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Are US Doors Really Open? A Quick Look At The "Other" Immigration

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Are US doors really open? A quick look at the ‘other’ immigration

"We live in a new and exceptional age. America is another name for Opportunity. Our whole history appears like a last effort of the Divine Providence in behalf of the human race." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Very much like Emerson, during this past week several prominent US politicians proclaimed that America is still the land of opportunity and that "our doors are open", pursuant to the unfortunate and even desperate situation that many would-be immigrants from Central America aiming to improve their lives by coming here now find themselves in.

Reading through the media coverage one might think that anyone wanting to come to the US can do so with relative ease. After all, there is an ongoing debate on providing amnesty to illegals and the system seems to be so overloaded at the border down south that why not just take your chances?

However, for skilled professionals and expats the reality is quite different. These days employment opportunities in the US need to be carefully balanced against subjecting yourself to US laws and regulations, some of which are unique in the developed world and can have serious consequences on your wealth, wellbeing and even personal freedoms.

I will provide some examples as a Canadian living in the US that other foreigners might relate to as well. Let me start by saying that despite what I have to say I greatly appreciate the chance to work here and, if anything, I hope that by sharing some facts and personal experiences this will encourage some reflection on the possible consequences of current immigration policies. After all, going forward Americans might need some help in paying for those burgeoning national debt, retirement and healthcare costs right? ;)

I will only focus on the major differences relative to other countries that I have experienced to date, from the vantage point of someone who has lived and worked in several countries across Europe and Asia in recent years. As such, I will disregard the difficulties in obtaining a foreign work permit, which right now are more or less prevalent across the globe given the general economic malaise.

Alright, so you got your US work visa sorted out. Well done. What can you expect going forward?

Traveling in and out of the US often? Your US experience starts at the border, and it can be a very unpleasant one for many, whether traveling for work or pleasure. In the current geopolitical environment border officials have a very important job to do and they should be praised for that. However, here are some personal examples that may make you question if this is how a person should be welcomed in any country. Clearing passport control in major US airports can take hours, which on top of a long distance flight is unpleasant to say the least. I recently had to wait three hours at Logan airport holding a jetlagged 9-year old asleep in my arms throughout – a grueling experience even if you are in good physical condition. Another time I had to walk to the border crossing in Vermont, where I was greeted by no less than five US border patrol officers running towards me ready to draw their guns (everyone drives through I guess). A warning to all you walking Canadians out there! Extensive interrogations covering every single aspect of your life and intimate searches are not uncommon either. I have never been subjected to any of this anywhere else in the world, quite the opposite in fact. For instance, in (prosperous) Singapore you are greeted with a smile, candy and a satisfaction survey!

What about taxes and regulations, are they worker friendly in the US? This one hits foreigners and Americans alike, but one of the things that amaze me is how high personal income taxes are in the US (and Federal and State deficits are still there). Accordingly, US enterprises must peddle harder to attract foreign talent here. And on top of that there are considerable administrative costs. When I lived in the UK filing tax returns cost me virtually nothing, as I could easily do everything on my own. In the US, having a good tax advisor – a very wise move in my opinion, because you will have to deal with a maze of Federal and State taxes, as well as rules that do not exist anywhere else – can cost thousands of dollars. And there’s also the FBAR, which requires disclosure of all your financial holdings offshore. Unless you're a pennyless immigrant, by definition you will have non-US assets that need to be disclosed the minute you become a US tax resident, otherwise you will be exposed to exorbitant IRS fines and even jail time. Your banker back home might also give you a hard time once they find out that you are a US resident (and I can only feel sorry for the 7.6m US expats who probably get the same reaction by their bankers abroad).

OK, you pay high taxes but you get something out of it right? In most if not all other high tax jurisdictions you have access to good basic education and healthcare at very affordable rates, so at least you can say you are getting something out of the taxes you pay. I personally don’t get this feeling in the US. Health insurance for individuals and families can cost thousands of dollars a month and I still can’t figure out why. OK, hospitals here may be the cat's meow, but I once had a US friend who broke his arm and because he was uninsured he had to pay thousands of dollars just for an x-ray. In Canada and in Europe this costs almost nothing. It's just an x-ray people!

Fine, but this is the land of the free! Let's leave aside all the government snooping which is a highly debated topic at the moment (the US is certainly not alone here) and in my view inevitable in some shape or form in the age of information. Here's a really troubling example of how the US views its foreigners. Unless you're a diplomat, any US visa holder – including green card holders – needs to report a change in residential address within ten days using form AR-11. Failure to do this is punishable by fine, imprisonment and/or removal from the US! So if you file, say, two days late in theory you might actually end up in jail. And that’s another thing I don’t quite understand about the US, namely how easy it is to do jail time here, as evidenced by the fact that about 7% of Americans are or have been in sing-sing.

Hmmm, but if you behave properly as an expat you have nothing to fear. OK, as a foreigner you need to know the laws of the host country. But you also have to know what to look for, particularly as in the US there are a range of post 9-11 laws which are unique in the free world. For all the trouble we get at the border, we could at least get a pamphlet stating that we need to comply with things like the FBAR and form AR-11. Not so unfortunately, which means that you may be treated like a criminal just because you failed to file a form you never heard of. In fact, many expats find out about these rules the hard way, exposing themselves to thousands of dollars in fines and related admin costs.

This may not be the intention of US policies, but it seems that foreigners seeking legal employment in the US are regarded as guilty until they can prove otherwise. A cynic might therefore say that we would be better off by running across the border down south and not dealing with all the hassle, or just stay at home. And he might be right.

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Addendum: So why bother coming to the US?

This is actually a great question. Given the foregoing, I suspect that US policymakers take immigration for granted and that people will always want to come here because “the US is the land of opportunity”. That may be true in many regards, but increasingly less so in a globalized world. For one, Americans themselves are renouncing their citizenship in record numbers, which is indicative that something is going amiss.

Therefore, perhaps with all the debate and even outrage going on regarding the current immigration situation, US policymakers and the public in general should all take a step back and reflect on where this is all going. Otherwise the international competitiveness of the US along with its prestige and intellectual capital may greatly suffer as a result.

As for the answer to that question, I can only offer my personal opinion on why I decided to do business here, in spite of opportunities elsewhere.

On balance I believe that America still offers many opportunities indeed. It’s a huge market, complete with an enterprising spirit and institutions that enforce the rule of law. That’s a solid foundation to begin with. Then you have incredible developments in technology and natural resources, like the shale boom, and that are unique anywhere in the world. The US is also catching up on environmental and health & safety regulations, which creates an opportunity to transfer know-how and expertise from other countries in these areas.

On the personal side, the food is excellent and affordable, there is great shopping to do and for the most part the weather is very pleasant (especially coming from Canada!). This is also the land of entertainment, and there's no shortage of fun stuff to do, including visiting the many beautiful cities, villages, beaches and the great outdoors. And the people... well, I really like Americans so I'm biased here. The US has an abundance of enterprising, optimistic, hardworking and fun loving people and it is a real pleasure interacting and doing business with them.

Above all, it is the system and way of life that Americans (and your ancestors coming from all sorts of places!) have created that is the most appealing to me, and perhaps the biggest reason why people come here. However, I get the sense that right now the US is going through a soul-searching period as a nation, on how you see yourselves, your values and beliefs and even your role in a rapidly changing world.

As Churchill once said, "Americans will always do the right thing once they run out of options". I just hope us foreigners will still be around to see it.

 

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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:14 | 4979960 Blazed
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"MS-13 Gang Members Allowed into U.S., but Ukrainian Woman Wife of Marine Veteran Thrown in Prison

A Ukrainian national is locked up in an Otero County prison after being detained at the Santa Teresa port of entry in southern New Mexico."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTT3NkQQFB4

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:16 | 4979965 Pool Shark
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Why immigration isn't the answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDceLiPLHWQ

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:18 | 4980154 chumbawamba
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Chuckle:

"...one of the things that amaze me is how high personal income taxes are
in the US (and Federal and State deficits are still there)."

People assume the taxes are collected to fund the programs that are in defecit.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:21 | 4980631 stacking12321
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a dumb sheeple wrote this:

" In the current geopolitical environment border officials have a very important job to do and they should be praised for that."

i have no respect for any idiot who would swallow this line, that the governemnt is here to protect you.

the scumbags in the government, including those at the border, have no interest in protecting or helping you, they are there to remind you who's in charge, to enforce controls over the people only.

eliminate the theft(taxes)/welfare system, and we won't have to worry about who comes and goes; the only ones coming in at that point will be those who come here to WORK for opportunity, rather than to soak up tax $.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:26 | 4980913 economics9698
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The cockroach class like a dirty kitchen/country.  The dirtier the better.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:31 | 4981346 The Alarmist
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It reads like someone who has something to say, but has two guys next to him saying, "Nice family you have there ... would hate to see anything happen to them." I feel for the greencard holders who spent countless hours and exhorbitant dollars to get "in" and are now watching the dregs of the earth get a free pass into the country.  Makes one consider joining Mark Sten's hypothetical lawsuit for unequal application of the laws.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:26 | 4982232 0z
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"America is another name for Opportunity."

Opportunity to displace, kill and enslave a hundred million indigeneous people, and take from them the lands they had kept mostly intact for millenias.

America is another name for Genocide.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:01 | 4982934 StandardDeviant
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Two - no, three - things to say to that:

1) He's Canadian.  Canadians are mostly polite, even when it's arguably unwarranted.

2) He's a guest in your country, and says he travels internationally quite frequently.  The last thing he needs is to get himself onto some TSA troublemaker list.

3) Automatic -1 for "sheeple".  Makes you sound like a smug idiot.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:33 | 4980204 fridgeman101
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Immigration has always been a positive trait of the USA. The problem isn't immigration but who we are letting in and their overall negative impact on the cities in this country. Plain and simply put immigration for the last 20 years should not be 75% Mexican and 25% everyone else. Favoring just Mexicans and letting them alone continue to illegaly enter this country in droves and then be granted amnesty is RACISM. Helping only spanish speaking peoples when they call customer service and having ONLY an option for Spanish besides English IS RACISM. The amount of people allowed to immigrate from countries should be evenly distributed and believe me there are many peoples that would love to come here. This country needs no immigration reform (which is just a catch phrase for rewriteing our existing laws to help the Mexicans- which is RACISM). If we need more immigrants in the US then raise the number of VISAs and green cards being given out- to all countrys. This is the only way immigration will truly be an asset to the USA.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:37 | 4980945 economics9698
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The problem with immigration is the 93 IQ lazy fucks looking for welfare.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:32 | 4981351 The Alarmist
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I would have thought 80 IQ, but we're quibbling over a minor detail here.  The point is that if you do not like representing the thinking of the electorate that you have, the easy way out is to source a new electorate.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:47 | 4982266 0z
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That's funny: 500 years ago, no one on the continent spoke Spanish or Engish. So if we killed all the English-speaking people in America, replaced them by Chinese-speaking people, would it be racism not to have English in the immigration forms?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:16 | 4980620 Pool Shark
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fridgeman:

Immigration was a positive trait of the USA, but since the advent of the 'Great Society' programs, it has become a disaster.

100 years ago, if you came to the USA, you had to assimilate into the culture and be productive. The alternative was starvation.

Today, we attract most of our immigrants the same way one attracts seagulls by throwing pretzels on the beach; far too many come solely for the free stuff and then crap all over us...

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:24 | 4982414 August
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To add to the anecdotes, I know plenty of MDs and PhDs who would love to move to the USA, but, of course, cannot do so.

America's future lies with drywall, landscaping and SNAP cards.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:15 | 4980624 AustriAnnie
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Amnesty would not be sought if there were not freebies to be had once here.  Remove the freebies, and you remove the freeloaders.

I have no problem with a foreigner coming here to work and be fully self-sufficient.  But that is not the case.  Regulations make it very difficult for someone trying to come here through legal means (cannot get hired without a visa, but cannot get a visa until you prove you are hired being one trap).  I have a friend who speaks 3 languages and has a brilliant mind for business.  But he had the play the "poor refugee" game in order to get in the gates, since trying to prove he could be self-sufficient didn't work.  Once here, ironically, he added enough value to his company to create job openings to hire a team of people under him (real productivity adds real value, so instead of competing with americans for jobs he actually ended up creating job openings for americans, who are now getting paid to learn from him instead of taking out massive student loans for the same education).

Alternatively, there is a great scam going where corporations get students on student visas to work for next to nothing, or for free, for "on the job work experience", then instead of hiring them full time and converting their visas to permanent-stay visas, they tell them they can't hire them, and instead take on the next round of free or low-cost student labor, one graduating class after another.  So these students never work long enough to pay back into the tax system.  They get scholarships at universities along with room and board, provide corporations with low-cost labor, and get sent back home.  The university system gets a cut, the corps get a cut.  Some students see it as a chance to vacation in the U.S., some actually want to learn and work but can't.  Its a twisted system full of misdirected incentives.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:47 | 4980068 nodhannum
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The reason why?  She is educated and most of all "white".  Can you imagine if she had bee a white South African.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:24 | 4980152 t0mmyBerg
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Funny you should mention that.  When I was a young attorney getting divorced in Chiago I put an ad for apartment sharing out there in the reader.  I eventually rented half the apartment to a white couple fleeing South Africa.  They had lived and run a restaurant in Cape Town but once the ANC took power it became too violent so they came here.

He was actually a long haired Argentinian jew named Enrique (pronouned endriquay) who had fled Peronist Argentina for a kibbutz in Israel after being detained by police then made his way to South Africa.  While there he fell in with his wife Lynn, a Dutch heritage Afrikaner.

I did the research to see about getting them on the path to citizenship in my firms law library.  There was essentially no legal way for them to enter the US (only about 10,000 general slots could be filled.  Those are filled by about january 2nd every year)  I then wrote to my former US Senator about getting some special legislation slipped into a bill as they sometimes do.  No deal.  Eventually they moved on and had a kid out west before I lost track of them.  Then they were deported, he to Argentina, she to South Africa I believe. 

I also had friends from work from Wales and Hong Kong, one with a wife and kids here.  They could not come in either.  Eventually I think the guy from Wales got in, after about 15 years and thousands of dollars.  I would be for amnesty for those that were here.  But we need to fix the law first.  Then you can really say, you have to come in the front door.  For this recent influx though, you have to send them out immediately.

Ttust me when I say our immigration law is severely messed up.

What I love about ZH though is this kind of article that looks at a topic from a different perspective.  Awesome.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:19 | 4980880 401K of Dooom
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No, the immigration laws are not messed up.  The enforcement and administration of said laws are messed up.  If you want to bring in your friends, hire them as employees of your own company or get them hired at some company under an I-140 petition.  Then submit an I-485 and make sure that they have not committed any Crimes Involving Moral Turpitude or Aggrivated Felonies at all.  They can immigrate but they need to follow the law.  Oh and they can apply for the diversity visas as well.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:56 | 4981800 t0mmyBerg
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Well no.  In my opinion it is the law that is fucked up.  There is essentially no general legal immigration.  10,000 people is nothing.  We could acculturate many many more than that.  We could argue about what that number is.  But unless you want to argue that 10,000 is the right number, it is the law that is messed up.  Immigration is in general a very very good thing.  Especially in a nation  of immigrants.  Economically it is obviously a good thing.  Culturally you have to be carerful and expect the immigrants to assimilate.  You also need to not have them all from the same place, which means you throttle the number from Mexico and other problem locations.  Though we also had a restaurant in Chicago and I can tell you that our best workers by far were kids coming in from Mexico City.  Ready to work, brought their chef knife to the interview, start the same day and can be relied upon wholly.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:15 | 4981294 migra
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The immigration laws for the most part are good. The total lack of enforcement by the pimps in DC who tell the United States Attorney's office to do nothing is the real problem. The Border Patrol, via worksite enforcement and employer mandatory prison time, could deport 20 million people in less than a year if the United States Attorney would prosecute people we arrest and present to them.  

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:18 | 4980156 DoChenRollingBearing
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If you are a CentAm gangbanger with no documents they let you in. *

If you are an educated productive professional, it is much harder.

 

 

* (Undocumented Democrat Voter)

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:49 | 4980283 RaceToTheBottom
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By playing Blue and red team nonsense you are promoting the present non solution.  

Reagan could have solved it in the 80s and dropped the ball because it suited the Palm Springs etc of the US to have low cost gardeners and laborers.

Since that time and probably before, both sides have sold themselves to the corporate solution.  

 

This is not a red/blue thingie

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:15 | 4980388 DaddyO
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While I understand and agree with your position on the red/blue paradigm, you grossly underestimate how the immigration fiasco will play out in november 2016.

All these current refugees will be goaded into voting for the team that will leave them and their benefits alone.

Let's see, which team will that be?

DoChen hit the nail precisely on the head!

DaddyO

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:20 | 4980636 Pool Shark
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Here's why nothing will ever be done about illegal immigration:

Republicans want cheap labor for their corporate overlords.

Democrats want voters.

Open Borders: something both parties can agree on...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:15 | 4982302 Hugh_Jorgan
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Republicans want cheap labor for their corporate overlords and something else to make Libertarians and Tea Partiers look racist.

Democrats want more ignorant voters and cheap labor for their corporate overlords.

There, fixed it for you...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:39 | 4984379 RaceToTheBottom
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"you grossly underestimate how the immigration fiasco will play out in november 2016."

We were already there with the size of the FSA.  Immigration argument is not needed.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:47 | 4980278 Laddie
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There is genocide going on against the White South Africans, who STARTED the nation, just a Whites STARTED America, both nations are eerily similar in their paths. And the same gang that runs Wall Street and Hollywood did that to the Whites in SA and to the Whites in the USA.
http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:51 | 4980511 ugmug
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I live near a major railroad line and for a couple of years I kept seeing old passenger rail cars going by my house. I thought that they were for a national evacuation of some sort. People thought that I was nuts. Now I realize that they were heading for Mexico to transport illegal immigrants through Mexico. This border crisis was YEARS in the planning!!!!!!!!!!!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:59 | 4980102 HeavydutyMexica...
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Stop whining like a little girl.    Viva La Raza Bitchez!   

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:20 | 4980157 El Vaquero
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Last time I crossed the border into the US from Mexico was the summer before 9/11.  I did so on foot  There was a long corridor that was empty, so myself and a few others just walked on through.  Finally, we got to a place where there was a hall adjoining the corridor, and some guy in an office chair rolled out of his office and asked "Y'all American citizens?"  We answered "Yup!"  He said, "OK, have a nice day!" and wheeled back into his office.  Given the bullshit that I'm hearing today, if I went down to Mexico (I wouldn't because it's a fucking narco-state,) I'd probably just go find a break in the fence somewhere when coming back up.  It works for the Mexicans, why not Americans?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:23 | 4979988 TheObsoleteMan
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It depends on what group you belong to. Thanks to the 1965 Jarvis Law, whites of European heritage are strictly controlled, while all others are welcomed with open arms {and wallets}. The less educated and more impoverished the better, as far as policy makers are concerned.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:51 | 4980301 Laddie
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"Something is happening: we are becoming the first universal nation in history ... If you believe, as the author does, that the American drama is being played out toward a purpose, then the non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality."

Ben Wattenberg, The Good News Is The Bad News Is Wrong (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1984), p. 84.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:27 | 4980453 LibertarianMenace
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What purpose does "the author" see and alude to, that correlates with the "transcendental quality" of non(he really means de)-Europeanizing this country? Protection is sought in the numbers of others, perhaps, giving outfits like the KKK bigger fish to fry? In other words, cannon fodder. Curious, who was behind that '65 law? 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:31 | 4980469 dizzyfingers
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"1965 Jarvis Law..."  Link with details?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:52 | 4980616 New World Chaos
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I know a Pole who is a brilliant scientist.  He was in America for a long time (at least six years) but when his project ended, immigration told him to get out.  The bureaucrats treated him with callous indifference.  Maybe it's because there was no box to tick with "only person in the world who has an algorithm that can do XXX".  Maybe some useful idiots saw him as competing with Americans, whereas a Mexican who comes for free shit doesn't compete at all.  More likely, there was a high placed traitor who set the traps to catch people like him. 

He wasn't too upset.  He didn't try to jump through some hoops that might have led to an extension.  After years of listening to me, he kinda knew he had to leave anyway.  Last I heard, he had started a tech company and grown it to medium size.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:24 | 4979993 alexcojones
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This writer quotes Churchill on doing the Right thing? Fuck Churchill.

Churchill allowed/ encouraged the Fire bombing of Dresden, filled with civilian refugees, just weeks before the end of the war. More than 40,000 deaths.

BTW, Today is July 20. In 1944, some patriots tried to overthrow their government. RIP.

20 July plot -
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:22 | 4980166 chumbawamba
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I agree absolutely.  Fuck Churchill and the cunts that keep quoting him like he's some kind of fucking genius.  He was a drunken cowardly racist piece of shit, and millions needlessly died because of him.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:23 | 4980173 DoChenRollingBearing
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On the other hand, he did nicely insult the ugly Lady Astor (yes, when he was drunk).

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:21 | 4980637 Jackagain
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Sadly though he was too drunk to realize that he was ugly too.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:14 | 4982207 jez
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You realise that Winston Churchill was half-American, right?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:30 | 4980467 Excursionist
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And that, folks, is Peyton Manning-caliber Monday morning quarterbacking!

Churchill just knew that the end of the war was around the corner, and because he really, really had a hard on for slaughtering thousands of civilians, he just had to fry 'em.

Ditto for Roosevelt I guess...  because the Japanese were a reasonable lot back then, believing in a divine emperor who could do no wrong, and they would have listened to reasonable arguments to end the war.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:35 | 4980673 Urban Redneck
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The Morgenthau Plan, which Churchill came around to, was explicitly about revenge against civilian populations (and legal enslavement of anyone unfortunate enough to be drafted).

Monday morning quarterbacking, perhaps a bit... but the bloodlust was quite real and is a well established fact.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:48 | 4980739 Excursionist
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From Wikipedia:

"The contemporary historical assessment is that the Morgenthau Plan was of no significance for later occupation and policy in Germany, but that Nazi propaganda on the subject had a lasting effect and that it is still used for propaganda purposes by extreme right wing organizations."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:13 | 4981334 Urban Redneck
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You're quoting Ziopedia... Jewy Wales' personal Harbara front?

Seriously,

1) Read the actual Morganthau Plan document (it's all over the internet)
2) Read Patton's diaries (the National Archives and FDR papers collection have a ton more material, but that takes time)
3) Compare the dates of the German surrender with the launch of the Marshall Plan (several YEARS later and down the road to full implementation , the zionist untermenschen can't lie and misconstrue their way out of the actual passage of time and progress of implementation).

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:19 | 4982998 StandardDeviant
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Please go crawl back under your rock.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:14 | 4984240 Urban Redneck
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Not only No, but HELL NO!

FACTS and REASON are like cryptonite to zioturds, hezbollatards, ukey-nazis, and even old school nazis.

If Jimmy wants to be respected, then perhaps he shouldn't prostitute the notion of information (as knowledge doesn't come from a book) and manipulate the access to information for political purposes.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:24 | 4979994 potato
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I am starting an outdoor-aventure company for adrenaline junkies.

The first "tour" is a ground crossing of the southern border. It is only for US-passport-holders, and it involves crossing the border from Mexico into the USA while carrying legal small arms.

It could be wildly profitable as you're assured of having your civil liberties violated and can sue.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:20 | 4980160 DoChenRollingBearing
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Or you could make a ton of money with Eric Holder's written approval and references to the "right people"...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:24 | 4980176 Emergency Ward
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"Be a Mule For Eric" thrill expedition.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:24 | 4980169 Emergency Ward
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Aw heck potato, the real thrill would be crossing the other way!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:24 | 4979995 observer007
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MH17 passenger manifest

latest number of passengers and their nationalities of those on-board MH17

http://homment.com/mh17passang

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:23 | 4980168 DoChenRollingBearing
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^---  This is a great example why the Internet is of great value, thanks for sharing.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:28 | 4980009 BrigstockBoy
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A LinkedIn article from a guy who was previously in the M&A group at Citigroup? Is Tyler just promoting a diversity of opinion? Why not send this guy a nail gun as a parting gift?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:30 | 4980013 disabledvet
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I see Flint, Michigan is next up for Bankruptcy.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:41 | 4980048 joethegorilla
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Bankruptcy will be a very positive thing for Flint.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:46 | 4980053 One And Only
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"OK, you pay high taxes but you get something out of it right? In most if not all other high tax jurisdictions you have access to good basic education and healthcare at very affordable rates, so at least you can say you are getting something out of the taxes you pay."

Correct. As an American tax payer you don't get anything. As an American you pay for the education and health care of illegal immigrants and for the benefits of those who choose not to work. You also get a good police force that will harass you everywhere you go and arrest you for things like having plants (marijuana). As an illegal immigrant you also get nice things like this http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-16/outrage-follows-report-governme....

It's a pretty good system if you're not American. If I could renounce my citizenship and live here illegally I would.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:46 | 4980063 boattrash
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Read this before you flip out on me.

I do see a need for Immigration Reform, but Amnesty is NOT reform.

Case in point, while working out of Port Fourchon, LA, I've gotten to know a really good lady that came from Mexico "the right way". It took her 16 years to be granted citizenship. She had been in the system, working on it properly for 9 yr when Sept 11, 2001 rolled around. This event caused a shit-canning of all applications.

On her new application, it took an additional 7 years to be granted citizenship.

This is just one example of several. It just goes to show you that the problem at the border is a total fabrication (as if we didn't all know it) for nefarious goals, from our "Friends on both sides of the aisle in DC".

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:55 | 4980090 One And Only
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"I do see a need for Immigration Reform"

Yes. Anyone caught living here illegally gets a plane ticket to Liberia.

Now that's reform I can get behind.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:24 | 4980175 boattrash
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"I do see a need for Immigration Reform"

Yes. Anyone caught living here illegally gets a plane ticket to Liberia.

Now that's reform I can get behind.

Damn straight! And the ticket should be paid for with $ earmarked for their home country's Foreign Aid, to assure a "Deficit Neutral Plan" like Obama's words on Obamacare.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:58 | 4980095 Dr. Engali
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I'm with you there. I know plenty of hard working individuals who have been trying to work within the system for years to become citizens, and they keep getting the run around. It's fucking ridiculous how hard it is for them.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:20 | 4980159 Surging Chaos
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Exactly. Like pretty much anything else the government touches, legal immigration is nothing but a bureaucratic nightmare.

If I was a Mexican trying to come to the US and immigrate "the right way", I would probably take one look at all the red tape, say "fuck it" and just come illegally.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:49 | 4980072 Emergency Ward
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When will Mejico open its doors to norteamericanos seeking a better life south of the border?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:10 | 4981078 tvdog
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There are lots of Americans living illegally in Mexico now. Mexico doesn't much care - they bring money into the country.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:00 | 4980104 Catullus
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Immigration with the welfare state is one of the huge drawbacks to democracy. Why? Because ye ole representative in the government stays in power by being re-elected. Because of this one person, one vote nonsense, they don't care about the quality of person entering their jurisdiction, just the quantity. They'd rather promise welfare to the new unwashed mob than higher quality working professionals or intellectuals or artisans.

Even under monarchy, the king or queen keeps out the mob. And they try to retain the intellectuals and artisans and working professionals because they increase the value of their domain. Your congress critter couldn't give a shit. They just want a new victim class to vote for them.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:05 | 4980113 kchrisc
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With the situation the way it is only a fool comes to the DC US to live and work or even to visit.

Those coming to work, legal or otherwise, are going to be trapped and swallowed by the police-state as the Petro$ evaporates.

All the "illegals" are going to be some sad bastards when they find the DC US blaming them for the DC US’ destruction of the economy while at the same time exploiting the hell out of them—it’s a trap.

And tourists?! Just look at the nightmare at the airports and borders--you are not welcome so go somewhere else. Do you really want to be tazered, shot, mugged or incarcerated the DC US' gulag?! Go somewhere else.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:50 | 4980752 Creepy Lurker
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I prefer Mordor On The Potomac.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:07 | 4980120 25or6to4
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"On the personal side, the food is excellent..." Are you kidding me? I guess if you love GMO and hormone/anti bacterial laced food. American food is the worst in the western world hands down if not entire world. Our obesity and health(sick) care reflect this.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:09 | 4980610 Whatchamacallit
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Well, when all you have to eat is moose and berries ...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:17 | 4980149 Oscar
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New website with nice gold & silver analysis

http://www.goldsqueeze.com/

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:15 | 4980625 Jackagain
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:21 | 4980164 QQQBall
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The inmigration is a flood, but there is a stealth move to leave. My youngets lives overseas and my eldest child is figuring out how to move to Europe where he studied. I have many friends considering moving overseas and not coming back - one just took a trip to Chile. If you sold out your investment real estate and/or have little exit tax liability, then your decision is simply where you want to live and income tax on WW income plays a factor.  So you move tO USSA and become a citizen - you will pay taxes for life (and beyond). Mexico is a shithole or corruption and shares a USSA border - if mexico shared a border with Canada, the Canucks would have the problem instead of us. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:59 | 4980330 RaceToTheBottom
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The immigration outside the US will only increase.  

I feel growth with the US is stagnating and future growth will be international.  US firms and others will invest to support that growth.  Being international allows your kids to be part of that..

And it is not just the youngsters, I am 55 and looking to leverage my fathers roots internationally....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:44 | 4980522 Excursionist
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Exit taxes come into play if:

1. You wish to retain the option of coming back to the U.S. for non-tourist purposes;

2. You are unable to bank with a local institution that has no exposure to the U.S. system.

Otherwise, liquidate your assets, wire the money to the local bank in the foreign jurisdiction and just leave.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:45 | 4980722 Villageidiot777
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It is a good thing that USSA keep its citizen uneducated. There are not too many places where you can go without skills and relying being from USSA is enough. Asia used to be place to go if you wanted easy job to teach english, but market is filled already. Many european countries are asking for university degree to even consider if you can apply for immigration.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:34 | 4980185 Laddie
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Each year over one MILLION LEGAL immigrants, 95% from Asia, Africa, and Latin America, come into the USA. This does not count so-called Chain Immigration aka family reunification which can include GRANDPARENTS. Then there are refugees, and all the alphabet VISAS granted to, primarily Asians, so they can take White Americans jobs, see H1-B visa as an example.

"We are the only country in history that ever deliberately changed its ethnic makeup, and history has few examples of 'diversity' creating a stable society."
- Richard Lamm, former Democratic Governor of Colorado

"The fact is that the Democratic party is made up of lots of different people, and we’re all minorities in our party. That’s the way it’s been for a long, long time. We’re the party of opportunity. So the demographic trends favor the Democrats.

If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic Party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in the [laughs] Republican Party."

National Public Radio on Friday, August 15, 2008, Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee

There are various names for the ideology of the elite. Some call it “political correctness.” Others call it “Cultural Marxism.” But the labels don’t matter as long as one understands what is going on: the ruling elites are waging a cultural and racial war against Western values, Western civilization, and particularly Western man, i.e., the white man. In the name of the feel-good mantras of diversity and multiculturalism, all the values of traditional white civilization have been declared bad and everything opposed to them declared good. Every idea, attitude, and institution that protects the white race and promotes its continued existence is being destroyed, as a precondition for the physical destruction of the race itself. No arena of life is spared this agenda’s icy grip. Every movie, television show, news story, book, and sermon must advance it, under the watchful eye of an army of censors and snitches demanding unyielding fidelity to the agenda. No argument or evidence is allowed to challenge it.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:46 | 4980979 25or6to4
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1000 up arrows to you Laddie. This is a systematic plan for the entire western (white) civilization. What galls me the most are the brainwashed self hating whites that go along and support these policies on both side of the pond. Just stick a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger if you hate yourself that much and leave the rest of us alone.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:36 | 4981575 BernankeHasHemo...
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And a Seig Heil to you too.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:32 | 4980203 Laddie
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And another feature of immigration:

http://cis.org/all-employment-growth-since-2000-went-to-immigrants

Net employment growth in the United States since 2000 has gone entirely to immigrants, legal and illegal.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:35 | 4980216 Duffy Duck
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All I know is there are suburbs in this country absolutely transformed, just in the past 10 or so years, by white collar immigrants from India, where, when the buses pulls up to the train station, you'd think you're in Delhi.

 

Perfectly nice, hardworking, family people.  But the idea the corporation in question was unable to find a native-born American qualified to do the work is pretty much horseshit.  Where I work now, they have a constant presence of IT temps, native born, who can't find permanent work.  It's unlikely they'd be hired as contractors for the particular firm if they didn't have above-average education and a squeaky clean background check.

It certainly sounds "tin foily" but I think there is a concerted effort to make the U.S. more "multicultural" - no white majority - and you can take your pick as to what 'ism' might, if true at all, be benefitted.  The same process is happening in Europe and Australia.

And it always seems to be the same people, always a wealthy and disproportionately powerful political and media force in all these places, who are calling for relatively open borders.  Most immigrants are hard-working and just want a better life.  However, they also don't give a particular shit about, say, Sweden's history, or customs, or religion, and will soon enough form nations within these nations, demanding services in their own language, subsidized cultural centers, and so forth.

 

And some people will always show up to claim that the native European people, in essence, have no right to wish to remain the majority in their own homeland {but their own group not only has a right to an exclusive homeland, but the right to live anywhere they please in Europe ( !!! ). The stunning racialist arrogance of this woman, for example, has been broached here before.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:08 | 4980359 Laddie
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"It certainly sounds "tin foily" but I think there is a concerted effort to make the U.S. more "multicultural" - no white majority - and you can take your pick as to what 'ism' might, if true at all, be benefitted. The same process is happening in Europe and Australia."

This was by design, and your points are all on target, here is a clue as to who is behind it in all White nations and who benefits:

"The strengthening of multicultural or diverse Australia is also our most effective insurance policy against anti-Semitism. The day Australia has a Chinese Australian Governor General I would feel more confident of my freedom to live as a Jewish Australian."
--Miriam Faine, editorial committee member of the Australian Jewish Democrat

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:14 | 4980381 MATA HAIRY
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It certainly sounds "tin foily" but I think there is a concerted effort to make the U.S. more "multicultural" - no white majority -

 

really? Do you think the sky is blue, too? Look, immigration is growth, and our corporate/plutocrat masters are all about growth. Also, diversity is strength...for the corporate/plutocrat masters, but weakness for the workers. Diversity creates factions, and factions destry unity. A divided populace cannot unite against the corporate/plutocrat masters.

Multiculturalism makes the rich richer. Growth. Cheap labor. Divided populace.


and you can take your pick as to what 'ism' might, if true at all, be benefitted.  The same process is happening in Europe and Australia.

And it always seems to be the same people, always a wealthy and disproportionately powerful political and media force in all these places, who are calling for relatively open borders.

 

Sigh...always the same grasping for the obvious straws. Go a little deeper. Looking at the link you provided, it seems that you think a certain semitic ethnic group is behind the drive for multiculturalism. Look, if a man shoots someone with a gun, it's not the gun's fault. It's the man's fault. THat particular ethnic group got education early. And they came up with ideas and got rich. But the rich, the corporate/plutocrat masters, they are behind multiculturalism. That ethnic group you accuse is simply the tool the rich are using and have used. If that ethnic group disappeared tomorrow, completely, the corporate/plutocrat masters would still be cramming multiculti propaganda down our throats and would still be paying off the politicians to make sure mass immigration continues. 

Look a little deeper next time.

 


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:05 | 4980594 windcatcher
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Treasonous “open border” secret trade agreements of the North American Union is nothing new, the plan has been on the books, funded and underway for the last 13 years. The target of “open border” illegal immigration is to destroy our American Sovereignty and American Independence with government and NGO funded and orchestrated attacks on our borders with the use of illegal immigrants. The second objective is to create civil unrest and chaos which the criminals in Washington specialize in.

 

I know most Americans cannot believe that the attack on 9/11/01 was an “inside Job” that orchestrated us into national debt with “terrorist wars” for the last 13 years. They cannot believe that our Representative Republic, constitutional democracy (government of, for and by the People) has been purposely destroyed and replaced with a totalitarian fascist police state.

 

Americans cannot believe that our Free Enterprise System of capitalism (free from corporate monopoly) and “Fair Trade” has been destroyed by “Free Market” monopoly corporatism and “Free Trade” (multinational corporate monopolies are free to steal what ever they want, from whom ever they want, and do it legally).

 

Americans cannot believe that Washington would purposelessly bankrupt the USA. Debt is Wealth, they have been brainwashed to believe, --as we go underwater.

 

Mission Accomplished! Bush/Obama/banksters and crew!!!!

 

Our democracy is gone, our Free Enterprise System of capitalism is gone. We are bankrupt! The grand ole United States of America, like Greece, Portugal and others is going into receivership of the BIS and the IMF (same criminal banksters). At that point, we are no longer an independent and sovereign nation and you and your children, as citizens, are legal debt slaves to the global central banksters.

 

The illegal immigration attack coincides with the UN Agenda 21st. Century attack and the North American Union attack that are sponsored by the same criminal banksters.

 

 

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:41 | 4980700 New World Chaos
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Repost from last night.  A lot of what you said matches an alleged leak by a 4-star general:

-The Mexican invasion will only get worse.  It's part of a plan to cause economic collapse and social chaos, and make it easier to bring about the North American Union.

-The dollar will be shunned by the end of 2015.

-America will cease to exist in 2017.  They will close the exits shortly thereafter.

-They are planning mass slaughter of Americans.  Mercs, drones, indirect kill, biowarfare (incl. pneumonic plague), sink anyone who tries to escape.

-They go to Orwellian lengths to make sure the drone operators do not grow a conscience.

-When he refused to swear that he would kill Americans on US soil, goons escorted him out of his office and TPTB started fucking with his life.  To any high-ranking officers out there, which would be the greater sin:  Violating an oath made to people who laugh at their own oaths, or failing to infiltrate a conspiracy to kill tens of millions of Americans?  Note:  The oath is just the beginning.  At some point they will ask you to do something truly evil.  They only trust sociopaths.  So maybe don't even take their oath, or take it but then start taking names and making bugout plans.  Let your conscience be your guide.

http://www.silverdoctors.com/the-guerrilla-economist-vs-interview-with-4...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:07 | 4980605 nickt1y
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If it was white conservative cannucks crossing the border, Commandante Cero would have them secure in a jiffy.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:12 | 4980615 Jackagain
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The door is only open for Mexicans who of course all vote Democrat (voter registration or not). Sometimes twice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnkSXosZhic

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:18 | 4980632 Whatchamacallit
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All I can say is, being a legal alien going back and forth to Europe fairly often, is that there's only ONE instance where the officer (checking my passport, taking a pict of my irises and fingerpriting me --- yes, you have to go through all this every time), only ONE officer was nice to me. The others? They were looking at me with ... a kind of hatred. Even that time when I told them I had been in France to bury my mother. That's the part of my trips I dread the most.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:35 | 4981731 Alex DeLarge
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 This has been the experience of my wife as well. I get her a tourist visa so we can visit my family here in the States. The various consulates we have had to deal with over the years have been horrendous. Any American that thinks our embassies around the world are there to help you, think again.

 I once had an immigration officer ask me why I didn't just get my wife an immigrants visa instead of all the tourist visas. I replied to him that we have no intention to live in the U.S. You would have thought that I had called his mother a whore. 

 As a side note I was in San Diego three weeks ago on business. I had a free day and thought to hop down to Tijuana for lunch and to see what it was like. Huge mistake. There is a line at least a half a mile long to get back into the U.S. I was just about the only Anglo in the line. It took about 4 hours to get back into the U.S legally. I would never attempt such a thing again. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:02 | 4982175 Zeta Reticuli
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I travel a lot in mostly China and that part of the world lately. At airports I deal with professional and friendly people. At JFK, it's a different story. Even if they didn't wear uniforms, it would be easy to spot the TSA employees. They are definitely from the underclass, very similar to trailer trash. They are people who never travel, who you would never see at an airport. Does NYC have trailer parks?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:42 | 4980959 Goldilocks
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Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. - Winston Churchill

If you're going through hell, keep going. - Winston Churchill

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. - Winston Churchill

A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty. - Winston Churchill

Never, never, never give up. - Winston Churchill

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. - Winston Churchill

It is no use saying, 'We are doing our best.' You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary. - Winston Churchill

Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few. - Winston Churchill

Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. - Winston Churchill

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:50 | 4981228 Herdee
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The U.S. needs more immigration and especially the Government needs to be bringing in more people from Mexico,South America,Afria,SE Asia.The truth is,who else is going to work at all the poorly paying jobs that exist now.How many Americans do you see working in California agriculture out in the fields?Nobody right.Look at the corporate bullshit you see on the news: WalMart hires war vets from Afgan-Land","McDonald hires vets with pride." Ya,it's minimum wage and it's slavery.The only Americans that work at all these shit jobs are those that are hard up financially or can't find a goddam thing that's worthwhile.The Washington politicians sold out America to Communist China in order to finance their stupid wars and be the worlds' policeman.The government has destroyed society.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:32 | 4981560 BernankeHasHemo...
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I read all these anti-immigrant comments on ZH from scared little weasels and I wonder so this is what we've come to. A bunch of losers shitting their pants because la raza is coming to claim what was once theirs anyway. What's wrong, pendejos? You can't speak Spanish? Instead of whining about it like little bitches why not just learn Spanish and embrace the future. It's going to happen with or without you anyway.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:56 | 4982164 Zeta Reticuli
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All that land in the Southwest was stolen from Mexico in a war. Now it is being taken back in a different kind of war. In many cities and towns there are more Mexican kids than white or black together. If their average age is ten, that means in 8 years they can vote or run for office. Soon they will be the city managers, mayors, state senators and representatives, board of ed members, etc. It's all happening soon.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:42 | 4982427 August
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I downvoted you for obvious reasons. Still, I have to admit that the Anglo-Latin Condominium of North America is a done deal, and there will not, and cannot, be any roll-back.

If you are raising kids in the USA, you're a fool if you don't see that they learn Spanish.  Of course, you're likely a fool anyway, if you're raising kids in the USA (I do stipulate that there are exceptions).

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:23 | 4981698 Obamanism
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My Father had to go to a 3 week "conference" in Eastern Germany in 1985, it was part of an exchange program his company did every year. he was given some tipps before he went. 1. Take lots of 1 dollar bills as there were many Admin fees to pay that were strangely ending in 3 dollars... 33 dollars for entry, 13 dollars toll for.... etc, the scam was the tourist hands over $20 bill and the Official says sorry no change and you are rushed through. Having the 1 dollar bills allowed you to have the right money. He was told that the best way to smuggle things like cigarettes and instant coffee etc (gifts for your host) was to have them in your overcoat pockets as the Guards search your luggage but not you. TSA   eat your heart out. He was always told to expect a Stasi watch dog to be following him around but to think of them as personal bodyguards as they usually stopped you from being mugged a lot better than our NSA. The last thing he was told was to try bring back East German Marks as the exchange rate would be converted at West German rates as most currency swap shops were unaware there was 2 types of German Marks. Ahh life would be better in old eastern Germany than modern day USA.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:13 | 4982026 jonjon831983
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Saw the picture of the lady doing the V sign:

"However, if the outside of your hand is facing your target, you’re giving somebody a long-established insult inGreat Britain and many English-speaking countries such as Australia,Ireland and New Zealand. Winston Churchill famously used the ‘incorrect’ version of the V sign during the early years of the war, switching round later when he’d been told by his advisors that he wasn’t exactly giving the lower social orders a positive message. The V sign is also considered rude in Italy, especially if you place your nose between the two fingers, making the gesture resemble a crude vagina."

http://www.languagetrainers.co.uk/blog/2007/09/24/top-10-hand-gestures/

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:12 | 4982202 windcatcher
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The target of “open border” illegal immigration is to destroy our American Sovereignty and American Independence with government and NGO funded and orchestrated attacks on our borders with the use of illegal immigrants. The second objective is to create civil unrest and chaos which the criminals in Washington specialize in.

 

If people think that the attack on our sovereignty and independence with the use of illegal immigration is for the sake of the poor South American children, they should think again.

 

Today a young American person that is 26 years old was only 13 years old and in the 7th. Grade in Elementary School when the (inside job) 9/11/01 attacks occurred. We have been fighting endless “terrorist wars” for the last 13 years that were financed by national debt. The entire time between childhood to young adult the USA has been at war and the child has been United Nations globalized brainwashed and uneducated (no classic education in science and humanities).

 

Today, the USA is ranked 22 out of a possible 23 advanced countries in classic science and education, In JFK's time, we were number 1 in the world in science and education; that is quite a slide isn’t?

 

Sad is it not? The zombie generation they call them, designed for the future totalitarian police state that are brainwashed to hate “Democracy, Freedom, Free Enterprise capitalism and Independence”.

 

What about the poor children in Iraq that are now 26 years old with nearly half of their lives ruined by war and destruction. They are caught by the insanity of war and must fight to live.

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:25 | 4982322 the0ther
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God Damn the USSA. what happened to my fucking country?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:20 | 4982399 DeusHedge
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America beats the internet as a country. That's why I hope my neighbys don't pass me by when the trash finally has it's effect. Btw, RIP criminal Russia and fascist Asia with US labor productivity and investment. Nice to know you, you can get your internet back when we sweep the last pile of ashes from the streets of your countries.

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