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How British Spies "Seed the Internet With False Info, Control YouTube Pageviews and Manipulate Online Polls"

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Thanks to Edward Snowden, we now have proof about an incredible set of tools used by the British equivalent of the NSA, known as the GCHQ, or Government Communications Headquarters. These tools will essentially confirm every single conspiracy theory you could have ever imagined when it comes to propaganda on the Internet. It allows British intelligence officers to: “manipulate the results of online polls, artificially inflate pageview counts on web sites, ‘amplify’ sanctioned messages on YouTube, and censor video content judged to be ‘extremist.’”

Being the creative folks that they are, GCHQ even came up with code words to describe each “product.” These include, UNDERPASS (for poll manipulation), SILVERLORD (for censorship), GESTATOR (for the manipulation of YouTube views), PREDATORS FACE (for DDOS attacks), the list goes on…

Glenn Greenwald writes at The Intercept that:

The secretive British spy agency GCHQ has developed covert tools to seed the internet with false information, including the ability to manipulate the results of online polls, artificially inflate pageview counts on web sites, “amplif[y]” sanctioned messages on YouTube, and censor video content judged to be “extremist.” The capabilities, detailed in documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, even include an old standby for pre-adolescent prank callers everywhere: A way to connect two unsuspecting phone users together in a call.

 

The tools were created by GCHQ’s Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG), and constitute some of the most startling methods of propaganda and internet deception contained within the Snowden archive. Previously disclosed documents have detailed JTRIG’s use of “fake victim blog posts,” “false flag operations,” “honey traps” and psychological manipulation to target online activists, monitor visitors to WikiLeaks, and spy on YouTube and Facebook users.

 

GCHQ refused to provide any comment on the record beyond its standard boilerplate, in which it claims that it acts “in accordance with a strict legal and policy framework” and is subject to “rigorous oversight.” But both claims are questionable.

 

Several GCHQ memos published last fall by The Guardian revealed that the agency was eager to keep its activities secret not to protect national security, but because “our main concern is that references to agency practices (ie, the scale of interception and deletion) could lead to damaging public debate which might lead to legal challenges against the current regime.”

This last line is of crucial importance. The entire point of spying has nothing to do with terrorism, but as many of us have suspected, it is all about protecting and maintaining the status quo.

Oh, and just in case these products aren’t enough fascism for you, no need to fret. We learn that:

And JTRIG urges its GCHQ colleagues to think big when it comes to internet deception: “Don’t treat this like a catalogue. If you don’t see it here, it doesn’t mean we can’t build it.”

So next time you question the number of views on a certain video, or your website experiences a DDOS attack, there may be a intel officer at the other end of the line with a giant sign saying “fuck you mate.”

Full article here.

 

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Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:39 | 4976298 TalkToLind
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So when I say "Fuck the Fed" and I get down votes, you're telling me they might not be legit?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:44 | 4976309 bag holder
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Downvoted to mindfuck the spies

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:46 | 4976314 TalkToLind
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+1 to fuck with them further.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:45 | 4976386 chumbawamba
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I posted this comment just so I could down-vote myself.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:58 | 4976397 DeadFred
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Don't forget to incorporate random hot terms. I went out to lunch today and had a jihad sandwich. It was a bomb with the sarin sauce.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:12 | 4976407 chumbawamba
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I exploded a load of my hot white phosphorous on Hillary's face. Then I hid my Osama bin Laden in her cave.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:30 | 4976421 edotabin
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I am considering down voting not only to fuck with spy vs. spy but also because this stuff can make you heave with Hillary in this context. Hope you used 12 condoms before hiding in the cave.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:47 | 4976607 negative rates
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"Fuck you mate"

 Yeah, will see you in court.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:27 | 4976699 SuperRay
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So Tylers, what's going on with ZH?  Is readership increasing or is this just a rogue spy fucking with us?  Why don't you do a historical trend chart on ZH membership? I'm sure the NSA has...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:37 | 4976950 gold-is-not-dead
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the weapons are ready at nyc port, 18cet.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:46 | 4977134 JoeSexPack
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Entire Animal House movie is on youtube, except.... the scene at the nightclub with Otis Day singing is purged.

 

1st part is there, but not jokes about switchblade, primitive cultures & 'do you mind if we dance wif yo dates?'. Go search if you doubt. No violence, cursing, nudity, politics or abuse, just sit com with mild race humor.

 

I get it, though. PC thing is to show pale males in bad light vs others, with white females siding against them. Animal House jokes were against the dark bar crowd, so they have to go. See 90%+ of tv ad's for evidence.

 

Stalin & Orwell would be proud.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:58 | 4977900 Supernova Born
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Imperial Rome in the digital age.

Expect the Praetorian Guard to be the most closely watched of all.

Et tu, NSA?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 19:11 | 4978272 MontgomeryScott
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When I was a young man, I learned how to make 3-dimensional mirror glass pictures using layers of masking tape, a reverse-drawing of a picture plotted and graphed, and a glass-beading machine. I would cut out the 'deepest' layers of the drawing first with an exacto knife, lightly glass-bead the back, and progress thusly in steps. I topped it off by using spray engine enamels and a fine paint brush to add color and realism to the 3-d artwork. I made several of these (getting free mirror glass cut to size from the friend that ran the glass shop next door to the engine machine shop I managed). I had a coffee table that took three panes of glass that were removable, and when parties were thrown (4 or 5 days out of seven, it seemed) I would substitute them at random. My most popular one was the 'Coca-Cola' artwork script design complete with the swoosh (and the two grooves cut on the face, convenient for metered dosages of the favorite inhalants of choice by simply taking the pile and swooping it over the grooves with a blade).

My BEST one by far was the 'High Times' Bomber. The GREEN B-17, complete with open bomb-bay doors, looked quite remarkable. Better, with a triple-beam and a pile of green shit on top.

THIS was about the time when National Lampoon was still a good underground magazine.

They were 'P.C.d' early on, though, and the PTB bought them out and have been fooling people ever since.

Zippy the Pinhead... that was a GREAT character!

"Stalin & Orwell would be proud."

No. Stalin and Orwell would now be INSANELY JEALOUS!

(This is not an endorsement for the experimentation, usage, or consumption of any substance deemed 'illegal' by local, state, federal, or regional authorities; nor is it an admission of any actions which are currently deemed 'illegal'. This post in no way indicates that such events or actions took place or are taking place, or will take place in the future by me or anyone that I ever associated with, assoiate with currently, or will associate with in the future. references to 'High Times' magazine and 'National Lampoon' magazine are made under common public domain law, and in no way implicate them in any way for encouraging such activity as described. Reality: What a concept! Be thankful that your dog is finally getting enough cheeze.

NSA, GHQ, MI6, and LIKUD: You are a fluke of the universe, and have no right to be here; and whether you believe it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back; YOU, the illuminists who insist upon trolling and collecting every keystroke for prosecution of 'futurecrime' are a pathetic joke to the people!)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:13 | 4977932 Shigure
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 05:11 | 4976566 barre-de-rire
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i been to an indian restaurant, the " smiling boudah " i wanted to get something very specific so i ordered their "fatman" sandwitch from the "littleboy" servant.  the place was nicely decorated with egyptian paints with representations of "ISIS".

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:47 | 4976731 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Is this sight getting hacked or DDOSed or something, because I have had more problems getting on here in the past week or so than ever before. Last night it was giving me a 'this sight is offline' error message. Anyone else had these problems?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:03 | 4976754 Keyser
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Yep, most likely a DDOS attack.... That is unless the Tylers have moved their severs to the Philippines.. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 18:29 | 4978144 MontgomeryScott
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I concur. Same thing at this location, +- 0:00 UDT(GMT).

It happened right after I posted a comment on WB7's article/post regarding Lusitania/MH17. I sent links like THESE:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/18/pro-russia-rebel-command...

http://www.rense.com/general96/dutch.html

These were NOT the link I posted, but the story was along similar lines.

SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS.

WHO the fuck downvoted you?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:48 | 4976319 El Vaquero
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Good idea.  So you got downvoted to double-mindfuck the spies.  Anybody want to go for the triple?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:57 | 4976393 chumbawamba
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Does anyone know if Hamas open-sourced their rocket design?  If so, we could build a bunch and lob them into the NSA data center compound at Camp Williams, Utah from the surrounding hills.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:59 | 4976398 chumbawamba
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Does anyone know if Hamas open-sourced their rocket design?  If so, we could build a bunch and lob them into the NSA data center compound at Camp Williams, Utah from the surrounding hills.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:03 | 4976401 chumbawamba
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Why doesn't ZH admit it's being DDOS'd already?

-Chumbz.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 01:34 | 4976469 tickhound
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Dude, this is a 5 day old Drudge article. No need to admit what is smacking you in the face. Original thought is an exception here now. We now cater to a particular clientele. We have a specific target market. It's Disneyland now.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 04:29 | 4976543 JLee2027
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I doubt 1000 guys working 8 hour days could have much impact on the web. It's just too large. All up arrows will be credited to spies. All down arrows to honest trolls.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:05 | 4976756 Keyser
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Shows what you know (or don't know in this case) about internet attack strategies... 

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:40 | 4976839 Abaco
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1000 bots on the other hand...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 05:08 | 4976565 schatzi
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A-fucking-men.

 

The voting system in particular enforces normative thought and opinion.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:28 | 4976806 Kayman
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shatzi

True that. Either/or choices don't leave much for the giant middle, which is where most human activity rests.

This Malaysian plane shot down could be Russia, the rebels, Ukraine or the CIA directly or indirectly by taking control of a BUK in flight. And we have heard very little about Ukraine air traffic control.

All parties have dirty hands.

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:49 | 4976980 viahj
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except that not voting up/down is the giant middle in this system

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 04:47 | 4976552 effendi
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The Hamas rocket design isn't very effective. If you want to take out that complex you need a heavy round (to pierce the structure) loaded with whatever takes your fancy (there are lots of choices depending on your lab skills, but with the right instruction manuals you can make simple nerve gases, biotoxins and other fun stuff).

Bet this post gets flagged:)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:48 | 4976317 BlindMonkey
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I wanted to down vote you just for grins but couldn't.  Anytime someone says "Fuck the Fed" I have to go green.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:49 | 4976325 El Vaquero
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Dicipline, Mr Monkey.  Fuck the Fed, yes, but also fuck the spies. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 04:49 | 4976553 BTFDemocracy
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Downvote is now upvote in ZH, but wait... now they know that too.. so maybe we secretly upvote back up and downvote again for triple reverse?

How about we just randomly upvote and downvote everything to  create total hvoc?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 08:38 | 4976653 chunga
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I still prefer the junk button.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:52 | 4976389 WillyGroper
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For the past 2 days I've been constantly getting error messages & site offline responses. 

Me thinks ZH is a target. ADL?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:45 | 4976432 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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I'll second that motion given that there is no excuse to have a downed

Internet right now and Z/H is not the only site. There is a heavy concentration of PSYOPS on Internet social media right now. The Ops

are BIG and there is obviously a keen interest in running ops for the downed plane propaganda that the CIA is running all over the Internet.

The NSA and the CIA are latently childish in their purile antics that they choose to use against dissent. Like children they soon get bored when people are not mystified any longer and know that it is a childish

prankster behind the antics. The NSA passes around hacked photos

of American citizens and that is the sort of thing that children and infants engage in. Their behaviour is regressive and not appropriate

for individuals that have matured past the stage of infantile behaviours.

The Internet houses a level of maturity that the NSA and CIA are ill prepared to understand because they are inherently regressive and immature. This is why they resort to such immature antics to prevent

the population from communicating. Like children they cannot control the discourse so they throw a tantrum to disrupt the adults from conversation. Any parent knows what their children do when they demand attention out of frustration. The same holds for the CIA and the NSA cohorts of childlike soldiers.

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:56 | 4977406 daveO
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:06 | 4976757 Keyser
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We heard you the first 7 times... 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:06 | 4976405 WillyGroper
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For the past 2 days I've been constantly getting error messages & site offline responses. 

Me thinks ZH is a target. ADL?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:10 | 4976409 WillyGroper
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For the past 2 days I've been constantly getting error messages & site offline responses. 

Me thinks ZH is a target. ADL?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:13 | 4976412 WillyGroper
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For the past 2 days I've been constantly getting error messages & site offline responses. 

Me thinks ZH is a target. ADL?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:21 | 4976418 WillyGroper
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For the past 2 days I've been constantly getting error messages & site offline responses. 

Me thinks ZH is a target. ADL?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:23 | 4976419 WillyGroper
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For the past 2 days I've been constantly getting error messages & site offline responses. 

Me thinks ZH is a target. ADL?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 01:41 | 4976484 sushi
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The foregoing is a perfect example of a GCHQ "DUPLICATOR" attack in which an ordinary post is reposted multiple times to consume bandwidth, wear out eyeballs, embarrass the original poster and make everyone think he /she is a consumate dork.

 

For all the money that we pour into NSA I really think they should host a public porno site so we can all see how our neighbours are getting it on. Would give a positive glow to the gummits ever increasing tax bite. There would actually be evidence of positive value for the cash surrendered   purloined. Plus it would keep upstanding citizens from being waylaid into signing up for an all expenses ISIS trip to the nearest Caliphate.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:29 | 4989504 WillyGroper
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I just came back to the original & found the repetitions. I can assure you that I only posted once. These people are desparate. 

I just now got a "Down for Maintenance Message". 

Too Much trufe.

Stay safe Tyler's.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:58 | 4976613 negative rates
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The Feds 100 years old and not feeling so good, death at it's door step, the fountain of youth fading, all their friends are dying of cancer. It's a painful time to be a member of the Fed.

But the thought of leaving you all is even more painful because you would be nobody with without us and we hate to let you go out to the world and have no elders to guide through these terrible terrible times. They cry when they think about dying, and can't sleep for long periods of time because of all the burdens they carry for others. Yeah it's tough being a hard core Fed liker go easy on these guys, they don't have much time left, you could upset them in public and have their feeling spill into the street or worse yet in a boardroom.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:56 | 4976745 tempo
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Obama started it. USA funds Ukraine move E. w airpower, Russia funds surface to air missiles in response. Innocent people die. Does it matter if you die at 33000 ft or on the ground.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:37 | 4976825 newdoobie
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Except you scream for 33000ft

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:52 | 4977388 daveO
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Two planes from the same airline in 4 months. No way! 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:43 | 4976843 Smiley
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DOWN is the new UP.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:39 | 4976301 Rootin' for Putin
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Well intel have been on ZH a lot the last few days then.

Need to rename it Zero Load.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:47 | 4976315 WhackoWarner
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Yeah well. My computer has been wonky. (that is techie talk). I think it is time for us all to bite the convenience bullet excuse and go to TOR.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 03:32 | 4976516 palmereldritch
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:48 | 4976307 TeamDepends
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ZH must be over the target.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:36 | 4976308 TeamDepends
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Thank God edit is still available. Somebody had too much jihad sauce last night.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:48 | 4976320 kchrisc
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When you are so "legit" that you have to spy and manipulate the truth...well, you're not so "legit."

 

"My guillotine is 'off-grid'."

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:51 | 4976321 Circle of DNA
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I don't know how The Guardian is managing publishing Snowden stuff and yet disallowing any comments that are counter to the Kiev/Washington  propaganda drivel. The censorship is brutal and totally unreasonable.

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:19 | 4976682 HamFistedIdiot
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It's called Controlled Opposition. Why don't Snowden or Assange have anything negative to say about Israel or 9/11? Duh, it all happened the way Cheney said it did (Snowden paraphrase). :(

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:31 | 4976705 Future Jim
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“our main concern is that references to agency practices (ie, the scale of interception and deletion) could lead to damaging public debate which might lead to legal challenges against the current regime.”

This smells. Since when do the self-righteous refer to themelves with a pejorative like "the current regime"?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:22 | 4976787 Boubou
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They want us in a calm submissive state - the state you try to bring about in your dog. I take their point - if information about their practices becomes widely known, there may be outrage and  if the "the regime 'is seriously embarassed thereby, they may make a nuisance of themselves and talk about oversight.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:02 | 4976850 Future Jim
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They want us to be more submissive, so why would these politically savvy people refer to themselves in a way that would make us less submissive?

Instead of referring to themselves as "the current regime", they would have said "current administration" or "elected officials", or what ever is common PR in the UK.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:51 | 4976324 TalkToLind
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Shit...Pressflow site outage = Government Communications Headquarters!!! 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:51 | 4976326 Miffed Microbio...
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So the point of all this has nothing to do with terrorism? Wow, tell me something I don't know. Now if only I could get the throngs of people waiting for their anal probe at the airport to get this.

Miffed;-)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:57 | 4976340 TalkToLind
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It's for the chillrens.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:15 | 4976775 RafterManFMJ
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I'm worried the spies might fuck with the American Idol vote count or those way cool votes ESPN puts up.

Is nothing sacred anymore?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:52 | 4976328 icanhasbailout
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what's the one designed to fuck with Drupal?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:52 | 4976330 ebworthen
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Leave it to the Brits; George Orwell certainly had his fingers on the pulse of his nation.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:54 | 4976334 icanhasbailout
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what's the one designed to fuck with Drupal?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:55 | 4976335 ramacers
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uk oligarchs own u.s. banking, which own u.s. deal with it.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:55 | 4976337 ramacers
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uk oligarchs own u.s. banking, which own u.s. deal with it.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:58 | 4976341 ramacers
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uk oligarchs own u.s. banking, which own u.s. deal with it.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:02 | 4976345 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Next time JTRIG and GCHQ wonder why their budget keeps going down and they are being laid off one-by-one until their units are gone they can think of me with a giant sign saying.....

 

"FUCK YOU RETARD SANDWICH EATERS"

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:05 | 4976349 Moccasin
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The NSA/GOV play a game claiming a 'higher morality' by saying, "if your not a terrorist, if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about if we the NSA/GOV watch you", this is how abusers create a Stockholm syndrome from their victims. Telling them its Ok after they have been raped and the victim is usually forced to apologize to the abuser for being difficult and it won't hurt as much next time your raped. It is called conditioning and most folks don't get it. The NSA is a classic criminal syndicate and we all are the victim, our privacy is raped with every keystroke. Clapper lies to Congress, the NSA continues with the approval of the stooges in Washington and then when someone gets busted with some pitiful weed in the wrong state will spend years in jail. We do not have a justice system and the term / name Justice Department is Orwellian. We have a legal system where a criminal can be bought and sold, his or her freedom depends on money and social status, nothing else.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 05:25 | 4976571 JR
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On Shooting Down Airliners | LRC Blog

Butler Shaffer

Tom: The statists are so desperate to rehabilitate their dead horse that they will exploit every disaster. The AlGorythmic at NASA who suggested, a few years back, that aliens from another solar system might attack and seek to destroy Earth for failing to abide by Gore’s “climate change” directives, might be offering today’s downing of the Malaysian airliner as evidence the attack is underway. The NASA seer might even explain the missing Malaysian Flight 370 mystery as a warning shot taken against us Earthlings.

The erstwhile CIA official who was so quick to blame the loss of today’s Malaysian airliner on Ukranian separatists might inform us how – and by whom – he was so quickly able to get his theory on air at CBS News. Will we next be told that these separatists have “weapons of mass destruction” with which to carry out their murderous deeds? For those who, like the late George Carlin, prefer to engage in that “moronic thing” called “thinking,” the possibilities that the plane crashed due to weather, mechanical functions, etc., should be examined. So, too, should intelligent minds consider this to be a possible “false flag” operation. For anyone unfamiliar with how the U.S. government might – the word is “might” – script out such an occurrence, resort might be had to a plan generated by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the early 1960s to fake the shooting down of an American passenger jet by fake Cuban fighter-planes. Google “Operation Northwoods” and see what lengthy documented details appear!

5:15 pm on July 17, 2014

The Best of Butler Shaffer

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/on-shooting-down-airliners/

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:43 | 4977366 daveO
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The media jumped all over Sandy Hook so fast, that I still haven't decided whether it was fact or fiction. Guns sales, at the time, said 51% fiction. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:58 | 4977896 Supernova Born
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Imperial Rome in the digital age.

Expect the Praetorian Guard to be the most closely watched of all.

Et tu, NSA?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:39 | 4976835 theeseer
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Here is the problem and it goes for all the members here. The NSA is right yup you heard me show me one time period in history where the choice of lesser evils was not the reality. The barabrians sacked Rome and got back their "freedom" and "privacy" so they could butcher thier neighbors and live on dirt floors.  The British created whatever legal system we have gave us our language but were brutal slave masters in their colonies. Currently Putin has on the Russina ballot a move to rehabilitate Stalin a mass murderer and China is busy stealing every bit of online secrets from USA companies to streal whats left of our jobs having gobbled up Tibet and of course taken every freedom from its own people. So wise up and shut up. Be an adult and live in the real world. The USA is the best option for you to keep you stupid mouth flapping in the breeze. Snowden is a traitor and as they said in the old west "hang him that tree looks empty".

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:05 | 4976350 Mempo of Twilight
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Why should I be surprised? It’s not as if they are hiding anything. it's pretty much out in the open. It’s called the United Kingdom after all and as kingdom it does what kingdoms do, spy on the subjects all the time to keep them in line. That whole “property owning democracy” thing is just a manipulative idea to make people feel good about being property tax slaves. 

Oh by the way, FUCK YOU GCHQ

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:08 | 4976355 nmewn
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"So next time you question the number of views on a certain video, or your website experiences a DDOS attack, there may be a intel officer at the other end of the line with a giant sign saying “fuck you mate.”

Or it could be some bum being paid in BitCoin.

Sayin ;-)

"For every video he watches, Angle gets 0.0004 bitcoins, or about 5 cents, thanks to a service, called BitcoinGet, that shamelessly drives artificial traffic to certain online clips."

http://bitcoinmining.pw/wp/2013/09/20/homeless-unemployed-and-surviving-on-bitcoins-wired/

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:09 | 4976356 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Next time JTRIG and GCHQ wonder why their budget keeps going down and they are being laid off one-by-one until their units are gone they can think of me with a giant sign saying.....

 

"FUCK YOU RETARD SANDWICH EATERS"

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:11 | 4976359 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Next time JTRIG and GCHQ wonder why their budget keeps going down and they are being laid off one-by-one until their units are gone they can think of me with a giant sign saying.....

 

"FUCK YOU RETARD SANDWICH EATERS"

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:14 | 4976361 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Next time JTRIG and GCHQ wonder why their budget keeps going down and they are being laid off one-by-one until their units are gone they can think of me with a giant sign saying.....

 

"FUCK YOU RETARD SANDWICH EATERS"

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:31 | 4976371 potato
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"You have nothing to hide" is a logical fallacy. It presupposes frictionless criminal justice system, zero opportunity cost for participating in said system, and no mistakes in dispensing justice. All three of those assumptions can be summarily disproven, hence "YHNTH" is not a legitimate justification. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:04 | 4976883 withglee
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Everyone's response to YHNTH should be:

"neither do you. So let me see everything about you that you are wanting to see about me. Until you do, cram it!"

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:32 | 4976373 potato
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"You have nothing to hide" is a logical fallacy. It presupposes frictionless criminal justice system, zero opportunity cost for participating in said system, and no mistakes in dispensing justice. All three of those assumptions can be summarily disproven, hence "YHNTH" is not a legitimate justification. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:36 | 4976377 potato
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Dupe

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:04 | 4976403 salvadordaly
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Wow it is obvious that all the double and triple post are due to the NSA/CIA/GCHQ interference on the site the last couple days. Just trying to load this page took me 5-6 refresh button clicks. Seems a bit odd that since yesterdays events in the news that the Hedge has been experiecing "technical difficulties"! Message to the mindless fucks that are following orders from the Government, "Keep it up boys, karma (not to mention myself) will in the end be there to meet you when this shit comes unglued"!

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:39 | 4976428 IridiumRebel
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It's been fucked for the last 30 minutes for me. Obviously ZH is onto something if it's getting fucked with this hard.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:47 | 4976435 Arkadaba
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Same as yesterday evening. Tylers if it is ddos or something similar let us know - please.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:53 | 4976439 Rock On Roger
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Very slow making my way here tonight.

 

We're supposed to be asleep like most people are.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:38 | 4976829 Thought Processor
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The site looks as though it is being targeted.   Been watching it in real time with my own server monitoring software (I have several servers for work that require monitoring).  Started with the downed Ukraine plane.

 

Even more interesting is that the data looks like its being blocked or held up in transit on an action by action basis from my computer (ie: whatever it is doing this is pretty sophisticated).

 

 

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:56 | 4976991 IridiumRebel
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I guess they are just showing off here...showing us how it is done.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:34 | 4977324 daveO
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Same with me. It started with the plane crash.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:18 | 4977265 Zadig
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It must be "Ze Plane" articles.  That story is huge right now and will draw in people starved for information, and the Nazgul who would prefer they don't get any. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:50 | 4976429 Jayda1850
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couldn't agree more. If they ever take this site down for good, I'll know its time to get the fuck outta dodge. I don't know what is worse, that the government is trying to take down ZH and spying on all of us or that the world is so fucked up that I can rightly justify this level of paranoia.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:32 | 4976815 Ckierst1
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It's only paranoia if it's groundless.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 03:11 | 4976509 Jano
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I read this site in Bratislava.

The loading process is a bit slower, the page is displayed correctly. Yesterday the same in Vienna, where it seams to load a bit faster, day hours.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 03:15 | 4976510 Jano
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I read this site in Bratislava.

The loading process is a bit slower, the page is displayed correctly. Yesterday the same in Vienna, where it seams to load a bit faster, day hours.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 03:17 | 4976511 Jano
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I read this site in Bratislava.

The loading process is a bit slower, the page is displayed correctly. Yesterday the same in Vienna, where it seams to load a bit faster, day hours.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 03:30 | 4976515 Jano
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I read this site in Bratislava.

The loading process is a bit slower, the page is displayed correctly. Yesterday the same in Vienna, where it seams to load a bit faster, day hours.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:06 | 4976404 Yen Cross
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  How Cameron trolls the "House of Loki" aka"system lords and pedofiles" is beyond my comprehension...

  Oh wait... the NSA has MI-6's back... Der hardy har... har...

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:07 | 4976406 riot-police
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Im a secret spy... agent 003. I have been messing with you guys for months.

I've been telling everyone to sell their gold.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:10 | 4976408 riot-police
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Im a secret spy... agent 003. I have been messing with you guys for months.

I've been telling everyone to sell their gold.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:11 | 4976411 riot-police
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Im a secret spy... agent 003. I have been messing with you guys for months.

I've been telling everyone to sell their gold.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:30 | 4976415 riot-police
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sorry about the quadruple post. There is so much spying going on that the site has become quite unusable for me today. Twice it has been off-line. And just a blank page when I commented

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 01:31 | 4976470 green888
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Download takes 3 minutes- READS 2537, COMMENTS 12, NEW COMMENTS 1 -"Well done lads, nothing to see here now, move along"   

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 02:48 | 4976504 capitallosses
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I'm wondering where I send a Freedom of Information request for nekkid selfies of my wife, who has been distant lately.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 02:55 | 4976505 Fuku Ben
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GCHQ?

Global Co***u**ing Ho*o Queens?

Code name: Power Bottom

No offense to any compounding hobo's

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 03:35 | 4976520 aleph_0
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Targets of manipulation funding their own manipulation. Sounds about normal.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 03:50 | 4976533 VWAndy
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They are trying to hide the concensus exists? Hmm.

 Maybe this theory could be tested?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 04:06 | 4976535 Troy Ounce
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One can experience these trolls on an irregular basis in the comments section below contentious (spy) issues written in The Telegraph.

Sometimes they come out of the woodwork in droves, doing "Gods Work" like the Stasi in East Germany.

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:38 | 4976600 smacker
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Add to this outrageous behaviour by GCHQ is that last week the UK Parliament overwhelmingly approved - without scrutiny - a new Bill that Cameron tabled as "an Emergency Bill" which instructs all ISPs and Telcoms to retain records of all calls we make and our Internet activity for at least 12 months. Numerous agencies of The State will have access to the logs. And it's not just metadata that's being captured.

Whilst Cameron and the Home Secretary Theresa May claim this Bill was necessary because of a recent European Court ruling, I believe it was actually intended to retrospectively legalise GCHQ criminal activity which has been going on for a long time anyway.

And, like Mike Krieger, I believe all this spying has virtually nothing to do with anti-terrorism, protecting national security or keeping us safe from anything but is actually to keep us all under surveillance so they get early warning of a revolution coming down the tracks.

Government is an organised criminal syndicate and this new law is to protect themselves, not us.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:56 | 4976612 smacker
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IF anybody can explain WTF this weird message means, I'd be grtateful.

It's just appeared at the top of a ZH news article on my screen:

http://flyto.zapto.org/ZH-weird-message.jpg

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:47 | 4976847 TalkToLind
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It just means that a database query that loads content on the page has failed.  

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:47 | 4976969 smacker
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Thanks, that's a relief.

For one moment I thought I was under attack from GCHQ ...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 08:34 | 4976615 smacker
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dupe deleted

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 08:34 | 4976619 smacker
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dupe deleted.

Dupes caused by access to ZH going haywire and not loading.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 07:51 | 4976642 Troy Ounce
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The egg heads are trolling this site. Your mother would be proud of you.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:13 | 4976675 Fast eazy
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I never comment and just browse here to learn things but I have to comment: Just accessing this site probably puts you on some alphabet agencies list LOL

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:22 | 4976688 world_debt_slave
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1984

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:33 | 4976707 orangegeek
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saw the movie recently - richard burton, john hurt

 

the flow of information is remarkably similar to today

 

no wonder Barry wants to hand over icann to the UN - this move fucks any freedom forever

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:00 | 4976750 tony wilson
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most of the british spies are busy downloading child snuff rape movies or hanging out at clubs like hoist or the horse meat disco just near mi6 vauxhall.

sometimes walking near vauxhall  under the railway bridges you can hear the faint distance cry of children screaming please mr please let us go/

my belief is we should not teach children sex education at school,we should teach them about the satanic nature of jewish blood sacrifice.

and if approached by a rabbi or a gchq type too run away.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:29 | 4976795 magpie
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Almost happened to David Camoron himself...don't mention the McCanns.

Jew Satanics are quite wasteful, they take the kids blood...whereas Celts like eat...but i digress. Even the nuns Ireland left the bodies in the sewer. "Without a trace"...as someone who was interested in archaeolgy i always wondered why graves were so uncommon for the Dolmen/menhir culture of Western Europe, another subject entirely.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:43 | 4977121 Hengist
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Because they burned the bodies, it's kind of hard to bury someone in just 2 foot of topsoil.  

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:13 | 4977017 Jackagain
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Even the Brits are Jews now in your warped mind? I'll bet you blame them for your bad weather too...

Other than that you may be on to something...  http://bit.ly/Jzfdi2                                                                                              

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:52 | 4977156 WTFx10
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The brits ZOG coup happened hundreds of years ago. They are better at hiding it.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:14 | 4976777 roadhazard
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The British don't hold a candle to internet misinformation and bullshit by a long shot. ZH is living proof. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:15 | 4976898 Kayman
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roadhazard

ZH usually frames a question around issues for which there is no clear answer. That sure beats "first out of the gate" with false "facts" that mainstream media upchucks.

And the comment section is, well... not the same as it once was.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:23 | 4976789 freedogger
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So none of you are real and I've just been talking to myself these past years? Figures

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:31 | 4976814 kurt
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I say old Bean.

I'm glad you are our allies. I'm sure you've overcome that whole "loss of empire and decent into an evicerated characature of your former glory" thing.

As our faithful ally we are comforted by your care for what and how we think. It's like having a Big Brother and we can be secure in your support of the every day man and not Oligarchs, Royalty, or perverted cabals of jaded sadists.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:57 | 4976876 Ban KKiller
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I feel safe. Thank you NSA,FBI,TSA,CIA, SEC, MIC, STATE POLICE and my friendly local police all over New Mexico. Doubleplus good!

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:28 | 4976936 Kayman
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You forgot to thank the FED. That bastion of monetary morality (stand still while I trickle down on ya).  That producer of pallets of clean crisp FRN's standing at the ready to grease the skids on every dirty little deal the MIC can dream up.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:42 | 4976960 TalkToLind
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I won't feel safe until the local traffic cops are driving Abrams tanks...and not a moment sooner.  

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:05 | 4977007 viahj
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events sure have been accelerating these past few months.  ensure to take precautions and be ready.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:52 | 4977162 Hengist
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As someone who has been on the closely watched and monitored list for years even had the guys parked outside my accomadation occassionally (I have no idea why I made the list), you can have fun with these idiots.  When calling a friend on skype (and he loves a good conspiracy as much as the next man) you can detect when they are they are intercepting your call as the signal degrades and you get strange background noises just mention that you know they are on the line and you've been f**k**g his missus.  The call will be disconnected in seconds.

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