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Over 50 Killed In Gaza As Israel Shelling Is "Fiercest Since 1967 War"

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While the world's attention is focused on the tragic events in Ukraine, the fighting in Gaza has entered its 13th, and most deadly day, with at least 50 Palestinians killed on Sunday by Israeli shelling in a Gaza neighborhood, where "bodies were strewn in the street and thousands fled for shelter to a hospital packed with wounded, witnesses and health officials said." Reuters reports that the mass casualties in Shejaia, in northeast Gaza, were the heaviest since Israel launched its offensive, since expanded to a land offensive including tanks and troops. This has brought the total dead count on the Gaza side to over 400.

A few hours later, Israel agreed to a two-hour humanitarian truce in Shejaiya. The ceasefire was supposed to last from 13:30 to 15:30 local time an Israeli military spokesman said. But a BBC team on the ground reported an exchange of fire less than an hour after the truce began.

According to elderly locals, today's Israeli shelling was the fiercest they had seen since the 1967 Middle East war, when Israel captured Gaza. Shifa hospital's director, Naser Tattar, said 17 children, 14 women and four elderly were among the 50 dead, and about 400 people were wounded in the Israeli assault.

Gaza's Health Ministry officials said at least 385 Palestinians, many of them civilians, have been killed in the 13-day conflict and about 2,600 have been wounded.


On Israel's side, two civilians have been killed by cross-border fire and five soldiers have died in fighting. More than 50 Israeli troops have been wounded, hospital officials said.


Thousands fled Shejaia, some by foot and others piling into the backs of trucks and sitting on the hoods of cars filled with families trying to get away. Several people rode out of the neighborhood of 100,000 in the shovel of a bulldozer.


Video given to Reuters by a local showed at least a dozen corpses, including three children, lying in rubble-filled streets, though the footage could not be verified independently.

An AFP reporter comments on the ground:

Meanwhile the IDF is denying all responsibility for the mass killings of civilians, instead saying it had warned the locals to evacuate in advance:

Furthermore, the IDF released the following schematic to explain the layout of local militants and rockets within Shejaiya.

In other developments surrounding Gaza, the BBC reports that:

  • Hamas claims it carried out a major attack on Israeli forces in Gaza, causing multiple casualties. There is no comment from the Israeli military on this
  • There has been almost constant shelling by Israel in the past few hours, with tanks and troops reported on the move
  • Hamas is continuing to fire rockets into Israel, with one landing in the city of Ashkelon
  • UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon is due to arrive in Qatar later to meet Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas

Perhaps most disturbing, and something which has gotten zero coverage compared to the ongoing chaos in Donetsk, is that Israel's Government Press Office on Saturday warned foreign journalists it was not responsible for their safety in the Gaza Strip, where the Jewish state has launched an offensive against Palestinian militants.

"Gaza and its vicinity are a battleground. Covering the hostilities exposes journalists to life-threatening danger," an e-mailed Government Press Office (GPO) statement said. "Israel is not in any way responsible for injury or damage that may occur as a result of field reporting."


The GPO, which accredits journalists based in Israel, many of whom also cover events in the Palestinian Territories, charged Islamist group Hamas was using journalists as human shields and advised reporters to take "every possible precaution."

In other words, if there are no foreign journalists covering the atrocities in Gaza, that would be ideal. In the meantime, it is best to distract the public's attention with some speculation that the Separatist rebels in Ukraine are doing the same, and try to provoke fury there, but not here.

Below are some photos documenting the sheer destruction in Shejaiya:


The district of Shejaiya came under heavy Israeli bombardment overnight, Palestinians say


The Israeli military says the ground offensive has been expanded to destroy a Hamas tunnel network


An air strike early on Sunday morning killed four people, including two children, according to medics


Israelis who support the offensive faced off with those against it in Tel Aviv on Saturday evening

Finally, the reason why it is all about to get much worse, is that in an interview with Cannel 2 TV, the Israeli Minister of Intelligence and Strategic Affairs Yuval Steinitz said the military may take control of Hamas-controlled territory for several months to “dismantle the terror army.” Needless to say such an act would provoke a firestorm, literally, of desperation from Hamas which would almost certainly lead to the deaths of thousands of innocent bystanders in the latest sharp escalation of a conflict that goes back countless years.


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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 09:28 | 4979367 BaBaBouy
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With The UKR Jet Disaster Dominating All News, IZR Has Free Pass, Can Do What It Wants...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 09:31 | 4979389 john39
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 09:47 | 4979440 svayambhu108
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27 July Ramadan ends, so better hurry up

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:47 | 4979595 strannick
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No Isrealis killed as of yet, but the IDFs blanket bombing of civilians/children is still justified according to Obama, as long as they are "cautious".

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:10 | 4979688 Calmyourself
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Wrong..  But reads well for the anti-israel lobby

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:20 | 4979725 Moe Howard
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The count is one actual civilian, from reports it is a Bedouin living in Israel. The other "civilian" was a illegal "settler" supplying the IDF at the scene of the crime.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:11 | 4980134 Hugh G Rection
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In the mind of the psychopathic talmudic Zionist, 400-2 is still unacceptable.  I'm sure the timing and coverage of the downed airliner is just a coincidence...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:54 | 4980302 BellyBrain
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In the mind of the psychopathic Talmudic Zionist, nothing matters except for their own desires.  Every. Single. Other. Non-Jew. On. Earth is supposed to serve them (according to their twisted belief).

Here is what the "Jewish State" really means:

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:16 | 4980394 Hugh G Rection
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Yup.  We Goyim are just animals to those supremacist assholes.

Another good one from Snord:

Quotable Quotes From The Chosen Ones

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:31 | 4980494 BellyBrain
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It looks like this time they are really going for the final push to destroy all traces of Palestine and her people:

Just remember folks, once they have destroyed Palestine, they will begin eyeing their neighbors and "defending" "their" land that they have the "right to return" to because "god" (supposedly) gave it to them 2,000+ years ago.  Hard to argue with something that was written down in a book a really long time ago, eh? 

"Greater Israel" means a HUGE chunk of the middle east:

I think they will target Syria and Jordan once they are done with their genocide against Palestine.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 01:42 | 4982430 RichardP
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Um ... No.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:47 | 4979849 hot sauce technician
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The propaganda runs strong with you I see... This is already from last week. There are more, not including combatants (13+2+1), from the past few days, but what does that matter? According to the Gilad SHalit Equation there isn't even yet one Gazan casualty. For this to be considered just a "tie" you'd need at least 17 thousand dead in Gaza. Human shields and all that...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:02 | 4979914 RevRex
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Lob a few hundred more missles, Muslim scum! Thank God for Israel!! Killing the Muslim scum that the Obowelmovement is arming....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:18 | 4980153 Surging Chaos
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Welcome to ZH. Unlike TownHall/Breitbart/TheBlaze, Zio-cons are not welcome here.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:09 | 4981280 Rakshas
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.......and who, pray tell, does the "muslim scum" that the "muslim scum" is "arming" take orders from ..... exactly???


...... we have met the enemy and they are us.......... words that will truly come home when Pentagon regulars engage Al-CIA-DUH/Mossad Mercs in the coming weeks.....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:44 | 4979611 NoPension
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Elections have consequences.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:48 | 4979624 JimBowie1958
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I hope the IDF kills every adult male mmber of Hamas that is within the borders of Gaza.

I hope every single one of these cretinous barbaric  Ham-ass holes dies in a fucking fire, fuly conscious to the bitter last breath.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:59 | 4979661 tony wilson
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pity poor rape victim jimbowie1958

jim was the towns mental spastic village idiot.

one day he was anal raped by a mexican since that day forward whenever he sees an arab he remembers that mexican ass rapin.

poor jim

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:13 | 4979701 Calmyourself
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That's a fantastic argument can I borrow it for use against the village idiot?  How about you give us your address and the raping mexican can lob grenades through your window whenever he get a hankering..  You of course will not mind as Jim Bowie took his land from him circa: 1850's...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:22 | 4979734 Handful of Dust
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My guess is we'll see a fair number of these Palestinians manning the gas stations in New Jersey soon as political refugees. I remember watching hundreds of them dancing in the streets after 911 in NJ.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:30 | 4979771 john39
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those were israeli mossad members, "documenting the event":

as for the footage that CNN showed of palestinians celebrating, it turned out later that the footage was faked:

what a shock.  in this world of lies, trust nothing that the owners would like you to believe.


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:19 | 4980410 Duffy Duck
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" I remember watching hundreds of them dancing in the streets after 911 in NJ."

No, you don't.   But do you remember a van full of Israeli Jews being pulled over and refusing to answer questions, failing lie detectors, and bizarrely complaining about "Palestinians"

Ever spend an evening googling "Israel 9/11"?  Or you can just start at Chris Bollyn's site, or wikispooks, or zioncrimefactory...

But my how ZH has come up in the world to actually attract a few legitimate hasbara trolls.

You do need to up your game a bit here, though. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:37 | 4980496 Hugh G Rection
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Zioncrimefactory is not the same site since ADL provocateur Mike Delaney stole if from ZCF and turned into a white supremacist page.

Missing Links was the beginning of my awakening, but Delaney had little to nothing to do with making it, apart from claiming he produced it.

Bollyn is solid and his books are free to read online and wikispooks is a great intro to the subject.

the real ZCF:

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:41 | 4980514 john39
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take a careful look at Bollyn, he may be playing for the other side.  he viciously attacks the theory that 911 was a nuclear event.  Anyone with a little tech and physics know how who carefully looks at the nuclear evidence, usually comes away agreeing that nukes were used.   This is one of those red lines that tptb defend dearly, and use deeply planted disinfo agents to defend.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:54 | 4979884 hot sauce technician
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Let me know when you get his address (I'm assuming it's a "he"), as I possibly know a few Bedouin who would lob anything through people windows.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:05 | 4979928 Jack Burton
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Tony is right! If you talk like the brain damaged murderous village idiot, perhaps you are the same. This is simple logic. Also, by UN standards of International Law, using media to promote genocide is a war crime. But many jews will come on here and post their desire for genocide. They will claim it was because the germans did it to them back in the distant past. Two wrongs make it right.

Hey Israeli Jews, Germans killed your people! Remember them. Maybe that si where your bonbers should be flying? Oh, no? Why?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:21 | 4979984 Laddie
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Did you hear about the research fellow at Harvard named Martin Kramer who called for the genocide of the Palestinians?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:47 | 4980065 Lumberjack
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He suffers from Ziomemetic Psychosis. it's worse than Hydrophobia on PCP.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:23 | 4979733 Moe Howard
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Do you recommend Gas chambers constructed to appear to be showers? Should they cremate the dead in mass "ovens" and spread the ashes on surrounding fields? Just wondering.


Perhaps the Israels can make soap and lampshades as the propaganda about the Germans claimed?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:40 | 4979823 disabledvet
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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:54 | 4979887 Davalicious
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"Perhaps the Israels can make soap and lampshades as the propaganda about the Germans claimed?"

Fuck off. Palestinian soap makes me itchy. Jew soap is the softest, has the most lather, and is naturally lightening for the skin. Unfortunately prices shot up after '45..

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:15 | 4980389 FeralSerf
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Manufacture of soap requires fat. Which ones are the Fat Cats?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:25 | 4979742 MrBoompi
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I'm sure if the UN gave our country away to foreigners you would just sit there and do nothing too.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:39 | 4979788 Ghordius
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I just imagine a Security Council meeting where all nuclear powers agree on giving your country... to whom, exactly?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:46 | 4979844 toady
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The joooooooooos!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:39 | 4980503 TBT or not TBT
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Usually this kind of dispute is decided by use of force.  If you have a problem with that, your affliction with said problem will not change anything about how reality continues to work around you.   

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:48 | 4979821 oudinot
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1958-Its  because of doofusses like you that civilizations fought wars  since their inception-some 12,000 years ago or so. 

Don't hate the 'other side', hate the warmakers.  The real war is with them, the ordinary people on opposing sides should ban together against these forces: the bankers, the monopolies, big interests, most of the politicans, almost all of the bureacrats (NSA/CIA/IRS) every country has them.

War is morally, ethically and economically destructive:  it mostly occurs for the benefit of a handful of families, big interests.  Stop the wars.

If a real war has to happen, when another country is really trying to take one's  home, tax base, turn your women into slaves, let's elect a leader who will lead us in war.  The last Western leader to lead his army into battle was George III in 1756.

I pray, I hope, I believe  America will get their Muad'dib, their renaissance soldier, a latter day George Washington , a visionsary to lead them out of the morass.  A younger Ron Paul without the  baggage and much, much  more agressive,charismatic  personality.

He'll, hell, she'll have to be one tough son of a bitch. 

When she/he comes be sure to support them with all your might.



Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:59 | 4979907 Davalicious
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Right. This video makes the point that we took the wrong message away from WW2. We should have realised that militrism was the problem, not intolerance of minorities. That screw up has been spun unto endless wars for "truth and justice" as well as open borders at home.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 09:47 | 4979441 Stackers
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John39, what would you do differently if your nieghbor kept lobbing rockets and mortars into your backyard ? Ask them real nice to pretty please stop doing that ? .... again

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 09:49 | 4979446 john39
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Well, if i stole my neighbors land, and forced him into a holding cell, i wouldn't whine when he tried to fight back.  then again, i would never do that to my neighbor. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:01 | 4979484 Boris D Blade
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Fuck you Stackers. Learn some history. One is the oppressed and the other is the oppressor. There will be no peace without justice

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:23 | 4979500 Arius
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@ John


If I may, pass the first step of who stole from whom (i cant solve it...and I do believe it is not as simple as it appears)

going into the second step (which is the present situation here are my two cents just for the sake of discussion of course:

1. You guys can never be good neighboors again

2. if I was your neighboor, I would move out instead of sitting in the holding cell for the rest of my life ... where?  anywhere ....

3. If he fights back, i think he would again lose, since in the first place he would have never lost his land if he was stronger ...


C'est la vie as we say in France ...

disclosure: i do like the french though :)

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:46 | 4979612 strannick
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If every oppressed person had your "roll over and run" response to tyranny, there would be no freedom, or America -wherever that is now-.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:54 | 4979642 FishHockers
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Not true, people left europe to come to a land where they wouldn't be supressed. Now the sand roosters want to chase us out of America. Now it's time to take a stand.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:05 | 4979663 strannick
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Your right. How about you go stand in a corner til you learn some manners, and decency, though I do agree with your critique of Shaia law, if there was one.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:27 | 4979750 Moe Howard
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Good use of portraying the Palestinians as sub-human. I seem to recall some non-Jews saying the same thing about Jews before the clamp down.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:47 | 4980534 TBT or not TBT
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Well, they live on welfare, powered by pathetic victim fantasies that much of the world encourages.  Their job is to suffer and suck.   They get paid for that.  

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:55 | 4979643 FishHockers
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Not true, people left europe to come to a land where they wouldn't be supressed. Now the sand roosters want to chase us out of America. Now it's time to take a stand.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:28 | 4979757 Moe Howard
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I don't think the mid-east is "America", you seem to be confused about nationality and geography. I suggest obtaining a map and learning how to use it.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:02 | 4979920 DaveyJones
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the palestinians want to chase us out of America? 


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:20 | 4979974 john39
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i am pretty sure that i saw story on foxnews about finding muslim prayer blankets on the SW border... and i thought, are preople really ignorant to believe that?  not sure on that.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:02 | 4980108 Abi Normal
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When the islamic sleeper cells awaken and bomb your ass to kingdom come here, you will be dust particles, you fucking idiot.  Foxnews is not the only outlet to report this, go talk to the ranchers, the people on the boarder, before you make such an ass out of yourself, dumbass!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:14 | 4980143 john39
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islamic sleeper cells = mossad/cia goons.   the charade is over.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:55 | 4979645 FishHockers
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Not true, people left europe to come to a land where they wouldn't be supressed. Now the sand roosters want to chase us out of America. Now it's time to take a stand.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:04 | 4979923 DaveyJones
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now say it one more time and click your heels

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:10 | 4979501 kito
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so if the native americans were able to lob rockets into your backyard, would you give them a free pass?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:21 | 4979535 Colonel Klink
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Nope, we'd give them blankets with smallpox on them.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:24 | 4979542 kito
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Exactly. The hypocrisy on here regarding "stolen land" is outstanding....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:29 | 4979559 Colonel Klink
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So then I guess one wrong make them all right.  Things may have turned out differently had the indians had nucular weppons, and the largest military in the world protecting them from the rest of the world body.

You apparently failed to pick up the gallows humor and sarcasm.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:57 | 4980092 kito
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no colonel, your gallows humor and sarcasm was rooted in plain truth. native americans the first victims of biological warfare. the victims of a massive land grab that left them ultimately crowded into shitty slivers of land........your comment was spot on.....but i i said, im sure you would sit back and allow the native americans to lob rockets into your neighborhood...after all, you are on stolen land...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:20 | 4980158 Colonel Klink
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Once again Kito your ignorance shines through.

Dissent to the biological weapon theory

There is current scholarly dissent to the theory that the outbreaks of smallpox may have been aided by the intentional spreading of disease. Allegations of smallpox-infested blankets being intentionally given to Native Americans in 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt were proved false.[11] The outbreaks that occurred specifically in this region may have resulted from sporadic cases already occurring amongst Indians rather than from this scenario.[10] Historians also say that though blankets containing smallpox may have been distributed to Native Americans by the Europeans, they may have been given with good will and intentions, instead of for the purpose of disseminating disease. Additionally, scholars such as Gregory Dowd, are of the opinion that disease was spread by Native Americans returning from battling infected Europeans. Therefore it may have been carried by Native Americans to their own people and spread.[12]

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:43 | 4980521 john39
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what's funny (well no really), is that tptb never stopped using biological warfare on the masses...  it goes on to this day.   the goal is not a quick death, but a degrading, grinding punishing blow to the health...  lyme is just one example, and there are many.   anyone silly enough to vaccinate their kids without doing full research on the topic.... well, good luck.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:49 | 4980074 Laddie
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Colonel you are an excellent poster however I do need to point out that the "blankets with smallpox" is a myth, sort of like the Holocaust

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:54 | 4980089 Colonel Klink
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I don't know if it's true or not.  I just thought it was a snappy reply to a dumb question.  The real answer is we'd give them a FREE PASS with small pox on it. ;)

Thanks for the compliment.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:59 | 4980101 Abi Normal
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You are a fucking myth, Laddie!  Get and education first, then a life!  You are a lying sack of SHIT>

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:23 | 4979540 john39
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we see this red herring raised all the time.   What the U.S. government did to Native Americans was also genocide.   But this by no means gives Israel a free pass to genocide another people...  what ever happened to "never again... never again"....

If the Native American genocide was on going today, i would like to believe that I would be fighting for them, not the U.S. government. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:30 | 4979566 kito
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haha.....oh john, perhaps you should visit some reservations where alcoholism joblessness and destitute living standards are pervasive...then tell me genocide isnt are a hypocrite. clean your own house first.. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:40 | 4979605 Colonel Klink
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Hey douchebag why not blame him for slavery too?  None of us here were responsible for events that far in the past.  However we're now talking about current events and the attrocities being commited.  How about you address those?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:01 | 4979910 Abi Normal
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Let's do Klunk...

Who is firing rockets into Israel right now?  Who trashed the peace accord, that Israel agreed to...the Palestinians, that is who. 

Just shake your bobble head up and down and shut the fuck up already!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:29 | 4980010 Colonel Klink
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You and your points have already been thoroughly discredited, as has your line of thinking.

I only appear bobble-head like because all I can do is shake my head at your personal attacks and poor logic.  And since my viewpoint doesn't match yours, I'm supposed to shut up.  Very intelligent of you.  I thought this was fight club.  You started the fight, I've just been finishing you off.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:57 | 4980093 Abi Normal
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You are worse than that!  Oh really, poor logic?  Discredited?  Wow, you truley are a legend in your own mind Klunk.  Take your puny IQ and stuff it where the sun don't shine, you puke.

Yup, I will personally attack anyone spreading the kinds of lies I see on this site every day.

You are too far gone for help, I puty you, you fool on a fools errand, and all the rest of the ZH GANG that has no leg to stand on. FUCK YOU PRICK.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:16 | 4980151 john39
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you sound desperate.

des·per·ate ?desp?rit/ adjective adjective: desperate feeling, showing, or involving a hopeless sense that a situation is so bad as to be impossible to deal with.
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:24 | 4980172 Colonel Klink
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But don't puty him!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:01 | 4980105 kito
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klink lets stick to the topic, stolen land. and if a group is still cordorned off, suffering, miserable, because their land was stolen, is this not a current event? is the suffering of native americans not a current event? or perhaps you choose to turn a blind eye because jooos arent involved???

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:31 | 4980192 Colonel Klink
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Quite the contrary, the suffering of many Indians continues to this very day.

Let's get it right out in the open.  Civilian israelies and arabs alike don't deserve to be killed in the name of religion.  Israelies slaughter the arabs with very capable weapons because they have them.  Arabs use crude devices and suicide bombings because they don't have capable weapons from which to strike from a stand off position.

I don't have the answer.  My primary objection is the financial rape of MY country by a very concentrated group of people who just so happen to be JEWISH.

My SOP is to stir the pot in order to bring to light that very issue.

As for the whole middle east conflict, world leaders, world bodies, and many decades haven't been able to resolve the issue.  My chiming in to ZH isn't going to solve it either.  I'm just tired of hearing the decades old "poor Jew" line, when they're anything but as evidenced by stolen wealth and usurpation of power of my nation.


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:12 | 4979696 ImpliedVol
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I am Native American. I do not wish for Americans to ignore what's happening in Israel/Gaza for the sake of only focusing on the continued struggles of Natives. That would be extremely selfish of me. Especially since we Natives are free to make something of ourselves. I see a lot of parallels between what happened to my ancestors and what has taken place in Israel for decades now. And it makes me sick.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:18 | 4979718 john39
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Its the same script, I agree. Kito obviously read right over what i was trying to say.  One wrong doesn not excuse another wrong.  why not try and bring justice to both?  And i don't mean by granting gambling licenses (more evil does not undo past evil).

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:02 | 4980109 kito
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so the question remains--now that we agree both land grabs were wrong-- would native americans be justified in lobbing rockets into your neighborhood?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:37 | 4980217 Colonel Klink
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The answer is NO.  However if it were to occur, the US government would use their overwhelming technological weaponry to put down such an event.  More than likely killing many innocent people in the process.  Question is, is it right.  The answer in both cases is a resounding NO!  I think we all would agree that governments aren't the answer.  People in general just want to go about their daily lives in peace.  Unfortunately that's not the world we live in, and wholesale slaughter of the innocents will continue from both sides.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:32 | 4979773 Moe Howard
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Thank you for your post. I am a supporter of the independence of the Native peoples of the United States and the honoring of ALL treaties with them.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:43 | 4979828 Colonel Klink
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Well said Moe, I feel the same way.  Having spent many years around Indian reservations, it's sad to see what our forefathers did to a strong, proud, and independent people.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:09 | 4979948 thestarl
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Karma will prevail Colonel

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:58 | 4979900 Abi Normal
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Cry me a river Native...if you all had more than sticks and stones, you could have defended what you had, but you were not able to figure it out, and you lost, get over it, that is ancient history.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:37 | 4980223 Colonel Klink
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What a cunt of a reply.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:28 | 4980456 actionjacksonbrownie
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What did you expect from "Abe"???

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:16 | 4979711 Calmyourself
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Genocide used so loosely, genocide is when the Merkavas are lined up track to track and driven into the sea, that John is genocide..  What we are seeing now is a conquered people who started the scuffle getting what they asked for; combat..

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:12 | 4979510 Stackers
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Spoken like someone has only read half the history book. Try reading the rest of history, that way you wont sound like a complete foul mouthed moron.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:26 | 4979553 john39
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do tell... what is the "rest of the history"...  the part where beezelbub told someone that the land was theirs and they should kill anyone living on it?  that part?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:50 | 4979633 NoPension
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Oppressed and oppressors. As it has been since the beginning of time. Get the fuck over it. Egypt oppressed. Rome oppressed. Greece oppressed. England ,Germany, Dutch, Americans, blah, blah ,blah.
Fight,assimilate or die. Fuck off.
They elected Hamas. Hamas won't negotiate. You die.

When the shit hits the fan here, anybody think it will be any different ?

Fight. Assimilate. Die. They are your choices. Choose wisely.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:34 | 4980211 bigrooster
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@NoPension "When the shit hits the fan here, anybody think it will be any different ?"

Yes we will know not to trust joos like you!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:04 | 4979925 hot sauce technician
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It's all a matter of perspective... Muslims have been in charge of Palestine for 1100 out of the past 1300 years. Jews lived as dhimmi. Who's to "learn history"?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:10 | 4979495 Arius
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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:09 | 4979499 Stackers
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Stole their land ? Whose land ? This made people called "Palestinians" ? Gaza was part of Eygpt pre 1967 war. The people in Gaza never had any claim to land to the north. That was part of the British Protectorate of Palestine. Which was nothing but a construct of post WW-I mid-east war spoils. So exactly who did they steal what from ? European jews have been immigrating back to Palestine since the Roman Empire when they first started immigrating from Palestine to Europe in the first place. The land of "palestine" does exist today. It's called the Kingdom of Jordan. Gaza I guess would be part of Eygpt ? Why does Eygpt have a wall just as big as Israel's along it's border with Gaza ? Why does Eygpt routinely destory Hamas tunnel systems too ?


You seem pretty clueless to the 2,000 year long mess that is "The holy land"

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:41 | 4979822 MrBoompi
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Yes, stole their land. And if you still hold to your beliefs, I wonder what you would think about what happened to the American Indians? I suppose us Americans and Jews are the enlightened ones who hold dominion over all mankind. Might over right. That is the only law of the land.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:56 | 4979890 Abi Normal
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Hey Bitch, to the victor go the spoils, get over it, and yourself, you selfrightous idiot. It is a fact of life going back to the beginning.  people like you make me want to PUKE!  Go suck on Putin's balls boy!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:25 | 4980441 Stackers
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Hate to break it to you but this is not soime US, European, or Jew thing. You show me a country and I will show you the war/revolt/revolution that created it and the expansionary wars it under took later to grab more land. The "nations" of the mid-east are nothing but a figment of the imagination of two european bureaucrats thats sat down and drew out the lines on map to create the countries we have today. When they did that they set aside land for a jewish state for the jews that were already there. Israel has done nothing since that EVERY other country on the planet hasn't also done. The Palestinian People are nothing but a propageanda construct.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:34 | 4980481 actionjacksonbrownie
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"The Palestinian People are nothing but a propageanda construct"


That's funny...


I have a dictionary from the mid 1800's - it clearly defines Palestine, while Israhell (israel for you joo luvers) isn't even listed, let alone defined.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:01 | 4979485 Shad_ow
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“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.”   Golda Meir ^^^^^this
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:08 | 4979497 john39
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"At Goldstein's funeral, Rabbi Yaacov Perrin claimed that even one million Arabs are "not worth a Jewish fingernail".[25][26][27] Samuel Hacohen, a teacher at a Jerusalem college, declared Goldstein the "greatest Jew alive, not in one way but in every way" and said that he was "the only one who could do it, the only one who was 100 percent perfect."

so which viewpoint was PR?  which is the real dominant view in Israel today, expressed through the actions of the government, as opposed to propaganda fluff?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:02 | 4979637 strannick
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Goldas IDF will only have peace when it loves its own children more than it hates the bombed into the Stone Age Palestinians. Judging by what the IDF does to children on beaches, it looks like that at the moment, they can accept what they do to Palestinian children.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:44 | 4979835 disabledvet
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I can't wait for the US Marines to arrive.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:46 | 4980272 hot sauce technician
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There was an article on here a few weeks ago about a hacker who founded Tro LLC and who's billing the federal government 29,000 BTC for his time spent under their imprisonment. He wrote that he admires Timothy McVeigh. Does he represent every libertarian? NO. You take a quote out of context from a Rabbi and attribute it to all Jews. You're a punk. There is no "dominant view". Reality's a lot more complex than your dumbed down version of it. If anything it's something along the lines of "don't shoot at us and we won't shoot at you". I'm sure you can comprehend that, yes?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:14 | 4979519 demoses
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Stackers you DO NOT attack civilians! The actions of the Israeli armed forces are a WAR CRIME. Israel is not shelling military objects but residential areas. If there are militants in there they should sent commando squads to clear them. Where else can you see such a inapropriate response? To parafrase your comparison it is like the neighbour kids would be throwing rocks at your window and you would take guns and granadaes and start returning "fire". Response is not in the same league. The only thing that Israel will reach is to alienate itself even further and breed a whole new generation of non Israeli loving Palestinians.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:53 | 4979636 Boris D Blade
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These are young men with no hope for the future. Young men ("Shabab") with no chance of leaving Gaza. No chance of pursuing in life what we take for granted. They pick up guns and fight, much like the many ppl here on ZH talk about using arms to defend their freedom, or their property rights. Its unbeleivable you can call them "militants" or "terrorists". Israel and the complicit neighbouring arab countries (ask yourself who pays for this) deny the Palestinians any access to anything larger than a machine gun, and then whinge like  little bitchez when they throw whatever they can get their hands over into Israel. Well, perhaps if they had the same toys as the Israelis they wouldn't waste their time firing home made/useless rockets randomly towards Israel. You want a fight? Well lets even it up a bit. Your government is BANKRUPT, yet is still able to provide military aid to Israel and to pay Egypt/Jordan to sit there on their hands and take it. Shame on you and shame on them.

These people have had enough. The thousands of men killed over the last 60 years all have brothers and sons, nephews and cousins, so what the fuck do you expect them to do? Meanwhile do you routinely hear of the Israeli arabs causing problems within Israel? No? Why? Becasue in comparison they live in relative freedom.


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:35 | 4979793 Moe Howard
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Thank you for your well reasoned post.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:49 | 4980286 hot sauce technician
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Your misrepresentation of reality is completely gross.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:33 | 4979782 MrBoompi
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Those rockets may cause terror and distress, but they aren't much more effective than a 4th of July fireworks display. In the end, the Palestinians are relatively defenseless. Sitting ducks. Does anyone believe the Israeli military action will solve anything? Killing hundreds or thousands out of a population of 1.7 million will leave a lot of hatred and potential enemies. This is probably the goal, to make the Palestinians less apt to seek a peaceful resolution so they can be exterminated.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:36 | 4979796 Moe Howard
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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:53 | 4979881 Abi Normal
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ROFLMAO, those Gaza rockets to kill anyone?  Are you fucking serious?  You are just another unthinking moron. The Gaza thugs hide behind their own people firing these rockets, and when their people die, you wonder why?  God, there is so much ignorance and stupidity to go around here on this site - flaming eggheads.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:57 | 4980094 Colonel Klink
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From Israel's own account, only 1 person has been killed from the hundreds of recent rockets fired.

Feel free to google it.  You may actually learn a thing or two.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:06 | 4980115 Abi Normal
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Oh, only one person died eh, how much is too many moron!  You need to learn much, but alas, as I said before, you are a lost soul, pity.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:38 | 4980227 Colonel Klink
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1 innocent doesn't justify hundreds of innocents.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:37 | 4980946 Moustache Rides
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You are a fucking dipshit .. STFU already

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 09:44 | 4979424 Abi Normal
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Awww, isn't that so sad, they get a free pass.  Maybe the fucking thugs in Gaza should not be firing rockets into Israel.  Maybe they would keep their heads, if they just left Israel alone, ever thought of that one?

Fuck you palestine liberationists, Israel is there now and  will be for a long time, so go suck on eggs, twist in the wind, ain't life a bitch...roflmao.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 09:51 | 4979452 john39
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why not hear what an honest Israeli has to say about the situation?:

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 09:52 | 4979457 john39
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or another: "The IDF launched a vast ground operation in Gaza last night. Until now, Israel has failed to articulate its military objectives. No one in Israel is willing to commit to a definition of what a victory would look like. I am afraid that the military objective is obvious: saving Netanyahu’s political career."

the rest:

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:07 | 4979682 disabledvet
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I see only political objectives as well. Already the mission is expanding. Hamas will never agree to a cease fire...and that says to me "this is Israel's pile of rubble now."

One successful strike against Israel proper and you see an extermination pogrom unlike anything Hitler could have dreamt up.

The IDF looks confused and haphazard...Iron Dome was working great! "Now they need boots on the ground"?

This is playing right into Hamas' hands...turning the entirely of Gaza into "martyr City."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:20 | 4979728 john39
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mad dogs, foaming at the mouth with bloodlust, can be expected to act as mad dogs, foaming at the mouth with bloodlust.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:54 | 4979880 disabledvet
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Meta-Yahoo is a nut. You have to BYPASS the Cities to "liberate" them.

Meanwhile back at the White House...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:25 | 4979743 Beatscape
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That's political posturing and is bullshit. The objective of the incursion is simple and has been stated over and over: stop Hamas from firing missiles indiscriminately into civilian areas of Israel.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:40 | 4979816 Moe Howard
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Which requires, it seems, murdering babies, children playing soccer on the beach, and dropping hundreds of tons of munitions on civilian occupied areas. You are morally sick it seems.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:57 | 4979896 disabledvet
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They have "Iron Dome." That's a strategic advantage beyond belief. "Now avoid the City and take Sinai."

The Generals involved in this Gaza catastrophe are throwing away everything...unless they are simply going to wipe Gaza itself off the map.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 09:55 | 4979468 Abi Normal
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Oh please, give it a rest johnny boy, you don't have a clue, nor does that "honest Israeli".  They have a state and a right to defend it, all the rest is BULL SHIT.

So, by definition, there is a lot of BS right here in ZH, but this is fight club...wanna fight?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 09:59 | 4979474 john39
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Ok, so you know more than the son of a top Israeli general at the time isreal was "created"...   ok, right.    so where exactly is the fight?  i all see from you is cheap hasbara...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:12 | 4979506 negative rates
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The fight is coming out their assholes, it's a bloody one too punch that spawns hypocrisy.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:23 | 4980167 Abi Normal
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Yep, I sure do moron, how do you like me now, dumb ass! Fuck you and your disinformation scam! Same goes for the rest of you ZH pukes!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:25 | 4979493 Colonel Klink
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Here's an honest Israeli right here:

We not only seem to give them a free pass but protection, military arms, monetary aid, all our intelligence, personal information, and a whole host of other stuff they're not entitled to, for spying on and financially raping the nation.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:12 | 4979695 disabledvet
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Germany had a right to defend itself too...BUT FAILED.

All this takes is one shot...and the next thing you know "no more Israel."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:47 | 4979846 Colonel Klink
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You have to admit, they put up one hellva fight!  They weren't lead by exactly the brightest leader during that second one. ;)

I did upvote you.  They did try to defend themselves but lost in the long run.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:02 | 4979917 disabledvet
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We cannot predict outcomes...Germany was always running on "time lines"..but time is an does not in fact exist in reality.

War..."is forever." There will be no cease fire...and wars of annihilation can quickly make "you and me" the annihilated.

Germany still exists today btw. "With a Capital at Berlin" as well.
Explain to me what Israel's "defense of the Reich" plan is here.


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:32 | 4980019 Colonel Klink
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Can you please clarify your question and terminology.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:04 | 4979924 john39
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WWII was a set up from the get go.  Germany has been in the crosshairs since the days of the Roman Legions...   (as many free cultures were).   just need to step back far enough so that you can see the big picture.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:06 | 4979931 Abi Normal
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The Third Riech defending itself?  Oh my God, now I have heard it all, that is so stupid that I can barely contain myself.  FUCK YOU vet, you clueless moron!

You'd be speaking German, be in a consentration camp or dead if Hitler had his way you stupid FUCK.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:34 | 4980023 Colonel Klink
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Yeah, don't let DV break your consentration (sic).  I think you fail to realize DV is on your side of the argument Abi.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:37 | 4980038 john39
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funny that in all the holocost indoctrination training Americans (and Israelis) are enforced to endure, they leave out a lot of pertinant history, including the international declaration of economic war against Germany by Jews world wide:

"Few people know the facts about the singular event that helped spark what ultimately became known as World War II - the international Jewish declaration of war on Germany shortly after Adolf Hitler came to power and well before any official German government sanctions or reprisals against Jews were carried out. The March 24, 1933 issue of The Daily Express of London (shown above) described how Jewish leaders, in combination with powerful international Jewish financial interests, had launched a boycott of Germany for the express purpose of crippling her already precarious economy in the hope of bringing down the new Hitler regime."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:10 | 4980131 Abi Normal
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See you idiot, there was no Jewish state during WWII, so how could they declare war on Hitler, you fucking moron. Hitler declared war on the world, and he exterminated many peoples, not just the Jews.

God, why are there so many liars and idiots roaming the world today? I pray for your stupid salvation, even though you are a lying fuck!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:41 | 4980239 Colonel Klink
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He didn't say jewish state, he said jews from around the world.

Reading comprehension fail!  Too blinded by your own anger to read correctly.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:46 | 4980976 Moustache Rides
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He can't read.. it's way too hard to sound out the words.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:05 | 4980350 moneybots
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"Few people know the facts about the singular event that helped spark what ultimately became known as World War II - the international Jewish declaration of war on Germany shortly after Adolf Hitler came to power..."


Just watch film of Hitler speaking at one of his rallies.  He was the singular event that sparked what became known as WW2.


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:00 | 4979482 loonyleft
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keep their heads but lose their land. Is that what you would do? Just walk away?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:20 | 4979534 Abi Normal
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They could assimilate, but they wont, they would rather kill others and die for their 72 angry virginians...

There are two sides to every story, but most of you here have fallen for the trap, you will find out just how wrong all of you are soon enough, ignorance is your bliss I guess.


Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:38 | 4979600 loonyleft
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Assimilate? Is that what you are going to do? Go down to your local mosque? Best to buy yourself a new burka. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:42 | 4979606 Colonel Klink
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Hard to assimilate when everyone are consider cattle.  Ranchers usually don't want to live with their livestock but keep them in a corral (gaza).

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:59 | 4979656 Abi Normal
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Ya, right...more cluelessness from ZH. You have any idea how many Arabs live in Israel today and have assimilated, worship their own religion and prosper?  You fucking clueless morons make me laugh.

You know what, I think you fuckers are the true RACISTS here...oh, don't you hate that charge..heh, I used and old tried and true liberal trick on ya, didn't stick that in your pipe and SMOKE it, cocksmokers....ROFLMAO.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:24 | 4979720 Colonel Klink
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Technically they're all the same people, arab and israeli alike.  Check their DNA and they'll be virtually identical.  I have no idea specifically what the "arab" to "jew" ratio is in Israel, however I am aware that there is a very large jewish community living in Iran.  Who knew they could peacefully coexist?  You know those evil people to deserve to be attacked next. <----sarcasm in case you didn't get it.  Could you now please explain to me that through history the jews have been kicked out of 109 nations?  While you at it, can you please explain WHY this keep happening?

As I have clearly stated at ZH before, I never really gave jews much thought until 2008 after I started doing more research about the Federal Reserve, member banks, who runs Wall street, who controls Washington (See my prior posts about Ariel Sharone's quote, that nice Catholic kid), who controls the media, entertainment, a large portion of the MIC, which comprises the 5 things you need in order to control a nation without actual war.  One finally comes to realize it's not all by accident.  So I can assure you I'm far from rayciss, but more like a freedom fighter trying to regain my freedom from my controllers.  While I can't really fight it with a gun, I can fight it with ridicule, lampooning, and bringing the issue up for those to do their own research.  Once having done so, they'll more than likely come to their own conclusion.

Used an old tried and true liberal trick huh, well you're just too smert for me there Abi.  Only thing I stick in my pipe isn't tom foolery, and as for cocksmokers you may want to take a drive to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in Washington, District of Criminals.

Once again, thanks for playing!

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