Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet

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Earlier, when we commented in the abnormality in the flight path of flight MH-17 we said that "perhaps before coming to "certain" conclusion about the involvement of this rebel or that, the key questions one should ask before casting blame, is why did the pilot divert from his usual flight plan, why did he fly above restricted airspace, and just what, if any instructions, did Kiev air control give the pilot in the minutes before the tragic explosion?"

The simple answer would have come if Ukraine had merely released the Air Traffic Control recording from the tower and flight MH 17, something Malaysia did in the aftermath of the disappearance of flight MH 370, which at last check has still not been uncovered.

It now appears that answer will not be forthcoming because as the BBC reports "Ukraine's SBU security service has confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner, a source in Kiev has told Interfax news agency."

What happens to the recordings next is completely unknown. What is known is that any hope of getting an undoctored explanation why the plane flew as it did, or what the pilots may have seen or said in the moments before the explosion, is forever gone.

It also means that any hope of actually working with facts instead of emotional appeals, and getting to the bottom of the Malaysian airline tragedy, resides in what may be recorded by the black box, whose location right now is now exactly clear. From the Independent:

"Ukraine's emergency services have found two black boxes at the crash site of the downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, the governor of eastern Ukraine's Donetsk region has been quoted as saying.

 

"Two black boxes were found by our emergency services. I have no information on where these boxes are at the moment," Kostyantyn Batovsky told the Interfax-Ukraine news agency.

 

Pro-Russian separatists in the region said on Thursday they had found one black box when the Malaysian airliner came down between Krasni Luch in Luhansk region and Shakhtarsk in the neighbouring region of Donetsk.

 

The Interfax-Ukraine news agency had claimed the first black box has been sent to Moscow for analysis, the BBC reported. The news agency now reports a second black box has been recovered at the crash site.

 

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has been quoted as saying Russia does not plan to take the "black box" flight recorders from downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in territory held by pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine,

 

However, separatist leader Aleksandr Borodai told the Associated Press: "No black boxes have been found ... We hope that experts will track them down and create a picture of what has happened."

 

A spokesman for the Emergencies Ministry in Kiev declined to comment on the report.

In other words, even more fact-free confusion and speculation which is just what a propaganda-based reporting system needs.

And so, just like in the case of flight MH-370, what actually happened with MH-17 may never be known.

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Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:49 | 4974007 Bastiat
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Seize seal and destroy the evidence. Where have we seen this before?

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:52 | 4974028 Hippocratic Oaf
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Just turn them over to the Ruskies so they can determine exactly what it means.

No problem there, move on

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:54 | 4974044 Latina Lover
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I agree.  Let's roast the Poroschenko pig!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:01 | 4974086 Thought Processor
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Again the actions always speak louder than words and lead straight to the real sources.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:12 | 4974172 SamAdams
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damage contro, but independents have black boxes, probably in russia's hands already.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:20 | 4974202 Save_America1st
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Gee, let me guess:

 

Black Box #1 in Moscow will say the Ukranians did it.

Black Box #2 in Ukraine will say the Russians did it.

Case solved. Thank you for playing.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:25 | 4974246 magpie
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What if Mossad seizes Black Box #3 and BND Black Box #4 etc etc

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:44 | 4974339 fuu
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Malasia Air's statements do not even mention US passengers, where is the 23 dead Americans meme coming from?

 

3.    Nationalities

Following this afternoon’s press conference, Malaysia Airlines can confirm that a further 16 passengers’ nationalities have been verified. The latest breakdown of nationalities of those on board the flight is as follows:

·         189 Netherlands

·         44 Malaysia

·         27 Australia

·         12 Indonensia

·         9 UK

·         4 Belgium

·         4 Germany

·         3 Philippines

·         1 Canada

·         1 New Zealand

Four passengers’ nationalities remain to be verified.

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/mh17.html

That link also has the cargo manifest. Some stand outs:

1 Live Dog

1 Shipment of Pot

1 Used Household

1 Diplomatic Mail

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/malaysia-airlines/mas/PDF/MH...

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/malaysia-airlines/mas/PDF/MH...

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/malaysia-airlines/mas/PDF/MH...

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/malaysia-airlines/mas/PDF/MH...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:45 | 4974350 max2205
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trust an eastern european, NOT

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:50 | 4974655 BaBaBouy
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""Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet""

B B B B Bingo .....

... Im Sure They Will Have A NEW AND IMPROVED Version Ready In A Few Days.

One That Fits In Perfect With The US Conclusions...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:18 | 4974859 Manthong
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..and will fit with their phony "phone tap" between Russia and Donetsk yesterday.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:49 | 4975030 bunzbunzbunz
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Google listed bitcoin as a currency...get some free now while the price is still in consolidation: http://freebitco.in/?r=25727

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:39 | 4975448 Hook Line and S...
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Evidently, Shaggy is working for the Ukraine security service now.

Wasn't me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv5fqunQ_4I

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 22:13 | 4976246 old naughty
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"confisticate..."

Gee, they're quick...as if there were something incriminating?

Perhaps doctored tapes recovered and to be used after digest?

"They" all know, so no need to destroy "evidence" unless Act II is coming for sheeples to swallow.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:07 | 4976874 fuu
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Malaysia Air released the passenger list today.

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/malaysia-airlines/mas/PDF/MH...

 

Officially only 1 dual Netherlands/US citizen.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 23:01 | 4978901 mjcOH1
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"Seize seal and destroy the evidence. Where have we seen this before?"

Russia seizing the black boxes? Yeah yeah....completely different...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 00:15 | 4979009 Flagit
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It's not Bingo, it's Poker, and I'm rasin' ya.

 They will recover the pilots iphone, which contains a photo he snapped just moments before impact of a missile coming at the cockpit with the words clearly legible on the nosecone.

Fuck You Ukies!!

Love, The Rebels.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:07 | 4975535 Bossman1967
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trust no one thats who I didn't do it that's 1

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 22:48 | 4978865 nmewn
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Black boxes sent to Moscow by "separatists".

Move along, nothing to see here.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 13:55 | 4974423 Stares straight...
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You mention the dog but not the "5 live birds" and "4 live pigeons".
Oh, the irony of live birds dying in a plane crash.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:02 | 4974457 Patriot Eke
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The black box data will be exactly what they want it to be.  Never forget the altered black box data that was released for the pentagon plane's route.  Once the government takes control of the data, trusting it is a complete joke.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:22 | 4974584 layman_please
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latest conspiracy theory that was just scraped from the intrawebs

MH17 Latest: Rebel Commander Says Plane Was Full of Corpses

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:29 | 4974629 Billy Sol Estes
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Same as in The Dark Knight Rises?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 01:06 | 4979051 Flagit
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Same as in The Dark Knight Rises?

 

I thought that movie was already taken by the Sandy Hook thing?

 

It also contains a reference to how if the stock market goes down, the money in your mattress is worth a whole lot less.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:30 | 4974631 tony wilson
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4 month frozen corpses a gift from the cia,mossad mi6 island called diago garcia innit

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:36 | 4975252 Truthseeker2
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:01 | 4974779 roadhazard
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There was no plane. Pass it on.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:10 | 4975545 Bossman1967
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for once there are pics so....

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 23:15 | 4978931 e_goldstein
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A lot of the pics that I saw were suspect. A couple of days ago one of the British rags were showing pics of perfect passports, drivers licenses, and pristine/ undamaged luggage that were "recovered from the wreckage."

But hey, if they recovered that dude's perfect passport from ground zero in 2001 then I guess anything can happen, right?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 08:53 | 4979328 Davalicious
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A fire burned through the cabin but perhaps overhead luggage was more protected. I keep my passport there, in a bag, during a flight. The rebels went around looking for stuff to steal and collected passports at the same time.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:25 | 4974912 MiltonFriedmans...
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Layman. Now that sounds a little, no a lot, Sandy Hookish and would seem to be an entirely plausible theory.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:21 | 4975705 layman_please
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well...

 

we have one missing malaysian 777 

we have a planeload of missing people

we have same make downed in the restricted airspace above conflict zone

we have air control and eyewitness accounts of fighters escorting the 'unlucky' plane just before the crash

we have a departure info stating the flight was canceled

we have info that mh17 was instructed to fly lower by the ukrainian air traffic controllers

we have bunch of intact passports laying in a pile 

we have ...

nah, nevermind, no conspiracy here. just move along now.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 07:03 | 4979227 barre-de-rire
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we have to support you BSness...

 

where the fuck you saw mh17 was cancelled... pls  check your arguments before posting such bullshit.  ppl like you help american to spread  shit over the fan. keep quiet.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:09 | 4979685 Debt-Is-Not-Money
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:39 | 4974669 RaceToTheBottom
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Does a Airplanes Black Box always look like a IRS employees Hardrive?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 02:53 | 4979117 FreedomGuy
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I was thinking the same thing. I expect they have the same security procedures for their data. Take it out to a dark alley and tie it to a hand grenade to eliminate potential identify fraud.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:01 | 4974458 fuu
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I had them in the first draft but the shipment of pot and used household were funnier.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:05 | 4974489 RafterManFMJ
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You foolishly assume they died. Perhaps, the blast that opened the fuselage opened their cages and they fell like stones to a lower altitude, unfurled their wings and even now are living in Prague under assumed identities.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:19 | 4974565 BLOTTO
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Info for consideration from JS site.

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Selective censorship of MH17 coverage speaks volumes

I thank the many readers who provided relevant input, yours can really make a difference.

 

Here is the most heavily censored thing, and the background on it

Fighter jet escorts reveal the real story

 Immediately after the shoot down, foreign people entered the nearest control tower that was monitoring flight MH17 and removed the normal workers and started doing their jobs. These "replacements by force" were obviously put there to front the official story. The normal control tower staff then reported the presense of two fighter jet escorts via Twitter. These tweets were subsequently removed by Twitter. However, the normal tower staff has successfully gotten through to various honest news outlets such as THIS ONE so the fact that "MH17" was under fighter jet escort will not be buried by Twitter or any replacement staff.

http://jimstonefreelance.com/

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:28 | 4974623 Thought Processor
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Word is going around that the pilot resisted verbally several times the order to decend to 30,000 ft.

This is likely recorded at several points- black box, traffic control, Norad (yes Norad), as well as anyone else who was listening in and happened to be recording at the time.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:30 | 4974634 BLOTTO
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Also, apparently  - flight departure times are inconsistent.

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:46 | 4974705 BLOTTO
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One last interesting piece for consideration from JS:

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'And a final nail - MH17 is proceeding as normal, with normal flights THE DAY AFTER. When MH370 vanished, that route was cancelled FOR WEEKS. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT? Is anyone out there really stupid enough to believe business as usual would resume the the next scheduled flight after a genuine loss of an aircraft that flies anywhere near a war zone? That next scheduled flight is LANDING IN MALAYSIA THE DAY AFTER ON SCHEDULE AS I WRITE THIS, and I beg to question WHY. Is anyone out there gullible enough to buy the notion of business as usual after a genuine unexpected shoot down, or perhaps more importantly, the loss of two IDENTICAL 777 aircraft from the SAME AIRLINE within 4 months? FIGURE THE ODDS.'
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 15:12 | 4974828 fuu
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It flew well south today. It crossed the Black Sea from Romania and exited over Turkey.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140718/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK

Oddly enough there are still panes flying over the Ukraine, might just be local routes. Landings in Kharkiv, Kyiv, etc.

http://www.flightradar24.com/49.71,31.73/6

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:36 | 4975619 Paveway IV
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Ukraine airspace IS NOT CLOSED.

 

Ukraine airspace over the eastern portion of the country is restricted below 32,000 ft. 

Ukraine airspace over Luhansk and Donetsk is not under Air Traffic Control (ATC) because the rebels destroyed the ATC communication and radar towers in those oblasts. The IACO advises against overflying those oblasts since communications are not reliable and ATC radar is limited.

Airlines can do what they want. If they all want to file a flight plan that overflies Luhansk or Donetsk right now, they can. ATC cannot and will not 'divert' them. If the airlines want to file a flight plan to the South Pole and then back up to Asia to keep well away from Ukraine, they can. It's their call.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 19:32 | 4975766 Rootin' for Putin
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FAA put out a notam that basicly prohibits US carrier and pilots flying there.

Ground navigation facilities are all but useless thesedays to a 777.  GPS direct.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 21:14 | 4976077 Paveway IV
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Sure, but sort of after-the-fact R4P, don't you think?

 

All the following FAA notices apply to U.S. pilots/carriers. The U.S. FAA has no jurisdiction over foreign carriers like Malaysian Airlines or its pilots. Foreign pilots/carriers usually heed FAA NOTAMs anyway (as did MH17)

 

2014.04.13 00:00 FAA SFAR 113

Prohibits operation in the Simperofol Flight Information Region (around Crimea and the surrounding Black Sea area) for the next year. Mostly due to confusion about which country (UKR or RUS) will administer the region.

2014.06.26 00:00 (A bunch of NOTAMS)

Closes segment ATS routes in DNEPROPETROVSK FIR from 14,000 - 26,000 ft (FIR is in Eastern Ukraine area - loss of comm/navigational aids for air corridors; aircraft can still plan flight through and overfly direct via GPS instead of via ATS routes)

2014.07.14 00:00 A1492/14

Closes airspace 26,000 - 32,000 ft same area

2014.07.17 14:15 ATC notifies Malasia Airlines it has lost contact with MH17

2014.07.17 14:56 A1507/14

Closes airspace from 32,000 ft to unlimited height same area << in response to downing of MH17

2014.08.18 00:07 A1517/14

Closes all airspace from surface to unlimited height same area of East Ukraine << I didn't know about this until now

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:36 | 5016086 Stares straight...
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I did consider that possibility (that I am foolish)

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 14:23 | 4974595 magpie
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Yeah, that was yesterdays story. They know that since Beghazi...nevermind.

 

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