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Here Is The Real-Time Flight Path Of The Shot Down Malaysian Airlines Flight MH 17

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Update: reportedly Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that plane "Kuala Lumpur -Amsterdam" went off the radar in Donetsk oblast, possibly shot down"

First it was MH-370. Now, it appears tragedy has struck again, this time on Malaysian Airlines flight MH-17, on route from Amsteram to Kuala Lumpur, which disappeared from radar moments ago and was reportedly shot down over Ukraine. While there is nothing yet officially confirmed by the carrier, the radar tracked path of the airplane is shown below.


And from a second source:


Last reported position log was at 1:20 pm UTC:


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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:26 | 4967577 ENTP
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BTFD.  Rouge Airline Pilots stealing aircraft is bullish, think about the new orders!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:28 | 4967600 Pladizow
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Boy I wonder what will deliver the next false flag?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:31 | 4967632 RevRex
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Gawd dam Poppie Busch

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:36 | 4967675 Divided States ...
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No wonder Russia said it wasnt them....betcha it was probably planned by Israel.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:39 | 4967696 Mesquite
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Don't forget: 777 can be remote controlled...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:42 | 4967729 Jaspergers
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magic number 7? 3 days early...


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:44 | 4967758 A Nanny Moose
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Paging Congressman McDonald. Please report to the departure gate for KAL007

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:48 | 4967796 eclectic syncretist
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False flag???

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:00 | 4967915 Lewshine
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Probably orchestrated by Obami in order to get all the nations who hate us, back on our side against the Putinites. Expect a 3:30 rally in SPX - AND a Monster monkee hammering of precious metals in 3...2....1

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:03 | 4967944 whotookmyalias
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Will this be the black swan?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:07 | 4967981 Save_America1st
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Sure hope they don't use it as another Arch Duke Ferdinand-type moment.  But I have a very bad feeling about this.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:10 | 4968001 THX 1178
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How can a gaggle of ragtag rebels shoot down an airliner at 33,000 feet? Methinks there are shenannigans afoot...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:11 | 4968024 Save_America1st
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heat seeking, laser-guided missiles, right?  Aren't they pretty much point and shoot?  Maybe it was a lucky shot, but missiles these days are light years better than even a couple decades ago. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:19 | 4968111 Citxmech
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Rumor is that is was a Russian-made BUK mobile surface to air missile system:

That would do the job handily.  Works up to 80k'. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:25 | 4968174 COSMOS
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Just like the NSA can take over your Microsoft computer,

The CIA can remotely take over a Boeing plane.

LOL in yahoo news they are like its not unlike the Russians to shoot a passenger jet, but they dont mention the USA shooting down the Iran passenger jet.

Dude the double standards are suffocating.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:37 | 4968287 aardvarkk
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The fact that there are dirty scumbags in the US government/military in no way mitigates the fact that there are dirty scumbags in the Russian government/military.  I've stopped rooting for or even railing against any particular team.  I hate the *game*.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:39 | 4968311 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Jesus... false flag much? Looks like peak false flag...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:08 | 4970148 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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It makes one wonder what the heck is happening to the world lately.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:32 | 4970849 Squid-puppets a...
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it seems the perfect orchestration to cause an escalation compelling the states of europe to stop deliberating about the 'shift to the east' and get back in lockstep with america

but theres more at stake than 250 lives and a civvy aircraft. America may be disappointed at where the chips fall

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:44 | 4968352 Overfed
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The Russians/Ukraine separatists gain absolutely nothing by shooting down that plane. What is up for debate is what NATO/US/IMF stand to gain. The war they've been chomping at the bit to have?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:44 | 4968359 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Yes... Cui bono.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:52 | 4968426 Cui Bono
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What? Don't blame me, I didn't do it..... ooh wait...

Are you sayin' this tail wag was brought to you by Haliburton?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:07 | 4968990 Slave
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Looks like MH370 finally crashed.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:39 | 4969224 NoPantsSpongeBob
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:02 | 4969344 Lore
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This has a real 911-style 'false flag' stink to it.  Minutes after the event, Associated Press already has a squib pushing the Russian rocket narrative.  Absolutley no talk whatsoever about the possibility that it could have been a bomb planted in Amsterdam. Oh no!  "Russian rocket, Russian rocket, Russian rocket..."

Official: Malaysian Plane Shot Down Over Ukraine

Putin's plane was following a short distance behind, on his way home from the big BRICS summit.  The psychopaths are sending another message that they don't like "de-dollarization."  Maybe they actually intended to murder him, and hit the other plane with 300 people aboard instead.  Oh well.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:04 | 4969389 COSMOS
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Ok this story if funny

story says that 23 americans were on board...

"An aide quoted by Interfax said the total number of dead in the crash was more than 300 and includes 23 U.S. citizens. An Associated Press reporter at the scene reported seeing at least 22 bodies."

Would not surprise me if all those 22 dead that are found are ALL AMERICANS

So the UKES army is in a cauldron ready to be wiped out and 23 Americans just happen to die at ground zero of the Operation...

Very Fishy...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:20 | 4969496 Herd Redirectio...
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Got to love the #23.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:24 | 4969915 PhilB
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Very Fishy Indeed!!

I know something must be afoot, cause I swear I also have encountered that odd number a few times recently. Very odd indeed! It also hapends to be the 9Th Prime number, and well Sept 11 was the 9th Month of the year!. It is also the sum of 3 consecutives odd numbers 5, 7 and 11, well there is that number 11 from Sept 11, so QED.



Sat, 07/19/2014 - 22:52 | 4978878 Lore
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Oh, stop it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:25 | 4969526 giggler321
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They do say where you sit is important

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:45 | 4969269 Lost Word
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This link suggests the airliner was shot down by an Israeli F-15 air to air missile,

the Israeli F-15 operating out of Azerbijan in central Asia.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:15 | 4969849 Divine
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Did Soros & Buffet short malaysian airlines prior to these incidents? /sarc


I quess it's anyone's game at the moment: Russia knows everyone will suspect USA/mossad false flag and this might trigger major shitstorm for USA, USA knows they can promote their anti russian agenda blaming (pro) russian forces, Israel uses the tragedy to invade Gaza as media is focused elsewhere or maybe Separatists just shooted some black tar heroin and tought the plane was stealth bomber?


There are so many forces and motives in play here it's hard to valuate reliability of any information about the incident. There are billionaire oligarch private forces in Ukraine, One could only speculate on their real agenda.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:07 | 4970410 New_Meat
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Duuuuude, u b truly lost-ya gotta' get on the GW thangie and see how the various manipulation regimes work.

Get your head out of your ass, or b) get a plasectomie.

Like any foriegn a/c could fly about, even with ...

- Ned

{really, get some help with that thang}

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:47 | 4970604 Sirius Wonderblast
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If Putins jet was, as reported/suggested in that airspace just before (honestly, I'd be a bit surpised if he was overflying that area right now,but...) then "they" might have wanted to off him, or might just have wanted to put the frighteners on him.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:53 | 4969694 Marco
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They are not a disciplined force if they really shot down the Antanov at 21K feet as they claimed they did then I think the odds are pretty good they shot down this plane as well ... not because they intended to, but because they made a mistake.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:00 | 4969717 Lost Word
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The rebels in Ukraine had earlier claimed to have shot down a Ukrainian transport jet,

then the rebels later denied that earlier claim after the reports of the Malaysian airliner crash.


So perhaps the airliner shoot down was a mistake committed by the rebels.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:32 | 4969968 Paveway IV
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Could be, Lost Word.

But consider the sloppy intelligence community attempts at social media management in past false-flags: the perps miraculously acquire and release a credible-sounding secret insider leak from an intelligence agency to steer the discussion. Case in point: Mossad's unusually quick leak of an intercepted Syrian army officer phone conversatioin 'admitting' they used chemical weapons in East Ghouta. 

For MH-17, we have a supposed SBU (Ukrainian Secret Service) released conversation with rebels 'admitting' they accidentally shot down the plane. It doesn't matter if it's proven fake weeks from now (just like the Mossad-doctored 'leaked' Syrian intel) . The point is to steer the social media conversation often and early, so people suspect Russia and/or pro-Russian rebels were responsible. 

How long do you think it will be before CNN starts crying for the U.S. to attack Russia over this fake conversation:


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:23 | 4969893 SWRichmond
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The Russians/Ukraine separatists gain absolutely nothing by shooting down that plane. What is up for debate is what NATO/US/IMF stand to gain. The war they've been chomping at the bit to have?

+1.  I never swallow the presented information as "fact", instead always asking myself: "Cui Bono?"  This applies especially to "Casus Belli".

The MSM / political class could tell me the fucking sky was blue and I would walk outside and look.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:39 | 4968305 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:22 | 4969110 Antifaschistische
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Can the CIA remotely control a Ukranian/Rebel Surface to Air Missle?   Not that we sent any operatives into Eastern Ukraine...of course.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:32 | 4969173 Thought Processor
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Or perhaps hack the flight tag so that the radar operator thinks it's a real threat.  Falsely creating target bait.


This could have been done a thousand different ways.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:09 | 4970154 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:19 | 4968130 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Paging Franz Ferdinand........ Paging Franz Ferdinand....... your death was forgotten with the resultant carnage.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:24 | 4968167 Taterboy
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MSNBC will report that Sarah Palin was seen Moose hunting in the area.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:24 | 4968173 KnightTakesKing
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At 33,000 feet? No way this is from a shoulder-fired missle...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:37 | 4968289 Real Estate Geek
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They fucked up the false flag.  It would have been 'better' if it went down closer to eastern Ukraine.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:43 | 4968349 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Russia may have been able to intercept the missile in Eastern Ukraine. The details of false flags are irrelevant anyway...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:57 | 4968473 Againstthelie
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:56 | 4968936 angel_of_joy
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THAT is the question nobody is asking ! Who/Why clears a passangers aircraft to fly over a war zone, where other aircrafts have been downed just days before ?

Don't know who shot the missile, but it's pretty clear to me who is in charge of commercial air traffic. Hint: it's not "the terrorists"...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:10 | 4974509 mkkby
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Where are the dancing Israelis partying this time?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:46 | 4968370 Recognizer
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Thanks for the link, I was not familiar with that little footnote of history.  Here's another historical figure you may not have heard of:

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:07 | 4968557 Terminus C
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Now that was just plain funny.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:17 | 4968640 COSMOS
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Yo recognizer I think his post was appropriate.  You have seen how clueless most Americans are even with US History LOL.  You gotta lead the blind sometimes.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:43 | 4969246 _disengage_
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Yeah, those OTHER Americans are so dumb, they don't even know what caused WW1...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:26 | 4969536 Herd Redirectio...
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They also wanted to bust up the Ottoman Empire and split it between themselves, once and for all.  The Ottoman Empire was already a vassal of the French and English, since before the time of the Crimean War, so some 70 years earlier.

Kind of like a creditor deciding interest payments and delays on payment of principal are not enough any more, and just start smashing things and grabbing collateral.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:46 | 4969660 COSMOS
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You may be closer to the truth than you realize old man.  A divided Turkey would serve the interests of the USA and Israel.  Who can then keep Israel from those huge gas and oil fields if Turkey is gone hmmmm

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:09 | 4970158 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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The American educational system is something of a tragedy to first world standards.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:14 | 4969435 zerocash
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It's more a Lusitania moment. Americans die onboard a foreign vessel which was shot down by a foreign power.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:19 | 4968128 Luckhasit
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Please, why can't they leave me and gold out of this?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:42 | 4968336 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Will you dumb-asses get off Obama already. He's a fucking puppet, just like the dozen presidents before him.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:48 | 4968395 fightthepower
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He has free will, no?  Could he not speak out against what is happening if he were so inclined?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:53 | 4968441 Citxmech
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As much free will as John and Robert Kennedy.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:01 | 4968952 Lost Word
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And MLK Jr.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:11 | 4968571 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Think about it. He is guaranteed to have his ass-kissed for the rest of his life if he says nothing (that is, if everything goes as planned). That's assuming he knows anything. Otherwise, he gets a bullet in the head by a "lone" gunman. What would you do?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:53 | 4968912 Major Major Major
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Play a round of golf, or two, or...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:22 | 4969904 Luckhasit
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Thank you, nice to know someone knows how the game is played.

I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:22 | 4969907 Luckhasit
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Thank you, nice to know someone knows how the game is played.

I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:56 | 4968932 ThirteenthFloor
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power-> Congress has freewill too and just one person in the HOR could stand up and file impeachment, but alas we are stuck in the R vs. D. paradigm, where D's use Bush as punching bag and R's use Obama as punching bag, while the constitution is destroyed by both, as the single colossal sign something is seriously wrong and common cause the masses could unite behind.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:02 | 4968483 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Never did anyone call Obama a puppet until his direct actions started to negatively impact the those who had been his most ardent supporters. Now those same voters who finally see him as the unskilled, inept, dishonest honest man child that we who were called racist for not trusting him, seek to justify their choice say he is a puppet. Progressives are not puppets. They destroy in order to gain power.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:19 | 4968648 DaveyJones
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history, money and crime know no race

except the kind with the finish line

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:13 | 4968605 ThirteenthFloor
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Gaius > Agree ++

If the masses continue to fall into the us vs. them paradigm and do not judge leaders for their real actions, discover the truth, the NWO wins. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:34 | 4969185 AnAnonymous
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He's a fucking puppet.

No, he isnt. He is a servant to WeThePeople aka the 'american' middle class.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:18 | 4969484 Lore
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You forgot the "/sarc."

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:34 | 4969586 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Right- JFK, Nixon and Reagan all tried to cut the strings and we know what happened to them.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:49 | 4969678 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Right- JFK, Nixon and Reagan all tried to cut the strings and we know what happened to them.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:04 | 4969765 Omen IV
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PUPPET YES, but much much worse by any measure

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:47 | 4970607 Everybodys All ...
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Obama is a coward at best who is as we speak going on two DNC fund raisers.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:27 | 4970828 WhackoWarner
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I am thinking you may be right.  What is it called? Occam's Razor?  Dumb shites in Ukraine shooting up?  "I got your back....NATO".   I think the main analysis here has to go to "Where was Putin's plane?"

Now really I think he flies with decoys.  And likely has unannounced flight plans.  But I would like to know where Putin's plane and decoys were.  Just saying I trust nobody.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:48 | 4967963 fleur de lis
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During a 1983 Crossfire TV debate Larry McDonald pummeled his NWO opponent. He was well aware of globalist plans and exposed them at every opportunity. A few months later he was aboard the KAL007 that "accidentally" wanderered into Soviet airspace and "inexplicably" did not respond to the Soviet fighter pilots. Hmmmmmm.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:32 | 4969172 ThirteenthFloor
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Larry McDonald rocked...Ron Paul notes in this speech, Larry McDonald advised him to join whatever party could win, "it is the man not the party".

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:02 | 4967935 a growing concern
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I'm no numerologist, but damn. Triple 7 with a 7 in the flight number shot down on 7/17? I don't know what that means, but I'm sure some creepy dude in an underground lair somewhere is pretty pleased with himself.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:06 | 4967969 DetectiveStern
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The day after sactions. The same airline losing a plane in very suspicious circumstances. This just doesn't ring right at all to me.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:18 | 4968114 Tall Tom
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It will be found out to be the same Jet as MH370.


False Flag staged by Langley.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:29 | 4969958 Hapa
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must be payback for indicting Bush in the Malaysian courts.  The neocons have a long memory

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:23 | 4968158 Tall Tom
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It was also designated as MH17...On 7-17...a Boeing 777, 3 Days before 7-20 and it may be the same jet as MH370...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:39 | 4968743 Cacete de Ouro
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This is another PSYOP/MISO.

Similar to MH370 actually 'going missing' on March 7th (in most time zones), which is 03/7 ~ 370

MH17 then crashes/shot down on 17th July

MH17 was exactly 17 years old today and it had it's first flight on 17th July 1997

See here for age and first flight,9M-MRD-Mal...

Also a 777 crashing on
July 2014 = 7, (2+0+1+4=7) = 77 = 7/7

Plane Reg Number 9M-MRD. (MuRDer)

Also, TWA800 flight shot down near New York on 17th July 1996

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:43 | 4968828 COSMOS
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DANG dudes you're killing 7 as my lucky number, I guess I will have to take up 13 as the lucky one now.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:51 | 4968901 Eternal Complainer
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MH370 provided great cover for the gangster banking cartel silver squad

Nice timeline, just like the Osama/silver smash

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:48 | 4969290 Chief KnocAHoma
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Dude! Take your meds!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:01 | 4970383 Rusty Shorts
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NTSB Investigators claim TWA Flight 800 Report falsified by FBI

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:33 | 4968241 BLOTTO
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Interesting video of Christine Lagarde giving a speech recently...and referencing the number 7 and its significance.


The idea she even mentions '7' and 'numerology' in a speech to business/high ranking people - is bizarre.


Info for consideration.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:00 | 4968509 tony wilson
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leather face returns

IMF Christine Lagarde

tells us of the power of the number 7

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:02 | 4968495 agNau
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Recall she said she jumped up a little early.

* G-20 meeting Sydney 7/19

Wollongong airport event.

** Today is the Seventeenth.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:25 | 4968691 TheInfoman
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Did you decode Christine Lagarde again?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:19 | 4969889 Cap Matifou
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Or rather all Boeings, since decades

German Secretary of Defence Andreas Von Buelow made the following statement:
"There is also the theory of one British flight engineer: according to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says, this technique was abused in this case..."

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:51 | 4967819 CH1
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betcha it was probably planned by Israel.

Sure, they're the cause of near-sightedness too! And scurvy, and chicken pox!

Obsession is not good for you... or anyone near you. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:53 | 4967850 oddjob
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That explains them stealing eyeballs from kidnapped palestinian children.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:16 | 4968074 Mesquite
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Or other organs...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:59 | 4967908 90's Child
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I'm gonna go with Ukraine targeted them.

Considering rebels don't have access to STA missiles that can reach 33K FT (6.25) at least not publicly and I doubt Russia gave them S-400's as well.

Flight 800 bitchez.

Keep stackin.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:38 | 4968226 HardAssets
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Having little info, I won't come to any conclusions.  That said, your comment makes more sense than most of them here - that is, an air defense type missile. (IF FORCED to make a guess at this point - it would be that someone in Ukraine screwed up. How would they benefit from shooting down a civilian airliner ?)

People seem to jump to conclusions with no supporting evidence. We don't Really know if there was a plane, if it went down, or if it was shot down - and if so, by whom. If some government type provides 'evidence', can we trust it ?  (Remember Colin Powell and his claims ?)

Can you trust any of the 'news' today ?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:30 | 4968235 Lost Word
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Why would Ukraine target a jet coming from the West?

More logical the Russians would shoot down a jet coming from the West.

Unless Ukraine tried a False Flag to blame Russia?

Purpose? To involve NATO in the Ukraine war?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:14 | 4968594 Omen IV
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The Ukrainian miitary have these weapons capable of such a target - they have shown to be cowboys firing indiscriminately at various civilian targets - the flight path has been avoided by most pilots going east and west - so the Ukrainians thought it was a Russian plane and fired without verification

a lot of pressure on these guys in the field for material  events to be given to the americans

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:23 | 4968161 Anusocracy
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If not an accidental shootdown, it was probably done by the US, the Uke Nazis, or both.

They, and only they, stand to benefit.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:08 | 4968565 Dublinmick
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I am a victim, oh lawd I am a victim

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:01 | 4967922 J S Bach
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If it was Flight 666, then you'd know it was Israel.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:06 | 4967970 mc888
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Sorry, it's taken. Flight 666 is Ed Force One.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:25 | 4969932 Divine
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They also had a Finnair flight to Helsinki on friday the 13th with flight number 666 . 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:49 | 4968404 Lewshine
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Dang! Look how fast the Fed is fixing stocks and crushing the rally in precious metals!! Told ya, nothing is more important to your perceptions than US equities continuing this 5 year rally, AND precious metals value being stolen on a daily basis.


Jus part of the plan

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:45 | 4969265 paddyirishman
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44 downvotes the hasbara trolls are in overdrive these days!!!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:31 | 4967641 BaBaBouy
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The Paper GOLD SHORTING Machines Have Just Gone "FULL THROTTLE" !!!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:34 | 4967663 max2205
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FRAGed agai

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:37 | 4967674 surfsup
surfsup's picture   Move along.. nothing to see here... 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:42 | 4967712 surfsup
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Civil Case 1:08-1600 (RMC) FIELD MCCONNELL v. ALPA Filed in September, 2008.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:18 | 4968106 MykeTheVet
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The Daily Paul....they have an awesome financial section and often link from ZH. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:39 | 4967689 NotApplicable
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Prices are climbing for both gold & silver, at the moment, though.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:51 | 4967820 chunga
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We're getting cramped for space but one more bean run wouldn't hurt.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:13 | 4968037 DaddyO
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This education series may be in order, huh?


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:17 | 4968089 chunga
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:35 | 4967659 Ozy_mandias
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MH370 has fulfilled its original purpose after all. Start a war

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:47 | 4967792 docmac324
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If you do not suceed the first time, try, try again?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:35 | 4967665 curbjob
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Who'd have guessed; an aluminum swan ?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:39 | 4967698 Ozy_mandias
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MH370 has fulfilled its original purpose after all. To start a war

No airline in the world would put their flight path through that area. 

People are actually expected to believe this shit

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:56 | 4967880 Ratscam
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bullshit! all airlines are doing it.
google international flight path map

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:54 | 4968386 Davalicious
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Right. It wasn't considered risky because the man portable missiles the Ukranian separatists have don't have the range. They weren't thought to have other systems. If they captured some, who would have the training to get a hit (if the equipment worked at all?)

This was either

a) an accident - they do happen

b) a bomb - Is-off-the-rails / Uncle sam (same thing)

c) The Ukranian Kosher government - missile from vehicle or plane will do the job

d) The Russians sneaked a jet in, shot it down, then sneaked out - to throw a spanner in the works

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:10 | 4968577 cougar_w
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I'm pretty sure our ground-based phased-array radars working 24/7 in the region can tell you where a missile came from, how long it flew and along what path, what was the mass of the missile, and from the speed and mass what was the model, and the exact debris field.

Someone (or a large group of someones) in the Pentagon knows the exact story -- knew it within 60 seconds of it happening --  and if that story does not look good for Putin and his buds in east Ukraine then that story will be all over the headlines tomorrow morning.

If you hear nothing over a few days, you have reason to suspect it was not Putin. In which case it could be just about any of a dozen really twisted scenarios. Nor would I rule out a terrorist act having nothing to do with the situation in Ukraine

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:36 | 4970549 WhackoWarner
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Yes well pretty good reasoning except it all depends on the integrity of data coming from USA sources.  Now me I question the validity of that. Why?  Proven in the past. I do not trust any US gov. source for anything, anywhere, anytime.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:11 | 4968017 Lewshine
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Just keep in mind, The US economy IS THE US STOCK MARKET...Or has been made as such. Therefore, a loss in equity value would be seen as weakness in the US economy. And that doesn't fly on any level based on what we've seen in the last 5.5 years.

The Fed will provoke buying in stocks and will destroy this move in precious metals very shortly!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:35 | 4968267 Magnix
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You know what gives you creeps? Malaysian plane MH-17 on July 17th (today) Boeing 777 (model of the plane), crashed at 5:17 (17:17) local time. Similar to 9/11 creeps.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:51 | 4969684 Wile-E-Coyote
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Just read the target might have been Putin's plane, it followed a similar flight plan to the Malaysian plane.

I do hope this is not true, because if it is....................................................

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:53 | 4970321 WhackoWarner
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"They're Pinky and the Brain. They're Pinky and the Brain.  One is a genius and the other is insane"

From Animaniacs Pinky and the Brain who set out every night to rule the world. 2 lab rats.

Now go figure who is who.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:28 | 4967611 BaBaBouy
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The Paper GOLD SHORTING Machines Have Just Gone "FULL THROTTLE" !!!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:30 | 4967623 Thought Processor
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This will be blamed on Russia.


So predictable.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:41 | 4967718 RevRex
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So who do you blame it on, the Jews?



Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:52 | 4967831 CH1
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So who do you blame it on, the Jews?

Of course. From the ZeroHedge Nazi trolls, I would expect no less!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:19 | 4968117 Kinskian
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Geraldo Riveraberg on FOX just stated that Putin has the blood of these innocent passengers on his hands. You people do love to stir the shit. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:17 | 4970457 WhackoWarner
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Yes and yes again.  Shite.  But you know the US public education system graduates idiots.  What do you expect. ONLY people in USA who get any kind of education based on fact?  Offshore.  CNN is all about hairdos and cleavage.  Macho idiots.  And frigging Wolf Blitsfuck?

They are fed a script. They have no minds that think.  BUT they do have paychecks that entitle them to pontificate the party line. Push is coming to shove here.  Nobody with a brain will send their sons to die for this latest  "Franz Ferdinand" garbage.

Yeah Israel invades. Yeah we blow up airlines. Yeah we have CIA trained "terrorists".  Yeah we spy on every move everywhere. Yeah we monitor. Yeah we manipulate.




Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:24 | 4968151 what's that smell
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shouldn't you two be posting somewhere about palestinians as devils and israelis as poor innocent peace loving angels?

you shame your ashkenazi ancestors.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 13:08 | 4968566 booboo
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Jews or Judeans? There are none of the later, Sammy Davis Jr became a jew. Other then that so called "Jews" by their very nature are a clannish tribe of heathen gypsy's and they do a fine by their own actions they don't need any help by anyone in ruining their reputation. They would be as recognizable as Irish asphalt and home repair gypsy's if everyone would just stop talking about them but they feed off the strife and therefore grow in power. Scamming little old Christian widows out of their money because they are continually promoted as Gods chosen brand and "Israel must be protected" with walls of fiat, yes, the path to heaven is not by Grace but by preserving a swath of sand and rock with force which sounds a lot like "works" to me. I think a common biblical reference for them was "stiff necked and uncircumcised in the heart" nothing much has changed.
So where were we, oh yes, the plane.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:48 | 4967737 earleflorida
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how the hell can it possibly be blamed on Russia when Ukraine's sovereign airspace has been violated in the west

oh, btw i down'd you, but you got a 4/1 to my vote


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:53 | 4967849 Thought Processor
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They are already blaming it on the 'Rebels' which is the same as blaming it on Russia.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:13 | 4968050 LawsofPhysics
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Rebels in the western part of the country?  Someone square that circle for me.


All according to plan, rally on.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:19 | 4968124 RevRex
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So how did the wreckage get to the Eastern Ukraine, Einstein?



This should be good.......

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:27 | 4970508 WhackoWarner
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SO? What do you expect?  That is the design of this.  Either this was a complete fuck up by Ukraine (who moved in the hardware). and are documented as being "untrained".  So an "oopsies we fucked up"...

or it is far more than that,

Rebels had no hardware reaching to that height.  Unless Cheney was on-site maybe with a launcher and hunting for "deer" and made some boo boo.

Shite the world is getting sick of this.  Solve my questions please CNN and Fox.  Please help me think the truth CIA.  What bothers me is that Canada keeps kissing butt to this.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:18 | 4968101 RevRex
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So it happened in Western Ukraine, but the wreckage is in eastern Ukraine?



Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:37 | 4968295 Lost Word
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The Large Jet was heading toward Russia.

Only logical that Russian defenses shot at the Large Jet?

Did Russia wrongly think it was a NATO surveilance jet or a NATO bomber?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:58 | 4967891 Squid Viscous
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Archduke Ferdinand moment, let's get ready to RUUUUMBLE !

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:41 | 4967723 Save_America1st
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paper gold and paper silver are rocketing higher just since this news broke.  I'm thinking this news is the cause of PM's jumping since around 11:20am or so.  This issue could ignite the war with Russia.

Hope it doesn't become an Arch Duke Ferdinand-type moment in history. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:00 | 4967910 tempo
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Don't give big guns to idiots!!

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