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Was Malaysian Airlines MH-17 ACCIDENTALLY Shot Down Over Ukraine?

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While it is too early to know who shot down Malaysian Airlines flight MH-17 over Ukraine yesterday - and while it could have been a false flag -  it would be good to remember that airlines have accidentally been shot down numerous times in the past.

After all, the Malaysian airlines plane was way off course:

The plane flew over a war zone, which was well-known to be a “no fly zone” with “restricted airspace”.

The Los Angeles Times reports:

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was cruising just 1,000 feet above restricted airspace when it was struck by a missile in Ukraine’s Donetsk region, according to aviation and intelligence officials.

 

Despite ongoing violence in eastern Ukraine, including the recent downing of two military aircraft, Ukrainian aviation officials had closed the region’s airspace only below 32,000 feet in altitude.

 

The Boeing 777, en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, the Malaysian capital, with 298 people aboard, was at 33,000 feet when it vanished from radar screens, according to European aviation authorities.

 

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In recent days, though, military aircraft were downed by antiaircraft munitions, which should have concerned aviation authorities, he said.

Reuters notes:

Malaysia Airlines filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000 feet throughout Ukraine airspace but was instructed by Ukraine air traffic control to fly at 33,000 feet upon entry ….

CBS writes in an article entitled “‘Big Question’ Is Why Plane Was Flying Over War Zone”:

During a phone interview with CBS News Thursday morning, Captain Capt. Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger was questioned why Malaysia Airlines flight 17 would be flying over Ukraine’s border with Russia despite ongoing political unrest in the area.

 

Sullenberger, the veteran of the 2009 Miracle on the Hudson landing, is an aviation expert for CBS News….

 

“That is one of the big questions right now,” said Sully. “The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has barred U.S. Airlines from flying over this area for some time.”

The Atlantic points out:

Did aviation authorities know that this was a dangerous area?

Yes, they most certainly did. Nearly three months ago, on the “Special Rules” section of its site, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration put out an order prohibiting American pilots, airlines, charter carriers, and everyone else over whom the FAA has direct jurisdiction, from flying over parts of Ukraine.

Bloomberg adds:

Qantas hasn’t used the route for a few months, said Andrew McGinnes, a spokesman for the Australian carrier, while Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific said it has been detouring for “quite some time.” Korean Air Lines Co. and Asiana Airlines Inc. said in statements they have been avoiding the area since March 3.

This is not the first time such an incident has occurred …

Numerous Previous Accidental Shootdowns ... By Russia, Ukraine, and Other Countries

In 1954, mainland China's Army shot down a Cathay Pacific Airways airplane, killing 10 out of the 19 passengers.   Cathay Pacific was the airline of Hong Kong, then under British control). In apologizing for the attack to Britain, the Chinese government said that they had thought the plane was a military aircraft from the Taiwan on an attack mission.

In 1973, a Libyan Arab Airlines Boeing 727 flying from Tripoli to Cairo got lost and flew over the Sinai peninsula,  under Israeli control since the Six-Day War in 1967. After giving signals to land and firing warning shots, Israeli jets shot down the plane, killing 108 of the 113 people on board.  The chief of staff of the Israeli armed forces took responsibility for ordering the shoot-down, the Defense Minister called the event an "error of judgment", and the Israeli government compensated the families of victims (Libya condemned the attack as "a criminal act" while the Soviets called it a "monstrous new crime").

In 1983, a Korean airlines passenger airline was shot down by a Soviet pilot killing all 269 passengers.  The pilot had accidentally deviated from the normal flight path:

A simplified CIA map showing divergence of planned and actual flight paths.

 

The Soviets believed it was likely a military aircraft. Transcripts quote the shootdown order from Soviet General Kornukov:

What civilian? [It] has flown over Kamchatka! It [came] from the ocean without identification. I am giving the order to attack if it crosses the State border.

The Washington Post reported in 1988:

A U.S. warship fighting gunboats in the Persian Gulf yesterday mistook an Iranian civilian jetliner for an attacking Iranian F14 fighter plane and blew it out of the hazy sky with a heat-seeking missile, the Pentagon announced. Iran said 290 persons were aboard the European-made A300 Airbus and that all had perished.

 

“The U.S. government deeply regrets this incident,” Adm. William J. Crowe Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Pentagon news conference.

 

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Navy officials said the Vincennes’ combat teams believed the airliner to be an Iranian F14 jet fighter.

Ukraine admitted to accidentally shooting down a Russian airliner in 2001, killing all 78 on board as the aircraft plunged into the Black Sea:

Ukraine finally admitted yesterday that its military shot down a Russian airliner that crashed into the Black Sea last week, killing all 78 passengers and crew.

 

Evhen Marchuk, the chairman of Ukraine’s security council, conceded that the plane had probably been brought down by “an accidental hit from an S-200 rocket fired during exercises”.

And – according to several government investigators tasked with determining what happened – an American missile test which went astray may have accidentally brought down TWA 800, killing all 230 on board.

 

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Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:48 | 4975649 williambanzai7
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When there is a typical airline disaster what do the authorities and experts typically say?

We can't be hasty, we are collecting all the data, no conclusions can be reached until the flight recprders have been obtained and the flight control communications have been analyzed.

Remember the TWA flight that was allegedly missiled? How long did it take to reach any conclusions in that instance?

Well none of that type of objective reasononing seems to apply here.

Next time a plane crashes, we will all just wait to hear what the President says happened within 24 hours right?

Take off your propaganda blinders.

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:24 | 4977808 Cynthia
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The US started this whole mess. So please fix it, O'Bomber, before we give you the boot.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 03:33 | 4976517 Nassim
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Why do you write "allegedly missiled"?

No other 747 anywhere ever had exploding fuel tanks. It was a mistake by the US Mavy that was carrying out exercises nearby.

"Was TWA 800 Shot Down By a Military Missile?"

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/twa.php

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:58 | 4976992 Cruel Aid
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Why would you get a dn arrow, it was clearly shot out of the sky. People saw it. Doesn't answer who did it, but the official answer was bs.I would rather hear it was an accident than design flaw anyway but that would open the door to a huge payout.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:09 | 4975547 nosoeawe
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questioning the fiction emanating from CBS, GE, News Corp, Disney, Viacom, and Time Warner doesn't illustrate "covering up". These aforementioned companies own 90% of the news americans read and listen to on a daily basis and have all proven to be fucking liars, snakes and leeches. 

 

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 18:21 | 4978112 logicalman
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Meanwhile the aforementioned companies are fine with the deaths of Palestinians at the hands of the IDF

 

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 20:45 | 4975997 PeakOil
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Exactly. MSM beholden to the same vested interests as the politicos.

Can you say agenda? Sure you can...

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 17:52 | 4975487 Cap Matifou
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After everything comes out, you will see who was the lying sack in this movie. The Rooskies are more or less the only nation with acquired immunitiy against the NWO.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 18:27 | 4975596 0b1knob
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When the headline is a question the answer is ALWAYS no.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 02:18 | 4976491 Boris Alatovkrap
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Is Amerika really land on moon?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 05:53 | 4976584 RafterManFMJ
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Nyet.

Fri, 07/18/2014 - 16:29 | 4975224 monad
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Lusitania?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 05:53 | 4976585 Kobe Beef
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Only if it was carrying a shit-ton of armaments under a civilian banner..

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 00:50 | 4976434 The Juggernaut
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Malaysian flight MH17 had approximately 100 AIDS scientist on board as they were trying to make it to the The 20th International AIDS conference in Melbourne which starts on Sunday.  If any cure to AIDS were to be found these people were probably the ones to have found it.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975275/Leadin...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 01:37 | 4976481 Boris Alatovkrap
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<-- Lusitania moment

<-- Tonkin Gulf moment

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:18 | 4977457 Dublinmick
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Something wrong with this site. When you post on the last page the comment reverts back to page one or two.I get access denied quite a bit also. It must be the Jumbotron and Movictim armies.

 

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Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:30 | 4976937 autofixer
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Nyet Comrade Boris> Non of above. Amerikanskis are now pantie waste and are watching fat ass Kardashkikans or someting. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:51 | 4977553 RevRex
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I stopped reading when they quoted SEE BS "news".....Who believes anything those dumfux say or print?

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