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Biggest Dutch Daily Calls For NATO Intervention To Protect MH17; Feinstein Tells Putin To "Man Up And Confess"

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Shortly after we first reported about the MH-17 tragedy, we said that the key variable would be proving who the shooter was, as the grand fingerpointing theater was about to begin. We also noted that the actual answer to "who did it" was irrelevant, for the great propaganda machine had already made up its mind and was on overdrive. It promptly led to such ridiculous comments from non other than the Pentagon which said that, on one hand:


and yet:


So, "we don't know who did it" as long as Putin did it.

As expected, the narrative that the jet was shot down over Ukraine by Putin promptly became the go to version of the western media, and in the absence of actual facts, the appeal to emotions took over and quickly hit a fever pitch. Below is a sampling of some UK newspaper front pages. Clearly, facts be damned, the media knows all already.

In fact, one needs do nothing more than listen to that supreme "the NSA spying is good for you" demagogue, Dianne Feinstein, to know that the "west" is by now convinced the propaganda was has been won. To wit, from Telegraph:

Dianne Feinstein, chairman of the US Senate Intelligence Committee, has urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to "man up" and admit Russia made a mistake.


She told CNN: "I think this has become a huge human drama, and I think the nexus between Russia and the separatists has been established very clearly, so the issue is where is Putin?


"I would say, 'Putin, you have to man up. You should talk to the world. You should say, if this is a mistake, which I hope it was, say it.


"I think the world has to rise up and say we've had enough of this.


"You cannot let this kind of thing happen, and Russia continues to prepare it for the next strike down of a civilian plane. There will be repercussions from this."

But if the "facts" were so overwhelmingly against the separatists, why does it matter if Putin admits? After all it would surely assist the demonization campaign against Russia if the former KGB spy kept up his version of events.

So facts be damned, everyone in the west, from the most crony politician to the biggest tabloid has "undisputed" proof Putin did it. But what now: what is the endgame?

Once again the answer is simple: Western military intervention, this time in the conflict zone, under the guise of public anger against Putin, to reinforce the dwindling Ukraine army forces and to repel the separatists, in the process regaining the critical industrial regions of Ukraine which also are the location of vast natural gas deposits. Certainly showing to Gazprom just who was in charge of this key natural gas nexus wouldn't hurt either. After all the west has already invested so much in the current Ukraine government, it can't all be for nothing.

And we know that because a few hours ago, the biggest Dutch newspaper, Telegraaf, openly asked for military intervention by NATO to protect MH 17 and calls Putin a "KGB liar."

So what happens next? Well, since no crisis should ever be put to waste (especially a crisis created by the same entities who end up benefiting the most from it) the big push over the next week will likely involve setting the stage for the Western arrival (led by NATO or some other grand Western alliance) to secure the MH-17 site, to repel the separatists, and to reinforce armed forces that, courtesy of extensive CIA intervention in recent months, are aligned with said "reinforcers", all the while further provoking Putin and Russia, leading to even more sanctions and countersanctions.

To all those who see this as nothing but a deja vu of the Syrian fiasco scenario that unwound over the past two years with such unprecedented humiliation for the US State Depratment, you are not alone.


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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:28 | 4980181 observer007
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MH17 Passenger Manifest:

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:34 | 4980212 outofideas
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I'm beginning to wonder how much add space is Putin buying from ZH lately.

It's not that the US is a beacon of honesty, but Putin shouldn't really be anyone's hero or his word taken at face value anymore then Feistneins.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:36 | 4980218 chunga
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If you don't like what tyler is saying all the other news sites have the exact opposite.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:42 | 4980237 The Juggernaut
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MH-17 had approximately 100 AIDS scientists on their way to an AIDS conference in Melbourne, Austrialia. If anyone was near an AIDS cure it would have been one of these reknowned scientists who were murdered.  LOOK IT UP PEOPLE!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:44 | 4980249 ZerOhead
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Are you blaming Christian Fundamentalists for the shootdown?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:45 | 4980258 The Juggernaut
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LOL nah  Pharm companies.  Look up "Joep Lange."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:45 | 4980266 COSMOS
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LOL any more doubts about this being a false flag operation to save the Dollar and the Euro Empire.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:49 | 4980282 The Juggernaut
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Ya.... At least this resolved two "problems."


  1. A cure for AIDS
  2. Admiration for Putin

USA gov't is scrambling now.  The People should be stocking up.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:54 | 4980311 BaBaBouy
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""openly asked for military intervention""

Could Someone Remind These IDIOTS That Russai Could Wipe Out The US In A Matter Of Minutes Not Hours...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:57 | 4980317 kliguy38
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and you think they care.........they're taking orders . When you look at Feinstein, think of an arm stuck up her ass moving her mouth for her........

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:06 | 4980356 Pinto Currency
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Await the next challenge to Russia, China, India, etc.

It's not over by a long shot.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:18 | 4980397 strannick
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Duplicity and deceit is nothing new from Western governments. Good thing Putin is a hard ass who loves his people. God bless Vladamir Putin.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:22 | 4980424 BaBaBouy
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I Wouldn't Go That Far...

Apparently He's Worth Between $40 & $80 BILLION Fiats Paper.

Love Of Money My Friend...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:25 | 4980442 strannick
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Really? He told you that? Or is that where the "apparently" comes in?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:41 | 4980512 chumbawamba
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Hey, maybe the New York Times will call for NATO intervention in Gaza to protect the occupied people there that are currently under assault.


I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:52 | 4980548 chumbawamba
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Hey, maybe the New York Times will call for NATO intervention to punish Israel for being in continuous violation of literally dozens of United Nations resolutions dating back to it's inception in 1948.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:56 | 4980565 chumbawamba
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Hey, maybe the New York Times will announce that scientists have found a cure for gullibility to propaganda.  The complicated procedure involves unplugging your television, cancelling all your newspaper and magazine subscriptions, and figuring things out for yourself.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:03 | 4980591 benb
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Post of the day!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:33 | 4980668 BuddyEffed
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I'm going to observe that the lack of commercial flights over and into Ukraine will only hurt their weak economy even further.   And I'm going to posit that any serious clashing of forces in the area could easily put the Ukraine economy into the same boat as Haiti.  Hard to recover from a destroyed economy anywhere when the whole world is suffering from weak economies, and lack of real surplus to share.  For their people, the current economy may be as good as it gets, and downward changes will only be quickly lamented, and lamented for a very long time afterwards. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:39 | 4980689 espirit
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Putin prolly thinks Feinswine speaks for the people.

We are soooo... fucked.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:46 | 4980730 AssFire
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Zactly, Feinswine makes a lot of sense, all would be like no foul if:

Russia apologized and we did our part by renaming the Redskins and embracing Michelle's "let move" physical fitness campaign.

We also need to start saying a bunch of catch phrases like "yes we can".

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:49 | 4981413 jaap
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Listened this evening to todays no agenda show and heared for the first time some convincing analyses about the shooting. Yes, I now believe a rocket has been shot. It is all related to this document by the German Traffic and Broadcasting department:

Since the beginning of June this has been going on and it makes it possible for fighter jets to spoof military registration indicators on commercial airliners. It also explains the news that started that time that airliners disappeared from radar (remember).

This part of the analyses starts at 1h and 10 minutes in the show:

btw, worth listening to the whole thing ofcourse



Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:29 | 4982333 Tompooz
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Bingo! Boom shagalaga.

In de morgen, Jaap.



Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:39 | 4980944 Lore
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My family has a game when we watch the evening news: "Bullshit."  Whenever the talking heads spout another lie, we all laugh and shout "That's Bullshit!"  It's very therapeutic.  For extra fun, surf the channels at prime time and "Spot the Crap."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:19 | 4981302 Elvis the Pelvis
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Putin IS responsible.  Who else?  The Easter Bunny?  Bitchez.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:13 | 4981494 jaxville
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The Kikeraine had too much to gain from this to think that they were not responsible. How would this benefit the resistance or Russia?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:07 | 4981829 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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They are currently out of stock but you can buy a pair here.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:58 | 4982444 old naughty
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Chum, I uparrowed all three, fun.

Meanwhile, all "quiet" (?) in the ME front ! Not fun.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:15 | 4980856 luftmensch
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strani boy, its kind of like the Saudi family owns "Saudi" Arabia.  Putin and his mafia own all of your asses.  So calculate the total wealth of Russia, they give about 15% or so to the people (which they feel is generous really), and divide the rest amongst themselves.

In the orient, its not what you own, but who you know, it may not all be in his name, but Putin can take, use, or do just about whatever he wants as virtual Czar / Godfather.

Wake the fuck up people - ZH is full of Kremlin plants and probably some regular brain-washed readers of russian language news sources mixed in.  With the occasional crackpot weterner who loves to take the other side of any issue for the adrenaline rush.



Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:20 | 4981524 jaxville
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The West/Nato has zero credibility. They have squandered it by lying too often in order to go to war. You remember the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq don't you? Total bullshit from the get go but there are no shortage of idiots to rationalize a lie that led to half a million dead. What about the nofly zone over Libya? That lie to the UN turned out to be a bombing campaign that killed thousands of inocent people. We already know about the Western sponsored revolt in the Ukraine that over through a democratically elected gov't.

  No one is a stupid as you in real life. What do you get for posting here and defending the status quo?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:37 | 4981577 NidStyles
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3 years ago we were all neocon plants...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:07 | 4982004 CzarVladimirI
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You got that right!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:26 | 4980448 TungstenBars
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They also found his passport in the wreckage.


Don't believe the Putin is worth 80Billion garbage. Look where tha idea comes from first. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:45 | 4980524 chumbawamba
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They also found a couple passports of the 9/11 hijackers and the passport of the real killer of Nicole Brown Simpson.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:47 | 4981613 BOPOH
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If you love your government, you can keep your government.

But my government is not listening me.

It is time for them to start listen my AKM.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:29 | 4980464 Titus
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What's the value of fiat when you own the bank and control the military?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:55 | 4981028 Titus
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Downvotes huh? Anybody care to tell me how fiat is created?


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:23 | 4980437 COSMOS
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USA PROPAGANDA _ FOX News Fakes MOSCOW Protest With Athens Clashes 12_8_11

Can you ever trust what the western MSM shows especially since they are owned by dual citizens

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:12 | 4980838 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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In the end, the media is always about steering public perception in ways that benefit of the present regimes. Watch dogs turn out to be lap dogs.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:22 | 4980894 luftmensch
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Hi kosmonaut, can you please translate what you mean by "dual citizens"?  The people you said own our TV shows?  That actually doesn't mean anything in the English language.  Maybe its a Russian metaphor that doesn't translate that well literally.

I know, its hard to learn perfect English in St Petersburg, its OK, we're here to help.  Oh, and thank you for the RT/Kremlin news agency link!


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:40 | 4980953 karutzar
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Jooish always have dual citizenship - in Israel and USA (for example). Though USA never allow dual citizenship, for jooish they have exception. The same is for other countries that do not allow dual citizenship - always is exception for joos. It is known who own the media globally. :) One very specific ethnic group.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:46 | 4980971 COSMOS
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Hey luft how did you manage to be on here 4+ years and not figure out what a dual citizen is, let me spell it out to you, a dual citizen holds a passport for another country, be it Ireland, Spain, UK, or any other EU or middle eastern country who then does not have the best interests of the US at hand because they can skip town at any moment.

Capiche or do you have to go another 4+ years to figure it out?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:22 | 4981122 Bingo Hammer
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"If you want to know who RULES you, just look at who [& which groups] you're forbidden to criticize."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:12 | 4981090 Clever Name
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You sir, are a moron. The US allows both Canadians and Brits dual citizenship, just off the top of my head. But please keep trying to spread your idiocy.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:21 | 4981123 HardAssets
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I had an aunt who was a dual US-Canadian citizen. And, the local Catholic priest is a US-Columbian citizen.

I'm against the whole notion of dual citizenship, but people need to get their facts straight before spewing baloney.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:32 | 4981348 Winston Churchill
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Depends how you aquire it.Being born into it versus working to aquire it.

You are always going to get cases like myself;

Swiss father,American mother,born in the UK.

My nationalty is Heinz 57.

But generally, no citizen should be a dual or trial citizen in govt. sevice,

except as low level mercenary's perhaps, to earn citizenship.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:21 | 4981313 PhilofOz
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None of them, not one, should be allowed to keep their "alternative" citizenship should they enter politics in the USA. You can surely see that they will never be 100% there in the interests of the people that vote them in.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:46 | 4982263 MiTasol
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In the case of the Brits it's more a matter of them not allowing one to lose that nationality.  Not so long back their passports branded them as 'subjects of Her Majesty'.  These days they're no longer subjects and the passports say 'British citizen", but they're treated the same.


Back when I lived in in the 3rd world those Brits taking up local citizenship had to hand in their passports as they "weren't allowed dual citizenship".  The passports were then sent to the British embassy (HC) who simply mailed them straight back to the holders.


Can't have HM's subjects wandering off and leaving can we?  Waste of manpower that might be needed as cannon fodder during the next stoush.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 07:57 | 4982758 thestarl
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What Murdoch fears is his mortality and I take comfort knowing the old cunt is getting closer to it.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:02 | 4980344 worbsid
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If you mean Mutual Assured Destruction, then yes but it works both ways. KYAGB. For those new to MAD, that means Kiss Your Ass Good Bye.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:53 | 4980554 max2205
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We have a bad track record


Gulf of Tonkin anyone ?  Ect.    


We know how to do this



Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:28 | 4981152 MoneyThimbles
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The problem is that if you do it this time, hundreds of American cities will cease to exist.


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:08 | 4980827 Dubaibanker
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Ukrainian military jets were escorting the plane before crash. Evidence has been destroyed at the ATC on the ground. Even a Twitter a/c seems to have been erased.

And some more evidence of Ukraninian military involvement:

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:02 | 4981453 WhackoWarner
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I posted this lower down here somewhere but:  turn on English captions.  Military fighters in JUNE using commercial flights to disguise civilian bombing.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:45 | 4981208 Sirius Wonderblast
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...and that they can knock US warheads out of the sky.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:03 | 4980320 SMG
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What is so important about the gosh darn crash site that we have to risk WWIII to protect it?   NATO troops, are you freaking kidding me?  We know the plane got shot down by a missle that both the ukrainians and the russians had.   And why the snot was the damn plane flying over a war zone anyway?

You want to risk the the death of billions over this?

Well I guess if you're a bunch of evil Satanist Oligarchs you do.

I'm gonna go work on the bunker.  F**k me.


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:18 | 4980401 Escrava Isaura
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This thread is all over the place.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:14 | 4980621 TheFourthStooge-ing
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What is so important about the gosh darn crash site that we have to risk WWIII to protect it?

Vichy DC needs to make sure that all the evidence which incriminates them is disposed of properly.

NATO troops, are you freaking kidding me?

Hey, they know it's the end of NATO if any more truth leaks out.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:24 | 4981133 PrintemDano
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My last Fiat dollar says we aren't putting any US or NATO Soldiers into Ukraine.  Talk is cheap, Ozero and friends don't want to die in a nuclear WWIII anymore than we do.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:30 | 4981719 StychoKiller
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Hmm, yer 'light-bringers' sure seem to do a lot of dark things...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 04:35 | 4986992 SF beatnik
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Yes, DUCK AND COVER time nears.

2 X 12 pavers will attentuate the gamma rays big time. 

N95 dust masks for airborne hot particles.


Obama and Kerry are more than foolish enough to cause the final world war.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:02 | 4980342 Kirk2NCC1701
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Part of corporate layoffs ('downsizing'), is to include all the "undesirables" on the list.  Ditto for plane crashed.

The old "Two birds with one stone" routine.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:06 | 4980593 Excursionist
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Sometimes there are false flag ops, and sometimes bad actors are simply guilty as charged.

To believe every instance is a false flag is to believe in a peaceful world that just wants to go about its merry, unfettered way.  Seems really naive.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:21 | 4981316 disabledvet
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I'm just here to get on the first page of the comment section on Sunday night.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:23 | 4982225 willwork4food
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Funny that! I did a couple times . Said FIRST!!! Got downvoted a hundred times here. lol.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:09 | 4980351 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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You'll find that the Euro is here to stay, even if not all Eurozone member nations necessarily are.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:18 | 4980408 Escrava Isaura
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Don't get it!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:22 | 4980643 sunnydays
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Yep and the reason the U.S. could have been behind it, they were in a conflict with Russia for EU's energy dependance.  The EU was ignoring the U.S.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:14 | 4981092 omniversling
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19 July Press conference by Alexander Borodai (Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic). Very measured, and explains well the difficulties of securing the crash site (and frustration) whilst DPR await the attendance of international experts to investigate the remaining wreckage and care for/remove the human remains. H/T

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:19 | 4981300 Dugald
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So what's the deal, those banging the biggest drums send the least boots??

Bet the silly Australians get stuck with the heavy lifting.....

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 03:39 | 4982540 hungarianboy
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What amazes me is that everybody in the world know not to fly over Ukraine territory, yet, Malaysian Airlines/KLM chose to do so with risk. They got shot down and now have a big mouht?

Fuck the dutch! Better wise up next time.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:45 | 4980259 The Juggernaut
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LOL nah  Pharm companies.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:44 | 4980254 BaBaBouy
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""openly asked for military intervention""

Where's GWB When You Need Him ???

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:51 | 4980304 Urban Redneck
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I disproved this claim myself yesterday. Right here. Look it up.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:49 | 4980736 Space Animatoltipap
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By far the best cure to aids is to avoid all kinds of degraded sex. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:20 | 4981116 Moustache Rides
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awwwww  maaaaaan!  /kicks dirt

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:35 | 4981738 StychoKiller
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Moustaches rides are okay, so long as yer pardner consents.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:04 | 4980816 Freddie
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5 Chinese scientist about to get a major chip patent on the other Malaysian Airlines plane that "disappeared."  The other patent holder to share was Freescale aka a big private equity firm aka the Red Sheild owns them.

This Air Malay 777's seem to be a boon for the oligarchs schemes.  Want to bet it was the same 777 that first to a detour to Diego Garcia.  What are the chances that a very safe 777 owned by the same airline has two disasters in a few months?  How about zero.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:57 | 4981240 The Alarmist
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Unless Airbus execs are up to something ... hmmmm!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 03:52 | 4982548 IronForge
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Let's see who ends up buying out Malaysian Air after it files for Bankruptcy.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:23 | 4980903 Rootin' for Putin
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2 days ago it was 6 scientists and a bunch of random helpers.  Guess that wasnt a good enough headline.

Most likely a scientist on board had a 50 cent cure for aids and was going to announce it at the conference and big pharma decided this was the best way to keep the money coming their way.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:57 | 4981032 hairInTheSoup
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almost, & here is the cure for aids & for free :

escape vaccination, don't eat packaged food, only fresh & non-modified, & mostly fruits & vegs & nuts, go very easy on the meat, do sports, don't do heroïn, poppers on a regular basis, live in the country.

yes consumption society destroys your immune system, it's a fact.



Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:18 | 4981514 25or6to4
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Yeah hiarinthesoup you forgot don't have anal sex which is the biggest factor AND the cure for AIDS.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 06:34 | 4982636 hairInTheSoup
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interesting way to show off your total ignorance of the active immuno  deficiency syndrom

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:27 | 4981543 August
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>>>don't do heroïn, poppers on a regular basis

How about ether, only on weekends?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:36 | 4982093 Christophe2
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Poppers are one of the most obvious true causes of AIDS in the gay community:

It seems like one needs to do poppers for quite a while before the AIDS symptoms appear, so only weekends might not be enough, if the rest of your lifestyle is too healthy...

The key thing though is that AIDS is not due to a virus, that no researcher has ever isolated the mythical HIV virus, and that anti-retroviral medication is most likely NOT what you want to take when you are suffering from AIDS (but it's what makes TPTB very rich while killing us).

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 06:32 | 4982634 hairInTheSoup
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a little nuance i've learnt from a hiv+ forum, a consensus that came out of their experimentation with the aids medecine :


* people that are sick & then are found to be hiv+ are getting better with the aids treatment, if they stop it they get sick again

* people that are healthy then found to be hiv+ then accept the aids treatment become sick very quickly, but they then get better if they stop the treatment

*people that are healthy then found to be hiv+ but refuse the treatment never get sick.


so basically if your immune system is already fucked by consumption society the aids treatment might help you, if not the aids treatment will destroy your system (which is really good for the economy to have you dependent of such an expensive treatment)




Mon, 07/21/2014 - 06:41 | 4982644 hairInTheSoup
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it's your body, you're the only one responsible for what you put in it.


brainwashed or not brainwashed.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:25 | 4980915 TheGardener
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AIDS scientists LOL. That was not even funny in the 80thies. Aiding whom or what ? Silly scaremongering. Yes the supposed disease or intentional tampering with the immune system
we talk about is serious for the afflicted disposable minority. To hell with sick sex practices and the devil will curse any of those sick still around to tell the story.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:49 | 4980997 hairInTheSoup
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they were about to finally spill the beans & tell the truth on the hiv & Gallo the big pharma hustle lies (probabaly the biggest conspiracy of our time)

imf  could not let that happen to bigpharma, main mass control tool (along with media obv), just like they could not lose one ounce ukrainian gas & tax.

so here you go, one shot, two strikes.

(mass killing) business as usual.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:13 | 4981088 cnmcdee
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The cure for HIV is a bottle of Selenium purchased at walmart. 4-5 taken a day will block the replication of retro-viruses.  You may hold the virus but with that alone you'll die of old age.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:13 | 4981287 pods
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Ahhh, the old AIDS scheme.


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:51 | 4981410 HardAssets
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Do people still fall for that one ? 

Investigative reporter Jon Rappoport wrote all about AIDS and HIV back in the 80s. His book is still out there.

AIDS as a separate 'disease' caused by retrovirus HIV is a scam.

Since ADHD is also a scam, people can't use that as an excuse for not reading up on the AIDS scam.


Ya know, the more you look at it, the more you see that most of the world in which we live is a big freakin' scam.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:21 | 4981318 Buck Johnson
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You may have a point, that is alot of aids scientists in one plane going to a conference the odds.  Also This only ends in one of two things.  We are humiliated and have to back down like Syria, or we get into a shooting war with Russia.  Obama is a moron.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:29 | 4982327 Nassim
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There are ethical ways - FDA-approved - of preventing the spread of HIV/AIDS - but Big Pharma would lose $20+ billion revenue per year.

No one needs to have sex with an infected person - unless they really want to risk it. It is a problem of information asymmetry.


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:41 | 4980240 john39
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this all reminds me of how the zio media told everyone that osama bin laden was behind 911, within minutes of the attack.  how very convenient, and thoughtful of our owners.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:54 | 4980289 ZerOhead
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Direct the outrage of the shocked and angry masses towards the intended target immediately and the emotional connection is cemented.

After that Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld could have even admitted to being behind 9/11 and noone would have believed them.

Actually if memory serves I think Rummy admitted to the shooting down one of the planes... the one where the passengers were at risk of taking back control of the airplane from the hijackers. That could have been embarrassing...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:02 | 4980343 socalbeach
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The 9-11 Solution - How the myth was sold. Jerome Hauer Collection

"The complete set of 9/11 myths were all laid down in the first hour after the attacks by the U.S. mass media."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:16 | 4980626 TBT or not TBT
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Actually, there never were any twin towers to begin with.  If there were, wouldn't people in NYC, never mind visitors, have witnessed their being built?   Hello!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:49 | 4980743 socalbeach
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cool pic:

(I think some people thought you were serious.)

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:16 | 4980622 BigJim
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Yeah, or pinning the chemical attacks on Assad.

I remember the BBC inferring that if it could be proven that Sarin had been used, that meant it must have been the Syrian regime that used it... and then the whole thing being swept under the carpet when the UN inspectors pinned the blame on the rebels. Did we get an apology from all 'our' politicians who'd been demanding we start killing people in Syria on the strength of their 'knowledge'? Did we fuck.

I'm getting so sick of 'our' MSM. They're fucking poison when it comes to geopolitics, and just plain useless about everything else, half the time.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:00 | 4980800 BorisTheBlade
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as if they knew who to blame for it before the attack.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:57 | 4981439 HardAssets
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Yeah, most air accident investiations take some time before the evidence can be put together to come up with any sound conclusions about the cause. But in this case, in a war zone which makes getting down to the facts even more difficult, - some are anxious to assign blame almost immediately.  Very suspicious.

Numerous civilian airliners have been shot down by military forces through the years. This even includes a US Navy ship shooting down a civilian airliner from Iran. Yet in all those past incidents, there wasn't a serious call to escalate the situation military in a way that could be very dangerous to the prospects for peace.  This is also very suspicious.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:21 | 4981862 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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All they need to find is a piece of the missile with a serial number on it in the wreckage.

And if that serial number also ties to a missile that is not SAM fired....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:41 | 4980241 stacking12321
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agreed that putin is no hero.

except, that he kinda is in this case because he can stand up to the corrupt western powers, he's a counter-balancing force.

besides, this isn't about putin, it's about a mass murder commited by usa's puppet poroshenko intending to frame russia and make an excuse for military intervention, the one thing that the usa is still somewhat competent in.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:58 | 4980326 disabledvet
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Putin's approval rating inside Russia is 70 plus percent.
This dude is "where it's at!" (Two turn tables and a microphone!)

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:43 | 4980520 JR
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What do you need for a hero? He’s the only man standing between us and the Zionist neocons' new world order

All you need to know about Herman Van Rompuy’s election as first permanent president of the European Union is contained in this quote from his initial press conference.

Citing the way world leaders have begun to deal with the 2008 banking collapse, Van Rompuy said:  2009 is also the first year of global governance with the establishment of the G-20  in the middle of a financial crisis.”

Russia already has been kicked out of the G-8.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:37 | 4980680 stacking12321
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"What do you need for a hero?"

someone who represents my beliefs. that is not putin, or any other statist.

i'm happy that the brics are a counterbalancing force to the western powers.

but i would not go so far as to call them heroes.

anyone who engages in violence to enforce their will over others will never be a hero to me.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:05 | 4981058 RafterManFMJ
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Sometimes there’s a man… I won’t say a hero, ’cause what’s a hero? Sometimes, there’s a man. And I’m talkin’ about The Putin here, The Putin from Leningrad. Sometimes, there’s a man… well… he’s the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that’s The Putin. The Putin from Leningrad.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:07 | 4981466 HardAssets
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The evidence simply isn't in yet to be able to place blame for the shoot down.

So you can't point to Russia, Ukraine, the US, or anyone else at this point.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:02 | 4982283 stacking12321
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you're right, i don't know for a fact.

however, motive suggests it was ukraine.

also, paul craig roberts suggests that it was likely ukraine based on the following evidence:


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:47 | 4980247 BaBaBouy
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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:44 | 4980260 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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De Telegraaf has a history of supporting or catering to right-wing populist agendas. Take it with a grain of salt.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:36 | 4980492 Reptil
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Yes, but on the (state) news radio NOS I heard "Rutte had a very firm talk with Putin. He said the russians are responsible for the correct handling of victims of the crash. And that he thought it "dispicable" that "the rebels are toying around with personal belongings (of the victims)".
Whoever brought down this thing, they sure as hell are using it now to galvanize moral support for the coming sanctions or militairy standoff.
Or at least some political gain, by looking "tough" and saying "big words".
The relationship between Rutte and Putin is eeh.... in the toilet. Has been for quite a while. Putin treating Prime Minister Rutte like a cheap whore with delusions during Rutte's last encounter. He's not far off I'm afraid.

The sad part is so many here are not aware that the so called "evidence" of the seperatists shooting it down is questionable. And even sadder is that many people don't seem to understand the difference between "proof" and "the descision to blame someone".
This country is very dependable on gas imports (now) and trade in the broadest sense. Sanctions, and some conflict would hurt the dutch people more than anyone, Yet the government seems to have copied the 9-11 to Patriot Act script and is running it.
I'm very ashamed of my country's government. I do not think they represent the people.

Not a word about a an investigation into the MH-17 shootdown.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:21 | 4981039 Freddie
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Investigations?  Like 9/11, Bldg 7, the Pentagon and Naval Intelligence hit wing because Naval Intelligence was investigating something and they were hit on 9/11(then had just been moved to the outside walls of the Pentagon), Sandy Hoax, Boston bombing, the missing Malasyian Airlines 777, Flight 800, Okalahoma City.    Yeah they will get a blue ribbon panel. 

Flase flag investogations usually include sealing things and demolishing buildings and taking away the evidence quickly.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:52 | 4981232 vnct
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I get frustrated reading about who is to blame, without any proof whatsoever!

America and the Nato supply weapons to many conflict zones and probably so does Rusia, in my view they are all guilty! These weapons kill thousands and anyone supplying them is guilty!

To me it is very disturbing that the deaths of so many innocent people are used for political and strategic (economic!!) gain! 

Our world has become a place where my life and yours, is subject to market value, you can as well start wearing a price tag, very sad!

My sympathy goes out to all afflicted by this terrible tragedy.



Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:17 | 4981507 HardAssets
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@vnct - bravo !  One of the most sensible comments on this subject that's been posted


Beyond blame for this one incident should be asked "Where should all this lead ?"   For the sake of argument, lets say the final evidence and investigations lead to a finding that the Russians did this by mistake.  Some soldier screwed up.  Then what ?  In the past the US shot down a civilian airliner from Iran by mistake. Does this mean escalation of the tensions in a way that risks a global war that could potentially go thermo-nuclear ? 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:38 | 4980685 Joe A
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De Telegraaf collaborated with the Nazis in WWII.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:45 | 4980270 123dobryden
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not true, just opposite propaganda

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:44 | 4980969 Oscar
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All the more reason to invest in gold and silver

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:36 | 4980220 blabam
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Starting WW3 over Ukraine because bankrupt EU just keeps on expanding is fucking retarded. Give it to Putin. I don't care (I'm Dutch BTW). 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:54 | 4980314 Urban Redneck
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I hope you live on high ground if the war-mongering nutcases get their way.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:37 | 4980498 Reptil
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we all are used to live below sea level.
the warmongering nutcases are delusional.
we're not scared of them, at least I'm not.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:39 | 4980228 thamnosma
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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:39 | 4980232 rum_runner
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Indeed.  Everyone has an agenda but when a separatist general tweets "we just downed an enemy plane" and then deletes that a short while later.. well..

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:42 | 4980246 thamnosma
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Yeah, that made it pretty obvious.  Every bit of info around this episode supports it.  Denying access to the area, loading bodies onto freight trains and transporting them to an unknown destination.  Grabbing the black boxes and likely shipping them off to Moscow.  It's so freakin obvious.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:48 | 4980285 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Let's assume for a minute your masters aren't lying to you when they do about everything else... so what are you going to do about this big guy? Rah, rah, for WWIII?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:43 | 4981200 thamnosma
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Who said anything about wanting war you fucking twit.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:50 | 4980292 COSMOS
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Yeah cause if the CIA had those boxes we would know what the air traffic controllers said.   We need the Russians to have the recordings so we can call BS when the Uke govt releases their version which they never will release the tower tapes.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:59 | 4980333 disabledvet
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The OECD is not the CIA dude. They exist to PREVENT World War II.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:08 | 4980358 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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You'll find it futile to attempt to reason with him/her.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:28 | 4980457 COSMOS
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Really now, at least I dont have my back turned to discussions Magnus.  I think your avatar is symbolic of your stance on things.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:32 | 4981549 25or6to4
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The only question is how much Larssen paid that Nigerian whore to hold his baby. That and does the mother know about it.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:35 | 4980485 Tall Tom
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Now just how difficult would it be for a USAF F-117 Stealth Fighter to slip in and shoot that airliner down, undetected?


Maybe it was not Russia and maybe it was not Ukraine.


Maybe this is just an example of the Hegelian Dialectic.


Give the crowd two choices while playing the False Flag Card.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:22 | 4981306 flyingcaveman
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Impossible, the F-117 is actually a bomber.  well actually not really, other steath planes carry air to air missles internally so,..... I don't know.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:47 | 4982262 Tall Tom
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so,..... I don't know


You needed to stop writing and publishing at that point...and research.


Or you needed to ask questions.


The USAF B-2 Bomber is the Stealth Bomber.


The F-117 primary mission is to be deployed as a Fighter Jet.


Fighter Jets, as well as most Fighters Aircraft during and since World War II, are not just designed and deployed for Air to Air Combat, but are deployed to knock out and harrass Ground Targets.


For instance the F4 Phantom was deployed, during Vietnam, more often taking out ground targets rather than engaging MIGs.


Most modern Fighter Jets are versatile.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:19 | 4981520 Razor_Edge
Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:03 | 4982280 Tall Tom
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If that is the case then the Iraqi Air Defense Forces during both the Kuwaiti conflict and the Invasion of Iraq a dozen years after did not use these primitive World War II Radar Systems or... that man is full of crap.


Furthermore he spoke nothing about the F-117A.


It would have seemed that the IADF would have learned something from the Kuwaiti Offensive. If the primitive Radars will detect then they would have blown them out of the sky.


Furthermore I do not believe that the Ukranian Radars are all that sophisticated. Conversely that means that they are primitive. It has been reported that they have a lack of Radars to target ther SAM correctly and the downing of the Russian AN-26 Transport was attributable to luck.


I do not buy it.


The US Public is sold a Bill of Goods when the MIC is selling the idea to Congress.


But when it is inconvenient that we have these capabilities then we have Government spokesmen say that we do not.


I just love the misinformation. So which is the lie?


Did I strike a nerve?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:58 | 4980325 Urban Redneck
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Only twats take twitter at face value.

Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:01pm EDT
(Reuters) - Hackers took control of the Associated Press Twitter account on Tuesday and sent a false tweet about explosions in the White House that briefly sent U.S. financial markets reeling.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:45 | 4980256 atomicwasted
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You may not be old enough to remember the 70s, when every two-bit bulllshit "revolutionary" group would call in to take responsibility for any bombing anywhere in order to increase their street cred.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:39 | 4980502 tumblemore
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"we just downed an enemy plane"


yeah but why did they think that particular air liner was an enemy plane when hundreds of air liners had been crossing Ukraine for weeks?


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:18 | 4981105 Paveway IV
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They didnt' think MH17 was an enemy plane because the conversation had nothing to do with it - that particular segment of conversation was weeks earlier when they took out either the Ukraine IL-76 or the AN-30. They used that unrelated conversation together with other segments recorded after the MH17 crash. They only presented all the segements together as if they were all on the day of the crash, leading to the conclusion that they both were about MH17 = the separatists 'did it'.

The technique is getting tiresome, but it's fairly standard and still effective for 'narrative steering' - and it's readily consumed by the gullible MSM. They did the same thing with the Syria to blame Assad for the Ghouta gas attacks, describing SAA chemical weapons training activities from ten months prior as if it occured the day before the attack = Assad 'did it'.

Separatists could not have shot down MH17 from the known positions of the captured BUK TELARS. The only BUK launchers that physically could have sent a missile to hit MH17 at the strike point were Ukrainian batteries set up to the North of Donetsk. 


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:55 | 4980559 Berspankme
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Because twitter accounts have never been hacked(except daily)

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:00 | 4980793 rum_runner
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Nice, social media influence agents out in force today.. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:39 | 4980233 thamnosma
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The Putin cheerleading has reached absurd levels.   All sides in this are slimy.  However, logic tells me the separatists shot the plane down with Russian equipment.  Now it's cover-up mode.  The evidence points that way as well.  If the idiot Feinstein opens her mouth that doesn't negate the evidence.

I'm glad Russia stood up to the West's plans for Syria, but where were they on Libya?   To me, that was an even more blatant war crime.  

All parties have their agendas.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:51 | 4980303 COSMOS
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If you want absurd levels moron go look at all the MSM, look at guardian, look at daily mail, look at yahoo, look at all the puppet news and see how they are lying through their teeth without any proof blaming Putin.  And you come here to a little website and shout Putin cheerleading has reached absurd levels.  Are you one of those Americans who thinks they are exceptional>  Just curious.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:55 | 4980313 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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If by exceptional you mean a leech working for Imperial forces at Langley, you are probably right.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:07 | 4980361 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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The American hostility towards educated / intellectual circles never ceases to astound me.

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