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"I Was Absolutely Shocked At What I Read," Congressman Calls For Release Of Secret 9/11 Documents

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Late last year, I published a post titled: Two Congressmen Push for Release of 28-Page Document Showing Saudi Involvement in 9/11. Here’s an excerpt from the piece:

Since terrorists attacked the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, victims’ loved ones, injured survivors, and members of the media have all tried without much success to discover the true nature of the relationship between the 19 hijackers – 15 of them Saudi nationals – and the Saudi Arabian government. Many news organizations reported that some of the terrorists were linked to the Saudi royals and that they even may have received financial support from them as well as from several mysterious, moneyed Saudi men living in San Diego.

 

Saudi Arabia has repeatedly denied any connection, and neither President George W. Bush nor President Obama has been forthcoming on this issue.

 

But earlier this year, Reps. Walter B. Jones, R-N.C., and Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., were given access to the 28 redacted pages of the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry (JICI) of 9/11 issued in late 2002, which have been thought to hold some answers about the Saudi connection to the attack.

 

“I was absolutely shocked by what I read,” Jones told International Business Times. “What was so surprising was that those whom we thought we could trust really disappointed me. I cannot go into it any more than that. I had to sign an oath that what I read had to remain confidential. But the information I read disappointed me greatly.”

 

The public may soon also get to see these secret documents. Last week, Jones and Lynch introduced a resolution that urges President Obama to declassify the 28 pages, which were originally classified by President George W. Bush. It has never been fully explained why the pages were blacked out, but President Bush stated in 2003 that releasing the pages would violate national security.

Naturally, the so-called “most transparent Administration in history” hasn’t declassified anything, but that didn’t stop Rep. Thomas Massie, R-KY from reading them. What he saw was so incredibly disturbing he called a press conference to talk about it. This is what he had to say:

That’s three members of Congress that I know of who have come out shell-shocked upon reading this document. So why can’t the American public see it?

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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:58 | 4981437 atthelake
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PLEASE email your senators at senate.gov and your reps at house.gov to ask these papers be made public.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:02 | 4981452 FredFlintstone
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I emailed Boner to tell him not to go to war against Syria. Now he thinks we are friends and has me on his email list. Don't be a retard like me.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:15 | 4981501 Berspankme
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Boner is short of friends. Apparently his dicksucking skills are waning

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:41 | 4981593 Moe Howard
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He does it as payback for bitching. Put his sorry azz on your junk mail filter.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:00 | 4981445 rm109437
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My guess is that the 28 pages implicated the Saudi government or parts of it.  There is probably enough involvement that there would be public outrage to go to war over it.  Imagine the consequence of that.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:10 | 4981476 QQQBall
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Quick! Discredit this guy already!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:10 | 4981486 unitwar
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They could show republicans videos of Dick Chaney cranking one off as the towers fell and have a signed affidavit from him saying that he planned and excuted 911 and Republicans still wouldn't believe it.  Dems either.  People believe what they want to believe.  They want to believe the US government cares about their saftey and is working to protect them.  You tell them anything other than that and most of them will want to kill you.  We will never know the truth about 911.  Has anything ever come out about JFK?  RFK, MLK?   Nobody that can do anything about it has the balls or integrity to do anything about it.  If they did, something would have been done a long time ago.  America, there is no hero that is going to come along and rescue you.  If you don't stand up and do something, you deserve what you are going to get and worse than what you have gotten so far.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:33 | 4981727 Jackagain
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Cognitave dissonance....narmalcy bias....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:15 | 4981502 BeetleBailey
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WHY THE FUCK ARE THESE PAPERS HIDDEN???

 

WHY THE FUCK AREN'T WE STOMPING THE GUTS OUT OF OUR SO-CALLED LEADERS?

 

WHY THE FUCK ARE WE EVEN LISTENING TO THESE SO-CALLED LEADERS???

IF IT WERE MY FAMILY ON THOSE PLANES....I WOULD NOT REST....I WOULD DEMAND.....SPIT IN THE FACES OF THE CUNT LEADERS THAT IS DID THIS SHIT.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:41 | 4981589 trader1
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:33 | 4981726 Rhal
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Great info trader1.Thanks for posting that.

Cross reference that with this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/4866520/Collateral-Damage-911-Covert-Ops-Fundi...

and more connections become clear.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:20 | 4982309 Rusty Shorts
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Thank you trader1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:00 | 4981806 TNTARG
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No planes, pal.

9/11 was the most perverse game ever played. The entire World fooled around, deceived.

I don't recall and I didn't read about some of the sort.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:19 | 4981508 caShOnlY
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My guess is that the 28 pages implicated the Saudi government or parts of it. There is probably enough involvement that there would be public outrage to go to war over it. Imagine the consequence of that.

Imagine Jim Willie calling the breakup of the US/Saudi love petrodollar love affair last year.  Imagine how public opinion must be swayed now we must reinvent the Saudi's as the most evil on the planet to justify some "jack boot fun".  

Saddam, no dollars for oil - dead, check. 

Moammar Khadafy, to create gold backed currency to buy his oil (double fucked there!!) - dead, check. 

Saudi's warming up to Russia? thinking of accepting some yuan for their oil? .......... Looks like the hangman is making his way up the steps.

my guess right now is we are so filthy fucked if the petrodollar dies that WWIII might be TPTB best option right now!! 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 03:39 | 4982538 putaipan
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28 pages and a new assange revalation....sounds 'bout like a middle east winter's bonfire to me....can you say "greater zion"?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:38 | 4981581 I Write Code
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And I was shocked to learn how dumb the guy was before he read the 28 secret pages.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:02 | 4981651 caShOnlY
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+1 for that statement.   me thinks you have to find a dupe to deliver the message to the dupes (keepin' it real YO!)  

Hypothetically speaking, of course, if you had a nation whereby 10's of millions of black people were depending on the gov't to survive and you knew the nation was going to collapse and those 10's of millions might ......hmmm...... "RODNEY KING IT", who would you place in charge of the nation to "talk to them"?  just sayin, yo.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:40 | 4981923 bunnyswanson
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Fuck you, creepy person who comes onto a website where 98% of the commentators disagree with him.  GO AWAY.  You should be hanging out with others who have similar view.  Why be here?  What good does it do?  Unless you are an agent provocateur.  

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:40 | 4981587 phoolish
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You had to sign an oath so now you can't talk?  Home of the phree indeed.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:44 | 4981604 Hard Assets
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Not bragging......

I predicted, end-of-year, that in 2014, 9/11 would go "Main Street/rebel".

(Not sure what "rebel" means yet).

This could go south VERY QUICKLY !!

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:32 | 4981897 bunnyswanson
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/911AwarenessProfilePics/

 

New project going on worldwide - I Am The Face of Truth -

 

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Mayor-911-Sept-11-World-Trade-Cente...

 

Mayor de Blasio says he plans to block a campaign to put a proposal on the Nov. 4 ballot that would require his administration to reopen a probe into the collapse of 7 World Trade Center on 9/11.

The mayor Thursday called the proposal an "insensitive and inappropriate action" after all the suffering on and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

He says his administration will work with the City Council to block the proposal.

The Wall Street Journal says the NYC Coalition for Accountability Now last week submitted more than 67,000 signatures to the city. If the council doesn't approve placing the proposal on the ballot, the group can submit an additional 15,000 signatures to ensure it gets on.

The group says it doesn't feel the collapse was properly investigated.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:49 | 4981615 trader1
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why this story now given the context?

 

it was first published in march 2014:

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2014/03/12/representative-st...

and here's the full 13+ minute press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEOF7wCIudA

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:26 | 4981626 notadouche
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"I had to sign an oath what I read remained confidential..."    Uh well what about the oath of office you took to uphold the constitution?  Which one is more binding?  The one to withold information from your constituents or the oath you took on behalf of your constituency?  

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:58 | 4981641 GrinandBearit
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"This is going to be the most transparent administration in history" 

                                                                                                  - Barry Odumbo 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:06 | 4981661 monkeyboy
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Fuckin' Oath!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:08 | 4981664 Dublinmick
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If this guy hasn't figured this thing out by now and needs reports he should be running a seven eleven somewhere.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:10 | 4981668 Runs-With_Toast
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Dosnt take much to shell shock em. Imagine if they really researced the lie

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:24 | 4981699 yellowsub
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Can't get more violated then the towers being knocked down...  Not sure what is in the doc that could be a security concern now other than hide the real truth.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:20 | 4981861 bunnyswanson
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"Stand down"

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:32 | 4981721 hooligan2009
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ponders 38,500 hits on the youtube video and 44,000 pahe hits on this site... redaction in action, or just that the article is more powerful in written form than the actual "live" interview

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:44 | 4981770 ohcanada
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That was the first thing that hit me 46,000 here and 35,000 on youtube.

 

 

share the shit out of this 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 03:32 | 4982529 r0mulus
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85k now...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:02 | 4982176 Lost Word
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The only purpose of a video is to show something that cannot be written and read.

Speed reading is faster than watching a video.

More efficient.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:32 | 4981723 Circle of DNA
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What about the other sets of papers that implicates CIA and  all their handlers, in this and numerous other crimes?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:33 | 4981728 Stanley Lord
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If it is a conspiracy, do you think "they" would let some dufus congressman read something important?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:36 | 4981740 bertone
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I have a question.....What is the opposite of love?....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:54 | 4981792 Rican
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Fear.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:29 | 4981888 bertone
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Didn't think of that one Rican.....I was looking for indifference...There are some smart mofo's posting on this site, myself excluded, of course.  All this shit that has been happening like :) forever has me guessing at what time/event we don't care anymore....hence indifferent.  And then action/resolve takes over.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 03:42 | 4982545 putaipan
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desire. desire and fear. c'mon dudes. aren't any of you bent sufi/vedantists?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:42 | 4981763 loregnum
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It's sad that 13 years later people are still going on about that event. It'd be one thing if people were demanding authrotieis explain how supposed utility knife wielding cave dwelling muslims were able to defy the laws of physics (and thus people were looking for the truth) but what you read isn't about that and it is more about stuff that really doesn't matter anymore. 

Pretty sure these guys didn't read anything about bombs being placed in the buildings or who was really on the planes and what really happened on them and it is instead probably more bullshit made up intel like say some Saudis helped the fake hijackers on the planes or Saudis funded the fake hijackers so again, it doesn't matter and is just stuff to keep people from actually asking for and researching the truth. You can say every single country was involved with helping the alleged hijackers but it doesn't change the fact the laws of physics were broken and the evidence doesn't jive (not to mention so much of it was planted) based on the story given. 

The sad part is anyone who actually is looking for the truth and accepts the laws of physics don't change for knife weilding Muslims who "hate us for our freedoms" is just labeled a kooky conspiracy theorist.

It's the same when it comes to the Bin Laden raid which was so make believe that it is depressing anyone with average intelligence believes it. I am waiting for the day when the government brings him back from the dead...again. They did it for that raid and they will probably do it again in the future.

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:46 | 4982366 bunnyswanson
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Opening up Pandora's box and revealing how 911 occurred is the best possible thing that could happen for America.  The security state in placed would be dismantled. do you have any idea what that means?  It would allow the good guys to look at the NSA data and use the information found as evidence this entire financial collapse was planned from the start. 

Putting cops on the street in riot gear with military equipment resulted from "fighting terrorists so there will not be another 911."  They would go.  It would all go.  The banks are part of this.  They are the ones who want globalization the most.  One currency.  One Government (see: The EU). 

Not to mention the politicians who would be testifying to why they made the decision to look the other way.  Everyone EVERYONE knows 911 was an inside job.  The architect of WTC is on video stating the same.  We just have to prove it. 

 

And hay, there is no statute of limitations on murder.  You may want to let these murdering bastards off but most of us do not.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:42 | 4981764 ToNYC
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Saudi accounts at Deutsche Bank profiting from AA and UA, OTM puts expiring 11-21 was way over the top. Check the blotters.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:42 | 4981765 ohcanada
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Share  the SHIT  out of this.  

So far 46, 000 + reads on ZH, today, and < 35,000 views on Youtube, since the 11th ... yeah right ... 
 
do the math.   

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 03:34 | 4982533 r0mulus
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you did read the latest intercept piece regarding GCHQ doctoring youtube stats, didn't you? george washington wrote about it on here, too.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:51 | 4981784 highwaytoserfdom
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too sick to comment.. Which I guess is a comment.  http://highrisesafetynyc.org/about/    Is Neuenburg possible before these sycophants go any further?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 20:53 | 4981787 highwaytoserfdom
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too sick to comment.. Which I guess is a comment.  http://highrisesafetynyc.org/about/    Is Neuenburg possible before these sycophants go any further?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:04 | 4981807 Freebird
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As old Winnie Churchill said, paraphrased .." when the Americans run out of options, then they tell the truth".

EDIT: Of course this was a reference to the government not the peeps.

EDIT 2: Of course the British government is holier than thou...

Enough edits...

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:04 | 4981820 bunnyswanson
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Americans do the right thing when eveything else they do finally fails.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:15 | 4981844 Freebird
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Yeah thats it, tx

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:12 | 4982013 Tuco Benedicto ...
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The U. S. based demons who ran 9-11 are "AINOs"  Americans in name only.  Dick Cheney please step forward and take a bow!

 

Tuco

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:45 | 4983106 tony wilson
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churchill raped kids and was a rothschild satanist

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:43 | 4983752 FeralSerf
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And those were just some of his less heinous crimes against humanity.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:06 | 4981827 stormsailor
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stick your dick in a light socket, you will be really shocked.  what a wanker.  it is a big secret and i will be in double secret probation trouble if i reveal it.  piss head coward, no ball faggot.  just looking for attention

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:10 | 4981837 Son of Captain Nemo
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Somebody needs to tell Walter "Freedom Fries" Jones, Lynch and Massie that they are being disrespectful to the memories of those lives taken on September 11, 2001... When NYCCAN tried to open a new investigation by placing it on the ballot in 2009 with the required number of signatures, Mayor Bloomberg with the help of some friends made certain that it would never see the light of day and had it removed just in time for that election?...

I believe the Mayor of NYC courtesy of the Bloomberg and Silverstein Foundation have a reeducation facility courtesy of FEMA for anyone who attempts to step out of line with the official narrative of the "Commission Report"!

After all. Who would be that insensitive and "blasphemous" on a subject so sacred to change the story after 13 years!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:17 | 4981850 theman
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I am very impressed with the IQ's here, yet no one mentioned the obvious:  (clue the bi-partisan nature of the inquiry) this is nothing more than a red herring - look over here while we (both parties) continue to comandeer 1/7th of the largest economy in the world, look over here while we open the border to wetbacks soon to be on wlfare and under govt control, look over here while Baghdad burns under Shia control, look over here while the dollar is assaulted in unprecendented magnitudes, look over here while ...

 

With all due respect to this thread:  this is a red herring!

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:31 | 4982076 Son of Captain Nemo
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With all due respect to this thread:  this is a red herring!

+100

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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:32 | 4982341 Freddie
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9/11 Masterminds - Explosive Connections (Updated Version) - YouTube

The saudis are a fall guy for years after the fact.   These people will never tell us the truth.   This is all held over the Saudis heads and I cannot stand the House of Saud.  Leave the dollar and go with China - we will do what we do to other countries in the region.

The only reason why Iran is not "taken out" is Russian top of the line missiles plus some Chinese and Iranian missiles.  The only attack small countries that they can wipe out and loot.   The NWO/USSA awith their media lackeys are murdering bullies.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:17 | 4981851 theman
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I am very impressed with the IQ's here, yet no one mentioned the obvious:  (clue the bi-partisan nature of the inquiry) this is nothing more than a red herring - look over here while we (both parties) continue to comandeer 1/7th of the largest economy in the world, look over here while we open the border to wetbacks soon to be on wlfare and under govt control, look over here while Baghdad burns under Shia control, look over here while the dollar is assaulted in unprecendented magnitudes, look over here while ...

 

With all due respect to this thread:  this is a red herring!

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:17 | 4981852 theman
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I am very impressed with the IQ's here, yet no one mentioned the obvious:  (clue the bi-partisan nature of the inquiry) this is nothing more than a red herring - look over here while we (both parties) continue to comandeer 1/7th of the largest economy in the world, look over here while we open the border to wetbacks soon to be on wlfare and under govt control, look over here while Baghdad burns under Shia control, look over here while the dollar is assaulted in unprecendented magnitudes, look over here while ...

 

With all due respect to this thread:  this is a red herring!

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:42 | 4982117 shovelhead
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There's so many red herrings that it's starting to look like an M.C. Escher drawing.

Even the red herrings have red herrings to distract you from the previous red herrings.

Red herrings all the way down...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:49 | 4984696 ToNYC
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M.C.Escher was all grey herrings. mind you. Geometry is color-blind.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:18 | 4981856 FanOfAnn
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Whatever the case I find it awfully strange that Muslims use Boston as their personal rally point. Be it Logan Airport or Marathon Finish Line. What's up Mr Lynch? Why do these Muslims feel comfortable in Boston? 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:24 | 4981874 get-sum
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I bet moozies feel right at home in any of the larger urban areas that are sanctuary cities....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:23 | 4981870 elephant
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The "revelation" will still be far from the whole truth.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:26 | 4981879 q99x2
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Right Washington D.C. politicians are the only ones that don't know what happened on 911.

Lying scumbuckets are they.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:27 | 4981883 22winmag
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How about coming clean on the JFK hit 50 years ago?

 

This country has been in the twilight zone of denial ever since. Everything that has come after is small potatoes by comparison.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:51 | 4984703 ToNYC
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All the way with LBJ.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:40 | 4981919 SAME AS IT EVER WAS
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"13 years" really? It's been 13 years now and only three congressmen have bothered to inquire about 911? WTF!!!

The American people (and the whole world for that matter) really know what happened on 911 years ago. Just do a little research.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:41 | 4981924 Freebird
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Silver 22, silver...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:43 | 4981928 Salsipuedes
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Instead of getting "shell-shocked" now, he should have "got a clue" when he left high school 1n 2000,

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:44 | 4981932 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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If you believe Obama is a muslim and works for Qatar this is the point in the story where he pulls out the shiv sticks it in the back of the Saudi Royal Family so the Caliphate can get access to Mecca either through over running the place once tshtf or through regime change and in turn putting them at the head of petrodollar in one fell swoop.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:55 | 4981967 Salsipuedes
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  You said it. Prince Yer Booty's time has come. We create clowns, we humor them, we take 'em out, we move on.........to EASY MONEY AND INFAMY!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:28 | 4982070 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Not only that they get even with Egypt over the Muslim Brotherhood at the same time since Egypt will most likely back the Saudi Royal Family when shit gets hot.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:44 | 4981934 Grouchy Marx
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“I was absolutely shocked by what I read,” Jones told International Business Times.

How about that. I was kinda shocked to find a congressman reading something; after all, per Nancy Pelosi, it isn't necessary to read a bill before signing it.

It is more disconcerting to me that a congressman is being held to a gag order on something that cannot have any impact on our national security, than whatever the contents of those pages might be. Frankly, I can't believe anything in those 28 pages will shock me at all.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:52 | 4981956 Apocalyptic Cav...
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If you want action sign this petition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Short URL: http://wh.gov/lM4MW
Save and Share this URL: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/declassify-28-redacted-pages-joint-intelligence-committee-inquiry-jici-911-issued-late-2002/P45K1q90

 

 

Do something other than complain.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:32 | 4982080 shovelhead
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whitehouse.gov

Hahahahaha.

Someone want to help this poor guy out? I think he bumped his head falling off the turnip truck.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 07:12 | 4982674 Wahooo
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3 signatures. Pathetic.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:05 | 4981997 TNTARG
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Facts we can believe in, given the proof at hand...

1. There were no planes. Not at the WTC, not at the Pentagon.

2. The towers and WT7 were turned into fine dust by nuclear devices already planted on the buildings

3. The Pentagon was hit by a missile

4. CIA and the Mossad were involved

5. Rumsfeld knew about it; Bush, Richard "Dick" Bruce Cheney knew the game...

6. The élite (TPTB) were the brain behind the attacks

There are interesting books on the subject. I've read another one months ago, from a guy Dimitri Khalezov (911tholgy, "The Third Truth" or so). Putting all the readings togheter, you can more or less figure it out...

In the end, details are not that important. The big picture is outrageous, though. The absolute impunity with which they laughed in the face of the whole World, at the UN, the complicity of all the MSM... (OK, they control the MSM, we know that, but the press workers, everything it's all right for this people?)  

Then they murdered one milion people, they have destroyed Afghanistan, Irak and  they've committed all kind of horrors using their own creation (9/11) as the excuse...

However they've caused another effect: Since then, nobody with two functioning neurons belives in govts words anymore,  as nobody believes the MSM. Or the UN.

It was a turning point. It's irreversible.

We're just witnessing and living and in some cases shaping the transition.  

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:36 | 4982088 Zeta Reticuli
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My wife was outside in Manhattan when the planes hit. She saw both of them. Thousands of people saw them. A lot of people videotaped them, including TV news teams.
You need to go back on your meds.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:39 | 4982105 GoldenDonuts
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Your wife didn't see a plane hit building 7 and yet where is it?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 07:48 | 4982736 Zeta Reticuli
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She only saw the two.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:01 | 4982153 TNTARG
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Yeah, right.

Planes made of butter.

I have a functioning brain, pal.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:07 | 4982188 Lost Word
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They were not Airliners, but instead Boeing 767 military remote control drones.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:04 | 4982287 TNTARG
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Zeta Reticuli, my kids told me that at the Physics' class in Elementary School they've learned that the atomic mass of aluminum is 26.981539 atomic mass units. The density is 2.702 grams per centimeter cubed.  55.845 is the atomic mass of iron while density of iron is 7,850 kg/cu.meter. They've also learned that steel is stronger than iron.

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 07:07 | 4982671 tvdog
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Not to mention the facts that (a) no steel framed building has ever collapsed from fire, except on 9/11; (b) the maximum temperature an office fire can reach is less than half the melting point of structural steel; and (c) World Trade Center 1 and 2 were filled with asbestos, old, and not fully rented. (c) means that Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder on WTC 1 and 2 saved billions in asbestos removal costs and instead got a $4.55 billion windfall from an insurance policy that he took out one month before.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 08:00 | 4982764 The Wedge
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Steel does NOT have to melt to fail. Deformed steel heated for an extended period will fail even faster. Basic physics. And there have been plenty of steel framed buildings collapse. If you don't put water on them they will collapse. Buildings that are not worth the lives of fire fighters are allowed to burn and collapse. LIKE WT7! It had a gaping hole in it from the roof to the first floor. Chief on the scene sent a few guys in to make sure no one was left. They didn't make it very far because of the damage and FIRE. The chief made the decision not to put water on the building because it was not worth the risk and was to far gone. They cordoned it off knowing that it would likely collapse. Sure enough, after it burned 9 hours it came down. For you to believe this controlled demolition crap you'd have to believe all the firefighters on scene are fucking liars. You'd have to believe that the building was not on fire or had a gaping hole from the roof to the first floor. Hell you have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion. Lets see: controlled demolition would involve hundreds of people. A simple clandestine op would involve a handful of people. So, whole lotta people to keep quite or just a handful? The more you push outlandish theories the further the truth gets away from all of us.

I have a concussion now from banging my head against this brick wall.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:54 | 4983800 FeralSerf
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"Basic physics", and common sense as well, will tell you that there cannot be a symmetrical collapse due to NON-symmetrical heating in a structure. The larger a structure is, the more this must be the case.

The fires in the WTC buildings were ABSOLUTELY NON-SYMMETRICAL as is clearly shown in all videos of the 9/11 terror attacks. Therefor it's IMPOSSIBLE for the symmetrical collapses to be caused by fire.

If something's impossible, it didn't happen.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:09 | 4982009 GoldenDonuts
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So why did building 7 fall down?   aynybody? ....  Anybody?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:24 | 4982061 Salsipuedes
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Are you kidding? You want a complete 3-year asbestos retro-fit to the tune of 25 million smackers on a building that's half full or a cool billion insurance pay-out and that pad in Barbados with the pool shaped like Marilyn Monroe? You really gotta ask? You FIX IT!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:27 | 4982067 shovelhead
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Nervous breakdown?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:11 | 4982197 Tuco Benedicto ...
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In "sympathy" for the twin towers and, of course "gravity".

Tuco

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:24 | 4982318 T-NUTZ
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"pull it"

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:42 | 4982359 Freddie
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Search Building 7, Naval Intelligence, Bank of NY, Black Eagle Trust

The 9/11 attacks also served to derail multiple Federal investigations of crimes associated with the 1991 covert operation. Hundreds of billions of dollars of government securities had to be destroyed.

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/911-wtc7-and-the-black-eagle-trust...

 

9/11 Masterminds - Explosive Connections (Updated Version) - YouTube

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 04:05 | 4982556 hootowl
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It was tired and hadn't slept for 3 days.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:11 | 4982023 TNTARG
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The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.

John F. Kennedy


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:22 | 4982053 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Is a "Saudi Spring" just around the corner!?  Bye, bye Saudi Royals!

Tuco

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:09 | 4982192 Lost Word
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And it was a secret society that had its part in killing JFK.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:26 | 4982065 shovelhead
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My buddy who is a construction engineer calls 9/11 " The day Physics died".

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:28 | 4982069 Karaio
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Eight years ago the Net was heard much talk about "feet of clay" in the statue. 

This kind of discussion is gone, finished. 

Were cilenciados. 

Formerly it was no sin to talk about fat, blacks, gays, today's politically correct critique inbecil. 

Carry a gun or learn to use a gun with seven years of age today is absurd, formerly was normal. 

Telling the truth in small communities was the norm nowadays lying is the norm. 

Times have changed, unfortunately for the worse. 

I am against the politically correct, it is screwing our relationship. 

You can not say what you think. 

Unfortunately it is. 

:-/

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:37 | 4982074 dizzyfingers
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Sick of bullshit!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:24 | 4982099 windcatcher
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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:38 | 4982100 windcatcher
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Treasonous “open border” secret trade agreements of the North American Union is nothing new, the plan has been on the books, funded and underway for the last 13 years. The target of “open border” illegal immigration is to destroy our American Sovereignty and American Independence with government and NGO funded and orchestrated attacks on our borders with the use of illegal immigrants. The second objective is to create civil unrest and chaos which the criminals in Washington specialize in.
I know most Americans cannot believe that the attack on 9/11/01 was an “inside Job” that orchestrated us into national debt with “terrorist wars” for the last 13 years. They cannot believe that our Representative Republic, constitutional democracy (government of, for and by the People) has been purposely destroyed and replaced with a totalitarian fascist police state.
Americans cannot believe that our Free Enterprise System of capitalism (free from corporate monopoly) and “Fair Trade” has been destroyed by “Free Market” monopoly corporatism and “Free Trade” (multinational corporate monopolies are free to steal what ever they want, from whom ever they want, and do it legally).
Americans cannot believe that Washington would purposelessly bankrupt the USA. Debt is Wealth, they have been brainwashed to believe, --as we go underwater.
Mission Accomplished! Bush/Obama/banksters and crew!!!!
Our democracy is gone, our Free Enterprise System of capitalism is gone. We are bankrupt! The grand ole United States of America, like Greece, Portugal and others is going into receivership of the BIS and the IMF (same criminal banksters). At that point, we are no longer an independent and sovereign nation and you and your children, as citizens, are legal debt slaves to the global central banksters.
The illegal immigration attack coincides with the UN Agenda 21st. Century attack and the North American Union attack that are sponsored by the same criminal banksters.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:18 | 4982408 Karaio
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You are a beautiful SPAM. 

Welcome. 

hehe.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:34 | 4982424 IridiumRebel
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Inane nothingness is all you provide. Go find a mirror and laugh at yourself.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:39 | 4982104 Seize Mars
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The Saudis don't have any role in anything. These morons aren't capable of assassinating anything other than a case of scotch and a pocket full of Khat.

I'll be shocked when someone has the courage to speak the truth: that one of the prime operatives in the 911 mission was none other than Israel.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 04:25 | 4982564 Otrader
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You're wrong about Israel on this one. I mean, it's not like they were dancing on roof tops when this happened.  Oh wait....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:48 | 4982115 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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This was always the most damning piece of evidence concerning 9/11. The redesigns of all the bills started in 1996 (1+9+9+6 = 25 = 2+5 = 7) all done and in circulation by 2000 showing the towers collapsing in order from the 5 through the 100 when folded liked planes.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/government-conspiracy-on-dollar-bi...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Note#Series_1996.E2.80.932006

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:42 | 4982118 Karaio
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Theoretically, a politician representing the people, am I right? 

Theoretically, if my representative vote reads or something is using my will, I am sure? 

So why in the name of God, the bastard did not tell me what to read? 

Can only be because they lack money, you're saying that because you have not paid the agreed to keep quiet. 

hehe.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:18 | 4982130 windcatcher
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WhooHoo triple

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:17 | 4982133 windcatcher
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double

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:47 | 4982135 windcatcher
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Most Americans are so brainwashed smug, insensitive and indifferent to the ongoing insanity of war thrust on the millions of Iraq people over the last 11 years. Most Americans feel no danger, responsibility or remorse for harboring the war criminals that created the “inside job” attacks on 9/11/01 and orchestrated us into national debt with a treasonous “terrorist war” with Iraq.

 

The target of “open border” illegal immigration is to destroy our American Sovereignty and American Independence with government and NGO funded and orchestrated attacks on our borders with the use of illegal immigrants. The second objective is to create civil unrest and chaos which the criminals in Washington specialize in. The war criminals in Washington are bringing the “hot” war home,

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:50 | 4982148 PennilessPauper
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# 3 TSA should be replaced by Homeland security. TSA is what they had before Bush vastly increased the size of the Federal Government by creating Homeland Security. Republicans are as Dumb as Democrats.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:27 | 4982331 merchantratereview
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Pre-911, each airport used to handle their own security privately. The airports were responsible for security, just like buildings, shopping centers, etc...

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 07:16 | 4982681 tvdog
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And they didn't grab your junk at the airport, either.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:53 | 4982158 UGrev
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You have taken an oath to the people, mother fucker... spill the beans and take one for the team. The people will vindicate you for telling truth over lies... 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:49 | 4982181 GoinFawr
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No comments from nmewn and the echochambermaidens on this thread? Hunh.

 

Go figure.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:19 | 4982217 esum
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shocked at what.... that the fbi had a paid informant who told them that 2 of the hijackers he was putting up planned to hijack planes and fly into buildings ... AND THE FBI DID NOTHING...

shocked at what .... that the CIA turned 2 of the hijakcers (mentioned above) over to the FBI due to the clinton/jamie gorlick wall.... who did nothing...

shocked at what,.. that several saudi members of the saudi royal family directly funded and had prior knowledge of the event.. whcih the sauids subsequently took out into the desert and murdered them to keep the silence...

shocked at what... that philippine intel had ramsay yousef's (cousin of KSM) computer outlining the plot to hijack aircraft....yes that ramsay yousef, the one who taught timothy mcveh how to fabriate the ok city bomb... and told the fbi of the various plots and the fbi did nothing ....

shocked at what .... that bill bj clintoon gave carte blanche to the sauidis to issue visas wothout any background check, allowing the jijackers to enter the ussa...

shocked at what.... that bill bj clintoon had 3 chances to kill obl and passed fearing for retaliation against him and his family...

shocked at what .... the the security detail at logan wsa manned by the ex iraqi revolutionary guard, the same one seen exiting the truck with timothy mcveh at the ok city bombing.....the man indetified by his tatoos by eyewitnesses that the fbi deleted from its investigaiton....

the fbi continues its proud tradition of doing nothing til after the fact despite prior knowledge........ example: boston marathon..... what's next.... 

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:53 | 4983798 Seer
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You manage to poke at Clinton but no mention of members of the administration at the time of and directly leading up to the "event?"

I smell Party Pussy...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:24 | 4982227 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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The USA Government will string the American people along for as long as it takes to rewrite history to conform to the official version. They did it with the Kennedy assassination and they will do the same with 911. Same old wine in a new bottle with a different label. No matter how many secrets they claim to have the official version will always be espoused by the administration. Nothing changes except the suits, ties, hats, and shoes. The people will always be the same no matter how they dress.

p.s. don't hold your breathe waiting for 'truth'.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:33 | 4982482 bunnyswanson
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Well, the fact that the country is now bankrupt, a police state with a couple hundred million confused and worried people leads one to believe this gig is either going to end or you'll need to find a new country to call home (good luck with that) which allows a man and woman to reach their goals (raise a fucking family bitchez).

 

http://www.lost-civilizations.net/ancient-egypt-egiptian-pharaoh-akhenat...

 

Karen Hudes (World Bank attorney/whistle blower) is on Youtube (her comments are worth reading just to give you some insight in what she is declaring) telling the crowd that the entire fiasco called our reality is caused by the people described in the link. Homocapsisens... they're the culprits.  We going to accept that as well?  I believe they are counting on it.  We owe the future at least a little effort to get this world under control.  This is just ridiculous.  Really, it's sleaze in charge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM_hYgvhHRQ

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 03:21 | 4982522 bunnyswanson
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Speaking of Greg Hunter, here is his latest interview with Rob Kirby - and they go over globalists who are behind the dissolution of our countries via dastardly ways..  Good as always.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrDuMZ-8srQ

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:02 | 4983856 Seer
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"We owe the future at least a little effort to get this world under control. "

The "problem" has been "control"- too much of it.

We can click our heels and want all sorts of things.  We can "convert" the "evil ones" (whomever one sees them as).  We can all hold hands and be "united" under some common belief/set of rules.  BUT, we can NOT create matter- we cannot create/extract resources that don't exist in order to continue our paradigm of perpetual growth (on a finite planet).  ALL WARS are about resources.  When resources become even more scarce (on a per-capita basis) it doesn't matter how much we're all "on the same page," we're going to do what all animals do- look to eliminate competition for essential resources.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:13 | 4985475 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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I warned Karen Hudes about the US PSYOPS op against her last year.

She thanked me for the warning. Yes, I am well aware of Karen Hudes.

She is a gutsy lady for sure and we should all tip our hat to her for the effort she has made. The USA administration lives in denial because they are controlled by two political parties that are equally incapable of grasping reality. Politicians do not fall on their swords and neither will their respective political parties. The problem with America is to be found in the 'party' system. This is a system of 'plausible deniability' so that

they cannot be held to account, ever. The municipal levels of governance

his their decision making behind 'consultants' that are third party so that the inhouse 'experts' cannot be fired for mistakes on over-runs,

time delays, et cetera. Government is just a mafia with pit bosses n' buffers. And when it comes to a 'future' I would say there will be nothing until this $1.4 quadrillion derivatives universe implodes. After the implosion who the hell knows? Sorry about the lack of 'optimism' but I am not George Bush living in denial.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:24 | 4982229 Down to Earth T...
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I will put a link up on my site. Bldg 7 was a give away but there are many anomolies that prove the gov story was not the real story by simple physiscs. Diesel fuel does NOT burn hot enough to melt steel beams without an air pump and there was no airplane that hit the Pentagon , but a Russian missile, perhaps by rogue agents but I do no know that part ? Also the plane ove PA was shot down by an Air Guard Missile from an F15 .What I do know is that we do NOT have the truth of the matter or anything even close really, that is why this guy is so tweeked by it. This has all been known for many years now so maybe we will get to the bottom of it ? We shall see? Just one of the many illusiosn we all live under here in USSA today where your tax dollars are used against you every second of everyday ! So yes you are being forced to get fucked and paying for it ! 

Ever wonder why no video of an airplane hitting the Pentagon was ever released? The Penatgon has many cameras from every possibe angle. Our governemnt has simply morphed into a giant criminal enterprise and Obama has just put it all on steroids because he can ? Prepare yourselves laddy's its all at my site for free ! and a whole lot more. Get off the couch and get rid of some of that fat and quit complaining and DO something about what is going on for yourselves ! Or do nothing and be a victim ! Lots of rabbit holes to go down at the site ! www.downtoearththinking.com   Good on Ya !

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:53 | 4982508 are we there yet
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Steel girders do not have to melt. They only have to soften under high heat, then bend, over stress rivets or joints. Then cascading failure takes over. The video shows that the collapse started where the plane impact had weakened the structure.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 03:31 | 4982527 zerohedgejjxxzz12
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There are  2 very good videos for you to watch that deny this claim

endorsed by over 200 Architects and Engineers who build these buildings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-V1CiuGMJo

 

These building were brought down by thermite.

The planes were just a distraction 

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 07:18 | 4982684 The Wedge
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It's a fools errand to try to convince the "controlled" demolition crowd out of there beliefs. Most reasonable people who question the events of 9/11 don't subscribe to this...I can't even call it a theory since it has been thoroughly debunked. I still suspect some sort of coverup. Prior knowledge? Involvement with the hijackers? Clandestine operators posing as their handlers? Lots of plausible theories ranging from incompetence to criminal involvement but controlled demolition is not one of them. And we certainly know they have taken advantage of the situation with the patriot act.

But it really pisses me off because it further obscures the truth and probably by design. It's the perfect way to hide real knowledge: mix in a bunch highly implausible non-sense and no one will tug on the right string. This is a well known tactic. It's how they hid a lot of weapon systems during the cold war. The sad part is many will play their role in propagating this completely oblivious.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:43 | 4983093 tony wilson
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Steel girders do not have to melt.

what if der original jewish developerorors mixed plastic wasted and styrofome in wid der steel in der 1970s

day get der bulk steel den cut it toos make its go furder like crack cocanes and afghanistan cia heroins.

what if der gurders had plastic in dem day when heated wid der fires day wood melts.

 

i find it har5d to beliefs the jews would do this as day are friends and dere friends runs ares governments.

i say it der man in der caves wid the underground james bonds bad guy lairs.

maybe tim osman wanted afghanistan to supply 95 percent of der heroin you see it worked day do now

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:11 | 4983919 Seer
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"Steel girders do not have to melt. They only have to soften under high heat, then bend, over stress rivets or joints. Then cascading failure takes over."

True.  However, WTC numbers 1, 2 & 7 didn't exhibit that profile.  Didn't NIST bail on this "pancake" theory?

Bending steel would SLOW down the collapse/fall.  Seems that things went VERY fast.

I don't know whether I can trust any of the photos of the debris, whether pictures were of before crews cut up beams or not.  If the pictures were of  Before then this would NOT comport with what one would expect from your bending/collapse scenario.

Also, there's the mystery of the explosions in the lower parts of buildings 1 & 2.  And, WTC7- WTF?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:29 | 4982235 Kina
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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 23:46 | 4982260 Sages wife
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I like how Russia outed many of the torturers.  Search images of them.  Especially Janis Karpinsky.  Makes it real.  They are no different from the Nazi's.  Pure evil.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:14 | 4983933 Seer
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POWER is evil.  No group of POWER wants people to understand this point: it's only always the "other" POWER groups.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:08 | 4982294 MasterControl
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9/11 was a progressive job

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:03 | 4982945 redd_green
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Progresso, like the soup?  Yeah, agreed.    I like chicken noodle myselff.   Too much salt, though.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:24 | 4982321 merchantratereview
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The documents could be fake. All we know for sure is this congressman is a coward.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:25 | 4982323 franzpick
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I have a 9-1-83 VHS videotape of John Chancellor live on network tv explaining immediately after the KAL007 news, that the u.s. often spies on Russia by 'hiding' a recon plane alongside a scheduled civilian passenger flight in the radar track of the commercial plane which is flown off course for strategic purposes.

The Chancellor segment was never repeated, was immediately 'disappeared' from the replays and then from the tapes and archives, and I knew as I captured his pre-censored blunder that the video was a historic revelation of the truth of u.s. collusion, spying, lying and cover up.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:32 | 4982342 merchantratereview
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Bullshit. Post it on youtube or vimeo.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:18 | 4983965 Seer
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Have it included at the MemoryHole.  Otherwise... unfounded claim.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:31 | 4982339 the grateful un...
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just read to us what you read. mr smith

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:15 | 4982463 bunnyswanson
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He cannot read them to us if he does not have them.  He was escorted into a sound proof room and was not allowed to take notes, he stated. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:59 | 4982379 firestarter_916
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I lost respect of GWB who allowed an open souther US border while trying to "stop t3rr0rism" and "fight on their soil, not ours," but again, left the souther border open to anyone...talking out both sides of his mouth. Disgusting. So it if was SO FREAKING important to stop our "enemies" then why was the border of the US allowed to remain unsecurred during his 8 years in office?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:24 | 4983000 Comte d'herblay
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A cynic would say it was:

1) the Ag-Farm Lobby, for the continuation of cheap Mexican braceros,

2) appease the Immigration hawk lobbyists who want no stifling of their trafficking in cheap labor some of which wends its way into the houses of elected officials, at the federal, state, and local levels, so that

3) women can pretend they are raising children while working, having affairs, and avoiding baking cookies, cleaning the diapers and the kitchen, and other domestic chores,

4) fomenting the anti-immigration lobby discord, to perpetuate the problem (a problem solved is anathema to growing government 'jobs'

5) the 'right' firms not getting the lucrative contracts to make billions on the sturdy fences and other surveillance, monitoring and other equipment to include satellites......I could go on but essentially, governance as usual wherein the political party that has the right solution gets full credit for the solution,  e.g. it's no good for democrats'  with power mad obession to get an "Attaboy" for solving the problem of immigration with republican support, as opposed to the democrats getting full credit for the solution as a majority, and vice versa.   

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:30 | 4984043 Seer
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"talking out both sides of his mouth"

No, I can't believe it, a pol lying?

Humans have migrated since the beginning of time.  They'll continued to do so until the end of time.  God didn't create "borders."  The "American Way of Life" is NOT sustainable.  WTF do you think that the outcome is going to be?

If you want a "solution" then I'd suggest that the governors get together and create a heavily controlled migration path, through their states, that terminate in D.C..  I'd think that D.C. would then have to act: of course, States would lose some of their powers because it would have to be a federally controlled program as each State would be looking to pull more pork from the barrel (refer to all the police departments getting all the swat and military armaments).

BTW - The "enemies" are from WITHIN.  And I'll bet you that their skin color is less brown than you might xenophobically imagine.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:11 | 4982396 Karaio
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II (second) Jihad in the U.S. (second civil war). 

Unfortunately many people will die (hopefully most are banksters). 

That movie Mad Max is closer to what will happen. 

It will be a great fuck. 

Fucked! 

:-/

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:36 | 4984067 Seer
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Hoping that people will die?  Are ALL bankers going to be offered up for the sacrifice*, even if they're George Bailey?

* It doesn't change the equation of there being insufficient resources to continue our paradigm of perpetual growth.  It does, however, reduce population size, which would tend to make it appear that there's more resources (until we have to find another excuse for herd culling).

Mad Max scenarios will likely occur here and there and at different times for different places.  It'll always be about surviving periods of elevated threats to one's life...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:27 | 4982419 Aremo
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Yeah sure you're surpised...  Just like Janet Reno was shocked SHOCKED! That the ATF used flash bang grendades she ordered them to use and just like everyone in Congress pretends to be shocked about the last 800+ conspiracies that turn out to be true. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:16 | 4982464 fishwharf
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This smells like a modified limited hangout.  The Saudis have been going their own way lately and have wandered off the USSA reservation.  They must be punished with a regime change at the very least.  Meanwhile, the NEOCON perps will continue their life of intrigue and luxury into the foreseeable future.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:39 | 4984079 Seer
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Yeah, the blackmail pressures against the  House of Saud are mounting.  People will believe that HoS was responsible for 9/11.  Continue to give us your oil for worthless paper or you die! (not seeing China or Russia being able to come to their rescue)

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:21 | 4982468 Old Poor Richard
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(Classified) Bill Defends Against Flesh-Eating (Classified)

Terrorists, aliens and zombies, oh my!

 

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