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"I Was Absolutely Shocked At What I Read," Congressman Calls For Release Of Secret 9/11 Documents

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Late last year, I published a post titled: Two Congressmen Push for Release of 28-Page Document Showing Saudi Involvement in 9/11. Here’s an excerpt from the piece:

Since terrorists attacked the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, victims’ loved ones, injured survivors, and members of the media have all tried without much success to discover the true nature of the relationship between the 19 hijackers – 15 of them Saudi nationals – and the Saudi Arabian government. Many news organizations reported that some of the terrorists were linked to the Saudi royals and that they even may have received financial support from them as well as from several mysterious, moneyed Saudi men living in San Diego.

 

Saudi Arabia has repeatedly denied any connection, and neither President George W. Bush nor President Obama has been forthcoming on this issue.

 

But earlier this year, Reps. Walter B. Jones, R-N.C., and Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., were given access to the 28 redacted pages of the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry (JICI) of 9/11 issued in late 2002, which have been thought to hold some answers about the Saudi connection to the attack.

 

“I was absolutely shocked by what I read,” Jones told International Business Times. “What was so surprising was that those whom we thought we could trust really disappointed me. I cannot go into it any more than that. I had to sign an oath that what I read had to remain confidential. But the information I read disappointed me greatly.”

 

The public may soon also get to see these secret documents. Last week, Jones and Lynch introduced a resolution that urges President Obama to declassify the 28 pages, which were originally classified by President George W. Bush. It has never been fully explained why the pages were blacked out, but President Bush stated in 2003 that releasing the pages would violate national security.

Naturally, the so-called “most transparent Administration in history” hasn’t declassified anything, but that didn’t stop Rep. Thomas Massie, R-KY from reading them. What he saw was so incredibly disturbing he called a press conference to talk about it. This is what he had to say:

That’s three members of Congress that I know of who have come out shell-shocked upon reading this document. So why can’t the American public see it?

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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:08 | 4980828 thamnosma
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doesn't matter.  If those pages merely implicate Saudi officials, we're off to the races.  The rest will line up thereafter.  The Saudis were just junior partners, but they were partners.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:12 | 4980851 ZerOhead
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It will all unravel faster than pulling a thread on a cheap sweater...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:46 | 4980981 Chupacabra-322
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It will reveal Criminal at large Prince Bandar financed two of the 911 Hijackers.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:23 | 4981319 FeralSerf
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What hijackers? There is NO credible evidence there were ANY hijackers, patsies perhaps but NO HIJACKERS.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:43 | 4981396 All Risk No Reward
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It is already unravelled - the emperor has no clothes.

The Muppets simply can't admit it.

The Orwellian "crimestop" is simply too powerful.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:22 | 4981125 PoliticalRefuge...
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Waging war on uninvolved parties is nearly immaterial compared with the total destruction.. or should I say intentional, orchestrated destruction of the fourth amendment and the full on establishment of a totalitarian police state which had to be the entire intent.

.. do I smell a rat?, of course that could be my default setting kicking in again- congresscritters for the most part are a loathsome lot.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:13 | 4981290 Stumpy4516
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Right now I'm rolling on the floor.  Read all the comments, the ZH fans (of all people) believe there is a govt report that states the truth of who facilitated and planned 911. And that they allowed it to be read.   BS.  This is nothing but a preplaned Psyopp to steer the sheep towards others if they fear things are getting hot.  This was planned prior to the report ever being written.  This was stated -  It has never been fully explained why the pages were blacked out, but President Bush stated in 2003 that rel

My comment:

If the report does not discuss how Bush was involved in the planning and facilitating of 911 it is just disinformation

They do not know who the next president will be 100% and something has them wondering about being exposed (not real worried).

Maybe they are worried about what Russia will release as they get closer to open warfare with Russia.

And the Sheep will eat it up, maybe even attack Saudi Arabia for them while they sit back and laugh, and then take over the Saudi oil.

Or maybe, just maybe this BS disinformation says Russia had a hand in it.  Now would that not be a surprise and a timely disclosure for their agenda.  If any of these stand up american politicans who claim to have read the truth but, well, just can't tell us what it is, start talking up the bad Putin story it will be interesting.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:50 | 4981468 HamFistedIdiot
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I agree that this is a psyop. I am hoping it sheds some light. But probably it will reinforce some deeper lies, as well as justify additional wars, surveillance, loss of liberties, etc. As if the masterminds of 9/11 would allow anything that implicated them to be read by a congressperson of the plebes.

People need to try to think like a NWO puppetmaster. Always ask, "Who benefits?" when exposed to some new revelation from the establishment. 

Thank you for being sharp and incredulous. I count myself among the sheep, and we are often too gullible and trusting -- which works only when the other person is not a sociopath.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:26 | 4981705 tarsubil
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What if you're the disinformation psyop?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:49 | 4982151 Stumpy4516
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tarsubil, Now you are getting your mind right.  You have to think like that and to question everything and look for angles and who benefits.  No what feels good or what you want to be true.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:56 | 4982917 BringOnTheAsteroid
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So if you yourself are a psyop, then what you just said was intended to direct my behaviour so to avoid falling for your evil plan I shouldn't question everything at all and just go along with the MSM.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:12 | 4982203 HamFistedIdiot
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No offense to the good congressman. Some good may come of this. But let's wait and see how this newly revealed document is used by TPTB. Do they WANT this information out there? Will it be used in any way to undermine the Sauds? I think that is a risky gambit for the NWO crew, as the Sauds know where a lot of bodies are buried. I do appreciate the range of opinion expressed on this page. Much more than we get in the controlled fascist media. All I want is to have some guideposts thrown up so that I can gauge what's going on, and see where a certain trajectory of events might lead, ie, connecting the dots. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:20 | 4980845 New World Chaos
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It's not just the Saudis.  Israel knew of the attacks in advance and tried to bomb some tunnels and frame Palestinians.  Bush deported them quietly.  This is admitted by MSM sources.  http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html  Also, the buildings were brought down by nukes.  Pretty sure the Saudis didn't put them there.  I blame Israel and the neocons (most of them are dual citizens).  http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/10/%E2%80%9Clast-man-out-makes-shoc...

The whole scam will be revealed soon enough.  And some people will say "Hey, now that we know it was all a scam, can we have our rights back?"  They will get a billy club in the teeth.  Or a bigger false flag to rally around.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:29 | 4980922 ZerOhead
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This is where it starts.

And in time the entire fucking nightmare that has followed 9/11 will END.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:10 | 4981077 Cacete de Ouro
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Now, do the Tylers have the audacity to keeping running with this topic?
Better get some better web server security first, to prevent interference

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:22 | 4982409 Tall Tom
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You did not like Friday night? Neither did I.

 

Do not concern yourself too much. This story actually, in a roundabout way, serves the interests of the Elite. (It is unfortunate but true.)

 

The Elite are seeking a pretense to go to War to seize the Saudi Oil Fields. They did not like the deal that the Saudis are selling Oil to the Chinese.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:19 | 4981110 New World Chaos
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The puppetmasters have been busy stacking enforcement agencies with people too corrupt to care.  They won't give up their power without a fight.  But there are still enough Dudley Do-Rights in the power structure that they could muck things up for the puppetmasters, given the right conditions.  Those conditions are:  1) Death of the dollar, and pensions seen as worthless, 2) An American Tiennamen, 3) Exposure of some nasty satanic shit, and 4) Exposure of a major false flag like 9/11.  And yes I think all this shit will come out, and there is a good chance it will be their Waterloo.  Future schoolkids will wonder how we could have been so gullible about everything.  Future universities will have Ph.D. programs in NWO Studies.  The question is, can the puppetmasters stack their DHS Cheka with enough sociopaths before it all goes down?  Failing that, can they retreat to their underground bases and start WWIII as the ultimate false flag?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:17 | 4981516 Monty Burns
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Don't underestimate public apathy and the power of the MSM. If for instance in the morning Snowden revealed conclusive evidence of Israeli-sayanim 9/11 guilt 95% of the population would shrug their shoulders and go back to the wrestling on TV.  The MSM would pull out all the stops to play it down and/or discredit it.

As Captain Kirk explained very well in another comment on this thread, the awakening process must be slowly and carefully constructed.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:43 | 4986250 TheReplacement
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Do you really believe you have time for slow and careful?  Really?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:59 | 4982932 BringOnTheAsteroid
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If WWIII is a flase flag then what the hell is a real flag. I think we're starting to go around in circles.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:09 | 4981072 Hugh G Rection
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Sigh...

Also, the buildings were brought down by nukes.

Nope.  That is disinfo straight from Cass Sunstein's OIRA.  After unreacted thermite and iron rich microspheres were found in the dust and peer reviewed in the Bentham Open Physics Journal, the .zog funded carnival barkers came out in droves trying to obfuscate the most incriminating forensic evidence.

http://www.ae911truth.org/ is the most credible resource for understanding how they were demolished.

As far as whodunnit: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:07 | 4981243 New World Chaos
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Iron spherules also could have come from vaporization of the core.  Persistent heat in the basement could have come from neutron activation.  I don't know how much nanothermite one would need to get it all to stay hot for months while being sprayed with fire hoses.  Probably too much.  Fire hoses were enough to harden lava into a wall which protected an Icelandic village.  Nano thermite also wouldn't have caused thyroid cancer or multiple myeloma in the first responders.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/19/busting-911-myths-nanothermite-b...

http://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/22602/cdc_22602_DS1.pdf

The smoking gun is in the academic paper by the CDC.  Pretty sure Cass Sunstein didn't make it up, because the nukes theory requires much more Israeli infiltration than nano thermite does.  Cass Sunstein gave us the holographic planes theory.  It makes the whole topic look ridiculous.  You can't have a dark hologram in front of a light background.  

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:20 | 4981311 Hugh G Rection
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Steel was not vaporized or "dustified" as Judy Wood claims.  It was melted (as we could all see it pouring out of the south tower before its "collapse").

Understanding the disinfo:

No plane theories = People not talking about Dov Zakheim, Stewart AFB and remote flight technology

Space Beam/DEW and Mini nukes = People not talking about molten steel and thermite evidence.

I used to be a big veterans today fan until I noticed Gordon Duff purposely circulates disinfo. (He admitted 40% of what he writes is purposely false).  Careful with VT, I still like Kevin Barrett and converse with him on facebook, but that site is compromised.

Gordon Duff Admits To VT Disinfo

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:33 | 4981355 FeralSerf
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Where did all the dust come from? And THERE WAS A HUGE UNEXPLAINED AMOUNT OF DUST.

Whether or not you believe Judy Wood's theories about what happened, her presentation, "Where Did The Towers Go?" is a must watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY-ys24PCYQ

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:40 | 4981384 auntiesocial
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disinfo. confuse the people. hide the truth. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:49 | 4981411 Hugh G Rection
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Judy Wood is lying to defend her tribe.

Jesse Ventura entertains her theories to defend his life/tv show.

I'm a nobody that can say whatever I want (ahh the beauty of not having kids), and not worth the effort it would take to offer me the carrot or stick.  Maybe oneday my site will be big enough and I will get offered the proverbial 30 pieces of silver, or my car will veer into a tree...

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:45 | 4981601 HamFistedIdiot
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Hey, I bought Judy's book. Are you saying I wasted my money? 

I agree that the disinfo crowd is working overtime on this subject -- and anything else important to the Zionists, political elites, and banker class.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:53 | 4981628 Hugh G Rection
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You should have bought an ounce of silver instead.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:52 | 4981785 FeralSerf
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What is Judy Wood lying about?

Are you confusing her theory with a lie? A theory is just that. It is not a fact. And it is NOT a lie by definition.

I can understand how someone wouldn't believe her theory. Her observations and photos are priceless though. Her theories and observations should be taken separately.

What do YOU theorize happened to the debris from the towers? Why was there so much dust?

Do you have ANY IDEA what is necessary to turn that quantity of steel, concrete and glass into dust?

Why were there melted cars a mile away? Why were only some melted? Why did certain parts of the cars melt, but other parts of the same car that have lower melting points not appear damaged?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:32 | 4981893 Hugh G Rection
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What is she lying about?

Off the top of my head: The scorched cars that were moved from Church St. to the FDR.  The temperature of the rubble.  "Dustification" of the steel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JqoYrXcjTA

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:15 | 4983596 FeralSerf
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The photographs and physical evidence do NOT support your theory that "the scorched cars that were moved from Church St. to the FDR".

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 03:29 | 4982393 r0mulus
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I have wondered a lot about the melted cars. My theory right now, as best fits what evidence I am able to access, is that the active thermite was ejected as/within dust cloud, and was still reacting as it was ejected from the site. The cars were partially melted due to prolonged exposure to the intense heat present within that cloud. Think of pyroclastic flow as in a volcanic eruption.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:18 | 4982793 Lost Word
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Why not consider that BOTH thermite AND micro-nukes were used in the demolition?

Micro-nukes used in the basement steel core of the Towers,

and thermite used in the upper building and the steel perimeter of the building? 

Thermite needed in the Towers, in case the micro-nukes "fizzled", a failure to explode, instead of fissioned.

Remember, simple nukes can be made as small as an artillery shell,

and more sophisticated nukes only slightly larger.

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:29 | 4983687 FeralSerf
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Neither theory -- actually "hypothesis" is the correct term -- of thermite or micro-nukes fits ALL the physical evidence.

The rule is: if a theory doesn't fit all the incontrovertible evidence, the theory must be discarded.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:25 | 4983655 FeralSerf
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There is absolutely NO evidence there were elevated temperatures similar to "pyroclastic flow" in the 9/11 dust clouds. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary, including many statements of many people that were caught up in the dust clouds and DID NOT SUFFER BURNS from it like they would if it were a pyroclastic flow. The evidence is clear that there was NOT intense heat present.

Dr. Judy Wood's presentations present plenty of physical evidence of this. This is the reason her presentations are so valuable (and she is so disliked by the disinfo community). It is not her theories, which are just that: theories.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 20:11 | 4990887 r0mulus
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I did more research on this. The cars were towed away from the site to make way for rescue in the immediate hours following the attack. This is where the "miles away" melted cars idea comes from.

There was not a "pyroclastic flow" but rather a lot of still burning debris was ejected from the buildings and landed on many things, including people and vehicles.

I am still extremely skeptical of the mini nukes theory. In fact, I hesitate to even call it a theory.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:05 | 4981441 New World Chaos
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You mean VT disinfo like this stuff? Sometimes it is so obvious I wonder why it is even in there. Fear porn? Maybe they are trying to spook certain factions within the system?

A secret World Zionist cell of scientists on the inside... has an assignment to study how to prevent, harden and recover from any large aerial Coronal discharge from the sun or EMP attack over America in its skies. This is merely a cover story. They are allegedly working on a covert project to actually develop a new non-EMP high altitude inter-dimensional (quantum state) static discharge using a nuclear device with a special packing around it. It could be a lithium 7, positron anti-gravity type nuclear device and a special packing around it of an exotic metal or elements which can perhaps liberate special atomic particles inter-dimensionally which will stop all cardiac electrical activity and brain waves cold without harming any buildings within a certain range.

...And a worldwide surveillance and tracking system of all surviving humans and Alien ET hybrids will apparently be run by a large number of small hand sized cube satellites discussed and shown in a Veterans Today article by Chip Gene Tatum. (2) these small Cube satellites are designed to track humans by ingested nano-particle tracking from their orbital locations covering every square foot of Planet Earth. A good guess is that these cubes will also have advanced psychotronic capabilities to hive any humans or hybrid survivors that leave the Deep Underground Military Bases and reoccupy Planet Earth. Another good guess is that these cube shaped mini orbital satellites will have advance quantum state capabilities by which to initiate and control the hiving of all survivors.

If anyone EMP's America, it won't be on Reptilian orders as that article suggests.  It will be Israel.  Probably after the revolution.  Probably they will attempt to frame Russia.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:11 | 4981488 Hugh G Rection
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The VT disinfo that raised my eyebrows initially was the obviously fake video of a missile hitting the Pentagon.  With regards to what did or did not hit the Pentagon I'm fairly agnostic, but Duff had to know that footage was fake. 

Besides Duff, Jim Fetzer constantly lies about 9/11, and Blankeney is a communist shill.

I will read Sabrosky, Atzmon and Barret articles from time to time, but avoid the rest of them.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:26 | 4981539 Monty Burns
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I don't understand VT.  They seem to have all the right objectives but regularly print such total misleading bullshit it's like they were deliberately trying to undermine their own site.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:17 | 4981683 john39
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Similar to Jeff Rense, i think that VT often publishes obvious garbage so that they can stay alive.  Only those who can read between the lines can spot the true stuff from the sensationalist fluff...  tptb leave them alone because it all comes off as insane.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:19 | 4982039 Lost Word
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VT and others like David Icke use code-words.

Dracos and Reptiles are merely code-words for Dragons,

Dragons being descriptions of ancient Roman Emperors and Keltic kings of Britain,

with the Dragon being the symbol of the Keltic Welsh of Wales,

now controlled by their descendants in London.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:47 | 4982134 Hugh G Rection
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You disinfo trolls must not have a very good early warning system.  Always showing up late to troll the ZH articles...

Might wanna tell your boss to send Cass Sunstein a memo that cognitive infiltration isn't working.  I guess the next step is taxing people for telling the truth about 9/11, then banning it outright.

http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Infiltration-Appointees-Undermine-Conspi...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:10 | 4981815 palmereldritch
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For me the whole day was a giant question mark.

And being a fan of the Laws of Physics and the doctrine of Conservation of Momentum that runs contrary to the official explanation to the collapse of Building 7, I am still drawn to the edges of that freaky day and seek an explanation for an energy source that would be responsible for the clear and undeniable disintegration/pulverization of steel supports of WTC into dust in a matter of seconds. as evidenced in the following clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj8vRVnY4E4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKKtAlK2Lh0

Let's see NIST pull an explanation for that out of their ass....or any troll on the thread for that matter, go ahead, take your best shot

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:11 | 4982022 Lost Word
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Molten steel in the WTC basements

is an argument in favor of micro-nukes,

as the radioactive source of residual heat from radioactive decay of nuclear fission by-products,

which provided the heat to keep the molten steel in molten form, for the extended time.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:24 | 4982819 Lost Word
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I did not say anything about space beams and holograms, you troll.

I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, and which included Nuclear Engineering,

with the mathematics of nuclear reaction design,

and ten years experience of steel stress analysis.

What are your qualifications, troll?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:39 | 4983085 Hugh G Rection
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Of course there is no way you are lying...

What exactly is such credentialed genius like yourself doing pushing "alternative" theories about 9/11 on the internet for $1,500 a month?

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:26 | 4984018 Lost Word
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Would you like a photocopy of my BSME diploma and transcripts of Engineering courses taken?

A photocopy of my Engineering Honor Society certificate for excellent school grades?

I am not getting paid anything to write on the internet.

Can you tell who might be willing to pay me to write on the internet? I could use the extra money.

You still did not tell the world your qualifications to be a troll.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:36 | 4981368 auntiesocial
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I seriously doubt they will release the 28 pages. Either way - nobody gets a double indemnity insurance payout as obscene as Larry Silverstein's billion dollar payout on a mere 150M investment. You connect the dots. 

Osama Bin Laden didn't have unlimited access to rig the towers. Osama Bin Laden didn't have the technology to pulverize buildings into dust into their own footprint. 

Yes, before I die it would be nice to know the whole truth. Let the chips fall where they may. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:54 | 4981427 Monty Burns
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The whole scam will be revealed soon enough. 

I wish I could be so confident. Don't forget that if the real perps are exposed they'll be shown to be guilty of mass murder. Literally their lives are on the line. They've thought this through.

Two words are enough to show 9/11 was an inside job: Building 7.  Lucky Larry Silverstein had it rigged up with explosives and has admitted giving the order to 'pull it'.  Jesus, how much more evidence does anyone need?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:55 | 4981639 HamFistedIdiot
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Didn't everything surrounding the JFK assassination get sealed for an additional 75 years, including Oswald's fucking IRS tax return? The cocksuckers don't want any light to be shed on these things for a long long time. And when the time comes, the docs will likely have been disposed of. :(

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:24 | 4982059 Lost Word
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The Guilty are afraid that their sins will be held accountible against their children and grandchildren and any other living descendants, with extreme prejudice.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:50 | 4982438 putaipan
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fact check please- oswald makes the cia wall of fallen. (clicked it somewhere)

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:57 | 4982167 oudinot
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The towers WERE NOT brought don by nukes.  If they were they would lead a radiometrric footprint (radiation) for about 1 billion years.

If you don't believe me rent a gieger counter or scintillometer and take it to downtown NYC and record the measurement.  it won't be elevated. .  If it had been nuked the radiation would still be there.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:29 | 4982239 Lost Word
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Have you tried it yourself ?

Cannot believe the Official radiology reports, if any exist.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:55 | 4981479 caShOnlY
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When this comes out

when this comes out you will find that the the Saudi's just weren't our partner in the petrodollar .................

Add it up:  16 Saudi's on those planes but all we heard about on TV was "mohammed atta the EGYPTIAN".   Boston Marathon: Saudi is arrested and taken to the hospital where he is deported, overnight, and the Prince of terror himself comes to retrieve him.   HEY FOLKS WHEN DOES DANCING WITH THE STARS START UP?????????????????????

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:25 | 4982064 Lost Word
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When does the trial of the Dancing Israelis start?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:37 | 4981370 oudinot
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They both got the same memo from their boss.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:25 | 4981702 ToNYC
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Fight Truth; Win Security.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:56 | 4981024 Hugh G Rection
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Can I have a glass of water? I always get cotton mouth after eating red herring.

It was the Zionists Stupid!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:37 | 4981745 mvsjcl
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Make note of the people who pass dis-info. It is neither casual nor innocent. These people are your enemy.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:33 | 4981898 Hugh G Rection
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Indeed.

I wish this site was like Full Tilt Poker and I could right click an avatar and make notes for future reference...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:17 | 4981563 HardAssets
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Jim Willie has written about this for some time. More countries trying to move away from the US dollar fraud. They are afraid of the Saudis accepting other currencies than the US dollar, and moving closer to the new BRICS bloc. Willie said they would start to demonize the Saudis and that a coup was on the horizon. They may use NGOs and lots of Soros manipulated naive protesters. Or they could use radical Muslims groups that they control, finance, and arm.

Welcome to the Matrix . . . its built on lies and illusions.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:15 | 4981679 HardAssets
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- delete -

sorry, double post

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:48 | 4982435 putaipan
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SHOCKED I TELL'ZYA! ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED!

kinda reminds me of condaliza "there's no way we could've imagined flying planes!" sincerity tho'.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:56 | 4980775 mc225
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prepping the hairlips for a limited hangout.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:19 | 4980881 Sudden Debt
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The document is over 28 pages... That's over half a hour they need to spend reading that...

I'll make you a bet that almost nobody will do it. Maybe 5.... And 4 will get a hunting accident and the 5th will be in court for some sex scandal...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:28 | 4981320 HamFistedIdiot
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You are absolutely right. Everyone is expected to keep their head down on this one...or else. The Congressman is awesome. He needs to have a half dozen more representatives come forward and back him up. What are those Benjamin Franklin quotes?

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:22 | 4981694 HardAssets
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Same ole, same ole.  "I have information indicating something terrible, horrible, criminal . . . but I signed a piece of paper so I can't say anything about it."

So, an accusation is left in the air and everybody is left to guessing whatever they want.

Oh yeah, that congress critter is a real 'hero'.

 

Just part of the Saudi demonization campaign to set up regime change before they start taking something other than fraud dollars for their oil.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:43 | 4980930 what's that smell
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limited hang out plus strip tease equals shadow puppet theater.

think retrospectly bitchez and connect the dots....

zion, new zion (usa), and old zion (uk) are pointing the finger (shocking evidence) at the patsy (saudi arabia, russia, assad, iran nuke, hamas, terror tunnel, suicide donkey).

think, bitches.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:58 | 4981034 Hugh G Rection
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Isn't part of Saudi Arabia in the way of the Eretz Yisrael plan?

Hmmm.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:05 | 4980817 Jason T
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Ship + Sand

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:16 | 4980871 McCormick No. 9
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So this is what cognitive dissonance looks like? This fucker was one of the three monkeys,  ie willfully ignorant, and NOW he's shocked, SHOCKED, he tells us? My guess is these 28 pages are total bullshit. The Saudis were behind it if you spell Saudi with an I at the beginning and one at the end.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:12 | 4981086 Excursionist
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It's one thing to have a (conspiracy) theory about which you're reasonably confident.

It's another to finally see conclusive evidence supporting it.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:25 | 4980906 robertsgt40
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How about the "five dancing Israelis" that acknowledged(on Israeli TV) filming the "event" so that it could be "documented"?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:24 | 4980907 robertsgt40
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How about the "five dancing Israelis" that acknowledged(on Israeli TV) filming the "event" so that it could be "documented"?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:25 | 4980908 MsCreant
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Lips + service = stalling and distraction

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:13 | 4981089 Carpenter1
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What s sad and shocking is not those 28 pages, but the favt that people in his position are so ignorant.

 

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:43 | 4981930 mvsjcl
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28 pages? Pffft! 28 thousand pages couldn't even begin to capture the horror that is the 9/11 tragedy.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:21 | 4981117 rubiconsolutions
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This is old news. Does anyone not believe that the House of Saud was hip deep in 9/11? Or that this revelation will make any difference?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:37 | 4981183 doctor10
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An oath eh? To keep silent concerning treason or sabotage?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:53 | 4981629 Vendetta
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yep... they took an oath that apparently supercedes the oath of office and upholding the US Constitution and that 'goddamned piece of paper' stuff.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:44 | 4981197 snodgrass
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This is just an excuse to attack Saudi Arabia on behalf of Greater Israel and because the Saudis said they are going to accept non-dollars in payment of oil. These Congresscreeps are not going to implicate the Bush Administration, Israhell or the British role in 911.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:36 | 4981357 mt paul
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say what......

 

did he find a receipt 

for 100 tonns

of nano thermite....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:59 | 4981644 Holden Caulfield
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How about showing us a video of a plane crashing into the Pentagon.

Anyone who believes the official 9/11 version is a fool. Anyone who supports the official version is a traitor.

 

We will not have liberty nor will the world be safe until the real perpetrators are known

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:53 | 4981964 post turtle saver
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I'm not saying it was aliens, but... it was aliens

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:10 | 4982016 JuliaS
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Signed an oath? Bullshit! Entire congress, including the presindent swear an oath to defend the Constitution, and what good is that?!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:56 | 4982165 Freddie
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This is the best video on 9/11 that I have ever seen.  Everyone should watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEQOh2NVVLo&list=LLBGYTxXgz6MjdLtGEuVVE5...

There is another video where it talks about how Naval Intelligence was investigating criminal activities involving highest levels of govt and bonds that were coming due for hundreds of billions.  The certificates were in World Trade Center and Bldg 7. Plus there was gold in the World Trade Center basement.  Naval Intel was moved to teh outer ring of the Pentagon and were hit on that day.  They supposedly had the goods on top people in govt.  

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:31 | 4982479 putaipan
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shit + fan?- you mean like a big ol' michael moore crap in my face? yeah well probably.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 04:44 | 4982581 Divine
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Shit might happen to these fine gentlemen if they poke around the wrong topics. I still wouldn't put too much fate on these 28 page's - this document might be a hedge used against Saudis to keep em in line. It has probably not much to do with the real conspirators.

 

Still, If these congress rep's are nervous to tell the fine people of the USA what the documents included - then maybe you should get 200 guys to secure their houses 24/7 and try to persue them to go public. I'm sure more people would gather to protect who ever made the info public.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:35 | 4980675 Renfield
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"That’s three members of Congress that I know of who have come out shell-shocked upon reading this document. So why can’t the American public see it?"

Reverse these 2 sentences, and you've just answered your question.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:40 | 4980693 freewolf7
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Drive safely.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:41 | 4980707 Barry McBear
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Exactly, those congressmen got the red pill.  The last thing TPTB wants is for the general population to get anything but their regular dose blue pill with plenty of bread and circuses to help it go down.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:52 | 4980755 Thought Processor
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Plus whatever he read I'm sure is also loaded with disinformation.

 

You know, to protect the 'innocent'.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:20 | 4980888 Sudden Debt
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What's more amazing is that it took 13 years before 1 politician bothered to read it...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:06 | 4981064 where_is the_nuke
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Now the Zionists will assassinate him. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:21 | 4981118 Cacete de Ouro
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Avoiding light aircraft is a good start, but those three will probably coincidentally end up in a high class brothel at the same time and will wake up groggy with some dead hookers lying beside them

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:33 | 4981561 Monty Burns
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Or child porn 'discovered' on their computers.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:49 | 4982434 Tall Tom
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Planted by the NSA...

 

Who have been taking photos of your naked children at night through their Smartphones and Laptop Computers.

 

See George Washington's article posted the other day...

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/snowden-nsa-employees-routinely-pass-around-nude-photos-obtained-mass-surveillance

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:53 | 4982440 putaipan
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and it's not like any of them have the balls to just fucking "read it into the record""

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:04 | 4981446 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Freedumb's just another word for nothing left to lose"  (play on words from an old song)  That's why I think of "Freedumb, freedumb, freedumb!" whenever I hear people chanting "USA, USA, USA!" -- because, as someone once said "A 100% patriot is a 100% idiot".  I would modify this into: "A 100% patriot is a 100% useful idiot".

"Freedom is what you do with what talents you were given and what was done to you" (modified from a similar line: "Freedom is what you do with what was done to you")

"True Freedom exists only in the mind, and no one can rob you of that or bestow it to you, unless you let them".   Some Concentration camp or POW camp survivors have learned this the hard way.  But having a community of similarly clear-headed and determined souls around you goes a long way to keep that freedom enduring through a prolonged darkness.

- Kirk out.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:55 | 4982442 putaipan
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'american's will suffocate under the loss of their freedoms' - osama circa 2001-2 before his kidney gave out/assinated.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:38 | 4980681 ugmug
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Obama would release the document if he could actually read. I say release the 9\11 report and release Obama's college transcripts at the same time. Its time to wake up america and the press.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:43 | 4980708 headhunt
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Sounds like the money that funded the hijackers and 0's education came from the same source.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:00 | 4980798 imapopulistnow
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Obama can read - how else does he give such great teleprompter speeches?  He just cannot focus.  He is the slacker in chief. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:09 | 4980840 ugmug
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Hand puppets!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:04 | 4980813 magnetosphere
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what education?  from one of his few published works in the harvard student newspaper the man clearly does not know how to spell

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:35 | 4981570 Monty Burns
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Plus he thinks hu rules over 57 states and that Austrian is a language.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:38 | 4981376 FeralSerf
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How do you know there were hijackers?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:39 | 4980683 CCanuck
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This guy is fucked....he will end up nailed, or dropped, or have an accident while driving his Benz.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:40 | 4981381 FeralSerf
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He'll probably commit suicide. He should be put under suicide watch ASAP.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:05 | 4981469 Kirk2NCC1701
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He should also watch out for his kids' nanny or baby sitter, so she does not go berserk and cause an atrocity.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:39 | 4980686 potato
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The way all this has been unfolding, I wouldn't be surprised if the separatists in occupied East Ukraine had more weapons given to them by the CIA than Russia. Case study: ISIS

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:43 | 4980699 Bay of Pigs
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9/11 is the litmus test to see if you are awake or not. Everything else since then has been bullshit.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:04 | 4980812 chunga
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The smug bastards that disparage anybody that doesn't believe the official bullshit need to have the term "truther" shoved down their throats. These same people throw that term around like everybody else is retarded. I never argue about it anymore because a few fights have broken out. I want to believe this has legs but won't get my hopes up.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:12 | 4980847 thamnosma
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One thing we can safely take from this video snippet is that the official story is a confirmed lie.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:53 | 4981013 Bastiat
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Opposite of a truther is a liar.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:03 | 4981458 tradewithdave
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"You LIE!"

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:55 | 4981016 Duffminster
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About the only thing I can find that convinces people are the words of some of the first responders and the documentary "The New Pearl Harbor" finally available on YouTube.  That is is you can get them to listen.  

 

From the archives of the Firefighers for 9/11 Truth:

"...Fellow Firefighters, A great tragedy befell our community on September 11, 2001, an unprecedented 343 deaths in the line of duty. As horrible as that toll is, if there were a rational explanation for it, we could accept it and mourn. We all understood the risk we accepted when we took the oath of office, that chance might cut short our lives when we placed ourselves in harm’s way in the public’s service. This is what we are paid for and it is our honor. However, in short, the official explanation of the events of that day are not only insufficient, they are fantastic and cannot bear rational examination. We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. We are asked to believe that the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, that responded to sixty-eight emergencies in the year prior to 9-11 in less than twenty minutes allowed aircraft to wander about for up to an hour and a half. We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”. There is much, much more if anyone cares to look into it. Trade Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish, which takes days if not weeks to prepare. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED AND LEFT IT AT THAT. Brothers, I know that the implications of the above are hard, almost unthinkable, but the official explanation is utter nonsense, and three hundred and forty three murdered brothers are crying out for justice. Demand a genuine investigation into the events of September 11!

-Anton Vodvarka, Lt. FDNY (ret)

Lt. Vodvarka served on FDNY Ladder Co 26, Rescue Co. 3, Rescue Co. 1, Engine Co. 92, Ladder 82 and Ladder 101. He was awarded the Merit Class 1 award, the Prentice Medal...."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:42 | 4981390 mt paul
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NYFD

are a bunch of  cowardly wimps

 

for not demanding the truth

of why their fellow firefighters

were murdered when them towers

were demolished with thermite and explosives.....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:35 | 4981902 Lumberjack
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The unions were bought off. The old school guys know better. The newbies are now their replacements. Wash-rinse-repeat. This time will be different. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:58 | 4982443 putaipan
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hey fuck you! real leatherheads already know this is life death on the line....and saw their brothers sacraficed.

now if the nebraska navy would just come out and enlist their fellow leatherheads to a real pop-ulution... mmm.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:16 | 4982209 Freddie
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I always wondered why Bldg 7 was taken down.  It made no sense.  It was filled with govt including the biggest El See Eye Aye Duh office beyond Langley.

There was supposedly a huge financial scam at the highest levels of govt for possibly $1 trillion with some bonds coming due in days.  The certificates were at Deutsche Bank in Bldg 7.  Naval Intelligence had figured out what was going on and their office was moved to the outer ring of the Pentagon,  You tube had a video of why Bldg 7 and one of the biggest financial thefts in history. 

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/911-wtc7-and-the-black-eagle-trust...

 

The attacks … were intended to cover-up the clearing of $240 billion dollars in securities covertly created in September 1991 to fund a covert economic war against the Soviet Union, during which ‘unknown’ western investors bought up much of the Soviet industry, with a focus on oil and gas. The 9/11 attacks also served to derail multiple Federal investigations of crimes associated with the 1991 covert operation. Hundreds of billions of dollars of government securities had to be destroyed

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:08 | 4982293 mt paul
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important link to read

 

never let a crisis

go to waste

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:10 | 4982452 putaipan
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fuck the black eagle gold angle. lars schall and the sec pre-subprimediversion of the fbi is all you need to know. after that we're into kathrine austin fitts' spaceships type money.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:00 | 4981043 Hugh G Rection
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When my buddy ordered my sloshball jersey he had them print TRUTHER on the back.

I wear that shit with pride, fuck em.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 17:41 | 4981193 chunga
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The last time we had an argument at my place about it, a big fight broke out. Busted furniture everywhere...we even found somebody's shoe the next day. The old lady was pissed so fuck'em is right. People get very angry about it especially when drinking. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:35 | 4981571 DaveyJones
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...in fact the fight was so bad that a fire broke out in the kitchen and burned through the night but in the morning, the house was still standing.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:36 | 4981908 Lumberjack
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Even the basement was saved!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:36 | 4982246 Freddie
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So old lady cooks with Thermite?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:11 | 4982297 mt paul
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she must have taken 

same cooking class

as my old lady.....

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:28 | 4984596 ToNYC
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She's so cold she uses Sterno in place of K-Y jelly.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:27 | 4981708 Vendetta
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I now encourage them to continue believing the lies, they tend to be the same people that believe all is normal with the financial system and we are 'recovered'.  The surprise they will experience one day will be something though I don't expect them to be anywhere around me at the time.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:41 | 4980703 thamnosma
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I wonder if those congressmen would actually be put in jail if they just went ahead and revealed what they read....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:51 | 4980748 Seer
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And not blowing the whistle on crimes against the constitution, well...  I suspect that they're trying to get everyone onboard just to force a change.

I doubt, however, that it's going to change the trajectory.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:58 | 4980782 Eternal Complainer
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If this congress guy is so sincere then that is exactly what he needs to do.
Exposé what he read to force it out no matter what the consequence.
If the public should know about it and those responsible for keeping it secret need to answer for their motives.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:33 | 4980931 MsCreant
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Ask Putin for protection.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:46 | 4981941 chunga
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LOL!

It sounds crazy but where else could he go? A lot of people are bashing about "worshipping" Putin. Ha HA that's his only choice. Unless he goes to Feinstein blech ooo too funny ;but not really

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:27 | 4982234 HamFistedIdiot
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When you are in a position to invite the eye of Sauron to look directly at you, and only you, let me know how it goes. The Congressman is taken some precautions in this, trying to build a consensus. The risks are great to himself and his loved ones. I would probably do the same thing. Congress has muddled through the last 13 years with no one questioning the official "conspiracy theory." Why should we make this decent Congressman the sole agent of change on this? The nation has a collective responsibility to own this lie, and do what needs to be done to hold the traitors accountable.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:42 | 4982254 Freddie
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Anyone remember Congressman Curt Weldon (R) of PA and Able Danger?  They destroyed him because he was blowing the whistle.

 

Weldon later went to Libya to try to get Khadaffi to step down.  He probably knew they would murder him like they did.  Libya was one of the few countries where much of the oil wealth was being spread around to the populace.  Paul Craig Roberts said Libya was doing a decent job for it's people before they took out Khadaffi.   They obviously wanted Libya's oil and gold.   

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:51 | 4982504 putaipan
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i was kinda hip to 9/11 a couple of months after 911. but it was moamar and amy goodwins coverage of libya that was my line in the sand......

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:22 | 4980899 Sudden Debt
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Not if they all pardoned themselves.

Pussies... To serve...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:25 | 4980909 boattrash
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thamnosma, Exactly!

 I had to sign an oath that what I read had to remain confidential. But the information I read disappointed me greatly.”

ALL of the "Cocksuckers up in Yankton" had to swear an oath. Why does it only start to matter now?

Release the info, or bring us 535 heads in baskets (more than that if it's retroactive).FFS

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:12 | 4982458 putaipan
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no. again i interject- "THEY COULD HAVE READ IT INTO THE FUCKING RECORD!"

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:42 | 4980705 ZeroPoint
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More confirmation that the banking elite and the House of Saud have parted ways, if this finally coming out. Expect the petrodollar to be dead in short order.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:41 | 4980957 ZerOhead
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Who cares?

The saudis don't have nuclear weapons and have been caught financing the 9/11 terrorists.

Fuck the petrodollar... it's our oil now and a 27 year supply at 20MM bb/day at that...

Weeeeeeee !!!!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:24 | 4982416 Tall Tom
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You have the clue.

 

They should not have been making deals with China.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:35 | 4982860 Lost Word
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There are rumors that the Saudis bought some nukes from the Pakistanis.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:15 | 4982462 putaipan
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YEAH BUT-  as we have learnded around theses zh parts- on a long enough timeline can be a really reeeeaalllly long time

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