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Russian Sanctions Retaliation Escalates: Dumps Intel/AMD And Now Foreign Cars

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Ignoring for one second yesterday disastrous air crash in Ukraine, the 'boomerang' of sanctions continues to be thrown back and forth between the US and Russia. Having restricted Russian firm's access to USD funding, Putin has come out swinging. His first act was to demand that state departments and state-run companies will no longer purchase PCs built around Intel or AMD processors (which might explain AMD's slashing their outlook); but now he has hit out at the heart of what has made America great (in the eyes of some) - banning the use of foreign cars for officials in favour of home-produced cars.

 

 

As Engadget reported recently,

Russia's policy on Western technology is clear: The country can live without it, especially if key issues like economic sanctions, NSA spying and GPS cooperation aren't resolved to its leader's satisfaction. It looks like this tough stance extends to US-designed computer chips too, as a Russian business newspaper is reporting that state departments and state-run companies will no longer purchase PCs built around Intel or AMD processors. Instead, starting in 2015, the government will order up to one million devices annually based on the "Baikal" processor, which is manufactured by a domestic company called T-Platforms. An interesting twist, however, is that the Baikal processor is actually based on an ARM (Cortex-A57) design, which means the East / West divorce isn't quite as complete as it might sound. It could also mean that many Russian bureaucrats won't get the chance to be a Mac or a PC: they'll have to use some sort of ARM-compatible, presumably Linux-based operating system instead.

And now Putin has gone after the auto sector... (via Reuters)

Top Russian officials may soon forfeit the sleek black Mercedes limousines that speed them through the Kremlin gates in favour of home-produced cars as part of a push to protect domestic industry threatened by Western sanctions over Ukraine.

 

Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said he had signed an order limiting purchase of imported cars for state and municipal officials - a move in line with Vladimir Putin's bid to increase self-reliance from engineering to defence, but carrying more symbolic than commercial importance.

 

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To address the concerns, domestic producers Sollers , Kamaz and GAZ have been asked to design a car for government officials by the end of the year under a project known as "Cortege".

 

"We have drafted a resolution that bans the state and municipal purchase of certain types of foreign-made equipment and vehicles, notably such conspicuous issues as the purchase of vehicles for officials," the government's website quoted Medvedev as telling deputy ministers at a meeting on Monday.

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As Putin recently opined, the boomerangs are coming home...

“The US is certainly one of the world’s leaders. At some point it seemed that it was the only leader and a uni-polar system was in place. Today it appears that is not the case. Everything in the world is interdependent and once you try to punish someone, in the end you will cut off your nose to spite your face,” he said.

 

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Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:51 | 4975661 90's Child
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I blame the Jews.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:13 | 4975715 Fuku Ben
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I blame the Palestinians

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:23 | 4975722 Pladizow
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I blame dumb fucks: see above commenters!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:25 | 4975753 ACP
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This "retaliation" sounds about as effective as 0bombya's "enhanced" sanctions.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:37 | 4975790 Jack Napier
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I blame Putin for being such a badass. Some leaders lead. Some bleed. In the US we just bleat.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:54 | 4975845 MeMadMax
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This isn't new for russia. 

 

They used to make cheap intel knockoffs or their own chips years ago.

 

China stopped buying US chips back in 2012 and they are building their own ARM based chip as well...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:32 | 4975958 Bananamerican
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Leave it to the "commies" to unplug from the Matrix 1st...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:34 | 4976597 Sirius Wonderblast
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That, surely, would be to their eternal credit?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:38 | 4976598 Sirius Wonderblast
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Sorry, accidental double post - GCHQ having a look perthaps?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:31 | 4975765 bbq on whitehou...
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Im waiting to see who will blame China.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:40 | 4975804 90's Child
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Racist.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:59 | 4975838 MsCreant
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Do dumbfucks have their own organization now? Or are they covered by the ACLU?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:33 | 4975962 Bananamerican
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Easy Ms...remember, true ZH sarc often comes without a sarc tag...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:20 | 4976100 90's Child
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+1

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:08 | 4976230 0b1knob
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"Linux based operating system..."

Open source without the one thousand and one back doors built into MightGrowSoft OS.   Smart move on the Russkies part.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:16 | 4975725 MFL8240
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Not fair to blame the Jews, you need to blame the Jews who have run the Federal Reserve, the Treasury and the banking cartel.  That is where the target needs to be for all people.  The Jewish people as a whole are wonderful hard working and honest people.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:37 | 4975789 Omen IV
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long before the Jews came into the power structure in the mid 60's - the same game was being played since the spanish american war - after which  - the central american proving grounds perfected the systems for covert operations

read: The Banana Man - a Ukranian Jew based in New Orleans who went after the Banana business of United Fruit and then merged with them  -  he then gave personal instruction to John Foster Dulles and his Brother on covert operations which they adopted when they were the Board of United Fruit - the first Jew on a major Brahman Wasp Board

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 02:12 | 4976489 conscious being
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Just to complete the tail / expose the Hydra, Papa Bush was running UF.  Ethnic cleansing in places like Guatemala to make way fir moar bananas.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:40 | 4975802 Rootin' for Putin
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Oh please, everyone has blamed the jews for thousands of years.  That cant be coincidence.  They should learn to stop pissing people off.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 04:53 | 4976555 barre-de-rire
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just see how they react to get the truth.... when israel send missiles, 500 deads, 200 childs.... when palestine send rocket,.... only 1 dead.

the land military attac ksince 2 days is just because of the 1 civilian dead on isreal...

 

lead to thinking they think theyr are 500 times better than their neightbours... i dont see why we talk about this... just let them kill each others like arabs over this futur nuke target part of the world.

this is how this will finish, as soon their land while have no more ressources to offer....

 

look africa, seriously... you think those people would be allowed to move all around the world if their land was empty of ressources ..? come'on...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 18:59 | 4978239 TheSecondLaw
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I worked in Israel for some time years ago and the racism I encountered there towards any person who was "non-Jewish" was frightening.  Israelis don't dislike... they hate.  One has to appreciate the irony of a people who present themselves to the world as the eternally persecuted, subjecting another people to an concentration/extermination camp as is Gaza. You reap what you sow. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:13 | 4976084 Kirk2NCC1701
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As my Jewish and Israeli friends have pointed out long ago, an intelligent and rational mind can and will differentiate between Judaism (as a faith and culture), and Global Zionism (as a political and quasi-secular ideology).  They are overlapping but different worldviews.

Even in "Zionism" there are two basic forms:  the National Zionism (homeland for Jewish people), and Global/International Zionism.  The latter has visions and ambitions to rule the world, via a hierarchy of leveraged controls, that encompass all places and avenues of power, wealth and influence.  The thing is that most of Judaism has been hijacked by Global Zionism.

For these reasons, I prefer to use technically-correct language, and refer to Global Zionists as the malaise that has infected most of sociopolitical leadership in North America and to a slightly lesser extent in the EU.  Sloppy use of the incorrect term (too broad a paint brush) leads to nonproductive talks that only serve the Zionists:  "See, unless you stick with us, they will always persecute you".  It's a perfect tool to get the Jews to "circle the wagons", by periodically introducing contrived external threats.

p.s. If you think about it (and I've said this before), what is even more troubling, is how OUR (Western, "Christian") leadership in Church and State have failed their populace, by freely handing over the reigns of power and influence to an invasive culture that never truly assimilated.  The true blame (and consequences!) lies squarely at the feet of our weak, short-sighted and treasonous leaders:  Whereas the "Jews" at least look after their own, and you don't see Jews fighting/killing Jews (outside the boardroom), our fake Christian leaders have been acting like whores (Shabbos Goy) for the last 2-3 centuries.  If we're honest about it.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 02:03 | 4979077 matrix2012
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Thanks Kirk for the brief clarification! I use your concise exposition to explains to the many sheep I'm linked to about their differences.

Hopefully all sane ZH readers who read your post will use the precisely correct term in their references from now on!!!

 

ps: i keep a special note of this ref so i won't ever miss it :-)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:23 | 4976112 F0ster
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I agree many of my closest trusted friends and work colleagues are Jewish. However there is an insidious network of very VERY bad self serving Jews who by colluding for ultimate self preservation leading to domination have gone way WAY too far. Time for the good Jews to break some bread with their bad relatives at the breakfast table and enlighten them to the global damage their doing to the tribe and us loly Gentiles.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:38 | 4975797 ParaZite
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If we are going to blame someone, let's look to the real culprits!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:34 | 4975961 Jumbotron
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One thing to understand about the ARM CPU IP.  It's just that.  IP.  You can license the IP and build your very own CPU which utilizes the ARM IP.  You can search that IP and scrub it anyway you wish if there is some danger of backdoors.

Qualcom does this with their Krait CPU.  It's homegrown...but it uses the ARM IP as a base and then they add and subtract their own features.  But it's still compatible with the ARM ecosystem.

This will hurt AMD but it's going to bite Intel REALLY bad.  They are already under the gun since the world is moving to ARM as the new paradigm of computing platform......think iGadgets, wearable tech, the Internet of Things, phones, tablets, in car entertainment....the list goes on and on.

Intel is being marginalized in a way they have never seen before.  Now comes ARM into the server space and even desktop supercomputing.  Part of it is energy savings.  A LARGE part of it is the ARM IP which you can customize to meet your very narrow needs instead of buying a large, monolithic and power hungry CPU like Intel or AMD.

And Putin knows this. 

America....Obama.....here comes you boomarang.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:50 | 4976014 Moccasin
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I love it! ARM IP is just what I have been looking for! Thank you for the insight.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:02 | 4976054 Jumbotron
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Here's the amazing thing about ARM.  SO....these British engineers were trying to make their own CPU back in the 80's for the Acorn computer.  One night....they were tweaking the setting on the CPU trying to get it down to the lowest level of voltage needed for stable computing.  They kept lowering the voltage down to the point they were getting skeptical about whether or not it would do a compute cycle at all.  So....they were going to leave and they pulled the power from their test motherboard.  And then they noticed on their scope that the thing was still computing...full compute cycles.....on just the residual power left in the the capacitors on the motherboard itself even though main power had been pulled.  And it did so for several minutes until the capacitors finally drained away.

Here's some more info if you are interested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture

 

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:51 | 4975662 THX 1178
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currency wars become trade wars become hot wars

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:19 | 4975743 Fuku Ben
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Don't remind me. I'm feeling enough heat already from this hot nukular reactor right around the corner

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:06 | 4975880 chunga
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If you're really right around the corner from a hot nukular reactor you should get away from there right away.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:52 | 4976188 BigJim
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Neutrons. It's what's for dinner.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:51 | 4975663 buzzsaw99
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lame. i was hoping for a trade war with china.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:57 | 4975676 SheepDog-One
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Same thing.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:06 | 4975696 BlindMonkey
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They can attack each other with paper airplanes made out of the useless Letters of Credit.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:20 | 4975740 Yen Cross
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   Cheap Imports, come from Mexico and Central America.

   Insurance is expensive though. The premiums on: rape, theft, extortion, are skyrocketing...

 

  Kinda like 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:22 | 4975744 buzzsaw99
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broke dick immigrants come from Mexico and Central America.

 

fixed it. ;)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:50 | 4975832 Yen Cross
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     Ouch! Need moar .gov Viagra.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:52 | 4975665 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Since the average citizen of most develope countries has more in common with each other than they do with their leaders, I wish all of these politicians and bankers, etc would just get into a ring somewhere, throw them some medieval gladiator type weapons, and let them hash it out amongst themselves without dragging the rest of us into this mess.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:09 | 4975674 NOTaREALmerican
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Nice idea,  but in a world inhabited by humans the dumbasses send their children into the ring because they believe the bullshit about slow-motion eagles and flags.

It's our brains,   we can't do anything about the bullshit our brains believe and create. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:34 | 4975963 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Ya I know. John Kerry is the most infuriating to watch. I've seen his testimony before congress about 'how can you ask someone to be the last one to for for a mistake' talking about how fucked up it is to keep sending draftees over to Vietnam to kill or get killed after we've already announced our intentions to withdraw over the course of a couple years. To hear him promote out foreign policy which does the exact same thing blows my mind. It wasn't cool when it was him getting sent off to get shot at, but since it's someone else I guess it's ok. And not one single person will ever call him out or question him on it.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:58 | 4975669 NOTaREALmerican
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Banning foreign cars?    This guy isn't much of a chess player.   Cars are BLING.   NOTHING is more important than bling.    

Dude,  EPIC fail.   

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:42 | 4975808 ACP
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They'll find a way to get around any restrictions. Not one of these corrupt Russian politicians wants to put one of their fancy blue lights on a shitty Russian car.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:35 | 4975965 Urban Redneck
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Yeah but is the Russian government buying any .gov motors UAW crap cars right now?

The car thing would seem to be more directed at Frau Ferkel and her continued fetish for bending over for Barry...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:48 | 4976005 ACP
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Here's the kicker...neither German nor American cars are the biggest foreign brand.

After the Russian Lada POS, the biggest sellers are Renault, Kia and Hyundai.

But the corrupt Russian politicos all own BMWs and Mercedes, and will most likely not give them up.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 08:56 | 4976665 demoses
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Once Germany joins Brics the cars will follow :)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 04:57 | 4976557 barre-de-rire
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i want to see your dodge or cadillac when -50° celcius , see how your brand manage to run into such frozenshithole.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:55 | 4975673 Falling Down
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GM is al-...

 

Er, nevermind...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:16 | 4975726 Peter Pan
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I thought you were going to say that GM has already recalled sales made to Russia.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:18 | 4975733 hobopants
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Little does he know that our companies don't actually have to produce anything to maintain their stock value...who needs investment when you have a printing press.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:40 | 4975801 TeamDepends
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Are hobopants worn by the male AND the female?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:49 | 4975829 MsCreant
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You got it wrong, it's the way they breathe...in little, tiny, pants, that come in ever shorter gasps...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:58 | 4975852 TeamDepends
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Oh, baby(hobo)!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:55 | 4975675 TeamDepends
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Baby you can't drive my car
Yes you gonna be a star
I'm back in the USSR

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:34 | 4975779 RaceToTheBottom
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Catbox

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:58 | 4975677 EscapeKey
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ARM are catching up, but x86/64 are still miles ahead.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:00 | 4975681 Peter Pan
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There is only one boomerang in my mind that will give the USA much to think about and that is Russia selling US bonds to buy gold in large quantities. If the other BRICS join him, this will surely bring the USA to her senses although admittedly this option may well bring on the equivalent of nuclear winter.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:03 | 4975682 Ignorance is bliss
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WTF...Putin. Those computer systems are manufactured in China. Those Ameri_can cars are manufactured in Asia as well. So is Russia at war with China? Sorry Putin the U.S. does not produce anything anymore. The only thing American about computers and cars are the label. No doubt Obama is laughing his ass off in Detroit.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:05 | 4975695 NOTaREALmerican
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He might be a good chess player but in other games he doesn't seem to have-down that concept of thinking a few moves ahead.  

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:14 | 4975717 ebworthen
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We don't make much anymore, but no AMD or Intel means no Dell, no ASUS/Acer (Taiwan), no HP. 

It will slow Chinese production some, but will really hurt U.S. company sales of servers/desktops/laptops.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:36 | 4975787 seek
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If I recall correctly, Russia is Intel's 4th largest market, after China, the US, and Brazil. Not massive but enough to wipe out any prospects for growth (not that there were a lot to begin with).

I doubt they'd go with VIA, since their CPUs are pretty under-powered and VIA can't spin up performance or capacity fast enough to meet demand. Most likely they'll just import through a different country short term and then  go with some ARM variant, especially out of China or even domestically licensed long term...So positive for ARM.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:10 | 4975891 chunga
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So if I have this figured out that means Intel stock should go way up, right?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:52 | 4976022 Urban Redneck
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Perhaps Samsung should quickly rethink their ARM server chips plans...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:40 | 4975803 RaiZH
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"The only thing American about computers and cars are the label." and the profits. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:03 | 4975692 NoWayJose
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PCs and cars are chump change. Banning Exxon and US oil drilling equipment is where the big bucks are.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:49 | 4975825 emersonreturn
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RT chatted a bit about rosneft and exxon and said that exxon would be able to continue with the deals signed.  apparently it affects the loans, and russian oil for the present is well financed.  so...it appears business at least oil business proceeds as per usual.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:05 | 4975694 Seasmoke
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C'mon Vlad, Just stop the flow to Europe !!!!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:06 | 4975698 Son of Captain Nemo
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Yeah...

if I were them given what they've done to my closest relative that lives next door who has family members killed because of them and 400,000 fleeing to me for "protection" and safety....

I actually should be doing a hell of lot more to them than just reciprocal trade embargos at this stage!

In the meantime... Keep the typewriters typin until I can get my OC-768/Gig Ethernet trunks in place to my "partners" !!!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:07 | 4975699 Rican
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Hopefully Russia doesn't cut off their pipeline of porn, or the average US male will begin caring.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:12 | 4975708 NOTaREALmerican
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Could happen.  Vlads are real family-values kinda guy:  no swearing, no gays...  I bet he's got strong views on foricating-harlots. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:14 | 4975718 DIgnified
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Found the HuffPost fan. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:46 | 4975814 MsCreant
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He loves fornicating-harlots. He left his wife for an Olympic rhythmic gymnast he was having an affair with. She is now in his government.

http://tabloidmadness.com/BreakingNews/hot-news/putin-s-mistress-opens-w...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:27 | 4975935 Kirk2NCC1701
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They were married for a long time... kids grown, empty nesters.  Time to figure out how and with whom you want to spend the rest of your life.  True for many millions of people.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 06:54 | 4976611 WTFUD
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Why not boogy to the rhythm if you wanna get down, on it?

Hickory dickory dock
A skunk ran up j yellen's frock
The cunt screamed fuck
The skunk threw up.
Hickory dickory dock.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:52 | 4975835 Yen Cross
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  I prefer German porn.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:00 | 4975861 Postal
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Ja! All kinds of public nudity. :D And we won't talk about... well, the other stuff.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:36 | 4975970 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yes, like Vivian Schmitt, instead of Angie dancing the Koulouri, as seen on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2yjhau66lM

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:01 | 4975869 Postal
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I'm not average... Anyway, I'm always on here lamenting the potential loss of Eastern European lez porn.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:05 | 4975701 medium giraffe
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If you give the political posturing enough time, it will always decend into absurdity (if not immediately).  Putin's comments are just a gentle reminder that they are all sociopathic loons.  I'm not sure that isolationism really helps anyone, tbh.

 

Edit:  Downvoters, do you think that Putin is not a sociopathic loon?  I'm intrigued.  I would have thought 'Sociopathic loon' would have come fairly high up on the list of requirements for the top job at the KGB, no?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:11 | 4975703 magnetosphere
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china has built a supercomputer using indigenous processor technology

http://www.top500.org/system/177447

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:49 | 4976012 Urban Redneck
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And the EU builds supercomputers based on ARM processors...

http://www.montblanc-project.eu/

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:11 | 4975704 ebworthen
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Bullish for VIA Technologies - the only other producer of processors for P.C.'s.

Not a lot of horsepower but low wattage use and will get the job done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Technologies

Quad core "Isaiah II" on deck:

http://liliputing.com/2014/07/report-vias-quad-core-64-bit-isaiah-ii-chip-coming-summer.html

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:13 | 4975711 Racer
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Tell me again, who got a PEACE prize?

not the Great o'BOMBer ?

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:14 | 4975719 NOTaREALmerican
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Vlad and Bronco will share the next one.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:16 | 4975723 potato
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Predictably, some cheerleaders ZH see this as positive. However, it's a pretty stupid move.  Trade benefits all who willingly partake, and such central-planning moves short circuit efficient economic planning. The aforementioned publicity stunts are far from important, but the idea itself is wrong-headed. See the elementary economic example of Robinson Cruse and Friday trading on an island to understand comparative advantage.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:05 | 4975879 Postal
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Who the fuck is "Robinson Cruse"? Is he related to Tom?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:20 | 4975742 MFL8240
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Real simple, who would you rather run your country?  A man who loves his country or one who hates his country!  That is the entire picture.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:23 | 4975745 flapdoodle
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x86/64 is an *ancient*, clunky architecture which is popular only because of the sheeple zombies couldn't drag themselves away from Microsoft the last two  decades so the big boys stayed with x86/64 even as they cut die size to insanely small values (increasing density and lowering power consumption in the process).RISC and more modern designs are much more efficient, hence the same size die that is NON x86/64 is likely to be quite a bit faster as the code is probably much more efficient for a given application...

Now that Microsoft's past has caught up with them and turned its main product into such a piece of shit that even fanbois notice the smell, linux day has come, hiding underneath Android.

Even though Intel/AMD may have the *smallest* dies, the rest of the pack that were also rans previously are not far behind. Samsung, the Chinese (loongson,rockchip,allwin), even the Indians (mediatek) build really decent parts, some are on their sixth generation.

The sad truth is that Intel is also looking at a bleak future, not just AMD, as desktop sales, and even laptop sales, are a losing proposition. Intel has successfully talked Samsung into letting them supply Atom based tablet processors (new 10" 3rd generation Samsung Tablet uses Intel), but this is turning into a really crowded market racing to the bottom and the whole tablet costs less than what Intel used to charge for a mid-range CPU.

So, this may be symbolic

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:43 | 4975786 magnetosphere
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posted above, china already has a homegrown supercomputer, but probably limited software can run on it.  do you think they can compete with intel, on what time frame?  or is ARM better?

edit: mediatek is taiwan, not india

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:39 | 4975799 mijev
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It's definitely time for a new operating system but I'm not sure linux is the answer. It's a 40+ year old lab creation antique that doesn't cut it for things like recording multi track music. The advantages are ubiquity and open source which are both cool but that's about it. Efficiency and real time aren't a part of it. Perhaps someone will write an operating system from scratch that matches the innovations in hardware and apps.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:14 | 4975901 potato
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Every startup in silicon valley uses a Unix shell to pump code to github, fork repositories, publish on amazon Web services, etc. Command line is alive and well.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:52 | 4976021 Postal
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First, "Linux" is not 40+ years old. Linus didn't port Unix until the early 90's.

Second, I can do shit with a one-line command in a Bash shell that you can't even fucking do in Windows.

Last, Linux doesn't have to deal with MS bloatware, so it's insanely effecient. I'm typing this using a 7 year old laptop with OpenSuSE and my gaming box is a 5 year old desktop, also with OpenSuSE. Boxes that can no longer even run Windows.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:27 | 4976120 mijev
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Agreed i should have said "based on" a 40+ year design. Why aren't there any good multi track recording apps for linux?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:40 | 4976159 Postal
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Linux is the geek version of prepping: If you want an app, go write one. Or hire someone. Or try to get a kickstarter fund.

Whether it's the various distros (OpenSuSE, etc.) applications (LibreOffice, Firestorm, etc.) or special projects (Octave, etc.), it's all about self-sufficiency and being a self-starter.

I'm sure a good-quality, multi-track recording application would be welcome addition to the open-source community; however, it is not somebody else's responsibility to provide one just for your convenience.

Since you identified the problem, I nominate you to lead in it's fixing. ;)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:38 | 4976932 mijev
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Many people have tried and you can still download a few. But none have succeeded. It's not a big deal to write such apps. There are open source recording apps for all other OS platforms but no one has succeeded in migrating one of those programs. Which leads to the question of real time apps and efficiency. I've tried the available recording apps on Android and ubuntu and they can't handle more than a single digit number of tracks before timing issues set in, whereas for windows and Mac etc an average PC can handle 32-64+ tracks deoending on the age of the hardware. Ipad recording apps typically can use 12 tracks or more but the screen size is probably the biggest limitation. I'm guessing Apple solved the problem because they modded the kernel and they control the hardware. Two track, cross platform programs like audacity run pretty well but as soon as you increase the load, it starts to get iffy. Windows is actually a better platform than OSX in terms of offerings and efficiency although pre-OSX Apple was the king.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:48 | 4977374 Jumbotron
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"Agreed i should have said "based on" a 40+ year design. Why aren't there any good multi track recording apps for linux?"

Here ya' go.

http://ardour.org/

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 20:24 | 4978490 mijev
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Thanks. I tried Ardour last year and it just doesn't handle as well as on windows. Then again I didn't try it out too much because its interface was a bit annoying but that's not a linux issue.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:06 | 4976043 flapdoodle
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A not-perfect but none-the-less great paradigm for thinking about operating systems is to think of OS based on the UNIX concept (e.g. linux, BSD Unix and lower parts of MacOS) is that UNIX/linux etc have an internal skeleton (kernel) to which are attached the organs (applications) necessary to support the organism, while primative, older OS designs such as Microsoft (harking back to CP/M, but updated with Cutler's VMS, another dinosaur), have an exoskeleton. As a result, the Microsoft organism, like a cockroach or a snake, has to "molt" from time to time and shed its skin when they become too bloated, hence the infamous versions of Windows.

The original ATT kernel could be made to run with an executable of something absurdly small like 10k bytes on a lower end PDP-11, if memory serves. Its basic design is tried and proven over the years even as the applications that are attached to the kernel have become sophisticated enough to support a cellphone or a multiprocessor/multithreaded supercomputer cluster node, with basically the same kernel (if different architectures, ARM or x86/64, but even that isn't written in stone)

Any "modern" OS that is to replace linux/UNIX will still have to choose, one way or another, whether to put the real smarts in the applications or within the OS. Recall that at one point it sounded like Microsoft was actually building Internet Explorer into the OS - imagine what a mess that would have been.

Just because something is old doesn't mean the design can easily be improved upon, at least not without a major paradigm shift to go along with it like non-binary architectures and/or quantum computing based built with optical devices or something equally off the wall...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:16 | 4976092 COSMOS
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Nice explanation flappers, you are one cool dude.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:29 | 4975760 BadDog
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I'm waiting for the big one.  Russian energy sales denominated in non-dollars only.  Yuan, Rubles, Euros, Gold, anything except the buck.  That will be when we've arrived at the jumping off point.  Beyond there be dragons.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:54 | 4976028 Wahooo
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Russian energy denominated in Russian computer chips.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:33 | 4975772 RaceToTheBottom
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Good for Unix and its variants

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:37 | 4975788 RaceToTheBottom
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If the Putin really wanted to stop the main US export, he should have stopped any trade using US Fed Reserve Notes

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:13 | 4975898 narlah
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I think he is getting there ... - holy grail gas deal , bric bank ...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:02 | 4976052 PeakOil
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Gold. For. Oil.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:37 | 4975794 syntaxterror
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To get even, shoot down a few of their airliners. Just be warned that they have thousands of nuclear warheads.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:40 | 4975800 FrankDieter
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Blame the fucking lawyers !

They'll sell you out to keep milking you for fees.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:41 | 4975805 FrankDieter
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Putin is a dick.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:41 | 4975986 Moccasin
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I will assume the inference is Obama is a bigger dick and an asshole? lmao

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 04:29 | 4976542 Uskatex
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No, Cheney is a Dick

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:34 | 4976794 RaceToTheBottom
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Dick Putin?

Vlad Putin?

Ras Putin?

Rasputin?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:44 | 4975807 vincenze
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Currently, Russian processors can't compete with Intel or AMD. Intel sells billions of processors, so it can sell them for relatively low prices.

A Russian processor is more expensive because it's sold in limited quantities. When the Russian government buys millions of processors, the price will go down.

--------------------------

Mercedes wants to build an assembly plant in Russia. Then it'll be considered Made in Russia.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:44 | 4975812 orangegeek
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once again, putin/gerbmint is the problem - dictating to the private sector how to run their business and who to buy from

 

no wonder Russia is in the proverbial shithole

 

of course this is more likely vlad shooting his commie mouth off for the MSM and little else

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:00 | 4976049 Urban Redneck
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I take it reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

Actually Putin is dictating to the government who the government will buy from.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:27 | 5021331 napper
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It's obvious that the guy doesn't have a brain in the real sense of the word, nothing can be his strong point.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:32 | 4976292 dexter_morgan
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Yeah. So unlike the USSA that dictates nothing to private business.......

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:43 | 4976306 dexter_morgan
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Yeah. So unlike the USSA that dictates nothing to private business.......

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:44 | 4977130 blentus
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It is much better when private sector dictates to government, eh?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:48 | 4975818 MsCreant
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Russian cars suck, I am told.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:11 | 4976075 flapdoodle
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Trabant is NOT RUSSIAN. Trabant was designed and built in East Germany by ex-Nazi psychopaths who liked to inflict pain on people.

RUSSIAN cars are actually pretty robust, if underpowered. They run great in *really* cold weather too... The NIVA would be a great 4x4 if it had something more decent than a 1.6l engine...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:52 | 4975842 Sathington Willougby
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You never win when you pick a fight with an unfeeling drunk.  But hey, stawks R uhhppppp!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:02 | 4975868 your_moms_basement
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Hey, at least we still have a way to buy Russian mail order brides through ZH and those innane AnistasiaDate.com ads.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:11 | 4975893 MsCreant
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Wouldn't that be great?

Putin: "We are cutting off your supply of brides."

USA: "Oh God, not the brides!"

USA revolution over in half a day. White house dismantled, Ron Paul installed, negotiating with Putin in the morning. The event will be known as "The Pussy Riots." 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:17 | 4975909 your_moms_basement
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Brilliant!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:29 | 4975951 dracos_ghost
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The Hamptons would never be the same.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:37 | 4975975 sonoftx
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Wow! Now that was witty! Still smiling!

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 01:36 | 4976480 Zeta Reticuli
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Most of those beautiful Russian mailorder brides drink vast amounts of vodka, are batshit crazy, and move out the day they get a Green Card. Proceed with caution.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 09:51 | 4976738 Ginsengbull
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When it comes right down to it, aren't they ALL batshit crazy?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:10 | 4975888 BullyBearish
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Could this be the only thing standing between US and total domination by the NWO?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr5GxN3C8uw

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:19 | 4975917 potato
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A casual reader of ZH comments would walk away with the notion of Russian gov as a model of efficiency and strategy. The reality is it's just as dysfunctional as the US. The only heroes in this conflict are the freedom-fighters fighting the war of liberation in occupied east Ukraine. 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:21 | 4975925 ShrNfr
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When he bans sale of palladium/rhodium to the west, it will get very interesting.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:18 | 5021312 napper
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Putin has at his disposal a wide range of potent retaliatory measures against the US. He can sell advanced supersonic anti-ship missiles at discounted prices to Iran, Syria, and many other countries in the M.E., Asia, Africa, and South America. He can provide nuclear research assistance to Iran and N. Korea.

Russia has its own processor research and design institutions. Intel and AMD may have the lead right now, but the lead is not that overwhelming.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:25 | 4975939 robertocarlos
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Not the best move. You want the best tools available for any given job. Learn from Govt Motors and then buy German. Hell, buy Italian.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:41 | 4976959 Mi Naem
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BMW's are less reliable than anything American except Chrysler.  Oh, wait... 

And, "buy Italian"?!?  fuggetaboutit! 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:37 | 4975974 Moccasin
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I am going to move some money to the Russian market, fuck the sanctions, fuck the NSA, I want to buy some of those Russian CPU's.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:38 | 4975979 Kirk2NCC1701
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Even so, I suspect that US car sales to Russia will be harder hit than German car sales.

The boys in Detroit will be more affected than those in Munich or Stuttgart.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:43 | 4975991 Kirk2NCC1701
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As for cell phones, well there's always Nokia, now that the US has pulled in the leash on Canada's Blackberry phones, which now also have a NSA backdoor, no doubt.

Although they could create their own cell phones, if needed.  Or just use a Samsung Droid.  And pay for them with Russian oil/gas, thus bypassing the BIS and the USD completely.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:44 | 4975996 Yen Cross
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 If you want your Scrotum, you can keep your Scrotum...

  ŠKODA AUTO - ŠKODA

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:58 | 4976044 Infinite QE
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It is time for Germany to wise up and join the ABF, Anti-Bolshevik Federation. They've got plenty of history of knowing the zio-queer problem and have been milked to death by them.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:26 | 4976117 epobirs
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VIA is introducing new x86 compatible chips after a long period with no new models. Hmm.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:29 | 4976126 Infinite QE
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The business to now get into is typewriter ribbons as all governments will be going back to typewriters due to the NSA's shite.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:05 | 4976222 honestann
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I'm a linux.
And firmware.
And hardware.

Just say no to windoze.  :-)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:55 | 4976440 crtune
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Sort of a different concept here:   ARM processors (RISC type instruction set) are useful because they use low power, and take up very little space in devices.  That is why you see processors like this in tablets, phones, and small devices (maybe LCD monitors, small "dongle" type devices, etc.).  They typically have a 32 bit instruction set and do not perform anywhere near the level that regular (AMD / Intel type) processors in PC or Worstation roles.  These now have 64 bit instructions and fully 64 bit memory and register architecture.  Although, much is written about the small device field because of the ubiquity of phones and tablets, the world of scientific or other math intensive computing is still ruled by the AMD / Intel processor PC or Workstation.  This is due to what the processors can do.

Servers, for example almost always have Xeon type processors (AMD has a similar processor).  So, here Russia is essentially saying they are content to hamstring their scientific level computing in order to deal with the current embargo.  OK.  In financial engineering , or high power financial analysis you will see the same sort of hardware you see in a digital efx post house:  Dual Xeon processor workstations with either 8 gig main memory or even 16 gig, installed memory.   For math intensive advanced work, the processors mentioned here (ARM) will be of little or no use. 

So, this is Putin simply pretending that this is of no concern.  Probably viewing the latest IRS scandal, he's reasoned that most American politicians know nothing about computiing hardware. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:05 | 4976755 Urban Redneck
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I could post this 7 times (but I won't... InshaAllah)

http://www.montblanc-project.eu/

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:56 | 4976441 crtune
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Sort of a different concept here:   ARM processors (RISC type instruction set) are useful because they use low power, and take up very little space in devices.  That is why you see processors like this in tablets, phones, and small devices (maybe LCD monitors, small "dongle" type devices, etc.).  They typically have a 32 bit instruction set and do not perform anywhere near the level that regular (AMD / Intel type) processors in PC or Workstation roles.  These now have 64 bit instructions and fully 64 bit memory and register architecture.  Although, much is written about the small device field because of the ubiquity of phones and tablets, the world of scientific or other math intensive computing is still ruled by the AMD / Intel processor PC or Workstation.  This is due to what the processors can do.

Servers, for example almost always have Xeon type processors (AMD has a similar processor).  So, here Russia is essentially saying they are content to hamstring their scientific level computing in order to deal with the current embargo.  OK.  In financial engineering , or high power financial analysis you will see the same sort of hardware you see in a digital efx post house:  Dual Xeon processor workstations with either 8 gig main memory or even 16 gig, installed memory.   For math intensive advanced work, the processors mentioned here (ARM) will be of little or no use. 

So, this is Putin simply pretending that this is of no concern.  Probably viewing the latest IRS scandal, he's reasoned that most American politicians know nothing about computiing hardware. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:57 | 4976442 crtune
crtune's picture

Sort of a different concept here:   ARM processors (RISC type instruction set) are useful because they use low power, and take up very little space in devices.  That is why you see processors like this in tablets, phones, and small devices (maybe LCD monitors, small "dongle" type devices, etc.).  They typically have a 32 bit instruction set and do not perform anywhere near the level that regular (AMD / Intel type) processors in PC or Workstation roles do.  These now have 64 bit instructions and fully 64 bit memory and register architecture.  Although, much is written about the small device field because of the ubiquity of phones and tablets, the world of scientific or other math intensive computing is still ruled by the AMD / Intel processor PC or Workstation.  This is due to what the processors can do.

Servers, for example almost always have Xeon type processors (AMD has a similar processor).  So, here Russia is essentially saying they are content to hamstring their scientific level computing in order to deal with the current embargo.  OK.  In financial engineering , or high power financial analysis you will see the same sort of hardware you see in a digital efx post house:  Dual Xeon processor workstations with either 8 gig main memory or even 16 gig, installed memory.   For math intensive advanced work, the processors mentioned here (ARM) will be of little or no use. 

So, this is Putin simply pretending that this is of no concern.  Probably viewing the latest IRS scandal, he's reasoned that most American politicians know nothing about computiing hardware. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:57 | 4976443 crtune
crtune's picture

Sort of a different concept here:   ARM processors (RISC type instruction set) are useful because they use low power, and take up very little space in devices.  That is why you see processors like this in tablets, phones, and small devices (maybe LCD monitors, small "dongle" type devices, etc.).  They typically have a 32 bit instruction set and do not perform anywhere near the level that regular (AMD / Intel type) processors in PC or Workstation roles do.  These now have 64 bit instructions and fully 64 bit memory and register architecture.  Although, much is written about the small device field because of the ubiquity of phones and tablets, the world of scientific or other math intensive computing is still ruled by the AMD / Intel processor PC or Workstation.  This is due to what the processors can do.

Servers, for example almost always have Xeon type processors (AMD has a similar processor).  So, here Russia is essentially saying they are content to hamstring their scientific level computing in order to deal with the current embargo.  OK.  In financial engineering , or high power financial analysis you will see the same sort of hardware you see in a digital efx post house:  Dual Xeon processor workstations with either 8 gig main memory or even 16 gig, installed memory.   For math intensive advanced work, the processors mentioned here (ARM) will be of little or no use. 

So, this is Putin simply pretending that this is of no concern.  Probably viewing the latest IRS scandal, he's reasoned that most American politicians know nothing about computiing hardware. 

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