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May the victims of this tragedy caused by human folly, rest in peace...

"With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their empire over matter."--HG Wells

 

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Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:24 | 4977955 Flying Wombat
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I'd like to nail down the evidence value of those YouTube videos fingering Russia.  A cached timestamp can be manipulated, or a server's internal clock can be wrong.  Anyone here know of a way to traceroute from the original server to others and perhaps substantiate the timestamps?  More info below.  Thanks.  -- Eric Dubin, Managing Editor, The News Doctors    ... and thanks, WB!  Nice to see active and insightful comments posted here.

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False Flag Over Ukraine? These Videos Raise Compelling Questions

TND Exclusive:  Eric Dubin |

http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=183970

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:19 | 4977623 JohnFrodo
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Will be ever know who shot down MH17.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 08:22 | 4976645 Lumberjack
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Jesus WB, this DDOS attack on ZH is a bit much. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 08:32 | 4976644 Lumberjack
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Jesus WB, this DDOS attack on ZH is a bit much. 

Sorry for the double post but that is what many of the readers are going through. Maybe Tyler(s) can do an article about this as it seems to be historic and would be part of the record. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 07:23 | 4976627 IronForge
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I can't raise half the Articles here.  I'm getting drupal notices that the Site's having Tech Problems.  DDOS?  Or Man in the middle/Sabotage of ZH Articles (since users reveal good info)?

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 08:43 | 4976659 Squid-puppets a...
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yaa man, ive had issues all day from these .gov asshole attacks on zh

punch through, tyler my man, punch through

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:59 | 4976614 IronForge
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I can't raise half the Articles here.  I'm getting drupal notices that the Site's having Tech Problems.  DDOS?  Or Man in the middle/Sabotage of ZH Articles (since users reveal good info)?

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:54 | 4977557 FinalEvent
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No, it means you're on the list.

Fixed instantly when connected through TOR.

you're being watched, it's too late to hide

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 04:44 | 4976549 janus
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history:

piecing all this together from a collage of disparate sources -- including, but not limited to, Tolstoy's W&P, Napoleon's auto-bio, a few memorable professors...etc -- there are some lessons from the past that are more than germane today.

Napoleon Bonaparte (without doubt the greatest man of the modern era) took moscow in the mid to latter part of the nineteenth century.  inasmuch as Bonaparte was keenly aware of the ruso-affinity for all things gaul, Napoleon presumed that the rus would, after the sack, welcome the french -- if not encourage their entre.  well, the russians are, were and will always remain an enigma.  not quite east, not quite west, not a blend of both.  they are a peasant people, instructed and herded by a noble class -- and both components of their calculus are inscrutable nuts that won't yield to the hammer's crack.

Napoleon soon discovered -- to his shock and utter dismay -- that the rus would sooner see their beloved city burnt to the ground than permit an alien's triumph.  and so it came to pass, the city's elders lit moscow ablaze and passed into the north.  and much as Lot, they didn't even turn to see it burn.  figuring instead that they should decamp, wait on the brutal winter and see what Bonaparte would conjure from the chaos.  the rest, as they say, is history. 

all our braniest think-tanks cannot rival the mind of Bonaparte...and yet, the 'west' still pursues the submission of the rus.  and all of this will end in fruitless despondency.  trust me (or don't).  you just don't fuck with russia on her native soil.  it's a lesson repeated over & over & over & over again...and still, the 'west' isn't satisfied.

and so we've concocted this cockamamie strategy to lure putin outta his comfort-zone and force him to defend his only deep-water mediterranean port in syria.  he will...oh, bitchez, putin will thus defend.  

this all smells of armegddonish rot and ruin to ole janus.  

south ossetia hath taught us (and crimea hath reminded us) that this fearsome slav will punk us in any op adjacent to his borders (and what he considers his domain); and so, we reckon we'll test his force-posture at its outter-most boundary (sub-south eurasia -- iran & syria).

but, in that we've got ourselves a muslim-commie-niggah-faggot, who's been purging the best generals and most competent architects  of our still (though barely) incredible military, you queers can count janus out for support.  i WILL NOT (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) back this imbecility, particularly under the rubric of muslim-commie-niggah(crackhead)-fagdom.

but i wanna leave-off this contemporaneous morass...i had me a great day at the lake.

it all began with the sighting of an alligator garr...i didn't think those things could bear conditions this far north.  i've seen plenty of em in mississippi, louisiana and georgia...but northern south carolina?  

anyway, this thing was four feet long if it was an inch.  it peaked above the water, winked at me and then slinked off to the west.  

oh, HELLS NO!  janus dove right in after it.  that son of a bitch has gotta learn who's top predator round these parts.

but the coward battered off before i could snag its tail, subdue it and then consume it.  fret not, i'll get that bastard (if it's the last thing i do, i will catch and cook that scaly, flaky-fleshed monster).  

anyway, i've finally cultivated that deep tan of dixie sun-soaked satisfaction.  the chics luv it! (and well they should).

so i decided to show it off at a local honkey-tonk.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6M77oHD110

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrJkzd2oLb8

but before i went, mrs. sandy said i could drive the jag convertible.  ever have that feeling that a car was designed with 'you' in mind?  well, janus has...and it happened today.

after charging the battery, i pulled outta the driveway for a short cruise to limber her legs.  i swear, ZHealots, i ain't makin this up:  as i get to the end of the gravel drive and start to figure that i should own this particular vehicle, i note the mile on the odometer.  it just so happens that the miles were turning, at that very moment, to 63666.  and, moreover, this song instantly starts spewin into the jag's speaker system:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SoXxnlCUqk

so, anyway, me and mrs. sandy made our way to a lake murray honkey-tonk called "charlie's"...and this was the act playin up the crowd (no shit...this was the dude.  actually, i quite enjoyed it (cheesy as it may seem), as the man is a natural performer):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qePljF4bkcU

we both had the seafood platter (scallops, oysters & grouper)...and we had ourselves a grand ole time.  thanks, rick wade!

as you all may now assume, that jag convertible is now the property of janus. 

beware, citizens of aiken, south carolina...janus will be crusin in in a gold jag convertable (rag-top down) late afternoon manana.  i've got some other friends to see (aiken was my hometown for four years).   but not before i spend a spell hunting that cursed alligator garr and soakin in some more southern sun.

i must say, as much as i still loathe alabama, i'm startin to feel right at home in south carolina once again...everybody waves (except when you're cruisin in a jag...in my GMC jimmy, everybody waves...but the jag, not so much).

i suppose that'll do it...that's beer #17 and some fifty cigarettes.  enough is truly enough.  one last dip in the lake and it's bedtime.  so, one last sign-off song:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoQ4aR393Is

this is my world/

and i am/

 a world leader pretend,

janus

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:27 | 4976279 nmewn
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Completely OT...but on this day, 45yrs ago, the "Lion of Liberalism" left Mary Jo Kopechne to drown.

Sayin ;-)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 03:41 | 4976523 janus
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even more off topic, but didn't teddy fight vehemently to keep poor little nigger chillins outta the irish-dorchester (boston sub-city) schools some 33 years ago (almost to this day)?  yup, 'liberals' are a strange bunch indeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw9NMFSy-1w

now, prison makes me think of isolation/

women make me think of consolation/

niggers made me vote for segregation/

and cocaine make me hard as a rock,

janus

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:01 | 4976209 MontgomeryScott
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Mr. Seven,

I ran across a story by ETN (Golbal Travel Industry News) that indicates (via an interview with a civilian air traffic controller in Ukraine at the time) that the story is far different than advertised.

A part of this story was confirmed by independent sources (Kiev has seized all data and transmissions as of now, declaring some 'state secrets' shit).

http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-...

 

I don't know if you have run across this story yet.

They are mother fuckers, you know, and they REALLY don't care if billions die in order to further their agenda.

Is that Archduke Ferdinand and his wife?

 

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:31 | 4976277 williambanzai7
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Yes the story has an entirely different narrative lurking in the fog. They are trying their best to obfuscate and hide the facts. And the trolls and morons are out in full force to attack anyone who displays the slightest bit of skepticism. Anyone who wonders how a President can be so conclusive when things like flight recorders are missing and tower communications are declared state secrets.

That is the Archduke and Mrs.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:54 | 4977562 gimme-gimme-gimme
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The map you used it out dated.  Apparently a lot more airliners took a very similar flight path as MH-17 before being shot down:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2697098/THREE-HUND...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:12 | 4976591 disabledvet
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"Jen Pysaki." Poland used to have an Empire there...not some "branded nut." This is a truly vast space...where entire Armies disappear...and can be made to disappear as well.

"Warrior heaven."

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:33 | 4975775 DoolieDoink
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Consider 

When a Malaysian airliner hits the ground it leaves tons of debris, but when an American airliner hits the Pentagon, it leaves none.  

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:56 | 4976338 MontgomeryScott
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The comparison to the Shankesville, PA. 'downing' is much better than the Pentagram Cruise missile/Drone strike scenario (factual, and quite evident).

There was a great big hole (remenicient of the strip-mining tailings that were photographed by Google Earth and archived in 1997: Just before Google became GOOKLE and began writing script that was commissioned by the Chinese PLA to block 'offensive websites', I saved a SREEN-SHOT of a comparison photo posted in early 2007), but no plane parts, no bodies, no baggage, no big plumes of smoke, NOTHING. (A shot of a bunch of guys standing by a strip-mining tailing dump in uniforms.) The plane VAPORIZED and plowed in to the hard ground as though it was a body of water. The WHOLE AIRCRAFT just DISAPPEARED, and was miraculously BURIED in a SLIT-TRENCH (that was already there beforehand).

Yeah, the lawn at the Pentagram was clearly untouched, and the hole was too small. This DOES NOT MEAN that there was NOTHING that hit it (simply, it was something different than a commercial airliner that punched a perfectly-round hole all the way through to the 'C' ring, measuring approximately 13 feet in diameter at the SINGLE exit point).

The Shankesville plane was most likely shot down while at altitude; causing a break-up in flight (hence the 9-mile long debris field reported by the MSM on the FIRST day, and then erased from public memory). The Pentagram plane most likely was taken over by remote control, and flown out to the Atlantic to be ditched (or, perhaps, both aircraft were co-joined with the ones that I describe below).

The WTC planes were most likely replacement drone aircraft outfitted by the likes of Evergreen Aviation (akin to the Northwoods ops), and WTC7 was most likely the building that held the remote transponder that guided them in to their targets. The ACTUAL flights were PROBABLY diverted to a remote landing strip, where the passengers and crew were 'wet-worked'.

 

CONSIDER the possibilities and the rational, evidenciary facts.

 

The BRITS like to call this a 'primer' (pronounced PRIM'ur) for those who are not quite up to speed on the events of 9/11.

Do your 'due diligent' research, and be enlightened.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:55 | 4976336 MontgomeryScott
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The comparison to the Shankesville, PA. 'downing' is much better than the Pentagram Cruise missile/Drone strike scenario (factual, and quite evident).

There was a great big hole (remenicient of the strip-mining tailings that were photographed by Google Earth and archived in 1997: Just before Google became GOOKLE and began writing script that was commissioned by the Chinese PLA to block 'offensive websites', I saved a SREEN-SHOT of a comparison photo posted in early 2007), but no plane parts, no bodies, no baggage, no big plumes of smoke, NOTHING. (A shot of a bunch of guys standing by a strip-mining tailing dump in uniforms.) The plane VAPORIZED and plowed in to the hard ground as though it was a body of water. The WHOLE AIRCRAFT just DISAPPEARED, and was miraculously BURIED in a SLIT-TRENCH (that was already there beforehand).

Yeah, the lawn at the Pentagram was clearly untouched, and the hole was too small. This DOES NOT MEAN that there was NOTHING that hit it (simply, it was something different than a commercial airliner that punched a perfectly-round hole all the way through to the 'C' ring, measuring approximately 13 feet in diameter at the SINGLE exit point).

The Shankesville plane was most likely shot down while at altitude; causing a break-up in flight (hence the 9-mile long debris field reported by the MSM on the FIRST day, and then erased from public memory). The Pentagram plane most likely was taken over by remote control, and flown out to the Atlantic to be ditched (or, perhaps, both aircraft were co-joined with the ones that I describe below).

The WTC planes were most likely replacement drone aircraft outfitted by the likes of Evergreen Aviation (akin to the Northwoods ops), and WTC7 was most likely the building that held the remote transponder that guided them in to their targets. The ACTUAL flights were PROBABLY diverted to a remote landing strip, where the passengers and crew were 'wet-worked'.

 

CONSIDER the possibilities and the rational, evidenciary facts.

 

The BRITS like to call this a 'primer' (pronounced PRIM'ur) for those who are not quite up to speed on the events of 9/11.

Do your 'due diligent' research, and be enlightened.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:54 | 4976032 COSMOS
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Looks like a black hole to me lol.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:50 | 4975659 Conax
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Great analogy, WB! It does smack of a Lusitanical moment.

on to the point-

Some of the bodies looked bloated. Maybe they were overweight, but some of them looked a little ripe to me.  Now there is a story out of Ukraine that says the same thing.  This could get away from them.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:13 | 4975558 RevRex
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It is amazing what passes for entertainment during the end times...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:58 | 4974573 Moski
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I saw one vid where the plane was falling vertically with one wing aflame and zero smoke following.  I've seen other vids where there's nothing visible in the sky until a dark gray plume develops on the horizon.  Can a missile ignite a wing which remains smokeless and force the jet into a perfectly vertical dive?  

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:48 | 4974374 SoDamnMad
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All MSM is viewing the downed jet in the field. I'm watching TV over here in Europe and seeing villages and city streets in and around Lugansk being shelled with ambulances picking up men, women and children chopped up with shrapnel.  No pro-separatist road blocks, no soldiers, nothing strategic. Just put the shells in the artillery and yank the lanyard sending it anywhere.  They are accepting wounded Ukrainian soldiers across the border into the Russian hospitals because they have waited a couple days to get treatment. Haven't seen a picture of any MREs but I have seen moldy bread the Ukie soldiers are suppose to be receiving.  Yes, weapons are coming across the border.  Yes, volunteers are coming in from Dagestan to fight with the separatists.  Bad but not as bad as Syria.  

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:35 | 4974652 the grateful un...
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its curious that in a world of 8B people the reasons for the death of 300 becomes a media frenzy. (almost as much as the 300 in Gaza) the US through Clinton and Bush must have killed a million Iraq civilians and it was vainglorious stuff. its more than the supposed innocence of these victims, sipping cocktails at 20000 feet one moment, dismembered the next. the president himself personally orders the murder by drone of innocent people, and it all meets the definition of outrage. i am numb to it. the potus blathering, the world is not coming to an end, we're doing what we always do, we throw a few virgins in the volcano, shake hands and wait for the next eruption.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:40 | 4974676 williambanzai7
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The world certainly did not errupt when we "accidentally" shot down that Iranian passenger jet.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 01:19 | 4976464 the grateful un...
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curiously my local TV ran that story line, including a vintage interview with the wife of one of the sailors on board the Vincennes, who equivicated upon the deaths of those innocent people. it was all pretty much UNLIKE most MSM transcripts. i do think we are programmed instinctively to do the right thing, while government seeks to program us in a different direction for the common good. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 01:03 | 4976453 the grateful un...
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curiously my local TV ran that story line, including a vintage interview with the wife of one of the sailors on board the Vincennes, who equivicated upon the deaths of those innocent people. it was all pretty much UNLIKE most MSM transcripts. i do think we are programmed instinctively to do the right thing, while government seeks to program us in a different direction for the common good. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:38 | 4975443 COSMOS
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Maybe when the human race teeters on the brink of exctinction, a human life will have some value again.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:28 | 4976125 MEAN BUSINESS
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COSMOS: "when"? The time is now... again. And it's not just human life...

COP 15 Cultural Opening Ceremony, Danish National Girls Choir:

All Life Is Your Life

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:06 | 4975534 Pure Evil
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As long as those left teetering aren't grade A psychopaths.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:45 | 4973988 Billy Sol Estes
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Should have drawn the plane sitting in the car franz was in. Put a little Fez on it too.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:59 | 4974447 williambanzai7
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I have a  more humorous image but decided to defer at this moment.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:40 | 4974679 Crawdaddy
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lol WB7 this graphic is brilliant. Earlier I posted this on another thread

The prime suspect has been taken in for questioning:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:23 | 4973864 WTFUD
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I like Lavrov
I loathe Kerry

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:18 | 4976262 disabledvet
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You're not suppose to like your Secretary of State.
"He's suppose to be the asshole that always wins."

So far Kiev is attacking and winning and Israel is also attacking and winning. Strangely enough Europe is de facto attacking Russia "but feigning holding back the American Monster!"

Equities are at record highs, treasury yields record lows.

Looks like Illinois (the State) could blow any day now.

Clearly there could be a lot more wrong with this picture.

I do agree you don't want to be a male between the ages of 17 and 42 in Western Europe, Japan or the USA right now.

And if "this is not the mid cycle correction you are looking for" Jedi economic trick fails to work (yet again) forget the "petit bourgeois" that have been obliterated...the establishment might be forced to deal with all us angry poor people now too.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:04 | 4973753 alexcojones
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BTW William,

I appreciate your pithy remarks (posts) from time to time, as much as your rapier artwork.

Thanks Bill.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:51 | 4973647 stant
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Lagardes ouiji board is raising bloody hell

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:49 | 4973641 Cui Bono
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WB, are you saying this is perhaps that once in a... while...err.. ultrarare BilderHindenburger Moment where two carefully coordinated black swans crash into each other midflight?

so many moving parts, my head hurts.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:06 | 4973751 williambanzai7
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When people have an agenda. all they need is a convenient excuse, preferably one that will resonate with a substantial cross section of the mob. The excuse can be accidental, manufactured or a combination of both.

Clearly there are people hungry to play this unfortunate event to their advantage.

Meanwhile, the flight controllers are wondering how and why it is possible that this plane took its fateful route. Consider the efforts taken to avoid everyday thunder storms. Yet no one tries to prevent a jet carrying 290 Pax above a chaotic war zone with active anti aircraft activity ongoing.  

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:43 | 4974693 the grateful un...
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cheney and bush, labor day 2001.

Got a memo here Dick, says Al Qaeda is planning a terror attack. Didn't they bomb WTC once before?

Well, George, just file this in the circular file.

Okay Dick, I have a tee time.

Yeah George. An attack on WTC, imagine what we could do with that?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:16 | 4976091 willwork4food
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lol. If you think for a moment that Georgie and Dickie were surprised by it I have some good T bills I think you'll fall in love with.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:34 | 4973924 Cui Bono
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Very good points.... All the msm shit has got to be a usable teaching moment- Truth being the first casualty of war...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:30 | 4973914 Hippocratic Oaf
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Human folly?

How about a blatant disregard for anything?

ANYTHING

The fingers that pulled the trigger and guided the missle have no remorse of what they did. Or their puppet-master.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:58 | 4974438 williambanzai7
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It is always easy to find a finger

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:09 | 4976892 mrpxsytin
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Especially a fat finger.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:47 | 4973629 stant
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Lagardes ouiji board is raising bloody hell

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:35 | 4973228 Otto Zitte
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payback is a motherfucker.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:22 | 4973135 cro_maat
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Lots of 7's and 17's including (2014 = 7). The cabal loves their numerology don't they.

Sick bastards.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:19 | 4973116 Oracle 911
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Is the Malaysian flight the Franz Ferdinand Moment?

I'm serious.

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