Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace?

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While there are various questions that have already emerged from what was supposed to be Ukraine's "slam dunk" proof confirming Russian rebel involvement in today's MH-17 tragedy, perhaps one just as gaping question emerges when one looks at what is clearly an outlier flight path in today's final, and tragic, departure of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777.

Perhaps the best visualization of what the issue is, comes from Vagelis Karmiros who has collated all the recent MH-17 flight paths as tracked by Flightaware and shows that while all ten most recent paths pass safely well south of the Donetsk region, and cross the zone above the Sea of Azov, it was only today's tragic flight that passed straight overhead Donetsk.

 

Why is the diversion from the traditional flight path and passage over the highlighted zone a concern? Because as the following map from the WSJ shows this is precisely where the restricted airspace is.

 

So perhaps before coming to "certain" conclusion about the involvement of this rebel or that, the key questions one should ask before casting blame, is why did the pilot divert from his usual flight plan, why did he fly above restricted airspace, and just what, if any instructions, did Kiev air control give the pilot in the minutes before the tragic explosion?

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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:59 | 4971311 LetThemEatRand
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Was there a Duke on that plane?  

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:04 | 4971333 pods
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Archduke.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:09 | 4971349 onelight
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Duke & Duke...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:11 | 4971371 Murf_DaSurf
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No Dukes, not even Patty Duke, just the Duped...this was planned by someone to start something bigger...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:13 | 4971380 THX 1178
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Marmaduke

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:15 | 4971390 Slave
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Is there restricted airspace over the Indian Ocean?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:25 | 4971437 7.62x54r
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Does Malaysian Airlines also sell Lusitania tickets?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:37 | 4971487 CrazyCooter
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Let me guess ... this is where the "black box" becomes suddenly pivotal ...

While acknowledging this is a significant tragedy, I don't care what the ultimate outcome is, as long as it doesn't involve war with millions (billions) of people.

Fuck the bankers ... let this simmer until people start investing in lamp posts, hemp rope, and a future for their (grand)children.

Regards,

Cooter

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:38 | 4971493 Save_America1st
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Dukes of Hazzard

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:54 | 4971545 ZerOhead
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"... and just what, if any instructions, did Kiev air control give the pilot in the minutes before the tragic explosion?"

 

Well the Russians have the black box so there is a good chance we are going to find out...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:13 | 4971630 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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What are the fucking odds that this would be a Malaysian Airlines flight and a Boeing 777? Seriously, someone needs to calculate the fucking odds here... I'm going to be generous and guess no greater than 1 in 1,000,000.

What are the fucking odds???

Whoever put this false flag together is losing touch with reality.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:22 | 4971673 COSMOS
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Pretty obvious, the Kiev govt knew it was losing the war and had its army trapped in a cauldron, so its intelligence service cooks up the plot to send the jet south, blow it up and claim it was the rebels, get international outrage and a ceasefire, get its troops out.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:50 | 4971762 knukles
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Oh who the fuck cares.  A tragic loss of life it is what it is and the Law of Unintended Consequences alongside Satan's will shall proceed accordingly.
More wholesale murder and debauchery

Where are the grown men and women?  The sense of civility, norms and values, senses of good and evil?

This is what we have for global leadership, the very fabric of civilization being torn asunder before our very eyes.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:56 | 4971777 Bingo Hammer
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All true knukles but the only ones to make a difference are the people of the US.....not too much that the people of rest of the world can really do to effect that centre of gravity

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:15 | 4971848 jeff montanye
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perhaps not entirely true.

i for one am glad our lying sack of shit president, who recently discovered he was really good at killing people (poor, dark, weakly armed, far away, relatively powerless), has tied into someone, v. putin, who is none of these things. his recent move to rehab the spy center in cuba has x'd out far away.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:04 | 4972101 JuliaS
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Duke Nuke'em Timoshenko.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:34 | 4972142 The Blank Stare
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“I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” 

 

THE Duke

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:38 | 4972150 palmereldritch
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Mortimer Duke: This an outrage! I demand a full investigation!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:59 | 4972252 gratefultraveller
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I reckon the investigation should include questioning Christine Lagarde of the IMF what she meant by the following, said in her speach at the National Press Club in Japan on Jan. 2. 2014:

"7" references:
1:22 - "Now I'm going to test your numerology skills by asking you to think about the magic seven"
1:34 - "Most of you will know that seven is quite a number
2:24 - "2014, you drop the zero, fourteen, two times, seven"
4:08 - "It will mark the 70th anniversary, 70th anniversary, drop the zero, seven, of the Bretton Woods Conference that actually gave birth to the IMF" (7 + 0 = 7)
4:22 - "And it will be the 25th anniversary of the fall of the berlin wall, 25th.." (2 + 5 = 7)
4:38 - "It will also mark the 7th anniversary of the financial market jietters"
5:08 - "After those seven miserable years, weak and fragile"
5:14 - "We have seven strong years"
5:43 - "Now I don't know if the G7 will have anything to do with it" (G is also the 7th letter of the alphabet)

"2014" references:
1:18 - "The global economy and what we should expect for 2014"
2:19 - "So if we think about 2014"
2:24 - "2014, you drop the zero, fourteen, two times, seven"
3:54 - "So 2014 will be a milestone and hopefully a magic year in may respects"
5:05 - "So my hope and my wish for 2014"

Just the relevant parts here

h/t to Clif High from HPH who posted the link to this video on his twitter account on July 2, with the caption "TPTB be gettin' too strange. C. Lagarde of IMF sends message to officialdom about '7'."

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 04:16 | 4972298 old naughty
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your got the "7" nailed...but she also mentioned, strangely out of context, G20 (G7 too)...so some said 7.20.2014 was what she "meant"?

Was it the date for the reset, or not?

Hell knows. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:20 | 4973849 r0mulus
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G7 at the time she said (Jan '14) it was still the G8- Russia wasn't ejected until March 24th. This is very curious- how could she know the outcome ahead of time?
G20 is currently chaired by Russia. It seems to be a reference to Russia.
It really seems like she is saying G7 vs G20.
7th month makes sense with July, too.

This is definitely one of the weirdest vids I have ever seen.
it's completely bizarre that someone of her stature would say something like this, or be allowed to say something like this.
Unless it really is a coded message, which it definitely seems to be...
If it wasn't, she is insane and needs to be retired immediately.
It's a damning indictment either way.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:42 | 4972230 Aussie V
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@JuliaS

There is a report from a Spanish Air Control Operator operating from a Tower 18 km's outside of Kiev claiming to have proof that Kiev's military ordered the attack but not from the defence Minister but the Minister of the Interior. He claims that there is a huge push within Ukraine to topple Poroshenko and replace him with Tyleshenko (spelling!!! The woman in the wheel chair who was doing time in Prison before being released by the US junta)

He claims the plane was shadowed by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets up to 1 minute before the explosion. His translated report is here www.for-the-fans.com

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:58 | 4972380 tvdog
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Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:58 | 4972381 tvdog
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Wow, great find.

“Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”

“The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”

“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:18 | 4971854 disabledvet
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Aye, veerily. Worse still "they have declared Parlay" here as well.

I hate it when we have full fledged investigations of patently criminal acts.

I'm sure there's something important the important people should be saying right now. (Sound of crickets chirping.)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:43 | 4972371 runningman18
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My question is, what commercial pilot in his right mind would fly over a known combat zone?  You would think he would have refused to take such a flight path.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:29 | 4974621 TheRedScourge
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Asians aren't known for their rebellious nature. Especially Malaysians. The lack of self-initiative and the fear of stepping out of line is what makes for far more crashes among asian airlines than most Western airlines.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:02 | 4977744 jerry_theking_lawler
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Exactly. Once you know the culture, you understand why THIS was the flight. Any others would rebel against the authority and take their own course well knowing the danger to themselves and their plane.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:04 | 4972387 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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You may wish to visit a psychiatrist sometime, to deal with your fits of paranoia.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:27 | 4972419 Tall Tom
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You may wish to visit a psychiatrist, sometime, to deal with your delusions that any Government can be trusted. 

 

You may also wish to address your denial of  the reality that anything reported by the Main Stream Media is a fictional account with some facts to give it unwarranted credibility.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:32 | 4972427 Headbanger
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What!?   Just because we're all paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get us!

So why would we ruin a good thing like that?

 

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:25 | 4971687 conscious being
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Malaysia's problem is that they will not play ball with the NWO.  No FACTA for example.  They are also Muslim, which makes them a zino target.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:26 | 4971691 conscious being
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Malaysia's problem is that they will not play ball with the NWO.  No FACTA for example.  They are also Muslim, which makes them a zino target.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:59 | 4972253 UselessEater
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(excuse format its hard to preview at the moment) A few sites show they are still negotiating along with 17 other nations e.g. http://www.iexpats.com/fatca-countries

- See more at: http://www.iexpats.com/fatca-countries/#sthash.ZTLCLw73.dpuf Under negotiation

Negotiations to put a FATCAQ treaty in place are under way with a further 17 countries:

  • Argentina
  • Bahrain
  • Barbados
  • Curacao
  • Ghana
  • Gibraltar
  • Honduras
  • Lebanon
  • Luxembourg
  • Malaysia
  • Russia
  • Seychelles
  • St Maarten
  • Taiwan
  • Thailand
  • Trinidad and Tobago
  • United Arab Emirates

Russia is the odd man out. Because of the violence and political crisis in The Ukraine, the US Treasury has refused to negotiate a FATCA treaty with Russia. Instead, Russian banks must comply by signing up individually on the FATCA portal.

- See more at: http://www.iexpats.com/fatca-countries/#sthash.ZTLCLw73.dpuf

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 08:39 | 4972694 BigDuke6
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How is this monitored website doing these days?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:48 | 4972238 Bernoulli
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Agree. Seems completely impossible.

1. What are the odds of a plane vanishing?

2. What are the odds of a civil plane being shot down by a anti aircraft missile?

3. And now: What are the odds of both of that happening within few months to the same airline with the same plane type?

One in a million is not enough.

Come on guys. This does smell too fishy.

And with the first plane "vanishing" absolutely ZERO parts or debris was found. Could be quite conventient to have a large reservoir of spare parts plus a spare black box (?) of the MH 370 to "prove" something else happened to the MH17 (same model plane of the same airlines) later. I am stunned that not more reference is made to MH 370 by MM. Nobody likes connecting dots anymore? No more investigative journalism? Questioning by the public or at least the relatives? Or was this orchestrated so perfectly and is everybody being shut up now? I don't get it. Please somebody investigate!

And I feel really sorry for the innocent people dying and their families left in the dark. :-(

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 04:28 | 4972306 Haus-Targaryen
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I would love to find the piece of debris which has the aircraft's FAA call sign. 

I imagine if you scrape off the new layer of paint on there it would read; 9M-MRO

Dispose of MH370 in plain sight.  How long before we start seeing new photos of 9M-MRD surfacing?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:01 | 4972995 blackholes
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While I do love the rabbit hole this provides, don't you think the all rich and powerful could just get ahold of their very own plane, without the need to vanish another to later be used in a future attack?

Couldn't they just pay to have as many planes as they require?

Do I fail to see some extra layer?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 09:24 | 4972839 Zymurguy
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Boeing 777 is remote control capable no?

Just like a lot of fly by wire vehicles (mercedes seems to be a favorite one) that are crashed to eliminate unfavorable oppposition.

The "tragedies" simply get bigger and bigger in an attempt to throw us in to moar war.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:02 | 4972997 Thanatos
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Consider this:

After 9/11 the Insurance Companies got REAL nervous about "Real False Flags" and started putting a bit of pressure on those who plan such things.. They understood the NEED for False Flag Operations but insisted that they be FAKE in the future. This is a CYA program for WHEN (not if) they get found out.

It's better to get caught "Faking" these Flase Flag events than caught killing innocents to forward a political agenda (aka Terrorism).

Take a close look at all the recent "scary" events and see for yourself.

This plane shoot-down was probably another "Fake False Flag".

They used the "missing 777" (just had to repaint numbers, not the livery and tweak some electronics), loaded it up with ppl who would not be missed (maybe already dead), took it off on remote and shot 'er down.

Minimal "Crime" committed, maximal effect.

If caught, what would they be charged with?

Elaborate conspiracy to hoax the public?

Think like an corporate insurance lawyer and you'll get warm.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:42 | 4971713 surfsup
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Was it diverted? In a sense, yes. Cars and Planes can be droned these days. Dig down into this rabbit hole and it all clears up.

Press releases are way too slick and pre planned for this NOT to be a total OP by interests that want Russia to appear as the villain, BRICS IMF 2.0 notwithstanding... Like a Khadaffi Round 2 with his ongoing promotion of a future gold backed African currency. same shit... Nulander Handlers (not US btw) also want GMO in the Ukrainian breadbasket and Putin has said hell no to all GMO's realizing their proximity to Russia in Ukraine may infect local fields -- GMO's are totally banned in Russia -- he's basically way off playbook for the narco peado control freak pot bellies and this is how they play the chess board to "stir up" interest in wars.

Silver lining is if Russia can verify that the pilots had no control over the aircraft as certainly they would be asking WTF by flying just over a war zone! Digging deeper into the sources you can find that Russia also lost an aircraft to an onboard uninterruptible autopilot. Of course once this kitty gets out of the bag 911 becomes a nearly solved equation... Fkn' wankers!

...

"Boeing wins patent on uninterruptible autopilot system Published 4 December 2006More Sharing ServicesShare| Share on emailShare on facebookShare on twitterShare on linkedin New technology can be activated by the pilots, government agencies, even on-board sensors; not even a tortured pilot can give up control; dedicated electrical circuits ensure the system’s total independence

“There is a need for a technique that ensures the continuation of the desired path of travel of a vehicle by removing any type of human decision process that may be influenced by the circumstances of the situation, including threats or further violence onboard the vehicle,” the patent application explains."

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/boeing-wins-patent-uninterruptib...

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-c...

http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/03/abel-danger-boeing-uninterruptible.html

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:56 | 4971775 MiltonFriedmans...
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Surfsup,
+1 for the analysis! and you can bet your bottom dollar Serco is involved

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:25 | 4971857 surfsup
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkTRJgDkNFg#t=173

 

And there we are...    The "script... "

Published on Jul 17, 2014
The former Secretary of State tells Charlie Rose that the suspected shooting down of a Malaysia Airlines jet causes a "great deal of concern" not only over the loss of life, but over "the continued conflict in Ukraine, and the role Russia is playing." For the full interview, tune in to CHARLIE ROSE tonight on PBS.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 00:55 | 4972082 BlindMonkey
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The money shot at the end.  She says Europe needs to come up with an alternative energy strategy that does not leave them at the mercy of Russia.  

 

So I guess she would prefer an Eurpoean energy strategy using LNG that leaves them at the mercy of DC.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:55 | 4972170 palmereldritch
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In this specific neighborhood LNG may well stand for Liquified Natural Gaza

http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/gaza-marine-offshore-field

Gaza borders Israel and Egypt. The area is considered rich in natural gas. In 1999, BG Group was awarded by the Palestinian Authority a 25 year exploration licence for the marine area off the Gaza Strip. The licence is operated by BG and shared with the Athens-based Consolidated Contractor Company (CCC) that holds 10 percent of the licence. The Gaza marine field was discovered by BG in 2000, about 36 kilometers offshore in waters 600 meters deep. An appraisal well confirmed that the field was ‘commercially viable’, estimated at 1 Tcf of natural gas and close enough to the shore. In commercial terms, and according to the 2012 report of thePalestine Investment Fund notes, the exploitation of the field would translate in savings of over USD 560 million in the energy bill of the PA and USD 2.5 billion in direct revenues over the lifetime of the project1.

The discovery by Israel of the giant Leviathan and Tamar off its shores has changed the whole landscape. Israel’s energy security has increased and its energy independence is expected for decades to come. The ongoing Israeli assault on Gaza has further weakened the Palestinians and it is difficult to predict any positive development by the Palestinians of their offshore resources. The development of the Gaza marine field by the Israelis instead would be the object of a different kind of debate.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:22 | 4971862 Louie the Dog
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Siver lining? What!? Ex KGB Putin and his comrades at the Kremlin is what passes for truth these days? They'll tell you what they want you to tell you. Nothing more.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:57 | 4971971 Idaho potato head
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I think you're spot on Surfs up!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:41 | 4972228 ThirteenthFloor
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Surf's up >  Makes sense.  When multiple US news outlets all say the same thing within 24 hours, that is a indication of a prepared fictional script.

Note: Apparently Putin's plane flew over same airspace 40 minutes prior, if true he apparently Putin was not afraid to fly over same airspace....ummmmm

http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:06 | 4972343 Geronimo66
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Warning shot to Putin to take MH-17 out? BRICS? USA like it? Its just a thought....

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 03:20 | 4972273 Duffy Duck
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Surf:

Excellent.

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