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OECD Fears Middle Class Civil Unrest Is Coming

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Submitted by Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics blog,

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This idea that we live in a world where government cares about us is just the biggest propaganda ever. Everyone one will only pursue their own self-interest. The OECD has interesting come out and warned that if governments are unable to stop the transfer of wealth to a small financial elite, the displeasure of the dispossessed middle class could easily turn and go against the prevailing governmental systems. The OECD has claimed to have discovered the existence of a veritable “lumpenproletariat” in the supposedly rich Germany. Even though the systems attempt to provide citizens with bread and circuses in the traditional Roman style to keep them quiet, such  tactics they warn may have now become obsolete after the ultimate circus is over – the World Cup.

The problem with all of these studies is the look at class warfare and not at the consumption of government. They do not follow the breadcrumbs. What if you take everything from the elites? Who will start businesses to create jobs? Who will be left to take as government pensions keep ticking away. In Germany, it has now surpassed 50% of the average persons labor goes to taxes.
 
There are a host of books coming out all about just taxing the rich more ignoring reducing the cost of government. The German bestseller “The plunder of the world” presents just another socialist agenda arguing that the rich get richer even in times of crisis, while the consequences of a crisis are always carried by the lower-income groups and the middle class. It fails to explain that the rich get richer from investment, not wage income. This is an argument to effective tax investment substantially to even out the disparity? But who then creates the jobs that produce anything? Is it that those who invest unfairly make money when the others pay too much in taxes and do not invest? Anyone who thinks that these books are real must be insane. If you think for one second raising the taxes on the rich will mean your taxes will decline – good luck. In Germany, Tax Freedom Day has passed the 50% and even in Canada it is now June 9, 2014. In the United States it is April 21st for 2014.
 
In France, the magazine Challenges has determined that the richest Frenchmen saw their assets in 2013 rise by 15% since they benefit from the profits in foreign companies. There is no discussion that government consumes too much – EVER!
 
German Debt Int%
 

The consequences of unequal distribution of wealth in the world is becoming the tipping point argued and funded by governments to blame the rich – never government. Nobody seems to be doing the math that if you confiscate all that wealth you end up with communism with taxation and government just keeps growing until it consumes everything. We borrow with no intent of paying anything back and that about 70% of the national debts is all interest that built no schools, reduced nobody’s tax bills, and did nothing for the middle class. This is fairly consistent in all major countries. Governments are trying to push interest rates exceptionally lower to reduce their deficits exploiting the middle class creating a disincentive to save even for retirement when it pays next to nothing.

The OECD is now warning like Picketty that a growing gap between rich and poor will erupt into revolution – not that government is taxing too much. According to the words of the OECD Secretary General Jose Angel Gurria, the problem since the global financial and economic crisis has exacerbated massive. “In the first three years of crisis, inequality increased more than in the twelve years before, “he told the Business Week”. On average across OECD countries, the top 10% of the population now earn 9.5 times as much as the lowest 10% but fail to explain this is from investment. Inequality has grown by 35% because stock markets are rising to escape from the craziness of government. The higher they rise, the greater the disparity.

The OECD claims this is clearly felt in the USA more so than Europe omitting the fact that the disparity comes from investment not wages. They they compare that to Europe claiming there is no welfare state in Europe so somehow this is implied to be better. The OECD then highlights supposedly rich Germany as a dangerous development with a rising disparity stating this is “namely that it is a lumpenproletariat, a very poorly trained and poorly paid part of the Arbeiterschich.

The argument now is the middle class civil unrest they know is coming is simply because they have not confiscated the wealth of the investors they call the financial elites. So if you invest and make any money, you are the new financial elites – sorry it is anyone who now invests. Michael Maier’s The plunder of the world is another book released to justify plundering the financial elites without actually identifying who they are. Sorry – it is you.

 

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Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:53 | 4974734 Occident Mortal
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Middle Class is already dead

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:53 | 4974737 PAPA ROACH
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I should open a pitchfork shop....

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:57 | 4974752 economics9698
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Can you spell banker P-O-G-R-O-M-S.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:58 | 4974763 max2205
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No need to worry, the FSA is doing fine in the United States of Barry

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:05 | 4974792 ZerOhead
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The OECD is starting to say the same things we do here... although belatedly.

Does that make them terrorists too?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:54 | 4975050 bunzbunzbunz
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Google listed bitcoin as a currency...get some free now while the price is still in consolidation: http://freebitco.in/?r=25727

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:56 | 4975065 outamyeffinway
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Armstrong is becoming very douchey.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:13 | 4975157 wee-weed up
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The Government will do it's damndest to ensure the Middle Class becomes the Bottom Class before any "uprising" ever takes place. They know if you're struggling to just survive day to day, you have very little time for "uprisings."

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:27 | 4975214 RafterManFMJ
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The death of the Middle class solves all problems; no Middle class, no problem.

-Losif Stalin

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:29 | 4975227 Shocker
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Well the good paying/benefit jobs are going away or being replaced with low wages/no benefit Jobs.

Also everything you need to survive is going up, Food, Taxes, Housing, Electric Bills....

Its tough times

Full Layoff / Closing List: http://www.dailyjobcuts.com

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:49 | 4975309 corporatewhore
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If you can even find jobs which will give you 40 hours.  Most won't.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:58 | 4975346 Herd Redirectio...
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And Armstrong ignores the connection between government and legalized cartels/monopolies, cronies....  The elite became elite by gaming the shit out of the system, co-opting the gov't where necessary.

Italy in WWII was fascism run by Mussolini.

US present day is neo-feudalism/fascism, run by THE CORPORATIONS.  The gov't is a tool for elites...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:06 | 4975533 ATM
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I disagree. The first place to look is always ate where the power is consolidated - Government. 

It is government that uses the corporations to do it's bidding. They create rules that make mega corps the rule and then Government controls the few corps because it is a symbiotic relationship. What is good for government is good for those corporations.

But the power always lies in the ability to make laws, not in the corps. They are the pawns of the real power. And real power lies in government. Always has and always will.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:32 | 4975610 centerline
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Now that is retarded.

Reality is that you need to just follow the money.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:47 | 4975650 Manthong
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COULD easily turn”  ??

Pitchforks                     check

Burning torches            check

Tar                              check

Feathers                      check

Nooses                        check

Guillotines                   check

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:18 | 4976416 Pinto Currency
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When central banks print money those that benefit are those close to the spigot - the financial sector.

And after the bubble pops when governments and cb's bail-out the financial sector and leave everyone else with a load of debt, when then it is the financial sector that wins again.

Sorry middle class, but that is the luck of the draw.  And the draw only has one outcome, ever.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:42 | 4976430 CheapBastard
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Where is Hank Paulson now?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:23 | 4976689 Elvis the Pelvis
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I believe in revolution.  But usually I'm too busy playing with my nipples.  Bitches.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:54 | 4976869 wisefool
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probably driving that mobile SAM battery around. War is the health of the state you know ...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:49 | 4979865 FEDbuster
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Paraphrasing Napoleon "the hand that gives is above the hand that takes" Banksters Rule.   Anyone whom doesn't see that is a fool.  Politics is just entertainment with two teams to cheer for.

Middle class America has deluded itself for fifty years using cheap imports of energy and material goods and debt to maintain the illusion of a lifestyle that should no longer exist.

World War 3 and/or pandemic seems inevitable now.  "My future's so bright I have to wear shades."

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:51 | 4975655 CH1
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Now that is retarded.

No, it is not retarded: Government legitimizes the entire operation.

I would call guv and central banks partners, and I call both of them evil.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:49 | 4975827 centerline
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The question though is "who is using who" ultimately.  Not along the way, but in the end.  To answer that question, ask yourself who the scapegoats are going to be when the SHTF?  Whose hands will be on the printing press lever?  Or the declaration of war?  etc.

Yeah - I am being sort of dickhead to play it so binary.  You guys aren't wrong at all.  I am just splitting hairs here over context.

Financial crisis = sovereign crisis = political crisis = public crisis.  Realistically, the public at large is going to be ULTIMATE scapegoats... and sadly enough, it will be justified when viewed through from the angle from which it will be sold.  We know better here.  But the masses don't.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:24 | 4975931 Anusocracy
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You are wrong, ATM is correct. And the real question is what entity possesses the ability to do what is being done.

Government can do everything that it's doing now without any influence from the banks, but without the government, the banks can't do hardly anything they are doing now.

If there wasn't a government, would there have been a trillion dollar bailout?

Would you have given them your money and your children's money?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:51 | 4976186 markmotive
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:03 | 4976219 pods
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I watched it until he went down the "masive taxation on corporations and redistribution" road.

pods

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 23:01 | 4976343 nmewn
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I can't believe we're still arguing about the symbiosis of government & corporations at the expense of the middle class after all these years.

The clearest example is on the southern border. All one needs to look for is who is advocating for cheaper labor and human rights under their respective masks.

Why, they both are, how interesting ;-)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 02:29 | 4976497 Raging Debate
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NMewn - 'Public/private partnerships' enough said.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:14 | 4976772 nmewn
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Yes.

And look who is backing Justin Amash's primary opponent, the Chamber of Commerce:

"Justin Amash authored the bill that ends the Ex-Im corporate welfare bank,” said campaign spokesman Ben Vanderveen. “Reauthorizing Ex-Im is the Chamber's top lobbying goal. We disagree on the wisdom of spending taxpayer dollars on corporate welfare, and apparently that was too fundamental of a disagreement for the Chamber to stomach."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/chamber-endorses-rep.-justin-amashs-primary-challenger/article/2551033

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 21:03 | 4978588 buyingsterling
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The Fed laundered all of the bad MBS debt for the banks - but most of those funds were used to buy treasuries (probably forced to). So President Pimp can continue his spending spree. It's all sybmbiotic, but ultimately, President Pimp will scream 'Jew bankers must die' if it's a matter of his survival. Government holds all the cards, the banks are useful servants, and they know it. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:24 | 4976792 TMLutas
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The question is not who is using who. The question is if you can only fix one of the two, which leads to a better outcome. The answer to that is pretty obviously fixing government because you can always start a corporation to compete with the existing crop which legally reigns in the abuses and can be quite lucrative. Starting a new government is generally called treason and most of the time ends up with people in jail and dead. 

It's better to fix the government. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:13 | 4976870 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Neither they work hand in hand.

You needed a belief system to unite everyone then a government structure to once they are worshipping idioltry to utilize the farm animals.

They work hand in hand. Money is idioltry and religion. the current financia/church government system is just feudalism 2.0.

The old setup was you worked the land (teach a man to fish) for food (fish) while starving them of knowledge aka the church aka Catholic Sharia Law controls the spiritual beliefs.

Bubonic plague broke that system so they switched the idioltry to money since microbes won't destroy belief in money.

So feudalism 2.0 they let the people feed themselves spiritually but work for money (teach a man to fish) for money (fish) instead of working the fields for food.

See the game yet.

The Vatican just became a giant banking empire. One bank to rule them all.

The United States was the one breakaway that actual rebelled and won against feudalism system. You could actually own your own land outright and feed yourself without idioltry. The empire of course doesn't like competition ans slowly but surely has gotten it's tentacles back into the US and reestablished the feudal system. Can you own your own land outright, no you always rent if they can take it if you don't pay property taxes for starters. We are back to feudalism and they control the fish through the idoiltry here.

Middle class is the worst off in the whole setup and most vunerable if it collapses so yeah they are the most likely to revolt first because they have the most to lose unlike the rich who actually can own land outright taxes or not when you are worshipper in the church of finance especially if your are high priest like a head of a bank. The free shit army is not the real problem since you pull away the free shit they will pick apart whereever they are concentrated locust storm ripping the place bare of food then dying off afterwards as long they are contained in an area like an urban center. They don't have any resources or brains to fight the system anyways once it turns on them. The middle class on the other hand does and if the distractions ever fail.... All hell will break lose.

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:49 | 4977873 RichardParker
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As I understand it, you don't "own land outright" without alloidal title:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title

Even then, no guarantees...

 

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:34 | 4977834 Miggy
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Pretty well said Centerline.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:08 | 4975860 g speed
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oops ---it's snot either--- it's corruption--plain and simple--those in positions of power be it the gov't bureaucracy or the corp boardroom or the halls of congress or the squad car--using power to the disadvantage of others is patently unfair.  The scales will balance in the end--and the futher they're "out" the more they correct-- To be in high places of power in this world requires murder-- understanding the level of correction in store for the powerful is not hard.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:20 | 4976684 PrintemDano
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My money seems to flow to the various evil corksucking governments in these United States...they suck the teet pretty hard...if these Corporations don't do what the Government wishes they just come up with an excuse to shut them down, explaining why the large Corporations always back the government...you won't see GE backing Hobby Lobby that's for damn sure.....government has the guns....they trump the Corporations.  Government for the win. Now Don Pardo tell Print em Dano what he has won!

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:01 | 4976752 Not My Real Name
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This ^^^^^^^

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:28 | 4977065 moneybots
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Clean Coal

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:17 | 4975904 Jumbotron
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I disagree. The first place to look is always ate where the power is consolidated - Government.

Bullshit ATM....complete and UTTER bullshit.  Government only skims off the top of where the REAL power lies.  Global Banks and Global Corporations.

Where government REALLY begins to affect the masses is the State and Local governments.

And look what they are preparing for....

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/pima-county-...

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/images/militarized_police.jpg

http://www.akdart.com/images/boston.jpg

http://obrag.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/LRAD-Pittsburgh.jpg

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5385/images/policestate.jpg

 

One of the best sites on the net to keep up with the Para-Military Police Force is here.....

http://www.informationliberation.com/

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:51 | 4976608 jwoop66
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In every one of your links I see GOVT stooges enforcing the will of the GOVT.  

 

GOVT is the problem. 

 

If we had LIMITED GOVT, corporations would be forced to compete.

 

GOVT IS the problem.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 08:58 | 4976667 Jumbotron
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If we had LIMITED GOVT, corporations would be forced to compete.

Bullshit.  Government gets their money from a private bank known as the Fed.  When the Fed prints money it goes to the banks.  The banks make loans to businesses who in turn pay people to work for them.  That money is taxed by the government to pay for thing like the military, infrastructure and graft.....( i.e. their paychecks, welfare and income redistribution, etc.) 

But never forget.  First comes the private Central Bank......then the Corporation.  Everything else is a skim.  Kill the Central Bank, the system as it has been designed falls apart.  So does the Governments income stream....so does their power.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to have limited government when you have a private Central Bank with UNLIMITED power to print money and Global Coroporations with UNLIMITED power to control the flow of natural resources and manpower from whereever they like.....whereever they can get the cheapest wage slave labor.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:24 | 4976691 PrintemDano
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What you say is true.  That being said, the government can shut down the Fed, or Citibank tomorrow if they so choose.  It is a symbiotic relationship between evil government and evil large corporations, but how many actual storm troopers and battalions of soldiers, 7th fleets, ICBM's does Citibank actually have?  The Fed?   None.  Guns and government for the win.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:34 | 4976708 Jumbotron
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The Corporations have ALL the power, for they can go anywhere they like.....which they are now.....where they can buy protection...even military protection.  So the U.S. shuts down the Fed.  Fine.  No problem....we just move our headquarters to somewhere more Central Bank friendly.  So...to use your example.....Citibank relocates to Germany, England, Russian even.  There you go.  Storm Troopers, battalions of soldiers, 7th fleets, ICBM's.

But you present a false choice.  The world over relies on Central Banking.  No one...not even the U.S. will unilateraly destroy their Central Bank.  And even if they did....money is fungable.  It can be printed from ANYWHERE and moved and exchanged ANYWHERE.

And they do this simply to fuel the Corporations.....not the Governments.

End of story.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:48 | 4977708 bitterwolf
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In a VACUUM, I would agree with your POWER advantage supposition. However your logic is deeply flawed by the re-introduction of the simple PAWN on the chessboard-the MAN, with a will to fight and a rifle(xthousands)-that simple. The TRUE BELIEVER has never been swayed by money or its many rewards. Au Contraire, the "warfighter" is motivated by IDEA)(s) ,PRINCIPALS, and the warfighter fighting beside him. History (including very current) is littered with examples of this conundrum(How is the monied power elite laid low by the common armed man). If the very old European/American power elite(not the wealthy 1% everyone bandies about)  miscalculate in introducing  radical change in global finance and governance through "order out of chaos", than the pandoras box of savagery will be unleashed globally with  the racial/national idenities conflicting with one another in the backdrop of historical wealth imbalances affecting all but the very upper stratas of all nations. Due  dilligence and comprehension are a prerequisite. 

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/Pubs/Display.Cfm?pubID=890

Cheers

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:13 | 4976081 ajax
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The corporations are writing the laws...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 05:25 | 4976570 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Europe needs a revolution.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:39 | 4976601 Sandmann
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That is funny. Europe won't get one ! There is no such thing as "Europe". You could argue Hungary has already had one.

The fact is that the mass of people go along with power and will live under Communism for 70 years or under Franco or Salazar or Greek Colonels or Turkish Military. The ones that don't get bruised or killed like Father Popov in Poland - or like "V" in V for Vendetta.

The radicalisation of "Evey" takes time - she has first to be rescued from destruction......

The Bourgeoisie is split - some are coopted and work for The State - others are outside the loop. But who can deny today that life is much better for those working for The State and much worse for the bourgeoisie working in the Private Sector ?

It requires rebellion from inside the State Apparatus - inside the NSA, inside the Military  - people forget Hitler had to bribe his generals with big cheques and farms to keep them loyal - he still faced 20 July 1944.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:35 | 4976712 Jumbotron
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Yeah...heard of Obamacare.  Obama did not write that law.  Congress did not write that law .....(remember Pelosi saying they have to pass the law to find out what's in it )

Insurance companies wrote the law.  Why ?  Who the fuck in Con-gress knows ANYTHING about corporate and insurance law ?

 

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:27 | 4976933 Anusocracy
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There would be no Obamacare if government didn't exist. Medicine would exist, banks would exist, but Obanacare and the Bankocracy/Coporatocracy wouldn't.

You have to be a government paid troll or a government true believer.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 19:59 | 4978416 jwoop66
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I believe jumbo is one of the hopefully diminishing few that still believes that if govt were in control of everything, things would be better.  You know: communism, socialism etc. 

 

Some folks just never learn...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:39 | 4976714 PrintemDano
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The government and the TBTF Corporations/Banks are in cahoots.  Agreed?  If so, it really doesn't matter who writes the laws now does it.  The heads of Corporations seem to have more intelligence than idiots like BathHouse Barry, Plugs Biden etc so you sure don't want THEM writing the law.  The person writing the law is moot.  Government has the guns and the pen.  Government will trump Corporations should it ever come to that.  It won't.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:05 | 4976885 Griffin
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The elites control government and government controls the people. We get a chance to pretend to influence the system every once in a while by voting for one of the options presented to us in this left/right system.

On the other hand the elites influence the govt constantly, they fund politicians, political parties and are involved in every aspect of politics from start to finish.

Like for example in Iceland, recommendations to law changes made to the parliament by the Chamber of commerce had reached a 90% success rate in 06, just prior to the collapse.

The Chamber of commerce is like a interface that links the elites to the government.

If there is a law that stands in their way they simply change it, or if one is needed to help funds flow from the public to private parties, then it is simply created.

It can be in the form of bailouts, Quantitative easing or what ever you want to call it, its basically just taxes.

 

The so called elites in Iceland are starting to crawl from under the stones they have been hiding under for several years now.

They are not as confident as before and the illusion of being untouchable is gone. Some of them are being prosecuted for various scams, like market manipulation and similar types of fraud.

Fatcat being interrogated  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGpQBxpfTBg

 

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:59 | 4977184 logicalman
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Not been watching very closely, have you?

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:41 | 4975632 centerline
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For sure herd.  He really hurts his credibility by doing so.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:59 | 4976047 JR
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The American Empire and the American people now exist only to serve the needs of the Federal Reserve System, i.e., the international banking families who own and operate it.

The Fed is at the core of the world's secret power structure as described by Dr. Carroll Quigley in his 1,300 page book, “Tragedy and Hope.”

Never has so much power and wealth been generated by such a massive scam -- by a cartel of international bankers right under our noses and protected by law…

To understand the Fed, its deceptions and the trillions in unearned wealth it generates for the Fed-connected, “just remember that it is a scam” and “then you’ll have no trouble comprehending what’s going on…”

America's Rothschild-birthed monetary system, its central bank, is why the finance industry, the exchange bankers and the stock market grow rich upon currency manipulation – i.e., smoke and mirrors - while today's productive industry and the middle classes grow poorer.

Professor Frederick Soddy in 1943 had the solution to the England’s monetary system problems and the City of London; it still holds today:

“As regards transition stages, fix a price-index on the cost of the more important expenses of an average middle-class householder, require the banks always to keep pound for pound of national money against their current accounts drawable by cheque, set up a national advisory statistical bureau on an independent scientific basis [to see to the stability of the price-level], and reconstitute the mint for the issue of all money. Avoid as the plague schemes for nationalizing banks. The object is to stop private minting and nationalize money itself.”

Or as St. Thomas put it: “The first point of reform is that the creation or issuing of exchange-medium must be taken out of private hands.”

Enduring as the Fed may seem, destroy the faith in the U.S. dollar and its power “will dissolve like mist on a warm morning.”

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:35 | 4976296 pods
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Exactly right JR.  At the turn of the 19th century, the seed money from the Rothschilds and their ilk led to prosperity (or coincided with prosperity). So much so that many corporations were self-financing our of profits (the horror.)  The large NY banks were actually losing power as the pump was primed and economics was up and running. 

Enter the panic of 1907, which just so happened to set the seed about "regulation" of the moneyed class for the people.

Fast forward to a central bank you have a decade of bubble economy, a crash, national bankruptcy, and a private currency regulated by the very banks who caused it.

Fucking A history books (independent ones) will look back at us with pity.

When the dollar goes, so goes modern America.  From cheap oil, to the rentier class skim America is built on debt creation.  And it will fall with it as well.

pods

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:52 | 4975840 Bossman1967
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How will they continue all their excesses if they wipe the middle out.the rich pay the min. And the poor is taking then what. They need us to keep being their slaves

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:41 | 4977846 Miggy
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They will pillage another land. Ukraine is in their sites right now as it holds the infastructure for the vast resources of Russia to all of Europe as we have learned here at ZH.

Skimming is the name of the game. Either through slow melting inflation where the newly printed money has long been spent or high frequency trading the skim game goes on and on.

 

John 3:16

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:17 | 4975911 gatorboat
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Middle class civil unrest?

You're joking right?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:18 | 4975915 Jumbotron
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More like Fat Ass Resting.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:34 | 4975216 Shocker
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That might be the new word.. Bottom class

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:51 | 4975321 toady
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Call me when you have no class.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:56 | 4975337 wee-weed up
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Yep, that's the goal of all totalitarian societies...

The Elites...

And everyone else.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:43 | 4975638 centerline
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hunger games... almost there.  the regions already defined.  just need the roadblocks.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:53 | 4975843 Bossman1967
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Ring ring wont you answer lol

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:29 | 4975225 Serfs Up
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My time.  It is coming.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 01:00 | 4976448 G-R-U-N-T
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You've been smoken' crack 'wee-weed up'? It is precisely economic pain that will cause civil unrest, it will probably be the public sector first as pensions and municipalities begin to fail. They will demand that Washington bails them out and the residual effects will cause yielding tension between the parasites and the producers. This will not end well or perhaps it's the beginning of the end.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:54 | 4976454 G-R-U-N-T
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Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:55 | 4976456 G-R-U-N-T
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Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:56 | 4976743 G-R-U-N-T
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Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:25 | 4976928 Franktastic
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I may be poor, but am rich in brass n lead

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:14 | 4977442 TheReplacement
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That is all well and good but what do you do when people have lost everything and they realize they have nothing left to lose?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 20:31 | 4978506 G-R-U-N-T
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My point, exactly!

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:20 | 4977797 Errol
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I don't know what 'douchey' means, but Armstrong sure does need an editor...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 03:29 | 4976514 matrix2012
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@ bunz3x

I do believe those crypto currencies are NSA ones or controlled by the Tribe! Go ahead at your own perils.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:05 | 4977133 shouldvekilledthem
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This site needs moderation. Scammers like this make bitcoiners look bad.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=freebitco.in%20scam%3F

 

Legit information on bitcoin:

 https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

https://www.weusecoins.com/en/

Popular exchanges:

bitstamp.net, bitcoin.de, bitfinex, coinbase, secondmarket (minimum quatity 25BTC).

Some places accepting btc:

coinmap.org

https://spendbitcoins.com/places/

Price charts:

http://bitcoinity.org/markets 

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/

http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:00 | 4975090 Anusocracy
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I favor the Cost of Government Day over the Tax Freedom Day.

It attempts to take into consideration all the Broken Window costs of government.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:50 | 4975319 Kirk2NCC1701
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Agreed.  By the same token... just WTF are WE doing on ZH to bring about results?

Unless ideas and discussion are translated into Organized Action, it's just "keyboard wanking". 

Lest I be one of these 'wankers', here's one suggestion:  Local ZH chapters that lobby local Congressmen.  Like certain societies, a person can have a public persona, image and activities, and a private (secret) one.  The former is and appears to be part of a grassroots Reform movement, and the latter has a more hidden agenda of completely transforming and re-staffing people in positions of power and influence.  IOW, we outdo TPTB with their Public/Private dichotomy.

p.s. Note that "Democracy is NOT for the scared, dumb, lazy, uninformed or the disorganized."  TPTB are the antithesis of these Loser-attributes, and love sheeple who fit into that mold.

Kirk out

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:01 | 4975350 Herd Redirectio...
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Kirk, when virgins start reforming whorehouses, you know what happens, right?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:19 | 4975572 Cobra
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Price discovery?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:19 | 4975921 Jumbotron
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No one wants to pay the price on ZeroHedge.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:15 | 4975720 blu
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You discover that there are no actual virgins.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:01 | 4975863 Raymond K Hessel
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I'm right there with you Kirk.  

Just one problem on my end.

I know democracy for what it is and what it ain't.  

  • Democracy is mob rule, majority wins, minority loses.  It has no inherent moral compass and is open for manipulation by anyone with the charisma to run it.
  • Democracy ain't protecting freedom or liberty.  It ain't what's needed to run a civil society.  It ain't anything but trouble for people who want to be left alone. 

But I do want to sign up and join some local political office or NGO, say all the right things, let them think I'm on their side and with my fellow ZHers take it all down.  Democrats and Republicans all the same.  Replace them with something better, something new.

O P E R A T I O N   M A Y H E M  !  !  !

When do we start? 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:21 | 4975928 Jumbotron
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There will be nothing new.  Only different.  Soon enough a new elite class will come to the top.

And it won't be you.

And if it IS you....you're neck should be strung up. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:43 | 4977537 TheReplacement
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Life is a democracy.  The mob either does what it wants or it accedes to a ruler(s).  Either way, it is the mob that decides. 

You can sit back and let the mob do whatever it will, you can join it, or you can try to influence it and guide it toward a goal you can accept.  The choice is yours.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:28 | 4976280 boodles
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I'm in.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:49 | 4976854 Zadig
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re: Local ZH chapters that lobby local Congressmen.  "Congressman" are puppets.  They will invariably respond to whatever entity has the most guns, money, or blackmail when something important is at stake.  Those entities are currently Sauron, Oligarchs, and the Nazgul respectively.  They will never be "us" under the current despotism.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:26 | 4977481 TheReplacement
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That is a good idea.  I'll take NH.  zhnh@hush.com for contact.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:53 | 4975053 Harbanger
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The middle of anything is last to go, it defines and strengthens the whole, the middle expels from both ends and outlasts all.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:10 | 4975374 bbq on whitehou...
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Things fall apart when the center does not hold.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:33 | 4975430 Harbanger
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Yes

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:56 | 4977566 Amish Hacker
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And when "The best lack all conviction, while the worst / Are full of passionate intensity..."

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:04 | 4975359 Urban Redneck
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Marx was just couldn't grasp the true utilitarian value of the lumpenproletariat.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:09 | 4975539 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Thanks Urban! I couldn't have said it any worse myself.+100

:)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:54 | 4975492 ArkansasAngie
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Maybe we should call it bankruptcy distribution instead of tax.

The economy is the biggest tax of all.

Screw'em

Moral Hazard.  It is the .01% that are insolvent

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:00 | 4975680 TheGardener
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Germany`s Lumpenproletariat toils away at wages not seen since the fall of the Berlin Wall. Adjusted for purchasing power, wages in middle Germany ( commonly referred to as the East) are well below the socialist subsistence earning
days people had to adjust to. Now pay means shit nothing,
single income just pays the families rent.

Daddy out , the welfare queen gets his equivalent earnings and added benefits. Sorry kids.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:45 | 4975622 TheGardener
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What a f` of an article. No consistency, no argument, no stringent narrative of any sort. Stupid whinging from an entirely absent minded point of view.

Yes there is an obvious obnoxious Lumpenproletariat developing while the destruction of free capitalism is in it`s finals, but none of your arguments Weakarm make the case. None.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:57 | 4974754 max2205
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Invest and lose money gives you a pass on the group beating?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:47 | 4975018 Matt
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If you invest in government bonds, you are a good guy and are A-OK. It's those evil speculators investing in equities that must be punished.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:31 | 4975425 wee-weed up
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Jackboots will continue on necks until morale improves.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:02 | 4974782 yogibear
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Sell rope too. A hot commodity when it occurs.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:27 | 4974923 sessinpo
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yogibear   Sell rope too. A hot commodity when it occurs.

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To who? While the most elite jet off to safer places, the surfs suffer and hang each other in another progapandized war. Congrats. One day you'll figure that out.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:04 | 4975117 Harbanger
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Sell courage instead, it's in high demand, rope will only serve to hang yourself if you can't deal with hardship. Bitchez.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:22 | 4975403 Seer
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+1,000 BUT, wisdom to understand when courage is really required is also needed...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:53 | 4975841 nmewn
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I suppose thats where we're all at.

Many of us have the courage to fight but for what & who? I'm not the least bit interested in fighting for the crackhead on EBT anymore than I am for fighting for the CEO who gets paid in stawk to be taxed at 15%.

Its going to require a complete dismantle.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:03 | 4975872 Raymond K Hessel
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It's weird how we know what to do but don't know where or how to start.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:17 | 4976093 nmewn
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Starting is hard, then its just business with no hard feelings per se, then comes the stopping, before we become what we all hate, thats the hardest part.

There is a thin line (the stopping line) thats different for all of us and anyone who has ever faced death or about to take a life knows what I'm talking about. Without your vengeance tempered with honor & a certain amount of compassion (for the less than guilty) it will all be for nothing.

Starting is hard, covering for your buds that got carried away in the passion of the moment (compromising yourself, your beliefs, your honor) will be hard but you will do it but stopping them (when it comes to it) will be hardest.

Thats the big reason no one wants to go there, we will live with it forever, not everyone can reconcile themselves to that.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:13 | 4976247 Miffed Microbio...
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I don't think starting will be hard when it does start. This is the most frightening part. This will mean all is lost and there is nothing to lose. Right now, for the majority of us, life, family, friends are simply too precious for us to risk. Once gone, choices are clear. I suppose some may lay down and die without response but I know in my heart I will not be in that category. Though I have never been in a position as a soldier, I have been placed in life threatening positions and have always acted.

The key issue I believe is the stopping. Once blood has been spilled it appears the shark feeding frenzy is just too difficult to quench. It never is surgical to the core of the evil, innocents are always killed. It also seems to be a function of how long or/and how brutal the abuse is applied to the population. Pendulums must swing until energy and momentum has waned.

It's funny how nature and the natural world always strives for balance. This must be true for humans. However, with psychopaths continuously demanding more power, capital, wealth and control of others, this can never be possible. Eventually, we must reclaim what is ours from those who have stolen it. Therefore, every day from now to that point is precious.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 05:48 | 4976581 barre-de-rire
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you stay, will & remain in complacency of whatever is inflicted to you for the very simple reason you are all animals, and animals remain tamed as long they get fed.

 

whatever oil price, whaterver taxes, whatever lifestyle decreasing, insecurity, murders, as ni any normal society, as long you get fed, you wont move a nail.

 

you are dominated, & in the very iner of each of you, you recognize but will never have the courage to say loudly that as long you can go & for the less effort possible, why moving & spend energy, why fighting for better ? we are usa we are alreay the best. you think this way, that's why masses is quality decreasing over time, you let a couple of ppl getting money, spoil every one else. yourself you bet your own money on a system you spit on.

 

from this point how you want to get unrest over the place... you are yourself the deposit of the non action.

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:43 | 4976718 Tall Tom
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Small revolutionary acts, collectively, is a continuum of a large Revolutionary act as much as a long term is merely the result of a continuum of short terms.

 

Just what makes you think that we are not acting?

 

Everytime that I buy Gold and Silver and bet against the US Dollar it is a Revolutionary act by rejecting the status quo.

Everytime that I do not vote it is a Revoutionary act by rejecting the status quo.

Everytime that I refuse to do business with a large Multinational Corporation it is a Revolutionary act by rejecting the status quo.

Everytime that I buy local food and reject the GMO crap it is a Revolutionary act by rejecting the status quo.

 

Now perhaps I am just one in 300 Million. I will agree. But when many start to do these small acts collectively the effects of such actions are additive. This affects the Bottom Line profits of the Multinational Corporations and they read it as a loss in profits.

 

ALL WARFARE IS ECONOMIC.

 

Now if you want Fireworks then go ahead and do it. (However I do not believe that fits your agenda...)

 

But our numbers are growing larger by the day. This website, and the corresponding traffic growth is demonstrative of the fact.

 

The fact that this website has been banned from the Bank of America computers is testimony to that.

The fact that this website has been attacked on Friday (most likely by the NSA) is testimony to that.

 

Yes they are concerned. Our numbers are growing. Discontent has been growing. More people will seek answers and they will come here to find them.

 

They have not much longer and neither does your ilk.

 

Enjoy your collapse.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:22 | 4976919 barre-de-rire
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what makes my think u not acting ? you acting, maybe not in the way you should :

you said you against usa by buying gold... you make the economic system working by using it.

you do not need MP to live, neither money, you need axe, saw, bucket, seeds, tissue, gloves & boots, a river and your brain.

 

not voting or voting is same you say.. but some are not corrupted they are the below 5% on the election list, seek for em. they are those who are rejected by the big ones.

( i do not vote neigher, so i dont blame you on that point, but i see in my country some got responses, but system [meaning masse] is not ready to accept to mutate into something they do not know & never seen  in action, masses are scared of change. france is full throttle into the wall coz its inability to accept the change. )

 

about gmo,  whatever you want it or not, go make analysys of what you eat, gmo is everywhere it is too late, delimited fields already with wind & birds  overpassed the limit, gmo is spreading onto nature, it is too late.

 

warefare economic, i +1 on that, this is why factories close to build cheaper elsewhere to get more  money, whatever ppl loosing their job.

question : make a full circle of 5 countries, A B C D E.  A build, sell to BCDE, B can make cheaper, A give to B to build, send to ABCDE. when the process is repeated 5 times and the cheapest on earth has its building cost raising, what happen...? relocalization. time to happen ? in reality ? never be, we are 192, TTIP is about the 28+usa, so 29. BRICS is 5.

how many already used to build stuff ? china is part of brics, in EU most west give east & south outside of europ to build. even china delocalize to africa now !!!!!

no solution. if you shut down globalization,  no need europ, close borders again, ruin the 50 years construction, this is what ppl start to think " it was better  before " in france, germany, UK... those though are, depending the side you are, dangerous, or legitimate. for my part i dont give a shit anylonger, i think this all gonna explode. i watch ZH cos i think this is the US whom will bring europ down too on its own fall cos on  economical war we are same side.

 

dont be wrong about me, i never had usa in my heart, i am french, i try to speak your fabulous langage, universal way of communicating, but on this situation, when i see your governemnt trying to mess seriously in europ to bring back the war because they have no balls to say  " ok we have no more ressources about oil & gaz we loosing power we need to do some things " you are a brutal country historically you are violent people, even if your people  rectify trajectory of your country economically ( good decisions take years to effect ), you have been witnesses of a massive destructuration of the world stability for last  10 years and if the salvation do not come from yourself from within, the world can do nothing, you remain usa & you scare others.

this is, i hope to have been clear enought, what you have to understand.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:06 | 4977590 Miffed Microbio...
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That was well said.

I do not think treading lightly in a burning building is a sign of cowardice but a sign of prudence. When the call to action occurs, I think it will be clear. Only then will we be shown the quality of those we chose to associate. Our own ideals will be put to the test as well.

The only reason I own an iPad is my work banned this site specifically. Even when I showed them I was visiting it on my breaks. It was deemed inappropriate. My husband was so angry he bought me the iPad. They responded by changing the password to the WiFi. My husband had a male meltdown and bought ( in his words) a fucking data plan. So far I am not banned off company property when I post at work so I have won.

When there is such opposition, one realizes one is onto the truth.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:54 | 4976730 gatorboat
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"I don't think starting will be hard when it does start."

I don't see anything starting.   Not from the middle class.  The guts just aren't there.  And the organization isn't there. 

Sorry, but the idea of spontaneous organized uprising just doesn't fly.   Organized doesn't happen spontaneously.

The first American revolution started with a convention of the colonies to draw up a declaration of independence. 

Nothing like that is happening today.  Bad as things are, nothing has been done to plan or organize any sort of uprising.  Lots of talk here about hanging politicians from lamp posts, but nobody has made the first step toward it, nobody even has an idea how it would happen.  98% of the middle class doesn't even know what the govt is doing, and doesn't care.   

The slow agonizing slide into poverty many here believe will spawn a middle class revolt won't happen. It will be sudden, without warning, and it will be the US dollar collapsing, not stocks.

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 01:49 | 4976487 El Crusty
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Stupidity can also be easily mistaken for courage.

stand on the tracks in front of a train and let it run you over to prove that you're really not happy with the cargo that train is carrying? Stupid.

Having the balls to go out to the train tracks and pull out a couple dozen railroad spikes so the train derails all the while knowing that the authorites will come looking for you afterwards? Courage.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:10 | 4977922 RichardParker
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Yeah, "Hope and Change" was another hot item that flew off the shelves back in '08.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:06 | 4974803 Anusocracy
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Monkey revolution or monkey war?

Humans and monkeys share Machiavellian intelligence

Rhesus macaques live in complex societies with strong dominance hierarchies and long-lasting social bonds between female relatives. Individuals constantly compete for high social status and the power that comes with it using ruthless aggression, nepotism, and complex political alliances. Sex, too, can be used for political purposes. The tactics used by monkeys to increase or maintain their power are not much different from those Machiavelli suggested political leaders use during the Renaissance.

Alpha males, who rule the 50 or so macaques in the troop, use threats and violence to hold on to the safest sleeping places, the best food, and access to the females in the group with whom they want to have sex. Like human dictators intent on holding power, dominant monkeys use frequent and unpredictable aggression as an effective form of intimidation. Less powerful members of the rhesus macaque group are marginalized and forced to live on the edges of the group’s area, where they are vulnerable to predator attacks. They must wait for the others to eat first and then have the leftovers; they have sex only when the dominant monkeys are not looking.

“In rhesus society, dominants always travel in business class and subordinates in economy, and if the flight is overbooked, it’s the subordinates who get bumped off the plane,” Maestripieri said. “Social status can make the difference between life and death in human societies too,” he pointed out. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, for instance, the poorer members of the community accounted for most of the hurricane’s death toll.

Struggles for power within a group sometimes culminate in a revolution, in which all members of the most dominant family are suddenly attacked by entire families of subordinates. These revolutions result in drastic changes in the structure of power within rhesus societies, not unlike those occurring following human revolutions. There is one situation, however, in which all of the well-established social structure evaporates: when a group of rhesus macaques confronts another one and monkey warfare begins. Rhesus macaques dislike strangers and will viciously attack their own image in a mirror, thinking it’s a stranger threatening them. When warfare begins, “Even a low-ranking rhesus loner becomes an instant patriot. Every drop of xenophobia in rhesus blood is transformed into fuel for battle,” Maestripieri wrote.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-10/uoc-ham102407.php

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:19 | 4974871 maskone909
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do monkies use deception to achieve their goals?  that would be an interesting study.  because the usa gov is actually much wekaer than the majority class, they must use deception to strike fear in the masses.  only then, can they take our liberties.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:09 | 4975140 r00t61
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I don't know about monkeys, but chimpanzees are our closest genetic cousin, and they do engage in what we would call "deception."

Chimps will feign injury in order to lure in a would-be attacker, with the rest of the tribe waiting to spring an ambush.  Chimpanzees will also create weapons caches to hide rocks and sticks that they will use later.  Conceal carry, anyone?

Chimps will hide their food, even from other chimps in their own tribe.  If they are caught, they will pretend that there is no food.  Chimps will also fake injury - e.g., lamess, coughing - to attract favorable attention, particularly from females. 

Deception in great apes is an area of ongoing study.

Also, this doesn't have anything to do with chimps or deception, but the behavior of the "Mafia birds" is really astounding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brood_parasite

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:27 | 4975215 dexter_morgan
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All animals use deception to achieve their goals. Never had any cats, dogs, fish, etc????

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 18:11 | 4978081 Anusocracy
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According to the article, the females used deception towards the alphas concerning reproduction.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:02 | 4975679 medium giraffe
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Interesting stuff guys, thanks all.  I think our animalistic tendencies can often be decoded by looking at other animals.  I was pretty shocked at the brutality of sparrow behaviour.  Shocking, yet somehow so familiar....

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:49 | 4975826 freewolf7
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I can't blame it on deception.

We KNOW the gov and corporations lie.

We TOLERATE it.

It's TOLERABLE, until it isn't.

Today, it's tolerable, apparently.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:24 | 4975204 Harbanger
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We are not fucking monkeys.  The sooner we understand that the less peeps have to be washed away in our cleansing.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:40 | 4975262 quasimodo
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I certainly hope nobody is fucking monkeys, however I am sure it has happened in this deranged world we live in.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:51 | 4975327 blu
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Don't knock it.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:54 | 4975333 Harbanger
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You're trying to be funny but it's true, our level of depravity has exceeded that of ancient pagans.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:18 | 4975392 Herd Redirectio...
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Did you know Pompeii was  a decadent city of sin?  Many of the 'temples' were basically whorehouses (based on the artwork inside).  So what does that make the 'pilgrims'?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:21 | 4975399 Harbanger
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I don't understand your point.  What's the connection between pompei and US pilgrims?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:24 | 4975936 Jumbotron
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The Mayflower wasn't a state sponsored whorehouse.

How's that for a start asshole ?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:39 | 4976154 Harbanger
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Have no idea WTF you're talking about but let's start from the asshole part and work our way in.  I'm sorry I didn't pick up your comment earlier, I have a life, you know.  You made a very good point.  Please explain Jumbo.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:02 | 4976749 Jumbotron
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Ok.

First of all.....we are pagans.  Even if we do not profess it.  We act as such....therefore we are.  "I think (like a pagan) therefore I am (a pagan)"

So stop with the false dichotomy.

In other words......the situation we are in....the way people are has not changed since The Fall.  You know what I mean.  It's just been dress up now with a "civilized veneer".  It's not state-sponsored whore houses like the Temple "Virgin" cults of Greece and Rome.  It's personalized now....like that Goolge exec who was killed on his yacht.   Mr. "Family Man" with a psychotic hooker who shot 'em up full of dope, in the hopes that he was going to have a drug enhanced bangaroo with a hot, goth hooker he met on a hook up site.

Now he's dead.  On his yacht.  Paid for by advertisers who pay Google a lot of money to entice us to buy useles iShit......so you and I and everyone else can search Google for free porn.

Same paganism.  Just made mainstream....."civilized".... middle class. 

You're a pagan too.  Simply because you worship "Freedom"  and want to fight for it and extol others to fight for it.  We actually have a pagan Goddess to freedom (The Statue of Liberty) welcoming people from abroad on our very shores.  Therefore....when you worship freedom, you by default worship her....the goddess.

If you are a Christian....and I get the sense you are...like me.....then you should know that you cannot serve two masters.  When you place your hand over your heart and give a pledge of allegiance to a flag...with the implicit agreement that you would die for that flag and the country it represents and the "freedom" it stands for......but then you pray to God and give your allegiance to a King......is it any wonder most Christians are as crazy as the pagans.  It's called Cognitive Dissonance.  You have two diametrically opposed ideas in your head and you try to reconcile them everyday.....to no avail.

Just ask yourself....how did we get in the mess in the first place.  Adam & Eve had perfect freedom.  They had free will.  Free choice in a perfect environment.  And they pissed their freedom and our freedom away with a bad, freely made choice.  So much for freedom....eh?   Yet you want to take America back.   To what?   To where ?  How can you change people so they would not abuse their freedoms as enshrined in the Constiution ?  As if the Constitution has any power over people abusing the freedom that it "guarentees ?

You need to GROW up.  If you are Christian....you need to realize you serve a King....not a man made Republic.  You cannot pledge allegiance to a flag and country and kneel before a Lord at the same time.  The freedom you worship as enshrined in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are a hollow sham.  For they cannot do the thing that is ESSENTIAL to preserving freedom and protecting it from the corruptions of man.  Only that King you supposedly worship....that you may raise your hands to.....that you may bend your knee to....every Sunday in church can do that.

Otherwise....you are a pagan too.  Worshiping multiple gods.  Or at least two.  The Freedom Goddess....or the King of the Universe.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 05:13 | 4976567 Tall Tom
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Herd Redirection was NOT writing of US Pilgrims. He was writing of those who had made a pigrimage to go and "worship" at the Temples of Pompei.

 

And the answer to his relevant question is that it made those Pilgrims nothing more than the equivalent of Modern Day Sex Tourists.

 

The point of the question was to demonstrate that depravity was just as endemic in Ancient Ages as it is today.

 

Maybe our depravity is a little more subtle but it is still as depraved.

 

It is no better in Modern Times.

It is no worse in Modern Times.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:02 | 4975354 toady
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Who's this"we"?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:23 | 4975404 Harbanger
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Not sure, probably not you.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:34 | 4977678 oudinot
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We are not moneys, but  our great, great, (add 120,000 greats) grandparents were and we share much genttic history, obviously.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 18:51 | 4978214 RichardParker
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If you wish to understand the origins of human culture, study the great apes, in particular the orangutan:

http://primate.uchicago.edu/2006AJPA.pdf

 

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:30 | 4975232 dexter_morgan
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"The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinese or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks."
~ statement made on August 8, 1945 and quoted in General Patton : A Soldier’s Life by Stanley P. Hirshson, p. 650

While not an astute observer of humankind, he WAS exceptional at killing people and breaking things.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:22 | 4975401 Nick Jihad
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Do you realize what a douche you sound like?  Patton is desribing Russians at a time when they were governed by Stalin, probably second only to Mao as a mass-murderer in all of human history. And yet you snark that Patton was "exceptional" at killing people. What a complete  and utter douche bag.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:56 | 4976038 Calmyourself
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Nick, you must be younger.  There is something quite admirable about a man who uses unvarnished truth, you complain that the truth Patton gives is not representative of something other than his own life and times..  Your standards are nonsensical and indicative of a girly type metro sexual but I could be wrong you could just be a douche.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:13 | 4976231 dexter_morgan
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What a complete  and utter douche bag.

Yes, you certainly are. Back to momma's basement now.

 

You do realize that Stalin was the media darling of his day, don't you? Roosevelt had a big old woodie for him and used to refer to him as 'uncle Joe' .

Have a clue before commenting el doucho.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:27 | 4975415 Seer
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"do monkies use deception to achieve their goals? "

To some degree EVERYTHING does.  That's why there are different shapes -and the ability to change shape- and colors, it all provides for distraction (some for "attraction," but that could also be said to be a form of distraction).

Been saying it for quite some time: nature is about deception and humans are OF nature.

"only then, can they take our liberties."

"They" could care less, it's an issue of retaining POWER.  By default we have subjugated ouselves to a SYSTEM that recognizes "leaders;" we are, therefore, holding our own chains (because we wish to climb up that POWER ladder).

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:25 | 4974913 Spastica Rex
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There was this Enlightenment-era idea that human beings were something more than animals. That was a quaint notion - now we're nothing more than biological automata. Well, the bottom 80% of us, or so.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:41 | 4974989 Anusocracy
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Most of our innate behavior is strongly rooted in the animal world.

The slow evolution away from that is the basis of our somewhat civilized human world.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:13 | 4975161 knukles
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Enlightenment Era.
Birth of some of the worst tripe ever passed off as knowledge.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:29 | 4975229 Harbanger
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Yes, nothing good ever came of it.  That's why we have to get back on the ride again.  The next dark age is going to make the last one look like Disney Land.  I say Lord, fuck the bitchez, again.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:30 | 4975422 Seer
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It helped us learn better ways of deception...  putting on lipstick you could say...

When our resources are more readily depleted (perhaps sooner seeing as our growth-oriented structure will be stopped dead in its tracks) is when we discover that it was the oil that made us look and behave better... (all is well when there's punch in the punch bowl)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:29 | 4975418 bbq on whitehou...
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Being something more then an animal is a choice.
To imagine a better you or better action then that of an
animal. Then carry it out.

If you don't have to make that tough choice to be a better you.
Then you end up doing what animals do.

To recipercate an act of civility allows for civilization to exist. Without the act of civility being returned to you in kind, what do you have? A jungle.

Humans are not animals, but could be and may yet become again.
With all the genetic damage it may just be a matter of time.
Intelligence may just be an anomaly in nature, something that self corrects with time.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:46 | 4976606 barre-de-rire
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agree until you start counting .

 

a 50 group monkeys is simple concept, 7 billions monkey with some harvesting, some cooking, some selling, somewhere else some bushcrafting, some linking 2 previous groups to make trade...

monkey do not have money. monkey do not pay bills.

monkey do not drive car, monkey do not travel around the world in 36h.

 

stay on what is reality, simplifing concept is dangerous. especially when parts of humans are not smarter than some monkeys...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:10 | 4974826 Dr. Engali
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I was thinking body bags would be a good line of business to be in n

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:55 | 4975056 raeb
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I was thinking body bags would be a good line of business to be in n

 

 

 

Perhaps for a short period, then it deteriorates into mass graves.

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