Putin Says "Ukraine Responsible For Crash... Wouldn't Happen If At Peace"

Tyler Durden's picture

According to Russian news agency Interfax, Vladimir Putin remarked during a government meeting today that:

  • *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MALAYSIA JET CRASH: IFX
  • *MALAYSIA CRASH WOULDN'T HAPPEN IF UKRAINE WAS AT PEACE: IFX

But ordered Russia's government to all it can to investigate the crash.

Via The Kremlin,

You know that today in the skies over Ukraine was terrible event, a terrible tragedy - killed a civilian plane, 285 people, according to preliminary data, were killed.

 

We, on behalf of the Russian government and the Russian government to express condolences to the bereaved families, the governments of those countries whose nationals were on that plane. I ask you to honor their memory.

 

(Moment of silence.)

 

In this regard, I note that this tragedy would not have happened if it was on this earth peace, in any case, would not be renewed hostilities in the south-east of Ukraine. And, of course, the State over whose territory it happened, is responsible for this terrible tragedy.

 

I already gave instructions to the military departments that they have all necessary assistance in the investigation of this crime. And also ask the Government of the Russian Federation through the available opportunities civilian agencies to do everything for a thorough investigation of this event. We will do everything - everything depends on us, anyway - that was the objective picture of what happened and our public domain, and the public in Ukraine and all over the world. This is completely unacceptable things, and no one has the right to pass this without the appropriate conclusions and without having to have all of us there, objective information about the incident.

While we will not speculate, his comments appear oddly defensive (similar to how Obama played down the event in terms of blame) - perhaps they know how serious this could get if anything is ever proven.

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onewayticket2's picture

...and the black box is sent to moscow!    clown show.

Pinto Currency's picture

 

 

http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Reports that Putin flew similar route as MH17, presidential airport says 'hasn't overflown Ukraine for long time'

max2205's picture

Malaysia is taking a beating and they didn't do anything.....

SoberOne's picture

And jews, and Christians...

whotookmyalias's picture

All your piece (sp) are belong to us......

quintago's picture

That was true in 1988 when the US Navy shot down Iran Air 655; and it's true today.

Pinto Currency's picture

 

 

Malaysia has proposed a gold dinar several times.

http://www.gata.org/node/6962

http://www.freelists.org/post/news/Mahathir-proposes-gold-dinar-as-currency-for-international-trade

Looks like Putin and the BRICS are headed in that direction.

Chupacabra-322's picture

The real question that should be asked is who filed the flight plan, and why was it over the Ukraine at that time? This could be determined rather quickly, and it would shed some light on who knew that plane would be there.

My personal opinion is that it was the World bank renewing their campaign against Russia and the BRICS bank that was signed into existence yesterday. Behind every dirty war is a banker.

nope-1004's picture

^^ this.  +1

 

"Money is at the root of all evil."

 

Paveway IV's picture

Does the Ukranian Air Force have muslim pilots, toady?

Kiev air traffic controller tweets MH17 was escorted by two Ukranian AF fighters until just before the crash. Immediately after crash, 'foreign authorities' took over the Kiev tower?? @spainbuca's account in case it still exists:  https://twitter.com/spainbuca

Whoa Dammit's picture

I like how pristine looking passports have already been found, the video where nothing is seen falling from the sky but something blows up on the ground (oops!), and how the piece of the plane where the Malaysian flag was somehow remained in one piece (a not so subliminal message as it very much resembles our flag). 

I would like to know what the dangling streaming things were in the explosion that were shown on one video--it looked almost like white phosphorus seen in the Vietnam War.

(Note all videos referenced are being shown on CNN).

Ides of November's picture

Max2205.

Can you explain to me what kind of arrogant, ignorant stupid naive airline flies a passenger jet through a war zone in which planes are constantly being shot down?

These are not secrets. Apparently it was to save on fuel!!

Stinks of criminal negligence to me!!

Goes for all the other airlines flying that route - they got lucky - or else there is something deeper at play in regards to Malaysia that we don't know about.

SDShack's picture

"What difference does it make!" quote, cough, cough.

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

"We came, we saw, they died.... we came again."
-- some brain damaged old Sea Hag*

 

 

*or something like that

Duffy Duck's picture

Oh where should it go, you twat? The puppet regime in Kiev? Direct to Tel Aviv?

Jumbotron's picture

LOL !!   Right.  If those Ukranians hadn't riled up those Russian rebels to the point of hair triggering a SAM to blow up a passenger jet then this wouldn't have happened.

That's Russian Roulette Logic.

NidStyles's picture

Doubt those missiles would be rolling around if the Ukraine was not at a virtual state of war.

svayambhu108's picture

Previous to previous comentary: Those NSA trolls still checking if were are yet braindamaged? Suck dick, you wil be soon unemployed.

NidStyles's picture

I like how I got junked for pointing out the truth LOL!

disabledvet's picture

What you say is absolutely true actually. And what Putin has said while perhaps extremely cynical is not in fact a lie....even if Putin himself gave the order to shoot down the plane.

Sorry but this is like two different mindsets speaking...and quite frankly the folks speaking to Russia right now in my view "just don't get it."

It might sound strange that he blew up your airplane and now is blaming you...both of you might even be looking and even AGREEING on the fact that Putin indeed did order the plane to be shot down.

But that's just it. "Our side just can't look last the fact the HE DID IT!" The quotidian American expression: "AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!"

Awwwww. "Somebody's party just got hit by a Grad missile strike."

The Greeks really did have all this figured out "back in the day." The fate of human kind begins and ends with His rhetoric and "rhetorical devices"...not some dopey dope "pointing fingers" and "shouting a name."

The Japanese do pray to their ancestors however...forgiveness of some grave crime committed by Uncle Ho...800 years ago. I've always found that quite fascinating actually.

"The day that one dude let everyone down and thus caused all our suffering." Maybe doing a The Chicken Dance routine after scoring a "touchdown" in "football" really is a dangerous thing.

I doubt there is anyone here who has ever heard of "galundaspringing"...but I do recommend looking it up. That was what was a considered a big deal back in my day. (The 90's.)

Sorry but this go around says to me "our soul is not intact." We're knockin' over graves and spewing a lot of b.s.

I did find the story "Bo Bergdahl reporting for duty" uplifting. That to me is the "non bullshit" in a total bullshit world.

luftmensch's picture

lol, yes kind of like a husband telling his wife - if only you hadn't burned my steak their wouldn't be a bruise on your face, you only have yourself to blame...

Anusocracy's picture

Sorry, your position is tenuous for the simple reason that this is playing in a way to benefit the US and its Assholes of Evil and to the detriment of Russia.

This is either an accidental shootdown or a ham-handed false flag by the US/Poodles in Kiev.

Looks more like the US.

luftmensch's picture

Hey Anus, I fail to follow your argument there as to why shooting down a commercial airplane benefits the U.S.??  Oh yeah, it looks like you have no argument Anus.

Next time just go to a football time, it's a more appropriate venue for your level of communication.

 

 

Winston Churchill's picture

Threatening extermination,and then following through on it,is riling up.

Troll.

asierguti's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGkD0PWADBs

 

This video is from March 2014. You can see the ukrainian army deploying a Buk missile system in the Donetsk region.

McMolotov's picture

And this article from July 5 shows them transporting Buk missile systems near Slovyansk:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-claims-victory-in-rebel-stronghold-...

BurningFuld's picture

And being moved North West...busted.

Ginsengbull's picture

Who is throwing the "Buk" at who?

luftmensch's picture

Hey Jumbo, still fighting the good fight against all of Putin's little spambot trolls here!  How come you get more down-votes than me, no fair!

Russia is clearly the aggressor overall and has the hardware to easily do this, and only their side has been shooting down planes recently.  Given the way their country is run in general, not surprising to imagine a few 19 year olds reading the screen incorrectly in the heat of the moment.

Contact was lost w the flight 30m from the Russian border.

No matter what happened, this was an unfortuante tragedy and I can't see that it will benefit anyone.

Of course, Putin will spin this in his normative KGB/Stazi/FSB/UR manner.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/24489586/rebel-site-suggests-i...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/11/inside-putins...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/13/ukrainians-russians...

Jumbotron's picture

I don't like either side.  But when ex-KGB head Putin makes a weasel statement like that....he knows his people are responsible.  Plain and simple.

 

 

emersonreturn's picture

why don't you zionist trolls start up your own website, rather than polluting ZH?  if you think you've god and cause on your side surely the world and it's best minds will flock to you and your site---are you doubtful you could come close to the insight, clarity and audience that attends ZH?

where_is the_nuke's picture

These trolls think this is Facebook. They are trying to use their facebook tricks here thinking that it will work. Full retard alert.

 

luftmensch's picture

& you and your buddies seem to think this is VKontakt!  Only, as far as we know, ZH has not yet been acquired by the FSB/KGB like VK.

For the time being, all of us zionist gay black liberal idiots and you gay Putin lover boi paid zombie bot disinfo-mercs are all entitled to play together here!  

Tall Tom's picture

...are all entitled ...

 

Need I write anything else?

luftmensch's picture

Hey Emerson, -- does that make you a caliphate lover?  Or do you have some super-special genius plan for middle-eastern peace?  

Or are you just a sad little 24 yr old ruski cubicle warrior dweeb?   Please let us know, we're all ears ;)


TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

luftmensch, transparent propagandist, said:

Hey Jumbo, still fighting the good fight against all of Putin's little spambot trolls here!

Note the leadoff here. He gets the ad hominem out of the way right off the bat. His selection is stale, though, well beyond the expiration date. But hey, propagandists have to keep hammering the same message over and over. To maintain consistent repetition, it's best to keep it simple.

How come you get more down-votes than me, no fair!

Is this an acknowledgement that this guy knows he's about to spew some ridiculous bullshit which nobody will believe? Or is it an accidental admission that he's too stupid to grasp how stupid he really is? We wonder...

Russia is clearly the aggressor overall and has the hardware to easily do this, and only their side has been shooting down planes recently.  Given the way their country is run in general, not surprising to imagine a few 19 year olds reading the screen incorrectly in the heat of the moment.

Not bad. Even though the comment is stupid, he was able to paint a simpleminded fantasy, comic book style, in only two sentences. Not bad at all. After all, one does not necessarily have to be stupid to make a stupid comment, especially if the goal is obfuscation and distraction.

Contact was lost w the flight 30m from the Russian border.

Invented facts. What a surprise. Notice, however, that this manages to be vague without sounding that way. This allows every recipient of the messagge, without even realizing it, to fill in the blank of "contact was lost" in the way that suits them best. It never mentions the type of contact (visual, radio, radar, transponder, satellite) that was lost, nor does it specify by whom the contact was lost.

Also interesting is the "30m" figure. Most people in the world see that as 30 meters, a bizarrely precise measurement given the speed of the aircraft. A more sensible value would be 30 miles. Since no countries in the region use miles for measurement, though, I'd expect it to be presented as 48km.

No matter what happened, this was an unfortuante tragedy and I can't see that it will benefit anyone.

A bit of a hasty conclusion. It comes just in time to distract the media away from yesterday's humiliating defeat of the Kiev Yatzi junta in the "southern cauldron" area. The Yatzis which weren't obliterated dropped their weapons and fled toward the Russian border. The criminal thug cowards that didn't have civilian clothes stripped to their underwear to avoid being identified as Privy Sektor.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/07/igor-strelkov-and-militia-brie...

Our propagandist then concludes with the stale and far too obvious technique of accusing others of acts that he is engaging in.

Of course, Putin will spin this in his normative KGB/Stazi/FSB/UR manner.

Of the three links he leaves us with, you'll notice that the last two are the same ones he's posted in his other Putin smear jobs, sometimes more than once per comment thread. Over the next day or two, it will be interesting to see how many more times he posts these very same links to those months old articles.

Titus's picture

Thanks for breaking this down so well. The average person doesn't get the methods behind the propaganda machine.

luftmensch's picture

hi stooge,

Thanks for your analysis! You do realize that only the Russian mafia, sorry I mean military, use the term "Kiev Yatzi junta". The rest of us actually don't even know what it means. Translation please?

Do you mean to accuse them of sitting around playing a dice game, or something else?

HardAssets's picture

Indications (such as they are - who can believe anything in the 'news') are that the altitude at which the plane was hit is too high for portable air-to-air missiles. Thus, it would needed to have been launched by someone other than rag tag rebels.

Jumbotron's picture

It's a Buk launcher.  Those missiles are large and fast.  Used to be called Gainfuls back in the day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K38_Buk-M1-2#9K37M1-2_Model_.28SA-17.29

Winston Churchill's picture

SA 11's don't have the range,the only ones the federalists have from the pics.

SA 17's do have the range which is what the Uke army has,from Janes and the pics.

The launch vehicle is the same,but you can tell the difference in missiles  visually if you

do your homework.The MSM will not, relying on people like you to take their word for it,

like "wiping Israel off the map" instead of " the regime in Jerasulem fading from the pages of history".

Verify everything for youself ,or remain ignorant.

BUK manufactures a lot of hardware,only the Gadfly and Grizzly are in the field as far as is known,

plus the manpads.

TungstenBars's picture

How much dick sucking and ball licking is involved in training for the NSA? 100 hours? 1000?

Obama will need to have something to do in 2016

Againstthelie's picture

WHO ORDERED PASSENGER JET TO FLY OVER COMBAT ZONE?

WhackoWarner's picture

Far from Clown.  Just watched CNN? saying Russia had no jurisdication there.  So according to CNN it falls to USA to take charge of fact-finding.

Eternal Complainer's picture

Yeah but, you can't trust anything CNN reports..
Proven track record! Same as any Western MSM