Pentagon Says "Strains Credulity" That Jet Shot Down Without Russian Aid - Live Feed

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While admitting that he has no evidence, Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby offered his opinion in today's press conference:


But still no proof... and then this - *'WE JUST DON'T KNOW' WHO FIRED SA-11 MISSILE AT PLANE: KIRBY

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Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:18 | 4974194 cossack55
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The fuckin' Pentagon strains budgets.  Remember the "5:00 O'clock follies.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:22 | 4974220 john39
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The Pentagram itself strains credulity...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:40 | 4974294 hedgeless_horseman
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Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:46 | 4974334 Pool Shark
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It strains credulity that anyone in this administration would ever tell the truth about anything...



Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:48 | 4974370 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Oh, okay... is that the same Pentagram that shot down Iran Air Flight 655?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:50 | 4974388 pods
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Hey Runmie, where did that 2 TRILLION bucks go?


Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:01 | 4974445 quintago
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But we do know it was an SA-11.

So we know it was in the Ukraine, with a SA-11. Now we just need to figure out the who. I'm guessing the one that appears to have figured out the first 2, probably knows the final piece of the puzzle.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:14 | 4974524 Patriot Eke
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The real question that needs answering is how accurate the following is.  Wouldn't the BUK launcher need radar support and a trained crew?  Didn't the Kiev forces have an entire unit of BUK launchers in the region too?  Which is more likely then?  Was it Russian separatists with a single launcher without radar support or the Kiev military unit of multiple launchers with radar support?  The answer seems pretty simple to me.

"And finally, as RT reported, the national governor of the Donetsk region, Pavel Gubarev, admitted that while the separatists indeed are in possession of one BUK missile unit, it is not operational, and even if it was, it would be unable to reach a height of over 30,000 feet without central radar guidance which the Donetsk region does not have, once again suggesting that a Surface to Air Missile, if indeed one was used, came from the Ukraine side. Surely it will be very easy for international monitors to validate this report."

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:18 | 4974566 bobnoxy
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I think the real question is what do the separatists have to gain by shooting down a civilian airliner? What do the Russians stand to gain by doing that? Now, what does the new puppet government in Ukraine, or the U.S. stand to gain?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:23 | 4974590 fleur de lis
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cui bono?

NWO et al


Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:30 | 4974630 COSMOS
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2 trillion dollars went to buy seaside villas on Mediterranean islands with open concept layouts and granite kitchen counter tops from which to snort the BLOW.  Then the Spanish tile and infinity pool mosaics not to mention stocking the pool full of hookers costs mucho dineros.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:26 | 4974922 Bananamerican
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The British authorities were aware that a German submarine was in the path of the Lusitania, but failed to divert the ship to a safer route.

They also failed to provide a destroyer escort, although destroyers were available in a nearby port.

The ship was ordered to reduce speed in the war zone, for reasons that have been kept secret ever since.

How did such a big ship sink so quickly from a single torpedo strike with no munitions aboard as reported by the British government?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:29 | 4974937 SoilMyselfRotten
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It also strained crdulity that Assad didn't do the gassing.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:31 | 4974639 piratepiet
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Did you consider the possibility the plane was not recognized as civilian ? 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:43 | 4974696 bobnoxy
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Sure, could have been a Ukrainian military plane going from one part of the country to another. At 33,000 feet.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:03 | 4974790 piratepiet
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The people who decided to shoot it did not necessarily spot it that much in advance.  And can military planes not fly at 33 000 feet ? 

I am not saying I know who shot this plane, even if it was shot at all.  But most people here seem to not even want to consider the possibility it was shot by accident.  It has to be some sort of false flag, along the lines of "The CIA must have done it !"  I would call that overinterpretation.   All rooting for war  ? 

I agree that common folks like most of us will never know for sure what really happened in such instances and yes governements and people do lie, but what is most likely ?  A false flag ?  Not in my opinion. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:28 | 4974931 bobnoxy
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Sure a military plane could fly at 33,000 feet. But I doubt it would to go maybe 300 miles at most as that would take it about half way across the entire country. Just guessing there.

Yes, I agree, too many in here look for the nearest conspriacy theory. And I do think it could have been an accidental shooting. Shoot first, ask questions later, especially if you have a new toy.

It's just after all the other wars we started on what turned out to be totally bogus, made up lies masking that we really go to war for profit, it is the default assumption for many of us.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:58 | 4975344 ThisIsBob
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Would a supply ship  be at 30,000 feet, in the destination zone and bumping up against the Russian border?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:46 | 4974709 gcjohns1971
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A BUK-M1 consists of three different vehicles.

1) An Early Warning/ Target Acquisition Radar vehicle - this is the part that tells you what you are firing at.

2) A Transporter Erector Launcher (TEL) This part only fires missiles.

3) A Transporter Erector Launcher And Radar (TELAR) This part paints the targets for itself and the TELs, and it also fires missiles.


The photos of their 'BUK" the Separitists posted last month were pictures of a TELAR.  If the TELAR didn't have access to its Early Warning/Target Acquisition Radar it would not be able to differentiate between enemy and friendly - THAT IS WHAT THAT RADAR IS FOR.

But decide for yourself.  Just do a search.  There are lots of pictures of the TELAR vehicle in the BUK-M1 system on the internet. Find one and then compare with the Separatist postings from last month.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:05 | 4975528 Sirius Wonderblast
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The fact is, even at 33000 ft, from the ground,by eye, twin engine airliners look a lot different from the 4 engine strategic bombers that Ukraine doesn't have. Furthermore, they have transponders so everyone knows they're civilian. And, being jets, they leave contrails  that the turbo prop bomberrs wouldn't. So, quite an east mistake to make, really.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:00 | 4975684 Razor_Edge
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Sorry, prop engines leave contrails too.....formed by hot exhaust gases into freezing ambient temps.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 02:55 | 4976507 conscious being
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Quintago - Could have been a bomb!!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:18 | 4974563 RafterManFMJ
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To finish the DUMBs.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:50 | 4974379 SWRichmond
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This, coming from a government that has openly declared it has the right to kill anyone it unilaterally declares to be an enemy of the state, anywhere on the planet.  Talk about "straining credulity"...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:36 | 4974301 Son of Captain Nemo
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The Pentagram itself strains credulity...

That "pentagram" and the Navy piece-of-shit mouth piece that is lying for them will be straining more than "credulity" when a few hundred Bulavas fly up his and everyone elses ass in the Continental United States experiencing it's first all year round winter "ever" -should they be allowed to take it to that extreme!

Self-loathing at being an American doesn't begin to capture the essence of this ultimate of manufactured crisis of our own choosing.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:48 | 4974371 Sandmann
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USS Vincennes needed no Russian help to down an Iranian airliner.........

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:03 | 4974473 Son of Captain Nemo
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So true.

But that was 1988 and we've had quite a lot of self-inflicted gunshot wounds over the past 25 years in the policy making arena.  Just ask the guys that keep coming home on their PTSD meds?!!!

Think "Maverick" and "Goose" need a rest, and i'm almost as certain the ones with half a brain will tell you so themselves given the challenge we're now creating for ourselves given the opponent.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:54 | 4975259 bitterwolf
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Self-hater or non-american ,you are deluding yourself ,"challenge of opponent",pray tell ,who is this opponent that can prevent the pentagram from freedom of manuever ,that is shaping the battlefield to their advantage vs. the western elites's?

Percieved moral highground is a poor tactical/strategic advantage in this very old game. I would suggest WILL to fight coupled with unlimited CASH and other worldly TECHNOLOGICAL advantage.


Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:17 | 4975180 Abbie Normal
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...and both the CO and the Weapons Officer received medals for their acts.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:39 | 4974318 Anusocracy
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The Pentagon is full of shit and strains on the toilet.

Too much life of luxury.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:49 | 4974378 Sandmann
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The Pentagon even has a landing zone for civilian airliners but cannot reveal details

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:26 | 4974604 fleur de lis
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The Pentagram is jam packed wall to wall full of unAmerican sissies. All they are good for is huffing and puffing, and collecting big paychecks for nothing, and getting everybody else killed.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:05 | 4974484 my_nym
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The whole Kabbalistic System Inc. of the cabal has always strained credulity: 

Ships are sunk IN ORDER TO HAVE SHIPS SUNK. When ships are sunk, there is a greater demand for new ships. The sinking augments the MARKET for new ships. More ships are wanted because more ships have been destroyed. And LOAN CAPITAL, usurer’s capital, money made by a stroke of the banker’s pen is wanted for FINANCING new construction. Arabs are murdered to keep things lively. Cities are destroyed IN ORDER that cities may be destroyed. The frontier means nothing to the financier. The MORE houses fall on BOTH sides of the frontiers, the more loan-capital will be wanted so long as the usurocrat system endures; so long as the usurocrat system endures, the more loan capital will be required to finance reconstruction. The more simple people are ruined, the more bankruptcies, the more bankrupt concerns can be snapped up cheap by the owners of loan capital. Has NO one ever examined the reconstruction period, the period after the American Civil War? from this angle?

With race or without race, examine it. The more energy goes into destroying goods, the less will go into making them. The more energy goes into goods intended for immediate destruction, the less will go into goods made for USE. The faster you destroy goods, the faster superfluous money will mount up, unless you employ a Gesellite or similar mechanism to destroy the money as fast as the goods are blown to hell or sunk in the oceans. Without Gesell that means inflation; i.e. a dollar worth ten cents worth of potatoes.

Debt is already upon you. Some of you know that. But 99% of you don’t see that the DEFLATION, the contraction of the currency, is already PLANNED. That the same banking houses that have worked the wheeze four times and more times are already waiting their moment to spring.

If there is a sane man or an honest man left in America, let him get out a new edition of the Bankers Conspiracy. .....

Iran or Persia had mentioned wanting to control its own banking and currency. The light of hither Asia? Perhaps.

On June 19, 1934 a gent, now I believe in jail in the U.S.A., wrote me from Ashville, after professing disinterest in European personalities as follows:

The working out of the problems of America is exactly along the policy of constructively eliminating the power of money as money (it is absurd that the medium of exchange should have value in itself); scrapping the banking system and the international warplots; and installing a currency which will provide an equal balance between the capacity of industry to produce and the ability of the public to buy.

If that be treason, go to it. My correspondent continued:

It is as simple as this, but will not be accomplished until the present time worn system, capitalized upon by the Rothschilds, Ginsbergs, Sassoons, Warburgs, etc., in their century-long plot (already fighting among themselves for the loot) collapses of its own worthlessness.

My correspondent believed in the American Constitution, and mistrusted Jefferson, retrospectively. The ideal political prisoner, I suppose. And the Commonwealth Party. What is it? Is it a real party? Does it stand for the just price and the homestead, or is it just another fake opposition set up and financed by the financiers? ....

There is manifestly no freedom without economic freedom. Freedom to keep out of debt.  

Ezra Pound

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:37 | 4974665 a growing concern
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It also strains credulity that a bunch of cave dwelling mujahideen with minimal flight training penetrated the most secure airspace in the world and pulled off a perfect descending corkscrew turn to impact the exact spot in the Pentagon where the audit team was meeting to discuss the missing trillions of dollars that had been admitted to the previous day, leaving a perfect missile shaped hole in the wall with zero airplane debris, and having no video of the event ever made available publicly. But you don't hear us bitching about that, do you?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:53 | 4974733 Osmium
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Don't forget about bodies and luggage.  Wait, I forgot.  All that stuff just vaporized at impact.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:52 | 4975486 logicalman
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But a passport survived!

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:26 | 4976696 Idaho potato head
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While admitting he has no evidence ....... Nuff said?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:23 | 4974226 NemoDeNovo
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We really are in LaLa Land now, I mean this shit is so freakin' surreal I no longer have words to describe this Orweillian nightmare.


Bring on the collapse!!!!!!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:34 | 4974289 McMolotov
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Yes, I remember a few years ago when Geoff Morrell — formerly of ABC — was the Pentagon press secretary. But he has since moved on to BP. Wonder where Kirby will end up after his stint.

The rabbit hole is bottomless.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:23 | 4974234 junction
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Obama has ordered the removal of the desk message plate on his desk in the Oval Office that says "THE BUCK STOPS HERE."  Too close to THE BUK STOPS HERE.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:20 | 4974199 Thought Processor
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Spin it boys...........

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:23 | 4974235 Ignatius
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The Pentagon is now getting in on the propaganda fun?

This is just plain 'piling on', as I see it.

Next Headline:  Four legs good, two legs better.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:20 | 4974205 magpie
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This will end exactly like the gas attacks in Syria by the US-allied rebels.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:20 | 4974206 czarangelus
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We might not know who shot down the airliner, but we sure as fuck know who levelled whole neighborhoods in Slavyansk with artillery.

Fuck the selective outrages of the media.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:20 | 4974210 souljaboy
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BREAKING: Shots fired by rebels at international team of investigators (OSCE) in Ukraine as they approach plane wreckage, via @KiritRadia

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:27 | 4974616 Coletrane
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perfect honeypot

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:21 | 4974212 TabakLover
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Sorry to ask again, does all ths Russia blaming keep the gas flowing to Ukraine and or Europe this winter?  Unless we are planning on invading Russia to get the gas.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:23 | 4974227 john39
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the elites will have heat, that is all...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:36 | 4974300 FeralSerf
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After the bankers get the frozen corpses evicted from their former homes, the heat will come back on and they'll live happily ever after.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:04 | 4974794 bitterwolf
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Everyone has their role to play, and elites have stand ins to take heat,become patsy...always...

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