US Intelligence Confirms Malaysian Jet Brought Down By Surface-To-Air Missile

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Details are starting to come together. The WSJ reports that US Intelligence detected a surface missile launch and tracked the explosion of the plane.

  • *U.S. INTELLIGENCE SAYS SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE FIRED PLANE: WSJ

However, Intelligence Community Divided Over Whether Missile From Russia or E. Ukraine.

As WSJ earlier noted,

If the Malaysia Airlines passenger jet that crashed in eastern Ukraine was shot down — as US Intelligence has now confirmed — attackers would have had to use a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system, not the shoulder-fired weapons that are more accessible and easier to use.

 

Those weapons, nicknamed manpads, have been used in attacks against commercial aircraft in the past. But their range is much lower than the approximately 30,000-feet cruising altitude at which the Ukrainian official said Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, a Boeing carrying 295 passengers and crew, was flying.

Manpads in use...

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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:32 | 4969966 Liberal
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Then it MUST BE true!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:35 | 4969985 NuckingFuts
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A lot of problems loading ZH. Anyone else? What's up?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:36 | 4969998 SoberOne
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We can detect surface to air missiles, but we can't recover Lois Lerner's emails?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:44 | 4970035 Major Major Major
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Nor can we detect actual airplanes that go missing

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:50 | 4970067 Fukushima Sam
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The conspiracist in me is keeping an eye on this one... seems a bit too coincidental that this is the same airline and model as the plane that recently disappeared...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:58 | 4970109 Lost My Shorts
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Non-conspiracy theory:  the separatists were feeling like hot stuff for being able to shoot down Ukrainian government planes, and got carried away and hit a foreign passenger plane by mistake.

But if it wasn't so simple, then you have to wonder why they chose a plane from a minor country like Malaysia instead of something more dramatic like a major European airline (all of which also flew that route until today).

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:09 | 4970134 negative rates
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:16 | 4970451 stacking12321
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the event happened probably as an excuse for santions or military action against russia or ukranian separatists.

as far as who really did it, i wouldn't be surprised to find out CIA or blackwater/Xe were involved.

as far as why picking on malaysia airlines, i would look into things like:

1) has anyone heavily shorted or bought put options on them recently?

2) has malaysia airlines done anything to piss off the americans?

3) who will end up buying malaysia airlines on the cheap (article claims they were in financial straits before these 2 incidents)?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:32 | 4970528 0b1knob
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Perhaps it was a French missle.  Like this one.  Oh wait....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-q_kIf1zbI

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:49 | 4970621 kaa1016
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Just heard that today is the 18 year anniversary of TWA Flight 800...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:54 | 4970650 The Alarmist
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Sounds almost too twilight zone ... maybe it was space alients (occam's razor).

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:01 | 4971316 Anusocracy
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Operation Northwoods.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:20 | 4970804 GeezerGeek
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The FBI did all it could to disparage eyewitness accounts telling of something ascending from the surface and intersecting with that aircraft's path. Why should we believe the feds now when they were so off base then? TWA-800 was a Boeing 747-100. This was a Boeing 777. Is it safe to be on a Boeing that's not on the ground?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:45 | 4971920 Ranting Troglodyte
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Another one brought down by a missile....

 

 

Just a lot harder to play that one off on some "separatists ".

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:03 | 4970714 Sirius Wonderblast
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Interesting Obama took the opportunity threaten Putin again today. Given Putin's been several mves ahead all through this crisis, praps they thought they'd try something totally random? I see the numerologists are having a field day, btw. This stinks like rotting fish. I await the response - if any - with interest.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:16 | 4970453 The Alarmist
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Cui bono?  There's no upside to the separatists doing this.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:11 | 4970138 BLOTTO
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Exactly, when the controlled MSM announces who, what, where, why and how - in 30 minutes of a major event like this...it has false flag smeared all over it.

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Info for consideration from Jimstone site:

Heads up: Flightradar24.com which is the defining site for flight history says MH17 was canceled and never departed, with no departure time listed. Hmmm . . . . . Good cover for flight 370? Not enough substance to make a call on that one, but this is something to make note of at least. The site is down now, possibly overwhelmed? That is OK, I got a photograph of this.

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UPDATE: Flight "MH17" was being escorted by two fighter jets up until shoot down, which would be PERFECT if it was in fact a zombie flight 370 under remote control to its final death. This is covered more farther down the page.

http://jimstonefreelance.com/

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:37 | 4970262 general ambivalent
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Yeah, I don't like the current jumping to conspiracy conclusions on every event, but damn, the media has quite a narrative on this one.

If not a false flag this is one of the worst possible coincidences in history I think. And what does that tell you? Almost certainly a false flag.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:18 | 4971105 nope-1004
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It's no coincidence.  Thousands of planes fly everyday throughout Europe.  My local media outlet said "now we just have to figure out if the Ukraine or Russians did this".

lol.

Can't be the US led banker cabal, the same banker cabal that NEEDS USD reserve status, brought down the twin towers, and is clearly pissed at Putin.  Who had motive?  Who is behind in the global energy race and global energy deals?  Kinda obvious, no?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:07 | 4974806 mkkby
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Yeah, this stinks. 

Intelligence was able to find, interpret and report on their data in under 30 minutes. 

Then they were able to get internal clearance to go to the media.

Then in that same half hour they were able to call friendly media, and get them on the phone.  Those reporters didn't need any time to write and publish their story.  It just goes from thought to paper/web instantly.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:35 | 4970480 NoPantsSpongeBob
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Or an indirect admission that US intelligence is numerous and active in Ukraine.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:29 | 4970837 giovanni_f
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us intelligence = oxymoron

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:59 | 4970687 AgeOfJefferson
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Yep you're right. This flight was CANCELLED as per http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mh17/. I got a screenshot just in case. What is the background of this website - anyone know? Are they and the data officially recognized? Any MSM showing this. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:16 | 4971096 post turtle saver
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all it means is that air traffic control at Kuala Lumpur / WMKK didn't send an arrival message for the flight... this is expected given circumstances... the flight was shown as in air and on time earlier today...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:45 | 4972232 Davalicious
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The flight was cancelled with extreme prejudice.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:07 | 4970141 negative rates
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Okay Einstien, can you tell us why?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:19 | 4970196 what's that smell
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US Intelligence Confirms Malaysian Jet Brought Down By Surface-To-Air Missile

us intelligence? confirms? the lying mudderfudders (whoever they are) will say anything without shame or remorse.

can you say "sock puppet"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)

is zerohedge a sock puppet?---like reuters or the wall screed journal or moody's or obama or bush?

"zerohedge reports us intelligence (who?) confirms (how?) something".........

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:40 | 4970275 schnydz
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hahahaha...wow slow the fuck down cowboy! ZH is just following the bread crumbs. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:07 | 4970143 Spitzer
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What about the reports that said that the Rebeles on both sides don't have the fire power to get to 33000 feet ?

And that Putins plane is identical." Oh those reports were false. " wee better hope they are false. Otherwise this is going to get nasty

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:13 | 4970185 pcrs
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Malasia is pivot in joining the TPP agreement or the ASEAN trade agreement.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:23 | 4971429 UnpatrioticHoarder
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Agreed, Malaysia would be one of Zbigniew Brzezinski's pivot states on the Grand Chessboard

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:05 | 4970135 Thought Processor
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ZH servers have been getting hammered over the last couple of hours.  Not normal volume at all.  Way out of line.   All the signs of an ongoing DNS attack, back up servers as well.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:30 | 4970842 GeezerGeek
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Were those HFT workstations retasked to attack ZH rather than levitate the DOW? Clearly the DOW missed their assistance today.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:11 | 4970169 Thought Processor
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ZH servers have been getting hammered over the last couple of hours.  Not normal volume at all.  Way out of line.   All the signs of an ongoing DNS attack, back up servers as well.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:25 | 4971432 UnpatrioticHoarder
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Tyler should archive up everything and sell it on a DVD for when TSHTF - which would be about now.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:11 | 4970170 Not Too Important
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It is a common aircraft:

"The 777 has received more orders than any other wide-body airliner; as of February 2014, 60 customers had placed orders for 1,548 aircraft of all variants, with 1,178 delivered."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777

Although Malaysian Air does seem to be in the thick of it . . .

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:12 | 4970180 Thought Processor
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ZH servers have been getting hammered over the last couple of hours.  Not normal volume at all.  Way out of line.   All the signs of an ongoing DNS attack, back up servers as well.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:57 | 4970072 Fukushima Sam
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Oops, duplicate.  .gov thought control bots must be spamming the site.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:53 | 4970080 SWRichmond
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U.S. INTELLIGENCE SAYS SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE FIRED PLANE

They should know, they ordered it fired, and there were two operatives standing there when the patsy fired it...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:29 | 4970829 GeezerGeek
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I doubt it was a single patsy. Maybe a false-flag team?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:05 | 4970136 Paveway IV
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Sure sign of a false flag: steering the social media conversation often and early with the first supposed intelligence agency reports.

First at the gate: Ukranian Intelligence supposedly intercepts this phone conversation: http://pastebin.com/d4quutU6

Followed up an hour or so later by half-assed supposed U.S. intelligence to fit the narrative.

It's no longer a question of *IF* some governments will attempt to direct discussion on the internet for flase flags, it's only a matter of who does it first with the most effect. Western oligarchs will make sure everyone stays on message: "...Putin killed children on MH-17 (and refuses to obey the USD banking overlords) = NATO must intervene in Ukraine and fight Russian aggression.

Dear NSA/CIA: Seriously?? That's all you fucks can come up with on an eighty-billion dollar budget? We may have to look closely into outsourcing your jobs in the future - Sorry!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:34 | 4970252 db51
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Probably because search assets are busy looking for Obama's golf balls that end up in the rough.  

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:04 | 4970396 Da Yooper
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wink

 

wink

 

nod

 

nod


Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:29 | 4970517 DaveyJones
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and NORAD has a serious problems with diverted civillian planes in September

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 19:20 | 4970796 Quantum Nucleonics
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Setting aside conspiracy theories for a moment... The detection of the missile and the plane over Ukraine was likely by an early launch sattelite called SBIRS GEO2.  It stares at the earth with an infrared camera, detecting very bright IR signatures to detect the launch of missiles.  The sattelite wouldn't have been able to detect the plane except at the moment when the missile's warhead hit the plane, likely setting off a jet fuel explosion.  Also, it's pretty easy to keep track of commercial jets as long as their transponder and sattelite links are working.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:44 | 4970036 MidwestJester
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Oh, they CAN recover them, but they don't WANT to....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:46 | 4970048 maskone909
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i am too much of a pussy to fly. 

you couldnt pay me enough money to fly a malaysian flight.

you couldnt pay me enough money to fly a malaysian flight over UKRAINE!

 

rip to the poor souls. 

they didnt deserve it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 16:55 | 4970090 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, maskone909,

They did not deserve it.

 

Don't like flying?  Try Air Xanax.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 17:14 | 4970186 maskone909
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haha thanks dochen but it would have to be a helluva lot more stronger than that.

im thinking IV dilaudid or some of that michael jackson juice

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:42 | 4970578 Otrader
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' I pitty the fool who drugged me.  How the heck did I get here Hannibal?" - Mr. T

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