Ukraine Rebels Find Black Box, Multiple Airlines Halt Routes Over Ukraine: Full MH 17 Update

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The plot thickens. Moments ago, after Ukraine emergency services complained the crash probe was being hampered by separatists, it is these same "rebels" that appear to have found a key piece of the puzzle.

  • PRO-RUSSIAN SEPARATISTS IN EASTERN UKRAINE SAY THEY HAVE FOUND "BLACK BOX" FLIGHT RECORDER OF DOWNED MALAYSIAN AIRLINER - INTERFAX

The question now is simple: what happens to the black box next, and perhaps more importantly - why anyone thinks a black box will have any information on who shot the missile that allegedly took down flight MH 17.

Here are the other notable updates in the past hour from Bloomberg:

  • Putin’s plane may have been target of Ukrainian rocket: Interfax
    • Russian President Vladimir Putin’s plane crossed route of crashed Malaysian plane near Warsaw, Interfax reports, citing unidentified person in Russian aviation service.
    • Possible that Ukrainian rocket was fired from land or from military plane: Interfax cites source
    • Plane that crashed was similar in size, color: Interfax
      Obama Says U.S. Trying to Determine if U.S. Citizens on Plane
  • Ukraine Crash Kills 23 U.S. Citizens: Interior Ministry Adviser
  • Multiple airlines say they’re avoiding airspace in Eastern Ukraine
  • Lufthansa to avoid E. Ukraine airspace on shot-down plane
  • KLM avoids flying over concerned territory
  • Alitalia says all routes over Ukraine, nearby airspace halted
  • Aeroflot says flights going around Ukraine: RIA Novosti
  • Air France says it’s stopped flying over E. Ukraine
  • Turkish Airlines flights to avoid Ukraine airspace:  Reuters
  • Transaero to avoid flying over Ukrainian territory
  • BA says its flights don’t use E. Ukraine airspace
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:33 | 4969174 Slave
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I'm sure the MH370 black box was ripped from it months ago.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:34 | 4969184 Manthong
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Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko says his country’s military did not shoot down the plane.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/07/17/ukraine-adviser-malaysian-airlines-jet-shot-down-by-missile-near-ukraine-russia-border/

OK, not the Ukraine military, but was it shot down by your Nazi thugs with red arm-bands?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:35 | 4969193 NoDebt
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The "Black Box" just finished his press conference a few minutes ago.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:38 | 4969220 Manthong
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The only aircraft over/into Ukraine will be Ukrainian and US State Department flights.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:43 | 4969250 EverythingEviL
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Japan just suspended flights over Hawaii

American Airlines just suspended flights over Syria

France halted flights over Germany

China routed all flights over Japan

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:45 | 4969264 Patriot Eke
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My bet would be on contractors anyway.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:50 | 4969296 Georgia_Boy
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This article would strongly point to the rebels, supposedly they boasted on social media of downing an AN-26 right before this story broke.  Oops. 

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-separatist-leader-boasts-downing-plane/25460930.html

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:51 | 4969303 svayambhu108
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Putin’s plane may have been target of Ukrainian rocket: Interfax

Motive/ Means /Oportunity

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:56 | 4969329 Killer the Buzzard
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$10 says the black box gets the I.R.S. treatment... "recycled and destroyed".

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:10 | 4969434 Paveway IV
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FWIW: Euromaidan just tweeted 'intercepted' conversation (in Russian?) of rebels (?) admitting they shot it down by mistake.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/MH17?src=hash

Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skL_1RcLRCA

Can anyone translate?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:11 | 4969446 Terminus C
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The black box is likely to have the perp's passport and SIN on it, so we should soon have this mystery solved.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:25 | 4969522 Paveway IV
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Well, you would think so...

 

"...

07/17/14. "Boeing" Ukrainian fighter was shot down. 


Main. 
1. Altogether 3 explosion. 
2. Jumped from a sinking aircraft 2 people with parachutes. [<<<<< THIS ]
3. Was recorded Ukrainian plane leaves aside Debalcevo. 

Got an eyewitness account ether, which describes the details of the death of the Malaysian "Boeing". 

http://cassad.net/category/war/211-podrobnosti-gibeli .. - entry link 

..."

Google can't translate the linked page, but it looks like you have to be registered to read. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:59 | 4969360 Spitzer
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So somebody was trying to shoot down Putins plane. This is crazy shit.

Stay on the ground Vlad

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:58 | 4969346 magpie
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It is something the chosen ones of the state department would not entrust to the native gentile hilfstruppen, even fellow khazarian race comrades...not saying it's racis...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:44 | 4969258 max2205
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are you saying they wanted to accidently hit Putins plane...oh boy

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:36 | 4969212 Pheonyte
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If that first bit about Putin's plane is true, then Ukraine is toast.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:47 | 4969280 Z_End
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Spot on! Vengence and Fury...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:48 | 4969288 cougar_w
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It would be impossible to prove either way. But yeah, it is about the only link that would make any sense. Notice, it would not be too much of a stretch for a Russian mole inside Ukraine to convince someone that a plane flying over had Putin on board, and it would be easy to imagine the Ukrainian defence forces simply going with it and shooting the plane down, not being smart enough to figure out what happens next, even if they are correct. And frankly not caring at all that they might be wrong.

The guys at the top are not always the smartest monkeys, and it's not all that hard to manipulate them into doing something stupid -- because they are.

And it could still all have been a tragic accident during war times. Wouldn't be the first, not by a long shot (pun intended).

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:52 | 4969306 COSMOS
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AGAIN...Putin playing Chess and the Western Morons playing paddle ball like on the beach in the Mediterranean.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:53 | 4969313 Pool Shark
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It wouldn't be the first time Ukarine's military 'accidentally' shot down a civilian airliner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:59 | 4969355 cougar_w
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Which supports my contention that Ukraine like everywhere else promotes incompetents into positions of responsibility.

You can ask why this happens, but you cannot deny that it is the rule rather than the exception.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:56 | 4969317 Pool Shark
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[Double Post... ^&%$@#$% website!]

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:43 | 4969248 WhackoWarner
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From Interfax:

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Bukov division of Ukrainian Armed Forces re-deployed to Donetsk area yesterday - source (Part 2)

MOSCOW. July 17 (Interfax) - According to objective control systems information, the Bukov division of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was re-deployed to the Donetsk area yesterday, an informed source said.

One more Bukov division is currently being loaded in Kharkiv, the source said.

Only 'S' class or Buk [SA-10, SA-17, NATO reporting name Grizzly] family of munitions can hit aircraft at altitudes of over 10 kilometers, the source said.

The militia does not and can not have such arms, the source said.

The Ukrainian party said earlier without holding an investigation and studying crash circumstances that the aircraft was allegedly hit by militia and allegedly from the Buk air defense system.

Meanwhile, leadership of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) said it did not rule out that the Malaysian Airlines Boeing-777 could have been brought down by Ukrainian servicemen. "Very serious clashes are ongoing in the region, where the Boeing crashed. Non-stop gunfire is under way there," DPR First Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Purgin told Interfax.

The militia does not have SA-17 Buk air defense means as Kyiv alleges, Purgin said.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:45 | 4969270 suteibu
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Facts are tough.  However, western media has jumped all over this and now claim that Russia shot the plane down.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:13 | 4969445 BLOTTO
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When SO much is 'known' and considered as 'fact' in just 30 minutes after a major event like this...it reeks of a false flag.

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Btw, anniversary today - July 17, 1996

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:37 | 4969216 sushi
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I checked the flightware aircraft tracking site just after ZH posted the link. 

At that time the radar track ended near the north western border of Ukraine.

Checking the same page now shows a track that continues across Ukraine to the the crash site. Not sure if this "delayed reporting" is normal for Flightware.

Also the info on Putin's plane being in the area of makes a lot of sense. Ukraine/NATO/ USSA undertake a decapitation attack on Putin but shoot down the wrong aircraft.

Obummer blows it again.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMK

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:55 | 4969321 bob_stl
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Flightaware's tracking isn't as good as Flightradar24. They showed it tracking farther to the southeast right away.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:43 | 4969247 Skin666
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+ 100

 

You sir are thinking...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:45 | 4969249 Skin666
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:46 | 4969273 SteveNYC
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:10 | 4969439 Thought Processor
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In real investigations you question everything, and you leave no stones unturned.

 

A tell tale sign of collusion in any event is a failure to thoroughly investigate the event after the fact.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:33 | 4969175 Senduko
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You can't make this shit up lol

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:40 | 4969236 Fuku Ben
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Free Radio Revolution

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:36 | 4969202 NOTaREALmerican
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Well,  as somebody famous once said:  That's what happens when you give children bb-guns.   Somebody eventually gets their eye shot out.   

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:39 | 4969227 NoDebt
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"You'll shoot your eye out!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleZvTSDC6s

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:32 | 4969178 dow2000
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Market justs shrugs it off, there will never EVER be another down day. WWW3 is Bullish!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:33 | 4969179 NOTaREALmerican
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Just for the record, I'm not flying over the Ukraine either.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:34 | 4969186 R3ap3R
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I guess ukraine wants to be invaded, if putin died things wouldv turned real ugly in europe. Now to wait for psaki "spin" on the issue should be real funny

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:34 | 4969187 bearish1
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"Russian President Vladimir Putin’s plane crossed route of crashed Malaysian plane near Warsaw, Interfax reports"

 

Anyone believe this? 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:36 | 4969210 slightlyskeptical
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That would make sense. I'm sure Porky is looking for revenge after his cargo plane was shot down.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:44 | 4969254 WTFisThat
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That very interesting, I just wonder if he would fly in a unarmed plane without any escort over a not so friendly territory. Well, it looks like we going to a next level.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:45 | 4969263 Canucklehead
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The pathetic Pro-Russian Separtists did it.  Now they are trying to cover their tracks. Putin's phone call was a pre-arranged call.  This storyline about his plane flying over the Ukraine is a desparate attempt to deflect world opinion away from Putin.

Absolutely pathetic.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:54 | 4969320 NOTaREALmerican
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Well,  not pathetic if it works.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:25 | 4969926 Canucklehead
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If it Works?  You may converse in "The" Civilized Language but you have a Barbaric heart...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:05 | 4969396 Zuhalter
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Coming from Interfax? I highly doubt it. They're the official mouthpiece of the Sovi... err, I mean Russian government. Furthermore, Putin is known to travel with up to 4 decoy planes. Even if he really were travelling, it's unlikely the flight path of the exact plane he flying in would have been in that area. One of the decoys maybe, assuming Interfax can be trusted (hint: it can't be trusted!)

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:05 | 4969398 Zuhalter
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Coming from Interfax? I highly doubt it. They're the official mouthpiece of the Sovi... err, I mean Russian government. Furthermore, Putin is known to travel with up to 4 decoy planes. Even if he really were travelling, it's unlikely the flight path of the exact plane he flying in would have been in that area. One of the decoys maybe, assuming Interfax can be trusted (hint: it can't be trusted!)

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 15:05 | 4969399 Zuhalter
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Coming from Interfax? I highly doubt it. They're the official mouthpiece of the Sovi... err, I mean Russian government. Furthermore, Putin is known to travel with up to 4 decoy planes. Even if he really were travelling, it's unlikely the flight path of the exact plane he flying in would have been in that area. One of the decoys maybe, assuming Interfax can be trusted (hint: it can't be trusted!)

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 14:34 | 4969188 Jayda1850
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Everything about this entire incident screams: TOO CONVENIENT!

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