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US Makes Up Its Mind: "The Pro-Russian Separatists Did It, Although We Really Don't Know"

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Sounding more and more like a Wall Street economist, it appears US intelligence has made up its mind that pro-Russian separatists shot down the Malaysian Airlines jet in Ukraine... but are not really sure... As WSJ reports, a U.S. official said there are “indicators” that Russian separatists fired the (BUK) SA-11 that took down the plane, but that officials have not reached a definitive conclusion. "There are still a lot of questions," the official said. So - put another way - they have no idea (but know what they would like the answer to be).

As WSJ reports,

The U.S. now believes that pro-Russian separatists were responsible for firing the missile that downed a Malaysia Airlines jetliner, a Defense official said Friday.


Officials in Washington also confirmed that the missile was fired from a Russian-made SA-11, or Buk, system, the Defense official said.


The official cautioned on both findings that a U.S. probe isn’t complete and investigators and analysts are still sifting the circumstances surrounding and leading up to the firing of the missile.




Another U.S. official said there are “indicators” that Russian separatists fired the SA-11 that took down the plane, but that officials have not reached a definitive conclusion.


“There are still a lot of questions,” the official said.


The U.S. official said the missile was fired from “the border region” but declined to give a more precise location.

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So that's that - "proof" that will now become mainstream media's anti-Putin meme

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Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:23 | 4973142 TeamDepends
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We found a pristine passport in the wreckage...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:25 | 4973156 Thought Processor
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Because the propaganda must flow...........

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:32 | 4973196 Headbanger
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But the question is  SO NOW WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT!?

Moar sanctions?  Moar "red lines"?  Moar blame game?

Fact is, we're not going to do anything but see Barry play moar golf.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:35 | 4973229 101 years and c...
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i'd be willing to bet $100 the US shot the plane down.  and will blame russia.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:46 | 4973312 Chief KnocAHoma
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Valerie Jarrett (Sitting in the den of the Obama’s Hamptons vacation home.) – Mr. President could you quit putting on the carpet for a minute and focus?

Obama (Glancing up with a look of scorn.) – Why are you always so serious Valerie? Relax… we’re on vacation.

Jarrett – But Mr. President I think we need to address a few issues.

Obama – Like what? (He tries to give a putt some body English.)

Jarrett – Well let’s see… there is the plane the Russians just blew from the sky, Israel is moving into Gaza, the border crisis, Obama care is collapsing, Issa and Goudy are closing the noose on the IRS scandal, Benghazi, the VA is a disaster….

Obama (Interrupting) – Okay… okay… I get it, the shit is piling up. What do you recommend?

Jarrett – We need to either solve at least one of the issues, or at very least change the subject.

Obama (With a puzzled look.) – Solve?  What is that?

Jarrett – Yeah it might be easier to just change the subject.

Obama (Looks up from his putting to admire himself in a mirror.) – I got it! Can you rent those columns we used back in 2008 in Denver? We could set them up on the beach and I’ll do a speech.

Jarrett – I think this may require more than a speech.


Obama (Exasperated) – Okay… okay… I’ll do two speeches.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:08 | 4973777 Save_America1st
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I, for one, hope obama takes a break from golf while on vacation to practice shooting hoops.  Cuz that piece of shit Marxist is fucking horrible at B-Ball: 


The best is at 1min 15sec in the video when he absolutely destroys that layup.  The "Brothers" must have shit themselves when they saw him lay that epic brick off the backboard!  hahaha

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:50 | 4973348 exi1ed0ne
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In the end it doesn't matter who shot it down.  The entire fiasco began with the east vs west tug of war to get Ukraine into their sphere of influence.  The US is doing everything in it's power to deflect from the fact that the coup supported by the west really got things heated up.  It is very telling that the EU is balking at further sanctions against Russia, as they know that will mean a very cold winter and further economic slump.  EU is now caught in the middle between the east and west.  Will we see them continue to walk the line?  Will they choose one love over another?  Or will they go their own way?  Tune in next week to find out in As the World Burns!

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:10 | 4973485 DaddyO
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I just went and checked all the headlines of the MSM, Fox, ABC, NBC, etc. and it's official -

The Separatists did it!

I'm so glad the media is on top of this story, aren't you?


Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:29 | 4973571 COSMOS
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Tyler seriously....Spending the advertising revenue on Hookers and Blow on the islands of Corfu and Mallorca instead of bandwidth....great thinking bud....

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:59 | 4973699 SMG
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Could be one of these, specifically SUNBLOCK:

  • ASTRAL PROJECTION: Remote GSM secure covert Internet proxy using TOR hidden service
  • POISON ARROW: Safe malware download capability
  • AIRWOLF: YouTube profile, comment and video collection
  • BIRDSTRIKE: Twitter monitoring and profile collection
  • GLASSBACK: Technique of getting a target's IP address by pretending to be a spammer and ringing them. Target does not need to answer.
  • MINIATURE HERO: Active skype capability. Provision of realtime call records (SkypeOut and SkypetoSkype) and bidirectional instant messaging. Also contact lists.
  • PHOTON TORPEDO: A technique to actively grab the IP address of MSN messenger user
  • SPRING-BISHOP: Finding private photos of targets on Facebook
  • BOMB BAY: The capacity to increase website hits, rankings
  • BURLESQUE: The capacity to send spoofed SMS messages
  • GESTATOR: Amplification of a given message, normally video, on popular multimedia websites (YouTube)
  • SCRAPHEAP CHALLENGE: Perfect spoofing of emails from Blackberry targets
  • SUNBLOCK: Ability to deny functionality to send/receive email or view material online
  • SWAMP DONKEY: A tool that will silently locate all predefined types of file and encrypt them on a targets machine
  • UNDERPASS: Change outcome of online polls (previously known as NUBILO).
  • WARPATH: Mass delivery of SMS messages to support an Information Operations campaign.
  • HUSK: Secure one-on-one web based dead-drop messaging platform.
  • Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:44 | 4973623 COSMOS
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    Tyler seriously....Spending the advertising revenue on Hookers and Blow on the islands of Corfu and Mallorca instead of bandwidth....great thinking bud....

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:09 | 4973480 Urban Redneck
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    Until there is FULL DISCLOSURE of intelligence means methods and RAW DATA, it's all Bullshit. Both side have the means, motive, and opportunity to lie and massage analysis to suit their strategic aims.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:32 | 4973590 Truthseeker2
    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:44 | 4973621 sunnydays
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    The Ukraine Air Traffic Control was in complete charge of Malaysia flight MH17.

    They had them fly a route directly through the war zone and out of the way than their normal flight and they had them fly lower than they requested.


    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:55 | 4973664 WhackoWarner
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    Nice bit in here regarding a now taken down Twitter account of air taffic controller......

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:35 | 4973231 gmrpeabody
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    ZH is sounding more and more like the National Enquirer...

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:38 | 4973258 1stepcloser
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    when ZH goes Big Footing...then maybe...

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:42 | 4973287 Mr Pink
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    Nothing wrong with doin a little squatchin!

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:48 | 4973322 1stepcloser
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    Squatchin is like the new fishing... who cares what you catch as long as you're drinking...

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:50 | 4973336 onewayticket2
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    ...National Enquirer broke the John Edwards story a year before the regular press admitted it...and a year AFTER MSM instructed their reporters NOT to cover the story.


    no big fan of the NE, just sayin'

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:50 | 4973346 Mr Pink
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    Someone once said, "there is fine line between fishing and standing on the shore looking like an idiot". I would guess the same would apply for bigfoot hunting

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:38 | 4973256 chunga
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    One has to wonder what the public opinion in Russia will be with the west pointing fingers at them.

    Does public opinion anywhere really make a difference anymoar? What will Russia do?

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:42 | 4973282 smlbizman
    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:48 | 4973328 SMG
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    This is so blatently a false flag.  They made sure Americans were on the plane just like the freaking Lusitainia, another false flag.  The rebels have absolutly no benefit frojm shooting down that plane.   Only the NWO's NATO does because they are going to try and use this as an excuse for military action.

    And look at the coordinated propaganda flying:


    US believes Russian separatists fired missile that downed MH17: Dow Jones, citing sources

    Putin is responsible for MH17 crash: Phillips

    And notice how ZH site has been slow lately?

    And remeber how one of those GCHQ web programs snowden just released was to jam up websites.



    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:25 | 4973165 Mr Pink
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    Well, at least this plane crash actually had wreckage

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:36 | 4973238 McMolotov
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    Probably because it's the same plane and it didn't actually crash the first time. I need more tin foil.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:55 | 4973377 Shrapnel
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    Absolutely agree(aside from the tin foil).

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:27 | 4973170 1stepcloser
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    its the magic passport theory.  Similar to the magic bullet...  What I find interesting they can find this passport but the black boxes from these flights...not so much..

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:29 | 4973180 BobPaulson
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    Hauled away and destroyed. They had good reasons, if your security clearance was higher they could tell you why.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:32 | 4973195 1stepcloser
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    because suadi arabia with Mossad help were behind the farce...  got it!  

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:39 | 4973261 McMolotov
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    Modern passports are made with unobtainium and fairy dust and are indestructible.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:46 | 4973311 1stepcloser
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    Christ no wonder passports a sooooo expensive....tinker bell only works for Gold and silver.  No FRNs

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:27 | 4973171 BobPaulson
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    Literally laughed out loud when I saw your post. Thanks for that.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:42 | 4973263 Dr. Richard Head
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    A while stack of pristine passports was indeed photographed in the smoldering and ashed wreckage.  You can't make this shit up anymore.  It's getting ridiculous. https://twitter.com/lifenews_ru/status/489821390040993793/photo/1


    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:47 | 4973324 Mr Pink
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    Holy shit! Damn the CIA is getting lazy. If that passport pic is real, this story just got blown wide open

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:54 | 4973373 Recognizer
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    On live Russian TV they showed a couple guys going through the wreckage collecting the passports.  They are all given to one guy who then opens them one at a time on TV to show the names and pictures of the people they belonged to.  He then drops them all in a pile and that's where this picture was taken.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:58 | 4973406 Mr Pink
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    Is it standard procedure to rummage through a crime scene separating IDs from bodies and then throwing them in a pile? WTF??

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:01 | 4973425 TeamDepends
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    What a country!

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:59 | 4973412 Shrapnel
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    In addition, at least one of the passports in that pile was punched(as in cancelled).

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:07 | 4973471 magpie
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    Must be from the 47 unknown who boarded the plane...completely legit in Amsterdam...safest place in world.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:45 | 4973305 KenShabby
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    From the footage I saw yesterday on ABC, they had a whole stack of pristine passports that they were tossing in a pile on the ground. 

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:45 | 4973309 Ozy_mandias
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    They're (MSM) now showing pictures of about ~30 passports all piled up and all in perfect condition. Also surprising, and I've seen a couple analysts mention it, is that so many bodies are so intact. Rapid decompression at that altidude, along with a 10km descent at near terminal velocity with an assload of jetfuel strapped to you isnt going to leave much. Obviously i don't have all of the info, just an observation.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:01 | 4973428 Dr. Richard Head
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    Here is a video of the impact and the resultant fire ball.  http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/nbc-news/video-shows-malaysian-jets-moment-of-impact-307015235547

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:46 | 4973625 r0mulus
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    Actually I think it's quite reasonable that many passports are still in tact and the bodies are not more thoroughly charred.

    Planes store fuel in the wings. The luggage and bodies are in the cabin, which is not filled with jet fuel.

    If the plane blows up in midair, the fuselage is not itself exploding, the wings are.

    when the fuselage crashes into the ground, it does not "blow up", it has a physical impact that scatters matter.

    i am not sure why people are assuming spontaneous combustion like responses from a crash.

    for people to compare this to the 9/11 passports is pretty ridiculous, the difference being that those passports also "survived" a miraculous, nearly instantaneously vaporized, 110 story building collapse.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:36 | 4973942 tonyw
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    at Lockerbie there were many body parts strewn over a large area, some complete others in many parts.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:56 | 4973632 r0mulus
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    site is completely messed up (ddos attack or something) and tripled my post. sorry.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:56 | 4973651 r0mulus
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    site is completely messed up (ddos attack or something) and tripled my post. sorry.

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:03 | 4973434 Atomizer
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    The NSA was tied up monitoring domestic Facebook and YouTube posts. Never saw this coming. 

    Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:31 | 4973584 Atomizer
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    Brian Williams is promoting his fireproof passport product line again. 

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