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"I Was Absolutely Shocked At What I Read," Congressman Calls For Release Of Secret 9/11 Documents

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Late last year, I published a post titled: Two Congressmen Push for Release of 28-Page Document Showing Saudi Involvement in 9/11. Here’s an excerpt from the piece:

Since terrorists attacked the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, victims’ loved ones, injured survivors, and members of the media have all tried without much success to discover the true nature of the relationship between the 19 hijackers – 15 of them Saudi nationals – and the Saudi Arabian government. Many news organizations reported that some of the terrorists were linked to the Saudi royals and that they even may have received financial support from them as well as from several mysterious, moneyed Saudi men living in San Diego.

 

Saudi Arabia has repeatedly denied any connection, and neither President George W. Bush nor President Obama has been forthcoming on this issue.

 

But earlier this year, Reps. Walter B. Jones, R-N.C., and Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., were given access to the 28 redacted pages of the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry (JICI) of 9/11 issued in late 2002, which have been thought to hold some answers about the Saudi connection to the attack.

 

“I was absolutely shocked by what I read,” Jones told International Business Times. “What was so surprising was that those whom we thought we could trust really disappointed me. I cannot go into it any more than that. I had to sign an oath that what I read had to remain confidential. But the information I read disappointed me greatly.”

 

The public may soon also get to see these secret documents. Last week, Jones and Lynch introduced a resolution that urges President Obama to declassify the 28 pages, which were originally classified by President George W. Bush. It has never been fully explained why the pages were blacked out, but President Bush stated in 2003 that releasing the pages would violate national security.

Naturally, the so-called “most transparent Administration in history” hasn’t declassified anything, but that didn’t stop Rep. Thomas Massie, R-KY from reading them. What he saw was so incredibly disturbing he called a press conference to talk about it. This is what he had to say:

That’s three members of Congress that I know of who have come out shell-shocked upon reading this document. So why can’t the American public see it?

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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:35 | 4980672 medium giraffe
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shit + fan?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:40 | 4980694 macholatte
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Fuckin A Bitchez !!!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:42 | 4980701 Manthong
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“neither President George W. Bush nor President Obama has been forthcoming on this issue.”

At least we know how forthcoming they have been about the domestic surveillance of the NSA.

Why would this be any different?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:48 | 4980734 vegan
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When this comes out, everyone will know that domestic surveillance, among other ways the US has been "fighting terrorism", is a sham. As long as these 28 pages stay secret, the "war on terror" is justified.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:49 | 4980745 Thought Processor
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Do you need any more evidence that 'They' do not work for 'The People'?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:00 | 4980791 ZerOhead
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9/11 : The turd that will not flush

 

Representative Thomas Massie, R-KY... we at ZerOhedge salute you.

(Lynch and Jones too...)

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:02 | 4980805 Liberal
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It's SO ridiculuous to think that our gov't would ever lie or hide anything.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:09 | 4980837 Stuck on Zero
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I can't find anything on YouTube. Can anyone else get to that video?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:16 | 4980866 ZerOhead
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MAKE IT GO VIRAL!!!

We know MSM will never touch it and these guys political carreers... nay... lives... are in danger the longer we wait.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:17 | 4980872 CH1
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Grow a pair and tell us, Congressman!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:25 | 4980892 ZerOhead
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That's not a bad idea either.

God help (not really) Obama and Dick... errr sorry.. Eric Holder if they try to throw him in jail to shut him up.

He'll be a national hero overnight with all the attention it will garner.

And then the rats will scurry for cover while the fingers start to point...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:28 | 4980919 MsCreant
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Fisrt he'll have to fly to China, then he catches a flight to Russia where he stays at the airport a while...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:42 | 4980962 Manthong
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Another element of the proof that this is a nation of men, not of laws.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:16 | 4981098 TeamDepends
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Pull it!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:43 | 4981198 The Alarmist
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We're still waiting for the truth behind Pearl Harbour to be released.  IOW, not in our lifetime.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:06 | 4981267 AlaricBalth
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I was in New York on a business trip from Sept. 3rd through Sept. 7, 2001 and I stayed at the Millenium Hilton, which was located next to the World Trade Center Complex. On Thursday Sept 6, early evening I decided to walk across the street and go up to the observation deck at WTC2. The usual operating hours were 9:30am until 9:30pm and I felt it would be nice to see the city before heading out for the evening.

When I arrived at the lobby of WTC2, I was stopped by security and informed that the observatory was closed due to contruction repair work being completed. I replied that I understood, and walked over to WTC1 thinking I would go up to Windows on the World and have a drink, and see the city from there. Again I was stopped by security in the WTC1 lobby and told that Windows was closed due to a private function. Many people were being turned away. It was obvious on that evening no one was being allowed to the upper floors. I had been to Windows many times and never had I seen it closed for a private party. I thought the whole incident unusual and just left.

When 9/11 unfolded as I watched on TV from my office in Florida I remembered the old axiom, there are no coincidences.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:25 | 4981326 The Alarmist
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Windows: Gosh I loved that place.  We used to head up there for drinks after work every other week to see and be seen. One night Sandy Weill and his entourage arrived and decided they wanted our tables next to the windows, and I told the management that Mr. Weill was welcome to join us.  Gosh I loved that place.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:40 | 4981382 Elvis the Pelvis
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I blame 9/11 on Jesse Ventura.  He's such a bastard.  Bitchez.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:54 | 4981432 Keyser
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Obama will not release the redacted pages since he's nothing by a mole for the House of Saud himself... Check-Mate...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:09 | 4981478 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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I'm sure Congress will get to the bottom of this any day now.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:36 | 4981574 economics9698
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When 9-11 happened the FBI was investigating hookers in New Orleans and the CIA was fucking prostitutes in Eastern Europe.  Tax dollars at work.

Saudi Arabia was funding Al Qaeda at the request of their secret best friend Israel hoping to get something like this to happen.  Israel to draw US ground forces into the shit hole and the Saudis to get the price of oil high.

Both got their wish.

Did I miss anything?  Government incompetent, played like a banjo, and the American peasants pay with blood and money for the fuck up.

One of these days the American peasant is going to figure this shit out.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:12 | 4982025 Keyser
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The only thing you missed was the sectarian slant to the story... The House of Saud, being Sunni, had a hard-on for Sadaam, Iraq and their Sunni-Shia theocracy... This is the same reason that Iran today does not want Iraq to fall to ISIS as it will go Sunni... Strange befellows indeed, with Mossad and Saudi Arabia orchestrating 9/11, with the Bush's and the Carlyle group profitting from a manufacturered crisis to draw the US into a ME war under false pretenses... Fuckers should pay, all of them... If or when this comes out, the sheeple will just nod and it will be buried on page 27 if printed at all... The MSM are nothing but whores for the globalists as we all know...  

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:16 | 4982040 chumbawamba
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So is there any leaked info on what might be in those pages?  I fucking demand to know.

-Chumbz.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:17 | 4982211 economics9698
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Most likely the report details the incompetence of the FBI and CIA.  I doubt it has much about Israel but it may show Saudi financing.  I would think Israel and Saudi information would be sensitive compartmented information and not included in the report.  Most likely it is a mea culpa report about incompetence in the investigation of terrorism before 9-11.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:00 | 4982278 Hugh_Jorgan
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Anyone remember this little 9/10/2001 gem from our pal Don (Rummy) Rumsfeld?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-F5NKAMdFc

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:00 | 4982445 BringOnTheAsteroid
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To be frank, unless the redacted pages implicate Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, CIA, FBI or Mossad directly who really gives a fuck what the 28 pages say. So the House of Saud was involved, would that really surprise anybody?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:24 | 4982473 crazyjsmith
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How about when Lloyd's of London sued Saudi Arabia in 2011 as the cause for them losing hundreds of millions over 9/11 claims. Anderson Cooper, care to ask some questions?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 06:18 | 4982622 StormShadow
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If you've never heard of Rick Rescorla, please read up on him. Rick was not well known until History Channel did a documentary on him after 9/11, and even then many have never heard his story. You will be fascinated. My Dad was a career guy at Dean Witter/Morgan Stanley; Rick was head of security for many years and a hell of a guy. Rick saved a lot of people during the '93 bombing and thousands more on 9/11. I used to intern in the summers at 2 WTC, got to know a lot of good folks there, including Rick, and have made it my mission to get Rick's story out to folks. He was a true hero and a man among men. RIP, Rick.

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/rescorla.html

http://www.dhs.gov/rick-rescorla-national-award-resilience

http://rickrescorla.com/

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:05 | 4982771 TN Jed
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This thread style doesn't work very well for this many replies. I have no idea who many of you are replying to. I wish it was more like Reddit with the ability to click and collapse.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:15 | 4982035 chumbawamba
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I'll bet it has something to do with the re-alignment of the petro-dollar in the era of the New American Century, or at least that aspect figures in prominently.

If these congresscritters are worth their oath to support and defend the Constitution that secures the rights of the We the People, and We the People have a right to know what is and was being done in our name, then I don't care what ancillary oath they took to get access to the papers: their paramount oath is to We, the People.  And I want to know what the fuck is in those documents and I want to know right fucking now god damn it.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:20 | 4982467 crazyjsmith
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We live in a country that claims to be free - where the truth is Confidential?
Where we have to beg our masters to tell us the truth.
Seriously?
Can we finally cut with the bullshit?

When we are sedated and passive enough, only then will we get the truth.
30 years maybe.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:44 | 4982499 thestarl
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God i hope so

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:05 | 4982770 GeorgeWKush
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Al-Qaeda despise the royal Saud familiy because of it's cooperation with the US and because of it's the corrupt behavior and lavish lifestyle. The Sauds would rather like to frame them than fund them.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:44 | 4982884 redd_green
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Who said Al Qaeda had anything to do with 09/11?  

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:08 | 4983179 GeorgeWKush
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Misunderstand me right. I wasn't saying that Al Qeada had anything to do with this, I was responding to economics9698 who seems to suggest that Saudi sponspred Al Qeada at the time of 9/11 when in fact it was more than a decade since bin Laden broke with the royal douchebags of Saudi Arabia. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:47 | 4981611 DaddyO
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I'm blue from holding my breath...

DaddyO

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:32 | 4981722 All Risk No Reward
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"The best way to control the opposition is to finance the opposition"
~Me;  An update to Vladimir Lenin's quote

Folks, a secret report is not required to comprehend the government is lying here.  All you need are two things...

1. Orwellian crimestop free honesty

2. A basic understanding of Newtonian physics

All the information you need is provided by a high school physics teacher who possesses #1 and #2 and didn't get high enough in the system to become a corrupt and spineless sycophant.

https://www.youtube.com/user/DavidChandler911

Start with NIST Finally Admits Freefall (after lying about it!)

What a Gravity Driven Demolition Looks Like

Downward Accleration of the North Tower (hint the top of the tower never decelerated meaning, according to Newtonian physics, THAT IT NEVER HIT ANYTHING BELOW IT!)

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:42 | 4984902 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"I'm sure Congress will get to the bottom of this any day now."~

You know what is most galling, Gaius, (and you don't know just how long I've been waiting to say that!), is the idea that there is knowledge our government doesn't believe we can handle or should know about this atrocity.

Can we at least end the myth of a "War on Terror" and begin to call it the "Islamic War on the West"? When can we admit that the problem IS Islam? When does our government, instead of keeping information from us, starts seeking out those within our country who are advocates for this Islamic War on the West and a) deport them, (if foreign nationals) and/or b) deport them and strip them of American citizenship if they are citizens unless the renounce once and for all any affiliation or support for the cult of the pedophile-mass murderer pirate.

If you do find some who renounce, deport and strip them of their citizenship anyway, because of Taqiyya. Serves their arses right. Ship them straight to Mecca. They can get a pilgrimage in while they are at it.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:52 | 4981627 DeadFred
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You guys are missing the point here. Sure we all know about 9/11 but this press conference is proof that at least one congressman has not been diddling little boys and filling his NSA file with the recordings. That surprises me.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:42 | 4981760 SuperRay
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Yes, well I guess his days are numbered....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:51 | 4981954 Manthong
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It’s not too late for him to become a team player and start diddling little boys, junior staff or interns.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:16 | 4982034 Keyser
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He will have an unexpected heart attack in 3...2...1...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:38 | 4982101 InjectTheVenom
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nah.    nail gun.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 07:13 | 4982677 actionjacksonbrownie
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Hope he doesn't drive a Mercedes...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:12 | 4983572 Seer
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And Bush, on whose watch this big event, that enabled the shredding of the US constitution, occurred, allowed members of the bin Laden family to escape? or, the Dancing Israelis?

Very few people are close to seeing the Big Picture.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:07 | 4981832 Blano
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Oh God not you again. 

TYLERS!!!!!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:45 | 4982119 Never One Roach
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Gee, just when Barry was trying to make 'friends' with Saudis at the WH Ramadan Hoedown ... so he can have pals in high places when he's finally out of office and looking for a job.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:24 | 4981463 Lumberjack
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Alaric, I personally know firefighters who were there (FDNY). Having served as a chief myself I agree with you as do they. There is much more to this and the perps came through my jurisdiction in a nearby state. The event was reported to the proper authorities who didn't follow up on it until a year later. I had a few choice words with the agency as to their lack of response and wondered why a woman of ME descent was involved. I "retired" shortly thereafter. Trust me that FDNY has questions and what we reported is still on the record.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:32 | 4981558 Lumberjack
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That in of itself changed my world view forever. The things that they do and how far they will go are incomprehensible and I mean it. What concerns me most is the current path they are taking us. My job was to save lives, theirs is to take it for no god damn good reason for personal benefit. It has NOTHING to do with our individual interests and well being.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:22 | 4981695 palmereldritch
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The pathological behavior is readily apparent: criminal.

The specific iteration is realtively new: super criminal.

They have existed since time memorial but it is only with the relatively recent benefit of the Internet and its accompanying synapses of awareness that we have been able to both recognize their actions and put the threat into historical perspective.

That said, like any free thinking liberty loving individual, you use the tools provided and adjust to and defend against the predator threat accordingly....get politically active, use the rule of law to correct abuses and seek counsel with like minded individuals.

The fail-safe to fighting the good fight should never need be expressed.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:45 | 4982124 oudinot
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Nice to see a Philip K. Dick fan.  I think 'The Five Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch" was his masterpiece.

After this week I could use some Chew-Z.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:50 | 4982150 Bearish News
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Brilliant.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:42 | 4981762 HardAssets
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@ Lumberjack - "My job was to save lives, theirs is to take it for no god damn good reason for personal benefit. It has NOTHING to do with our individual interests and well being."

That is something that most Americans are too naive and propagandized since childhood, to consider. Many of them will get angry if you actually present them with facts and sound reasoning. But, I'm sure you've experienced that personally.

They are defenseless against these criminal pyschopaths (and this describes these predators  accurately.)

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:25 | 4981878 Lumberjack
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Thanks.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:24 | 4982228 August
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True Darwinians have zero interest in the idea of "representative self-government", except as some sort of dodge, or hustle.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:15 | 4981678 koaj
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i worked at 110 wall st on 9/11/01 as a struggling trader

 

when the first plane hit, we had no idea anything was going on. one of the guys was outside smoking and called us to come look. look like a little bit of a ticker tape parade. we went out and nothing seemed odd then we heard someone say they thought it was a single engine plans that hit the WTC which we figured was an awful pilot error.

 

10 min later or so my building shook from an amazing explosion. that was plane 2. i can still feel the building shaking when i think about it

 

what i never understood or thought about until a few years ago...two planes travelling the same speed with the same mass hit the same sort of structure. one made an amazing boom explosion and the other we had no idea anything was even going on

 

odd indeed. after the second one hit, i told my buddy that one was a real bad error, two was some serious shit and we needed to get out of the city asap. we were on a ferry from pier 11 to hoboken within 15 minutes before the buildings came down. we saw one come down from the boat. fucking crazy. like watching a Die Hard movie

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:32 | 4981717 tony wilson
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like watching a die hard movie i get ya : )

the scripts on 911 where fully kosher just like john moses the law giver maclean

by the time yer got home too the little lady larry silverstein had already pulled wt7.

what a day what an adrenaline rush.

damn those fiendish iraqis and afghanistan mullars too hell : )

 

ans the poor pentagon as well 2 trillion in funds missing statements made next day kaboom the investigating commitee and all the files gets wiped out.

if we did not believe so much in the flag some of us could well ask was this an inside and mossad run job.

 

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:38 | 4981748 SuperRay
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Blown up by the neocons.  Those motherfuckers.  My wife worked in the north tower, but left in 1991.  She was sick for a week after 9/11..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3lq7nr6098

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:45 | 4981773 Lumberjack
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The secondaries are what the firefighters told me happened and that wasn't in just one building. They were in there and and know their shit so I cannot question the veracity of their cliams. One of my friends (FDNY) who was there is dying of lung cancer and confided in me what was happening. His cancer could be expected from long term exposure from fire fighting and is not an excuse, everyone there at his side witnessed this. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:22 | 4981866 Lost Word
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Lung Cancer could be from the asbestos dust from the Towers,

but there are reports of many other types of cancers,

and some writers blame micro-nukes as the Towers demolition devices

with the resulting micro-nukes radiation causing cancers.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:49 | 4982147 oudinot
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If there was micro-nukes there would have been a radiometric footprint that would last over a billion years.  There was no extreme radiation reported in NYC at the toime or now so I  that myth is easily debunked.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:21 | 4982222 Lost Word
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Obviously the Conspiracy has covered-up any existing radiology reports

that would reveal the truth about the use of micro-nukes.

Duh.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:52 | 4982156 Aussie V
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@koaj

I don't suppose you've read this????

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-n...

Pretty bloody interesting!!!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:27 | 4981710 HardAssets
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The truth on Pearl Harbor was investigated and released quite some time ago.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:00 | 4981809 SMG
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:32 | 4982242 Dennisen
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You may want to check out 'Day of Deceit' by Robert Stinnett.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 04:34 | 4982571 Dennisen
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Sorry...double post

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 06:00 | 4982614 omniversling
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What, there were Saudis dancing around on the roof of a van too? Maybe they met at the same flight school....

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 06:22 | 4982623 Sandmann
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Where do Saudi airlines train their pilots ? How many Saudi pilots crash their planes ? Who owns Saudi airlines ? How much did the Shorts on airline stocks prior to 9/11 make the sellers and where did they do their trades ?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:36 | 4982863 omniversling
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Some of the answers to some of your questions may be here...follow the rabbit down the excellent hole. Especially pertinent today, as the NATO encroachment on the RF goes hot:

 

Names, Connections, & Details

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk&feature=youtu.be

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:39 | 4981185 Anusocracy
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Another one of those stupid sayings.

You have a nation of laws - all made by those who benefit from them. You are getting just what you deserve.

Being treated like the dupes that the government lovers are.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:49 | 4981207 The Alarmist
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Laws ≠ Rule of Law

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:31 | 4981720 The Gooch
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+1

Rule of just law.

Truth will prevail... Eventually.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:55 | 4981798 acetinker
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Law is easily observable.  E.g; I throw a lump of dirt into the air, it will return to earth.  If I harm an individual, he and all who know him will at least shun me, if not kill me.  Tit for tat.

Methinks you're speaking of 'color of law', which is man made, and thusly horribly flawed.

This world would be vastly different if we critters understood the laws, and ignored the codification of same.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:51 | 4981414 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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My wife and I had a good laugh at all the stupid-ass sayings not long ago. How about this one:

"Ignorance is no excuse."

I particular like this one both for it's nonsensical value (there's literally millions of pages of law) and the irony (ignorance of law is the crux of what makes the USSA function).

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:59 | 4981442 The Alarmist
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In the old days, ignorance of the laws was no excuse for violation of the laws, but now that there are so many laws, it might actually be one ....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:33 | 4981550 wisefool
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Law school 101. Unconscionably: If a law can not be understood by the most intelligent person in the world,  it can not be enforced on any person in the world. The U.S. tax code is a perfect example of this.

The Saverin Lesson 

Follow the link or search for wall street journal facebook saverin may 21 2012

WSJ executive summary A punitive exit tax on the Facebook expat isn't worthy of America.

wisefool summary: Wealthy kid from brazil gets harvard MBA and simulateously cofounds facebook. Facebook is granted a market cap by printing dozens of billions of dollars. Atleast part of the deal is that these boy billionaires will pay over $100MM in taxes on the free money. NOPE. Saverin drops US citizenship, "flees" to brazil with $2B tax free, ignores the IRS and a "stern letter" from John McCain.  WSJ says it's okay because the tax code is too complex.

The US taxcode has always been a war machine rationing framework. It obviously has nothing to do with revenue, rule of law, meritrocity, or limiting the supply of money.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 05:22 | 4982597 Idaho potato head
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They are not men....they are devo

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:45 | 4980964 Duffminster
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You don't need to read redacted secret government documents to know that 9/11 was an audacious false flag.   You just need to listen to one fireman and if you want more details, watch the video "The New Pearl Harbor"

 

 

From Firefighters for 9/11 Truth Archive:

 

"...

Fellow Firefighters, A great tragedy befell our community on September 11, 2001, an unprecedented 343 deaths in the line of duty. As horrible as that toll is, if there were a rational explanation for it, we could accept it and mourn. We all understood the risk we accepted when we took the oath of office, that chance might cut short our lives when we placed ourselves in harm’s way in the public’s service. This is what we are paid for and it is our honor. However, in short, the official explanation of the events of that day are not only insufficient, they are fantastic and cannot bear rational examination. We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. We are asked to believe that the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, that responded to sixty-eight emergencies in the year prior to 9-11 in less than twenty minutes allowed aircraft to wander about for up to an hour and a half. We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”. There is much, much more if anyone cares to look into it. Trade Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish, which takes days if not weeks to prepare. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED AND LEFT IT AT THAT. Brothers, I know that the implications of the above are hard, almost unthinkable, but the official explanation is utter nonsense, and three hundred and forty three murdered brothers are crying out for justice. Demand a genuine investigation into the events of September 11!

-Anton Vodvarka, Lt. FDNY (ret)

Lt. Vodvarka served on FDNY Ladder Co 26, Rescue Co. 3, Rescue Co. 1, Engine Co. 92, Ladder 82 and Ladder 101. He was awarded the Merit Class 1 award, the Prentice Medal...." 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:46 | 4980973 Quus Ant
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Honestly, you only need to watch those three buldings fall.  Free from outside influence.  Without anyone muddying the waters.

 

That's it.  It's becomes hilarious at a point.  Then terrifying.  Then embarrassing. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:52 | 4981008 Duffminster
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The New Pearl Harbor is on YouTube now.  It was always available on a free to copy and distribute basis.   Hard to watch, hard to believe how brain washed people still are.  Much easier to take the blue pill.

http://youtu.be/8DOnAn_PX6M?t=14m55s

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:10 | 4981081 Four chan
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oh they fucking won alright.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:25 | 4981538 Amish Hacker
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Sure seems that way every time you have to go through an airport.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:05 | 4981819 TahoeBilly2012
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I was "shocked" and I mean "SHOCKED" to finD out that the Jew's that pulled off 9-11 are the same Jews building POLICE STATE URMERICA....I was SHOCKED!!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:41 | 4982252 conscious being
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TB2012 - better to say Zionists.  Saying Jews casts a wide net with a lot of innocents.  When TSHTF, I don't want to see innocents getting payback for something they did not do. Jews are used like the matador's red cape in the bull ring so that every time the enraged bull goes after his tormenter, the redirect has him take it out on the cape, while the matador slips aside and sets up his next move. Jews are involved with, Jews are opposed to the Zionists.

People like Prof. Norman Finkelstein, Rabbi Michael Lehrner, people in my own sphere of acquaintances. Iraq War protests in SF had some Jews for Peace, families pushing strollers. Many genuine Semetic Jews who's families presence in Palestine predates the Zionist entity won't serve in the army, avoid paying taxes, hate whats going on and don't support the state.

Your aim is a little off. Everybody gets fed the kool-aide. Not everyone can fight off the effects.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:59 | 4982374 Tall Tom
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I agree. There is a distinct difference between the Zionists and the Jews. Some Zionists are Jews. Some Zionists are not Jews.

 

Zionism is a continuation of the Zealots of the time of Jesus of Nazereth...Christ Jesus. It has been around for the past 2000 years.

 

BTW..OT...I am a 55 Year old Man. I live alone. You can visit if you'd like. My address is 12223B Woodside Ave. Lakeside, CA, USA. Do you like to hunt? Bring your guns.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:13 | 4981496 PeakOil
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Watched my share of 9/11 videos and in my opinion "The New Pearl Harbour" is the most comprehensive and unbiased that I have seen. Excellent questions, questions, questions and more questions. With precious few answers provide by the US government.

To say that the US government has provided adequate answers to questions raised in these videos is absolutely ludicrous and beyond belief. The obfuscation, evasion,  withholding, tampering with, and destruction of irreplaceable evidence, blatant lying and political pressure brought to bear on agencies such as NIST is unforgivable.

Treasonous in fact. THAT is what they are so afraid of. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:52 | 4981009 Duffminster
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The New Pearl Harbor is on YouTube now.  It was always available on a free to copy and distribute basis.   Hard to watch, hard to believe how brain washed people still are.  Much easier to take the blue pill.

http://youtu.be/8DOnAn_PX6M?t=14m55s

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:19 | 4981305 stuman
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This one has some good analysis and footage as well.

Regards

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bdp1nQZro8

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:54 | 4981475 DaveyJones
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It's really no surprise that something this modern, this large, and this complex would be impossible to pull off undetected.

And then there's the internet.

There is not one but probably a billion pieces of evidence that this act of "terrorism" came from our own family of thieves.

Try as they might, the BBC could not pull every copy of of their tower 7 newsflash being unfashionably early. If only the FBI were there to snatch every last copy but they were tied doing the same with every lense pointing at the Pentagon.

 I can never decide my favorite piece of proof cause so many of them are so macabre, bizzarre and pathetic they make you laugh and gag in the same instant. From Donny Rumsfeld disappearing like a magician only to resurface long enough to literally ask people to "connect this to Iraq to Tricky Dick snapping his reptilian neck around to bite off the neck of the confused and ignorant assistant asking if "the orders still stand, to Larry (I'll kill anyone for money) Silverstein who, unable to contain his glee over making billions for nothing, blurted out, in some sick contractor's valhalla, that he decided to "pull it" this play is the blackest comedy ever conceived to celebrate the true beginning of our end.                

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:30 | 4981892 gatorboat
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Yes, just watch 'em fall.  All the evidence anyone needs of CD, which takes weeks of prep, maybe months in this case.

So planes hitting them is nothing more than a cover story.  CD is the real story.  It was planned by elements within our govt, or had their cooperation at least.

So what?  What if the truth came out in bold headlines?  The American people would do nothing but talk about it.  Just talk.  That's it.

This govt can get away with anything they want.  Because the people just won't do anything about it.   Complain yes. But that's it, just complain.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:39 | 4981379 Monty Burns
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Anyone who makes even a cursory analysis of 9/11 will quickly realize that the Saudis were bit players whose role was to provide the patsies. The real perps were Mossad and their sayanim, plus elements of the FBI, NSA and CIA.  The official story is so blatantly implausible that only a fool or a liar would profess to believe it.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:40 | 4981582 socalbeach
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I'm having trouble trying to figure out the motivation of Saudi Arabia to have been involved in 9-11, unless as unwitting dupes.  Consider the following quote summarizing Norman Podhoretz' views. Admittedly it was made after 9-11, and it's possible the Saudis were so stupid they couldn't have forseen the consequences of an attack on the US, but I doubt that.

A Call for World War IV (September 12, 2002)

If we’re going to have a genuine world war, Podhoretz sensibly argues, we can’t stop with victory and “regime change” in Iraq. We have to clean up the whole evil Middle East and change all its regimes.

Lest the reader suspect that Podhoretz’s views are being caricatured here, let us quote his own words:

“The regimes that richly deserve to be overthrown and replaced are not confined to the three singled-out members of the axis of evil. At a minimum, this axis should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as ‘friends’ of America like the Saudi royal family and Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority, whether headed by Arafat or one of his henchmen.”

“At a minimum”! If making war on Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the Palestinian Authority (not to mention North Korea) would be the “minimum,” what would the maximum be? Overthrowing and replacing every regime on earth?

Apart from Iran, none of these regimes represents “militant Islam,” the alleged target of Podhoretz’s World War IV. The only thing they actually have in common, obviously, is that they are Israel’s enemies. World War IV would be a war to destroy Israel’s enemies — fought, of course, by the United States.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:39 | 4981918 Lost Word
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Some people have reported that the Saudi royal family is secretly descended from

Turkish Jews, the Donmeh, who pretended to be Islamic. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:28 | 4982330 Thought Processor
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Oy Vey

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:35 | 4982485 TheReplacement
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Is it not possible that those pages show the Saudi's who participated were recruited by Al CIAda but the planes were flown by computers ensuring success?  Since nobody who has seen those pages has come out and said it is the Saudi government why do we assume that is the case?  It's just as likely that people are only making assumptions based on the number of hijackers who were Saudi.  Perhaps we simply have no clue how deep the rabbit hole goes. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:04 | 4981821 logicalman
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Whatever works!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:11 | 4981082 PoliticalRefuge...
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emergency meeting... stay out of the hot tub Rep Massie..

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:35 | 4981734 The Gooch
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And Home Depot. 

)))nail guns(((

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:22 | 4980900 Quus Ant
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Hear hear!  Who was your oath sworn to, congressman?  

The end game approaches.  I know too much about humanity to bet on simultaneous, universal enlightenment.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:54 | 4981426 Rakshas
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he swore an Oath now that's a joke and a half, all these fucktards swear an oath to uphold the constitution too....... call me an IDIOT if you wsh but I kind of believe that oath over rides ALL others SUPREMELY.  Truly it appears that no American takes Oaths seriously at all....EVER... for if they did every congressman would grab the man/woman/undecided individual to his/her/its left and strangle the life out of him/her/it for crimes against the constitution/humanity......... not normally a violent person but ..... to channel Hannibal ...." It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:00 | 4981044 Antifaschistische
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EXCTACTLY!!   Oh, excuse me!  you SIGNED a document.  WHO CARES!!!   seriously....'signed a document' give me a break.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:37 | 4981178 boattrash
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CH1, reposting a link, back to a time when elected officials had balls, enough so, that it resulted in a death on the Arkansas Statehouse floor.

 

http://www.oldstatehouse.com/collections/history/knifefight.aspx

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:33 | 4981562 CH1
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Thanks! I had never seen that one.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:44 | 4981603 boattrash
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Quite welcome! I think we need representation like that more than ever. Pisses me off to see them talk about their "Friends on the other side of the aisle" as they jointly destroy the nation. If they mean anything, let's at least see some damn punches thrown on the senate floor>

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:27 | 4981297 HamFistedIdiot
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The Congressman is going about as far as he can right now. If he stuck his neck out any further, it would be lopped off. He's challenging Congress to step up, read it, co-sign the bill, and talk to their constituents. That is farther than any other congressperson has gone so far, apart from maybe Cynthia McKinney, but she was marginalized for it. I am a school teacher. It is DISGUSTING to see the propaganda the schools dish out for 9/11 -- including everything the fascist cronyist publishers Scholastic and Pearson produce. This whole nation needs to be deprogrammed, and that is what this Congressman wants. The guy needs to watch his P's and Qs. He didn't have to do this. Our nation is full of moral midgets, many in my family included, people who get angry with anyone who questions that 19 Saudi nationals who are still alive pulled off 9/11 by themselves with a handful of box cutters.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:37 | 4981568 CH1
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He's a fucking coward (Chelsey Manning had far more guts) and derelict in his chosen duties.

Not that I have ANY regard for the duties of rulers, but the dude chose that job.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:43 | 4981599 TheReplacement
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If he just came out and said it they could not touch him without sparking an immediate and extremely violent revolution.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:43 | 4981929 Lost Word
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No, if he told the truth, a "fatal accident" would happen to him.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:41 | 4981590 TheReplacement
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Exactly right.  If those 28 pages really are so shocking and important then exactly what kind of oath would keep one from talking?  If keeping an oath means perpetuating evil then the oath is not worth keeping.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:36 | 4982086 Tall Tom
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They are attempting to make a case for war against the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

 

This is a staged theatrical prelude for making that case.

 

We, here, already know that it was a Saudi funded operation. What a fucking shock.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:15 | 4982404 Tall Tom
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To the idiot who downarrowed this...

 

IT IS NOT THAT I SUPPORT THIS...BUT...

 

The Saudis hold a large amount of our National Debt. They are running out of Oil. Furthermore he has started selling his remaining Oil to the Chinese. 

 

If the United States Government can make a case for war then they can repudiate that debt and seize the remains of the Saudi Oil Fields.

 

Bandar supported the Tsarnev Brothers at the Boston Marathon Bombing. He told Putin that he had control over the Czechen Rebel Terrorist groups. The Tsarnev Brothers were Czechen Rebels.

 

Bandar is not like Faisal and previous Saudi Oligarchs. He is not Friendly towards the United States.  It is in the best interests of the United States Government, and for Dollar Hegemony, that he be removed.

 

THIS IS A PRELUDE.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:44 | 4982498 TheReplacement
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I did not down arrow you.

What if 'Saudi Arabia' didn't do it at all?  What if the 'Saudis' (15 of 'em) did it, or so they thought?  What if it was an operation where foreign enemies (willing patsies) were recruited to attack the homeland by act of suicide.  You play them by getting them into the country and into flight schools.  It doesn't matter if they learn to fly since the flights will be controlled from the ground anyway.  They just need to believe they get some virgins.  Flight school could just be an attempt at planted evidence saying these guys were capable of doing what they will be blamed for doing. 

Think of the implications of that and the idea of what you say about the Saudi Arabians being setup for the next war.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:16 | 4982791 Tall Tom
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It would be quite unjust. It would be as unjust as attacking Iraq for the events of Nine Eleven.

 

I am not for this at all. I am foreseeing what may be coming down the pike.

 

But it was Bandar's money that funded the Mossad operation.

 

Hell... That ignoramous Mossad Agent admitted on Israeli National TeeVee that they were there to "document the event". How in the hell did they know about it before it happened???

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:48 | 4982142 HedgeHammer
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I had to sign an oath that what I read had to remain confidential.

No you signed a fucking Non Disclosure Agreement which does not supersede the Oath you took upon joining Congress! Fuck this this is nothing more than "Let them eat cake" or rather a handful of breadcrumbs being tossed into a flock of pigeons!

 

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!! are we so blind!


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:22 | 4980897 medium giraffe
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Too bloody right Zer0, can anyone get this on drudge?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:14 | 4982402 russwinter
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Saudi involvement is just the tip of the iceberg. Looks like misdirection since the Saudis are now dealing with the Russians and Chinese. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:55 | 4980996 Seek_Truth
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Sure, here's the YouTube version:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbTe50UUgM

And here's the documented evidence:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_107.htm

Now you know, Representative Thomas Massie, R-KY!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:41 | 4982250 ceilidh_trail
Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:25 | 4984838 daemon
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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:35 | 4980936 RafterManFMJ
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I GOT BIG NEWS! Big! Shocking! BIG BIG BIG!

But since I'm a liar and a coward and a traitor I'll just simper like a bitch instead of photocopying these 28 pages and distributing them to papers like Russia Today where they would be printed.

Because Obama.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:52 | 4981012 Quus Ant
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I figure the TPTB will obfuscate, piss and moan- then finally release the material and it will not contradict any substantive point of the popular narrative.  Maybe it embarrasses a few low level grunts, says we could have captured Bin Laden years earlier, but overall reinforces the shitshow. 

Ya.  I give these guys too much credit.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:42 | 4981388 HamFistedIdiot
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Another limited hangout to appease the semi-awakened masses? Just 28 pages? The 9/11 lies would take at least 500 pages to list out. What about all the air traffic controller interview recordings that were destroyed by the FBI? I am waiting for a larger data dump. This is likely just another puppetmaster side show. But if it fills in some of the missing truth, let's have it.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:17 | 4980811 ZerOhead
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That's 200 billion barrels worth of free gasoline if the Saudis are implicated in sponsoring terrorism by the way. It's the LAW you know.

P.S. Sleep well Dick Cheney & PNAC Neocon friends... cuz when those Saudis get waterboarded they'll be coughing up names faster than you can write them down...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:42 | 4980963 john39
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I call bullshit.  Saudis didn't mastermind 911, though they may helped.  This is just seeing the stage to throw the Saudi royals under the bus and destroy that country as well. Brought to you by Victoria nuland and co.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:29 | 4981157 ZerOhead
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We'll have to waterboasrd a couple to find out not just who picked up the tab but who was actually behind it...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:25 | 4981700 espirit
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Just guillotine a few arbitrarily, then let's hear what they have to say.

After all, there's no compassion on their end for non-believers.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:50 | 4982501 TheReplacement
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Do you really believe the CIA would torture anyone and report honestly on anyone who could implicate the CIA in the whole thing?

In case you don't get it, I believe the CIA, or elements of it, were behind the operational aspect of the plot. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:45 | 4981401 HamFistedIdiot
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That makes a LOT of sense. Just setting the stage for a Saud family take down. Order out of chaos, brother; order out of chaos. :(

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:01 | 4982127 Tall Tom
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john39... The Saudis FINANCED IT. They were material in assisting the Operation. That IS a Terrorist act.

 

If I pay someone else to murder a rival then I am just as culpable of the murder as the hired gun.

 

However you are right about one point. The plan is to throw them under the bus.

 

As for the masterminds...That can be either in the Mossad or the CIA...or both.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 04:04 | 4982553 ebear
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"However you are right about one point. The plan is to throw them under the bus."

  Sooner or later, everyone gets thrown under the bus.






Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:19 | 4981111 Pairadimes
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1. A true patriot would have published the 28 page document for the American people to read.

2. Is there anyone left who has not yet figured out that Arabic royalty is the lion's share of the funding for radical Islamic terrorism?  It's a game they have been playing, in one form or another, for centuries. For others, it is how they hold onto their wealth and position in this day and age.

3. Want to fix the terrorism problem? Spend a few weeks creating a sudden rash of these wealthy financiers having fatal accidents. Then send the rest a nice letter with a picture of them asleep in their bedroom in it.

4. The simple fact that this has not happened means that people high up in our government have decided that the threat of terror is more valuable to them than the safety of their voters. You do the math.

5. This only ends when we treat the root causes of the problem, and deconstruct the leviathan police state we have created.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:26 | 4981332 layman_please
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if you really want to end terrorism then look no further than cia. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:23 | 4981697 Baldrick
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end the fed

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:44 | 4981400 Kirk2NCC1701
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99.5% of any population will not be swayed by “facts” if these facts upset them emotionally, i.e. the Implications of the Facts upset their prevailing worldview.

For example... 0.5% of 300 million = 1.5 million people in the US are consistently open to facts that challenge their mental models or worldview.  The rest are not (consistently open, or open at all).

That’s why you have to start with small, easy mental and emotional exercises that lead to positive results, before you wade into the swamp of people’s deeply held beliefs.  It’s a marathon, not a sprint.  It’s a prolonged narrative, not a punchline.  Especially when your audience is not emotionally ‘primed’ for the cognitive dissonance of your message.

Or, as I’ve said a number of times…

“People claim to want the truth.  That is actually not true.  What they really want is the truth that is consistent with their prevailing overall worldview and prevailing mental models about different parts and aspects of the world.”

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:03 | 4981459 Monty Burns
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Profound, wise words, Captain. That's why I think Snowden is releasing his material gradually. And maybe these Congressmen are also being subtle. They know that if they point to material fingering the Israelis or their 'American' sayanim they'd be instantly destroyed. But by innocently fingering the Saudis (who likes them?) they just might begin to pull the thread that ultimately reveals the full traitorous plot.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:52 | 4981786 ILLILLILLI
Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:51 | 4982904 BringOnTheAsteroid
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"99.5% of any population will not be swayed by “facts” if these facts upset them emotionally, i.e. the Implications of the Facts upset their prevailing worldview".

Isn't the invisible grey bearded skyman who talks inside peoples heads the most long lived and classic example of peoples internal and emotional world view being blindly and willfully ignorant of external reality.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:59 | 4983487 IndyPat
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....Isn't the invisible grey bearded skyman who talks inside peoples heads the most long lived and classic example of peoples internal and emotional world view being blindly and willfully ignorant of external reality....

These posts sit quiet nicely in my Christian worldview. Why would I be shaken by them? I expect no less than what I see here daily.

Or, just maybe it's the morally and spiritually bankrupt that think they have nothing to lose and no one other than themselves to answer to that allows this to happen in the first place?

So proud and sure of yourself! Certainly, the Bearded Sky-man believing are to blame for this, right? Those rubes! But YOU...you're much too clever for that. Why, you have science and millions of years of human knowledge going for you. Got that "external reality" thing all worked out. Good luck with that. Your ilk got us to this point and will eventually take humanity to such an over-the-top evil end because you thought you were so smart and that you could save yourself.
Certainly your master is just as proud of you for brilliantly exhibiting his most notable trait? So....illuminated...aren't you? Certainly nothing exists beyond what you can see and measure. Certainly....no one is taking score.
Relax.
Don't kid yourself. You are serving somebody; you are choosing even when you stamp your feet and say there is nothing to choose. More so, when it's yourself you've chosen.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 00:51 | 4986727 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Wow. My ilk got us to where we are? The world has been dominated by christians for the past couple of thousand years so it is your ilk that have gotten us where we are thank you very much.

 

Yout retort is laced with emotion but this is expected because the concept of god is deeply embedded in your neural structure and is indistinguishable from emotion. I don't think any atheist would claim for a second that "Certainly nothing exists beyond what you can see and measure". However, if something does exist beyond our senses and ability to measure then knowledge of this is forever unavailable to us. Don't you feel dumb for parroting the tired old invisible grey beared sky man who exists as a father and a son and a holy ghost and who was created on earth by immaculate conception and turned water into wine and fed starving masses with a loaf of bread and rose from the dead and listens to everyones internal dialogue and apparently answers some of them.

Come on buddy, time to call a spade a spade. this is childish claptrap that you've been indoctrinated with from the cradle. You can't help but parrot the stories and the combination of words that make people so identifiably christian. You going to tell me the earth is 6000 years old, that dinosaurs and humans walked the earth together, that revelations really does have predicitve power over and above the predicitive power of astrological charts. Come on mate, it's stupid. It's dumb. It's time we grew out of this shit.

Not knowing, never being able to know, there is something so infinitely wonderful about this. I would claim wholeheartedly that this is the essence of the spice of life. Existing for enetrnity after death, however, this is something that christians really haven't thought through. Imagine eternal servitude to a master, fuck that. But then, christians, jews , muslims aren't known for their critical thinking. You are categorically no different from an aborigine who grew up with dream time stories but of course in your mind the dream time stories are clap trap and yours are right. 

 

We are all humans, we are not all christians. Think about this over your next coffee.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:02 | 4981990 willwork4food
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SLOWLY about a year after 911 I started asking heavy questions to concerns I had prior that were not answered. When the full impact of what I was researching began to dawn on me I could have taken a dozen hits of acid, a few mushrooms and drank a case of beer and would have come out of it better. The TRUTH? YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

I still wonder if I can still, but now I can't go back.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:37 | 4986230 TheReplacement
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Disagree.  It is a race.  The clock is ticking.  We are losing.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:02 | 4981650 Bangin7GramRocks
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If he had a real pair of balls, he would shout out what he read and dare the fuckers to throw a sitting congressman in jail for informing the people. He may end up in a car with "bad brakes", but they would never throw him in prison.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:22 | 4981686 tarsubil
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Are you kidding? Instantly, every bad thing he's ever done and more would be known and on the front page. He'd go to jail and a lot of Americans would cheer. What country are you living in?

You know, I ran a race on the 4th of July and when the Star Spangled Banner was sung, I turned my back on the flag. It pissed people off but I just don't give a shit anymore. I hate nationalism. This country is about as crazy nationalist as humanity has ever been.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:05 | 4980820 tickhound
tickhound's picture

If what he read was just "embarrassing" then he is STILL nowhere near the truth.

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