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The Final Moments Of Flight MH-17: The Russian Side Of The Story

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Yesterday, we laid out extensively what the official Ukrainian case was when it came to "proof" that Russian separatists had launched the Buk missile which allegedly took down flight MH-17; we also highlighted several glaring inconsistencies and questions that still remained open after the "incriminatory" YouTube clip release. So far, any international response has been muted to this hastily prepared evidence of Russian involvement, although the day is still young.

So what about the Russian side? Below we present the key arguments made by Russia to suggest that not it, but Ukraine, was responsible for taking down the Malaysian Boeing.

As reported earlier by RIA, the Russian Defense Ministry says it had intercepted the activity of a Ukrainian radar system on the day the Malaysian plane went down in eastern Ukraine, the ministry’s press service said Friday.

"Throughout the day on July 17, Russian means of radar surveillance intercepted the operation of the Buk-M1 battery’s Kupol radar station located in the region of the populated area of Styla [30 kilometers south of Donetsk]," the press service said in a statement.

“The technical capabilities of the Buk-M1 allow the exchange of data on air targets between batteries of one battalion. Thus, the launch of rockets could have also occurred from any of the batteries deployed in the populated area of Avdeevka [8 kilometers north of Donetsk] or from Gruzsko-Zoryanskoe [25 kilometers east of Donetsk],” the ministry said.

Then we go to Itar-Tass which reported that civil flights in the air space of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be performed as the relevant communications infrastructure was destroyed there, a source from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) told ITAR-TASS on Thursday.

Kiev operates all air traffic control services and it is unclear how this plane (the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that crashed in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border Thursday night. — ITAR-TASS) could appear in the area,” he said.

“During the combat actions in Donetsk’s airport the communication tower, a part of the united air control service was blown up,” he said adding that “planes cannot fly there.”

On July 8, Ukraine’s State Aviation Service banned all flights over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions aiming to provide “adequate safety and security for all flights of civil aircraft in favor of state aviation.

Meanwhile, Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council took a decision to close the airspace over the area of the so-called anti-terror operation to commercial flights three days ago, Rosaviatsia reported.

This goes back to our post from last night in which we wondered just why and how did it happen that flight MH-17 diverted from its usual trajectory to fly over what was effectively restricted airspace.  This also is the topic of a follow up piece by Bloomberg released overnight in which it was noted that "Malaysian Air Flight Took Route Avoided by Qantas, Asiana:"

Qantas hasn’t used the route for a few months, said Andrew McGinnes, a spokesman for the Australian carrier, while Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific said it has been detouring for “quite some time.” Korean Air Lines Co. and Asiana Airlines Inc. said in statements they have been avoiding the area since March 3.

One hopes that all lingering questions about the flight path, and where the instructions to change it came from, will be answered when the contents of the flight black box are released.

And finally, as RT reported, the national governor of the Donetsk region, Pavel Gubarev, admitted that while the separatists indeed are in possession of one BUK missile unit, it is not operational, and even if it was, it would be unable to reach a height of over 30,000 feet without central radar guidance which the Donetsk region does not have, once again suggesting that a Surface to Air Missile, if indeed one was used, came from the Ukraine side. Surely it will be very easy for international monitors to validate this report.

We will ignore circulating reports of two Ukraine jets that may have followed the Boeing as there is, at least for now, zero direct or circumstantial evidence validating this story aside from one Twitter account which has since been deleted.

In brief the plot thickens, and all that matters now is whose propaganda, read media outlets, will be more persuasive although in reality even that is moot: in the echo chambers of ideology, most people already have their mind made up as to "who" the shooter was.

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Fri, 07/18/2014 - 09:57 | 4972979 MeMongo
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PAGING REVREX HASBARAS CALLING!:-)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:01 | 4972994 Latina Lover
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Memo from NWO:

You mean Russians will be allowed to give their side of the story?  

This cannot be allowed.  We need WW3 to reputiate national debts and kill off the useless eaters.  How else are we going to convince the sheeple to commit mass suicide while we get even richer?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:07 | 4973027 Yes We Can. But...
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Now the games begin in earnest.
Will be interesting to see where this leads

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:09 | 4973049 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Isn't it interesting how Russian state media presents precise details and facts while USSA state media whips up vague generalizations appealing to emotion.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:11 | 4973066 GetZeeGold
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Putin: You gave missiles to who?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi92pRbG8ms

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:32 | 4973158 BaBaBouy
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The Big QUESTION IS: Who Sent That Doomed Plane Over The Center Of THE WAR ZONE ?????

Its The At THe Heart Of This Tradgedy AND Pretty Fucking Clear...

One Wonders, Is Anyone Sending A Civil Plane To Fly Over GAZA Today???

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:33 | 4973218 Jumbotron
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Ocam"s Razor.  The simple, true answer is.....flight paths are chosen mostly to save fuel.  Malaysia Air is like all other airlines....trying desperately to save money on fuel by flying shortest, quickest routes.  Diverting around Ukraine would have cost a lot of money.  Plus there were safe lanes across Ukraine.

The Russians shot this plane down being trigger happy after downing a Ukrainian jet right before.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:42 | 4973284 pods
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You were on a factual course there for a bit Jumbo.  Then ya pulled a crazy Ivan at the end.

Or maybe it is Turret's?

pods

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:49 | 4973335 where_is the_nuke
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Jumo is a faggot.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:04 | 4973445 pods
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I got a question, we killed like a million non-combatants in Iraq, why is 300 dead here a big deal?

I mean, it sucks, but in the big scheme of things we (the US for all those arguers) probably kills this many innocents in a month RIGHT NOW.

pods

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:17 | 4973504 nope-1004
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You're right, it's not a big deal in reality but in the media it is because the picture being painted is one of a radical Russian gov't that shot down a civilian airliner.  US media is playing with your emotions.  In Iraq the picture painted was some wonderful freedom fighting Merikans liberating a nation of its oil.... I mean, dictator.

"Humanitarian efforts" always make people back a movement, even if the underlying reasons (oil, USD reserve status) are not fully disclosed.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:16 | 4973801 CognacAndMencken
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I'm really astonished how the utopian libertarians in the comments section of ZeroHedge are such ardent supporters of Russia's newest dictator.  You guys bash/hate America, the western economic system, American workers, American corporations - basically everything American - and you guys LOVE Putin.  Serious MAN-crush. I remember a ZH article about Putin some time ago showing pictures of Putin with guns and hunting and doing sporting events, and you guys were LUSTING after him.  *LOL*  Unreal.  Who would have ever guessed that libertarians would sympathize with Russian dictators? A few years ago at ZH, this was unheard of.....

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:18 | 4973838 angel_of_joy
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ZH readers still have a somewhat reasonable amount of common sense, and like to think with their own brains regardless what media is force feeding them.

Which is not something that can be said about you, for one thing... Too much cognac, I guess ?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:22 | 4973859 Herd Redirectio...
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In the Putin/Obama game, yes, ZH loves Putin.  How could you not?

Thats as far as it goes.  I think the average Russian and the average American have more in common with each other than they do with their respective 'leaders'.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:10 | 4974153 SamAdams
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Correct.  We are watching the game and knowing what the moves mean.  I trust Putin's shadow government no more than I trust Obomba's shadow government.  Putin is concerned with his control over Europe through the state controlled (but publicly traded) Gazprom.  Remember what happened to E Ukraine independents when they trusted Putin would assist them in the vote of independence?  Now the poor guys are disillusioned.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:55 | 4975473 dracos_ghost
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Yeah, I guess they looked into his eyes and saw KGB.

Why is no one questioning the Russian side of the story. The fact that they are monitoring military radar is a little fucked up in and of itself. Let's not forget it's THEIR SAM systems we are talking about so their statement that other missile batteries share information and command control seems like a no brainer for a Russian Hacker.

End of the day, tensions are so high that some schmuck fired prematurely and the poor bastards on that flight paid for it. Obama has no balls. He will not attack gingivitis at this point even if Russia admitted it, taunted him and called his father Frank Davis a capitalist or something.

Putin has what he wants. He doesn't want Western Ukraine and doesn't want any stupid excuse for Western involvement because he ain't as strong as he's presenting.

But then again, Barry is a little scary sometimes.

http://www.jpattitude.com/Images/ObamaBiking.jpg

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:57 | 4975504 gh0atrider
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SATOSHI WE LOVE YOU!!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:01 | 4975864 MeMadMax
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The internet has saved the world...

 

Again.

 

I'm pretty sure the globalists are fuckin pissed.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:12 | 4975894 Quus Ant
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MOSCOW (AP) -- A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash - suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.

The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.

LINK

Is anyone else thinking what I'm thinking???? 370?

Nah... couldn't be... could it?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:00 | 4976198 markmotive
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This may be the final onboard passenger unverified video that was reportedly posted to Instagram:

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2014/07/the-final-video-from-malasian-boei...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 04:27 | 4976541 conscious being
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Missle whisle.  How do we know it wasn't a bomb?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:27 | 4976700 Elvis the Pelvis
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Here's the Russian side of the story:  "Oooppps.  We fucked up."  Bitches.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:52 | 4976983 gallistic
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I see you have another incarnation.

The name may have changed, but you still throw out clickbait and try to drum up traffic for your shitty blog.

Do us all a favor and do that bullshit somewhere else; you are stinking up the joint.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 19:24 | 4978314 TheFourthStooge-ing
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At least he's retarded. That's one thing he has going for him.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:18 | 4976261 Lore
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Very interesting. Identification of bodies is therefore critically important: fingerprints, DNA, dental, etc.  How many of these people are actually supposed to be on this plane?  Furthermore, can all the components of this plane be independently verified (serial numbers, other unique identifiers) as belonging to the 777 that was supposed to be in the air this week, or are we dealing with 370 or some kind of hybrid?  Don't aircraft have some kind of transponders?  Can they be spoofed?

It is essential that Kiev NOT be involved in the crash scene investigation. They are on the side of the psychopaths and will taint whatever they touch.  Same goes for Americans and proxies. Whatever they touch is poison.  The only investigation that will have a shred of credibility is one manned by outsiders.  Suggestion: Ask the Chinese to take over post-haste.  They have very well trained and experienced investigators, and are easily distinguished from locals, who might have ulterior motives.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:38 | 4976299 Lore
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Where was MH17 prior to arrival in Amsterdam? Where was the last place that it refueled?  Could equipment and bodies and other things OR EVEN THE PLANE ITSELF be switched over at Amsterdam?  Is there a secure hangar out of public view where hijinks could occur?  Besides the crash site and ATC and other weirdness immediately prior to the crash, investigators will also necessarily have their work cut out for them in Amsterdam, and maybe other airports as well.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 20:13 | 4978452 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You raise genuinely interesting points. The third sentence seems a little far fetched, though:

Could equipment and bodies and other things OR EVEN THE PLANE ITSELF be switched over at Amsterdam?

OK, let's say that someone has the resources and technical capability to swap out (or duplicate perfectly) the avionics, black box recorder, and all other unique identifiers associated with MH17 and put them on another plane, and could do it well enough to get away with it undetected. There's still one big problem. To switch the plane, you need another plane.

Where is someone going to find another Malaysian Airlines passenger jet like MH17? It's not the kind of thing that someone would simply misplace or lose track of. Those things don't just disappear, you know. Somebody would notice pretty quickly that it was missing.

There are also unconfirmed reports of bizarre phenomena, such as some of the corpses of victims appearing to be bloodless, and having an overwhelming stench of a corpse which had been rotting for more than a day. Clearly such accounts are manifestations of the combined stress of living in a war zone and then having this tragedy literally land on top of you.

I mean, come on, having a spare 777 around is improbable enough, but having enough corpses in cold storage to fill a plane at a moment's notice? Such a combination of wetwork and edgework is inconceivable.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 16:28 | 4978870 Lore
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If there's one thing we should have learned from 911 and all the other false flags, it is that psychopaths think big.

Addendum: Looking back, it appears that this was a false trail, but it is worth remembering for posterity just how hard and shamelessly the mainstream media pushed the "Russia's Fault" narrative within moments of the actual event. Journalism seems abandoned.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:04 | 4976303 Lore
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Duplicate post, subsequently deleted. What's happening to ZH? It's taking 10 minutes to post a comment. Is the site under attack?  Never seen this before.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:12 | 4976673 Truthseeker2
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 04:39 | 4976311 Lore
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Duplicate post. Disregard.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 04:40 | 4976323 Lore
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Duplicate post. Disregard.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 08:47 | 4976661 viator
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Update: Since posting this article, we have received reports to the effect the Spanish Air controller is fake and that the twitter message were sent out of London.

We will be investigating the matter.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 01:41 | 4976485 AgShaman
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Hopefully, they will find some passports in pristine condition....soze the identification of the bodies will be much easier.

Even if the passengers onboard aren't tererwrists....a find like that would help

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 02:19 | 4976494 AgShaman
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Hopefully, they will find some passports in pristine condition....soze the identification of the bodies will be much easier.

Even if the passengers onboard aren't tererwrists....a find like that would help

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:24 | 4976793 Sirius Wonderblast
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I think the chances of unspoiled evidence must be just about zero.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:38 | 4976827 Sirius Wonderblast
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Think you'll find the bodies would in a shocking state from the crash, and decomp sets in quickly in the open.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:16 | 4975906 nmewn
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+1

The simple fact is, "the separatists" don't have an air force for the Ukrainians to target. This was an accidental shoot down by the Russian side, what the plane was doing that far east is the only mystery.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:48 | 4976004 Kapital Xposure
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the BUK missile system doesnt just use 1 truck as widely reported, it needs multiple trucks in triangulation to be able to work and target anything at those altitudes, all trucks need skilled operators to work in unison to fire a missile and hit a target.

so captuing just a BUK unit on its own is not really a problem, but having the entire portable system in place with all units working together means you control that airspace up to 40,000 easily

 

so how did these rebels get hold of the entire system and where did they get the technicians skilled enough in running a complex ground to air system like this? 

we lost 9 people from melbourne australia here alone, 27 all up from australia,  the russians to be killing australians is not something we are liking right now, and i want nothing more than to find all of those responsible, from the top down to the bottom..  and drop them out of a plane at 32,000 feet and give them the same chance they gave the children from melbourne they murdered.

RIP and we will not forget the deaths of the children father and mothers that were murdered.

 

 

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:34 | 4976141 nmewn
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It was the Russians providing air cover for the separatists no doubt in my mind but it was an accident. I can't believe anyone would do it on purpose in a world where there are satellites trained on every warfare hotspot.

They know where it came from, like I say, the only mystery to me is, why did the plane venture so far "off course" (off course being a relative term) it was a hundred miles away from "normal" flight paths for that area.

You can see it most prominently coming from Turkey (for example), they skirt behind the Russian-Ukraine border to go north, they go east of it. Its like a sky train.

The Russians did it, no doubt.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:32 | 4976375 TheFourthStooge-ing
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nmewn said:

It was the Russians providing air cover for the separatists no doubt in my mind

and

The Russians did it, no doubt.

You sound like you're still trying to convince yourself of this.  ;)

No up or down arrows from me on this one, my friend. While I believe that the Kiev junta stands to benefit most from this incident, and am also convinced that the Yatzis and their CIA masters are sufficiently lacking in any morals which would prevent them from carrying out an attack on a passenger jet, I cannot honestly state that I have no doubts as to what really transpired. It's just too soon and there are still too many unknowns.

At this stage, I believe the best approach is to see if any possibilities can be ruled out based on what is already known.

I'll leave you with some food for thought:

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/07/evidence-continues-to-emerge-m...

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/07/memories-recollection-guesses-...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:25 | 4976422 Dr Hackenbush
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Denis Pushilin resigned earlier.  Was he disgraced?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:57 | 4976423 Dr Hackenbush
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dup 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 01:16 | 4976426 Dr Hackenbush
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double dup 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:11 | 4976671 nmewn
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Well no ups or downs from me either my man.

But the fact remains that a AN-26 (Ukrainian) was downed by a missle July 14, a Ukrainian SU-25 was shot down (don't  know if it was a mssile or not) on July 16 and then this on July 17...all east of Donetsk...all in this time period.

I really do think it was an accident, that is, they didn't identify the plane properly. And I don't think the "separatists" are trained or coordinated enough to use the weapon system required to reach 33k ft.

So thats why I think the Russians did it, by accident.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:36 | 4977334 palmereldritch
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The Ukrainians are the party that have a demonstrated history of command and control failure when it comes to SAMs and passenger aircraft:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/1359353/Ukraine...

 Ukraine admits it shot down Russian airliner

 By Ben Aris in Moscow

12:01AM BST 13 Oct 2001

Ukraine finally admitted yesterday that its military shot down a Russian airliner that crashed into the Black Sea last week, killing all 78 passengers and crew.

 

This is a fact and not an opinion.

 

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:52 | 4978021 nmewn
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lol...point well taken Palmer.

I don't have a dog in the fight one way or the other but in both cases it was accidental and apparently the commercial pilots that fly around over there are completely oblivious to military types lobbing missiles all over the place.

Just makes me want to run out and by a one-way ticket on Aeroflot or Malaysian Air ;-)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 18:47 | 4978171 palmereldritch
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Cheers nmewn.

This place would be nothing without opinions.  Point well taken on the airlines...

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