Ukraine Releases YouTube Clip "Proving" Rebels Shot Down Malaysian Flight MH-17

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Almost exactly one year ago, the world was nearly brought to the verge of a global war by proxy involving the US and Russia (and Europe and China) over a staged, false flag YouTube clip "proving" the Assad regime had used toxic gas (gas that was made in Britain as it was later revealed) to kill several hundred civilians in the country's ongoing war against what subsequently turned out to be al-Qaeda funded and trained rebels (and which now are fighting across the border with another former US-puppet state, Iraq). Luckily, back then an all out confrontation was averted in the last minute over what was ultimately nothing but a gambit by Qatar to have its gas pipeline enter Europe and leave Gazprom in the cold (literally and metaphorically).

A year later, it is deja vu all over again, when the same energy and geopolitical tensions (Europe, natural gas, etc) are once again at the frontline, and while the theater of combat may be different, the same key players - Russia and the US - are once again behind the proxy conflict in Ukraine, and where Gazprom is once again the fulcrum party. The only missing link was a YouTube clip which would bring the world to the edge of war again.

Moments ago Ukraine released what may be just that missing "YouTube" link, when it unveiled a 2:23 minute video supposedly proving that "militants of "Bes" group shot down with a Russian anti-aircraft missile a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 passenger jet heading from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur."

In the clip, Ukraine presents what it alleges are several recorded conversations, first of all between a pro-Russian separatist and his coordinator Vasyl Geranin, who is said to be a colonel of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. In summary, this conversation talks about the downing of a jet. There is no distinction whether this is a civilian or a military jet, and may well refer to the shot down Ukrainian Su-25 which we reported earlier today was shot down overnight, and which Ukraine at first claimed had been shot down by a Russian warplane, something which Russia promptly denied hours later (and before the Malaysian Airline tragedy happened).

The purported smoking gun is "revealed" in the second section which begins 43 seconds and lasting one minute in between a "Major" and "Grek" who are also allegedly Russian rebels. It is here that the conversation goes into explicit detail describing the contents of the downed airplane, and makes it clear that it is a civilian airplane, describing the civilian carnage, and stopping just why of naming this a Malaysian Airlines flight.

This is the key segment as it explicitly makes it clear that the plane the alleged separatists in the first part were talking about was not the Su-25 but MH 17. The only problem is that there is absolutely no way to confirm who "Major" and "Grek" are, and considering the entire Ukraine civil war has been merely one provocation and counter-provocation after another, explicitly staged in advance by either the CIA on the side of Kiev or the Kremlin on the Russian side, one does have to wonder whether the said two "smoking gun" participants aren't merely two random people speaking Russian and reading off a script?

The clip concludes with another unnamed "Militant" who supposedly is speaking to Mykola Kozitsyn, one of the purported leaders of the Cossacks operating in east Ukraine. The Militant makes it clear to Kozitsyn that it is not a military plane and has "Malaysian Airlines" written on the side. One wonders just where one could find such writing on the side of the crashed and exploded fuselage but that one is for the forensics to decide.

In other words, if indeed all the participants in this YouTube are as they have been presented, then surely this does put the pro-Russian rebel movement in a very unsavory light.

 

And yet, something here smells very fishy...

First, the Russian version of the clip which was released in parallel, and shown below, there is a major discrepancy in the time stamp, with the English-dubbed version showing the conversation between Major and Grek taking place at 5:11 pm and 5:32 pm, while the original one has it at 4:33 pm, 5:14 pm and 5:32 pm.

Then there is what gmorder has revealed is either a clearly erroneous creation timestamp, or the video was actually uploaded yesterday.

Finally, we clearly have no way of authenticating the recording or the participants, it was just over a month ago, on June 5, when in another attempt to cast blame and discredit the separatists, Ukraine released another trademark YouTube clip seeking to disparage and frame Kozitsyn, titled "Russian Cossack Formations are Responsible For Chaos In Ukraine."

It was released in Ukraine Investigation where the author writes as follows:

Here’s a transcription of the video where one of the Cossack atamans, Kozitsyn Mykola Ivanovych, discredits himself and gives orders to kill people, promises to transfer weapons and supplies on the territory of Ukraine from Russia and mentions that there are people standing above him. From this point goes the video transcription.

The video from June 5 is shown below. 

What is quite striking is that the production quality is identical between the two clips, in everything from the design, to the scene and caption selection to the layout of the dubbing. All done very professionally. The only thing missing in the original clip is that translation which was conveniently added to today's alleged framing of the same Russian forces - after all it is for global consumption - and the very same "cossack" Kozitsyn. A cossack who, the Ukraine defense ministry would want the world to believe, was so stupid he not only knew he was being recorded (as proven explicitly by the pre-existing June 5 recording release, proving every conversation of his was captured "on tape", something he himself most certainly would be aware of), but would also speak unencrypted and on the record - just like Victoria Nuland did back in February when her leaked recording showed it was the US that was the mastermind behind the Ukraine unrest in the first place - going into gruesome detail of just what kind of plane it is that his men had taken down.

Was he really that stupid? Or is this merely yet another false flag provocation from the same "masterminds" that tried to launch another world war to benefit a few billionaire Qatari emirs with nothing but a YouTube clip in the summer of 2013?

Somehow we doubt we will ever know the true answer, but that is largely irrelevant: the opinion of the world as to who is at fault here is most certainly very much made up by now anyway, and if it isn't, the "unbiased" media will certainly help, even it has nothing but repetitive soundbites and speculation presented as fact, in the coming days.

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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:49 | 4970929 kchrisc
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I wonder if Obama has any more jokes?!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:56 | 4970939 Latina Lover
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FALSE FLAG!  This stinks of another Ukie/USSA provocation trying to set up Russia.  The video proves nothing.  This is the dirty game these criminals play, lying and lying over and over again.  But I bet this time it will not work out quite so well as in the past.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:56 | 4970976 Chupacabra-322
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Let the PsyOp, DisInfo / Misinfo False Narrative Propaganda campaign commence.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:01 | 4971005 DeadFred
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If there hadn't been a video or recording you would have known the Ukes were mot involved since who would pull a false flag without "video" evidence.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:01 | 4971011 Comte de Saint ...
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The Russian Federation has now powerful reasons to invade the whole Ukrainian landmass in order to reestablish order and put an end to this nonsense.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:06 | 4971040 Manthong
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Well, does their media archive also have the Gavrilo Princip and the Black Hand leader conversation just before Gavrilo shot the Archduke?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:18 | 4971104 Ben Ghazi
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Barrack, this is Vladimir.

 

You put on sanction - we shoot down plane.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:29 | 4971166 Thanatos
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Is this the Malaysian 777 everyone has been looking for?

Just a thought.

While looking at the pictures of the debris, I couldn't help but think of Shanksville and it's debris site(s).

I wonder how a 777 hit by a missile in mid flight can leave much bigger pieces than a slightly smaller craft not hit by a missile?

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:45 | 4971231 kaiserhoff
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Hot damn.  I want one of those funky hats, with a ZH logo on it.  Got plenty of old band medals to complete the outfit.

Fire up the  jalopy, Wenchly, we're goin' to town.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:55 | 4971285 SMG
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"Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie"  A Perfect Circle

Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie,
I need some more,
Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
Don't ask what for

Sitting here like a loaded gun,
Waiting to go off,
I've got nothing to do,
But shoot my mouth off

Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
I need some more,
Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
Don't ask what for

I know the world's got problems,
I've got problems of my own,
Not the kind that can't be solved,
With an atom bomb

Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
I need some more,
Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
Don't ask what for

You know I'm gonna go out,
Get something for my head,
If I keep on doing this,
I'm gonna end up dead

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I need some more,
Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
Don't ask what for
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:28 | 4971447 max2205
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Almost as fast as the WSJ after a Fed minutes release.....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:37 | 4971709 palmereldritch
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.....aaaaaaaaand scene.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:55 | 4971555 JIZ
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Black Flag.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:17 | 4971655 Thought Processor
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Didn't they catch the guys who made the Benghazi Video?

 

Never mind...........

 

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:28 | 4972131 cocoablini
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Wag the dog...wag the dog

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:28 | 4972132 cocoablini
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Wag the dog...wag the dog

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:05 | 4972389 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Benghazi is a witch hunt.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:48 | 4972158 I Drink Your Mi...
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Thanks for pointing that out.

This is the second time this week someone has credited APC with someone else's work.

Philistines!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:45 | 4971233 ZerOhead
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Oh fuck I hope not.

I think someone should check out who made a fortune shorting all that Malaysian Airlines stock over the last couple of months just to make sure they aren't connected to Putin...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:07 | 4971320 Hugh G Rection
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This false flag serves several purposes.

 

1) Punish Malaysia for speaking out about Israeli war crimes

2) Indict the Russians and push us closer to another bankster World War

3) Provide cover for the Ziopaths to roll into Gaza and genocide with impunity

http://zionismsucks.com/2014/07/17/israel-invades-gaza/

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:52 | 4971544 ILLILLILLI
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:15 | 4971387 Hugh G Rection
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"Flight 93" was shot down also, it's just that the media was head-faked to a smoking hole while the larger portions of Zakheim's refitted 767 were scooped up around Indian Lake.

Flight 93 shootdown

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:27 | 4971442 tony wilson
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use is wong fella flights 93 really happens eye saw der movie eye cried whens gorge cloney says less rolls fellas let der eagle saw once more befores it hit the deck.

der director of flights 93 directed der jason bournes paul greengrasses he a limey queer and mi6 why woods mi6 make stories up.

use on der wong sides of jewish histry on dis one fella

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:39 | 4971498 Hugh G Rection
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Lol.

And the Malaysian plane was brought down by a blast of wind from Howard Stern's ass.

When it comes to presstitutes, the dumber the better:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/07/msnbc-duped-by-prank-plane-c...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 00:30 | 4972034 Quantum Nucleonics
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Just a matter of speed.  Flight 93 hit the ground at nearly 600 knots.  From the photos, it appears the Malaysia jet broke up in the air and came down under gravity, which would have the pieces traveling 100 - 200 knots at impact.  Big difference.  The 9/11 denier crowd just can't accept reality.  For another example of what happens when jets fly really fast into the ground, checkout SilkAir flight 185.  The captain committed suicide by taking a 737 into a supersonic dive, like UA 93 in disintigrated on impact - and it hit a river.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:11 | 4972398 SAT 800
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You're an idiot.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:03 | 4971327 Volkodav
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stupid

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:18 | 4971659 Otrader
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Very

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:21 | 4971119 Paveway IV
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Not yet, but they could whip one up in a few minutes if need be. Their offshore editing team has been on code orange standby this week. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:52 | 4971266 fleur de lis
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The NWO and planners of WW1 had scheduled the Archduke to be killed that day and kick off the war. They had all the dominoes ready and in place, just waiting for the word go. There were eight Black Hand assassins in Sarajevo that day, all assigned to kill the target. They all shot and missed over a period of two hours, and had the Archduke sought shelter right away he might have foiled their plans. But instead he chose to comfort those who had been injured during the attacks, never thinking that he was a trigger for something much worse. Princip had just walked out of a cafe as the motorcade was passing and took aim. Millions were put to death as a result of that one punk.

If the psychos who control world events were able to plan widespread carnage and manage hell on Earth as a matter of business, anything can be perverted to suit them. Both Malaysian planes, the kids on the border, the Gaza fiasco, the Ukrainian chaos, all of it is just another day at the office for our ruling killers. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:25 | 4971424 RafterManFMJ
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Well, no; pretty close but from memory one guy tossed a gernade that bounced off the Duke's car and blew up another car in the convoy. That guy tried to chew on a cynanide pill - but did not die as it was expired.

Most of the other BH guys lost their nerve. 

The General in charge of the Duke's security gave the command to change the Duke's path through the city (which had helpfully been outlined in the newspapers days in advance) but no one told the driver, who made the fateful turn.

The driver was corrected, and stopped the car in preparation of reversing course...and just happened to stop right in front of the assassin giving him an easy shot.

The assassin also tried his defective pill - and did not die; he also threw himself in the river and found it was only several inches deep.

No death penalty, so he spent some years in prison. Can't recall but I believe he died there.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:45 | 4971517 fleur de lis
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Thanks for the details. They are difficult to find these days. Princip was caught but in an ironic twist he was spared the death penalty because of his age, a law signed by none other than the Archduke. Several of the BH freemasons were caught and confessed. Also the Archduke's regular driver was reassigned that day so he had someone new. Maybe a coincidence and maybe not, I personally believe these crimes are planned in great detail so the plotters probably has something to do with that too. Princip also shot the Archduchess who was four months pregnant. In fact he got her first and while her husband was bleeding beside her he said, "Sophie don't die! Live for the children!"

The complex planning of that crime should have been long since exposed but it is only of late that we can tie all the treachery together. Even so, the depth and breadth of iniquity is astonishing. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:44 | 4971914 QQQBall
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So the driver just happened to stop in front of an assasin?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:15 | 4974152 fleur de lis
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No, the car was in motion, very slow, but Princip had just left a cafe, spotted the target, then emerged from the crowds and kept shooting into the car. A murder of opportunity. He remarked later that he was surprised that the Archduke was still alive at that point, for he thought that the other assassins had already done the deed. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:51 | 4971263 Louie the Dog
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So the Russians shoot down a civilian airliner to have a "powerful reason" to invade the Ukraine.  OK.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:52 | 4972164 Ishan
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This fits the pattern of these scumbags. You identify the "offending party" and then stage or direct an action that is LEAST in that party's interest, while at the same time being most in the interests of the antagonists, the latter of whom all the while claiming that the "offending party" carried it out the evil act purely in pursuit of fulfilling its naturally evil nature. The exact same thing was done in Syria with the chemcial attack fraud. It's so simplistic that a mildly retarded prepubescent could see through it, which shows you the mental capacity of those (none dare say NATO) actually orchestrating these machinations.  

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:52 | 4972165 Ishan
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This fits the pattern of these scumbags. You identify the "offending party" and then stage or direct an action that is LEAST in that party's interest, while at the same time being most in the interests of the antagonists, the latter of whom all the while claiming that the "offending party" carried it out the evil act purely in pursuit of fulfilling its naturally evil nature. The exact same thing was done in Syria with the chemcial attack fraud. It's so simplistic that a mildly retarded prepubescent could see through it, which shows you the mental capacity of those (none dare say NATO) actually orchestrating these machinations.  

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 07:15 | 4972494 LostandFound
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Putin has a hundred reasons to enter Ukraine and stop the genocide without this disaster.

However the EU needs pushing a little bit to continue the sanctions on Russia, this is perfect isnt it..... 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:13 | 4971080 Abi Normal
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We still know nothing...what I wanna know is, why believe the Victoria audio and not this?  Could it be that both are fake, or neither are, or one or the other is?  We don't know jack shit at this point, all hearsay, everything.  TPTB probably look like spinning tops, trying to control this shit.  Where is my popcorn?

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:33 | 4971182 BigRedWall
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I was thinking the same thing as I read the post but I will say one thing...the State Department never denied the recording (to my recollection) they just claimed it was games by the FSB.  Sort of swept it under the rug versus denying.  It will be interesting to see how Russia responds here - do they deny or brush aside?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:39 | 4971208 Abi Normal
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and now the black box is in Russia's hands, we now will never know what happened...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:49 | 4971247 ZerOhead
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Nuland confirmed it by apologizing...

Remember "Fuck the EU?"

Not for staging a coup against a democratically elected government however... seems the MSM somehow missed that part...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:51 | 4971264 Spastica Rex
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If only the CIA had it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:47 | 4971394 fleur de lis
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If the CIA had it we'd be invading Russia next week. The CIA doesn't work for us. They are NWO concubines.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:54 | 4971771 BobPaulson
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Honestly laughed out loud when I read your comment and imagined your icon saying it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:57 | 4971297 jimmytorpedo
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...and the black box would tell you what exactly?

The plane crashed?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:54 | 4971552 tvdog
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The cockpit voice recorder is the important one. That will show that the plane was told to alter course and fly over the Donetsk/Lugansk region.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:59 | 4972251 beaglebog
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ATC are also recorded. There will be a record of all the legitimate exchanges.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:10 | 4972395 SAT 800
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There's more than one radio, genius. ATC is on VHF in the clear; the operating company for the airplane maintains an in house link; that may be encoded.  Commercial pilots used to call it "Company Radio".

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:01 | 4971298 fleur de lis
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Sending the black box to Moscow is the only real chance to find out what happened. This is some kind of false flag to either justify attacking Russia or goad them into combat. For sure if DC et al got hold of it you can bet that it would be wiped clean or swapped for some bogus black box to further whatever plan they have cooked up. 

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