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Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace?

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While there are various questions that have already emerged from what was supposed to be Ukraine's "slam dunk" proof confirming Russian rebel involvement in today's MH-17 tragedy, perhaps one just as gaping question emerges when one looks at what is clearly an outlier flight path in today's final, and tragic, departure of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777.

Perhaps the best visualization of what the issue is, comes from Vagelis Karmiros who has collated all the recent MH-17 flight paths as tracked by Flightaware and shows that while all ten most recent paths pass safely well south of the Donetsk region, and cross the zone above the Sea of Azov, it was only today's tragic flight that passed straight overhead Donetsk.

 

Why is the diversion from the traditional flight path and passage over the highlighted zone a concern? Because as the following map from the WSJ shows this is precisely where the restricted airspace is.

 

So perhaps before coming to "certain" conclusion about the involvement of this rebel or that, the key questions one should ask before casting blame, is why did the pilot divert from his usual flight plan, why did he fly above restricted airspace, and just what, if any instructions, did Kiev air control give the pilot in the minutes before the tragic explosion?

 

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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 20:59 | 4971311 LetThemEatRand
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Was there a Duke on that plane?  

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:04 | 4971333 pods
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Archduke.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:09 | 4971349 onelight
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Duke & Duke...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:11 | 4971371 gafgroocK
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No Dukes, not even Patty Duke, just the Duped...this was planned by someone to start something bigger...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:13 | 4971380 THX 1178
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Marmaduke

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:15 | 4971390 Slave
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Is there restricted airspace over the Indian Ocean?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:25 | 4971437 7.62x54r
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Does Malaysian Airlines also sell Lusitania tickets?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:37 | 4971487 CrazyCooter
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Let me guess ... this is where the "black box" becomes suddenly pivotal ...

While acknowledging this is a significant tragedy, I don't care what the ultimate outcome is, as long as it doesn't involve war with millions (billions) of people.

Fuck the bankers ... let this simmer until people start investing in lamp posts, hemp rope, and a future for their (grand)children.

Regards,

Cooter

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:38 | 4971493 Save_America1st
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Dukes of Hazzard

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:54 | 4971545 ZerOhead
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"... and just what, if any instructions, did Kiev air control give the pilot in the minutes before the tragic explosion?"

 

Well the Russians have the black box so there is a good chance we are going to find out...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:13 | 4971630 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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What are the fucking odds that this would be a Malaysian Airlines flight and a Boeing 777? Seriously, someone needs to calculate the fucking odds here... I'm going to be generous and guess no greater than 1 in 1,000,000.

What are the fucking odds???

Whoever put this false flag together is losing touch with reality.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:22 | 4971673 COSMOS
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Pretty obvious, the Kiev govt knew it was losing the war and had its army trapped in a cauldron, so its intelligence service cooks up the plot to send the jet south, blow it up and claim it was the rebels, get international outrage and a ceasefire, get its troops out.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:50 | 4971762 knukles
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Oh who the fuck cares.  A tragic loss of life it is what it is and the Law of Unintended Consequences alongside Satan's will shall proceed accordingly.
More wholesale murder and debauchery

Where are the grown men and women?  The sense of civility, norms and values, senses of good and evil?

This is what we have for global leadership, the very fabric of civilization being torn asunder before our very eyes.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:56 | 4971777 Bingo Hammer
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All true knukles but the only ones to make a difference are the people of the US.....not too much that the people of rest of the world can really do to effect that centre of gravity

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:15 | 4971848 jeff montanye
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perhaps not entirely true.

i for one am glad our lying sack of shit president, who recently discovered he was really good at killing people (poor, dark, weakly armed, far away, relatively powerless), has tied into someone, v. putin, who is none of these things. his recent move to rehab the spy center in cuba has x'd out far away.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:04 | 4972101 JuliaS
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Duke Nuke'em Timoshenko.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:34 | 4972142 The Blank Stare
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“I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” 

 

THE Duke

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:38 | 4972150 palmereldritch
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Mortimer Duke: This an outrage! I demand a full investigation!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:59 | 4972252 gratefultraveller
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I reckon the investigation should include questioning Christine Lagarde of the IMF what she meant by the following, said in her speach at the National Press Club in Japan on Jan. 2. 2014:

"7" references:
1:22 - "Now I'm going to test your numerology skills by asking you to think about the magic seven"
1:34 - "Most of you will know that seven is quite a number
2:24 - "2014, you drop the zero, fourteen, two times, seven"
4:08 - "It will mark the 70th anniversary, 70th anniversary, drop the zero, seven, of the Bretton Woods Conference that actually gave birth to the IMF" (7 + 0 = 7)
4:22 - "And it will be the 25th anniversary of the fall of the berlin wall, 25th.." (2 + 5 = 7)
4:38 - "It will also mark the 7th anniversary of the financial market jietters"
5:08 - "After those seven miserable years, weak and fragile"
5:14 - "We have seven strong years"
5:43 - "Now I don't know if the G7 will have anything to do with it" (G is also the 7th letter of the alphabet)

"2014" references:
1:18 - "The global economy and what we should expect for 2014"
2:19 - "So if we think about 2014"
2:24 - "2014, you drop the zero, fourteen, two times, seven"
3:54 - "So 2014 will be a milestone and hopefully a magic year in may respects"
5:05 - "So my hope and my wish for 2014"

Just the relevant parts here

h/t to Clif High from HPH who posted the link to this video on his twitter account on July 2, with the caption "TPTB be gettin' too strange. C. Lagarde of IMF sends message to officialdom about '7'."

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 04:16 | 4972298 old naughty
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your got the "7" nailed...but she also mentioned, strangely out of context, G20 (G7 too)...so some said 7.20.2014 was what she "meant"?

Was it the date for the reset, or not?

Hell knows. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:20 | 4973849 r0mulus
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G7 at the time she said (Jan '14) it was still the G8- Russia wasn't ejected until March 24th. This is very curious- how could she know the outcome ahead of time?
G20 is currently chaired by Russia. It seems to be a reference to Russia.
It really seems like she is saying G7 vs G20.
7th month makes sense with July, too.

This is definitely one of the weirdest vids I have ever seen.
it's completely bizarre that someone of her stature would say something like this, or be allowed to say something like this.
Unless it really is a coded message, which it definitely seems to be...
If it wasn't, she is insane and needs to be retired immediately.
It's a damning indictment either way.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:42 | 4972230 Aussie V
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@JuliaS

There is a report from a Spanish Air Control Operator operating from a Tower 18 km's outside of Kiev claiming to have proof that Kiev's military ordered the attack but not from the defence Minister but the Minister of the Interior. He claims that there is a huge push within Ukraine to topple Poroshenko and replace him with Tyleshenko (spelling!!! The woman in the wheel chair who was doing time in Prison before being released by the US junta)

He claims the plane was shadowed by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets up to 1 minute before the explosion. His translated report is here www.for-the-fans.com

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:58 | 4972380 tvdog
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Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:58 | 4972381 tvdog
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Wow, great find.

“Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”

“The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”

“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:18 | 4971854 disabledvet
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Aye, veerily. Worse still "they have declared Parlay" here as well.

I hate it when we have full fledged investigations of patently criminal acts.

I'm sure there's something important the important people should be saying right now. (Sound of crickets chirping.)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:43 | 4972371 runningman18
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My question is, what commercial pilot in his right mind would fly over a known combat zone?  You would think he would have refused to take such a flight path.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:29 | 4974621 TheRedScourge
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Asians aren't known for their rebellious nature. Especially Malaysians. The lack of self-initiative and the fear of stepping out of line is what makes for far more crashes among asian airlines than most Western airlines.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:02 | 4977744 jerry_theking_lawler
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Exactly. Once you know the culture, you understand why THIS was the flight. Any others would rebel against the authority and take their own course well knowing the danger to themselves and their plane.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:04 | 4972387 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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You may wish to visit a psychiatrist sometime, to deal with your fits of paranoia.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:27 | 4972419 Tall Tom
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You may wish to visit a psychiatrist, sometime, to deal with your delusions that any Government can be trusted. 

 

You may also wish to address your denial of  the reality that anything reported by the Main Stream Media is a fictional account with some facts to give it unwarranted credibility.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:32 | 4972427 Headbanger
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What!?   Just because we're all paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get us!

So why would we ruin a good thing like that?

 

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:25 | 4971687 conscious being
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Malaysia's problem is that they will not play ball with the NWO.  No FACTA for example.  They are also Muslim, which makes them a zino target.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:26 | 4971691 conscious being
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Malaysia's problem is that they will not play ball with the NWO.  No FACTA for example.  They are also Muslim, which makes them a zino target.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:59 | 4972253 UselessEater
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(excuse format its hard to preview at the moment) A few sites show they are still negotiating along with 17 other nations e.g. http://www.iexpats.com/fatca-countries

- See more at: http://www.iexpats.com/fatca-countries/#sthash.ZTLCLw73.dpuf Under negotiation

Negotiations to put a FATCAQ treaty in place are under way with a further 17 countries:

  • Argentina
  • Bahrain
  • Barbados
  • Curacao
  • Ghana
  • Gibraltar
  • Honduras
  • Lebanon
  • Luxembourg
  • Malaysia
  • Russia
  • Seychelles
  • St Maarten
  • Taiwan
  • Thailand
  • Trinidad and Tobago
  • United Arab Emirates

Russia is the odd man out. Because of the violence and political crisis in The Ukraine, the US Treasury has refused to negotiate a FATCA treaty with Russia. Instead, Russian banks must comply by signing up individually on the FATCA portal.

- See more at: http://www.iexpats.com/fatca-countries/#sthash.ZTLCLw73.dpuf

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 08:39 | 4972694 BigDuke6
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How is this monitored website doing these days?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:48 | 4972238 Bernoulli
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Agree. Seems completely impossible.

1. What are the odds of a plane vanishing?

2. What are the odds of a civil plane being shot down by a anti aircraft missile?

3. And now: What are the odds of both of that happening within few months to the same airline with the same plane type?

One in a million is not enough.

Come on guys. This does smell too fishy.

And with the first plane "vanishing" absolutely ZERO parts or debris was found. Could be quite conventient to have a large reservoir of spare parts plus a spare black box (?) of the MH 370 to "prove" something else happened to the MH17 (same model plane of the same airlines) later. I am stunned that not more reference is made to MH 370 by MM. Nobody likes connecting dots anymore? No more investigative journalism? Questioning by the public or at least the relatives? Or was this orchestrated so perfectly and is everybody being shut up now? I don't get it. Please somebody investigate!

And I feel really sorry for the innocent people dying and their families left in the dark. :-(

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 04:28 | 4972306 Haus-Targaryen
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I would love to find the piece of debris which has the aircraft's FAA call sign. 

I imagine if you scrape off the new layer of paint on there it would read; 9M-MRO

Dispose of MH370 in plain sight.  How long before we start seeing new photos of 9M-MRD surfacing?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:01 | 4972995 blackholes
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While I do love the rabbit hole this provides, don't you think the all rich and powerful could just get ahold of their very own plane, without the need to vanish another to later be used in a future attack?

Couldn't they just pay to have as many planes as they require?

Do I fail to see some extra layer?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 09:24 | 4972839 Zymurguy
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Boeing 777 is remote control capable no?

Just like a lot of fly by wire vehicles (mercedes seems to be a favorite one) that are crashed to eliminate unfavorable oppposition.

The "tragedies" simply get bigger and bigger in an attempt to throw us in to moar war.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:02 | 4972997 Thanatos
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Consider this:

After 9/11 the Insurance Companies got REAL nervous about "Real False Flags" and started putting a bit of pressure on those who plan such things.. They understood the NEED for False Flag Operations but insisted that they be FAKE in the future. This is a CYA program for WHEN (not if) they get found out.

It's better to get caught "Faking" these Flase Flag events than caught killing innocents to forward a political agenda (aka Terrorism).

Take a close look at all the recent "scary" events and see for yourself.

This plane shoot-down was probably another "Fake False Flag".

They used the "missing 777" (just had to repaint numbers, not the livery and tweak some electronics), loaded it up with ppl who would not be missed (maybe already dead), took it off on remote and shot 'er down.

Minimal "Crime" committed, maximal effect.

If caught, what would they be charged with?

Elaborate conspiracy to hoax the public?

Think like an corporate insurance lawyer and you'll get warm.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:42 | 4971713 surfsup
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Was it diverted? In a sense, yes. Cars and Planes can be droned these days. Dig down into this rabbit hole and it all clears up.

Press releases are way too slick and pre planned for this NOT to be a total OP by interests that want Russia to appear as the villain, BRICS IMF 2.0 notwithstanding... Like a Khadaffi Round 2 with his ongoing promotion of a future gold backed African currency. same shit... Nulander Handlers (not US btw) also want GMO in the Ukrainian breadbasket and Putin has said hell no to all GMO's realizing their proximity to Russia in Ukraine may infect local fields -- GMO's are totally banned in Russia -- he's basically way off playbook for the narco peado control freak pot bellies and this is how they play the chess board to "stir up" interest in wars.

Silver lining is if Russia can verify that the pilots had no control over the aircraft as certainly they would be asking WTF by flying just over a war zone! Digging deeper into the sources you can find that Russia also lost an aircraft to an onboard uninterruptible autopilot. Of course once this kitty gets out of the bag 911 becomes a nearly solved equation... Fkn' wankers!

...

"Boeing wins patent on uninterruptible autopilot system Published 4 December 2006More Sharing ServicesShare| Share on emailShare on facebookShare on twitterShare on linkedin New technology can be activated by the pilots, government agencies, even on-board sensors; not even a tortured pilot can give up control; dedicated electrical circuits ensure the system’s total independence

“There is a need for a technique that ensures the continuation of the desired path of travel of a vehicle by removing any type of human decision process that may be influenced by the circumstances of the situation, including threats or further violence onboard the vehicle,” the patent application explains."

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/boeing-wins-patent-uninterruptib...

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-c...

http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/03/abel-danger-boeing-uninterruptible.html

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:56 | 4971775 MiltonFriedmans...
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Surfsup,
+1 for the analysis! and you can bet your bottom dollar Serco is involved

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:25 | 4971857 surfsup
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkTRJgDkNFg#t=173

 

And there we are...    The "script... "

Published on Jul 17, 2014
The former Secretary of State tells Charlie Rose that the suspected shooting down of a Malaysia Airlines jet causes a "great deal of concern" not only over the loss of life, but over "the continued conflict in Ukraine, and the role Russia is playing." For the full interview, tune in to CHARLIE ROSE tonight on PBS.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 00:55 | 4972082 BlindMonkey
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The money shot at the end.  She says Europe needs to come up with an alternative energy strategy that does not leave them at the mercy of Russia.  

 

So I guess she would prefer an Eurpoean energy strategy using LNG that leaves them at the mercy of DC.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:55 | 4972170 palmereldritch
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In this specific neighborhood LNG may well stand for Liquified Natural Gaza

http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/gaza-marine-offshore-field

Gaza borders Israel and Egypt. The area is considered rich in natural gas. In 1999, BG Group was awarded by the Palestinian Authority a 25 year exploration licence for the marine area off the Gaza Strip. The licence is operated by BG and shared with the Athens-based Consolidated Contractor Company (CCC) that holds 10 percent of the licence. The Gaza marine field was discovered by BG in 2000, about 36 kilometers offshore in waters 600 meters deep. An appraisal well confirmed that the field was ‘commercially viable’, estimated at 1 Tcf of natural gas and close enough to the shore. In commercial terms, and according to the 2012 report of thePalestine Investment Fund notes, the exploitation of the field would translate in savings of over USD 560 million in the energy bill of the PA and USD 2.5 billion in direct revenues over the lifetime of the project1.

The discovery by Israel of the giant Leviathan and Tamar off its shores has changed the whole landscape. Israel’s energy security has increased and its energy independence is expected for decades to come. The ongoing Israeli assault on Gaza has further weakened the Palestinians and it is difficult to predict any positive development by the Palestinians of their offshore resources. The development of the Gaza marine field by the Israelis instead would be the object of a different kind of debate.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:22 | 4971862 Louie the Dog
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Siver lining? What!? Ex KGB Putin and his comrades at the Kremlin is what passes for truth these days? They'll tell you what they want you to tell you. Nothing more.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:57 | 4971971 Idaho potato head
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I think you're spot on Surfs up!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:41 | 4972228 ThirteenthFloor
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Surf's up >  Makes sense.  When multiple US news outlets all say the same thing within 24 hours, that is a indication of a prepared fictional script.

Note: Apparently Putin's plane flew over same airspace 40 minutes prior, if true he apparently Putin was not afraid to fly over same airspace....ummmmm

http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:06 | 4972343 Geronimo66
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Warning shot to Putin to take MH-17 out? BRICS? USA like it? Its just a thought....

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 03:20 | 4972273 Duffy Duck
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Surf:

Excellent.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:14 | 4972193 JCDK
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I looked at this rather late (as you can see from the hour of this comment) and at first I could NOT see any pictures.  They were "forbidden" said my Firefox browser. But later it appeared nonetheless, after having looked at Zero's link to the original.  The American gangsterfriends of Ukraine has helped them -  it seems to me, then.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:50 | 4972239 Aussie V
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Yea, I had similar "strange" issues as well. I kept getting kicked out of any "Ukraine" article back to the main page as well as numerous tabs opening on my Firefox browser taking me to weird sites.

Opened Safari and had the same issues! Weird. They must all be sleeping now or the new shift are focusing elsewhere?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 04:43 | 4972323 disabledvet
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Same here.

"The media war." Sometimes I get the feeling we're skipping over the hearts and minds part and going directly to the "you're suppose to hate us you're just not doing anything about it" (insert "ha,ha" here phrase interestingly) phase.

The difference in the numbers precludes notions of humanity in these matters.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 00:44 | 4972064 A Nanny Moose
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Catherine Bach

Jessica Simpson

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:13 | 4971639 DoChenRollingBearing
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CrazyCooter

Yes, the black box will be critical here.  I wonder if Boeing (or whoever) will get it back?  What will be on it?

***

I agree re NO WAR from this tragedy as well as punishing the Banksters.  Nice post, three ideas in a nice compact space.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:24 | 4971870 disabledvet
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American "legal eagle" at The Hague: "DID JEW ORDER THE CODE MORON?????!!!!!!"

Colonel Jessupski: "Listen, son. We have a job to do and sometimes in the course of doing our job people die. Are we clear?"

American Legal Eagle: "yes, we're clear."

Colonel Jesuppski: "I SAID ARE WE CLEAR?????!!!!!"

(You all know the rest...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 04:46 | 4972326 disabledvet
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I can't believe I got up arrowed for that. "Try as I might I cannot match the psychotic insanity of the opposition."

Don't forget to vote in November sheeple! Vote "holocaust for you" and "vote yes!"

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:48 | 4972234 ThirteenthFloor
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Black box goes to the Flight Transportation Agency that owned the aircraft, i.e. Malaysian authorities....which opens another can of worms (same guys that lost MH370).  They could give it to NTSB (the US boys). Boeing is last to see it, unless it was a mechanical defect/failure.

RT reports that Russian authorities have the box and provide chain of custody

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:20 | 4971660 7.62x54r
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I'm wondering if a Malaysian jihaddi pilot did a controlled flight into the ground.

A US - Russia war would be a win/win for that crowd.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:55 | 4971772 Goatboy
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Plane was burning before hitting the ground.
Here is a clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKIlueJg4cA

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:09 | 4971829 7.62x54r
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Thank you. Yea, it does look like a missile strike.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 00:45 | 4972067 RECISION
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Wasn't this all supposed to have happened at 2:00AM.
In other words - the middle of the night...???
All very odd.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:23 | 4972125 All_Your_Base
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Condolences

 

Fuck the red pill

 

17 year old plane belonging to MALAYSIAN AIRLINES (17) on flight number MH17 falls on the 17th day at 1700

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:51 | 4972241 Bernoulli
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And to add to that (normally I am really not superstitious or anything), according to RT the maiden flight of this plane was EXACTLY 17 years ago 17th July 1997.

What is going on here?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 04:48 | 4972329 disabledvet
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Very interesting comment and reply.

It is possible that jihadi's did this too.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:22 | 4972358 JohninMK
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Comments say this could be an old video of an AN26 being downed.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:35 | 4971477 agNau
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Bo, Luke, Daisy?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:25 | 4971874 disabledvet
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Don't forget the crafty Uncle.

Always one step ahead.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:20 | 4971663 TheMeatTrapper
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Duke Nukem

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:47 | 4971917 ILLILLILLI
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The Duke...

 

The Duke: [Snake's been captured after getting shot in the leg with an arrow] Who are you? 
[Snake says nothing, staring defiantly; the Duke grabs the arrow in Snake's leg and twists it
The Duke: I said, WHO ARE YOU? 
[Snake... in obvious agony, still says nothing
Brain: Snake Plissken, Duke... the Man sent him in. Somethin's goin' down, we need him... 
The Duke: [releases the arrow] Snake Plissken... I've heard of you. 
[strikes Snake with a tire iron, knocking him unconscious
The Duke: I heard you were dead! 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:54 | 4971953 ILLILLILLI
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 03:09 | 4972259 TahoeBilly2012
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David Duke

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 09:32 | 4972879 Zymurguy
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Duke of Earl

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:48 | 4971934 Idaho potato head
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Ya think? Oy vey.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 00:29 | 4972030 Buck Johnson
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After seeing this, I wonder would the Kiev tower have the authority to divert a plane a certain way.  If its so then what we have here is a deceptively evil plan that was hatched either by Kiev itself (Not buying that), or the US gave the okay (I hope not).  Either way Russia didn't do this.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:38 | 4972151 All_Your_Base
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What if USSA gave a hint to Kiev in advance that it was Putin's plane? Whoops! USSA could maintain deniability while HitleryInc sets up Russia as culprit à la Muammar al-Gaddafi? Christine Lagarde certainly hopes the IMF has something to do with it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:13 | 4971382 Sam Clemons
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Was it brought down near the 33rd parallel from a height of 33,000 feet?  Was it a 777 taking off on 7/17/ (2+0+1+4 = 7)? Was it flight MH-17? Were there 23 Americans? Were there 6 Britons?

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:17 | 4971398 magpie
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One of them has to perish from this Earth, Freemasonry or Judaism...and it won't be Judaism.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:58 | 4971570 magpie
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Usually i do not care about up or down votes...but the reasoning behind these...i mean...is it kill them both ? or poor masons ? kill the jews only ?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:11 | 4971631 Lore
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Psychopaths wear group membership like you and I wear old shirts. And they have been known to 'layer' their 'clothing,'

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 00:00 | 4971990 4 wheel drift
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-LOL....    so right !

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:10 | 4972390 hairInTheSoup
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why judaism, why do you oppose masons & jews ?

that's where you get it all wrong :

it's SIONISM & SIONISM only;

overseeing the difference is plain ignorance

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:20 | 4971404 hobopants
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The same shit heads who dreamt up 9/11 pulled this one off. The childish infatuation with numbers is nearly proof enough. 9/11 and now 777 on 7/17/14?? This was no coincidence, but it does coincide perfectly with that tanned monkey's speech about the power of 7.

This is just the start of it... 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:25 | 4971434 pods
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I think the London Tube Bombings was more shocking.

pods

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:39 | 4971464 hobopants
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"The 7 July 2005 London bombings (often referred to as 7/7)"

Wow good one, so now we have 7/7, 7/17/14, 9/11. 

It's embarrassing how oblivious people are when they are being this brazen about it. It's nearly comic book villain crap.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:13 | 4971638 ILLILLILLI
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Please consult your Kabbalah for further information...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:39 | 4971710 FeralSerf
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Crap shoot -- seven come eleven with loaded dice.

Maybe some group is trying to tell us something.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:10 | 4971832 Rootin' for Putin
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BINGO!

What do we win for getting all the numbers?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:41 | 4971502 Cacete de Ouro
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Don't forget the triangle of the London bombings on 7/7.
Get a street map of London which also shows the real tube tunnel routes, then draw a line between the exact detonation point at kings Cross on the circle line and the exact detonation point just to the east of the track before Edgware Road. Then draw a line from Kkngs Cross to the detonation point just west of Aldgate. Then complete the triangle between Edgware Road and Aldgate. Then trace the Kings Cross explosion point down through the Tavistock bus explosion point and you will see that it intersects the base of the triangle at exactly the equidistant point between Edgware Road and Aldgate through the base of the perfect Triangle. Then notice that the Tavisstock bus explosion is the eye within the circle.

And the vertical line goes very near 77 Great Russell Street, the world Zionist headquarters. Mossad nearly got it perfect, bus the bus explosion was a lite bit off, hence they were a bit disappointed by that.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:45 | 4971520 pods
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To be honest I don't follow any of the numerology.  

Only the fact that the London bombing went on at the exact places and times as the ones in a security drill running that day.

That one was super dirty. Easier to see through that 911, if that is possible.

London was absolutely a false flag and easy to spot.  Like the 93 WTC bombing.

The only real thing these events have taught me is to NOT trust any feelings, only what facts you can discern.

pods

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:59 | 4971559 hobopants
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The only fact I'm sure of, is the fact that it doesn't take much to fool the American population. That black box could have all the damning evidence in the world on it, and it wouldn't matter.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:56 | 4971560 Thought Processor
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Tavistock is a fucked up organization.  Bus blowing up with Tavistock as a destination?  That one goes right down the rabbit hole.

 

7/7 was an op without a doubt.  

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:06 | 4971815 palmereldritch
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Lest we forget Darth Cheney on 8/8/8:

http://www.infowars.com/cheneys-dark-hand-behind-georgia-attack-of-south...

So whose in charge here ? Obviously it’s not Bush — so it must be Darth Vader himself , Dick Cheney, who once pronounced " The natural state of man is war ."

Here’s the Georgia / Russian War in a nutshell, verifying the Cheney presence, as reported by F William Engdahl in ICH, on August 8th — " As far as the Georgians are concerned, South Ossetia and Abkhazia are simply part of their national territory, to be recovered at all costs. Promises by NATO leaders to bring Georgia into the alliance, and ostentatious declarations of support from Washington, have emboldened Saakashvili to launch his military offensive against the two provinces, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Saakashvili and likely, Dick Cheney’s office in Washington appear to have miscalculated very badly. Russia has made it clear that it has no intention of ceding its support for South Ossetia or Abkhazia." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20489.htm

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 03:31 | 4972287 Duffy Duck
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worth mentioning that Georgia's defense minister during the war was...in Georgia...a Jewish man with Israeli citizenship who'd lived in Israel for years, and assuredly had ties to Netanyahu and Mossad.

Now Netanyahu almost certainly was involved in a nuclear smuggling ring - there's zero question such a ring stole nuclear material for Israel - and not only has the US done nothing, Congress is being told by AIPAC to pass a visa waiver, unilateral, that will let in even more Israeli spies.

Add to this the obvious links to Israel 9/11 had, the fact NSA sigint networks were mostly built by Israeli firms with known ties to Mossad, plus they get the raw data, and now Feinstein et. al. is trying to ensure ALL data intercept, by dhs, dia, etc. all has to go to NSA...

 

I mean....  just because you're paranoid/don't mean they're not {actually} after you....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:39 | 4971495 BLOTTO
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They symbolize using sacred geometry, astrology and numerology.

.

Occultists/Cainites/sun worshipers

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:03 | 4971587 I_Am_
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@ hobopants -- LOL ++++ for 'tanned monkey'  

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:14 | 4971842 palmereldritch
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Tanned NWO winged-monkey*

/embelishment

 

*Also available for Illuminati Black Masses and septic tank cleaning

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:10 | 4971607 Hook Line and S...
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Hey Hobopants, a bee once wrote about that same human infatuation...

"Being a bee and all, I buzz loudly about all sorts of geometric shapes my bombastic bee brain tells me I ‘create’.

So, for those who are wondering, if you’re one of those two-legged ones that get too close to my hexagonally inspired honeycomb, I’ll sting you good! Seriously now, if you’re well behaved and don’t wear any obnoxious colors, I’ll likely ignore your primitive gardening antics.

When multi-faceted eyes behold the expansive mirrored nature of honeycomb, all that’s perceived are golden windows that drip the tentative nature of cause and effect. Oh, did I tell you that fractal flowers don’t have an inside or outside leaf when I land on them either. Bzzzz, some bees know that the ‘gold’ color could be any color, or none at all. To us, it’s a mind-generated hue that we like to share. Some smart aleck bee once told me that those with 2 eyes can only see honey, but then again, he was buzzed.

Buzzing around the 2-legged ones math…

The math the bees use is just a descriptor… one that focuses the realization that a timeless perspective shows cause and effect to buzz in neither direction. Even time that buzzes in circles is still bound by time. It also illustrates that a pattern perceived hums the understanding that all is interrelated and 5 sense filled portions of the entirety.

At first, we built our birth chambers according to the 3 subjective feelings of primary color… using the red of roses, the blue of morning glory, and the green of aphids. We imagined what it would be like to copy our bee brains interpretation and express it in our honeycomb. We knew all the other insects would think we were cool, if not great creator queen bees ourselves.

We made a complete circle around the place where the hive was to reside, landing on flowers that were 120 degrees from each other, whose colors reflected to the center of our attention. This trinity of creativity produced the shape of our hexagon birth cells. We never thought we created the bee brain that interpreted the colors, but we knew other insects wouldn’t know the difference! Bee arrogance had never been so outlandish!

Those with long shovel like instruments like to say that we build our birth chambers with 6 edges and 6 vertices. We don’t know what these bipedals claim by the word ‘vertice’, but we think it means ‘Angel’, or ‘Angle’ or something like that.

2 legged ones also say that the total of the internal angles of any hexagon is 720 degrees.

Then, they apply more white stuff on their noses, and add up their numbers from a set like ‘720’ (add 7+2), and flash strange grins when related numbers such as ‘9’ appear… as if by magic! But alas, the numbers appear only because math is a type of buzzing language which describe fractals that they were programmed to interpret. Don’t buzz that info around most human ears because all you’ll get is a dumb look across their ugly faces. Tell a 2 legged one who needs math to make their ‘understanding’ godlike, and get ready to be sprayed with malathion!

Understand, we may be upside down in the hive, so many of our 9’s suggest 6’s. The exterior angels have 60 wings, bzzz, I mean 60 degrees, while the interior angles are 120 for well shapes wax cells, while irregularly shaped cells can never add up to more than 180 angelic winged bees on the inside.

As the number or quantity of individual falsely spiritual angles grow or contract upon the varied perspectives of distance, space and time of the bee who’s observing, the minuscule insect sized left brained (and yes…useful) structure of the language called math is focused in a honeycomb crystalline perspective. For us yellow and black flyers, math is buzzed into existence by our hive mind, stoops with one knee stooped before the right-brain, and both bee-knees placed firmly on the ground to the left. Some of our queen bees try to force us to view equivalencies as separate from their creation. If the queens would relax and eat some pollen, and the drones would take a break, the whole hive consciousness would peer down from on top of the iceplant covered hill to comprehend its limited nature.

At least a bee can dream!

Did I tell you that  a single sting from a big nasty bee can hurt like heck, while another single sting from a pipsqueak bee can barely be felt? Here in the honeycomb universe, every observation is temporarily bound by the perspective of proximity to the hive.

The distance between flowers, the time it takes to make honeycomb, and the space in each hexagonal bee-birthing chamber are described by the 2-eyed ones who bottle our honey in their created language of math. But I’m not getting ready to place my stinger in them just yet (although they do need to stop building cell towers next to our hives and having us pollinate GM crops). Know why? There was a time when our queen bees were bee-bent on forming the temporary creations of arrogant clothes wearing consciousness. Yes… bees once wore ridiculous overalls and wide brimmed hats as well."

Hook Line and Airstreams

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:20 | 4971666 DoChenRollingBearing
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It's great seeing you back in action, H,L & S.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:44 | 4971731 Hook Line and S...
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I was stuck in Puerto Nuevo paralyzed from eating too much Mexican lobster!

Thought I'd never leave  ; )

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:28 | 4971876 hobopants
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That was an interesting perspective, reminded me of a poem by Wordsworth.

"Sweet is the lore which Nature brings;
Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:--
We murder to dissect.

Enough of Science and of Art;
Close up those barren leaves;
Come forth, and bring with you a heart
That watches and receives."

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 04:59 | 4972338 disabledvet
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The morrow brings yore. What news of yee shipping young pressman?! What are the goings on these days!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:48 | 4972159 Mesquite
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'Fingerprints'...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 08:43 | 4972707 tvdog
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Flight MH17, a Boeing 777, shot down on 7/17, on its 17th anniversary in service.

Cabalists are big on numerology.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 00:05 | 4972011 Aussie V
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The sript has already been written and the we are the audience for the moment.

I am AMAZED at how this is being reported in the Oz media and even more amazed at our knuckle dragging Prime Ministers comments implicating Putin with his first comment and only stopping short of declaring an all our assault against the Russian embassy with words like, "once all the facts are in" etc but making statements like "if this missle initially came from Russia that implicates Putins as responsible!"

Hell, doesn't that mean every bullet and bomb dropping in the Middle East implicates Obama? (They all hailed from the US)

I've never seen a Govt leader so ready to turn his entire country against a certain country and leader since Iraq and Saddam Hussein.

They want war. What troubles me deeply is the ignorance of the Adults let alone the youth. Once upon a time we could always count on 10% of the grown ups to have a level head. That level head is nowhere to be seen here

Make your plans because this may get out of control quickly.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:06 | 4972342 disabledvet
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I'm amazed that we're being shut down here. I try my darnedest at being at being as good a facsimile of a "fringer" as can be. Nay, veerily...this labeled we are now...DANGEROUS!

yet USELESS too!

Here yeea, here yeea! Nostrodomus is nigh! Fearsome wastrel de la malcontentia opineth forth with great visage!

Thy chirpocracy shall be denied! Your bird brain sends evil vibism and must be...

Alas! Fair maiden returns!
Hear yea, hear yea!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 07:59 | 4972585 ebear
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"Was it brought down near the 33rd parallel"

Not even close, but now some people will think so.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:50 | 4971764 Bingo Hammer
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Don't tell me the White Duke (David Bowie) was on that flight!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:04 | 4973748 NCSpurs
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http://www.wral.com/duke-professor-mourns-loss-of-colleague-who-died-on-...

 

Joep Lange, who was traveling with a large contingent of AIDS researchers and activists, was a longtime friend and colleague of Michael Merson, director of the Duke Global Health Institute.
So in a way, there was a Duke.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:58 | 4971571 tempo
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Since April the FAA has restricted this air space, no US, British, EU, planes have flown near the space. Who directed this plane to fly in the known battle area. Who benefits?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:23 | 4971856 Sam Clemons
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Are we sure the plane even had people on it?  Are we sure it wasn't the MH-370 repurposed and flown as a new Lusitania?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:31 | 4971699 Westcoastliberal
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Was it the "Duke of Louisville, Bill Bailey"?  I thought he was already dead.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:49 | 4971940 booboo
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Duke of Oil

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 00:43 | 4972061 junction
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From RT:

Reports that Putin flew similar route as MH17, presidential airport says 'hasn't overflown Ukraine for long time' Published time: July 17, 2014 18:13
Edited time: July 18, 2014 04:29
   

Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 298, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.

“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.

"The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 01:08 | 4972105 Bluebear
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Hmm.... the media seems to be shaping the impression that Russia is responsible for the air crash... think about it... who has the most to gain from this? 
 
Why the Malaysian Airlines? An airline which has shown absolute ineptness in investigating the truth?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:10 | 4972188 tulpenmanie
Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:00 | 4971313 John McCloy
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   I just posted something similar to this 5 mins ago on the other thread...does not seems like a coincidence at all to me..esepcially now with reports of potential military planes trailing the flight.

 I was curious so I noticed something else a little strange. If you look at the bottom of the page you can review every flight for each day of Malaysian Airlines leaving out of Amsterdam.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK

  It seems this flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur is a daily flight. I went back and looked at the flight path of every flight from today all the way back until July 4th. It seems they have a very standard pre-programmed plan for this flight. In every flight I looked at just as they are entering the center of Ukraine the plane heads south and crosses over the Sea of Asov typically some 50 miles SOUTH of Mariupol. Each flight with out fail did this aside from one that veers even further south and actually goes directly over the Crimean Peninsula. 

   Of the 15 flights I looked not a single flight has not entered Russia over the Sea of Azov..aside from one..that was today's downed flight which is the only anomaly and for some reason continued straight over Donetsk which is some 100 MILES NORTH of where all the previous flights pathes.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:08 | 4971354 Rootin' for Putin
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Good sleuthing!

Now lets see if some internet nerd has recordings of mas17 picking up its clearance.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:09 | 4971362 Four chan
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pilot error?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:28 | 4971449 conscious being
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The "pilot" who took over was sitting in some place like Nevada.

BUAP Kills.  Dov Zakhiem, PNAC dude has a firm that develops fly by wire.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:03 | 4971803 MiltonFriedmans...
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Or maybe on an AWACS plane or a Sheraton hotel room in Chicago with a RedSwitch

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:12 | 4972351 disabledvet
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Not going for he olde "I think I'll just turn left here" defense I see.

Co-pilot to pilot: "we're sixty miles off course Capatain!"
Pilot: "but the Sea of Azov is so pretty this time of day! What's a few thousand galleons of aviation fuel relative to such....what the hell is that thing streaking up?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:50 | 4971537 pods
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Well it could explain HOW it got shot down. If the guys manning those missile batteries were not used to seeing jets flying overhead and suddenly do, why not?

Say a Ukrainian defense force guy? They pick up a plane heading straight towards Russia?  Might think that it was something worth shooting, especially if there was no other commercial traffic around?

pods

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:09 | 4971365 Cacete de Ouro
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Tylers, exactly my point. Here is my post on this topic that I posted on another article just now....

The MH17 flight altered course today by flying a lot further north within Ukraine compared to its various flight paths earlier in the week to Kuala Lumpur.

See below:

it was flying at a distinctly more northerly flight route than usual today (17th)

July 14th flight path
http://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140714/1000Z/EHAM...

July 16th flight path
http://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140716/1000Z/EHAM...

July 17th flight path (a lot further north within Ukraine)
http://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM...

The question is why did MH17 have it's flight path altered to the north on 17th and who planned/actioned/authorized/implemented this change?

This needs to be investigated ASAP, and there will be attempts to bury these details as we speak

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:14 | 4971389 john39
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Victoria Nuland phoned in the flight plan.  And notified the blackwater mercs with the missle battery that the package was on the way...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:01 | 4971791 disabledvet
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"God damn Jews." Thank God for Harry Truman. Plus that cool biography of him. Not a big fan of how the while MacArthur thing turned out...but Omar Bradley famously said "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" and that was that.

That didn't stop Kissinger/Nixon of course.

God really does have a sense of humor. He knows all these people are going straight to hell. The only question he ponders is "will the Americans do it for me again this time or not?"

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:55 | 4971557 Lostinfortwalton
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Generally computers generate the long-range flight plans in accordance with prevailing weather patterns and taking into account the published air routes. The computer may have scheduled the aircraft to go further north than usual and it was not overridden and modified by the pilot. Once enroute the plan could easily have been modified by coordinating with Eurocontrol.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:03 | 4971806 disabledvet
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Part of me says Putin should admit to blowing it out of the sky actually. "How's that for a cheeseburger Mr President?"

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 05:17 | 4972354 disabledvet
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I understand the whole "he's the good guy, we're the baddie waddie"
here. Just opining in the name of creating good script here..."let's think about playing the bad boy role for a moment."

Nothing says "phuck you" to the West (in Western eyes) than openly displaying ones villainous nature. The popcorn eaters demand somebody do something!

"And then...as if in a dream...Prince Leotard arriveth!"

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:10 | 4971833 rosiescenario
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Were there thunderstorms which would account for the different course?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 03:34 | 4972290 Duffy Duck
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no.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:22 | 4971418 bh2
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While it's a stretch to suggest a connection, it's reasonable to wonder how the same airline has now lost two modern passenger jets in a short period of time owing to a strange off-course deviation by the crew which cannot be rationally explained.

If they loose a third one, it will surely be well past time to ask far more penetrating -- and different -- questions.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:57 | 4971566 StormShadow
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Coincidence or not, I'm not flying Malaysian even if its 1/5 the price of the next cheapest flight. They're either targeted or incompetent and I chose to be neither.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:08 | 4971613 Thought Processor
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What are the Odds?

 

From another thread-

 

Three facts.

1. Malaysian Airlines 777s (MH370 and now MH17) have been the source of the two most 
recent air disasters.

2. Malaysian Airlines is a small airlines with 49 active aircraft and just 12...now 
10....777s.

3. There are roughly 40,000 active passenger aircraft in the world.

---
That means for this to happen twice it requires a selection of the same random pool 
twice.

The size of this random pool is 12/40,000.

Therefore the odds of a disaster happening twice to the same type of aircraft from the 
same airline is (12/40,000) x (12/40,000) = (144/1,600,000,000) or

1 in 11,111,111.11

Roughly one in 11 million.

The odds become even more extreme if you factor in the two disasters have occurred within 
a few months of each other.

However, I don't know how to calculate that and don't want to work it out. Would have to 
do with looking at how often plane crashes occur.

I'd imagine though that the odds of the same type of plane from the same airline having 
such extreme disasters within months of each other is in the order of 1 in a trillion or 
even higher.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:13 | 4971640 magnetosphere
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uhhh no.  your math needs work

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:24 | 4971681 Thought Processor
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Not my math, just reposting from another thread.

Feel free to correct it though, that is if you think it's incorrect.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:06 | 4971820 disabledvet
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I've been consulting with my Oracle of (Big)Buddha...and he says the odds of further loss to this airline are not only possible but probable.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:31 | 4971678 Hook Line and S...
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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:46 | 4971921 davepowers
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well said

:)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:00 | 4972176 Hook Line and S...
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your comment painted a contorted smile across my already contorted face!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 02:02 | 4971703 Hook Line and S...
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Hey Thought Processor,

You said, "Therefore the odds of a disaster happening twice to the same type of aircraft from the same airline is (12/40,000) x (12/40,000) = (144/1,600,000,000) or 1 in 11,111,111.11""

I say,

The joke is on us...

Listen ZH'rs... what is 911?

Try multiplying 9 sets of 11 by itself (duality), or 111,111,111 x111,111,111 = 12345678987654321... every set of angles you need to construct and control the very substance of brain language.

Not logical, but its the suggestion made to our collective subconscious that counts!

Hook Line and Svengali!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:12 | 4971637 TicoTiger
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Ask George Soros.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:11 | 4971837 willwork4food
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Or Kissenger.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:33 | 4971459 philipat
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I think we can safely assume that the CVR and DFDR (The Balck boxes) are now in Russian hands. So depending on whose false flag this was, we may or may not get a transcript from the CVR?? This would, of course, include conversations with ATC.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 21:41 | 4971503 pods
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The black boxes will at best confirm that it was hit by a missile.  Probably a conversation about a stewardess and then BOOM followed by a bunch of screaming and swearing.

The only damaging information is whether the plane diverted north by request from ATC. Even that wont be enough to pin it on anyone.

This is going to be volleyed back and forth between Russia and the US and the only moral of the story is don't fly commercial over a war zone.

pods

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 22:15 | 4971650 BlindMonkey
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+1 for the advice to not fly into a war zone.

 

WTF was that about?  That seriously makes no sense.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:09 | 4971826 disabledvet
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Right up there with going all in in Gaza.

Oh, wait...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:09 | 4971830 disabledvet
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Right up there with going all in in Gaza.

Oh, wait...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 23:22 | 4971864 1stepcloser
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Right sorta like who runs a drill on 911 of hijacked airliners, only NORAD that's who!

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