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Ukraine Releases YouTube Clip "Proving" Rebels Shot Down Malaysian Flight MH-17

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Almost exactly one year ago, the world was nearly brought to the verge of a global war by proxy involving the US and Russia (and Europe and China) over a staged, false flag YouTube clip "proving" the Assad regime had used toxic gas (gas that was made in Britain as it was later revealed) to kill several hundred civilians in the country's ongoing war against what subsequently turned out to be al-Qaeda funded and trained rebels (and which now are fighting across the border with another former US-puppet state, Iraq). Luckily, back then an all out confrontation was averted in the last minute over what was ultimately nothing but a gambit by Qatar to have its gas pipeline enter Europe and leave Gazprom in the cold (literally and metaphorically).

A year later, it is deja vu all over again, when the same energy and geopolitical tensions (Europe, natural gas, etc) are once again at the frontline, and while the theater of combat may be different, the same key players - Russia and the US - are once again behind the proxy conflict in Ukraine, and where Gazprom is once again the fulcrum party. The only missing link was a YouTube clip which would bring the world to the edge of war again.

Moments ago Ukraine released what may be just that missing "YouTube" link, when it unveiled a 2:23 minute video supposedly proving that "militants of "Bes" group shot down with a Russian anti-aircraft missile a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 passenger jet heading from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur."

In the clip, Ukraine presents what it alleges are several recorded conversations, first of all between a pro-Russian separatist and his coordinator Vasyl Geranin, who is said to be a colonel of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. In summary, this conversation talks about the downing of a jet. There is no distinction whether this is a civilian or a military jet, and may well refer to the shot down Ukrainian Su-25 which we reported earlier today was shot down overnight, and which Ukraine at first claimed had been shot down by a Russian warplane, something which Russia promptly denied hours later (and before the Malaysian Airline tragedy happened).

The purported smoking gun is "revealed" in the second section which begins 43 seconds and lasting one minute in between a "Major" and "Grek" who are also allegedly Russian rebels. It is here that the conversation goes into explicit detail describing the contents of the downed airplane, and makes it clear that it is a civilian airplane, describing the civilian carnage, and stopping just why of naming this a Malaysian Airlines flight.

This is the key segment as it explicitly makes it clear that the plane the alleged separatists in the first part were talking about was not the Su-25 but MH 17. The only problem is that there is absolutely no way to confirm who "Major" and "Grek" are, and considering the entire Ukraine civil war has been merely one provocation and counter-provocation after another, explicitly staged in advance by either the CIA on the side of Kiev or the Kremlin on the Russian side, one does have to wonder whether the said two "smoking gun" participants aren't merely two random people speaking Russian and reading off a script?

The clip concludes with another unnamed "Militant" who supposedly is speaking to Mykola Kozitsyn, one of the purported leaders of the Cossacks operating in east Ukraine. The Militant makes it clear to Kozitsyn that it is not a military plane and has "Malaysian Airlines" written on the side. One wonders just where one could find such writing on the side of the crashed and exploded fuselage but that one is for the forensics to decide.

In other words, if indeed all the participants in this YouTube are as they have been presented, then surely this does put the pro-Russian rebel movement in a very unsavory light.


And yet, something here smells very fishy...

First, the Russian version of the clip which was released in parallel, and shown below, there is a major discrepancy in the time stamp, with the English-dubbed version showing the conversation between Major and Grek taking place at 5:11 pm and 5:32 pm, while the original one has it at 4:33 pm, 5:14 pm and 5:32 pm.

Then there is what gmorder has revealed is either a clearly erroneous creation timestamp, or the video was actually uploaded yesterday.

Finally, we clearly have no way of authenticating the recording or the participants, it was just over a month ago, on June 5, when in another attempt to cast blame and discredit the separatists, Ukraine released another trademark YouTube clip seeking to disparage and frame Kozitsyn, titled "Russian Cossack Formations are Responsible For Chaos In Ukraine."

It was released in Ukraine Investigation where the author writes as follows:

Here’s a transcription of the video where one of the Cossack atamans, Kozitsyn Mykola Ivanovych, discredits himself and gives orders to kill people, promises to transfer weapons and supplies on the territory of Ukraine from Russia and mentions that there are people standing above him. From this point goes the video transcription.

The video from June 5 is shown below. 

What is quite striking is that the production quality is identical between the two clips, in everything from the design, to the scene and caption selection to the layout of the dubbing. All done very professionally. The only thing missing in the original clip is that translation which was conveniently added to today's alleged framing of the same Russian forces - after all it is for global consumption - and the very same "cossack" Kozitsyn. A cossack who, the Ukraine defense ministry would want the world to believe, was so stupid he not only knew he was being recorded (as proven explicitly by the pre-existing June 5 recording release, proving every conversation of his was captured "on tape", something he himself most certainly would be aware of), but would also speak unencrypted and on the record - just like Victoria Nuland did back in February when her leaked recording showed it was the US that was the mastermind behind the Ukraine unrest in the first place - going into gruesome detail of just what kind of plane it is that his men had taken down.

Was he really that stupid? Or is this merely yet another false flag provocation from the same "masterminds" that tried to launch another world war to benefit a few billionaire Qatari emirs with nothing but a YouTube clip in the summer of 2013?

Somehow we doubt we will ever know the true answer, but that is largely irrelevant: the opinion of the world as to who is at fault here is most certainly very much made up by now anyway, and if it isn't, the "unbiased" media will certainly help, even it has nothing but repetitive soundbites and speculation presented as fact, in the coming days.


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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:49 | 4970929 kchrisc
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I wonder if Obama has any more jokes?!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:56 | 4970939 Latina Lover
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FALSE FLAG!  This stinks of another Ukie/USSA provocation trying to set up Russia.  The video proves nothing.  This is the dirty game these criminals play, lying and lying over and over again.  But I bet this time it will not work out quite so well as in the past.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:56 | 4970976 Chupacabra-322
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Let the PsyOp, DisInfo / Misinfo False Narrative Propaganda campaign commence.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:01 | 4971005 DeadFred
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If there hadn't been a video or recording you would have known the Ukes were mot involved since who would pull a false flag without "video" evidence.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:01 | 4971011 Comte de Saint ...
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The Russian Federation has now powerful reasons to invade the whole Ukrainian landmass in order to reestablish order and put an end to this nonsense.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:06 | 4971040 Manthong
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Well, does their media archive also have the Gavrilo Princip and the Black Hand leader conversation just before Gavrilo shot the Archduke?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:18 | 4971104 Ben Ghazi
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Barrack, this is Vladimir.


You put on sanction - we shoot down plane.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:29 | 4971166 Thanatos
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Is this the Malaysian 777 everyone has been looking for?

Just a thought.

While looking at the pictures of the debris, I couldn't help but think of Shanksville and it's debris site(s).

I wonder how a 777 hit by a missile in mid flight can leave much bigger pieces than a slightly smaller craft not hit by a missile?



Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:45 | 4971231 kaiserhoff
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Hot damn.  I want one of those funky hats, with a ZH logo on it.  Got plenty of old band medals to complete the outfit.

Fire up the  jalopy, Wenchly, we're goin' to town.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:55 | 4971285 SMG
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"Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie"  A Perfect Circle

Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie,
I need some more,
Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
Don't ask what for

Sitting here like a loaded gun,
Waiting to go off,
I've got nothing to do,
But shoot my mouth off

Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
I need some more,
Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
Don't ask what for

I know the world's got problems,
I've got problems of my own,
Not the kind that can't be solved,
With an atom bomb

Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
I need some more,
Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
Don't ask what for

You know I'm gonna go out,
Get something for my head,
If I keep on doing this,
I'm gonna end up dead

Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
I need some more,
Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
Don't ask what for
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:28 | 4971447 max2205
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Almost as fast as the WSJ after a Fed minutes release.....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:37 | 4971709 palmereldritch
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.....aaaaaaaaand scene.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:55 | 4971555 JIZ
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Black Flag.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:17 | 4971655 Thought Processor
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Didn't they catch the guys who made the Benghazi Video?


Never mind...........



Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:28 | 4972131 cocoablini
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Wag the dog...wag the dog

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:28 | 4972132 cocoablini
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Wag the dog...wag the dog

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:05 | 4972389 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Benghazi is a witch hunt.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:48 | 4972158 I Drink Your Mi...
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Thanks for pointing that out.

This is the second time this week someone has credited APC with someone else's work.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:45 | 4971233 ZerOhead
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Oh fuck I hope not.

I think someone should check out who made a fortune shorting all that Malaysian Airlines stock over the last couple of months just to make sure they aren't connected to Putin...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:07 | 4971320 Hugh G Rection
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This false flag serves several purposes.


1) Punish Malaysia for speaking out about Israeli war crimes

2) Indict the Russians and push us closer to another bankster World War

3) Provide cover for the Ziopaths to roll into Gaza and genocide with impunity

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:15 | 4971387 Hugh G Rection
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"Flight 93" was shot down also, it's just that the media was head-faked to a smoking hole while the larger portions of Zakheim's refitted 767 were scooped up around Indian Lake.

Flight 93 shootdown

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:27 | 4971442 tony wilson
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use is wong fella flights 93 really happens eye saw der movie eye cried whens gorge cloney says less rolls fellas let der eagle saw once more befores it hit the deck.

der director of flights 93 directed der jason bournes paul greengrasses he a limey queer and mi6 why woods mi6 make stories up.

use on der wong sides of jewish histry on dis one fella

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:39 | 4971498 Hugh G Rection
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And the Malaysian plane was brought down by a blast of wind from Howard Stern's ass.

When it comes to presstitutes, the dumber the better:

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 00:30 | 4972034 Quantum Nucleonics
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Just a matter of speed.  Flight 93 hit the ground at nearly 600 knots.  From the photos, it appears the Malaysia jet broke up in the air and came down under gravity, which would have the pieces traveling 100 - 200 knots at impact.  Big difference.  The 9/11 denier crowd just can't accept reality.  For another example of what happens when jets fly really fast into the ground, checkout SilkAir flight 185.  The captain committed suicide by taking a 737 into a supersonic dive, like UA 93 in disintigrated on impact - and it hit a river.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:11 | 4972398 SAT 800
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You're an idiot.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:03 | 4971327 Volkodav
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:18 | 4971659 Otrader
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:21 | 4971119 Paveway IV
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Not yet, but they could whip one up in a few minutes if need be. Their offshore editing team has been on code orange standby this week. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:52 | 4971266 fleur de lis
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The NWO and planners of WW1 had scheduled the Archduke to be killed that day and kick off the war. They had all the dominoes ready and in place, just waiting for the word go. There were eight Black Hand assassins in Sarajevo that day, all assigned to kill the target. They all shot and missed over a period of two hours, and had the Archduke sought shelter right away he might have foiled their plans. But instead he chose to comfort those who had been injured during the attacks, never thinking that he was a trigger for something much worse. Princip had just walked out of a cafe as the motorcade was passing and took aim. Millions were put to death as a result of that one punk.

If the psychos who control world events were able to plan widespread carnage and manage hell on Earth as a matter of business, anything can be perverted to suit them. Both Malaysian planes, the kids on the border, the Gaza fiasco, the Ukrainian chaos, all of it is just another day at the office for our ruling killers. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:25 | 4971424 RafterManFMJ
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Well, no; pretty close but from memory one guy tossed a gernade that bounced off the Duke's car and blew up another car in the convoy. That guy tried to chew on a cynanide pill - but did not die as it was expired.

Most of the other BH guys lost their nerve. 

The General in charge of the Duke's security gave the command to change the Duke's path through the city (which had helpfully been outlined in the newspapers days in advance) but no one told the driver, who made the fateful turn.

The driver was corrected, and stopped the car in preparation of reversing course...and just happened to stop right in front of the assassin giving him an easy shot.

The assassin also tried his defective pill - and did not die; he also threw himself in the river and found it was only several inches deep.

No death penalty, so he spent some years in prison. Can't recall but I believe he died there.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:45 | 4971517 fleur de lis
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Thanks for the details. They are difficult to find these days. Princip was caught but in an ironic twist he was spared the death penalty because of his age, a law signed by none other than the Archduke. Several of the BH freemasons were caught and confessed. Also the Archduke's regular driver was reassigned that day so he had someone new. Maybe a coincidence and maybe not, I personally believe these crimes are planned in great detail so the plotters probably has something to do with that too. Princip also shot the Archduchess who was four months pregnant. In fact he got her first and while her husband was bleeding beside her he said, "Sophie don't die! Live for the children!"

The complex planning of that crime should have been long since exposed but it is only of late that we can tie all the treachery together. Even so, the depth and breadth of iniquity is astonishing. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:44 | 4971914 QQQBall
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So the driver just happened to stop in front of an assasin?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:15 | 4974152 fleur de lis
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No, the car was in motion, very slow, but Princip had just left a cafe, spotted the target, then emerged from the crowds and kept shooting into the car. A murder of opportunity. He remarked later that he was surprised that the Archduke was still alive at that point, for he thought that the other assassins had already done the deed. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:51 | 4971263 Louie the Dog
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So the Russians shoot down a civilian airliner to have a "powerful reason" to invade the Ukraine.  OK.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:52 | 4972164 Ishan
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This fits the pattern of these scumbags. You identify the "offending party" and then stage or direct an action that is LEAST in that party's interest, while at the same time being most in the interests of the antagonists, the latter of whom all the while claiming that the "offending party" carried it out the evil act purely in pursuit of fulfilling its naturally evil nature. The exact same thing was done in Syria with the chemcial attack fraud. It's so simplistic that a mildly retarded prepubescent could see through it, which shows you the mental capacity of those (none dare say NATO) actually orchestrating these machinations.  

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:52 | 4972165 Ishan
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This fits the pattern of these scumbags. You identify the "offending party" and then stage or direct an action that is LEAST in that party's interest, while at the same time being most in the interests of the antagonists, the latter of whom all the while claiming that the "offending party" carried it out the evil act purely in pursuit of fulfilling its naturally evil nature. The exact same thing was done in Syria with the chemcial attack fraud. It's so simplistic that a mildly retarded prepubescent could see through it, which shows you the mental capacity of those (none dare say NATO) actually orchestrating these machinations.  

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 07:15 | 4972494 LostandFound
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Putin has a hundred reasons to enter Ukraine and stop the genocide without this disaster.

However the EU needs pushing a little bit to continue the sanctions on Russia, this is perfect isnt it..... 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:13 | 4971080 Abi Normal
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We still know nothing...what I wanna know is, why believe the Victoria audio and not this?  Could it be that both are fake, or neither are, or one or the other is?  We don't know jack shit at this point, all hearsay, everything.  TPTB probably look like spinning tops, trying to control this shit.  Where is my popcorn?


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:33 | 4971182 BigRedWall
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I was thinking the same thing as I read the post but I will say one thing...the State Department never denied the recording (to my recollection) they just claimed it was games by the FSB.  Sort of swept it under the rug versus denying.  It will be interesting to see how Russia responds here - do they deny or brush aside?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:39 | 4971208 Abi Normal
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and now the black box is in Russia's hands, we now will never know what happened...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:49 | 4971247 ZerOhead
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Nuland confirmed it by apologizing...

Remember "Fuck the EU?"

Not for staging a coup against a democratically elected government however... seems the MSM somehow missed that part...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:51 | 4971264 Spastica Rex
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If only the CIA had it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:47 | 4971394 fleur de lis
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If the CIA had it we'd be invading Russia next week. The CIA doesn't work for us. They are NWO concubines.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:54 | 4971771 BobPaulson
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Honestly laughed out loud when I read your comment and imagined your icon saying it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:57 | 4971297 jimmytorpedo
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...and the black box would tell you what exactly?

The plane crashed?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:54 | 4971552 tvdog
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The cockpit voice recorder is the important one. That will show that the plane was told to alter course and fly over the Donetsk/Lugansk region.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:59 | 4972251 beaglebog
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ATC are also recorded. There will be a record of all the legitimate exchanges.


Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:10 | 4972395 SAT 800
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There's more than one radio, genius. ATC is on VHF in the clear; the operating company for the airplane maintains an in house link; that may be encoded.  Commercial pilots used to call it "Company Radio".

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:01 | 4971298 fleur de lis
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Sending the black box to Moscow is the only real chance to find out what happened. This is some kind of false flag to either justify attacking Russia or goad them into combat. For sure if DC et al got hold of it you can bet that it would be wiped clean or swapped for some bogus black box to further whatever plan they have cooked up. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:23 | 4972097 The Blank Stare
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You'll find the black boxes right next to those IRS e-mails and Silverstiens insurance policy.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 04:35 | 4972313 Bernoulli
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Could be, but another possibility to consider:

What if the MH370 was recovered and is not on the bottom of the sea? What if the MH370 black box was planted in the MH17 with all the contents "proving" what has to be proven? Then we will soon hear: "We need a transparent and international investigation! Russia, please give us the black box! What did you find on the black box?!".

Please make sure the found black box is really the MH17 black box!!!!

Just saying...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:02 | 4971323 MarsInScorpio
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Oh, and if DC had it, we would?


Are you terminally dumb, or what?


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:21 | 4971419 fleur de lis
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Do you remember 911? Was Russia involved in that or was it DC?  


Are you terminally dumber or what?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 04:34 | 4972311 SoDamnMad
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The black box will tell you nothing but the specs of the aircraft performance, position and then the failure mode depending upon where the missile hit (body, wing, tail). You are going to hear a background cry of "this is a false flag to blame the martians" as the missile hits.  If the pro-separatists shot it down thinking it was another Ukie military airplane so what. The US Navy shot down an Iranian civilian aircraft  and Russia shot down a Korean airliner.  Did you see a country get wiped off the face of the earth for a bad error?  Shit happens. They tried to save a few bucks flying over a wor zone. BIG mistake.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:34 | 4971188 ILLILLILLI
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Nuland pretty much confirmed the phone call...and the U.S. State department hasn't denied it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:58 | 4971293 Son of Captain Nemo
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:56 | 4971294 Son of Captain Nemo
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In Jen "Psycho's" words ...that the Russians were very clever in intercepting an unencrypted phone conversation. The most damning thing that anyone at DOS could have said to confirm it's authenticity.  They couldn't retract it once it was taped.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:56 | 4971291 Omen IV
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This is going to get down to the Obamabots versus the Putinistas

Who do you believe?

The bots have no choice - once they don't believe - they have to do something - so they will never go anywhere but for the shearing as Sheeple

Obama and the CIA have Amateurs on the ground- these Fascists are transparently Lame

My take is Obama won't push the Germans with this "evidence"

Too fucking stupid !

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:56 | 4971292 Omen IV
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This is going to get down to the Obamabots versus the Putinistas

Who do you believe?

The bots have no choice - once they don't believe - they have to do something - so they will never go anywhere but for the shearing as Sheeple

Obama and the CIA have Amateurs on the ground- these Fascists are transparently Lame

My take is Obama won't push the Germans with this "evidence"

Too fucking stupid !

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:01 | 4971583 Cathartes Aura
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Who do you believe?

don't "believe" any one.  learn to watch with belief suspended, pay attention without taking a "side" - it's the only way to remain open to the possibility of finding germs of truth amidst the massive influx of lies.

once your mind settles on a side to believe, you're history.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:11 | 4972183 zhandax
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Not only that, but it's unlikely we will ever definitively know.  Eyewitnesses to something on this scale seem rather accident prone.  Consider the Archduke example above; details are now coming forth a hundred years later.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:31 | 4972424 SAT 800
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Depends on your definition of "we"; and definitively. The public, no; they'll never "know" anything; they can't think, they don't want to think, and they just suck TV Tit for mental nourishment. But it wouldn't surprise me if some enterprised person was able to identify the guy who pushed the fire button on the SAM battery with say, a few months. But it will remain marginalized information, no matter how tight the logic and how good the documentation; strictly for the "other one percent"; the one percent who spend the time and energy to look for answers and recognize them when they find them; people who have no influence on anyone in Washington or Virginia, and never get on mainstream TV.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:11 | 4972347 SemperFudge
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In the spirit of letting the psy-op propaganda campaign commence... Why were 100 scientists attending an HIV conference shot down? Message from Putin? Psy-op false flag from Obama?

We report, you decide FUCKERS. How many more airspaces will be made "unavailable" in the years to come I wonder?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:03 | 4971026 Kirk2NCC1701
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Newsflash:  Local high school chemistry teacher claims that plane parts and body parts fell into his backyard pool.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:12 | 4971077 salvadordaly
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Agreed False Flag. This evidence coming from a youtube video to gain as much steam and traction as quickly as possible. Our fucking government is as low as they get. Collapse is coming soon, need a fall guy. I wonder if this video was made by the same guy that started the whole Benghazi fiasco with his video?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:46 | 4971240 MFL8240
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Russia has no interest in the Ukraine except the port they already have.  The US on the other hand having been brused aside by Russia, Germany, Syria, Iran,  Iraq, China , India and Brazil needs a war to keep the US dollar a viable currency given Obama has alinated the US from everyone on the planet.  This fool needs to go now no more time Mr. Bonier!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:15 | 4971089 Rearden-Steel
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At this point all you can do is brace for impact. Our course is locked in.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:17 | 4971098 sunnydays
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bodies intact, no blood or burn marks on them.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:36 | 4971485 vlad335
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Yeah, plane was shot down from 33,000 feet and the bodies appear to be pretty much intact. Hell, since when does the MSM even show bodies from a plane crash? Answer: NEVER!

Complete and utter bullshit!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:58 | 4971784 booboo
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Well lets not go batshit crazy here, first of all a SAM hitting a 777 does not disinegrate the plane on impact and three hundred bodies falling from the sky do not vaporize when they hit the ground. I'm sure many were still strapped in their seats and died of asphyxiation. You have a point with the photo's of bodies but even then there are bodies, they are just covered up in your standard high visible yellow tarps. Every event has it's own dynamics. Pan Am 103 in Lockerbie made a crater the size of a football field and 40 deep and yet bodies were strewn over miles of Scotlands terrain. "The first casualty in war is the truth."

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 03:22 | 4972276 Stranded Observer
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Or here's a video of bodies trashed, burnt, and otherwise fucked up (Warning:  gruesome):

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:29 | 4971143 F0ster
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If I was Russia knowing that the CIA and Isreal had been caught trying to cover up a high jacked Malaysia Airlines Airplane and then detected one flying over a war zone towards my border,I'd probably give the order to shoot it down too. Who knows what it's payload could be.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:29 | 4971165 Renewable Life
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Everyone knows by now, you can't commit genocide and ethnically cleanse an area you want to control for its resources or strategic economic importance, without making the inhabitants of that area, Monsters!

Mission Accomplished! Roll the tanks, kill the men and round up the women and children, the succession of East Ukraine is over!!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:53 | 4971279 crazzziecanuck
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Let's wait and see how the State Department's "trajectory analysis" of the rockets is released before we make any determinations.


Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:34 | 4972144 roadlust
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The truth always smells "fishy" to conspiracy nuts (and Russians). 

Oswald didn't kill Kennedy.

Muslims didn't fly planes into the WTC.

Obama is a Kenyan.

Hitler didn't kill Jews.

Trees cause more "pollution" than cars.

Russian fighters in Ukraine bragging about shooting down a big plane didn't really shoot it down.  (Or the other planes they've shot down in the last month.) 

Maybe it's pesticides in food.  You'd think this level of mass retardation would've been bred out of the human animal thousands of years ago...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:15 | 4972405 SAT 800
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Of course it's a false flag; and it's a very, very, simple one. who was the operator who turned the key switch and pushed the fire button? Who'd he work for. That's where the chain of causation is; that's where Cui Bono is. It's exactly the kind of dirty ugly idea that certain people in the CIA come up with.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:56 | 4970983 DaddyO
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Two Hundred + bodies scattered over the country side is no joke!

Obama and those who handle him are wickedly evil, wouldn't you agree?


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:55 | 4971265 Abitdodgie
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When the Lockerbie bombing happened, they found no above 30,000 feet 'Bodies' freeze as they fall and they shatter when they hit the ground so no bodies were ever found at the Lockerbie bombing.  Malaysia Flight 370 disappered then suddenly a Malaysia plane is shot down at 33, 000 feet and crashes into a convienient containment area where "Bodies" are identified as bodies.  So, 6.25 miles UP in the air, a plane breaks up and the bodies make it to the ground with the wreckage intact minus bits, there is no way there would be a crash site as the debrie would be spread over 30 miles exactly like Lockerbie.  I will say this is what happened to Flight 370.  They shot one down and crashed one in a containment area for pictures and PRESS thus disguisting both flights as one!

I have had a couple of Stellla's but this my thoughts!!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:04 | 4971600 Cathartes Aura
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you've had more than a "couple of Stella's" there dude.

The Lockerbie Experience

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:45 | 4971919 booboo
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No, the cockpit was intact and some of the crew were alive after impact but died within minutes, they must have thawed out;)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 03:31 | 4972284 Stranded Observer
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I up-arrowed you for the laugh.  Bodies have time to freeze completely solid at 33,000 feet and shatter into bits upon impact!  Ha!  Everybody knows they thaw out again once they drop below 15,000 feet.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:07 | 4971610 R3ap3R
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He will think that he has evidence against russia now just like when he had those blurry photos of bearded men that looked russian. I'm sick and tired of ukraine acting like their shit dont stank and if someone smells something its not them its russia

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:49 | 4970931 stacking12321
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militant of BES group?

i just KNEW banco espirito santo was going to blow up!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:48 | 4971228 Abi Normal
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heh, if you look on the blaze you will see the biggest punking of a MSNBC 'analyst' that you will ever see, a must watch...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:50 | 4970932 zorba THE GREEK
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I could make a film proving Micky Rooney shot the plane down. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:12 | 4971074 sodbuster
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Mickey Rooney???? Oh NO!!! Say it ain't so!!!!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:27 | 4971153 onthesquare
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Isreal starts land invasion into the Gaza strip and we only can talk about downed airline in another fucked up part of the world.  The death toll will make 290 look like nothing.

Coincidence:  flight 370 and this one are owned by the same airline.  This will make sure that their is no random airline selectioin so all the other airlines are safe. 

Happy flying, but stay away from Malysian airlines. 

Did you know that Mal means bad in french?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:38 | 4971203 magpie
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Malingsia Land of Thieves in Indonesian

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:33 | 4971461 Infinite QE
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I'd wager it's parts are spread around the `crash site'.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:23 | 4971431 Boomberg
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:22 | 4971120 ebworthen
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Have him do a Cossack accent and proclaim he is an Orthodox Christian; the atheists and the fascists will eat it up.

Never mind the Huns, it's the Cossacks we have to fear!  And the Muslims!  And the Muslims fighting the Muslims!

Quick, more money to RAND Corporation and Boeing, and the rest of the M.I.C.!

We won't be safe until all these terrorists are eliminated!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:51 | 4971262 pods
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Freedom will only be available through death!

Praise the Lord, pass the ammunition, God wants us to go to war.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:49 | 4971533 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Given that Mickey died a while back that would have to be one hell of a film!



Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:36 | 4972367 Winston Churchill
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Usama gave speeches for 10 years after he died in 2001,

We have a precedent.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:50 | 4970933 Chupacabra-322
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The real question that should be asked is who filed the flight plan, and why was it over the Ukraine at that time? This could be determined rather quickly, and it would shed some light on who knew that plane would be there.
My personal opinion is that it was the World bank renewing their campaign against Russia and the BRICS bank that was signed into existence yesterday. Behind every dirty war is a banker.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:01 | 4971012 Rootin' for Putin
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While i havent looked recently, there has been no change in air traffic over Ukraine in general since this started.  I did notice more N registered small business jets than i expected but i dont know how many were around a year ago to compare it to.

The flight plan, was probably just along the regular airway. i dont have any hi charts for that area to be sure though.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:18 | 4971101 RaceToTheBottom
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I thought there was some broohaha a few weeks ago about some Russian government official having trouble flying out of Ukraine.  That would indicate some escalation of flying rules since it has started, not just recent days.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:22 | 4971122 Rootin' for Putin
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Yes there was.  No russian gov flights were being allowed i think is the case.  The guy got stuck in Romania or something.  Thats just politicians being dicks to each other. For civil aviation it wouldnt matter.   It certainly wouldnt show up in a NOTAM or anything.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:30 | 4971168 Paveway IV
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The airspace over that part of Ukraine was only restricted at flight levels below something like 32,000 ft due to the conflict - MH17 was about a thousand feet higher. Lots of commercial flights have continued to cross over that part of Ukraine. Nothing unusual about the planned path or altitude. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:06 | 4971270 Cacete de Ouro
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The MH17 flight altered course today by flying a lot further north within Ukraine compared to its various flight paths earlier in the week, which within Ukraine had flown over Crimea.

See below:

MH17 was flying at a distinctly more northerly flight route than usual today (17th) and now over Crimea. Could it have been misled to have been told 'don't fly over Crimea today but fly more northerly'?

July 14th flight path

July 16th flight path

July 17th flight path (a lot further north within Ukraine)

The question is why did MH17 have it's flight path altered to the north on 17th and who planned/actioned/authorized/implemented this change?

This needs to be investigated, and there will be attempts to bury these details as we speak

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:21 | 4971417 Rootin' for Putin
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That is a little odd


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:50 | 4970940 Infinite QE
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Putin needs to release the Michael Obama footage about now. On ziotube of course.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:32 | 4971181 toady
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Zero has a relative named Mike? Was he the shooter?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:52 | 4970954 Beard of Zeus
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:53 | 4970955 IREN Colorado
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Why the heck would an airline troll for SAM missiles over an area that had seen the shooting down of a cargo plane and a combat aircraft, in the same damn week? Also, who would buy a ticket on an airline that literally loooses a plane and 300 passengers over an ocean that wasn't even on the flight plan?

Either the universe ran out of "common sense" or this is teotwawki! Am I missing something?


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:53 | 4970968 kowalli
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collateral damage

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:06 | 4971037 mjcOH1
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"Why the heck would an airline troll for SAM missiles over an area that had seen the shooting down of a cargo plane and a combat aircraft, in the same damn week? "

Someone looking to save money on fuel.   You pays your money and takes your chances....


"Also, who would buy a ticket on an airline that literally loooses a plane and 300 passengers over an ocean that wasn't even on the flight plan?"

Someone looking to save money on airfare.   You pays your money and takes your chances.....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:45 | 4971518 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Very true.  Plus the passengers save big on all their future flights as well.  Very frugal.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:10 | 4971062 Abitdodgie
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A SAM will only go to 6500m so that rules that one out , whoever did it has good missile tech and east ukraine is not one of them , however west ukraine (America ) does.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:24 | 4971134 nonclaim
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East of "east ukraine" may also have good tech, you know. Ukraine is full of East of "east ukraine" equipment anyway, so why not put it to "good" use.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:01 | 4971315 Louie the Dog
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East Ukraine (Russia) 'has good missle tech' also, comrade.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:25 | 4971435 Paveway IV
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BUK SA-17s have about a 30 mile (50 km) engagement range at altitudes from near-ground to 80,000 ft (25,000m). Ukranian S-300 variants have a 50 or 100 mile engagenemt range at altitudes of up to 100,000 ft. Well within range of either system, but way beyond what a shoulder-fired SAM could touch.

The Ukranian Air Force has about a dozen brigade- and regiment-sized air defense units, so maybe 30 or so SAM batallions. The DNI seperatists took over a Ukranian anti-aircraft site (Unit A-1402, a BUK batallion) at the end of June. A BUK batallion consists of transport-erector-launcher vehicles, acquisition and tracking radar vehicles and command and communication vehicles. 

If the Ukranians were dumb enough not to disable the systems before abandoning them AND a the local Donetsk militia were able to figure out how to acquire and track targets on a complex system and arm/launch a SA-17 missile in three weeks, then - by some miracle - they may have been able to hit an aircraft.

Much more likely: MH17 was within the range of multiple Ukranian air defense S-300 and SA-17 batallions in Eastern Ukraine. If MH17 was intercepted by two Ukranian AF fighters and 'escorted' by them for a while before being shot down, then either they shot it down or a trained Ukranian air defense battalion took it out. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:55 | 4971546 Jorgen
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A SAM will only go to 6500m so that rules that one out

(Unless you meant MANPAD's), Buk SAMs go up to 25 km (25,000m/15.5 miles) according to Wikipedia:

Basic missile system specifications

    Target acquisition range (by TAR 9S18M1, 9S18M1-1)

        range: 140 –
        altitude: 60 meters – 25 kilometers (197 feet - 15.5 miles)

    Firing groups in one division: up to 6 (with one command post)
    Firing groups operating in a sector

        90° in azimuth, 0–7° and 7–14° in elevation
        45° in azimuth, 14–52° in elevation

    Radar mast lifting height (for TAR 9S36): 21 meters
    Reloading of 4 missiles by TEL from itself: around 15 minutes
    Combat readiness time: no more than 5 minutes
    Kill probability (by one missile): 90–95%
    Target engagement zone


            altitude: 15 meters – 25 kilometers (50 feet - 15.5 miles)
            range: 3–42 kilometers (1.9-12.4 miles)

        tactical ballistic missiles

            altitude: 2.0–16 kilometers (1.2-9.9 miles)
            range: 3–20 kilometers (1.9-12.4 miles)

        sea targets: up to 25 kilometers (15.5 miles)
        land targets: up to 15 kilometers (9.3 miles)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:45 | 4973622 IREN Colorado
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This reply is to abitdodgie,

Dude, you are clearly an idiot. As has been clearly reported in both western and Russian Media, they were bragging about it on Twitter you dumb-A$$! They captured the system when Putin sent them into East Ukraine and they used them this fracking week to shoot down an SU 25 Frogfoot and an AN20 cargo plane. 

Again since you are a complete tool for Putin, THEY ARE ADMITTING this as fact you stupid ignorant tool!

This system is quite capable. It can hit targets up to 70,000 feet or about 22,000 meters. West Ukraine also has this system but their launchers are all accounted for. The Ruskies and their drunk "rebels" have gone to ground but their launchers have been busy all week.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:52 | 4970956 kowalli
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they changed the route of flight just for today and the plane was shot down today, weird?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 08:18 | 4972632 Itch
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Don't you think its also weird that there were 300+ passenger planes flying over that area every day, and yet they choose to shoot that particular plane down? Isn't is also strange that out of all those daily flights, a proportion of them would have changed flight paths regularly due to the fluid nature of flying a passenger aircraft long distances?  Umm, very strange.

It's almost as if there wasn't a few retards in charge of a BOK and didn't shoot a random plane from the sky because they hadn't been trained. It's almost as if two-bit toothless plebes were never given sophisticated weaponry and decided to shot down little dots in the sky. Because it's really implausible that that happened, isn't is? 

More like the CIA did it. More like the CIA, in conjunction with the Ukrainians, London, the bankers, the Israelis, the Saudis, the Dutch, the Malaysians and the people falling out of the sky, they are all in on it ,again (the utter utter bastards). But they'll never beat Putin ( he plays chess ), he plays it so well that now 99.999% of Ukraine hate his guts...that's in his plan though, he plans all this stuff like the CIA plan stuff. Plans it all...ts all a plan. Watch his little Russian eye as he winks at you, he has it all worked out.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:54 | 4970965 overmedicatedun...
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fox tv is banging the war drums.".no matter who shot the plane down, we need to go after putin" Putin did it!!

I for one say fuck your war, fuck your souls ...never again will the elite reptiles suck us in for cannon fodder. be warned.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:27 | 4971147 SmallerGovNow2
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Let's go to war with fucking Mexico for not sealing their mother fucking borders...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:30 | 4971173 pods
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I had my ear in the Matrix today (comments on the local TV rag) and lemme tell you, this shit gets eaten up with a spoon and they ask for seconds.

Although most here would not fall for this, at least emotionally, the population at large does.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:54 | 4970967 Cognitive Dissonance
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Finally the smoking! /sarc

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:54 | 4970970 Rootin' for Putin
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(c) usaid 2014

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:56 | 4970979 1stepcloser
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They had the proof yesterday, the CIA confirmed it

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:40 | 4971218 Chupacabra-322
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Absolutely! Those sick fucks just needed to tweak the False Narrative Script a little.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:57 | 4970984 Lmo Mutton
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False Flag.

I don't care if I hear about a cat stuck in a tree, its a false flag. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 03:06 | 4972257 JuliaS
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Watched RT for a while today. They are in full damage control mode. Regardless of who did what, Russia understands what the implications are. They gasp as straws, blaming the flight path, noting similarities to Putin's plane that actually wasn't even close to the crash site (no country leader would send his plane over a war zone). Then there are attempts to blame Kozaks who weren't supposedly officially associated with separatists (ie. were doing their own uncoodrinated thing).

This is one chess move to which Russia has no immediate comeback. Maybe they'll get their hands on the black box and examine and releast or falsify the records (if they don't reveal useful information). This is a dirty game, so anything goes. NATO/US are pullinng BRICS into WW3. I say, anything that delays or prevents it is the best option, even if lying is involved.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:58 | 4970989 Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, Hollywood can create ANY movie effect it wants to, in this digital era.

Waiting for the Super-HD 'Zapruder' version (old-fashioned film).

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:00 | 4971004 craus
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MH17's last flight

Daily flights occurred over the same Ukrainian airspace.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:02 | 4971009 At120
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"Why the hell was it flying [there]?  There's a war going on."


Guess the savings in fuel was worth losing a $200 million aircraft, eh, Malaysia Air?



Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:19 | 4971109 Abitdodgie
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200 million this is not a F35 , well a wing at that price.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:02 | 4971016 salvadordaly
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Arizona Republican Sen. Jon McCain reacted to the crash with deep-seated anger.

'It's an outrageous and incredible act of terrorism,' he said, according to Roll Call. 'People [should] be held responsible, and not only the people directly responsible, but indirectly,'


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:40 | 4971499 Tuco Benedicto ...
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John McCain is an "A.I.N.O"  (American in Name Only). 

Hey John!  You want World War III so bad please lead the charge you globaist prick!!!!!!!



Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:02 | 4971018 realWhiteNight123129
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Accident. They shot down a civilian plane by accident. They had no intent to shoot down a civilian plane.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:06 | 4971041 stacking12321
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cia/blackwater doesn't make mistakes like this, it was intentional

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:53 | 4971274 Milestones
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I find an "Accident" explanation very iffy. Plane was crusing at about 10 Klicks uo or appx. 35,000 feet--normal flight level for international flights. You would think that any reasonable officer would know that and pause long and hard before pulling the trigger.

Further, normal fighter jets are well below that alttitude and if a bomber it would certainly way too high to do it's job!!

Something stinks is granted, but sheer idiocy is a whole differennt matter.

Accident? Possibility--but this senerio makes it highly unlikely UNLESS --- Let you put in your own thoughts.           Milestones 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:03 | 4971020 eofarrell
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It is sad to see this capitulation; but the fight goes on; the dream will nevr die.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:03 | 4971021 3rd Pig
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Possible False Flag scenario - Malaysian airliner MH370 turns up three months late over Ukraine to be shot down and called MH17 – if that was the case you wouldn’t need passengers onboard - & it would look a bit like a Sandy Hook massacre in the sky.


Just speculating here folks – I know how creepy these bastards are.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:05 | 4971029 magpie
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The Flying Sandy Hook...das fliegende Klassenzimmer ?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:10 | 4971050 Kirk2NCC1701
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Which is why I asked Tyler for the Passenger and Cargo manifest...  Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:55 | 4970947

The other reason, is to determine if the political waves that this genereates, could mask an additional reason for downing THIS plane.  I learned a long time ago the power of the Magician's Trick:  Distraction here, Action there.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:15 | 4971090 magpie
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They still have 47 unknown passengers, lots of spiel in the story left. You know, like post 9/11 i can board a plane unknown like

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:06 | 4971343 ILLILLILLI
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Is the Boeing 777-2H6(ER) 28416/155 still stored at TLV?




Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:06 | 4971023 Son of Captain Nemo
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Lets all hope and pray our illustrious President is so utterly embarrassed by the fact he's been exposed from "Day 1" of of this unparalleled "blowback fiasco" in the illegal overthrow of Ukraine's government that (he is as of this writing) sitting comfortably in the Lincoln bedroom fashioning six feet of rope for a hanging himself in the White House bedroom closet.

Per your usual ZH.

Job well done on the enormous find again!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:38 | 4971205 pods
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Wait, like hanging himself like the Kung Fu guy?

Ugh, pass the eyebleach.


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:04 | 4971024 Luckhasit
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"One wonders just where one could find such writing on the side of the crashed and exploded fuselage but that one is for the forensics to decide."

That's all you have to say about this. Let's see what's later on revealed. To early to say anything.  Just like the chemical weapons in Syria, this will be swept under the rug and forgotten in the main stream.

If there only was an instance in the past, where a covert government agency is alledged to taking down a plane.. oh wait!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:04 | 4971027 magpie
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We are at the oil rig worker sees burning wreckage at the horizon stage...carry on to the i have seen the manpad on google earth up the landing at secret taliban airstrip level etc etc

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:16 | 4971028 ZerOhead
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From the Telegraph 12 hours ago pertaining to the Ukrainian military An-26 shot down earlier...


"Valery Heletey, the Ukrainian Defence Minister, said at the time the An-26 was almost certainly a surface-to-air missile fired from the Russian side of the border.

Increasingly sophisticated weaponry has appeared in separatist hands in recent weeks, including tanks, Grad multiple rocked launchers, and at least one tracked Strela-10 surface-to-air missile launcher which rebels said was responsible for downing the AN-26.

Mr Heletey said the AN-26 was flying at 6,500 meters when it was downed – nearly twice the ceiling of the Strela-10. Rebel spokesmen said it was actually flying much lower." 


And from RT News...


IHS Jane’s Defense analyst, Nick de Larrinaga, also shared the belief that the self-defense forces lack the capability to bring the Malaysian plane down.

“At normal cruising altitude a civilian passenger aircraft would be out of the range of the sort of manned portable air (defense) systems that we have seen proliferate in rebel hands in east Ukraine,”
he said in a statement.

But the aircraft would be within range of Buk or other medium-range surface-to-air missile systems, he stressed.

“Both Russia and Ukraine have such SAM systems in their inventories,” the expert added.

It seems unlikely that the self-defense forces could’ve used Buk surface-to-air missile systems to down the Malaysian plane, retired Brig. Gen. Kevin Ryan, the director of the Defense and Intelligence Project at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, said.

“It takes a lot of training and a lot of coordination to fire one of these and hit something,”
he told CNN. “This is not the kind of weapon a couple of guys are going to pull out of a garage and fire.”

According to Ryan, if the plane was really taken down then it was done by a professional military force.


They are trying to make you believe that the rebels have weapon systems capabilities they simply don't have. 

Only the Russian or the Ukrainians could have shot this airliner down. 

So who has the motive?

Who benefits?

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