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Ukraine Rebels Find Black Box, Multiple Airlines Halt Routes Over Ukraine: Full MH 17 Update
The plot thickens. Moments ago, after Ukraine emergency services complained the crash probe was being hampered by separatists, it is these same "rebels" that appear to have found a key piece of the puzzle.
- PRO-RUSSIAN SEPARATISTS IN EASTERN UKRAINE SAY THEY HAVE FOUND "BLACK BOX" FLIGHT RECORDER OF DOWNED MALAYSIAN AIRLINER - INTERFAX
The question now is simple: what happens to the black box next, and perhaps more importantly - why anyone thinks a black box will have any information on who shot the missile that allegedly took down flight MH 17.
Here are the other notable updates in the past hour from Bloomberg:
- Putin’s plane may have been target of Ukrainian rocket: Interfax
- Russian President Vladimir Putin’s plane crossed route of crashed Malaysian plane near Warsaw, Interfax reports, citing unidentified person in Russian aviation service.
- Possible that Ukrainian rocket was fired from land or from military plane: Interfax cites source
- Plane that crashed was similar in size, color: Interfax
Obama Says U.S. Trying to Determine if U.S. Citizens on Plane
- Ukraine Crash Kills 23 U.S. Citizens: Interior Ministry Adviser
- Multiple airlines say they’re avoiding airspace in Eastern Ukraine
- Lufthansa to avoid E. Ukraine airspace on shot-down plane
- KLM avoids flying over concerned territory
- Alitalia says all routes over Ukraine, nearby airspace halted
- Aeroflot says flights going around Ukraine: RIA Novosti
- Air France says it’s stopped flying over E. Ukraine
- Turkish Airlines flights to avoid Ukraine airspace: Reuters
- Transaero to avoid flying over Ukrainian territory
- BA says its flights don’t use E. Ukraine airspace
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I'm sure the MH370 black box was ripped from it months ago.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko says his country’s military did not shoot down the plane.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/07/17/ukraine-adviser-malaysian-airlines-jet-shot-down-by-missile-near-ukraine-russia-border/
OK, not the Ukraine military, but was it shot down by your Nazi thugs with red arm-bands?
The "Black Box" just finished his press conference a few minutes ago.
The only aircraft over/into Ukraine will be Ukrainian and US State Department flights.
Japan just suspended flights over Hawaii
American Airlines just suspended flights over Syria
France halted flights over Germany
China routed all flights over Japan
My bet would be on contractors anyway.
This article would strongly point to the rebels, supposedly they boasted on social media of downing an AN-26 right before this story broke. Oops.
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-separatist-leader-boasts-downing-plane/25460930.html
Putin’s plane may have been target of Ukrainian rocket: Interfax
Motive/ Means /Oportunity
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
$10 says the black box gets the I.R.S. treatment... "recycled and destroyed".
FWIW: Euromaidan just tweeted 'intercepted' conversation (in Russian?) of rebels (?) admitting they shot it down by mistake.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/MH17?src=hash
Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skL_1RcLRCA
Can anyone translate?
The black box is likely to have the perp's passport and SIN on it, so we should soon have this mystery solved.
Well, you would think so...
"...
07/17/14. "Boeing" Ukrainian fighter was shot down.
Main.
1. Altogether 3 explosion.
2. Jumped from a sinking aircraft 2 people with parachutes. [<<<<< THIS ]
3. Was recorded Ukrainian plane leaves aside Debalcevo.
Got an eyewitness account ether, which describes the details of the death of the Malaysian "Boeing".
http://cassad.net/category/war/211-podrobnosti-gibeli .. - entry link
..."
Google can't translate the linked page, but it looks like you have to be registered to read.
So somebody was trying to shoot down Putins plane. This is crazy shit.
Stay on the ground Vlad
It is something the chosen ones of the state department would not entrust to the native gentile hilfstruppen, even fellow khazarian race comrades...not saying it's racis...
are you saying they wanted to accidently hit Putins plane...oh boy
If that first bit about Putin's plane is true, then Ukraine is toast.
Spot on! Vengence and Fury...
It would be impossible to prove either way. But yeah, it is about the only link that would make any sense. Notice, it would not be too much of a stretch for a Russian mole inside Ukraine to convince someone that a plane flying over had Putin on board, and it would be easy to imagine the Ukrainian defence forces simply going with it and shooting the plane down, not being smart enough to figure out what happens next, even if they are correct. And frankly not caring at all that they might be wrong.
The guys at the top are not always the smartest monkeys, and it's not all that hard to manipulate them into doing something stupid -- because they are.
And it could still all have been a tragic accident during war times. Wouldn't be the first, not by a long shot (pun intended).
AGAIN...Putin playing Chess and the Western Morons playing paddle ball like on the beach in the Mediterranean.
It wouldn't be the first time Ukarine's military 'accidentally' shot down a civilian airliner:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
Which supports my contention that Ukraine like everywhere else promotes incompetents into positions of responsibility.
You can ask why this happens, but you cannot deny that it is the rule rather than the exception.
[Double Post... ^&%$@#$% website!]
From Interfax:
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Bukov division of Ukrainian Armed Forces re-deployed to Donetsk area yesterday - source (Part 2)MOSCOW. July 17 (Interfax) - According to objective control systems information, the Bukov division of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was re-deployed to the Donetsk area yesterday, an informed source said.
One more Bukov division is currently being loaded in Kharkiv, the source said.
Only 'S' class or Buk [SA-10, SA-17, NATO reporting name Grizzly] family of munitions can hit aircraft at altitudes of over 10 kilometers, the source said.
The militia does not and can not have such arms, the source said.
The Ukrainian party said earlier without holding an investigation and studying crash circumstances that the aircraft was allegedly hit by militia and allegedly from the Buk air defense system.
Meanwhile, leadership of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) said it did not rule out that the Malaysian Airlines Boeing-777 could have been brought down by Ukrainian servicemen. "Very serious clashes are ongoing in the region, where the Boeing crashed. Non-stop gunfire is under way there," DPR First Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Purgin told Interfax.
The militia does not have SA-17 Buk air defense means as Kyiv alleges, Purgin said.
Facts are tough. However, western media has jumped all over this and now claim that Russia shot the plane down.
When SO much is 'known' and considered as 'fact' in just 30 minutes after a major event like this...it reeks of a false flag.
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Btw, anniversary today - July 17, 1996
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
I checked the flightware aircraft tracking site just after ZH posted the link.
At that time the radar track ended near the north western border of Ukraine.
Checking the same page now shows a track that continues across Ukraine to the the crash site. Not sure if this "delayed reporting" is normal for Flightware.
Also the info on Putin's plane being in the area of makes a lot of sense. Ukraine/NATO/ USSA undertake a decapitation attack on Putin but shoot down the wrong aircraft.
Obummer blows it again.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMK
Flightaware's tracking isn't as good as Flightradar24. They showed it tracking farther to the southeast right away.
+ 100
You sir are thinking...
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Check out where this one is heading:
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
http://rt.com/news/173636-buk-malaysian-plane-crash/
In real investigations you question everything, and you leave no stones unturned.
A tell tale sign of collusion in any event is a failure to thoroughly investigate the event after the fact.
You can't make this shit up lol
Free Radio Revolution
or maybe
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/24489586/rebel-site-suggests-i...
Well, as somebody famous once said: That's what happens when you give children bb-guns. Somebody eventually gets their eye shot out.
"You'll shoot your eye out!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleZvTSDC6s
Market justs shrugs it off, there will never EVER be another down day. WWW3 is Bullish!
Just for the record, I'm not flying over the Ukraine either.
I guess ukraine wants to be invaded, if putin died things wouldv turned real ugly in europe. Now to wait for psaki "spin" on the issue should be real funny
"Russian President Vladimir Putin’s plane crossed route of crashed Malaysian plane near Warsaw, Interfax reports"
Anyone believe this?
That would make sense. I'm sure Porky is looking for revenge after his cargo plane was shot down.
That very interesting, I just wonder if he would fly in a unarmed plane without any escort over a not so friendly territory. Well, it looks like we going to a next level.
The pathetic Pro-Russian Separtists did it. Now they are trying to cover their tracks. Putin's phone call was a pre-arranged call. This storyline about his plane flying over the Ukraine is a desparate attempt to deflect world opinion away from Putin.
Absolutely pathetic.
Well, not pathetic if it works.
If it Works? You may converse in "The" Civilized Language but you have a Barbaric heart...
Coming from Interfax? I highly doubt it. They're the official mouthpiece of the Sovi... err, I mean Russian government. Furthermore, Putin is known to travel with up to 4 decoy planes. Even if he really were travelling, it's unlikely the flight path of the exact plane he flying in would have been in that area. One of the decoys maybe, assuming Interfax can be trusted (hint: it can't be trusted!)
Coming from Interfax? I highly doubt it. They're the official mouthpiece of the Sovi... err, I mean Russian government. Furthermore, Putin is known to travel with up to 4 decoy planes. Even if he really were travelling, it's unlikely the flight path of the exact plane he flying in would have been in that area. One of the decoys maybe, assuming Interfax can be trusted (hint: it can't be trusted!)
Coming from Interfax? I highly doubt it. They're the official mouthpiece of the Sovi... err, I mean Russian government. Furthermore, Putin is known to travel with up to 4 decoy planes. Even if he really were travelling, it's unlikely the flight path of the exact plane he flying in would have been in that area. One of the decoys maybe, assuming Interfax can be trusted (hint: it can't be trusted!)
Everything about this entire incident screams: TOO CONVENIENT!
Don't be silly. It screams SOMEBODY FUCKED UP!
Which BTW applies to just about anything.
The weapons capability needed to take down a 777 at 33k suggest there was absolutely nothing "mistaken" about this take down.
It's the missile that goes 33k feet straight up to hit an easy target.
But it's the idiot who casually makes the call to launch it on some hokey intelligence that it's this or that.
Push-button warfare, that's what happens. Paranoid retards can totally fuck up your world -- and not even break a sweat.
I guess ukraine wants to be invaded, if putin died things wouldv turned real ugly in europe. Now to wait for psaki "spin" on the issue should be real funny
The attempt to shoot down Putins plane would not suprise me. I have minimal if any doubt they are actively trying to conjure up methods to assasinate him. He is the largest threat to US/Anglo Hegemony and the dollar reserve status the Elites have ever and will likely ever see.
He brining India and China closer towards Russia and just a whisper of a metals backed currency or commodity basket backed currency ends America as we know it because we have not been taking any of the proper steps to reverse course.
Putin was on the fucking phone with Obama. If you think Putin would fly over that line you're insane.
Timeline as best I can tell:
At 16:21 Moscow time, Putin's plane left Warsaw and was approximately in the same airspace and trajectory as MH-17, which left about 35 minutes earlier. Per RT.
MH-17 was supposed to exit Ukraine airspace and enter Russian airspace at 5:20 local time. Is that the same as Moscow time or 1 or 2 hours ahead?
At 20:30 Moscow time Putin was talking to Obama on a previously scheduled call and he told Obama in a "p.s." that he had just heard air traffic control announce that a Malaysia airline had gone down in Ukraine. Per Putin's website eng.kremlin.ru.
Edit to the edit:
If this was an assassination attempt, the perp missed Putin by only a few minutes. Putin's plane must have crossed right over the flaming wreck. How close can we come to WWIII and still miss?
wow were they trying to assassinate putin?
please....
It was Sad-am trying to kill Putin's father that started another war, wasn't it?
Talk about not believing any side in this disaster. This might be a situation for Swiss or Swedish investigators or whatever country doesn't have a horse in this race. No way I believe anything coming just out of one side or the other. Think black boxes can't be tampered with?
Everyone has a horse in THIS race.
Sweden isn't neutral..think Turkey or Israel instead.
Hahaha. I really hope you're being sarcastic.
How about India or Pakistan
Why Sweden? why those crooks? They always palyed the game in the same team as NATO.
Obama doesn't know about it because, he hasn't turned on the news yet. Still watching the Golf Channel.
"The question now is simple: what happens to the black box next, and perhaps more importantly - why anyone thinks a black box will have any information on who shot the missile that allegedly took down flight MH 17. "
RU gets the black box. are we sure it was a missile?? since when is UE news reliable?
The US monitors the area and will have evidence of whomever shot the missile (or its origin at least).
Of course everyone here will dismiss it if it doesn't fit their narative.
Hmm this may leave a mark...should help the Lawyers though.
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The rebels need to get this into Russia ASAP before it can be tinkered with by the CIA operatives on the ground in the Ukraine. Or maybe it is a fake already planted by the CIA so that the rebels would 'find' it. I find it hard to believe that the Ukrainian government is not 'all over' the crash site.
I saw one of the LifeNews screencaps and the passports seemed to very undamaged...and some even looked cancelled.
KLM flies around Ukraine. That's the long way to Kuala Lumpur. It will take forever to get there.
The timing..hmmm...so many reasons for this to happen, none of which is in the interests of the rebels or Russia.
No shit! They fucked up.
They shot down two other planes (military) over the last few days and thought they'd get a third.
Rebel "cleaners" picking over the scene to collect evidence (e.g. missile fragments) from the crash site.
I predict that they will discover incontrovertable evidence proving the Ukrainian gov was responsible.
Do the Ukrainians use Russian weapons exclusively or have they branched out since they Soviets fell apart?
They build/built a lot of it themselves
So either way it is going to be a "Russian" weapon. Check.
Mostly Soviet, but many Soviet arms were manufactured in Ukraine. That part of the European Peninsula manufatures lots of arms (Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, et cetera)
If it can proved that they were targeting Putin.... Ukraine is fucked!
It can't be, that's why it's a throw-away accusation. Useful for political purposes (or to misdirect attention early on) but nothing else.
RT is loading slowly, it is under ddos attack at this very moment. Other then that, Putin is front running the American propaganda and winning every step of this race. Why? Because Putin is not a nihilist like Emperor Obama, the American Oligarchy and the un-elected North Atlantic Terrorist Organization. At this moment, it's suggested that it was an assassination attempt on Putin. Whether it is/was or not is immaterial to the facts on the ground, Ragnarok is upon us.
They killed Kennedy ... and many others,so all things possible
Nah, dude, you gotta get out more often. It was blamed on that mutant; what's his name, magneto?
All things are not possible. Believe that, and you'll miss paying attention to the important things that are.
Black box.............. Ebay or Craigslist?
Just another piece in the developing puzzle.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/president-putins-plane-might-targ...
Wasn't it to be 20 July?
They have the box...there are actually two I think...but will they ever give them up....they will show if it was a sudden event...a missle..or if it was a malfunction...that said....will they let us see it..that is a pretty big piece of propoganda they have in their hands...
Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerers of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds...Oh lord yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait `till their judgement day comes, yeah!
Now in darkness, world stops turning,
as you hear the bodies burning.
No more war pigs of the power,
hand of god has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, god is calling,
on their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercy for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings...Oh lord, yeah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYyvpGmxZUI
lets enter the wayyyy back machine!!!!
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one...
Who benefits from this?
Only the US.
Just yesterday the USA had to go alone...so ronery...with their sanctions against White debbil Putin.
There should be two red boxes: The Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder.
I wouldn't be surprised if each side finds their own pair in this one...
"Quick, grab the black box and destroy the evidence"
Of course, the Ukraine gov/CIA would only report the absolute truth of what happened regardless of what that truth was. Right?
@obamadepression "Quick, say something idiotic"
Fox News (I know) just now claiming Russia Today is nothing but a propaganda medium for Putin. Oh, the irony.
With all the shit going on there, you would think that the area is closely 'watched' / spied upon by our american 'friends' , I wonder when we are going to see the first satelite images...if ever
OOPS.....
RT: Putin plane target report denied...
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
OOPS.....
RT: Putin plane target report denied...
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
http://www.rferl.mobi/a/ukraine-separatist-leader-boasts-downing-plane/2...
Congratulations Russia, you proved to the Western pussies and to Obami puppet that you have big balls and can easily down any type of Boeing aircraft. A job well done: this is the best marketing for russian anti-aircraft missiles. The western subhumans will learn once and for all to not disrespect the might of Russia, or else.
Now let's play the blame game, but deep down inside every enemy of Russia understand that Russia is a Great country and will not back from using killing force against *any* civilian target to make itself feared. Go Putin!
Oh, you fucking Kremlin stooges here are already preparing the propagaqnda for Putin.
The whole world knows this is the work of your Russian 5th columnists in the East of Ukraine. The missile is Russian provided, no doubt.
How low you people have sunk in your zeal for Russian nationalism. Disgusting.
i would hate to be an RT news anchor right now.
talk about desperation in pushing a ridiculous narrative.
Probably flew over RUssian Nuke train, or confused with Putin plane not bad.
Probably flew over RUssian Nuke train, or confused with Putin plane not bad.
Probably flew over RUssian Nuke train, or confused with Putin plane not bad.
There are two black boxes one for data the other for cockpit voice.
Few countries are able to do it so it will be very interesting as to where they end up for decoding. Maybe in Russia already. No doubt everyone will want to control that! It could be a while tho' as it can take a year to fully decode the data box.
The voice box should be much quicker but, depending on the missile track (if it was one) the pilots might not have seen it coming. As it looks from the wreckage as the fusilage may be in one place meaning that the plane may have lost a wing. The missile is active radar so will not necessarily home in on an engine heat source.
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