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US Intelligence Confirms Malaysian Jet Brought Down By Surface-To-Air Missile
Details are starting to come together. The WSJ reports that US Intelligence detected a surface missile launch and tracked the explosion of the plane.
- *U.S. INTELLIGENCE SAYS SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE FIRED PLANE: WSJ
However, Intelligence Community Divided Over Whether Missile From Russia or E. Ukraine.
As WSJ earlier noted,
If the Malaysia Airlines passenger jet that crashed in eastern Ukraine was shot down — as US Intelligence has now confirmed — attackers would have had to use a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system, not the shoulder-fired weapons that are more accessible and easier to use.
Those weapons, nicknamed manpads, have been used in attacks against commercial aircraft in the past. But their range is much lower than the approximately 30,000-feet cruising altitude at which the Ukrainian official said Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, a Boeing carrying 295 passengers and crew, was flying.
Manpads in use...
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Then it MUST BE true!
A lot of problems loading ZH. Anyone else? What's up?
We can detect surface to air missiles, but we can't recover Lois Lerner's emails?
Nor can we detect actual airplanes that go missing
The conspiracist in me is keeping an eye on this one... seems a bit too coincidental that this is the same airline and model as the plane that recently disappeared...
Non-conspiracy theory: the separatists were feeling like hot stuff for being able to shoot down Ukrainian government planes, and got carried away and hit a foreign passenger plane by mistake.
But if it wasn't so simple, then you have to wonder why they chose a plane from a minor country like Malaysia instead of something more dramatic like a major European airline (all of which also flew that route until today).
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the event happened probably as an excuse for santions or military action against russia or ukranian separatists.
as far as who really did it, i wouldn't be surprised to find out CIA or blackwater/Xe were involved.
as far as why picking on malaysia airlines, i would look into things like:
1) has anyone heavily shorted or bought put options on them recently?
2) has malaysia airlines done anything to piss off the americans?
3) who will end up buying malaysia airlines on the cheap (article claims they were in financial straits before these 2 incidents)?
Perhaps it was a French missle. Like this one. Oh wait....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-q_kIf1zbI
Just heard that today is the 18 year anniversary of TWA Flight 800...
Sounds almost too twilight zone ... maybe it was space alients (occam's razor).
Operation Northwoods.
The FBI did all it could to disparage eyewitness accounts telling of something ascending from the surface and intersecting with that aircraft's path. Why should we believe the feds now when they were so off base then? TWA-800 was a Boeing 747-100. This was a Boeing 777. Is it safe to be on a Boeing that's not on the ground?
Another one brought down by a missile....
Just a lot harder to play that one off on some "separatists ".
Interesting Obama took the opportunity threaten Putin again today. Given Putin's been several mves ahead all through this crisis, praps they thought they'd try something totally random? I see the numerologists are having a field day, btw. This stinks like rotting fish. I await the response - if any - with interest.
Cui bono? There's no upside to the separatists doing this.
Exactly, when the controlled MSM announces who, what, where, why and how - in 30 minutes of a major event like this...it has false flag smeared all over it.
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Info for consideration from Jimstone site:
Heads up: Flightradar24.com which is the defining site for flight history says MH17 was canceled and never departed, with no departure time listed. Hmmm . . . . . Good cover for flight 370? Not enough substance to make a call on that one, but this is something to make note of at least. The site is down now, possibly overwhelmed? That is OK, I got a photograph of this..
UPDATE: Flight "MH17" was being escorted by two fighter jets up until shoot down, which would be PERFECT if it was in fact a zombie flight 370 under remote control to its final death. This is covered more farther down the page.
http://jimstonefreelance.com/
Yeah, I don't like the current jumping to conspiracy conclusions on every event, but damn, the media has quite a narrative on this one.
If not a false flag this is one of the worst possible coincidences in history I think. And what does that tell you? Almost certainly a false flag.
It's no coincidence. Thousands of planes fly everyday throughout Europe. My local media outlet said "now we just have to figure out if the Ukraine or Russians did this".
lol.
Can't be the US led banker cabal, the same banker cabal that NEEDS USD reserve status, brought down the twin towers, and is clearly pissed at Putin. Who had motive? Who is behind in the global energy race and global energy deals? Kinda obvious, no?
Yeah, this stinks.
Intelligence was able to find, interpret and report on their data in under 30 minutes.
Then they were able to get internal clearance to go to the media.
Then in that same half hour they were able to call friendly media, and get them on the phone. Those reporters didn't need any time to write and publish their story. It just goes from thought to paper/web instantly.
Or an indirect admission that US intelligence is numerous and active in Ukraine.
us intelligence = oxymoron
Yep you're right. This flight was CANCELLED as per http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mh17/. I got a screenshot just in case. What is the background of this website - anyone know? Are they and the data officially recognized? Any MSM showing this.
all it means is that air traffic control at Kuala Lumpur / WMKK didn't send an arrival message for the flight... this is expected given circumstances... the flight was shown as in air and on time earlier today...
The flight was cancelled with extreme prejudice.
Okay Einstien, can you tell us why?
us intelligence? confirms? the lying mudderfudders (whoever they are) will say anything without shame or remorse.
can you say "sock puppet"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)
is zerohedge a sock puppet?---like reuters or the wall screed journal or moody's or obama or bush?
"zerohedge reports us intelligence (who?) confirms (how?) something".........
hahahaha...wow slow the fuck down cowboy! ZH is just following the bread crumbs.
What about the reports that said that the Rebeles on both sides don't have the fire power to get to 33000 feet ?
And that Putins plane is identical." Oh those reports were false. " wee better hope they are false. Otherwise this is going to get nasty
Malasia is pivot in joining the TPP agreement or the ASEAN trade agreement.
Agreed, Malaysia would be one of Zbigniew Brzezinski's pivot states on the Grand Chessboard
ZH servers have been getting hammered over the last couple of hours. Not normal volume at all. Way out of line. All the signs of an ongoing DNS attack, back up servers as well.
Were those HFT workstations retasked to attack ZH rather than levitate the DOW? Clearly the DOW missed their assistance today.
ZH servers have been getting hammered over the last couple of hours. Not normal volume at all. Way out of line. All the signs of an ongoing DNS attack, back up servers as well.
Tyler should archive up everything and sell it on a DVD for when TSHTF - which would be about now.
It is a common aircraft:
"The 777 has received more orders than any other wide-body airliner; as of February 2014, 60 customers had placed orders for 1,548 aircraft of all variants, with 1,178 delivered."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777
Although Malaysian Air does seem to be in the thick of it . . .
ZH servers have been getting hammered over the last couple of hours. Not normal volume at all. Way out of line. All the signs of an ongoing DNS attack, back up servers as well.
Oops, duplicate. .gov thought control bots must be spamming the site.
U.S. INTELLIGENCE SAYS SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE FIRED PLANE
They should know, they ordered it fired, and there were two operatives standing there when the patsy fired it...
I doubt it was a single patsy. Maybe a false-flag team?
Sure sign of a false flag: steering the social media conversation often and early with the first supposed intelligence agency reports.
First at the gate: Ukranian Intelligence supposedly intercepts this phone conversation: http://pastebin.com/d4quutU6
Followed up an hour or so later by half-assed supposed U.S. intelligence to fit the narrative.
It's no longer a question of *IF* some governments will attempt to direct discussion on the internet for flase flags, it's only a matter of who does it first with the most effect. Western oligarchs will make sure everyone stays on message: "...Putin killed children on MH-17 (and refuses to obey the USD banking overlords) = NATO must intervene in Ukraine and fight Russian aggression.
Dear NSA/CIA: Seriously?? That's all you fucks can come up with on an eighty-billion dollar budget? We may have to look closely into outsourcing your jobs in the future - Sorry!
Probably because search assets are busy looking for Obama's golf balls that end up in the rough.
wink
wink
nod
nod
and NORAD has a serious problems with diverted civillian planes in September
Setting aside conspiracy theories for a moment... The detection of the missile and the plane over Ukraine was likely by an early launch sattelite called SBIRS GEO2. It stares at the earth with an infrared camera, detecting very bright IR signatures to detect the launch of missiles. The sattelite wouldn't have been able to detect the plane except at the moment when the missile's warhead hit the plane, likely setting off a jet fuel explosion. Also, it's pretty easy to keep track of commercial jets as long as their transponder and sattelite links are working.
Oh, they CAN recover them, but they don't WANT to....
i am too much of a pussy to fly.
you couldnt pay me enough money to fly a malaysian flight.
you couldnt pay me enough money to fly a malaysian flight over UKRAINE!
rip to the poor souls.
they didnt deserve it.
Yes, maskone909,
They did not deserve it.
Don't like flying? Try Air Xanax.
haha thanks dochen but it would have to be a helluva lot more stronger than that.
im thinking IV dilaudid or some of that michael jackson juice
' I pitty the fool who drugged me. How the heck did I get here Hannibal?" - Mr. T
You really have to wonder what the airliners are/were thinking flying that route. An An-26 cargo plane was shot down in the same area at 21k feet just a couple days ago.
Same here. Last 90 minutes or so I've gotten the Drupal screen on and off.
ZH understimated the public interest in this site on the very day when the shit really hits the fan.
I guess spending the Advertising money on HOOKERS and BLOW in Korfu and Mallorca is a better return on investment than extra bandwidth....eh Tylers LOL
Well, damn, Tyler, hold a raffle so one of us can go with you! :-)
No problems! Everything is FINE! Nothing to see here!
Now keep talking about this news story and don't worry about Gaza...
http://zionismsucks.com/2014/07/17/israel-invades-gaza/
I guess when the White House said the world was more tranquil, they meant Obama was on tranquilizers...
He had no choice...Hard to come down after smoking an 8 ball.
Have a look at the read numbers for main articles. Zh running this story ahead of the curve = massive server load.
Why couldn't a DNS attack exhibit the same symptoms?
Occam's Razor is the most likely response.
Anytime Drudge posts a ZH link, this site wilts.
It could. Just depends if you're wearing your tin-foil hat or not...
I think DNS attacks are usually used as a type of dumb DOS attack. You're still hitting the backend server when you get the 'website offline' message, so there's no problem with calling and hitting the site, just seems that the webserver part of (drupal, is it?) isn't serving up the page.
Would the pages be counting views if an attack was underway? Not sure, could be, they seem higher than normal, but this seems concurrent with a higher than normal comment response.
In my experience, for whatever that's worth, webservers screw up quite a lot when you push them a bit (and it's unlikely ZH has a lot of fancy load balancing like CNN), but you're generally considered to be quite stupid if you're not at least a little suspicious. In the end, all the host needs to do is check the firewall logs.
Neither outcome would surprise me in the least though. Especially on such a fucked up day.
It really is a fucked up day.
It's a very unusual news day and there's probably just a lot more traffic than usual. Remember, the entire internet went screeching to a halt when Michael Jackson died simply from people trying to find out if the news was true.
This should be a lesson to all of us. When the S really does HTF, the internet will not be working. Not only will everyone pile up online and clog the servers, but governments around the world will go into full electronic warfare mode and large sections of the net (including social media) will be shut down as a matter of protocol. The internet is far too complex, fragile, vulnerable, and leaky to survive a global conflict. Enjoy it while you can, but be prepared to live without it.
it will still work if you use peer to peer
The great Johnny Winters dies......
double pene
Happening to me as well. Wonky. Site not available. all the usual suspects I think.
Happening to me as well. Wonky. Site not available. all the usual suspects I think.Maybe NSA,Brits, Canuck "intelligence" are combing internet comments to guage reaction to all of this news today. Just to see what way the wind blows.
This ZH page is blocked for me by Symantec.cloud
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/ukraine-releases-youtube-clip-proving-rebels-shot-down-malaysian-flight-mh-17
but no others
The location depends on who the State Dept wants to frame
International Airlines diverted their flights to fly over Russia and avoid Ukraine, which shows that perhaps the common sense is that it was not Russia who fired down the plane.
They can intercept all communications and know exactly from where the missile was fired but they are not certain by whom. Come on USSA you can do all that high tech stuff buy you SUCK at LYING
I agree
I agree
A lot of problems loading ZH. Anyone else? What's up?
Yeah, site unavailable or dumped while refreshing.
internal server problems.
Yeah, site unavailable or dumped while refreshing.
internal server problems.
ZH is really buggy today
The US government would never lie would it???? nor would any other government apart from all of them.
Several airliners have been shot down within the last 25 years or so, off the top of my head
Iran air by US navy ship, russian air by ukraine in 2001, TWA by russians??
The US government would never lie would it???? nor would any other government apart from all of them.
Several airliners have been shot down within the last 25 years or so, off the top of my head
Iran air by US navy ship, russian air by ukraine in 2001, TWA by russians??
They can intercept all communications and know exactly from where the missile was fired but they are not certain by whom. Come on USSA you can do all that high tech stuff buy you SUCK at LYING
Your views are right on dot. They also new, precisely who downed MH370 and why. Yet, no clues revealed and suppressed forever. Now, even before evidence trickles in, instantly massive campaign is unleashed with an intent of blaming RUSSIA. May be to garner support from EU and NATO to point fingers at RUSSIA. Strange that, Nationalities of the Passengers is still kept under carpet for reasons best known to them!!!
Of course the only options are east Ukraine or Russia, couldn't be porky.
The stench is rising in visible wave. Then israel attacks etc etc......
Yea, and his name was Dimitry and he was Ordodox.
US Intelligence, say's it all really!
'Spot the oxymoron' Thursday.
US Dept of Smoke and Mirrors...
"...US Intelligence detected a surface missile launch and tracked the explosion of the plane."
Oh, I thought this was the TWA 800 thread.
US Dept of Smoke and Mirrors...
Not exactly tough, the BUK probably has a unique radar signature for it's search/acquisition. They probably had signals intel on that and probably picked up the heat signature of the missile. They're absolutely full of shit saying they can't locate the source though. They can direction find that radar to the source.
//So a bunch of rebels who have either NEVER seen such equipment, or haven't seen it in 25 years if they uber old Soviet veterans, just climbed into this radar truck and started working it to shoot down a plane.
As opposed to Ukrainian regulars who use it every day.
That is the PsyOp, False Narrative the Criminal UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. would like the sheeple to believe.
Here's the first thing I thought of when I heard this story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald
I thought of this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Ah yes those russian commandos, I mean "rebels."
So a bunch of rebels who have either NEVER seen such equipment, or haven't seen it in 25 years if they uber old Soviet veterans, just climbed into this radar truck and started working it to shoot down a plane.
As opposed to Ukrainian regulars who use it every day.
So a bunch of rebels who have either NEVER seen such equipment, or haven't seen it in 25 years if they uber old Soviet veterans, just climbed into this radar truck and started working it to shoot down a plane.
As opposed to Ukrainian regulars who use it every day.
So a bunch of rebels who have either NEVER seen such equipment, or haven't seen it in 25 years if they uber old Soviet veterans, just climbed into this radar truck and started working it to shoot down a plane.
As opposed to Ukrainian regulars who use it every day.
Wait, I KNOW I only pressed Save once.
The syn-ack wasn't back before the request went through the NSA servers. Sorry about that but there will be a lot of double posts today as they catch all posts.
Yea, and his name was Dimitry and he was Ordodox.
US Intelligence, say's it all really!
¿Thay can track the missil impact but thy can't say where it was launched from?
Putin's plane flew over the exact airspace on the same day. Coincidence?
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
That story is a Russian admisssion they know their Mafia boys shot down that plane. Russia knows all other intelligence agencies know the same thing.
You don't know.
You Fool... Give your head a shake.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/07/17/did-the-russians-plant-a-cover-story-to-hand-separatists-the-buk-missile-system/
You don't know.
All of which we don't know any more than we did before this report. :)
Not exactly tough, the BUK probably has a unique radar signature for it's search/acquisition. They probably had signals intel on that and probably picked up the heat signature of the missile. They're absolutely full of shit saying they can't locate the source though. They can direction find that radar to the source.
//Bush did it!
No, but Cheney was in charge at the bunker!
So, they can track the missil impact but can't say where it was launched from... hmmm... Come on! Donbass must be one of the most scanned places on earth these days.
you can bet all in that BOTH the Russians and the US know where it was launched from...
Yep, the US knows. Now they are just waiting to see what the russians are willing to offer to keep it a secret. Come on folks! This is chicago politics at its finest. Nothing like a little black mail to gain the advantage.
You can go "all in" and bet that BOTH the USA and Russia know exactly where it was launched from...
You can go "all in" and bet that BOTH the USA and Russia know exactly where it was launched from...
malaysia airlines and its passengers are having a very bad year.
Airlines Warned About Ukrainian Airspace Before MH17 'Attack' But Continued As It Was 'Cheaper'http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/17/ukrainian-airspace-could-be-c...
got to love "free market" capitalism :-P
You are SO misinformed. If it wasn't for government inference in the market place the airlines would have been able to equip all their airplanes with the latest anti-missile technology but because the airlines are taxed to death they can't afford it, and you know where that tax money winds up? Yeah, in the pockets of "those people" that's where. But you NEVER heard this on the goddamn liberal media. You figure it out.
i trust you're bing snarky. ;-)
Substitute the word "Dollar" now,
Whenever you hear of something Shot Down, Missing, Destroyed.
The US Dollar - Reserve Currency - will Not go gently into the good night.
The Satanist spawn will see to that
Bukov division of Ukrainian Armed Forces re-deployed to Donetsk area yesterday - source (Part 2)
MOSCOW. July 17 (Interfax) - According to objective control systems information, the Bukov division of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was re-deployed to the Donetsk area yesterday, an informed source said.
One more Bukov division is currently being loaded in Kharkiv, the source said.
Only 'S' class or Buk [SA-10, SA-17, NATO reporting name Grizzly] family of munitions can hit aircraft at altitudes of over 10 kilometers, the source said.
The militia does not and can not have such arms, the source said.
The Ukrainian party said earlier without holding an investigation and studying crash circumstances that the aircraft was allegedly hit by militia and allegedly from the Buk air defense system.
Meanwhile, leadership of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) said it did not rule out that the Malaysian Airlines Boeing-777 could have been brought down by Ukrainian servicemen. "Very serious clashes are ongoing in the region, where the Boeing crashed. Non-stop gunfire is under way there," DPR First Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Purgin told Interfax.
The militia does not have SA-17 Buk air defense means as Kyiv alleges, Purgin said.
Keep going ... At 50 kopecks per post, only 240 more until you can buy that nice pair of Levis you've had your eye on.
; - ). Just posting your good Intel.
With intense fighting going on, right now, nobody has any solid idea who has what stuff, how long the have it before it exchanges hand in battle, and the experience of who is operating it.
Fog Of War, as has already been stated. Horrible tragedies like this happen.
Not exactly tough, the BUK probably has a unique radar signature for it's search/acquisition. They probably had signals intel on that and probably picked up the heat signature of the missile. They're absolutely full of shit saying they can't locate the source though. They can direction find that radar to the source.
//Air Defense is identified by the radars they use, which are called "Emitters".
Different emitters use different frequency ranges, but they tend to overlap.
There is also pulse modulation, which is more unique, but generally only narrows down a signal to a family of systems - Usually the 'family' has several variants that use common components common to all the 'family'.
So that leave you with a handful of candidates. Machines can do the correlation up to that point, generally speaking.
After that you have to correlate what you know about the forces in the region to determine exactly who did it.
Yes it is technically possible to DF any electromagnetic signal, whether it is a Radar, a Radio, or a cell phone.
But we already know APPROXIMATELY where the launching battery must have been by where the aircraft was shot down, and the trajectory of the missile.
The GEOPOLITICAL question is this: WAS IT RUSSIA? WAS IT EAST UKRAINE? WAS IT WEST UKRAINE IN A FALSE FLAG?
My instincts are to always suspect stupidity and human error before malice. Stupid is more common than evil.
That leaves Russia or East Ukraine.
Russia would never do this on purpose. It would work counter to all their goals with Europe. Is it possible they made a mistake? Yes. But not likely. If Russian forces were helping East Ukraine they would still have full access to the Russian Early warning radar network. They would know it was a civilian air liner, most likely.
What about East Ukraine? East Ukraine almost certainly has a BUK. The news headlines all point that way despite denials on both sides. Recently West Ukraine forces advanced and took the local airfield. EXTREMELY LIKELY that that airfileld's radar was being used for early warning by the East Ukraine BUK. Without that early radar warning, they would have to identify targets manually.
If they had come to rely on it, they would expect that absence of flight information on their radar meant it was a hostile military flight. But since the supporting radars on the airfiled were taken by West Ukraine forces recently, all flights would show as hostile except those they had manually programmed their systems to recognize.
My money is that this was an error by the East Ukrainians or "New Russians".
Before you blame them... This kind of error is COMMON IN WARFARE. Think about that next time you feel tempted to support a war.
Great analysis. IRT the Russians, I think if they had an issue with the aircraft, thy would have scrambled fighters instead of engaging it witha SAM. Just my 2 cents.
Air Defense is identified by the radars they use, which are called "Emitters".
Different emitters use different frequency ranges, but they tend to overlap.
There is also pulse modulation, which is more unique, but generally only narrows down a signal to a family of systems - Usually the 'family' has several variants that use common components common to all the 'family'.
So that leaves you with a handful of candidates. Machines can do the correlation up to that point, generally speaking.
After that you have to correlate what you know about the forces in the region to determine exactly who did it.
Yes it is technically possible to DF any electromagnetic signal, whether it is a Radar, a Radio, or a cell phone.
But we already know APPROXIMATELY where the launching battery must have been by where the aircraft was shot down, and the trajectory of the missile.
The GEOPOLITICAL question is this: WAS IT RUSSIA? WAS IT EAST UKRAINE? WAS IT WEST UKRAINE IN A FALSE FLAG?
My instincts are to always suspect stupidity and human error before malice. Stupid is more common than evil.
That leaves Russia or East Ukraine.
Russia would never do this on purpose. It would work counter to all their goals with Europe. Is it possible they made a mistake? Yes. But not likely. If Russian forces were helping East Ukraine they would still have full access to the Russian Early warning radar network. They would know it was a civilian air liner, most likely.
What about East Ukraine? East Ukraine almost certainly has a BUK. The news headlines all point that way despite denials on both sides. Recently West Ukraine forces advanced and took the local airfield. EXTREMELY LIKELY that that airfileld's radar was being used for early warning by the East Ukraine BUK. Without that early radar warning, they would have to identify targets manually.
If they had come to rely on it, they would expect that absence of flight information on their radar meant it was a hostile military flight. But since the supporting radars on the airfiled were taken by West Ukraine forces recently, all flights would show as hostile except those they had manually programmed their systems to recognize.
My money is that this was an error by the East Ukrainians or "New Russians".
Before you blame them... This kind of error is COMMON IN WARFARE. There is even a name for it, "FOG OF WAR".
Think about that next time you feel tempted to support a war.
Air Defense is identified by the radars they use, which are called "Emitters".
Different emitters use different frequency ranges, but they tend to overlap.
There is also pulse modulation, which is more unique, but generally only narrows down a signal to a family of systems - Usually the 'family' has several variants that use common components common to all the 'family'.
So that leaves you with a handful of candidates. Machines can do the correlation up to that point, generally speaking.
After that you have to correlate what you know about the forces in the region to determine exactly who did it.
Yes it is technically possible to DF any electromagnetic signal, whether it is a Radar, a Radio, or a cell phone.
But we already know APPROXIMATELY where the launching battery must have been by where the aircraft was shot down, and the trajectory of the missile.
The GEOPOLITICAL question is this: WAS IT RUSSIA? WAS IT EAST UKRAINE? WAS IT WEST UKRAINE IN A FALSE FLAG?
My instincts are to always suspect stupidity and human error before malice. Stupid is more common than evil.
That leaves Russia or East Ukraine.
Russia would never do this on purpose. It would work counter to all their goals with Europe. Is it possible they made a mistake? Yes. But not likely. If Russian forces were helping East Ukraine they would still have full access to the Russian Early warning radar network. They would know it was a civilian air liner, most likely.
What about East Ukraine? East Ukraine almost certainly has a BUK. The news headlines all point that way despite denials on both sides. Recently West Ukraine forces advanced and took the local airfield. EXTREMELY LIKELY that that airfileld's radar was being used for early warning by the East Ukraine BUK. Without that early radar warning, they would have to identify targets manually.
If they had come to rely on it, they would expect that absence of flight information on their radar meant it was a hostile military flight. But since the supporting radars on the airfiled were taken by West Ukraine forces recently, all flights would show as hostile except those they had manually programmed their systems to recognize.
My money is that this was an error by the East Ukrainians or "New Russians".
Before you blame them... This kind of error is COMMON IN WARFARE. There is even a name for it, "FOG OF WAR".
Think about that next time you feel tempted to support a war.
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
Apparently there is a rumor that Putin's plane was following a similar flight path over Ukraine today. The implication is that they were actually trying to shoot down the presidential jet.If there is any truth in this, these people want to start a nuclear war.
Was HAARP (or it's replacement) active...??
RT is waging a massive propaganda battle right now.
putin calls malaysian pm to offer condolences after the plane tragedy.
malaysian pm gives press conference that he cannot confirm the Ukrainian version of events (that rebels shot it down inadvertently).
passports not scorched following explosion/crash.
bodies not scorched either.
what is 2 + 2?
The propaganda is thicker and more stink than usual today. Just trying to sort it all out. "MOSCOW, July 17 (RIA Novosti) - A Ukrainian army battalion of Buk air defense systems was deployed near the city of Donetsk a day before the crash of a Malaysian passenger plane on Thursday, making the downing of the aircraft by one of the missiles highly probable, an expert source said. " he said, she said.... regular lies from both sides and somewhere in the middle is 'some' truth? I think they are both guilty!
US intelligence says...whatever Mossad says.
I bet they are divided! The Pro Hegemony crowd vs the Pro Truth crowd... The Narrative is not yet set... There may be some very interesting leaks coming out as a result of this.
Contrary to popular belief there is no Intelligence Community. It is in fact a Feudal Kingdom...
A collection of principalities, duchies and kingdoms then?
We need to open a new "exchange" that bets only on war.
For lack of a more appropriate title, we'll call it the "war exchange" where deritvatives for betting on when and where wars will begin and "adversaries" both for and against.
JPM and Goldman already have a hand it. They just haven't made it go "public" yet.
I think this might be one of their customers here. Somebody alert Mike Chertoff that he needs to come up with some additional ideas for security in airports cause the motherload of all profits from 13 years ago is about hit paydirt!
Of course U.S. intelligence confirms it was a SAM missile.
They are the people who supplied it.
McCain has just come out and said "If this can be proven that Russian or Russian seperatists have brought down this plane that will give us the right to arm Ukraine and apply real sanctions"
His wife must rue a life of being married to a man who is, and always was, a pre ejaculator.
More deaths will solve this problem!
You see those violent men over there? We must stop them and their violence! How, you ask? Through the correct and measured application of violence. Much different from WANTON violence.
http://rt.com/news/165636-aircraft-disappear-radfars-austria/
Probably Russian nuke train under path. Can't have anyone see those...
Probably Russian nuke train under path. Can't have anyone see those...
Let's see if I have this correct:
The day after Russia and the other BRICs announce a viable bank to supplant the IMF and the USD as a reserve currency, a missile (supposedly) from one of the members of that new banking group takes down an airliner with 24 Americans aboard. We are supposed to be outraged now, right?
Just call me piano - I feel like I'm being played here...
Did I miss any part of the rather obvious conspiracy here to wag the dog?
Just wondering what would be the repercussions if any of those missing hand held rocket launchers from Gaddafi's Libyan collapse would be found to have taken down the airliner?
They'd tell you that good old Mohamar got his hands on the Stingers still floating around from 1980's Reagan-doctrine Afghanistan.
The SAM serial number will be provided in the next hour
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McCain has just come out and said "If this can be proven that Russian or Russian seperatists have brought down this plane that will give us the right to arm Ukraine and apply real sanctions"
His wife must rue a life of being married to a man who is, and always was, a pre ejaculator.
You mentioned his "wife", you are referring to Ms. Lindsey Graham, right?
The SAM serial number will be provided in the next hour
Stay tuned......
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