White House Statement Offers Condolences, Blames Russia, Demands "Full, Credible, Unimpeded" Investigation Into MH17 Crash

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The White House issued a full statement at 2238ET with regard the Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 crash following President Obama's earlier brief comments: "The United States is shocked by the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, and we offer our deep condolences to all those who lost loved ones on board... It is critical that there be a full, credible, and unimpeded international investigation as quickly as possible... While we do not yet have all the facts, we do know that this incident
occurred in the context of a crisis in Ukraine that is fueled by Russian
support for the separatists
, including through arms, materiel, and
training."

 

For Immediate Release July 17, 2014

Statement by the Press Secretary on Malaysian Airlines Flight 17

 

The United States is shocked by the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, and we offer our deep condolences to all those who lost loved ones on board. We continue to seek information to determine whether there were any American citizens on board.

 

It is critical that there be a full, credible, and unimpeded international investigation as quickly as possible.

 

We urge all concerned – Russia, the pro-Russian separatists, and Ukraine – to support an immediate cease-fire in order to ensure safe and unfettered access to the crash site for international investigators and in order to facilitate the recovery of remains. The role of international organizations – such as the United Nations and the OSCE in Ukraine – may be particularly relevant for this effort, and we will be in touch with affected nations and our partners in these organizations in the coming hours and days to determine the best path forward.

 

In the meantime, it is vital that no evidence be tampered with in any way and that all potential evidence and remains at the crash site are undisturbed. The United States remains prepared to contribute immediate assistance to any international investigation, including through resources provided by the NTSB and the FBI.

 

While we do not yet have all the facts, we do know that this incident occurred in the context of a crisis in Ukraine that is fueled by Russian support for the separatists, including through arms, materiel, and training. This incident only highlights the urgency with which we continue to urge Russia to immediately take concrete steps to de-escalate the situation in Ukraine and to support a sustainable cease-fire and path toward peace that the Ukrainian government has consistently put forward.

So here we are... Ukraine blames Russian separatists, Putin blames Ukraine, USA blames Russia... and has the tapes to "prove" it

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WayBehind's picture

Message from Putin to Obama: Next time we take down your Air Force One

WayBehind's picture

Anyone else has the feeling that it will be a very cold winter in Europe?

AmericasCicero's picture

If you are referring to a lack of heating gas, then yes.  If you are referring to nuclear winter...then yes.

Latina Lover's picture

Yes, this is just another FALSE FLAG to demonize Russia. 

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

ZH member pods had the right idea on another recent thread: get those black boxes!  If they (whoever has the black boxes now, Moscow?) let Boeing and our NTSA examine them, we might solve the mysteries.

Letting in US (and British & Malaysian) investigators would likely be able to find missile debris too, which tell us perhaps WHOSE missile it was that hit the plane...

I wonder just how transparent this investigation will be.....

BlindMonkey's picture

I don't think there is a factual issue with it being a Russian SAM system.  All three actors in the area use the same gear so what would that prove?

Ms. Erable's picture

It sure as hell wasn't a shoulder-fired/MANPADS weapon; the SA-18 has an operational ceiling of a little over 2 miles (11,000 feet, according to specs). If the Russians have an operational 4th-gen system, they wouldn't be handing it out to the yokels.

Skateboarder's picture

I have like ten minutes for news over the next week, and this event seems significant. WTF is going on here?

p.s. am talking about this whole new crash incident - I have no idea what's going on. Was notified an hour ago...

RevRex's picture

It's funny when the Commander _in_Chimp says "credible".....

BobPaulson's picture

"We demand that this investigation be carried out to the same level of scientific rigour as the 9/11 commission!"

Nexus789's picture

The Ukrainan military have 4th gen missle systems. Also the plane deviated off the flight path of tracked by the previous 10 flights.

https://twitter.com/VagelisKarmiros/status/489926167731142656/photo/1

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

BlindMonkey, maybe they could find serial numbers or other subtle evidence (soil samples?) that might lead to who owned or fired the missile.  Hey, I don't know..., but those crash inspectors are pretty good at their jobs.

disabledvet's picture

This is about "an Agenda."

The "actors" concerned here are already set in their ways. "Evidence" as it were is irrelevant. "What remains is the tragedy yet to unfold."

You and I are not to be involved in this matter...so I would counsel no involvement then. These are folks who have a supreme sense of self importance. But no one seems to be asking...let alone answering...toward what good?

Why should we not only not care about any of this...but why shouldn't we in fact hate everyone and everything involved in all this?

r0mulus's picture

its true that the narrative was introduced more or less concurrently with the news of the tragedy. that takes a peculiar amount of internal concensus not typically seen in the halls of state.

war is not a forgone conclusion though. look at the peculiar case of syria. top down information heirarchies tried to push some fabricated bullshit with the pretty clearly staged* gas attacks. the decentralized information networks went into full gear and undermined it on a factual basis to the point where it became impractical for even our pathetic congress to broadly support.

if the decentralized information networks win the narrative battle against the top down information heirarchies on a public basis, ie with a critical mass of the people/sheeple, they remove the ability of the forces of empire and hegemony to hide themselves in the language/narrative of "peace and democracy", "protecting the people", "the greater good", "imminent threats", "terrorism" and other convenient facets of just war theory. the top down information heirarchies of the west prefer to rule from behind the scenes where the oppressive forces are passively implemented (ie debt society, crony capitalism, chomskian forces of "unspoken" social conformity); they require that the illusion of justness be preserved as it is their justification for power and centralization. it allows them to act. but to do this, they have to redefine language and make 2 + 2 = 5: this was the great lesson of orwell. the need for the suspension of disbelief of "2 + 2 = 5" also justifies the top down information heirarchies' need to create incidents in which they can assume this desired "just" and "humanitarian" posture. thus syria, thus gulf of tonkin, thus kuwaiti babies on the floor, thus iraqi wmds, thus tension/gladio, 9/11, 7/7, The Levon Affair, and so on and so forth.

it really almost seems like they will keep trying this kind of shit until something, anything, sticks. we in the decentralized information networks need to stay vigilant and have faith that our collective faculties of logic, skepticism, and scientific proof can prevent the top down information heirarchies from leading society astray under the pretense of false narratives.

 

*my point here is not that the power that be necessarily did it by their own hand, but that someone staged them and the powers that be chose not to verify the claims according to scientific method, our best current way of determining truth.

r0mulus's picture

sorry. site is fucked , ddos or something, and tripled my post.

r0mulus's picture

sorry. site is fucked , ddos or something, and tripled my post.

BlindMonkey's picture

Perhaps.  There is a photo series of the claimed captured missle system that the DPR/LPR rebels have.  

 

http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/rusvesna.su/news/1404041521

 

Any paper trail will point to the Ukraine.  How could an investigator prove the source from the physical wreckage?  With mobile systems even data from US or Russia that would likely be inconclusive.

Buck Johnson's picture

Zero hedge is getting hit hard, I'm having trouble trying to read and comment on this site.  Especially if I se firefox. I think that zerohedge has brought up things that they don't want brought up.

DJ Happy Ending's picture

Something's up. Anyone else getting this message below?

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DoChenRollingBearing's picture

About an hour ago (when I tried putting my post up above), I had a lot of trouble too.  Past few minutes have been fine though.

Time-out for us?  ;)

Thought Processor's picture

 

ZH was clearly under some sort of DNS attack yesterday.  

 

Various Gov. agencies are actively trying to control the narrative of both breaking and ongoing events with the intention of swaying and or directing public opinion.  This is all documented fact, that is that they exist and are active.

Those who have been around here long enough know what's up.  Shills and trolls are easy to spot.  

This site is being targeted, plain and simple.

The DNS attack is new though.

 

Welcome to the world we now live in.

r0mulus's picture

man im glad it wasn't just me. my guess is that we are looking at some kind of implementation of HAVOK, a GCHQ JTRIG asset that does "real-time website cloning technique allowing on-the-fly alterations".
from page 8 of the JTRIG document released by the Intercept: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/07/14/jtrig-tools-techn...
...which is part of this article, which strangely does not mention HAVOK, despite its awesome potential: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/07/14/manipulating-online-polls-...

stay vigilant, friends. i recommend using noscript and ghostery and https everywhere as much as possible, not that they can't and won't find and log your shit down anyways. ;)

CognacAndMencken's picture

 

 

It's tracer or "identifier" software.  Just keep doing what you're doing and ignore it.  

UselessEater's picture

Its just very annoying 'cause I also get strange lay out, paperbag head avatars and then complete failure to open an article and infinte loading times.... but not on all articles.

Bingo Hammer's picture

Same here, last 12 hrs have been a challenge just getting onto ZH

zhandax's picture

Last two days I have been getting flaky responses from the site.  At work and at home.  Two different browsers.  Sometimes unavailable.  Wonder if ZH interruptions are now predictive?

BobPaulson's picture

How are things over at the George Bush Center for Intelligence?

Thought Processor's picture

 

 

Boy, there's a contradiction in terms............

BobPaulson's picture

I'm sure when they named the place, they were looking for the most ironic name imaginable. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

To me it almost is similar to the liar's smile, a way of gloating about the success and effectiveness of the most outrageous and brash lies in history emanating from there.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9186151/How-to-spot-a-li...

Mitzibitzi's picture

Same here, too. Some articles will work fine, others doing all manner of weird shit - or not opening at all despite repeated attempts.

Harbanger's picture

There is no doubt that the incident will be used to demonize Russia but I don't think it's a false flag, someone on the ground fucked up and took out what they thought was a a ukrainian military plane.

UselessEater's picture

Really? A mistake with a malaysian plane of all the airlines flying that air space? Coincidences rule?

tony wilson's picture

now it is getting weird.

the bbc just stated that a family on this plane that died yesterday  lost a sister in the last missing china sea malay plane problem.

what are the chances of that A

bbc a vital listen if you wanna nose what rothschild is thinking

BobPaulson's picture

I agree that being suspicious of coincidences is a good policy, but they still happen. I always use the logic that Ruppert used on 9/11 (very early on), which is: who profits the most from this? That tends to lead you to the answers.

A mistake is certainly feasible. By way of comparison, to me, TWA 800 looks like a US accidental shoot down because so little was decisively gained by it. I am keeping my mind open to the possibility that this was an accident.

Another few comparisons to give context on the accident side: Accidents like Piper Alpha, Bhopal, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, all in hindsight look like an impossible succession of flukes which align to give disasterous outcomes. Only by considering the massive number of times people operate dangerous equipment while constrained by human limitations and weakness, do you get an idea of how frequently we are on the edge of more and more of these events. What I am saying is that fingers are on buttons, and those fingers are attached to people who are tired, drunk, stupid, getting a blowjob, whatever, and then bad stuff happens. The avoidable disasters can be avoided by not putting all this hardware out there.

On this shoot down, it isn't super obvious the how US/Ukrainian side clearly benefits so to me it is still within the realm of possibility.

lakecity55's picture

I have been reading and blogging for two hours; the BBC has NOT let up on the propaganda.

WAR.

Sandmann's picture

BBC was nationalised in 1926 by Winston Spencer-Churchill to be a Propaganda Channel

Bossman1967's picture

No mystery here. To much going n in the last day for it to be like the other flight. Question is is what will our politicians,crooks,be doing while the spotlight is off our border. I was watching glenn Beck at 5 and his whole 1hr was on the border here.? Watch this hand over here.what a day WW3 anyone?

Global Observer's picture

Letting in US (and British & Malaysian) investigators ...

Why should anyone let in US or UK investigators? Malaysian is understandable since it was their plane that was shotdown, bhy the US or UK?

BobPaulson's picture

I assume he was being facetious in suggesting scientists with the worse record of being biased should do it. Like asking the vatican to investigate allegations of pedophilia.

Jahbulon's picture

At DoCHenRollingBearning - "I wonder just how transparent this investigation will be....."

 

If they make it as transparent as our AG does DOJ investigations then we probably won't learn much.........

mtl4's picture

Gimme a break, you actually think anyone is going to get those flight recorders before they have been tampered with?!

 

False flag events are never truth telling, you need to look at the evidence.........just look at flight 93, terrorists or not that plane was clearly shot down and since when has the WH admitted to that yet?

 

Can't wait to see the DOJ try and assist on this one.

conscious being's picture

Tylers, Sacralige, et.al. links from your home page to the top 2 stories on this MH-17 event, 'Was MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace?' and ' Ukraine Releases YouTube Cip Proving ...' are no longer working. Clicking links to either story from the home page loops back to the home page!! Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on this or better yet, resolve.  This is why they'll never kill the internet. They don't need to when they can so easily manipulate the content.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ralph Spoilsport's picture

Zh has been acting weird this evening. I had the same problem you did but it happened with any article. Now I'm getting this error message above the article title:

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Pheonyte's picture

The site has been out of whack all day, but it's really bad right now. ZH is under serious attack.

edotabin's picture

It is the ZH separatists /s

palmereldritch's picture

Name the GCHQ weapon (?)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-16/what-exactly-are-spy-agencies-a...

Perhaps all that extra exposure has required SUNBLOCK be applied to the PREDATORS FACE....

turbochef69's picture

LL-Could not agree more. We have been expecting it.