Kiev Reports Ukraine Warplane Was Shot Down By A Russian Fighter Jet

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While most news coming out of Ukraine regarding the ongoing civil war are merely propaganda designed to make Russia look bad, and hence irrelevant (and vice versa from Russia of course - the only news that matters re: Ukraine is i) what happens with gas deliveries to Europe via Ukraine and ii) the fate of the South Stream pipeline; the rest is mostly noise), it is perhaps a testament to how the global media will observe Russia's response to the latest US sanctions, and hardly improve risk appetite, that as Reuters reports a Russian jet shot down a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter plane that was on military operations over the east of Ukraine.

While we have yet to receive the official Kremlin denial of this major escalation in hostilities between the two countries, and one which would otherwise be grounds for war by Ukraine and thus essentially denies the report (since Ukraine did not declare war on Russia for rather obvious reasons), here are the alleged details:

It was the strongest Ukrainian allegation to date of direct Russian military involvement in the conflict. Russia's defence ministry declined to comment on the report.

 

The plane was brought down on Wednesday night by a rocket strike and the pilot safely ejected, Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for Ukraine's national Defence and Security Council, told journalists.

 

It was the third reported incident this week in which a Ukrainian plane has been hit by a missile.

 

Kiev has said that an An-26 military transporter was brought down last Monday probably by a missile fired from Russia, either from the air or from the ground. Two out of the eight people on board that plane were killed, the Ukrainian military said.

 

On Wednesday, another SU-25 was hit by a rebel missile but the pilot brought the plane down successfully with relatively slight damage. Kiev did not allege Russian involvement in that case.

Cue stern Russian denial in 5... 4... 3... even as Kiev continues to quietly syphon off transiting gas destined for Europe. And speaking of Russian gas heading toward Germany, keep a close eye on it - it may start to fluctuate in the near future.

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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:49 | 4966573 Headbanger
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Translation:  FUCK YOU BARRY!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:57 | 4966590 kliguy38
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No......fuck us all... Release the Kracken

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:02 | 4966599 Latina Lover
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Kiev lies all the time, trying to draw NATO and Europe into a war with Russia. 

War is good for defense contractors, banksters and  the assorted Oligarch/mafia criminals currently controlling the Ukraine on behalf of Washington.

War is bad for the thousand of soldiers killed on both sides, the hundreds of thousands displaced by the Kievs attacks on civilians, and the millions of Ukrainians who will suffer through deep economic calamity, so that the IMF insiders can steal their assets at pennies on the dollar. 

 

Fuck you USSA! Fuck you EUSSA!

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:04 | 4966617 Ghordius
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I agree that Kiev lies. often. so do Moscow, Washington, Tel Aviv, several european capitals, etc.

yet... you also make lots of assertions. unbacked assertions

meanwhile most of Europe does not want a war. and it's a pity that Poland and the Baltic Nations are blocking the nomination of the Italian Foreign Minister to that EU Commission FM post on the grounds that she, her party, her PM and Italy in general are too friendly towards Moscow

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:06 | 4966619 ilion
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Obama, that sick fuck, is smiling when he reads these news. That's exactly what he wants to see.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:07 | 4966624 NoDebt
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Somewhere there's an oligarch pushing on a button labeled "war" and screaming out loud "Jezz, how many time do I have to push this freaking thing before I get my war?"

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:13 | 4966639 Ghordius
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apt image. only it's a dozen dozens oligarchs, and they scream at lobbyists, which then scream at their bought politicians, which then scream... even at generals who think that they have more than enough tanks for the next three wars. that button is lobbyism gone berserk

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:19 | 4966643 jbvtme
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sounds like a game of chicken kiev?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:42 | 4966746 Ghordius
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still blaming Bush The Elder? does anybody remember the original Chicken Kiev reference?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:17 | 4966648 Latina Lover
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Ghordius, You claim I make lots of assertions, unbacked assertions.  So what are they?

That banksters and Defence companies are opposed to war? That Kiev does not want intervention by the USSA against Russia?  Please elucidate.

Most of Europe does not want war but the last time I checked, the EU President is  appointed in secret, and MEPs cannot propose policy, nor can they block it.  The EU commission is pushing sanctions, an ACT of WAR against Russia.

Maybe you are OK with sending your children and grandchildren to fight another war for the MIC.  I am not.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:35 | 4966713 Ghordius
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Latina Lover, you are plastering ZH with news of victories against the "Ukies". do I really have to provide the links?

which banksters? who's defence companies? China's? I can elucidate a lot, though what I'm missing is your elucidations and sources

the "EU President" is not a guy that has executive powers, veto powers, chief-of-military powers, a "nuclear football" etc. etc. like the US Prez. it's more a kind of secretary chairing the EU Council and getting orders from the Heads of National Governments like the German Chancellor Merkel and the British PM Cameron, who sit there. so who the heck cares how they choose him? He's their secretary (with a bombastic-sounding title)

Yes, the EU Parliament is not allowed to propose anything. That's because the National Parliaments are above it. They choose their Prime Ministers, and they tell the Commission what they want, who then drafts, get's the Council's approval and goes to the EU Parliament to trash it out. What do you want, a United States of Europe? No, thanks. We prefer to keep our members... sovereign. At most, we are on the cusp of a Confederation. Look up the term, it's interesting

Yes, we are under immense American pressure to impose sanctions on Russia. And one sector of the EU, i.e. Poland and the Baltic Nations, together with the UK are pushing, too

No, sanctions are not acts of war. I wish it was so, but the British Empire enforced the view that they aren't, and the US continued this policy

No, I don't wish anybody to send their blood to be spilled for the profit of weapon dealers, or similar base motives

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:30 | 4966982 Latina Lover
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Ghordius, I appreciate your thoughtful commentary.

I beg to differ, however, when you state that sanctions are not acts of war.  Frankly, I don't care what the British Empire thinks, they are acts of aggression against other sovereign states.  We can get into diplomatic nuances over semantics but from the Russian perspective, they are perceived as threats against their state.

See  http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/sanctions-war-ron-paul-769/   

 

This is a mistake on the part of the US, and Europe is wise to avoid antagonising an important trading partner and critical energy supplier. The Polish and Baltics are whores, bought and paid by the US state department.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:43 | 4967052 Reptil
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It seems they're desperate of pulling Russia into the war.
Here's more accusations: http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/07/16/rockets-fired-from-russia-into-ukr...

Until they show proof, it's just propaganda. The burden of proof is with the accuser, not the accused.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:08 | 4966628 junction
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Putin is just looking for an excuse to send in Russian tank columns in eastern Ukraine.  If any of those ultra-nationalists (read mercenaries) on the Kiev payroll cross the Russian border, Russia will respond with full force.  Some in the the New World Order want World War Three and the Ukraine is the preferred powderkeg these days.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:26 | 4966680 Johnny Moscow
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He's already had more than enough excuses to go in there so I think at this point Russia and just happy to have Crimea back (yep, back bc it was part of Russia for a long time). Thousands of ethnic Russians are fleeing back to the Motherland due to the war and the other day a Russian border town was shelled (Ukraine claims a 'false flag' attack, who knows). 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:38 | 4966726 AdvancingTime
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I think Putin also wants a land link to his newly regained area in the south. He would get this by taking a small chunk of eastern Ukraine. It seems Putin also does not mind going one on one with Obama a man for whom he shows little love.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:42 | 4967048 ChiangMai
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:32 | 4966699 AdvancingTime
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Sometimes it is interesting to note the up and down votes on a comment. It is not always the whole comment that gets a reaction but part of it or how it was interpreted. Very interesting.

In this case it might have to do with who is the aggressor, why they are pushing forward, and what final outcome do they really want.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:41 | 4966734 Ghordius
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indeed. poor paid trolls are overworked, perhaps. they don't have much time to judge who to bash down, I guess. imo, this whole up/down voting biz is childish. I ignore it

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 10:26 | 4967277 BlindMonkey
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-1 because you miss the fun.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:58 | 4966825 ChiangMai
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"Putin is just looking for an excuse to send in Russian tank columns..."

Up to 500,000 civilians have already been forced from their homes by the Ukrainian junta, and Russia has already expertly documented plenty of reasons to intervene; but it's not as short-sighted or criminal as the USA/EU.

By many estimates, Russia could obliterate the Ukrainian military in 48 hours, potentially saving hundreds or thousands of civilians from continued ethnic cleansing by Ukrainian Nazis violently installed as the government by the USA; but in the long-term, millions might die if Russia allows itself to be baited by USA/NATO/EU.

Translation of the "must read" article of worldcrisis.ru explaining why there is no Russian intervention in the Ukraine

VIDEO VERSION (14 July):

[VIDEO - 03:03] Geopolitics has no place for emotions 


IMAGE VERSION (Putin playing chess)




 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:30 | 4966973 DOT
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Yeah, Saint Vlad wants only to promote peace.

Looks like video has been taken of missle launches from Russia into Ukraine. They must only be warning shots.

The only difference between western Oligarchs is their native language. Putin is not letting this crisis go to waste; you can bet on that.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 10:28 | 4967290 BlindMonkey
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Warning shots? You must have missed the reports of the Ukrainian army's shells that continuously landed in Russia. Counter battery is full justified and expected.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:20 | 4967536 tonyw
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Maybe you have missed the many videos showing rocket and artillery attacks on the town and villages by the ukrainian army & right wing thugs.

i have looked at two videos shot from different locations and the launch site is not clear.

Also the border there crosses fields so it would be easy for the separatists to launch from russia by moving 100m, it's not like they have a well marked out border crossing the middle of the fields.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:14 | 4966640 gold_pa3ot
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fuck Russia!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:20 | 4966660 Latina Lover
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Actually, fuck the dumb Ukrainians like yourself who allowed your country to be destroyed by Oligarchs controlled by the USSA, thinking that you will somehow get visa free travel to Europe. Good luck with that, it will never happen.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:53 | 4966581 flyonmywall
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No fly zone ! After all, the EU and US do it all the time, so can the Russians.

Fuck you Barry !

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:09 | 4966632 Winston Churchill
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In law ,and fact, unilateral sanctions, are an Act of War.

The Nobel committee had better authorize a War prize soon ,so Obozo can get his second.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:19 | 4966653 Ghordius
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the Dutch Empire had a row with the British Empire on similar grounds, long ago. the first maintained that trading should continue and held sacrosanct, even during war. the second liked embargoes, mainly because it leveraged it's vast fleet's political weight

your namesake transferred this British vision to it's successor Ruler Of The Waves. just a reminder that "International Law" is... consensus, too. sometimes enforced

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:33 | 4966706 Winston Churchill
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Indeed Ghordius.

The oceans are now just killing grounds for any countries surface warships.

A fact that the USN fails to percieve.The world changed with the sinking of the Roya Oak at

Scapa Flow, and the Prince of Wales off Malaysia.

It changed again with missile technology, but will not be acknowledged until the next

naval battle between modern countries.

Admirals especially,but generals also, are alway prepared to fight the last war,not the next one.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:22 | 4967546 angel_of_joy
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Just wait for the first aircraft carrier to get sunk. Then perception will change very quickly.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:08 | 4966873 ChiangMai
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More accurately, the US/NATO and EU use "no fly zone" as a term to bamboozle people into naively believing that involves simply making a declaration and sending up a few fighter jets, rather than an excuse for massive bombing as in Libya.

In reality, especially in Ukraine, with extensive anti-aircraft defenses, creating a "no fly zone" without losing every aircraft sent up to enforce it would involve extensive bombing of military airfields and associated ground installations throughout Ukraine; i.e. essentially blowing this up into a full-scale war of Russia vs the Ukraine junta / US / NATO - which is exactly what the US/NATO wants.

But I'm definitely with you on your final sentence!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:51 | 4966584 25or6to4
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Interresting times coming in the near future. Long gold, guns, garden and God

Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot Guts. Guts and angry eyes, don't forget your angry eyes.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:55 | 4966587 Coldfire
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Yes, I would believe every word coming from a guy named Lysenko. But seriously does anyone out there think the MIC is not trying to start WWIII? Cripes.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:57 | 4966589 mrblah
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Weird. seen several sites claim there is a video, yet it isn't...anywhere?

There are one or two of still images claiming to be this, but which look old and remind me of the Georgia conflict, but none of this alleged event.

Are Ukraine now so paranoid they are blaming everything, including an above average amount of flatulence, on Russia?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:56 | 4966592 kowalli
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you are right, they are blaming everything on Russia...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:39 | 4967024 DOT
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Missle launches are shown in a video. The story asserts that the launch occured within Russia.

 

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/category/section/column

 

Am I sceptical? Hell yes!  But the nature of power remains and Mssr. Putin has shown a talent for showing it off.

 

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:36 | 4967010 ChiangMai
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"Are Ukraine now so paranoid…"

Desperate, I believe, more than paranoid. I like how this tweet puts it  ;-) : 

Panic between NAZI scum begging for NATO or UN help !

#Ukraine woke up & discovered its ALONE.

NO ONE will move A FINGER for NAZI SCUM >:))

Reports are that Ukrainian junta/Nazi units are ripping off their military uniforms and fleeing the battlefield, abandoning dead and wounded — and crossing the border into Russia for medical attention, at the same time as claiming Russia is firing on them!

Here's the best description of the immediate situation in the "south cauldron" that I've seen (dated yesterday):

Disintegration of South Cauldron

Excerpts:

The overall headcount of the surrounded junta group is about 5 thousand, out of which about 2-2.5 thousand are combat capable…

The tentative time of the cauldron existence is 3-5 days – everything that won't be able to exit through the bottleneck near Saur-Mogila will be lost for the junta.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:55 | 4966591 kowalli
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100% blackmail without any proof, need to aprove USA sanctions... like WMD in Iraq...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:56 | 4966593 JustObserving
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It's OK for the fascists in Kiev to keep killing civilians as they are supported by the Nobel Prize Winner:

Fascist atrocities mount as US-backed regime assaults eastern Ukraine


By Alex Lantier 
17 July 2014


As the Western-backed regime in Kiev assaults pro-Russian militias in the major cities of eastern Ukraine, mass graves are coming to light in Slavyansk, the former opposition stronghold recently captured by Kiev. The government offensive is unfolding with the support of Washington and the European Union (EU), which yesterday imposed more sanctions to compel Moscow to abandon any support for opposition militias in Ukraine.

Andriy Lysenko, the spokesman for the Kiev regime’s Defense and Security Council, said yesterday that “hundreds of bodies of rebel fighters” had been found in shallow graves. Lysenko claimed some of the graves “have been mined by the terrorists”—apparently implying that some of the dead were killed during the siege of Slavyansk and buried by fellow opposition fighters before Kiev’s forces captured the town. Lysenko refused to give further details.

While the Kiev regime’s bombardment of Slavyansk doubtless caused hundreds of casualties, its own accounts show that the far-right Ukrainian nationalist militias it has mobilized are carrying out a campaign of political terror and murder in Slavyansk. Upon capturing the city, they detained all men between the ages of 25 and 35 on suspicion of supporting or giving aid, including medical aid, to the opposition militias.

On Tuesday, Interior Ministry official Anton Gerashchenko confirmed that two Slavyansk priests had been murdered for supporting opposition forces. “We found a grave of two priests from Slavyansk, who were tortured and killed by the Ukrainian nationalists,” Gerashchenko said. The bodies of two sons of one of the priests were discovered in the same grave as the priests’ mutilated remains.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/17/ukra-j17.html

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:21 | 4966659 Sean7k
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Did you read the article? No proof of anything, possible complicity by either side. All in all, a worthless piece of news. The government in Kiev is the government of the Ukraine, so they have a reason. What is the separatist's excuse? Because they are Russian? Why not just go back to Russia? It was the USSR that transferred their families there in the first place to dilute the Ukrainian nationality.

Condemning the puppets is pretty juvenile. Even Vlad and Barry are just puppets here. Where have the "nationalists" gotten their weapons from? Just had them hanging around? 

If you have a beef, go shoot a NWO advocate or zionist or arms contractor. Or choose to stop posting propaganda. Or stop supporting your warmongering government. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:23 | 4966671 JustObserving
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The government in Kiev is the government of the Ukraine

Have you forgotten that the legal government of Ukraine was overthrown in an illegal putsch supported by the Nobel Prize Winner?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-democratic-coup-detat-washingtons-...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:30 | 4966694 Sean7k
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Have you forgot they had an election? You are ignorant of Russian complicity in installing the last government? Or is it a putsch only when the west does it? Or do you really think it matters? There are no good guys here. Just Rabid psychopaths puling our strings. Turning all of humanity into the same pathological murderers they are, so we never lay the blame at their door. You're posting propaganda and attempting to change the subject to deflect its' inanity.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:48 | 4966731 JustObserving
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 You are ignorant of Russian complicity in installing the last government?

And you are ignorant of Western complicity in installing the new government and for the atrocities in the East.  Hundreds of CIA advisers and American contractors are in Ukraine to bring peace and prosperity.

Dozens Of CIA, FBI Agents "Advising Ukraine Government", German Press Reports

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-04/dozens-cia-fbi-agents-advising-...

In the clearest sign of intensifying US involvement in the Ukraine crisis, the White House admitted—after vehement denials—that CIA Director John Brennan flew into Kiev over the weekend. Brennan arrived, under a false name, for discussions on how to further exploit the crisis that the US and its allies deliberately triggered by orchestrating the February coup.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/04/15/ukra-a15.html


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:55 | 4966815 Sean7k
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No, I'm well aware we installed a government, one which was willing to give Russia a permanent naval base on the Black Sea. Somethnig Russia has wanted for ages. You appear to be the one so caught up in the propaganda, you fail to recognize this is nothing more than pre-arranged warfare to create profits, kill useless eaters and determine resource routes and whom will own them. Your outrage is either fabricated or infantile. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:09 | 4966862 JustObserving
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you fail to recognize this is nothing more than pre-arranged warfare to create profits

So you are saying that Russians wanted this war and a Western-backed government run by the CIA on their doorstep?

You are far more paranoid than you imagine. Or stupider than you imagine.  Luckily, fools are the last to know they are fools.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:11 | 4966899 layman_please
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Every ruler welcomes the threat of war, if not the war itself. Nothing better to consolidate power over populace through the fear for the common enemy. History 101. Don't be naïve.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:15 | 4966911 JustObserving
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So USA would welcome a Russian-backed Mexico on its border?  Don't be daft.

Of course, countries need enemies but it is better if they are a bit far away and not an imminent threat on their borders.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:38 | 4966937 layman_please
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I'm talking about rulers, both shadowy and elected, not about countries. Big difference.

USA is not a conscious entity. It won't welcome anything. Try to make up your mind who you are talking about.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:30 | 4966977 Sean7k
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You are either an imbecile or determined to be obtuse. What part of patriotism as a propaganda motivator do you not understand? Russia would be a threat, but millions of latin nationals is not? 

Countries don't need enemies, they are useful tools to manipulate the people. Have you met a Russian? Or Mexican? Or Italian? I have. They are nice people, honest, hardworking and concerned about their loved ones and future. You have to turn them into glibbering, drooling instruments of death. Patriotism and Statism are drugs to fuel violent passions best turned to hard work and production. However, the Elites can't profit from that, so we get war and death and disease and pollution, four riders spreading their apocalypse. 

You are just another tool, unwittingly or not, to further the mayhem and murder. Nice job, do you sleep well at night?

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