lurch Kerry has asked for a ground assault.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:30 | 4968230 madbraz
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Wish the article read:  "All passengers aboard where attendees at the Seeking Alpha conference, including bankers, hedge fund managers, the financial press".

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:32 | 4968242 AgeOfJefferson
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There's no way that part looks like it comes from a plane that was shot down from 10km above. Just a hunch...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:40 | 4968326 Bankster Kibble
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Amazing that there are whole bodies to be seen in the photos.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:44 | 4968355 firstdivision
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How so?  Blow a hole with a missle and the plane will break apart pretty quickly (i.e. not enough time for burning/charing of the people on board). 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:51 | 4968417 NoWayJose
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How do you get a chunk of charred wreckage right next to a clean intact body?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:47 | 4968378 Citxmech
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Doesn't look much different than the photos from Lockerbie to me.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:49 | 4968877 robertocarlos
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I am wrong about it coming down in one piece, more or less. It does look like Lockerbie, except it wasn't an internal bomb.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:07 | 4970408 Citxmech
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Honestly, I don't think you're going to see much difference between a missile hit and a bomb as the missile essentially explodes inside the plane.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:32 | 4968246 Apeman
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Quick, salvage the metal

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:55 | 4968447 SilverDOG
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Yeah, the metal from the fingers and necks and such !

Quick max out those credit cards too. 

Try collecting that Capitol One!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:38 | 4968300 Itchy and Scratchy
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This has got to make it into the family photo album of  the lovely U.S. Sec of State Victoria (F.U.) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan! Right next to her wedding photos!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:38 | 4968301 dumbStruck
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Too big of a coincidence it's a Malaysian plane I think. Maybe a bomb in it's cargo compartment ? Maybe on a timer since it was loaded on board, maybe it was loaded in it's home country by a Malaysian terrorist group ? Or loaded on a stop somewhere, why Malaysian, that's the big question here to start with.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:45 | 4968479 Salsipuedes
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You might want to consider the fact that the longest serving Prime Minister in Malasian history hosted the 9/11 Truth Conference not too long ago. It focused on prosecutions (as if they hadn't got the memo!). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HZdgaViIyI

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:38 | 4968302 AgeOfJefferson
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Maybe from Ground Zero but definately not from MH17…

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:38 | 4968303 pragmatic hobo
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... why is a passenger jet flying from Amsterdam to Malaysia flying over Ukraine war zone?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:38 | 4968307 kurt
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Even if it was a Russian missle, which I doubt, it could have had its transponder spoofed by the nearby American spyplane complete with EW equipment? Don't take the bait people. ABC is already pumping out insinuating psy-ops. We shouldn't be there AT ALL! 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:39 | 4968310 QE49er
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<---- False Flag

<---- Shot Down by Russian Seperatists

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:47 | 4968330 Salsipuedes
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The passenger manifest and insurance deals on the side are invariably of interest. They never let a manufactured crisis go to waste.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:43 | 4968344 Tjeff1
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My wife speaks Russian and said that one of the separatist guys had tweeted that they just shot down a Ukrainian plane right after this has happend.  This tweet has since been deleted.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:25 | 4968696 Tjeff1
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:41 | 4968807 Volkodav
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She knows this seperatist guy?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:53 | 4968917 Herd Redirectio...
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A hacked twitter account could never happen, right?  I mean, if I was plan(t)ing a false flag...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:44 | 4968350 SmittyinLA
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Mayaysia Air:  No problem, airplane was bought on credit and insured by the US ex-import bank 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:45 | 4968364 AgeOfJefferson
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Or could it be in retaliation for yesterday's announcement of the new BRICS Development Bank. Nahhhh! Probably just a coinkidink...!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:48 | 4968393 magpie
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They were planning on blowing up something on 7/27, guess the announcement might have forced a hand.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:46 | 4968373 TheEndIsNear
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But, but... how can this be???  There were no bodies nor wreckage at all following the 9/11 crash in Shanksville and the Pentagon. These photos must be fake!!!  :-J

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:55 | 4968455 Quantum Nucleonics
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That's pretty idiotic, and show's the suspended disbelief required to believe the various 9/11 conspiracy theories.  "How can this be???"  Eh, speed?  Assuming the Malaysian jet was hit by a SAM, it probably lost power and came down under gravity at 100 - 200 knots is pieces - the photos seem to suggest this.  The jets on 9/11 hit and 400 - 500 knots.  Setting that aside, there were bodies recovered in the 9/11 crashes.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:20 | 4969098 WTFx10
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"Setting that aside, there were bodies recovered in the 9/11 crashes."

You want to post some proof to that statement Kool-aid?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:47 | 4968377 Quantum Nucleonics
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Pretty obvious that it was a Russian/rebel shoot down.  They just shot down a Ukranian An-26 a couple days ago.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:58 | 4968482 Anusocracy
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It's pretty obvious that you just made a gigantic assumption.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:35 | 4968751 Quantum Nucleonics
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Mmm, let's see. Occurred over rebel held territory. Rebel controlled SA-17 missile launcher sighted in the area in the last few days. Rebels boasting of shooting down at Su-25 and an An-26 in the last few days.  Seems like a rather reasonable assumption, obviously.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:44 | 4969255 BlindMonkey
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Hardly a reasonable assumption. There are 3 actors with these weapons: Ukie, DPR/LPR and Russia.

Accidents are possible so it could be accidental on the part of any of the three. The Ukie would have the most to gain from a false flag. Occam's razor suggests false flag on the part of the Ukie Nazis.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:48 | 4968389 1stepcloser
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shanksville should of look like this...but noooo!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:48 | 4968390 RevRex
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Can one of you Jew haters explain how the wreckage is 35 miles from the Russian border when  gullible sheep here claim it was shot down by the Jews in the WESTERN Ukraine?

 

I can see why you must stoop to calling me names!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:03 | 4969378 Terminus C
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So... it's ok for you to call people names, but you are mad that people are calling you names?

I'll address you once, troll, because... well, just because.

People are claiming the plane was shot down over west Ukraine because of the original map that showed the flight terminus over west Ukraine.  Yes, they did not follow up and look at the other maps but you really, really are trying too hard to derail this discussion by making false claims (jews shot down the plane) and deliberate misinterpretations (you know why people are claiming shot down over west Ukraine but you harp on it anyway).

BTW, most here (aside from trolls) recognize the difference between Jews and the government of Isreal in much the same way as people here recognize the difference between Americans and the governmnent of America.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:48 | 4968391 NoWayJose
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Lots of charred wreckage, yet no burn marks on several of the bodies...  Should be interesting to hear how the crash forensics come out -- but because it is in the Ukraine, we know who will be in charge of those.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:49 | 4968396 HamRove
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This False Flag isn't goin to work....No war will come of it. 

Once again the plan has failed.

Too bad

So sad

Now fade into the void and be forgotten. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:49 | 4968405 rum_runner
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Intact bodies implies they were breathing on the way down.  What an awful way to go.  I just hope the high-altitude exposure knocked them all unconscious or suffocated them in short order.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:51 | 4968414 AZLagun
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Pisses me off innocent people like that are put in the middle of this gand scheme to start WW3.  On a side note, look at all hat debris.  Interesting how we never saw any of that when the supposed plane hit the Pentagon.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:52 | 4968421 tony wilson
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was this plane the plane that has been parked up for months in israel?

was this plane on it's way too commit another mossad false flag

 

who knows

http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14753

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:34 | 4968747 BobTheSlob
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Thank gawd Tony the Muslim showed up. Otherwise people might start thinking that the Jews weren't behind this! But then again that star of david just to the left of the dead body is a dead ringer for Mossad!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:07 | 4969410 Terminus C
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I am sure they'll find a Russian or Saudi Passport in the wreckage near one of the hijackers/bombers/air defense operators.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:51 | 4968422 Yen Cross
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    The U.S. media is such a bunch of fucking pussy douchwads. I realize this is a horrific accident and no one wants to see dead bodies, but the way they sterilize everything is ridiculous!

    Show the whole picture you asswipes so people can see the reality of what's really happening, and what the stakes are you worthless panzies! I could care less about some fucking piece of tin that's been cropped out of 5% of the picture. Thank God we have Tyler to show the whole picture, and NOT just a PC snapshot of it!

 rant off/

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:30 | 4968725 Itchy and Scratchy
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It's a bit tricky for the media when their country started all of this!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:57 | 4968424 yellowsub
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So this how MH-370 ended up?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:53 | 4968435 DrewJackson
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I am amazed at all the airplane engineers and crash experts we have on the Hedge... 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:02 | 4968517 pazmaker
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I was thinking the same thing Drew.....simply amazing!!!   What great crew!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:59 | 4968484 RiskyBidness
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john mccain just btfd!!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:02 | 4968530 observer007
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Latest on MH17:

The first alleged eyewitness photo of debris of MH17 Malaysian Airlines plane has been released. Considering the amount of propaganda involved in this tragic development, take everything with a mine of salt. Source: RT

Latest:

http://tersee.com/#!q=mh17&t=text

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:05 | 4968545 CharlieMike
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Looks like those dudes are helping themselves to some aircraft aluminum.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:05 | 4968547 schatzi
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Will the tinfoil-hatters give it a rest. This looks as deadly genuine as can be.

 

In any event it was an obvious mistake. Alle three sides in that conflict could have done it. Apparently the rebels had claimed on a site of theirs that they had shot down a transport machine. When the news hit of a missing passenger liner, the claim quickly dissapeared. Even then it's not evidence the rebels actually did down the machine. I'm not in the position to place the blame anywhere.

 

The only thing I don't understand, is why the fuck Malaysian Airlines flies over a fucking war zone. School holidays just started in Holland. I can well imagine it was packed with families. May they rest in peace.

 

I see a massive class action lawsuit against the airlines incoming.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:17 | 4969078 WTFx10
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I was thinking the same thing about you Kool-aid drinkers. Do you believe in magic too?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:13 | 4968600 mbutler101
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You know it's strange, the Shanksville PA crash on 911 looks nothing like this...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:13 | 4968607 KCMLO
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Before our armchair forensic analysts get started, keep in mind a SAM is NOT designed to make physical contact with the aircraft.  It explodes within close proximity and causes more shredding action than a contact explosion.

A "contact" or "hard kill" is not necessary on something as delicate as an aircraft.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:16 | 4968628 SAT 800
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Hey what kind of airplane is that; it left big engine parts and stuff all over the place;? How come it's not the like the one in Pennsylvania that just left a little mark in the ground and no pieces? I thought they evaporated when they crashed?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:16 | 4968632 Utah_Get_Me_2
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Let me get this straight:

-Russia attempts to de-escalate conflict.

-Ukraine shells Russian border station. (Ukraine Denies, blames Russian provacateurs)

-Russian jet shoots down Ukrainian SU-25. (Ukraine condemns, Russia Denies and make ethnic cleansing accusations)

-US sanctions Russia.

-MH-17 Boeing 777 shot down on 7/17 the following day right near the border. (Ukraine has all the details minutes after the crash. Blames Rebels. Rebels blame Kiev. Everyone denies.)

-Ruble plummets, drops most since 2011. MSM condemning Russia/Rebels.

Do Russia or the rebels appear to benefit from this? Me thinks not. The fix might finally be in folks.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:16 | 4968634 SAT 800
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Anouncement of the intact passport coming in about a half-hour.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:19 | 4968649 Fuku Ben
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:21 | 4968663 Government need...
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Mom?   MOM!!!!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:24 | 4968687 Lmo Mutton
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Well we can quit looking for MH370.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:28 | 4968714 smithmorra
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This is a terrible tragedy and our hearts go out to the victims' families.  

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:39 | 4968788 Buster Cherry
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Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us.
Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from Evil,
For Thine is the Kingdom, the power and the Glory.

Amen.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:39 | 4968791 Buster Cherry
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Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us.
Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from Evil,
For Thine is the Kingdom, the power and the Glory.

Amen.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:00 | 4968950 slightlyskeptical
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Well God certianly isn't delivering us from evil. Allowing free will to be snuffed out like this makes the whole God thing pretty ludicrous.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:02 | 4968955 slightlyskeptical
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Well God certianly isn't delivering us from evil. Allowing free will to be snuffed out like this makes the whole God thing pretty ludicrous.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:02 | 4968963 slightlyskeptical
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Well God certianly isn't delivering us from evil. Allowing free will to be snuffed out like this makes the whole God thing pretty ludicrous.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:28 | 4968715 docmac324
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Send in NCIS, they solve everything, in an hour!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:53 | 4968916 Wahooo
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Jack Bauer will fix this.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:33 | 4968734 pocatello
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Hmmm.

 

I suspect that the CIA/USA had something to do with it.  The USA will use this to further their agenda, and maybe try to get the Europeans on board with the USA's sanctions.

 

Of course we will blame the Russians.

 

Onward we march to WW3.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:34 | 4968741 Volkodav
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Ukraine sent missle systems wednesday......http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741173

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:34 | 4968742 robertocarlos
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Twenty-three Americans were on board.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:39 | 4968775 magpie
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They knew what they were doing

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:35 | 4968753 observer007
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Russian Rebells: Jet was shot down by Ukraine

latest:

http://tersee.com/#!q=mh17&t=text

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:38 | 4968773 Seize Mars
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This is obviously fake. Look at shanksville PA. That's what a real plane crash looks like - none if this Phoney looking "wreckage."

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:44 | 4968837 BobTheSlob
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LOL...now that was hilarious! We Westerners wouldn't know authentic if we stumbled upon it. Everything the media spoonfeeds us is censored. The funny part is me thinks these are 100% unsensored!!!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:38 | 4968774 BobTheSlob
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These are pretty good stats for ZH. >50% of the commenters here are either conspiracy ANALysts or are crash site forensic ANALysts, and one Jew hater (yep you Tony) for good measure. Bravo!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:15 | 4969054 WTFx10
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Can you ever write about something else other than your delusions.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:39 | 4968782 nicholforest
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Funny how there is a lot of wreckage plus bodies here (same as the Lockerbie PanAm crash), yet after the 911 crashes in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon, there were no bodies, luggage or wreckage.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:42 | 4968818 BobTheSlob
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Did ya ever think that you were spoon fed the pictures that you were supposed to see? The American retard populace would have been effing OUTRAGED if they showed pics of bodies. I am, however, surprised that the bodies are that intact. It's all in the physics of the "landing".

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:41 | 4968806 robertocarlos
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The red headed bitch with the green necklace is having a bad presser.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:42 | 4968817 Tjeff1
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:43 | 4968821 mandea
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But, but, the leader of the Donetsk republic, proudly announced:

 

Shortly before reports surfaced that a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 had crashed in eastern Ukraine, a separatist leader boasted on social media that his men had shot down an aircraft.

In a post on his VKontakte page, Russia's largest social media site, which has since been taken down, separatist leader Igor Girkin, aka Strelkov, wrote:  "In the vicinity of Torez, we just downed a plane, an AN-26. It is lying somewhere in the Progress Mine. We have issued warnings not to fly in our airspace. We have video confirming. The bird fell on a waste heap. Residential areas were not hit. Civilians were not injured." 

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-separatist-leader-boasts-downing-pl...

 

so, now we know.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:50 | 4968887 Wahooo
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Mistook it for a transport plane.  That's the fog of war. I bet the airlines will rethink their flight paths.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:42 | 4968824 homiegot
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Pootie Poot has some explaining to do.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:47 | 4968866 homiegot
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Someone's got a hurt pussy today.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:43 | 4968827 loveyajimbo
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Strange... this plane didn't "vaporize" down to molecular levels, like the ones in Shanksville and at the pentagon on 9/11...  I guess physics is an ever-changing proposition...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:10 | 4970741 crazybob369
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I know, right? Same general kinetic energy, completely different results. And, by the way, why so much more wreckage at this site, than in the Penn field?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:44 | 4968835 no1wonder
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Dick Cheney quick to point out on CNN: "Not one but TWO Malaysian planes have crashed during Obama's reckless administration." 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:44 | 4968838 Tjeff1
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 DNR tweets about them capturing BUK systems. They have now deleted them, which is quite an indication of their fears.

 https://twitter.com/kram_ua/status/489819473789333505/photo/1

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:47 | 4968864 KCMLO
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My trouble with the narrative is this... whoever fired the missile was trained.  TELAR SAMs are not shoulder-fired "al qaeda-proof" idiot weapons.  The same person that would have that training would also likely know that an aircraft traveling at 33,000 feet within an established air cooridor at 350-400 knots is likely civilian.  Military craft tend to fly lower and faster.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:46 | 4968845 Ryman1075
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:46 | 4968854 homiegot
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It's a coincidence that Obama banned the importation of AK-47s today. Yeah.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:48 | 4968865 Tjeff1
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Over the last couple of months, pro-Russian separatists have been downing Ukrainian military planes with increasing regularity

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/kremlin-backed-insurgents-shoot-down-military-plane-killing-49-says-spokesman-video-351839.html

And mounting casualties on the Ukrainian side. Just earlier today, separatists had shot down another one. All of that seemed to undermine the narrative, propagated by the Kremlin, the separatists were just a ragtag people's militia who didn't stand a chance against a proper, organized military. The constant downing of Ukrainian jets showed that these men were equipped with some pretty serious stuff: you can't really shoot down a jet with a Kalashnikov. 

And, in fact, Russian state media reported in late June indicate the rebels got a hold of a Buk missile system, a Russian/Soviet surface to air system. Rebels are now denying that they shot down the plane, but there are now screenshots floating around the Russian-language internet from what seems to be the Facebook page of Igor Strelkov, a rebel leader in eastern Ukraine, showing plumes of smoke and bragging about shooting down a Ukrainian military Antonov plane shortly before MaH 17 fell. "Don't fly in our skies," he reportedly wrote. If that's true, it would seem rebels downed the jetliner, having mistaken it for a Ukrainian military jet.

This all has to be confirmed, though the separatists did issue statements saying they downed an Antonov this morning and took five of its crew members hostage.

http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1325017

There is also an off-chance that the Ukrainian miliatry did it, having also declared a no-fly zone in the area recently

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:20 | 4969095 layman_please
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informative post. though i don't think it will be very popular among the commentators here

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:47 | 4968870 Pesky Labrador
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Why isn't there one single body still belted to their seat? The bodies look like they were added to scene afterwards since everything else is smoldering practiclly.

.02¢

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:50 | 4968884 BobTheSlob
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What I find hilarious is that the usual conspiracy loons are out and about and they profess the following:
1) The 911 photos of the complete "hoax" called 911 are now the "gospel truth" for what a downed aircraft should look like.

2) This is the latest "false flag" hoax and we know it's a hoax because none of these pics look like the ones from 911.

Keep it up loonies, I'm starting to get amused!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:21 | 4969096 Spastica Rex
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Good God, shut up.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:50 | 4968892 no1wonder
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DONETSK, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council took a decision to close the airspace over the area of the so-called anti-terror operation to commercial flights three days ago, a source in the Russian Federal Air Transport Agency (Rosaviatsia) said on Thursday.

source


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:51 | 4968897 SillyWabbits
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MSM News here.  I have a question:

I don’t want to skew the presumptions here, but as I understand it the Russians in Russia had Russian missiles made in Russia by Russians who live in Russia.  In as much as Russia is Russian and Russian is the language of Russia; and Russia is located next to the Russian border near where Russians live and there have recently been issues between Russia and the US, I am not willing to infer that Russia is involved in any way possible: so here is my question.

Who did this?

But before you answer, my network wants to review Putin’s relationship with the Russian separatists in the Russian speaking sections of Eastern Ukraine where the plane was shot down among Russian speaking separatists seeking Russian assistance.

 

sarc

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:56 | 4968930 rsnoble
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Not trying to be an asshole, really, but my first thought was crispy critters.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:00 | 4968948 JohninMK
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Looks as if the scrap metal team are already at work in one of those photos.

Hope they leave the black boxes behind.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:05 | 4968977 Joe A
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Question is: There is a hotzone so why the fuck was civilian airtraffic then not rerouted?!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:10 | 4969011 Eyeroller
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Main stream media reports that just after the crash FLIGHTS REROUTED, AVOID UKRAINIAN AIRSPACE.

What the HELL???

You mean that they have been routinely flying over a WAR ZONE until now???/

NOW they're going to reroute flights???

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:11 | 4969021 HileTroy
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I was working out when i saw this and I thought to my self , this sounds like some shit they pulled in 1918 but with a boat.  HT

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:13 | 4969043 Inthemix96
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Utter fucking bollocks.

Do a bit research about 'Terminal Velocity' of air craft.  Chances are there wouldnt be no fucking blood left of you at 490 Knots.

This is your Arch Duke Ferdinand of 1914 replayed in 1080HD 2014 style.  Whole bodies just lying there on a plane doing 500mph?

Why aye, pull the other one.

Listen Barry, listen cameron, listen bibi, listen hollande, listen merkel, and listen putin, go fight your own wars you pathalogical cunts, us lot will sit and watch.  Take your kids and your friends mind cos we have fuck all to do with this shit.

Do the cunt yourselves.

You make me sick, sick to the core.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:15 | 4969052 dumbStruck
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From what I've seen in the the media so far the cause of the crash is still uncertain. If it was shot down that pretty well means the fact the plane was Malaysian was but a strange coincidence. If it wasn't shot down ... then maybe it's tied in with the disappearance of flight 370.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:16 | 4969061 Utah_Get_Me_2
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http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28411,9M-MRD-Malaysia-Airlines.php

MH-17 or by its registration # 9M-MRD had its first flight 7/17/1997. 17 years ago today.

This is insane.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:17 | 4969077 lost money
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wow you people amaze me. you should write for hollywood with some of these scenarios you come up with based on little or no knowledge of aircraft, aircrft crahes etc etc. the only thing missing is the alien space ship flown by dick cheney, crewed by cia/mossad black ops and controlled by the joooos.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:26 | 4969939 The Wedge
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Ha Ha, it stings because it's true.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:26 | 4969942 The Wedge
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Ha Ha, it stings because it's true.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:26 | 4969945 The Wedge
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Ha Ha, it stings because it's true.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:27 | 4969949 The Wedge
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Ha Ha, it stings because it's true.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:22 | 4969103 Jack Burton
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I can't say I am surprised that a world shattering news event would take place in Ukraine, just at the moment the Kiev armies are being badly beaten up. Some units are trapped and trying to fight their way out in the south. Yesterday was a disaster for Kiev militarily. So when I woke up to this news it did not shock me. What did shock me is how many innocent people have just died for a political reason. I can't pretend to know how this has happened or even how it will play out. I have suspicions, strong suspicions based on the old idea of looking at a freak event in the light of "Who benefits by it". In the past, this way of looking at events has often pointed in the right direction. No doubt the Pro Rebel and Pro Kiev sides are all over the internet tearing each other to pieces. And Washington now has a pretext for sanctions that yesterday it did not.

I can predict this, as can most ZH readers. Washington claim proof Russia or the Rebels did it, even though neither of them has anything in the world to profit by it. For them it would be a simple act of madness and suicide to have done this on purpose. On Kiev's part, with armies defeated on three fronts, with Russian aid pouring across to the rebels, with rebel forces and heavy weapons tearing the southern Kiev units to pieces, as was expressed by a Ukrainian combat soldier two days ago on Kiev television call in interview from the battle field.

You will not catch me claiming Kiev did this. Nor saying the rebels could not have. I will wait for facts. But this happened on Russia's border, all the radars of Russian military and all the intelligence electronics are aimed at this airspace. Russia's military knows what happened, and most likley the USA also knows proof positive what has happened. Best watch how they both release information and see if we can detect who trys to pin the fault and how they attempt it.

Here is a clue, first thing this morning there was an international call for an immediate cease fire due to this disaster. A cease fire now would allow the entire Ukrainian army to withdraw from their disasterous positions with no more rebel attacks. Saved from their disaster, they could use the cease fire to regroup and resupply and prepare a new larger offensive without making the same mistakes as this offensive. So then, how big of a benefit would Kiev get from the rescue of their armies?? I would say this "Perfect timing for a cease fire when you are bing handed your ass and you have an entire army trapped".

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:27 | 4969142 Jack Burton
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One last thought. Who in the fuck is responsible at that airline for routing a civilian passanger jet over a battle field in which many aircraft have been shot down with missiles? Who on earth could be so fucking criminally insane? Malaysian Airlines? Who in the fuck would get on one of their planes now? Criminal stupidity in both cases of lost airplanes.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:24 | 4969509 post turtle saver
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well Jack, don't bother to get on KLM or British Airways etc. either, because right up to today they had flights scheduled on that route like it was no big deal

as to what happened? a plane flying over eastern Ukraine crashed and there are no known survivors... everything after that is speculation

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:30 | 4969164 mandea
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hey, here are the facts: 

Shortly before reports surfaced that a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 had crashed in eastern Ukraine, a separatist leader boasted on social media that his men had shot down an aircraft.

In a post on his VKontakte page, Russia's largest social media site, which has since been taken down, separatist leader Igor Girkin, aka Strelkov, wrote:  "In the vicinity of Torez, we just downed a plane, an AN-26. It is lying somewhere in the Progress Mine. We have issued warnings not to fly in our airspace. We have video confirming. The bird fell on a waste heap. Residential areas were not hit. Civilians were not injured." 

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-separatist-leader-boasts-downing-pl...

 

now, please move on.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:37 | 4969217 Peak Finance
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Don't feel badly, The only injuries were some stubbed toes and maybe some eyeliner poked accidentily into the eyes of the crisis actors during make-up. 

 

Or is it normal for bodies to be completely intact after falling 33,000 feet at terminal velocity? 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:39 | 4969222 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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waaaaaay more debris than they found from "Flight 93". Just sayin.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:52 | 4969309 Jack Burton
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Just checking the battle field over the last 24 hours. Kiev's forces continue to suffer a huge defeat. Just because the media refuses to report it does not mean hundreds of people on the ground have not been reporting the battles. Kiev has used it's forces very badly. So badly that Russia is taking in wounded Kiev fighters in the Rostov hospitals. 16 yesterday alone. As for their armored units, in the south they have be so badly beaten up, it will take weeks to know the numbers.

This Airliner incident is awful enough to get Kiev the cease fire it needs to save thousands of troops from death or capture. That is why I do suspect Kiev of anything at this point. I will not say they did it, unlike Washington and the State Department who will lie for political reasons. I will wait for facts.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:39 | 4970273 dynomutt
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ATTENTION INVESTIGATORS:

 

LOOK FOR FREEZER-BURN!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:38 | 4970562 boeing747
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Lower national flag first then point finger, quick.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:51 | 4970632 skidsmango1
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umm...bullshit.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:57 | 4971300 Youri Carma
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The Ukranian military said they lost an AN26 in the same area, while the rebels were found to have fired two rockets. The rockets were fired from the BukM1 AA system. The first hit the AN26, while the second went hunting for a new target, which happened to be the Malaysian airliner.

The rebel leader claimed on his twitter account, even showing pics of what turned out to be the downed civilian airliner, of what he thought was the Ukranian transport plane. He later took down this tweet (for Anyone who speaks Russian) once he realized he was showing the downed Malaysian jet:

http://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10514527_657436887685682_23463598716186245_n.jpg

The BukM1?s were not setup for IFF. The rebels had them setup to hunt any target in range.

I hope AJ doesn’t try to twist this into some “conspiracy false flag attack” for the US to get involved, because that’s not the case at all. This is a case of some idiots firing a weapons system they had no idea how to operate, at a Ukranian transport plane, that inadvertently also destroyed a civilian plane in the process.

FROM: Due_Process_NonNegotiable http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=260259.0

Yeah, I concur not a little Langley mistake like I suggested earlier.

Maybe the weapon functioned a bit better than those Cossacks expected for or indeed a little Cossack setup mistake “any target in range”.

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