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Putin Says "Ukraine Responsible For Crash... Wouldn't Happen If At Peace"
According to Russian news agency Interfax, Vladimir Putin remarked during a government meeting today that:
- *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MALAYSIA JET CRASH: IFX
- *MALAYSIA CRASH WOULDN'T HAPPEN IF UKRAINE WAS AT PEACE: IFX
But ordered Russia's government to all it can to investigate the crash.
You know that today in the skies over Ukraine was terrible event, a terrible tragedy - killed a civilian plane, 285 people, according to preliminary data, were killed.
We, on behalf of the Russian government and the Russian government to express condolences to the bereaved families, the governments of those countries whose nationals were on that plane. I ask you to honor their memory.
(Moment of silence.)
In this regard, I note that this tragedy would not have happened if it was on this earth peace, in any case, would not be renewed hostilities in the south-east of Ukraine. And, of course, the State over whose territory it happened, is responsible for this terrible tragedy.
I already gave instructions to the military departments that they have all necessary assistance in the investigation of this crime. And also ask the Government of the Russian Federation through the available opportunities civilian agencies to do everything for a thorough investigation of this event. We will do everything - everything depends on us, anyway - that was the objective picture of what happened and our public domain, and the public in Ukraine and all over the world. This is completely unacceptable things, and no one has the right to pass this without the appropriate conclusions and without having to have all of us there, objective information about the incident.
While we will not speculate, his comments appear oddly defensive (similar to how Obama played down the event in terms of blame) - perhaps they know how serious this could get if anything is ever proven.
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...and the black box is sent to moscow! clown show.
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
Reports that Putin flew similar route as MH17, presidential airport says 'hasn't overflown Ukraine for long time'
Malaysia is taking a beating and they didn't do anything.....
Damn Muslims
And jews, and Christians...
+ infinity
All your piece (sp) are belong to us......
That was true in 1988 when the US Navy shot down Iran Air 655; and it's true today.
Malaysia has proposed a gold dinar several times.
http://www.gata.org/node/6962
http://www.freelists.org/post/news/Mahathir-proposes-gold-dinar-as-currency-for-international-trade
Looks like Putin and the BRICS are headed in that direction.
The real question that should be asked is who filed the flight plan, and why was it over the Ukraine at that time? This could be determined rather quickly, and it would shed some light on who knew that plane would be there.
My personal opinion is that it was the World bank renewing their campaign against Russia and the BRICS bank that was signed into existence yesterday. Behind every dirty war is a banker.
^^ this. +1
"Money is at the root of all evil."
Does the Ukranian Air Force have muslim pilots, toady?
Kiev air traffic controller tweets MH17 was escorted by two Ukranian AF fighters until just before the crash. Immediately after crash, 'foreign authorities' took over the Kiev tower?? @spainbuca's account in case it still exists: https://twitter.com/spainbuca
I like how pristine looking passports have already been found, the video where nothing is seen falling from the sky but something blows up on the ground (oops!), and how the piece of the plane where the Malaysian flag was somehow remained in one piece (a not so subliminal message as it very much resembles our flag).
I would like to know what the dangling streaming things were in the explosion that were shown on one video--it looked almost like white phosphorus seen in the Vietnam War.
(Note all videos referenced are being shown on CNN).
nothing to see here, move along
https://twitter.com/russian_market/status/489823597100552193
Who knows, perhaps even passports from MH370 ?
You mean from 9/11…
Max2205.
Can you explain to me what kind of arrogant, ignorant stupid naive airline flies a passenger jet through a war zone in which planes are constantly being shot down?
These are not secrets. Apparently it was to save on fuel!!
Stinks of criminal negligence to me!!
Goes for all the other airlines flying that route - they got lucky - or else there is something deeper at play in regards to Malaysia that we don't know about.
"What difference does it make!" quote, cough, cough.
"We came, we saw, they died.... we came again."
-- some brain damaged old Sea Hag*
*or something like that
The whole situation is a bit unsettling.
Why? This is how World War escalates.
You do not find that prospect unsettling?
Of course not, especially with our government looking out for us.......
Incompetence aside, won't our government look out for us a bit more than "their" government?
Uh, I've got a munitions complex that WILL get hit with an 800kt (or other yield) nuke about 20 miles away from me when a war between the US and Russia reaches its inevetable conclusion. I don't feel that meddling over there is looking out for me.
The Kirtland Underground Munitions Storage Complex:
http://wikimapia.org/136866/Kirtland-Underground-Munitions-Storage-Complex
And about 3 miles from that is Sandia National Labs. Then there is Los Alamos a ways north of me too. In a nuclear war, my vicinity is getting hit.
That's "fly-over (and drop!) country" out there!
Shhhhh now we know where you live, you may get uninvited guests to your orchard LOL
Don't forget the hollowed out Manzano mountain.
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Why would they start doing that?
"They print and print and print...then they take us to war."
Faber
right now idiots that support Putler take us to war.
right now idiots that support Obammer/Nutandayahoo/Hartler take us to war.
There, fixed it for ya! No need to thank me.
I don't support Obama's socialism. But it doesn't make me to support Putler's KGB-ism or N.Korea's regime.
Why?
Because I'm not an idiot. This is the types of idiots I'm talking about.
Oh where should it go, you twat? The puppet regime in Kiev? Direct to Tel Aviv?
LOL !! Right. If those Ukranians hadn't riled up those Russian rebels to the point of hair triggering a SAM to blow up a passenger jet then this wouldn't have happened.
That's Russian Roulette Logic.
Doubt those missiles would be rolling around if the Ukraine was not at a virtual state of war.
Previous to previous comentary: Those NSA trolls still checking if were are yet braindamaged? Suck dick, you wil be soon unemployed.
I like how I got junked for pointing out the truth LOL!
What you say is absolutely true actually. And what Putin has said while perhaps extremely cynical is not in fact a lie....even if Putin himself gave the order to shoot down the plane.
Sorry but this is like two different mindsets speaking...and quite frankly the folks speaking to Russia right now in my view "just don't get it."
It might sound strange that he blew up your airplane and now is blaming you...both of you might even be looking and even AGREEING on the fact that Putin indeed did order the plane to be shot down.
But that's just it. "Our side just can't look last the fact the HE DID IT!" The quotidian American expression: "AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!"
Awwwww. "Somebody's party just got hit by a Grad missile strike."
The Greeks really did have all this figured out "back in the day." The fate of human kind begins and ends with His rhetoric and "rhetorical devices"...not some dopey dope "pointing fingers" and "shouting a name."
The Japanese do pray to their ancestors however...forgiveness of some grave crime committed by Uncle Ho...800 years ago. I've always found that quite fascinating actually.
"The day that one dude let everyone down and thus caused all our suffering." Maybe doing a The Chicken Dance routine after scoring a "touchdown" in "football" really is a dangerous thing.
I doubt there is anyone here who has ever heard of "galundaspringing"...but I do recommend looking it up. That was what was a considered a big deal back in my day. (The 90's.)
Sorry but this go around says to me "our soul is not intact." We're knockin' over graves and spewing a lot of b.s.
I did find the story "Bo Bergdahl reporting for duty" uplifting. That to me is the "non bullshit" in a total bullshit world.
lol, yes kind of like a husband telling his wife - if only you hadn't burned my steak their wouldn't be a bruise on your face, you only have yourself to blame...
Sorry, your position is tenuous for the simple reason that this is playing in a way to benefit the US and its Assholes of Evil and to the detriment of Russia.
This is either an accidental shootdown or a ham-handed false flag by the US/Poodles in Kiev.
Looks more like the US.
Hey Anus, I fail to follow your argument there as to why shooting down a commercial airplane benefits the U.S.?? Oh yeah, it looks like you have no argument Anus.
Next time just go to a football time, it's a more appropriate venue for your level of communication.
Threatening extermination,and then following through on it,is riling up.
Troll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGkD0PWADBs
This video is from March 2014. You can see the ukrainian army deploying a Buk missile system in the Donetsk region.
And this article from July 5 shows them transporting Buk missile systems near Slovyansk:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-claims-victory-in-rebel-stronghold-...
And being moved North West...busted.
Who is throwing the "Buk" at who?
Hey Jumbo, still fighting the good fight against all of Putin's little spambot trolls here! How come you get more down-votes than me, no fair!
Russia is clearly the aggressor overall and has the hardware to easily do this, and only their side has been shooting down planes recently. Given the way their country is run in general, not surprising to imagine a few 19 year olds reading the screen incorrectly in the heat of the moment.
Contact was lost w the flight 30m from the Russian border.
No matter what happened, this was an unfortuante tragedy and I can't see that it will benefit anyone.
Of course, Putin will spin this in his normative KGB/Stazi/FSB/UR manner.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/24489586/rebel-site-suggests-i...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/11/inside-putins...
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/13/ukrainians-russians...
I don't like either side. But when ex-KGB head Putin makes a weasel statement like that....he knows his people are responsible. Plain and simple.
why don't you zionist trolls start up your own website, rather than polluting ZH? if you think you've god and cause on your side surely the world and it's best minds will flock to you and your site---are you doubtful you could come close to the insight, clarity and audience that attends ZH?
These trolls think this is Facebook. They are trying to use their facebook tricks here thinking that it will work. Full retard alert.
& you and your buddies seem to think this is VKontakt! Only, as far as we know, ZH has not yet been acquired by the FSB/KGB like VK.
For the time being, all of us zionist gay black liberal idiots and you gay Putin lover boi paid zombie bot disinfo-mercs are all entitled to play together here!
...are all entitled ...
Need I write anything else?
Hey Emerson, -- does that make you a caliphate lover? Or do you have some super-special genius plan for middle-eastern peace?
Or are you just a sad little 24 yr old ruski cubicle warrior dweeb? Please let us know, we're all ears ;)
luftmensch, transparent propagandist, said:
Note the leadoff here. He gets the ad hominem out of the way right off the bat. His selection is stale, though, well beyond the expiration date. But hey, propagandists have to keep hammering the same message over and over. To maintain consistent repetition, it's best to keep it simple.
Is this an acknowledgement that this guy knows he's about to spew some ridiculous bullshit which nobody will believe? Or is it an accidental admission that he's too stupid to grasp how stupid he really is? We wonder...
Not bad. Even though the comment is stupid, he was able to paint a simpleminded fantasy, comic book style, in only two sentences. Not bad at all. After all, one does not necessarily have to be stupid to make a stupid comment, especially if the goal is obfuscation and distraction.
Invented facts. What a surprise. Notice, however, that this manages to be vague without sounding that way. This allows every recipient of the messagge, without even realizing it, to fill in the blank of "contact was lost" in the way that suits them best. It never mentions the type of contact (visual, radio, radar, transponder, satellite) that was lost, nor does it specify by whom the contact was lost.
Also interesting is the "30m" figure. Most people in the world see that as 30 meters, a bizarrely precise measurement given the speed of the aircraft. A more sensible value would be 30 miles. Since no countries in the region use miles for measurement, though, I'd expect it to be presented as 48km.
A bit of a hasty conclusion. It comes just in time to distract the media away from yesterday's humiliating defeat of the Kiev Yatzi junta in the "southern cauldron" area. The Yatzis which weren't obliterated dropped their weapons and fled toward the Russian border. The criminal thug cowards that didn't have civilian clothes stripped to their underwear to avoid being identified as Privy Sektor.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/07/igor-strelkov-and-militia-brie...
Our propagandist then concludes with the stale and far too obvious technique of accusing others of acts that he is engaging in.
Of the three links he leaves us with, you'll notice that the last two are the same ones he's posted in his other Putin smear jobs, sometimes more than once per comment thread. Over the next day or two, it will be interesting to see how many more times he posts these very same links to those months old articles.
Thanks for breaking this down so well. The average person doesn't get the methods behind the propaganda machine.
hi stooge,
Thanks for your analysis! You do realize that only the Russian mafia, sorry I mean military, use the term "Kiev Yatzi junta". The rest of us actually don't even know what it means. Translation please?
Do you mean to accuse them of sitting around playing a dice game, or something else?
Indications (such as they are - who can believe anything in the 'news') are that the altitude at which the plane was hit is too high for portable air-to-air missiles. Thus, it would needed to have been launched by someone other than rag tag rebels.
It's a Buk launcher. Those missiles are large and fast. Used to be called Gainfuls back in the day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K38_Buk-M1-2#9K37M1-2_Model_.28SA-17.29
SA 11's don't have the range,the only ones the federalists have from the pics.
SA 17's do have the range which is what the Uke army has,from Janes and the pics.
The launch vehicle is the same,but you can tell the difference in missiles visually if you
do your homework.The MSM will not, relying on people like you to take their word for it,
like "wiping Israel off the map" instead of " the regime in Jerasulem fading from the pages of history".
Verify everything for youself ,or remain ignorant.
BUK manufactures a lot of hardware,only the Gadfly and Grizzly are in the field as far as is known,
plus the manpads.
How much dick sucking and ball licking is involved in training for the NSA? 100 hours? 1000?
Obama will need to have something to do in 2016
WHO ORDERED PASSENGER JET TO FLY OVER COMBAT ZONE?
Far from Clown. Just watched CNN? saying Russia had no jurisdication there. So according to CNN it falls to USA to take charge of fact-finding.
Yeah but, you can't trust anything CNN reports..
Proven track record! Same as any Western MSM
CNN - Crap Now Network
Please define "CRASH"
Same as the definition of IS or Sex
Same as the definition of IS or Sex
Same as the definition of IS or Sex
ZH servers a tad slow today.. several dupes.
Click save once and just be patient.
to the moron who down arrowed me - WTFU? A passenger plane shot down by a rocket did not CRASH. If it is a MSM ally then it continues as "repsonsibility for CRASH still unclear"... leran to read thenews, particularly the the gaslighted headlines. another from today:
GOLD DREAMERS TO FACE HARSH REALITY.... I guess I was dreaming $1000+ an ounce ago.
1st thing my ex-black ops son said: "Common move here would be the CIA using a stolen SA and taking the plane down - best thing to do to remove a few forward advances Putin has made." Smart, very smart. Oh, like we don;t know this hapens. 9/11 Bitchez, all over again.
You don't say? The 1st thing your ex-black ops son said....
3/2 Marine-4 Years, burned and kept going. Picked up by Blackwater for 4 more. He knows shit that you -the nucklehead can't fathom, but he is a quite boy. But, if I were you, not a guy you should poke with a stick. He builds houses now, and carries eight concrete blocks at a time. I'm proud of him. He walks around worrying about depleted uranium, having slept on it night-after-night. I won't have grandkids, he knows he is screwed. I written about him before, here on Zero - my pride will never leave, and my bullshit meter, thanks to him, will forever be in the red zone.
Repost--
i hope your son will one day speak out on the truth. Yes he's worried about DU that he was exposed to -what about those killed as a result of the DU shells and bombs that descended upon them? What about the tens of thousands of Iraqi babies born badly deformed as a result of DU? What about the millions of Iraqis who will die an early death from cancer and other ailments as a result of the massive amounts of DU they were (and continue to be) exposed to. After spending time as a marine, your son should have resisted the temptation to make the big bucks with an evil entity such as Blackwater. He did it out of greed. I do not wish ill well or bad fortune upon your son -but he is way down on the list of people I pity and/or pray for. I hope he makes his peace with God and with humanity for working for the satanic Blackwater group - he has a lot to regret and to make amends for.
And you enjoyed the benefits...
You are just as complicit except that you did not do any of the dirty work. (Do not think that I haven't taken a look in the mirror.) YOU PAID FOR IT. YOU FINANCIALLY SUPPORTED IT. Well....Financial Support IS SUPPORT.
The ones whom are most influenced by Satanic Organizations are the ones whom need Prayer most.
But you, in your SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, make the audacious claim that this young man is "way down on the list of the people that you pray for." Let's see if that arrogance and self righteousness opens up Heaven's Pearly Gates for you.
I will pray that God Almighty lifts the delusion from you. Maybe then you will see the ugliness inside and repent from it.
3/2 Marine-4 Years, burned and kept going. Picked up by Blackwater for 4 more. He knows shit that you -the nucklehead can't fathom, but he is a quiet boy. But, if I were you, not a guy you should poke with a stick. He builds houses now, and carries eight concrete blocks at a time. I'm proud of him. He walks around worrying about depleted uranium, having slept on it night-after-night. I won't have grandkids, he knows he is screwed. I have written about him before, here on Zero - my pride will never leave, and my bullshit meter, thanks to him, will forever be in the red zone.
Eight concrete blocks at a time.... You don't say...
Rubble shrapnel.....
'PICS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN' is the correct response.
IS this now FB for concrete block updates?
Yeah my son who is an ex-ninja and was talking to Captain America the other day said the same thing.
Wait...does my son know your son?
He didn't get picked up by Blackwater. He chose to join the Mercs. Fuck him.
i hope your son will one day speak out on the truth. Yes he's worried about DU that he was exposed to -what about those killed as a result of the DU shells and bombs that descended upon them? What about the tens of thousands of Iraqi babies born badly deformed as a result of DU? What about the millions of Iraqis who will die an early death from cancer and other ailments as a result of the massive amounts of DU they were (and continue to be) exposed to. After spending time as a marine, your son should have resisted the temptation to make the big bucks with an evil entity such as Blackwater. He did it out of greed. I do not wish ill well or bad fortune upon your son -but he is way down on the list of people I pity and/or pray for. I hope he makes his peace with God and with humanity for working for the satanic Blackwater group - he has a lot to regret and to make amends for.
Haven't you heard, "there were NO planes on 9/11." ~ tin foil hat
lmao
PS: Is that the best crap you can make up.
MH370 was a Boeing 777.....what an amazing coincidence that the plane that is shot down over Ukraine happens to be a Malaysian Air Boeing 777.
But I thought it went down in the Indian Ocena somewhere?
Yeah , and they wouldn't even have to paint the thing.
Just slap some new #'s on it and roll it out
Well...
If you turn off their transponders in flight - you can make "amazing" things happen...
What! no joke telling, well, he could not hold Obama's putter when it comes to decorum.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696366/It-looks-like-terrible-tragedy-Obama-briefly-addresses-Malaysian-plane-crash-emerges-23-U-S-passengers-board.html
Why is it that I believe anything Putin says but nothing that Obama says?
I guess when you get lied to as often as we do by Obama it just makes one cynical.
You shouldn't do the "believe" thing, be it anything or nothing.
I feel the same way. I just bought 4 "Putin For president 2016" T-shirts -2 for me and 2 for my sons. Rand Paul is my second choice. I like US rep walter Jones as a VP candidate.
Barry Zero in lockdown - probably 1,000's of Manhattan Joos calling the WH complaint line.
Barry Zero in lockdown - probably 1,000's of Manhattan Joos calling the WH complaint line.
Barry Zero in lockdown - probably 1,000's of Manhattan Joos calling the WH complaint line.
No worries, Barry OBummer will sort this one out within a few minues, and if not, Mr Yellen will print that plane back into existence, at least for the financial community. And if you don't believe me, Mr Krugman will back me up with with the newest economic models which never fail.
He only said 'it would not have happened if at peace.'
One thing he obviously didn't say is: 'Russia didn't do it!'
Hmmm....
He also mentioned it was a tragedy instead of "devastation"
Hmmm....
i think you're on to something there bokkenrijder
Why should he deny it? Come across defensive and pussywhipped. That's not Putin. Russia didn't shoot the jet down, no reason to. Putin owes you and all other Americans and Euros nothing.
Actually, I heard it was Howard Stern's fault. As reported on MSNBC..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWb8BGiIyoA&feature=youtu.be
For those interested in the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 fleet, here is a summary of the planes and their naming convention.
Malaysian Airlines bought 17 Boeing 777s. the link below now shows 13.
The 17 planes had sequential registration numbers 9M-MRA through to 9M-MRQ.
9M-MRD is the MH17 plane (supposedly)
9M-MRO is MH370 (let's say lost)
9M-MRI (is supposedly stored at Tel Aviv. This is the GA Telesis angle)
9M-MRK (is supposedly in Orlando, Florida - which apparently has more than it's fair share of spooks walking around the place)
http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/search.php?manufacturer=Boe...
Seems MH is one of those generic central american banana cia lines...going with the times, muslim veener oriental exotic flair etc etc. to keep Kenyan Uno entertained.
If MRD is murder, then MRO was Moro...as in black, muslim, kaffir etc.
9M-MRK could be "the Mark", as in
a 'target' or
a 'person of set of persons who are the intended victim of a swindler; a dupe'
That brings up exciting questions, was this plane even meant to crash in the Ukraine...e.g. the Lagarde event might still be in the future.
Mark as the branding of something...seems like something out of a middle eastern book of tales...something to do with cattle or beasts.
Buying 17 777s is in itself quite weird. Like, what's the recurring significance of 17 even back then when they bought 17 of the cursed things?
Numerologil Value of 17 is 8 which is the number of power and balance. It is a Karmic Number.
Payback is a beeyatch isn't it?
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whoa.............deja vu
Apologies, something's up with the ZH servers. They are intermittently hanging. Looks ok again now
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I will believe no source on this one. Too many times have I been presented propoganda. From all sides. I will read everything and decide for myself.
I think that's what you're originally intended to do
Whoever did this, did the opposite side a big favor. But this event is already getting spinned from all sides. A lot of propaganda and misinformation going round. All sides already presenting 'evidence'. Expect a lot of it in the coming time.
Thank you.
Obama calls it a "apparent tragedy" and then hops off to attend two fundraisers. If you want a guy with zero class, that is Obama. Totally tone deaf about anyone but himself. A manipulating psychopath, pure and simple.
a brother's got to have priorities, you know
Got my mind on my money and my money on my mind.
Fundraiser for what? His 3rd term?
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I wonder why Putin is downplaying this situation, I mean 285 people did die, Americans died, Russians died. I find this more then odd tbh.
Ask for CNN and Aljazeera to shed crocodile tears...with the lack information the plane could as well have been a drone. Crashing into a warzone due to a mechanical failure, where a junta is committing genocide.
It is getting clear to Putin - there is no way out - Obama wants war - pure and simple and ALL OF RUSSIA - seven time zones of land and resources - almost all undeveloped - the last prize in the world - middle east too difficult - muslims are not rational - caucasians are rational - so the americans know they can win this for themselves for virtually nothing
is Putin and the Chinese - Nationals - or not - will they fight for their homeland - that is the question?
the Europeans want none of it - in fact the Germans would move over to the Russians in a heart beat - Washington knows that it is in motion - so they accelerate their economic mercenary action with false flag attack
I hope Putin is a warrior.
Wait. Joe Biden has just checked in with his report....
U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said the plane was shot down, adding that it was "not an accident" and was "blown out of the sky."
So now we know one thing fer sure
kinda like the uss vincennes "incident" back in the 80s...........
Putin has just said "Relations with America are at a DEAD END". He could augment his rising approval by Russian, American and worldwide interests if he would just add that he looks forward to restoring business, personal and diplomatic relations AS SOON AS CURRENT AMERICAN LEADERSHIP IS REPLACED by peaceable, trustworthy representatives.
Yes, but certain people would just consider that a threat to replace the Obama regime with the Biden regime.
Hey Nuland. Happy now, or do you need more dead?
It's not like this would be the first plane shot down by mistake. The Russians certainly have experience with that, even if they were only partly at fault in that one infamous case.
Evidently, this was a Kiev/CIA operation that did not go as smoothly as planned. Any other smaller nation would've been just accused and dealt with without any need for further proof.
This shit is just too obvious. The whole world knows that the US and their Kiev's pets are gunning after Russia. There is a rumor that this was just a diversion for yet another false flag scam.
Where's your proof? Oh right, you don't have any. Believe it or not mistakes happen. It's entirely possible that this was one of them. Almost 300 people dead. A sad day.
you're wrong !
look at the level of MSM coordination - they in mass are not asking hard questions
Proof?
How about this:
1) Pic of body in the middle or scorched rubble with no burns
2) Pics of bodies completely intact after falling 33,000 feet at terminal velocity
3) Malays lose 2 777 is the same year? This is just nuts, statistically impossible without a guiding hand
4) Airspace was restricted, plane flew there anyway
5) For the nutters - Lots of crazy numerology stuff going on here and statical weirdness. NO I don't believe in numerology stuff, but it does not matter if I do, the fact is that THEY DO as clearly shown in that fucking nutcase Laguard video
I am sure that people much smarted than me with the time to review the tapes will tear this false flag apart.
What is "too obvious" is that you have misplaced your tinfoil hat. Although I do enjoy the my oligarchy is better than your oligarchy comments from our Russian rubes that post on ZH.
WHAT IS OVIOUS is that this shit is not in the interests of the resistance and definitely not in the interests of Russia . Wipe this Nuland's cookie crumbs off your face and come up with something other than NSA mythology.
OK, comrade. Whatever you say.
At this point in time..the facts are known to TPTB....to both sides...its just the wait to see if anyone has the guts to tell the rest of the world....but they would have to show their cards...and no one wants to do that..or take the blame...Putin knows and Obama knows...from here on out its CYA
The squad who planned this watched the MH370 cover up and activism...they will replicate it.
The blame game ping pong that is going to happen in the next few days is going to be highly LOL
Ron Paul and his cult following of gold crazed terrorists did it......
its gold meshuggah terrorists ...ummm k thaaanks...
"Everything depends on us anyway."
If I were to guess, I would say Putin is giving vent to some honest and entirely legitimate frustration here. He was blamed when the Polish government crashed its own plane into the Katyn forest even though Russia had nothing to do with that one, and he knows the Western politicos will try to pin the blame for this one on Russia as well. It has to be frustrating trying to run a country like Russia and at the same time having to put up with these childish games which could very well plunge the world into war.
On a related point, it was 96 years ago today that the Russian Royal Family was brutally murdered by the Bolsheviks. This would be a good day to say a prayer for Russia, and to include a petition for the repose of the souls of forgotten Nicholas and his wife and children.
There is a crushing reality that is the source of all US and EU anger.
Russia has the oil and they have the gas. They have all that geography for it to be under. Theirs will last far longer than the Bakken or Eagleford.
They hold the cards and their victory is inevitable.
Another few hundred dead to add the 200+million the zio-crazies have slaughtered since the turn of the 1900's. What a fucked up people.....
Yeah....all those Yid-Ukranian-Russian-Lizard People.
So you decided to come up for air from sucking Moo-hammad's dick in hell. Good for you.
Yo Retardotron. Were you born this stupid or did evolve over time?
Nice to see former AIPACer Wolf Blitzer interviewing Israeli dual citizen Simon Ostrovsky, who made VICE news reporting on Ukraine like something out of the Weekly Standard....
Jews/Zionists seem to pop up absolutely EVERYWHERE when it comes to the news....
The MSM sees this as a 'lose<>lose' scenario for Putin. I see it as the complete opposite.
The MSM keeps focusing on the KINETIC part of the situation. IE : type of weapon, and who fired it...
I see the opportunity for Putin to share Intel Re; western surveillance and information gathering techniques.