The Cancer Death-Panel App Is Here

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Originally posted at Economic Policy Journal,

When government gets involved in a sector, it distorts the sector. Corporations are not incentivized to strictly serve customers. This is now occurring in the healthcare sector--and is only going to get worse. A "cancer app" is an example of where medical personnel will play god to advance government and crony corporate interests instead of patient interests.

Robert Goldberg writes:

The latest innovation in cancer care isn’t a medical breakthrough but an app to ration new drugs. It’ll measure care in terms of what it costs health plans, instead of what it means for patients’ lives.

 

That it’s being developed under the auspices of the American Society for Clinical Oncology, or ASCO, the world’s leading oncology association, is a grim warning about the state of organized medicine.

 

The app will use an algorithm like those many health plans apply to limit access to innovative treatments. Wellpoint Inc., for one, measures cost-effectiveness by comparing the benefits, side effects and costs of various treatments for specific types of cancer. The ASCO app uses the same benchmarks...

 

The app’s biggest problem, though, is that it’s one-size-fits-all: It treats all patients as the same, ignoring the genetic variation in patient response that a new class of “targeted” cancer drugs will soon address.

 

Dig a bit deeper, and it’s clear that ]Dr. Lowell Schnipper, who heads ASCO’s Value in Cancer Care Task Force] and his allies have a more ideological motivation. He talks of limiting spending on new treatments as a way to make “the health-care system, not just the cancer system, more rational and just.”

 

And this line of thinking does away with the Hippocratic Oath. No longer is the doctor’s first obligation “to apply for the benefit of the sick, all measures that are required.” Instead, Schnipper believes three months of added life “is not a large enough benefit to trump the greater benefits to many that would have to be foregone to provide it.”

 

In fact, he regards the premium that Americans place on life as a character defect, observing, “Other cultures do not seem to view the postponement of death by a few months” the same way we do.

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Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:35 | 4974297 Dr. Richard Head
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On a long enough time line...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:00 | 4974443 Pool Shark
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"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few; or the one."

 

Spock would approve...

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:22 | 4974569 daveO
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Right. Unfortunately. This is part of the plan to cull the herd of retiring baby boomers. I've read at least two stories, in the last year, about baby boomers writing living wills. Time and CNN, I think. That tells you all you need to know. This stuff keeps on coming. Who needs concentration camps when you can get them to agree to die, voluntarily? Most are so brainwashed, they'd jump off a cliff if they got a pink t-shirt. Which would actually be an improvement over their current 'pink t-shirt' treatment.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:28 | 4974628 Joe Davola
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If it's software, it can be hacked and/or manipulated by a willing 3-letter agency (or some 25 y/o living in his mom's basement).

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:01 | 4974767 CrazyCooter
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Medical care costs are how the elite are going to trasnfer all the savings of the weathiest generation of middle class americans to themselves.

Everything else is just song and dance for the masses.

Don't believe me? Save your whole life, then have an emergency health problem in a public place, and whether you like it or not off to the local hospital you go. They will do whatever they think they can get away with, with an eye on billing as much as possible. If your insurance doesn't suck it all up, then those costs will come home to the piggy bank. This is the leading cause of bankruptcy with older folks.

So, to recap, everyone gets old, most people get sick, so might as well send costs into the stratosphere so the insiders can kick back and cash the checks.

Regards,

Cooter

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:10 | 4974821 pakled
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You may be right CC (may I call you CC?). BUT, obeying the basic "follow the money" law, I would like to see how a dollar bill flows thorugh the system and what portion of it lands in the pocket(s) of the 'insiders'.

 

Just sayin...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:00 | 4975092 Stackers
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The UK's N.I.C.E. board has been doing this for a long time. Hello Death Panel.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:48 | 4975304 long-shorty
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There are several thousand things wrong with Obamacare, but is ZH now suddenly of the belief that there is a constitutional right for each of us to consume as many health care resources as we possibly can?

Why should society pay for interventions that cost $100k, $500k, or even $1 million per quality-adjusted life year saved?

Whether or not we ration health care is no more of a real choice than whether or not we give everyone prime rib for dinner each night and a TESLA to drive. We don't have the resources available to pay for unlimited health care. Either we ration care in a way that makes sense and has some thought put into it (e.g. if an intervention costs more than $200k per life-year saved, the government won't pay for it), or else we just ration care willy-nilly where the state pays for hugely expensive interventions for some folks while others can't even get basic preventive care.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:09 | 4975369 Stackers
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First the government shouldnt be paying for everyones health care - just like it is not buying everyone TESLAs and prime rib already.

 

I'll go out on a limb and speak up for Mr Durden in that he doesnt believe it is a constitutional right to consume health care any more than he believes there is ANY constitutional authority for the FEDERAL government to be messing with ANY of this in the first place.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:11 | 4974852 Miggy
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I cannot disagree about the medical costs. Right now insurance is so high because of all the narcotics this country is taking so your theory is already happening.

2 immediate things in my opinion:

1. Find out how to make small scale cannibas oil. There is a woman on youtube who gives a great explanation. Too many verified cancers cured coupled with it being made illegal in the 1930's and classified as a class 1 drug is all you need to know. If I had cancer cannibas oil is the first thing I do. See video below.

2. Liposomal Vitamin C. Again youtube. I personally have verifiable experience as to the healing qualities of massive vitamin C and the Liposomal method is better than an an expensive IV even. Couple the fact that the recommended dosage by the FDA of Vitamin C is so low its a joke which is again the all you need to know moment.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sGWxz0DMSI

 

John 3:16

 

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:37 | 4975624 mc225
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in a normal world, we would just grow weed, opium, mushrooms, and peyote right out in the open. it would be everywhere, and no one would think anything much of it. as it is, we eschew the plants, yet go running to the 'doctor' for some pills.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:54 | 4974722 Harbanger
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Can you say DEATH PANEL, Bitchez. -Sarah Palin 2009.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:07 | 4976229 drendebe10
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The good news is that your elected corrupt ruling political elite turds have voted and passed to exempt themselves from this...    WTF? Wake up!

 

"Politiicans and diapers should be changed frequently and for the same reason."   Robin Williams

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:00 | 4974449 Hugh G Rection
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:06 | 4974476 Christophe2
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People worried about cancer should DEFINITIVELY check out Rick Simpson Oil (>75% cancer cure rate, established from curing THOUSANDS):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

TPTB want to make money while they poison you with cancer causing 'cures' (chemo + radiation).  Who is still dumb enough to play along?

The best part of the RSO cure is that all the info for making it is publicly available, which means the shitty Man can't stop anyone from curing themselves (or their pets)!  FUCK YOU ILLUMINATI FILTH!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:11 | 4974515 daveO
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'Who is still dumb enough?' People with more insurance than brains. If they were required to pay out of their own pockets, they'd do some research before jumping in blindly.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:54 | 4974735 p00k1e
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If peeps had to pay cash for their family’s cancer treatments, the “Death Panels” would be moved to the kitchen able.

I urge you to go to any ICU. 

Medical peep - “Your so & so needs this treatment, do you approve?”
So & so – “Does insurance cover it?”
Medical peep – “Yes.”
So & so – “Of, course I approve, nothing is too good for my so & so.”

Alternatively,

Medical peep - “Your so & so needs this treatment, do you approve?”
So & so – “Does insurance cover it?”
Medical peep – “No.”
So & so – “Is there any free aid?”
Medical peep – “No.”
So & so – “I’m sorry, we can’t afford the treatment.”

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:44 | 4975464 iamrefreshed
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How did this not get like a zillion upvotes?

 

True story...I had a stroke, then surgery. Great insurance in a great hospital. Guy in the room next door is near death, must have been 90, suffering and all. Heard his family bitching to the nurse that they had to keep him alive (and continue torturing the poor soul) because they had Medicaid and the government owed them (yes they were brown). Had they had to fork it over great-grandpa probably have met his maker that night. But then again the hospital brought meals to visitors! Had I a weapon I would have offed the "family".

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:24 | 4974876 Miggy
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I replied above before reading this. You are 100% correct.

 

Rick Simpson shows how to make it with a pound of cannibas but there is another video here where a woman makes small amounts and its much safer and easier to make. Very good video.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sGWxz0DMSI

 

John 3:16

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:55 | 4975062 Christophe2
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FWIW, in Rick's latest book on 'the protocol', he explains that it is better not to shred the plants before using the solvent to draw out the THC & cannabinoids, because by doing so you actually free the chlorophyll and other stuff that you don't want.

I was surprised by that, but it makes sense when you think of it: the THC & cannabinoids are actually on the outside of the plant (as a form of pollen to attract pollinators), so shredding the leaves is counter-productive.

Nonetheless, that lady's video is excellent and no doubt produces a very high quality oil - she definitively does a good job of making it even simpler and easier to make.

I am in fact planning on making myself a small batch to try to clear some vitiligo (loss of pigment), which is one of MANY 'incurable' conditions apparently cured by this oil. 

I can't wait to try it out!!!  :)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:44 | 4975462 bbq on whitehou...
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I would bet you will see results. The more exited you are about this experiment of yours the better the results will be.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:29 | 4974936 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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And after you die from their chemo & radiation the death certificate will say that you died from cancer!

The lying fucks.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:04 | 4975351 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Dupe

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:42 | 4975633 mc225
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there's a friend/longtime-client of my folks'. he's a renowned doctor. the doctor recently got cancer, and he's getting chemo for it. it's really odd; the sorts of things each of us believes in.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:01 | 4975866 Christophe2
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The doctors HAVE TO BELIEVE, otherwise they wouldn't be able to enjoy killing so many people.

In the end, they end up killing themselves too, since that is actually preferable than to dare doubt the system (which as a doctor, would mean losing your license and all the 'prestige').

Doctors are brain-washed morons who are made to think they are 'special' and way above the common folk.  What a bunch of assholes.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:50 | 4974724 NOTW777
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sarah palin right again

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:23 | 4975400 RaceToTheBottom
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Just as long as you keep that bitch out of my Elysium.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:39 | 4974308 Colonel Klink
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I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Obama, and death panels followed close behind him. They were given power over the American people to kill by sword, famine, plague, and the Federal Reserve.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:39 | 4974310 MsCreant
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Schnipper will be known in the future as an app that "schnipps" off three months of your life to keep insurance companys' profits high.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:01 | 4974454 Herd Redirectio...
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Yep, you will have to reverse mortgage your house to afford the treatment, and then once the docs are signed, 'Schnipp'.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:08 | 4974502 daveO
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With a name like Schnipper I don't have to speculate. 

On the plus side, the industry has now 'Jumped the Shark'. People will now look for alternatives, like eating properly and getting the right nutrition. I get disgusted everytime I see those pink ribbons from the Susan 'Gestapo' Komen foundation. There are a bunch brainwashed people in this country who willingly sacrifice their goyim relatives on the altar of false hope.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:32 | 4976291 BeetleBailey
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there's cures for all this shit...all of it...

under lock(s) and fuckin key(s) - in vaults....encrypted....

never to be used....the discoverers long bought off/killed...

no money in cures...only in the bullshit "foundations"

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:31 | 4974949 Ariadne
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schnipper score = (asset$/(legal shield devices + connections + popularity)) * (# politicians + # bloodsucking ambulance chasers)

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:57 | 4975342 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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I see this as a continuation of earlier plans to get peple off defined benefits retirements (1974 ERISA), extending the age of retirement (but you can still get fired early), SS pmts reducing, etc. The TPTB have spent that money on other things, and have plans for existing money to be used on shiny new space weapons (or other such items). So those folks dreaming of years of golf village retirements w/no out of pocket on medical aren't gonna get it. Also those dreaming of Medicare sponsored convalescent hospitals for their last 6 mos also ain't gonna get it.

Now, having seen surgeons get lots of practice on patients at end of life, I can see insurance co's wanting to limit that. Should you really have 2-3 surgeries (or chemo) over 75 and still end up dying a month later? Maybe some Americans really think Drs can fix anything (in no time). I've watched people methodically plow themselves in by drinking, smoking, not exercising, lousy diet for 20 yrs or more and still *every time* be surprised that they had a heart attack, cancer etc. It's like it's a big mystery. I think we do need to (as a group) take way better care of ourselves. However, the govt's actions are not altruistic in the least. Wonder how Herr Dr Schnipper will feel when he's diagnosed with the Big C.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:38 | 4974317 Emergency Ward
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The ACA makes sure that patients have no other options other than back-alley treatments.  Funny how some things never change.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:59 | 4974441 astoriajoe
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yet it was begged for.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:48 | 4975652 mc225
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it was helped along by the media, politicians, and schools pushing the idea for 40 or 50-odd years beforehand. there was an incessant cry for 'healthcare as a human right'. people bought into it because they heard it over and over again. most people never stopped to think of things like a) if healthcare is a right, why not housing and transportation? surely housing and transportation are more important to a person than healthcare. b) why only state-sanctioned treatments? why not allow any treatment a patient might choose for themselves? c) etc.

so, we've been told for quite a long time that we have a 'right' to this bogus 'medicine' they've been peddling. in truth, we'd be better off going back to the snake-oil salesmen of yore.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:41 | 4974331 firstdivision
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I fail to see why people that champion less government would be upset, it is using an algorithim that was developed by the private sector, and those Ayn Rand championing megaphones all say that private sector is always right.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:46 | 4974354 BeetleBailey
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one big correction

the MARKET.....THE FREE, UNENCUMBERED, UN-RIGGED MARKET....IS USUALLY ALWAYS RIGHT....

USUALLY....KEY WORD.....

AND IF NOT....IT RIGHTS ITSELF....

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:53 | 4974402 firstdivision
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Markets are never right, they are and have always been manipulated to make one's view "right".

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:16 | 4974544 MsCreant
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So are you saying free markets are not possible?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:02 | 4974786 NOTaREALmerican
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If a free-market existed WHY haven't the smart-n-savvy sociopaths manipulated it?   Where did the smart-n-savvy sociopaths GO?  What kept them away?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:14 | 4974540 NOTaREALmerican
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This is correct.   The only problem is the worthless Trash Class won't die of cancer graceful without complaining.  They always run to the government and bitch about how it's not right that something like inherited wealth should be a determining factor in who lives or dies.   

The Trash Class ruins everything.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:03 | 4974784 p00k1e
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Technically, didn’t the ‘free market’ take us to this point? 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:51 | 4975326 BeetleBailey
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Nope pook.....free money from the FED got us to this asinine point....NOT a free market...at all.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:02 | 4974459 Matt
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Because mandatory health insurance is part of the free market?

Do patients have the option to pay for additional treatment above and beyond that covered by the health insurance?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:02 | 4974463 Government need...
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So much fail in this comment.  Enable individuals to CHOOSE their own therapy; get the FDA out of the way, and let the price mechanism sort out the shape of the demand curve.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:42 | 4974337 Fuh Querada
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