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Putin Says "Ukraine Responsible For Crash... Wouldn't Happen If At Peace"

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According to Russian news agency Interfax, Vladimir Putin remarked during a government meeting today that:

  • *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MALAYSIA JET CRASH: IFX
  • *MALAYSIA CRASH WOULDN'T HAPPEN IF UKRAINE WAS AT PEACE: IFX

But ordered Russia's government to all it can to investigate the crash.

Via The Kremlin,

You know that today in the skies over Ukraine was terrible event, a terrible tragedy - killed a civilian plane, 285 people, according to preliminary data, were killed.

 

We, on behalf of the Russian government and the Russian government to express condolences to the bereaved families, the governments of those countries whose nationals were on that plane. I ask you to honor their memory.

 

(Moment of silence.)

 

In this regard, I note that this tragedy would not have happened if it was on this earth peace, in any case, would not be renewed hostilities in the south-east of Ukraine. And, of course, the State over whose territory it happened, is responsible for this terrible tragedy.

 

I already gave instructions to the military departments that they have all necessary assistance in the investigation of this crime. And also ask the Government of the Russian Federation through the available opportunities civilian agencies to do everything for a thorough investigation of this event. We will do everything - everything depends on us, anyway - that was the objective picture of what happened and our public domain, and the public in Ukraine and all over the world. This is completely unacceptable things, and no one has the right to pass this without the appropriate conclusions and without having to have all of us there, objective information about the incident.

While we will not speculate, his comments appear oddly defensive (similar to how Obama played down the event in terms of blame) - perhaps they know how serious this could get if anything is ever proven.

 

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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:04 | 4970128 onewayticket2
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...and the black box is sent to moscow!    clown show.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:08 | 4970146 Pinto Currency
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http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Reports that Putin flew similar route as MH17, presidential airport says 'hasn't overflown Ukraine for long time'

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:10 | 4970162 max2205
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Malaysia is taking a beating and they didn't do anything.....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:12 | 4970177 toady
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Damn Muslims

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:33 | 4970241 linniepar
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And jews, and Christians...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:43 | 4970290 bunzbunzbunz
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+ infinity

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:45 | 4970296 whotookmyalias
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All your piece (sp) are belong to us......

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:46 | 4970310 quintago
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That was true in 1988 when the US Navy shot down Iran Air 655; and it's true today.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:47 | 4970596 Pinto Currency
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Malaysia has proposed a gold dinar several times.

http://www.gata.org/node/6962

http://www.freelists.org/post/news/Mahathir-proposes-gold-dinar-as-currency-for-international-trade

Looks like Putin and the BRICS are headed in that direction.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:32 | 4970853 Chupacabra-322
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The real question that should be asked is who filed the flight plan, and why was it over the Ukraine at that time? This could be determined rather quickly, and it would shed some light on who knew that plane would be there.

My personal opinion is that it was the World bank renewing their campaign against Russia and the BRICS bank that was signed into existence yesterday. Behind every dirty war is a banker.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:27 | 4971130 nope-1004
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^^ this.  +1

 

"Money is at the root of all evil."

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:38 | 4970266 Paveway IV
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Does the Ukranian Air Force have muslim pilots, toady?

Kiev air traffic controller tweets MH17 was escorted by two Ukranian AF fighters until just before the crash. Immediately after crash, 'foreign authorities' took over the Kiev tower?? @spainbuca's account in case it still exists:  https://twitter.com/spainbuca

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:39 | 4970272 Whoa Dammit
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I like how pristine looking passports have already been found, the video where nothing is seen falling from the sky but something blows up on the ground (oops!), and how the piece of the plane where the Malaysian flag was somehow remained in one piece (a not so subliminal message as it very much resembles our flag). 

I would like to know what the dangling streaming things were in the explosion that were shown on one video--it looked almost like white phosphorus seen in the Vietnam War.

(Note all videos referenced are being shown on CNN).

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:50 | 4970331 layman_please
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:54 | 4970355 magpie
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Who knows, perhaps even passports from MH370 ?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:42 | 4970580 AgeOfJefferson
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You mean from 9/11…

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:18 | 4970790 Ides of November
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Max2205.

Can you explain to me what kind of arrogant, ignorant stupid naive airline flies a passenger jet through a war zone in which planes are constantly being shot down?

These are not secrets. Apparently it was to save on fuel!!

Stinks of criminal negligence to me!!

Goes for all the other airlines flying that route - they got lucky - or else there is something deeper at play in regards to Malaysia that we don't know about.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:43 | 4970898 SDShack
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"What difference does it make!" quote, cough, cough.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:58 | 4970988 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"We came, we saw, they died.... we came again."
-- some brain damaged old Sea Hag*

 

 

*or something like that

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:10 | 4970167 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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The whole situation is a bit unsettling.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:29 | 4970224 Publicus
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Why? This is how World War escalates.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:33 | 4970245 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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You do not find that prospect unsettling?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:38 | 4970268 A Lunatic
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Of course not, especially with our government looking out for us.......

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:45 | 4970300 bunzbunzbunz
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Incompetence aside, won't our government look out for us a bit more than "their" government?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:56 | 4970674 El Vaquero
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Uh, I've got a munitions complex that WILL get hit with an 800kt (or other yield) nuke about 20 miles away from me when a war between the US and Russia reaches its inevetable conclusion.  I don't feel that meddling over there is looking out for me.  

 

The Kirtland Underground Munitions Storage Complex:

http://wikimapia.org/136866/Kirtland-Underground-Munitions-Storage-Complex

 

And about 3 miles from that is Sandia National Labs.  Then there is Los Alamos a ways north of me too.  In a nuclear war, my vicinity is getting hit. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:34 | 4970859 Moe Hamhead
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That's "fly-over (and drop!) country" out there!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:03 | 4971805 COSMOS
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Shhhhh now we know where you live, you may get uninvited guests to your orchard LOL

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:13 | 4971844 Colonel Klink
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Don't forget the hollowed out Manzano mountain.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:00 | 4971006 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Incompetence aside, won't our government look out for us a bit more than "their" government?

Why would they start doing that?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:47 | 4970311 Talleyrand
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"They print and print and print...then they take us to war."

       Faber

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:22 | 4970474 quasistable
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right now idiots that support Putler take us to war.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:31 | 4970529 TungstenBars
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right now idiots that support Obammer/Nutandayahoo/Hartler take us to war.

 

There, fixed it for ya! No need to thank me.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:41 | 4977852 quasistable
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I don't support Obama's socialism. But it doesn't make me to support Putler's KGB-ism or N.Korea's regime.

Why?

Because I'm not an idiot.  This is the types of idiots I'm talking about.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:58 | 4970375 Duffy Duck
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Oh where should it go, you twat? The puppet regime in Kiev? Direct to Tel Aviv?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:08 | 4970139 Jumbotron
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LOL !!   Right.  If those Ukranians hadn't riled up those Russian rebels to the point of hair triggering a SAM to blow up a passenger jet then this wouldn't have happened.

That's Russian Roulette Logic.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:08 | 4970149 NidStyles
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Doubt those missiles would be rolling around if the Ukraine was not at a virtual state of war.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:31 | 4970235 svayambhu108
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Previous to previous comentary: Those NSA trolls still checking if were are yet braindamaged? Suck dick, you wil be soon unemployed.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:53 | 4970351 NidStyles
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I like how I got junked for pointing out the truth LOL!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:37 | 4971201 disabledvet
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What you say is absolutely true actually. And what Putin has said while perhaps extremely cynical is not in fact a lie....even if Putin himself gave the order to shoot down the plane.

Sorry but this is like two different mindsets speaking...and quite frankly the folks speaking to Russia right now in my view "just don't get it."

It might sound strange that he blew up your airplane and now is blaming you...both of you might even be looking and even AGREEING on the fact that Putin indeed did order the plane to be shot down.

But that's just it. "Our side just can't look last the fact the HE DID IT!" The quotidian American expression: "AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!"

Awwwww. "Somebody's party just got hit by a Grad missile strike."

The Greeks really did have all this figured out "back in the day." The fate of human kind begins and ends with His rhetoric and "rhetorical devices"...not some dopey dope "pointing fingers" and "shouting a name."

The Japanese do pray to their ancestors however...forgiveness of some grave crime committed by Uncle Ho...800 years ago. I've always found that quite fascinating actually.

"The day that one dude let everyone down and thus caused all our suffering." Maybe doing a The Chicken Dance routine after scoring a "touchdown" in "football" really is a dangerous thing.

I doubt there is anyone here who has ever heard of "galundaspringing"...but I do recommend looking it up. That was what was a considered a big deal back in my day. (The 90's.)

Sorry but this go around says to me "our soul is not intact." We're knockin' over graves and spewing a lot of b.s.

I did find the story "Bo Bergdahl reporting for duty" uplifting. That to me is the "non bullshit" in a total bullshit world.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:42 | 4971227 luftmensch
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lol, yes kind of like a husband telling his wife - if only you hadn't burned my steak their wouldn't be a bruise on your face, you only have yourself to blame...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:55 | 4971289 Anusocracy
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Sorry, your position is tenuous for the simple reason that this is playing in a way to benefit the US and its Assholes of Evil and to the detriment of Russia.

This is either an accidental shootdown or a ham-handed false flag by the US/Poodles in Kiev.

Looks more like the US.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:06 | 4975127 luftmensch
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Hey Anus, I fail to follow your argument there as to why shooting down a commercial airplane benefits the U.S.??  Oh yeah, it looks like you have no argument Anus.

Next time just go to a football time, it's a more appropriate venue for your level of communication.

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:09 | 4970155 Winston Churchill
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Threatening extermination,and then following through on it,is riling up.

Troll.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:25 | 4970211 asierguti
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGkD0PWADBs

 

This video is from March 2014. You can see the ukrainian army deploying a Buk missile system in the Donetsk region.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:42 | 4970281 McMolotov
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And this article from July 5 shows them transporting Buk missile systems near Slovyansk:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-claims-victory-in-rebel-stronghold-...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:54 | 4970353 BurningFuld
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And being moved North West...busted.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:21 | 4970807 Ginsengbull
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Who is throwing the "Buk" at who?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:08 | 4970367 luftmensch
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Hey Jumbo, still fighting the good fight against all of Putin's little spambot trolls here!  How come you get more down-votes than me, no fair!

Russia is clearly the aggressor overall and has the hardware to easily do this, and only their side has been shooting down planes recently.  Given the way their country is run in general, not surprising to imagine a few 19 year olds reading the screen incorrectly in the heat of the moment.

Contact was lost w the flight 30m from the Russian border.

No matter what happened, this was an unfortuante tragedy and I can't see that it will benefit anyone.

Of course, Putin will spin this in his normative KGB/Stazi/FSB/UR manner.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/24489586/rebel-site-suggests-i...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/11/inside-putins...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/13/ukrainians-russians...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:15 | 4970441 Jumbotron
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I don't like either side.  But when ex-KGB head Putin makes a weasel statement like that....he knows his people are responsible.  Plain and simple.

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:09 | 4970733 emersonreturn
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why don't you zionist trolls start up your own website, rather than polluting ZH?  if you think you've god and cause on your side surely the world and it's best minds will flock to you and your site---are you doubtful you could come close to the insight, clarity and audience that attends ZH?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:34 | 4970860 where_is the_nuke
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These trolls think this is Facebook. They are trying to use their facebook tricks here thinking that it will work. Full retard alert.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:47 | 4971245 luftmensch
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& you and your buddies seem to think this is VKontakt!  Only, as far as we know, ZH has not yet been acquired by the FSB/KGB like VK.

For the time being, all of us zionist gay black liberal idiots and you gay Putin lover boi paid zombie bot disinfo-mercs are all entitled to play together here!  

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 04:37 | 4972314 Tall Tom
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...are all entitled ...

 

Need I write anything else?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:55 | 4971276 luftmensch
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Hey Emerson, -- does that make you a caliphate lover?  Or do you have some super-special genius plan for middle-eastern peace?  

Or are you just a sad little 24 yr old ruski cubicle warrior dweeb?   Please let us know, we're all ears ;)


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:36 | 4971707 TheFourthStooge-ing
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luftmensch, transparent propagandist, said:

Hey Jumbo, still fighting the good fight against all of Putin's little spambot trolls here!

Note the leadoff here. He gets the ad hominem out of the way right off the bat. His selection is stale, though, well beyond the expiration date. But hey, propagandists have to keep hammering the same message over and over. To maintain consistent repetition, it's best to keep it simple.

How come you get more down-votes than me, no fair!

Is this an acknowledgement that this guy knows he's about to spew some ridiculous bullshit which nobody will believe? Or is it an accidental admission that he's too stupid to grasp how stupid he really is? We wonder...

Russia is clearly the aggressor overall and has the hardware to easily do this, and only their side has been shooting down planes recently.  Given the way their country is run in general, not surprising to imagine a few 19 year olds reading the screen incorrectly in the heat of the moment.

Not bad. Even though the comment is stupid, he was able to paint a simpleminded fantasy, comic book style, in only two sentences. Not bad at all. After all, one does not necessarily have to be stupid to make a stupid comment, especially if the goal is obfuscation and distraction.

Contact was lost w the flight 30m from the Russian border.

Invented facts. What a surprise. Notice, however, that this manages to be vague without sounding that way. This allows every recipient of the messagge, without even realizing it, to fill in the blank of "contact was lost" in the way that suits them best. It never mentions the type of contact (visual, radio, radar, transponder, satellite) that was lost, nor does it specify by whom the contact was lost.

Also interesting is the "30m" figure. Most people in the world see that as 30 meters, a bizarrely precise measurement given the speed of the aircraft. A more sensible value would be 30 miles. Since no countries in the region use miles for measurement, though, I'd expect it to be presented as 48km.

No matter what happened, this was an unfortuante tragedy and I can't see that it will benefit anyone.

A bit of a hasty conclusion. It comes just in time to distract the media away from yesterday's humiliating defeat of the Kiev Yatzi junta in the "southern cauldron" area. The Yatzis which weren't obliterated dropped their weapons and fled toward the Russian border. The criminal thug cowards that didn't have civilian clothes stripped to their underwear to avoid being identified as Privy Sektor.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/07/igor-strelkov-and-militia-brie...

Our propagandist then concludes with the stale and far too obvious technique of accusing others of acts that he is engaging in.

Of course, Putin will spin this in his normative KGB/Stazi/FSB/UR manner.

Of the three links he leaves us with, you'll notice that the last two are the same ones he's posted in his other Putin smear jobs, sometimes more than once per comment thread. Over the next day or two, it will be interesting to see how many more times he posts these very same links to those months old articles.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:38 | 4972223 Titus
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Thanks for breaking this down so well. The average person doesn't get the methods behind the propaganda machine.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:10 | 4975149 luftmensch
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hi stooge,

Thanks for your analysis! You do realize that only the Russian mafia, sorry I mean military, use the term "Kiev Yatzi junta". The rest of us actually don't even know what it means. Translation please?

Do you mean to accuse them of sitting around playing a dice game, or something else?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:15 | 4970437 HardAssets
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Indications (such as they are - who can believe anything in the 'news') are that the altitude at which the plane was hit is too high for portable air-to-air missiles. Thus, it would needed to have been launched by someone other than rag tag rebels.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:17 | 4970454 Jumbotron
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It's a Buk launcher.  Those missiles are large and fast.  Used to be called Gainfuls back in the day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K38_Buk-M1-2#9K37M1-2_Model_.28SA-17.29

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:30 | 4970836 Winston Churchill
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SA 11's don't have the range,the only ones the federalists have from the pics.

SA 17's do have the range which is what the Uke army has,from Janes and the pics.

The launch vehicle is the same,but you can tell the difference in missiles  visually if you

do your homework.The MSM will not, relying on people like you to take their word for it,

like "wiping Israel off the map" instead of " the regime in Jerasulem fading from the pages of history".

Verify everything for youself ,or remain ignorant.

BUK manufactures a lot of hardware,only the Gadfly and Grizzly are in the field as far as is known,

plus the manpads.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:34 | 4970541 TungstenBars
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How much dick sucking and ball licking is involved in training for the NSA? 100 hours? 1000?

Obama will need to have something to do in 2016

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:17 | 4970780 Againstthelie
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WHO ORDERED PASSENGER JET TO FLY OVER COMBAT ZONE?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:07 | 4970142 WhackoWarner
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Far from Clown.  Just watched CNN? saying Russia had no jurisdication there.  So according to CNN it falls to USA to take charge of fact-finding.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:30 | 4970225 Eternal Complainer
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Yeah but, you can't trust anything CNN reports..
Proven track record! Same as any Western MSM

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:52 | 4970347 Joe Tierney
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CNN - Crap Now Network

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:07 | 4970147 QQQBall
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Please define "CRASH"

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:12 | 4970179 max2205
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Same as the definition of IS or Sex

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:13 | 4970187 max2205
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Same as the definition of IS or Sex

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:14 | 4970188 max2205
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Same as the definition of IS or Sex

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:46 | 4970304 Manthong
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ZH servers a tad slow today.. several dupes.

Click save once and just be patient.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:34 | 4970538 QQQBall
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to the moron who down arrowed me - WTFU? A passenger plane shot down by a rocket did not CRASH.  If it is a MSM ally then it continues as "repsonsibility for CRASH still unclear"...  leran to read thenews, particularly the the gaslighted headlines. another from today:

 

GOLD DREAMERS TO FACE HARSH REALITY.... I guess I was dreaming $1000+ an ounce ago.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:08 | 4970152 TideFighter
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1st thing my ex-black ops son said: "Common move here would be the CIA using a stolen SA and taking the plane down - best thing to do to remove a few forward advances Putin has made." Smart, very smart. Oh, like we don;t know this hapens. 9/11 Bitchez, all over again. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:11 | 4970173 Canucklehead
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You don't say?  The 1st thing your ex-black ops son said....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:25 | 4970207 TideFighter
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3/2 Marine-4 Years, burned and kept going. Picked up by Blackwater for 4 more. He knows shit that you -the nucklehead can't fathom, but he is a quite boy. But, if I were you, not a guy you should poke with a stick. He builds houses now, and carries eight concrete blocks at a time. I'm proud of him. He walks around worrying about depleted uranium, having slept on it night-after-night. I won't have grandkids, he knows he is screwed. I written about him before, here on Zero - my pride will never leave, and my bullshit meter, thanks to him, will forever be in the red zone.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:01 | 4970709 Savyindallas
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Repost-- 

i hope your son will one day speak out on the truth. Yes he's worried about DU that he was exposed to  -what about those killed as a result of the DU shells and bombs that descended upon them? What about the tens of thousands of Iraqi babies born badly deformed as a result of DU? What about the millions of Iraqis who will die an early death from cancer and other ailments as a result of the massive amounts of DU they were (and continue to be) exposed to. After spending time as a marine, your son should have resisted the temptation to make the big bucks with an evil entity such as Blackwater. He did it out of greed. I do not wish ill well or bad fortune upon your son  -but he is way down on the list of people I pity and/or pray for. I hope he makes his peace with God and with humanity for working for the satanic Blackwater group -   he has a lot to regret and to make amends for.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:06 | 4972344 Tall Tom
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And you enjoyed the benefits...

 

You are just as complicit except that you did not do any of the dirty work. (Do not think that I haven't taken a look in the mirror.) YOU PAID FOR IT. YOU FINANCIALLY SUPPORTED IT. Well....Financial Support IS SUPPORT.

 

The ones whom are most influenced by Satanic Organizations are the ones whom need Prayer most.

 

But you, in your SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, make the audacious claim that this young man is "way down on the list of the people that you pray for." Let's see if that arrogance and self righteousness opens up Heaven's Pearly Gates for you.

 

I will pray that God Almighty lifts the delusion from you. Maybe then you will see the ugliness inside and repent from it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:28 | 4970210 TideFighter
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3/2 Marine-4 Years, burned and kept going. Picked up by Blackwater for 4 more. He knows shit that you -the nucklehead can't fathom, but he is a quiet boy. But, if I were you, not a guy you should poke with a stick. He builds houses now, and carries eight concrete blocks at a time. I'm proud of him. He walks around worrying about depleted uranium, having slept on it night-after-night. I won't have grandkids, he knows he is screwed. I have written about him before, here on Zero - my pride will never leave, and my bullshit meter, thanks to him, will forever be in the red zone.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:29 | 4970221 Canucklehead
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Eight concrete blocks at a time....  You don't say...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:39 | 4970276 A Lunatic
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Rubble shrapnel.....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:53 | 4970346 bunzbunzbunz
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'PICS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN' is the correct response.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:35 | 4970547 QQQBall
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IS this now FB for concrete block updates?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:50 | 4970329 progro
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Yeah my son who is an ex-ninja and was talking to Captain America the other day said the same thing.

Wait...does my son know your son?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:18 | 4970461 Jumbotron
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He didn't get picked up by Blackwater.  He chose to join the Mercs.  Fuck him.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:00 | 4970688 Savyindallas
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i hope your son will one day speak out on the truth. Yes he's worried about DU that he was exposed to  -what about those killed as a result of the DU shells and bombs that descended upon them? What about the tens of thousands of Iraqi babies born badly deformed as a result of DU? What about the millions of Iraqis who will die an early death from cancer and other ailments as a result of the massive amounts of DU they were (and continue to be) exposed to. After spending time as a marine, your son should have resisted the temptation to make the big bucks with an evil entity such as Blackwater. He did it out of greed. I do not wish ill well or bad fortune upon your son  -but he is way down on the list of people I pity and/or pray for. I hope he makes his peace with God and with humanity for working for the satanic Blackwater group -   he has a lot to regret and to make amends for.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:04 | 4970395 roadhazard
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Haven't you heard, "there were NO planes on 9/11." ~  tin foil hat 

lmao

PS: Is that the best crap you can make up.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:08 | 4970156 Rip van Wrinkle
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MH370 was a Boeing 777.....what an amazing coincidence that the plane that is shot down over Ukraine happens to be a Malaysian Air Boeing 777.

 

But I thought it went down in the Indian Ocena somewhere?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:34 | 4970249 Eternal Complainer
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Yeah , and they wouldn't even have to paint the thing.
Just slap some new #'s on it and roll it out

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:24 | 4970486 RECISION
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Well...

If you turn off their transponders in flight - you can make "amazing" things happen...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:09 | 4970157 booboo
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:10 | 4970164 cn13
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Why is it that I believe anything Putin says but nothing that Obama says?

I guess when you get lied to as often as we do by Obama it just makes one cynical.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:41 | 4970279 toady
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You shouldn't do the "believe" thing, be it anything or nothing.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:47 | 4970608 Savyindallas
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I feel the same way. I just bought 4 "Putin For president 2016" T-shirts  -2 for me and 2 for my sons. Rand Paul is my second choice. I like US rep walter Jones as a VP candidate.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:11 | 4970174 TideFighter
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Barry Zero in lockdown - probably 1,000's of Manhattan Joos calling the WH complaint line. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:11 | 4970175 TideFighter
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Barry Zero in lockdown - probably 1,000's of Manhattan Joos calling the WH complaint line. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:11 | 4970176 TideFighter
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Barry Zero in lockdown - probably 1,000's of Manhattan Joos calling the WH complaint line. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:17 | 4970191 market le pew
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No worries, Barry OBummer will sort this one out within a few minues, and if not, Mr Yellen will print that plane back into existence, at least for the financial community. And if you don't believe me, Mr Krugman will back me up with with the newest economic models which never fail.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:19 | 4970195 Bokkenrijder
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He only said 'it would not have happened if at peace.'

One thing he obviously didn't say is: 'Russia didn't do it!'

Hmmm....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:34 | 4970251 Lucifers God
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He also mentioned it was a tragedy instead of "devastation"

 

 

Hmmm....

 

i think you're on to something there bokkenrijder

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:54 | 4970352 Wahooo
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Why should he deny it? Come across defensive and pussywhipped. That's not Putin. Russia didn't shoot the jet down, no reason to. Putin owes you and all other Americans and Euros nothing.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:21 | 4970199 dobermangang
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Actually, I heard it was Howard Stern's fault.  As reported on MSNBC.....  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWb8BGiIyoA&feature=youtu.be

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:29 | 4970200 Cacete de Ouro
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For those interested in the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 fleet, here is a summary of the planes and their naming convention.

Malaysian Airlines bought 17 Boeing 777s. the link below now shows 13.

The 17 planes had sequential registration numbers 9M-MRA through to 9M-MRQ.

9M-MRD is the MH17 plane (supposedly)
9M-MRO is MH370 (let's say lost)
9M-MRI (is supposedly stored at Tel Aviv. This is the GA Telesis angle)
9M-MRK (is supposedly in Orlando, Florida - which apparently has more than it's fair share of spooks walking around the place)

http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/search.php?manufacturer=Boe...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:32 | 4970242 magpie
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Seems MH is one of those generic central american banana cia lines...going with the times, muslim veener oriental exotic flair etc etc. to keep Kenyan Uno entertained.

If MRD is murder, then MRO was Moro...as in black, muslim, kaffir etc.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:40 | 4970277 Cacete de Ouro
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9M-MRK could be "the Mark", as in
a 'target' or
a 'person of set of persons who are the intended victim of a swindler; a dupe'

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:44 | 4970295 magpie
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That brings up exciting questions, was this plane even meant to crash in the Ukraine...e.g. the Lagarde event might still be in the future.

Mark as the branding of something...seems like something out of a middle eastern book of tales...something to do with cattle or beasts.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:35 | 4970256 Cacete de Ouro
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Buying 17 777s is in itself quite weird. Like, what's the recurring significance of 17 even back then when they bought 17 of the cursed things?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:38 | 4972368 Tall Tom
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Numerologil Value of 17 is 8 which is the number of power and balance. It is a Karmic Number.

 

Payback is a beeyatch isn't it?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:27 | 4970201 Cacete de Ouro
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:29 | 4970203 Cacete de Ouro
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:28 | 4970204 Cacete de Ouro
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:29 | 4970222 Coletrane
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whoa.............deja vu

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:30 | 4970227 Cacete de Ouro
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Apologies, something's up with the ZH servers. They are intermittently hanging. Looks ok again now

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:28 | 4970215 Cacete de Ouro
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:29 | 4970223 WhackoWarner
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I will believe no source on this one.  Too many times have I been presented propoganda.  From all sides.  I will read everything and decide for myself. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:36 | 4970258 Lucifers God
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I think that's what you're originally intended to do

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:40 | 4970260 Joe A
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Whoever did this, did the opposite side a big favor. But this event is already getting spinned from all sides. A lot of propaganda and misinformation going round. All sides already presenting 'evidence'. Expect a lot of it in the coming time.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:44 | 4970292 toady
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Thank you.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:30 | 4970230 ShrNfr
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Obama calls it a "apparent tragedy" and then hops off to attend two fundraisers. If you want a guy with zero class, that is Obama. Totally tone deaf about anyone but himself. A manipulating psychopath, pure and simple.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:35 | 4970257 Coletrane
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a brother's  got to have priorities, you know

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:46 | 4970307 toady
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Got my mind on my money and my money on my mind.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:34 | 4970542 thecoloredsky
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Fundraiser for what? His 3rd term?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:33 | 4970238 Cacete de Ouro
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:32 | 4970239 Senduko
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I wonder why Putin is downplaying this situation, I mean 285 people did die, Americans died, Russians died. I find this more then odd tbh. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:38 | 4970265 magpie
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Ask for CNN and Aljazeera to shed crocodile tears...with the lack information the plane could as well have been a drone. Crashing into a warzone due to a mechanical failure, where a junta is committing genocide.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:46 | 4970294 Omen IV
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It is getting clear to Putin - there is no way out - Obama wants war - pure and simple and ALL OF RUSSIA - seven time zones of land and resources - almost all undeveloped - the last prize in the world - middle east too difficult - muslims are not rational - caucasians are rational - so the americans know they can win this for themselves for virtually nothing

is Putin and the Chinese -  Nationals  - or not - will they fight for their homeland - that is the question?

the Europeans want none of it - in fact the Germans would move over to the Russians in a heart beat - Washington knows that it is in motion  - so they accelerate their economic mercenary action with false flag attack

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:30 | 4971167 where_is the_nuke
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I hope Putin is a warrior. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:33 | 4970247 pakled
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Wait. Joe Biden has just checked in with his report....

 

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said the plane was shot down, adding that it was "not an accident" and was "blown out of the sky."

 

So now we know one thing fer sure

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:37 | 4970259 Coletrane
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kinda like the uss vincennes "incident" back in the 80s...........

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:37 | 4970264 franzpick
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Putin has just said "Relations with America are at a DEAD END".  He could augment his rising approval by Russian, American and worldwide interests if he would just add that he looks forward to restoring business, personal and diplomatic relations AS SOON AS CURRENT AMERICAN LEADERSHIP IS REPLACED by peaceable, trustworthy representatives.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:39 | 4970271 magpie
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Yes, but certain people would just consider that a threat to replace the Obama regime with the Biden regime.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:39 | 4970274 css1971
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Hey Nuland. Happy now, or do you need more dead?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:41 | 4970282 DeliciousSteak
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It's not like this would be the first plane shot down by mistake. The Russians certainly have experience with that, even if they were only partly at fault in that one infamous case.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:42 | 4970283 Circle of DNA
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Evidently, this was a Kiev/CIA operation that did not go as smoothly as planned. Any other smaller nation would've been just accused and dealt with without any need for further  proof.  

This shit is just too obvious. The whole world knows that the US and their Kiev's pets are gunning after Russia. There is a rumor that this was just a diversion for yet another false flag scam.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:45 | 4970302 DeliciousSteak
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Where's your proof? Oh right, you don't have any. Believe it or not mistakes happen. It's entirely possible that this was one of them. Almost 300 people dead. A sad day.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:49 | 4970324 Omen IV
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you're wrong !

look at the level of MSM coordination - they in mass are not asking hard questions

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:37 | 4970874 Peak Finance
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Proof?

How about this:

 

1) Pic of body in the middle or scorched rubble with no burns

 

2) Pics of bodies completely intact after falling 33,000 feet at terminal velocity

 

3) Malays lose 2  777 is the same year? This is just nuts, statistically impossible without a guiding hand

 

4) Airspace was restricted, plane flew there anyway

 

5) For the nutters - Lots of crazy numerology stuff going on here and statical weirdness. NO I don't believe in numerology stuff, but it does not matter if I do, the fact is that THEY DO as clearly shown in that fucking nutcase Laguard video

 

I am sure that people much smarted than me with the time to review the tapes will tear this false flag apart. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:15 | 4970447 Louie the Dog
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What is "too obvious" is that you have misplaced your tinfoil hat. Although I do enjoy the my oligarchy is better than your oligarchy comments from our Russian rubes that post on ZH.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:30 | 4970522 Circle of DNA
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WHAT IS OVIOUS is that this shit is not in the interests of the resistance and definitely not in the interests of Russia . Wipe this Nuland's cookie crumbs off your face and come up with something other than NSA mythology.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:38 | 4971207 Louie the Dog
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OK, comrade. Whatever you say.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:43 | 4970287 youngman
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At this point in time..the facts are known to TPTB....to both sides...its just the wait to see if anyone has the guts to tell the rest of the world....but they would have to show their cards...and no one wants to do that..or take the blame...Putin knows and Obama knows...from here on out its CYA

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:48 | 4970315 magpie
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The squad who planned this watched the MH370 cover up and activism...they will replicate it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:44 | 4970293 Shizzmoney
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The blame game ping pong that is going to happen in the next few days is going to be highly LOL

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:17 | 4970456 A Lunatic
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Ron Paul and his cult following of gold crazed terrorists did it......

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:30 | 4970509 1stepcloser
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its gold meshuggah terrorists ...ummm k thaaanks...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:47 | 4970309 GooseShtepping Moron
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"Everything depends on us anyway."

If I were to guess, I would say Putin is giving vent to some honest and entirely legitimate frustration here. He was blamed when the Polish government crashed its own plane into the Katyn forest even though Russia had nothing to do with that one, and he knows the Western politicos will try to pin the blame for this one on Russia as well. It has to be frustrating trying to run a country like Russia and at the same time having to put up with these childish games which could very well plunge the world into war.

On a related point, it was 96 years ago today that the Russian Royal Family was brutally murdered by the Bolsheviks. This would be a good day to say a prayer for Russia, and to include a petition for the repose of the souls of forgotten Nicholas and his wife and children.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:14 | 4970439 CrashisOptimistic
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There is a crushing reality that is the source of all US and EU anger.

Russia has the oil and they have the gas.  They have all that geography for it to be under.  Theirs will last far longer than the Bakken or Eagleford.

They hold the cards and their victory is inevitable.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:48 | 4970314 Infinite QE
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Another few hundred dead to add the 200+million the zio-crazies have slaughtered since the turn of the 1900's.  What a fucked up people.....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:23 | 4970478 Jumbotron
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Yeah....all those Yid-Ukranian-Russian-Lizard People.

So you decided to come up for air from sucking Moo-hammad's dick in hell.  Good for you.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:44 | 4971235 Infinite QE
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Yo Retardotron. Were you born this stupid or did evolve over time?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:48 | 4970325 Duffy Duck
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Nice to see former AIPACer Wolf Blitzer interviewing Israeli dual citizen Simon Ostrovsky,  who made VICE news reporting on Ukraine like something out of the Weekly Standard....

 

Jews/Zionists seem to pop up absolutely EVERYWHERE when it comes to the news.... 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:55 | 4970357 Yen Cross
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    The MSM sees this as a 'lose<>lose' scenario for Putin. I see it as the complete opposite.

   The MSM keeps focusing on the KINETIC part of the situation. IE : type of weapon, and who fired it...  

 I see the opportunity for Putin to share Intel Re; western surveillance and information gathering techniques.

 

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