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Full Passenger And Cargo Manifest Of Flight MH 17

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It took Malaysian Airlines two months of media prodding before it finally released the full cargo manifest of the disappeared light MH 370. Following the tragedy of flight MH 17 it took just over a day to get the same information. The full manifest is shown below and aside from several live animals including two dogs, five pigeons and five otherwise unidentified live birds and a 9.4kg "shipment of pot", there is little that draws attention. The full tragic list of 283 tragic passengers who passed away was also just released by Malaysian Airlines.

The full passenger manifest:

And the complete cargo haul:

 

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Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:32 | 4977082 SHEEPFUKKER
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We must save the women, children, and pidgeons. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:39 | 4977108 Urban Redneck
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I think the unidentified birds have been identified...
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1678543.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:18 | 4977267 barre-de-rire
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try again

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:21 | 4977276 Pheonyte
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This is interesting:

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/Russia-Ukraine-reporter-quits/2014/07/...

Draw your own conclusions. I don't know what to think anymore.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:32 | 4977317 Davalicious
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Were there any Jews on the flight who didn't get the warning SMS? Always use an Israeli cell service (and pay the $2.99 to get precise rocket impact information).

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:04 | 4977349 COSMOS
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Sing Along folks...

On the first day of Summer vacation the the Dual Citizens gave to me

One fallen JET false flag distraction for One Gaza strip invasion

Two dead dogs

Three dead kids..on a GAAAAZA beach

4 BUK missiles

Five dead pigeons and five otherwise unidentified live birds and a 9.4kg "shipment of pot"

6 pointed star

7 candle holder

............

And a full tragic list of 283

<LOL whats with the down votes, nobody likes to sing along with the latest Dance of Death mix by the Dual Citizen DJs spinning world misery from their banker desks at Goldman Sachs, Safra bank, etc..  I hear they decided to make a play on Daft Punk and call themselves Death Funk>

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:05 | 4977420 Dr Hackenbush
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Apology accepted, Captain Pushilin 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwio208q3jY

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:25 | 4977960 svayambhu108
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Why Russia is taking the common sense aproach and the others tha Batshit crazy aproach?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12UaRF5fE_c

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:40 | 4977344 Let them eat iPads
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"A second Russia Today correspondent has quit her job, saying the Kremlin-funded station's anchors "do work for" Russian President Vladimir Putin and lied on-air to the public."

That sounds about right. Putin is a fucking psychopath.
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:05 | 4977362 COSMOS
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Thats right she will be getting a job with the dual citizen controlled MSM for a higher pay.  We know some women will fuck for money and lower their standards if the fat or ugly fuck has cash.  Just look at the hot chick Spitzer was banging.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:49 | 4977383 walküre
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CNN, NBC, FOX journalists have to sign their pledge to the American Ministry of Truth (aka Propaganda)

She couldn't stand the heat. Putin is walking a very fine line. He could blow this whole thing up overnight and reveal the connections between Ukes and CIA and expose this thing as the false flag it was supposed to be.

The Russian restraint is commendable.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:11 | 4977770 DrewJackson
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The restraint not to take the bait  and invade Ukraine; possibly.   But why restrain from blowing whole top of the false flag?  Who benefits from this?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 22:13 | 4978785 Lore
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The trouble with exposing false flags is that they conflict too dramatically with the narrative that comprises the world for most people. State the truth up front, and most will simply dismiss you as a nutjob. That even applies to heads of state.  (Remember Hitler's own quote about Big Lies.)  All will will stand revealed in time.  Let the psychopaths sweat for a while.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:32 | 4977671 BrosephStiglitz
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I think she should have probably got an engineering degree if she wanted to be impartial.  The nature of the mainstream media today practically ensures that you are going to be spreading horseshit for somebody.

Maybe she can become an investigative journalist and try to survive flipping burgers.  Naive girl.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:22 | 4977949 Banjo
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This is interesting:

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/Russia-Ukraine-reporter-quits/2014/07/...

Draw your own conclusions. I don't know what to think anymore.

 

You know whats interesting that people of conscience are not resigning from MSNBC (msnbc.com), CNN (cnn.com), ABC News (abcnews.go.com), Fox News (foxnews.com), CBS News (cbsnews.com) and BBC News (bbc.co.uk).

 

Spreading lies??? Are you serious (WHY ARE THERE NOT MORE PEOPLE WALKING OUT???)

  • 9/11 Building 1 & 2 strain credibility building 7 please
  • Just please review some of the considered material from Architects and engineers
  • Convenient that a whole lot of information prosecuting Wall St fraud wend poof in WTC7 (from memory Enron and co)
  • Airline stocks massively shorted
  • Oh yeah Colin Powell spreading truth about mobile weapons labs in Iraq to justify an illegal invasion
  • Netanyahu was recently in the UN with a ACME style bomb and burning wick regards Iran nuclear program. Yep truthfully
  • Nulands "Fuck the EU" I'm sure the reputable honest reporting organisations above were all running with that truthful story
  • current Kiev stooges are using aircraft to bomb civilian populations anything from our above truth loving friends
  • Thailand military coup (all ok our guys)
  • Syria and the gas attack
  • How about our economic NON recovery how are our media reporting that truth?
  • Market manipulation from Equities, VIX, LIBOR, precious metals
  • MH370 just goes missing

 

There are a whole heap of reasons for this individuals resignation. An individual lives in this 1984 Orwellian world where all around you the BS is piled up sky high when you encounter information that is different or challenges this ALTER REALITY you start to react to the truth especially when everyone is just accepting the lies. You are living in this confusion of "truths" day to day and with every person you come in contact with imagine the educated masses on twitter repeating their propaganda fed by the above MSM (not to mention the GOVERNMENT ROBOTS pumping propaganda) and you being the lone voice trying to MAKE SENSE of it flowing against the grain.

We are lucky we are not in the spotlight and can just come here for a few hours and leave. Heck I would probably quit if I worked for RT the cognitive dissonance would be so hard to get straight in your head it's easier to run with the Twitter and government ALGO mobs than work out what is real, having holding two or more clashing stories in your head.

 

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 22:24 | 4978824 Lore
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Good post. Can't upvote you for some reason, but would if I could. Similarly, working in DC and certain other locations nowadays must be the definition of TERROR.  Psychopaths like that and think it should be the natural condition.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 23:05 | 4978911 Banker Buster
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I thought I heard there were American's on that flight, but I see no Americans listed on the manifest???  I guess one could say that if US had anything to do with it, they didn't take out their own.  

 

I don't see enough discussion yet, lets ramp it up with this generational warfare question, because we know this will kick things into high gear.  Question:  I wonder how many boomers were taken out on that flight, whatever it was, you gotta start somewhere?  haha just kidding fellas.  

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:41 | 4979146 All Risk No Reward
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I didn't see any lies mentioned in the article, just claims that lies are being told.

As for blaming the opposition, I have no doubt the Russian government and media complex is doing exactly what the American government and media complex is doing - lying by blaming the other side without presenting any evidence.

If only more "30 sheckel" American media had this kind of integrity.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:21 | 4977465 COSMOS
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Nooooooo, they killed Riooooooo

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:29 | 4977485 0b1knob
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Norwegian blue.  He's not dead just pining for the fjords.

Too soon?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:20 | 4977627 palmereldritch
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There's never too soon here.  Only too late.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:19 | 4977793 robertocarlos
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If they hadn't nailed him to the perch he would have busted through that cage and made it safely home.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:21 | 4977946 COSMOS
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You have a point roberto, which makes me think what if one were to sell a front facing small backpack with an emergency chute one can wear whenever flying over Ukraine, that is two jumbo jets they nailed so far this decade

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:15 | 4977235 Bokkenrijder
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I'm sad to say but the here on ZH much touted 'Russian side of the story' is looking increasingly feeble.

In the Dutch media there are reports of rebels looting the crash site, multiple reports of rebels blocking inspectors to search the area and conduct a propper investigation, and then there is the Kremlin, who's silence is deafening.

Don't get me wrong, I regularly visit Russia and I really like going there. Russians as a people are very warm (even in Siberia at -40 degrees Celcius) and very welcoming, but it's looking more and more as if the Russian government and Russian-backed rebels in eastern Ukraine are trying to cover up a monumental fuck up.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:35 | 4977293 PeakOil
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Possibly. It would be good to get all the facts before passing judgement though. There are a number of open questions.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:35 | 4977329 Let them eat iPads
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You're wasting your time Bokken, the Putin-loving fucktards who post here would NEVER even consider that Russia bears any responsibility for this tragedy.

Putin can do no wrong in their fucked up brains.

"Zero Hedge - licking Putin's ass since 2009"

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:50 | 4977385 disabledvet
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Good for Putin's poll numbers.

Throw the points of view expressed here under the bus at your peril.

Might try on a pair of those Russian Shades for a change too. They don't have the rose colored "unicorns farting rainbows" pablum that we get everyday in the USA.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:52 | 4977881 Perfecthedge
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I am neither a Putin fan or a Obama fan.  As far as I am concerned they are both Politicians, belonging to a group of people that don't have the highest of morals.

But in this case, even if Putin pulled the trigger personally you still have to explain how the USA has been getting away with over ten times as many deaths through DRONE strikes!

Morally the USA is on very shaky ground and Obama should SHUT THE FUCK UP. 

Over 3.000 deaths caused by unmanned Drones - Civilians.  Weddings, playing kids, one 8 year old girl that was sleeping, etc.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 03:31 | 4979149 All Risk No Reward
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Crimestop.

Must.

Engage.

More.

Crimestop!

Let's not forget that the duly elected government of the Ukraine was overthrown in a murderous coup...

Funny how this STAGGERING reality isn't "stamped" or "imprinted" in the minds of the public....

“Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.”
? Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 22:43 | 4978841 Lore
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@ iPads - You don't earn respect by name-calling.  My impulse in person would be to ignore you and walk away. Bluster aside, why don't you try using your mental muscle to come up with some ideas that might help answer some of the important questions that our media keeps dodging?  Here's a good place to start: WHO WOULD HAVE A MOTIVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS? (I think it was a bungled assassination attempt.)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:40 | 4977350 JohninMK
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Agree. Can't understand what appears to be happening at the crash site. There even seems to be a blackout on who has the black boxes.

It looks either as if the Russians are guilty as charged or they are letting the Americans dig a hole and planning a PR coup with all the evidence.

Either way, US/EU governments will all know the truth by now.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 18:38 | 4978173 UnpatrioticHoarder
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Agree.

Are there 2 black boxes, each recording the same data? In which case, if Russia and Ukraine each have one, then there is some verifiability

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:56 | 4977376 Urban Redneck
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We don't know shit at this point.

About the only speculation as to verifiable facts that can reasonably be ruled out is that a Kiev military jet collided with MH17, since there would be wreckage of it in the debris field, and someone would likely have posted a picture of it by now.

The characterizations of the two "superpowers" are both filled with professionally parsed phrases (except when Joe Biden opens his drunk mic mouth and says something that would incriminate the US if taken at face value).

In terms of exposed overt lies, the only party (that I am aware of) that can be proven guilty is Kiev, since they denied they had any Buks in the area. This can be demonstrated without relying on the Russian's statements to that effect since without Kiev's Buks in the theater of operations- none could have fallen into the hands of the militia, and if the Russians had sent any across the border there would be YouTube videos and satellite imagery of the border penetration.

Unfortunately without full disclosure, including RAW INTELLIGENCE, it will be very difficult to ever ascertain FACT (as opposed to some "truth" mutually agreed upon by the CIA and FSB).

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:53 | 4977396 walküre
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What do you know about looting? In Chicago the airplane seats would already be used as backyard furniture and you'd see a pimped Cadillac with 777 rims!

Rebels couldn't have shot down the plane. It's a setup to frame the rebels. They're patsies. For all we know the plane could have exploded remotely JUST TO MAKE SURE.

This has CIA signatures all over it.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:35 | 4977491 Bokkenrijder
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Even the total softie Dutch prime minister, Mark (Marx) Rutte, someone who is not exactly know for his courage or strong spine, has mustered all the courage he could find and has said that "he is shocked at the respectless behavious at the crash site." http://www.nu.nl/vliegramp-oekraine/3832485/rutte-geschokt-respectloos-g...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/19/uk-ukraine-crisis-airplane-idUK...

"The Dutch government, whose citizens made up more than half the 298 aboard MH17 from Amsterdam, said it was "furious" at the manhandling of corpses strewn for miles over open country and asked Ukraine's president for help to bring "our people" home."

"He has one last chance to show he means to help," Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said after a telephone call to Putin."

But hey, some fanatic ZeroHedge gold bugs are obviously so desperate that they like to cling to their version that: 'Putin is briliant, is going to crash the Dollar, send the gold price through the roof and can therefore can do no wrong.' Dream on suckerrrrs!

p.s. yeah, come on, give me those red negative fiat kudos! They hurt about as much as the purchasing power of 10 billion Marks during the Weimar hyperinflation, hehehe, ;-)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:08 | 4977542 COSMOS
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Manhandling lol what putting bodies in body bags and removing them from the field where animals can gnaw at them overnight is disrespectful.   Come on dude dont be a moron.  Go back and look at any accident site and you will see bodies being removed.  What you want them decomposing in a hot summer day, or to be in a fridge somewhere...

If I ever come across your family members' corpses I will be sure to let them swell up in the summer heat and have the rats, flies and wild dogs treat their corpses with respect.  Punk...

By the way how did you last on here almost 5 years being such an idiot.  Oh I get it, you are the original towel boy at the fight club.  Guess everyone needs a piece of tough leathered ass once in a while, and you supply it in the shower room.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:21 | 4977616 Bokkenrijder
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"Manhandling lol what putting bodies in body bags and removing them from the field where animals can gnaw at them overnight is disrespectful.   Come on dude dont be a moron.  Go back and look at any accident site and you will see bodies being removed.  What you want them decomposing in a hot summer day, or to be in a fridge somewhere.."

@COSMOS, no you idiot! We're talking about; valuables being missing, luggage being searched, and bodies disappearing. What if certain bodies or pieces of luggage contain shrapnel? Say...shrapnel from a rocket...? Shrapnel possibly containing incriminating serial numbers..?

Clearly the whole crime scene is being tampered with at a huge scale: soldiers/rebels carrying away bodies and sifting through luggage, while at the same time these very same rebels are blocking Dutch crash investigators access to the crash site! Helloooooowwwww! Somthing is seriously wrong here...

Think what you want, stick your head a little bit deeper into the sand, shout a bit louder about the latest 'gold is manipulated conspiracy theory' whilst at the same time anyone who is capable of even the slightest bit of critical thinking can see that, sadly, a lot of things don't add up for the Russians/Russian-backed rebels concerning MH17...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:20 | 4977631 Bollixed
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Are you assuming all sides are taking a 'time-out' because the deaths of airline passengers are different from the deaths of their comrades?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:05 | 4977911 Perfecthedge
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Say...shrapnel from a rocket...? Shrapnel possibly containing incriminating serial numbers..?

 

"Incriminating serial numbers" LOL.  The CIA/Mossad/MI6 are unable to get Russian rockets and shot with them.  Yeah, right.  Serial numbers will tell us shit.

The only interesting piece of evidence is even only ONE of the two black boxes.  The one with the cockpit conversations! (The other one will only say that the airplane didn't come down due to technical failure - hydraulic, electronics, etc.)

If we hear two pilots having a conversation like: "Hey, buddy what is that drone doing on your left side?" or "Why are there 2 Ukrainian fighter jets swinging their wings at us?"

Everything else is just a bunch of BS.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:51 | 4977552 tony wilson
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i remember the dutch un handing over boys and girls too be slaughtered by the serbs.

deal with the facts

the facts are i know shit

you know less

we are all being fed shit.

the only constant in this is mossad and israel

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:55 | 4977565 Urban Redneck
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I would assume soft-skin-rich-kid-Rutte-boy is saying that for domestic political consumption, and not because he is actually that much of a fucking retard. Sort of like how those worthless Dutch UN peacekeepers were perfectly willing to plead ignorance and turn over even their Muslim employees in Srebrenica for slaughter.

If Rutte actually had courage he would have called out the UkeyNazi-in-ch(i)ef a few weeks back when he said "No more ceasefires for you" It's a bit late to be changing his tune because there's now some Dutch political skin in the game. Rutte kept his mouth shut while Dijsselbloem et al. threw diesel on the fire to suck the blood out of the Ukrainian economy in order to feed the vampires in Brussels.

The notion that combatants should stop a war so some relative rich-kid outsiders can collect their dead who wandered uninvited onto field of battle is ludicrous.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:10 | 4977905 Bokkenrijder
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As you can read in my previous posts, I'm no big fan of Rutte, however the groundwork for the Srebrenica tragedy was made by the late socialist defense minister, Relus ter Beek. He (and his naive daydreaming left wing "give peace a chance" PvdA/Labour Party colleagues) decided it was a good idea to send very lightly armed Dutch troops to a war torn Bosnia. The naive idea (you couldn't make this up) was that a heavily armed Dutch peacekeeping force would serve as a "provocation." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relus_ter_Beek

Long story short: when General Mladic showed up with his heavy tanks, the only thing the DutchBat(talion) troops could do is sit and watch as a massacre unfolded. A total disgrace indeed, and very symptomatic of Dutch society as a whole; naive, gullible and no backbone whatsoever.

Anyway, back on topic. For a totally spineless WIMP and bureaucrat like Rutte to even lift his finger and tap it gently on his desk (I'm not even talking about banging his fucking fist on the table here) it must mean that there must be some serious issues at the crash site of MH17.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 18:26 | 4978013 Urban Redneck
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I don't doubt that there are serious issues, but there are also probably a lot of innocent relatives of about 1600 Kiev UkeyNazi troops who would also like the bodies of their loved ones back right now. Yet the rich don't push for a broader cease fire...

The sick thing about Srebrenica is that as much as despots despise observers in their fiefdoms, they really don't want corpses with blue helmets drawing more attention and reinforcements. But once the alpha males asserted their dominance and the air strikes were called off- it was a very straight and slippery slope to the bitches facilitating crimes against the very people the were supposed to protect.

Which makes me wonder why the EU side of the upper echelons of OSCE are continually dragging their feet on deploying more observers to eastern Ukraine.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:18 | 4977619 Bollixed
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"...corpses strewn for miles over open country..."

I thought the plane's fuselage went down intact, e.g. one piece, so how do you come up with "corpses strewn for miles over open country"?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:27 | 4977820 robertocarlos
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It's a bit like Lockerbie. The 777 was hit and big peices fell off but the main fuselage hit the ground and that was shown on video. The parts that were blown off fell over a wide area.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 03:37 | 4979152 All Risk No Reward
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All media is about "stamping" and "imprinting" the public - don't be naive.

That includes Russian, the US and the Dutch media, too.

Remember how this all started...  Ukraine rejected a deal with the EU, 3 months later there was a murderous coup to overthrow a democratically elected government, a Bankster was installed and now, voila, THE COUP UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT HAS A DEAL WITH THE EU!

Constext, people.  Context.

Also, it is well known in the power structure that Russia **needs** the Ukraine.

“Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”
— Zbigniew Brzezinski

The Western Banksters know they are pushing Russia into a shooting war by financing a coup to overthrow the Ukraine.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:33 | 4977086 goldhedge
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SAD.  Looks like a lot of familys as well.

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:49 | 4977149 Mr Pink
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Anyone read the story about the rebel leader who claimed many of the bodies were already decomposed?

Did they have a cooler go down on Diego Garcia?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:16 | 4977253 Cacete de Ouro
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The article on the 'not fresh' bodies is written by Associated Press, and can be found here:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/18/pro-russia-rebel-command...

And here
http://news.yahoo.com/rebel-leader-gives-bizarre-account-plane-crash-182...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:55 | 4977404 RaceToTheBottom
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So how does that piece of "information" even fit?  

Are we saying that the crash site is seeded with already dead bodies or is Malaysian air flying dead bodies with minimal crew on a suicide mission?

Seems like we have too much misinformation and not enough information.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:45 | 4977705 Rootin' for Putin
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I beleive that means the bodies are from MH370 and the plane too. 
All part of an elaborate sceme to get a war started.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:06 | 4977736 BrosephStiglitz
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This makes absolutely no sense at all.  Think about what you are saying for a second?  A couple of the passengers on the manifest were very well known.  Plus there were families, pilots etc. all of which likely had people they were visiting.

If this was the MH370, all of these "bodies", would have been missed by people.  I know a guy who knows one of the dead families well.  Why would it make sense to use the old bodies?  Why not just cremate to disappear them?  Wouldn't people ask questions if these families disappeared for 3-4 months and then all of a sudden showed up dead on a different flight?

This is one of the most retarded and poorly considered conspiracy theories I have ever heard and it is propagated by a sensationalist journalist who is trying to sell their work.

Diversion over restricted airspace?  Possible.  False flag?  Possible.  Frozen bodies from a flight 4 months ago?  Absolutely ludicrous.

Edit:  Also unless you are a Russian Oligarch your name is stupid.  All politicians are the same.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 03:52 | 4979157 Frostfan1
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Remind me to take the next plane if I see guys in Mossad uniforms rolling in dead bodies in the aisle behind me

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:56 | 4977405 walküre
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Bodies falling from 30,000 feet leave no clues.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:51 | 4977701 BrosephStiglitz
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Maybe don't believe every nonsense web article you read?  A colleague of mine knew one of the families on board very well.  I don't really care what some vodka-swilling a-hole in a developing nation claimed to a (let's be honest) poor grade tabloid reporter.  The crash is legit.

Oh, and FYI, having lived and worked through the Arab Spring, I can tell you that even the most "prestigious" reporters have a "print first, ask questions later" policy.  Sensationalism sells and mundane facts don't.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:08 | 4977426 Davalicious
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The cabin area was on the "well done" side. Could he have mistaken burning for advanved decomposition. I guess that there will be some DNA testing along with relative recognition. So using other bodies wouldn't help them anyway.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:34 | 4977087 DeadFred
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There were over a hundred AIDS researchers and activists on board headed to a conference in Australia. We know that Putin is not rainbow friendly while Obama is VERY friendly. You make your own conclusions.

s/

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:44 | 4977128 freeasabee1
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dude, did you forget to take your meds?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:03 | 4977205 Escrava Isaura
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Did you mean, dudes?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:22 | 4977282 Mr Pink
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I was bringing up an actual news story. I think even you would agree, if true, this would be highly unusual.

If you are going to make stupid posts about "forgetting to take meds" or "your tin foil hat is on too tight" there is a comment section over at Yahoo where you would fit right in

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:54 | 4977399 Escrava Isaura
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Pink, anyone can make up stories, not that you don't know that.

Now, dead bodies loaded on the plane?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:59 | 4977413 Escrava Isaura
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By the way Pink, check the link below

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2697011/Video-emerges-claiming-final-moments-inside-cabin-MH17-took-doomed-flight.html

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:25 | 4977474 ThankYouSatan
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Regarding the already decomposing bodies: 370 = 17

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:54 | 4977563 Escrava Isaura
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LOL! Can't wait for August... but not August 7, 17, and 27

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:04 | 4977209 Urban Redneck
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I think the Dutch officially revised that death toll component down to 6 dead "researchers".

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:41 | 4977354 SoDamnMad
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Urban Redneck  There were 6 "cutting edge", dedicated, life long (etc,etc) researchers but 100 going to the Australian conference. 

Not to say the other 94 were into areas of therapy, treatment protocols, hospice, drug funding and more who were going to the Australian conference to share their knowlege on the identification and treatment of HIV?AIDS. Not researchers but very important in their own right.

Russia has a terrible problem with AIDS that the country has not properly addressed. Maybe they don't care if the homosexuals and drug users die but the babies who contract it from infected mothers, individuals who contract it from   blood transfusions-organ transplants-hospital contamination deserve a chance at survival. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:13 | 4977441 Urban Redneck
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I haven't come across anyone reliable saying that 100 were actually attending the conference, unless you consider Obozo-the-clown reliable. I can find detailed information on 6 or 7 legitimate names and a lot of "we're not sure who else" (which would presumably include some lab assistants/coffee bitches brought along for logistical support).

Of course, now that there is a complete passenger manifest, IAS should be able to provide a very precise count and exact names in short order.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/top-aids-researche...
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/remembrances-of-aids-and-hiv-w...
http://abcnews.go.com/International/aids-conference-continue-respect-res...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:49 | 4977548 Ocean22
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Perhaps the people who are behind the depopulation agenda would prefer if we don't get closer to solving AIDS. There are many factions out there working their own plans, using each other as cover.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:35 | 4977089 q99x2
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How bout bankers. Any bankers in that list?

Maybe one that worked for the Queen of Dutch Shell.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:40 | 4977112 GeorgeWKush
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The bankers were all removed from the lists at the moment they boarded the plane.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:49 | 4977132 fuu
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There were two shipments of equipment going to banks in India, including the shipment of pot which is actually a shipment of potentiators. Waybill #3 and 4.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:48 | 4977140 SharkBit
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Shame there was not a Central Bankers meeting being held in KL instead.  Would have been more righteous. RIP MH-17.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:25 | 4977289 mrvco
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No golden parachutes were reported behind the plane as it entered Ukraine airspace.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:38 | 4977099 Let them eat iPads
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The Russian pigs messing with the crash site need to be liquidated and air-dropped on Putin's head asap.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:44 | 4977122 Urban Redneck
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Have you ever been in war zone?

Scrounging supplies from the dead is what civilians do to stay alive (and even poorly supplied professional soldiers).

It may be distasteful, but that's war, and Porky Pig can pull his troops back any time he wishes to respect the fundamental right self-determination (or alleviate civilian/non-combatant suffering).

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:50 | 4977150 Let them eat iPads
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Conversely, that sack of shit in the Kremlin could have sealed his own border and ended this war a long time ago.

Furthermore, the Russian pigs causing trouble in Ukraine can go back to Russia anytime they like if they don't like being part of the Ukraine.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:56 | 4977178 albanian
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y can eat my iPad sack of shit

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:59 | 4977188 Let them eat iPads
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Intelligent response from the pro-Russian crowd at ZH.

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:07 | 4977219 Atomizer
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3,2,1 account terminates 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:15 | 4977248 Let them eat iPads
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Is that how it works here if someone disagrees with the posters at pro-Russian Zero Hedge?

I would have though that some kind or re-education program would come first so that I'm taught to think right.

"Zero Hedge - licking Putin's ass since 2009"

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:29 | 4977764 layman_please
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Just see what happens to your account when you say ZH has become an extension of RT.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:23 | 4977945 ThisIsBob
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Intelligent debate here is usually welcome even from government shills.  However, it appears in this case that intelligence is above your pay grade.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:15 | 4977249 Let them eat iPads
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Is that how it works here if someone disagrees with the posters at pro-Russian Zero Hedge?

I would have though that some kind or re-education program would come first so that I'm taught to think right.

"Zero Hedge - licking Putin's ass since 2009"

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:11 | 4977237 QEternity
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Intelligent reply from backwards, ill informed human shit stain

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:17 | 4977257 Let them eat iPads
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My, my...the pro-Russian folks here sure do make things personal in a hurry.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:05 | 4977210 stacking12321
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you seem to be conveniently leaving out the fact that it's the ussa, not russia, which is causing trouble in ukraine, spending $5B in our taxpayer dollars to overthrow their govt and install nazis in power.

putin has acted much more reasonably, and with more restraint, than that evil clown in the white house.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:26 | 4977290 Let them eat iPads
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Your first sentence is correct but you lost it on the second.

Prior US meddling aside, it's now Putin who is trying to rip the country apart like a psychotic jilted lover who wants his revenge.

The guy all ZH'ers worship is a maniac and a thug.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:08 | 4977428 Winston Churchill
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Most here try to be open minded.Most fail because of their programming,but still try..

For the last decadeand a half ,which Govt. has consistently lied to us about everything ?

The same govt. you parrot.Putin may lie,he is a politician after all, but he does not

compare with our Dear Leaders.He often tells the truth,something ours never do.

You are not even trying to find truth . Can I suggest only one blue pill next time,

and remember if you are still the same prick after four hours,consult  a doctor..

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:29 | 4977657 Let them eat iPads
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"The same govt. you parrot"

I'm not parroting anyone, I hate the US government too.

But Putin is being exposed for the sick fuck that he is yet the idiots here still worship him.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:12 | 4977239 Urban Redneck
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Neither the Russians nor the Americans are deploying their military grade hardware in Ukraine (to any significant degree). This is Ukey-on-Ukey barbarism. If you want to get into obnoxious paradigms - where are the refugee camps in Kiev for all the "western" Ukeys who have fled the local violence? (since in order to match "eastern" migration there should be about half-a-million that have moved in that direction)

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:26 | 4977295 barre-de-rire
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ok listen to me mother fucking douche scum bag, ukraine problem stared coz of US pressure over EU to foce EU to get trading agreement economicaly, whitch is not possible coz they have, ukraine, alreay one with russia, meaning if signed, ukraine play both side of the bord, it is economically impossible.

 

ukraine is pro  EU at west, 99% & at east 99% russians people. cremea was russian part before 1954. USA wanted gaz & oil so to get it, need to break country. cia sent to put porochenko puppet in place, poutine said fuck you usa & took back crimea back to russia land.

 

here are the fact, poutine do not want rest of ukraine, usa mess around uraine for ressources ( as every else where on this fucking planet )

 

got it ?

ok so now

  1. get the fuck out,
  2. stick your ipad in your ass,
  3.  go play hide &seek on a highway.
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:30 | 4977308 Let them eat iPads
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U mad, bro?

Did I insult your hero Putin?

You sure sound mad.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:36 | 4977335 barre-de-rire
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go apple store... it is where ou are the most efficient.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:18 | 4977934 ThisIsBob
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He could have sealed his border?  Really? Explain how, as apparently you expect considerably more professionalism from the Russian Border Patrol than from the US Border Patrol.  Maybe Holder should fly over there and show them how its done - piece of cake.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:40 | 4977109 BTFDemocracy
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I'd like to think that at least the birds survived.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:42 | 4977119 BeetleBailey
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The Netherlands got wiped out. Tragic. Condolences to the families.

FUCK GOVERNMENTS.....EVERY DAMN LAST ONE OF THEM!

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:52 | 4977127 paint it red ca...
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I do not buy this bullshit for a moment.

Believing anything published in the MSM 1st, 2nd or 3rd blush has become beyond my capability. I have been lied to so consistently, so completely, and so badly for so long I cannot accept anything unquestionably.

The burden of proof has not been satisfied in any available media.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P1X2oAmJ_Lo

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:28 | 4977303 PeakOil
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Word.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:52 | 4977392 IridiumRebel
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....to the Big Brother.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:46 | 4977135 WTFx10
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Dumbotron is depressed there were no palestinian women or children that perished on the plane.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:55 | 4977175 Winston Churchill
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No invitation for you to his bar mitzvah.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:55 | 4977168 Winston Churchill
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The unlucky American could not have been warned off like the other twenty three.

These passenger manifests are rarely wrong nowadays,so why the discrepancy from the

intial toll ?

From watching the idiot box this am, both left and right are showing they are both the the same

imperial war party.They better be careful else the sheeple might notice.

The momo for war is rolling, just needs something decisive to push it along.

What surprise do TPTB have planned for the near future ?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:56 | 4977179 Donutwarrior
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I thought there were supposed to be 23 americans on this flight?  I see zero. Was that retracted at some point?  Or am I having trouble reading this.  Why was that even stated if here were none?

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:09 | 4977231 TN Jed
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Where did you hear that?  I've only heard Obama claim there was 1 and I'm thinking they had to dig hard into dual citizenships to try and make that connection because I don't see it.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:21 | 4977275 Donutwarrior
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Agreed.  I saw it on one of the first news items, but couldn't say where.  Must have been a mistake somehow, and I never heard a correction.  I don't listen to Obama.....so I never heard that. Thanks

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:33 | 4977323 Winston Churchill
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All over MSM for 24 hrs.

They all had the same number.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:09 | 4977430 Mitzibitzi
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Yup, I heard, saw and read it as 'at least 23' americans in several different media over the first 24-36 hours.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:40 | 4977345 barre-de-rire
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french tv said it too, 29 USA, 4-at-least french. at arrival, 1 usa zero french... so, defense minister took plane to egypt to spit on israel's back.

i seriously think to throw away my tv.

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:42 | 4977357 wanderintheland
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The first day of MSM reporting on the crash I'm sure I heard Fox News - Shepard Smith to be precise - say 23 Americans were on the manifest. After a quick google, Fox news did indeed make that claim.

Just goes to show...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:56 | 4977180 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Full Passenger And Cargo Manifest Of Flight MH 17"...

Fine.  Now may we send in a group of international observers (BRICS countries Come on in!) to inspect the bodies.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:01 | 4977196 stant
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There are no good guys in this story . No matter what side or sides responsible. Godspeed to the familys

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:16 | 4977610 css1971
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These people were killed by Victoria Nuland and the US state department.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:02 | 4977203 Son of Captain Nemo
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From the pages of our past rearing it''s butt ugly head too many times to count. 

An ex-CIA spokesman who lived through that lie and kept his badge for 10 more years to collect his pension tells an ugly truth about a similar incident in 1983.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/u-s-government-lied-accidental-shootdown-commercial-plane-3-decades-ago.html

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:04 | 4977204 daz
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Fatima Dyczynski, she was an aerospace engineer

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/flight-mh17-fatima-dyczyn...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:11 | 4977230 Conax
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Americans need to keep their BS discriminators set to 'high' during this episode. We don't actually know jack shit. So far we know what the mass media wants us to think.  

In most of these incidents, it has taken years for some semblance of the truth to finally emerge from the fog of lies, distortions and political rhetoric.

Let's not go off half cocked. We should wait for full cockiness. Then wait some moar.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:20 | 4977272 Hongcha
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It was a mistake, an accident.  The flight was going over that zone probably to simply save fuel.  It's ghoulish to continue to dig deeper.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:33 | 4977320 mrvco
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The truth is overrated... and so is justice.  Apparently.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:42 | 4977355 barre-de-rire
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using a 3 vehicules device so 3 ppl at least to launch a missile, i don't call it a mistake. statisticly it is not a mistake.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:44 | 4977369 Mitzibitzi
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So why didn't the previous 10 days of Malaysian airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur take the same fuel-saving route, eh? according to the records, they all avoided the area by skirting around it to the south.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:20 | 4977944 huggy_in_london
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I have not heard that ... is that true?  Do you have a source for that - I'd like to read that.  Thx

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:30 | 4977306 Cacete de Ouro
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Interestingly, there were exactly 9 years and 11 days inclusive between 7th July 2005 (London bombings) and 17 July 2014 (MH 17)

That's 9 11 between 7/7/7 and 7/17/7

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:44 | 4977364 barre-de-rire
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really ? and i got exactly same number of fingers on each hand and foot !?!!

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:20 | 4977626 Cacete de Ouro
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Barre-de-troll, Go fuck yourself

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:31 | 4977315 Hannibal
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Pro-Russia rebel commander suggests passengers died days before Malaysian flight

MOSCOW — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.

The Malaysia Airlines Boeing-777 was shot down Thursday, killing all 298 people aboard. The plane was flying 10,000 meters above an area where Ukrainian forces have been fighting separatist rebels. Each side accuses the other of downing the plane....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/18/pro-russia-rebel-command...

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:53 | 4977397 begintowin
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Could they possibly be the passengers from flight MH-370 that are missing from four months ago?

The passenger list from flight 17 needs to be cross-checked with a forensic examination of these dead passengers to verify they are in fact from flight 17 and not MH-370.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:36 | 4977333 Cacete de Ouro
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At this point, lines of investigative enquiry should really look at reports of jet fighters reported to be in close proximity of MH17 prior to its crash, and similarly reports of jet fighters escorting MH17, and associated eye witness reports of hearing sounds of jet fighters overhead, as well as video footage of military CHAFF (anti-radar CHAFF) being seen over the crash site.

The Russian deputy defence minister also referred to the question of Ukrainian jet fighters being reported to having been in the area at the time of the crash.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:38 | 4977338 Son of Captain Nemo
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If it is true and why wouldn't it be...

After all if you can loot 40 tons of gold from their banks and send 'em to New Yrok why wouldn't we be able to make "good delivery" on weapons to the Neo-Nazis we've backed with $5 billion for the subversion campaign alone?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f03_1405762382

 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:38 | 4977341 Mitzibitzi
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I think the MOTU have missed a trick on this one, actually.

They've been claiming (and in the UK, BOY are they claiming!) that it's all the fault of the rebels, using a captured Buk-M1 vehicle, presumably a TELAR, with onboard radar which is not optimised for engaging high altitude targets unless fully integrated with the search radar and TAR vehicles that form the rest of the battery (along with other TELARs and TEL (launcher but no onboard radar) vehicles).

While the later Buk-M1-2 IS capable of having done the job on it's own, thanks to more capable radar and fire-control equipment onboard.

Also take note that the Wikipedia page appears to have had a section chopped out - the exact section that presumably describes the setup and abilities of the Buk-M1!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system#9K37M1-2_Buk-M1-2_.28Ura...

If you look about halfway down, it has the heading

9K37M1 Buk-M1 (Ganges)

Then nothing but a description of the support equipment attached to the missile battalion.No details about the vehicles, missiles used or anything of any actual use.

A full description of the Buk-M1-2,which could have shot down the airliner with far more ease than the basic M1, then follows immediately below.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:34 | 4977674 Cacete de Ouro
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You can view the editing history of all Wikipedia pages.

In your case, the page you're interested in is here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buk_missile_system&action=history

On desktop site, click 'History' tab at top to view the editing history.

There have been 200+ edits to this Page since the afternoon of 17th July, and no edits before that as far back as 21st June.

So various people have been busy editing this page in the last 3 days.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 13:59 | 4977412 walküre
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Death toll in Gaza 330 and counting. Israel fascist armed forces are scouring through the remains and belongings of the dead and departed

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 14:18 | 4977454 Fuku Ben
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I won't believe it until the NTSB has confirmed the names

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:28 | 4977647 christiangustafson
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Pray that the good Russians have at least one of the black boxes.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 15:42 | 4977692 SemperFudge
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Just wanted to mention -- all the "false flag" accusations seem to have dried up and ZH seems to have returned to business-as-usual gloom and doom now that Russian separatists have been blocking access to the wreckage site. Is it too hard to believe a leader who pines for the glory days of the Soviet Union would kill innocent civilians, including AIDS researchers (who I'm sure he just absolutely loves)?

Russia is a shitty country, coming from one who has had to travel there too many times on business, unfortunately. Now with their economy in the tank the alcoholism is probably that much worse. I don't believe for a second little-miss KGB was incapable of doing what he did. No doubt just doing his best Stalin impression.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:47 | 4977853 layman_please
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what would be putin's motive?

 

one just doesn't became the top of the food-chain in a collapsed 'imperium' without being the smartest, and also the most ruthless killer, among all the other predators in a place like soviet union/russia. so to except something as stupid from putin, is a gross underestimation. he's one of the smartest guys among world leaders. but if you ask me, they all should be isolated from the society and its power structures. only their urge to dominate others is a reason enough.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:18 | 4977791 dot_bust
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Since the plane was shot down only one day after the BRICS nations finished meeting and finalizing the New Development Bank, I don't think the Russians were involved in firing the anti-aircraft missile.

It seems more like a U.S.-sponsored incident. After all, the U.S. Government would love to drive a wedge in between the BRICS nations. How else would it be possible to make sure that the U.S. Dollar remains the world's reserve currency?

Putin is no angel, but he's not dumb enough to participate in terrorism right after the launching of the BRICS bank.

 

And, besides, there's been no investigation into who shot down the Malaysian plane. So, it's awfully suspicious that the U.S. news media are already declaring Russia to be guilty. It's similar to how Oswald was immediately vilified right after the Kennedy Assassination. He hadn't even had a trial before being declared to be guilty of killing Kennedy.

The news media should show some balance and restraint by allowing an investigation to take place. Anything else is simply propaganda.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:12 | 4977927 layman_please
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if this crash was a false flag done by some US actor, then one has to understand, that this kind of incidents are planned by some rogue factions (inside whichever agency) who have their own agenda and are not controlled by the official chain of command. otherwise, if this conspiracy would be exposed, the implications would be catastrophic to US. yes, the media is controlled and most of the other world politicians know what the US is really up to, but personally i can't imagine dutch politicians just keeping their mouth shut if this would be the case.

many are aware of the rouge factions and their black budgets, but their immunity gives them cover even from the highest in the command line. this is the modus operandi how éminence grise control federal assets and their policy.

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 16:30 | 4977829 22winmag
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Where in the manifest is the bomb that took the plane down?

 

There is no way the demon cats from hell who are putting the screws to the Malaysian government were relying on a 3rd party missile to take it down. A bomb is essentially certain... way too many variables with missiles. 

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 17:21 | 4977943 medium giraffe
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Umm..... It's still flying about?  WTF?

http://www.flightradar24.com/MAS17/3dabff4

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 21:13 | 4978613 HUGE_Gamma
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they lost a Shipment of Pot!! NOOOOOOO!!

Sat, 07/19/2014 - 21:51 | 4978740 NoWayJose
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It is interesting to hear the conflicting stories on the black boxes. Some sources claim that 'others' have them, but even some rebel leaders on site are saying that they have no black boxes yet. Wouldn't it be interesting if we never find the black boxes? Could they have been removed BEFORE the plane even took off so as to ensure they would never be recovered?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 06:54 | 4978837 TerraHertz
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It's an inescapable conclusion that the action was pre-planned and deliberate, by elements of the Kiev government.

Supporting details: The Spanish ATC's live tweets of events at Kiev airport, which revealed the Kiev Interior Ministry ordered the shootdown while the Defense Ministry only learned of it after the event. The flight path of that particular flight being shifted into the conflict zone (unlike the same flight on the 10 preceding days.) The plane being accompanied by 2 Ukie fighter jets till a couple of minutes before the shootdown. The strike point being carefully chosen so the plane would crash in Separatist-held territory rather than a little to the West in Ukie-held ground or a few miles further on in Russia. That military sigint would definitely identify the kind of targeting radar used and even the unit responsible - and sure enough Russia immediately released that it was a BUK-M1 and identified the unit (Ukie army.) Then most damning of all - the Ukie government quickly releasing a video (sound recording) purporting to contain Separatists talking and admitting responsibility, except the edit/creation date embedded in the video was over 20 hours prior to the event.

Which really means this was directed by the USA since the Kiev bunch of fascist clowns are a construct of US-CIA efforts.
That leaves only the ultimate intent unknown to us observers. The obvious likely candidate intents are:

1. False flag, to be pinned on the Separatists and/or Russia as propaganda. With the extra benefits of distracting attention from Kiev's ongoing military disaster in the Cauldron. Also of giving the Novorussian military structure another headache, hopefully weakening their ability to deal with ongoing tactical operations. Looking at MSM coverage of the disaster, the anti-Russian hysteria and baseless blame-flinging is extreme and disgusting.

2. Either an actual attempt to shoot down Putin's plane (if it really was nearby around the same time, as rumored), or to act as a severed horse's head in Putin's bed. "See, we could kill you." Purpose being to enrage him, causing him to make some rash action in East Ukraine. The Zionist/NWO freaks badly need a major world war, preferably nuclear, before their precious fiat global banking/US dollar scam implodes. Pulling serious Russian military force into Ukraine would allow further false flag nuclear actions that would ensure global nuclear war.

That initially seemed to be the whole scope of this shootdown. The unbelievable 'coincidence' that it was another Malaysian Airlines plane fits well, and could be interpreted as ongoing payback to Malaysia, for their attempt to ship the stolen US drone mobile command center to China on MH370. Or even just more Zionist Malaysia-bashing, since Malaysia doesn't toe the Zionist 'Israel is wonderful' line. I hope the Malaysian government takes a lesson from this, learning that whatever understanding they have for remaining silent about the truth of what happened to MH370, won't help them. They are better to tell the world the Truth. Ultimately it is the only way to save Malaysia from the general destruction and ruin the Zionists heap on all who resist them. The only defense is to defeat the Zionists - which Truth would.

HOWEVER... a new and even more horrific dimension turned up on Friday the 18th. I'm used to the Zionists being insane murderous bastards, but this.... If it is true, my God...

Refer to this report from Strelkov:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.it/2014/07/evidence-continues-to-emerge-mh...
-----Extract-----
#9 - 11:53-12:40 – July 18, 2014 – Information Regarding the Boeing from Igor Strelkov

Igor Strelkov: According to the information received from the people who collected the corpses, a large number of the corpses are “not fresh” – these are people who died a few days ago. I cannot vouch for complete accuracy of this information – of course, we will have to wait for conclusions from forensic specialists.

- “Somebody of course must have been piloting this plane, which, to boot, would be impossible to leave. The theory that the plane was full of dead people is, of course, breathtaking; however, it does not seem to make sense.”

Igor Strelkov: First of all, not all the people in the plane were dead prior to the fall.

Second, a large quantity of medication, including blood serum and so forth, was found in the airplane, which is not characteristic of a regular airliner. It looks like there was some kind of special medical cargo on board.

-----End extract-----

If the reports of long-dead bodies and bulk blood serum liquids on the plane are true, one must consider the possibility that the plane was deliberately loaded with contagious biological agents. Dead bodies and serum infected with something from the bio-labs of the NWO Satanists. Targeted population cull in action. From their point of view a long latency before appearance of symptoms would be ideal, so the present lack of symptoms means nothing. Remember, already Ebola is loose in Africa, and Pneumonic Plague in Colorado, so there is a backstory.

It would be wise to immediately send samples in full quarantine to Russian medical researchers. Also attempt precautionary isolation of all those who contacted the crash site and victims. I realize this will be impossible, but try. It may gain you time. Pray it's not something airborne, that was spread on the winds from 30,000 feet high.

Document the state of the bodies, and begin public warnings that this may have been a biological attack, using the shootdown.

Are the identifiable bodies actually those on the passenger list? If yes, investigate their movements in the days prior to supposedly boarding the flight. They can't have been both dead on a gurney somewhere, while also taking a taxi to the airport. If they are NOT the passengers on the list, who are they? And where did the actual MH17 go?

Also collect serial numbered parts from the wreckage and check against aircraft timed-replacement maintenance records. Is that actually Flight MH17, or is this yet another swapped plane? For instance, that ex-Malaysian Airlines 777 that's been mysteriously warehoused in Israel since last year. Or even MH370?

Something horrific like this, is exactly what I'd expect from the US-Zionists.

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In light of that possibility, there's a new 'minor' detail which takes on great significance. See a reader post in this thread: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-19/full-passenger-and-cargo-manife...
"Interestingly there were exactly 9 years and 11 days inclusive between 7th July 2005 (London bombings) and 17 July 2014 (MH 17)
That's 9 11 between 7/7/7 and 7/17/7"

Naturally being a Cabal operation it *would* have their usual in-your-face numerological sgnature. Such arseholes. I really think they must have an iphone app or something, that shows 'numerologically auspicious days coming up' for use when planning what to do and when. Of course rational people don't believe the numerology actually means anything, and probably the Cabal doesn't either. It merely provides them a way to 'sign' their actions, as a sort of secret handshake among themselves. But for those of us who recognize they do it, it also provides an identifying marker on such events.

Given the huge significance if the bio-attack worry is true, I'm not surprised the shootdown turns out to have a high-level numerological association with previous major Cabal actions.

Another thought - if the downed plane wasn't the MH17 that took off, then Strelkov's assumption that it had to contain live and acting pilots is unsound.
Strelkov mentions the pilots must have been alive, citing that the cockpit wreckage was covered in their blood. But since it's established that all modern Boeing aircraft are equipped with the capability for remote programming of the autopilot via the transponder (which is a bidirectional radio modem), and the autopilot can totally fly the plane through all phases of flight including takeoff and landing, it's possible that live but unconscious pilots were placed in the cockpit before takeoff. Remember that the crashed plane might not be MH17, and therefore could have taken off somewhere else.

Long-dead passenger bodies at the crash site is one kind of mystery, long-dead bodies in the pilot seats is an entirely different kind of mystery and probably rather too revealing for even the Cabalists. They do like their remote controlled passenger jets; such a useful toy.

It may be significant that the Separatist forces have apparently suddenly (since Saturday 19th) closed access to the crash site. Perhaps they too have suspicions there may be contagious biohazards there?

References:
http://everist.org/archives/links/__20140717_MH17_shootdown_info.txt
http://everist.org/archives/links/__Flight_MH370_disappearance_links.txt
http://everist.org/archives/links/__Ebola_links.txt

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