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Recovery Of Malaysian Airlines Black Box Caught On Tape: Separatists To Hand Over To International Delegation

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With the rabbit hole of conspiracies getting deeper by the hour, video has emerged showing what appears to be the "black box" flight data recorder from Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 being taken from the crash scene. As NBC reports, the men in the video are wearing Ukrainian Emergency Ministry uniforms, but a senior Ukrainian official told a news conference Sunday that rebels had taken the black boxes. This fits with reports from The Hill that pro-Russian separatists have located the black boxes for the downed Malaysia Airlines passenger jet and will hand them over to international authorities, according to separatist leader Alexander Borodai. With the US having offered more "proof" that Russia was involved, perhaps some facts from the Black Box will help clarify details in this dreadful situation... though we are not confident.

As NBC reports - recorded on Friday, the footage shows rescue workers carrying the distinctive bright orange device through a wheat field in eastern Ukraine's Donetsk region. The voice of a man who is not shown in the video can be heard saying "flight recorder" in Russian.

 

 

As Star Tribune reports,

Rebels have recovered the black boxes from downed Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 and will hand them over to the International Civil Aviation Organization, a rebel leader said Sunday.

 

Alexander Borodai also said the bodies recovered from the crash site in eastern Ukraine would remain in refrigerated train cars at a station in the rebel-held town of Torez, 15 kilometers (9 miles) away, until the arrival of an international aviation delegation.

Controversy still swirls over the treatment of the bodies...

The news from The Associated Press came amid reports that armed rebels had forced Ukrainian emergency workers to hand over 196 bodies from the site and loaded them onto refrigerated train cars.

 

"Where they took the bodies — we don't know," Ukrainian Emergency Ministry spokeswoman Nataliya Bystro told The AP. Russian news outlets said the trains were bound for rebel-controlled city of Donetsk.

 

Associated Press journalists saw reeking bodies baking in the summer heat Saturday, piled into body bags by the side of the road or still sprawled where they landed in the verdant farmland in eastern Ukraine after their plane was shot out of the sky. By Sunday morning, AP journalists saw no bodies and no armed rebels at the crash site. Emergency workers were searching the sprawling fields only for body parts.

 

"We're looking at the field where the engines have come down. This was the area which was exposed to the most intense heat. We do not see any bodies here. It appears that some have been vaporized," he told reporters in Kiev on Sunday, speaking via phone from the crash site.

The crash site remains a disaster but the bodies are gone...

 

The US is pushing the "Russia is responsible" meme harder this weekend...

The U.S. embassy in Kiev issued a strong statement Sunday pointing to Russian complicity in arming the rebels, saying it has concluded "that Flight MH17 was likely downed by a SA-11 surface-to-air missile from separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine."

 

It said over the weekend of July 12-13, "Russia sent a convoy of military equipment with up to 150 vehicles, including tanks armored personnel carriers artillery, and multiple rockets launchers" to the separatists. The statement also said Russia was training separatist fighters in southwest Russia, including on air defense systems.

And the rest of The West...

In a blistering article for the Sunday Times, British Prime Minister David Cameron called the attack a "direct result of Russia destabilizing a sovereign state, violating its territorial integrity, backing thuggish militias and training and arming them."

 

"We must turn this moment of outrage into a moment of action," he wrote.

 

In a coded rebuke of German Chancellor Angela Merkel and other European leaders who have blocked efforts to impose tougher sanctions on Russian President Vladimir Putin for Russia's actions in Ukraine, Cameron said Europe must now "respond robustly."

 

"For too long, there has been a reluctance on the part of too many European countries to face up to the implications of what is happening in eastern Ukraine," Cameron wrote.

 

Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans, speaking in Kiev, demanded that the culprits be found.

 

"Once we have the proof, we will not stop until the people are brought to justice," he said.

 

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Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:25 | 4979546 1stepcloser
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Yep I can hear the pilot now... "you see that missle coming up at us from the Russian Separtists...evasive action.."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:30 | 4979558 Tao 4 the Show
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First time I have ever heard of this being on tape. Someone's "proof" that this is real.
The greatest war is the one for your mind.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:36 | 4979591 old naughty
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damn right "we are not confident",

it will only get us more confused and focussed in this, no?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:43 | 4979609 Pladizow
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What do fake blondes and the MH17 have in common?

They both have black boxes!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:00 | 4979665 lordylord
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5 min after the crash, it seems that Ukraine and the US had proof.  But when have governments EVER told the truth?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:04 | 4979922 TeamDepends
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What if Igor Girson/Strelkov is telling the truth that some of the bodies were already badly decomposed and drained of blood. They could have been injected with anything! Crews near the corpses could be infected or possibly ground water. Was this a biological attack? Have they started not WWIII but WWZ?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:32 | 4980170 ZerOhead
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I think it's time to temporarily back of the meds TeamDepends  ;)

 

So has anybody over here heard any of those air traffic control / MH17 audios yet?

They've (we've) been sitting on those for over three days now. Everything from Amsterdam to Kiev was recorded and in their hands yet nothing released to the public.

Could have gone a long way to shutting up us conspiracy "kooks" before we had a chance to question the official story and also giving the MSM media real evidence rather than just the conjecture they have been spewing.

Question is WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:24 | 4980895 Manthong
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Does anyone think that the Russians do NOT have all of the air traffic communication with Kiev controllers recorded?

If the Russians are not really involved with the incident here, we will hear the directives from Kiev to MH17 soon.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 21:25 | 4981876 7.62x54r
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About the only thing the black box will have is a recording of earlier radio traffic ( that might be useful ), the last yells of the flight crew, and confirmation that an engine was blown off.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:48 | 4982368 bunzbunzbunz
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And a list of sensor data/failures - indicating where/if/when/how fast damage was done to the plane, thus indicating the size of initial damage, direction from which the damage came, size of explosive/EMP/jammer/laser in the pilots' eyes [ :) ].

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:07 | 4980119 erkme73
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Five minutes BEFORE the crash... There, fixed it.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:10 | 4980612 crazyjsmith
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"The truth has been classified, so stop demanding it, or we'll label you a terrorist"

- Both Sides

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 02:55 | 4982509 TheReplacement
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You get it!  +1

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:24 | 4979996 IEVI
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exactly..can you say distraction

this is the top story on every news site

meanwhile in Gaza...............

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:20 | 4979722 Geronimo66
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What Happened to the Malaysian Airliner? - http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/19/happened-malaysian-airliner-p...

"What intended use? News reports and circumstantial evidence provide two answers. One is that the ultra-nationalist extremists intended to bring down Putin’s presidential airliner and confused the Malaysian airliner with the Russian airliner.

The Interfax news agency citing anonymous sources, apparently air traffic controllers, reported that the Malaysian airliner and Putin’s airliner were traveling almost the identical route within a few minutes of one another. Interfax quotes its source: “I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft at 15:44 Moscow time. The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical.”

I have not seen an official Russian denial, but according to news reports, the Russian government in response to the Interfax news report said that Putin’s presidential plane no longer flies the Ukraine route since the outbreak of hostilities."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:01 | 4979911 Titus
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Russian govt has been asked, their response is "we never comment on the locotaion of the president's plane."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:28 | 4980455 Rusty Shorts
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The Bizarre MH17 Shootdown - CHECK IT OUT...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAeTYmXwlYA

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:53 | 4980764 buyingsterling
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Thanks for this, great video.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:55 | 4982314 conscious being
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Excellent find as usual, Rusty. Reading the Northwoods extracts, how can bubisAmericanus continue to believe anything coming out of zion DC??

FYI, Singapore is very close to the Zinos and they have issues with their neighbor Malaysia

Edit - Operation Northwoods scheme was to say the Cuban Mig did it, when in fact the target airliner would have a BOMB on board, to be detonated at the appropriate time.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:43 | 4979608 philipat
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Just for info, there are actually TWO "Black boxes".

Firstly, the Digital Flight Data Recoreder (DFDR). This won't help much except to show when the aircraft was hit and all data stopped recording.

Secondly, the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) which might help explain WHY MH17 was much further North than the normal flight path used by other MH flights in the week prior and by other carriers. Was this directed by Kiev ATC and, if so, why? We won't know from ATC records in Kiev because these records have been confiscated by the Ukranian Security Services. Why?

So any real further information depends upon who is holding the Black boxes and what actually happened. This is very murky as usual.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:46 | 4979620 Tao 4 the Show
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Precisely.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:43 | 4979834 chubbar
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In addition, isn't it fucking convenient how this tragedy fits perfectly with the US/UK call for the EU nations to impose sanctions on Russia? Here Cameron calls for EU support for sanctions but doesn't seem concerned about the confiscation of evidence by Ukrainian Security services. This isn't a search for the truth, it's an effort to isolate Russia from the EU.

Furthermore, I'm not sure ICAO is properly vetted as an institution that would reliably report evidence that goes against US interests. I would feel more comfortable if a team were compiled from countries that have a mix of interests in the outcome of the tapes. Have some russian/chinese observers with the tapes at all times with no one having unfettered access until the contents are published.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:53 | 4979879 Sirius Wonderblast
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Completely agree. Unfortunately, it seems Maceroon is doing Obama/TPTB bidding on this one, and to hell with evidence.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:13 | 4979953 Perfecthedge
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David "THE CUNT" Cameron should be hanged.  Warmonger!  He is just like the other idiot (Tony "Pedo" Blair)

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:14 | 4980859 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Tony Blair is where Social Democracy began to head in the wrong direction.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:21 | 4979980 laomei
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Well, the ATC tapes are being edited to make them as damning as possible.  If the CVR has gotten into the outside world into hands which are not willing to play along, then Kiev will simply claim they have been faked.  It's all the matter of who releases first.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 15:06 | 4980602 ThirteenthFloor
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RT did report that Russia was close to the chain of custody on the boxes.   http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Yes. The Air Traffic Control Recorders and the Radar systems can already provide "who sent and why was MH17 in that airspace" - that has been available since the crash and NOT revealed by USS.

So do not expect the "truth" will be known here.  Meanwhile Israel continues human atrocities, and the war drums pound on.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 03:40 | 4982543 Idaho potato head
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Uninterruptible autopilot.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:30 | 4979570 MsCreant
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Why is this funny and obvious sarcasm being down voted?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:31 | 4979571 1stepcloser
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CIA trolls know we are onto them!  Thats why!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:49 | 4979627 Chupacabra-322
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They're not trolls.

They're Pure Evil Lucerferian Vermin which need to be hunted down like the dogs that they are, hung upside down, have thier throats slit, watch them drown in thier own blood while simultaneously being set on fire.

Mark my words, their day of reckoning is vast approaching those Murdering Satinists.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:13 | 4979699 Thirtyseven
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What if they're not CIA/NSA trolls.  What if they are Mossad or Hasbara?  Much worse in my opinion, that latter group.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:17 | 4979715 Winston Churchill
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Plenty of overlap due to  alien DNA.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:54 | 4980312 CuttingEdge
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Just plain low-life no-life Orwellian cunt sums up your average NSA/CIA data collector.

Just in case any of them upon reading the above start questioning their personal role in all this shit but find the language a bit extreme.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:41 | 4982355 conscious being
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How's that go? "By deception so shall you wage war."

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:40 | 4979604 DeadFred
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Nobody likes the first commenter

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:47 | 4979621 thatthingcanfly
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Because there's nothing funny about any of this?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:56 | 4979648 MsCreant
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Works for me as a good reason for a down vote there.

Sarcasm is one of the weapons of the weak (the weak being you and I, the dead cannot defend themselves any more). You and I have to "trust" everything coming out of the "investigation." Uh huh....right. Ridicule, sarcasm, and suspicion is all we got.

"Dis" information makes it so they don't have to lie. All they have to do is put so many alternatives out there that we don't know what to believe. The truth can be in the mix, it's great stuff. The "backfire" to this is that folks like me (and you?) believe nothing and hate them and seethe. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:36 | 4979794 infinity8
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So much bullshit, so little time.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:16 | 4979709 ajax
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:59 | 4980099 El Vaquero
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I once attended a talk by a forensic anthropologist.  He was one of the guys that would get sent in to examine a scene where a person had died in a bath tub full of water and had not been discovered for a week.  Nasty shit.  His sense of humor was twisted, and I think it was a defense mechanism to safeguard his sanity.  Gallows humor. 

 

We're watching the whole world catch fire, and should laugh while we can. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:22 | 4980165 Greenskeeper_Carl
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That's all it is. Having pulled bodies out of the water, etc, you make some pretty calloused remarks and crude jokes. It's not that you don't care about the dead, or feel sorry for the families, it's just a distraction from the fucked up distinction you are in. Not something you would want the 'uninitiated' regular people to hear you doing though. They wouldn't get it, and just think you are a total asshole.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:11 | 4980846 infinity8
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I knew someone years ago (late '80's?) that thought they were going to be some kind of forensics specialist. Until they had to deal w/the first body-in-the-trunk case that came up. NOPE! done outta here!! I've done a lot of different things but, can't really relate to that. And, I'm sure they don't get paid enough so, have to be half mental to even go there. . .

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:48 | 4981406 The Alarmist
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I unfortunately had to train for recovery exerises, and we had someone go the comissary to buy a bunch of meat they would then let rot in the field for a couple days to enhance our experience in dealing with this.  You can't be a part of this sort of event with actual human remains an not have some sort of coping mechanism to deal with what was once a lving soul having now become a stinking piece of rotting meat.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 03:09 | 4982516 TheReplacement
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Do you mean MH370?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:47 | 4979622 pcrs
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That would be about the reason for the course deviation taking it over the war zone. I heard it was bad weather on the normal route.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:55 | 4979644 rubiconsolutions
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How soon we forget. Please remind me...who was held responsible for that? Uh, nobody. "The United States did not apologize to Iran." Sure. Because after all they're just a bunch of ragheads, right?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:12 | 4979693 toady
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Right.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:17 | 4979714 Let them eat iPads
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Thanks Reagan, you worthless piece of shit.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:05 | 4979673 junction
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The missing air traffic radar recordings made as MH17 flew over the Ukraine would be more useful.  Maybe someone should talk to the air traffic controller who diverted the jet into the corridor where it was shot down.  Oh, the controller is missing, he did not report to work.  No matter, we already know who did this.  Just have to find someone who can say he saw a missile launch from the ground, not from a stealth jet.  

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:18 | 4979721 Urban Redneck
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Cut the Ukeys some slack, Porky couldn't possibly have understand the ramifications when he did Barry a favor and granted Louis Lerner that job...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:39 | 4979738 Cacete de Ouro
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Who is this Spanish character called Carlos who tweeted (@spainbuca) multiple tweets on 17th July and said he was in the Air Traffic Control in Borispol airport, Kiev, that afternoon?

Malaysia Plane Shot Down By Ukraine, Claims Mysterious Spanish Air Traffic Controller | Fox News Latino

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/07/18/malaysia-plane-shot-dow...

"Carlos" did an interview with the Spanish version of RT on 6th May.
There is an embedded video of RT the interview (in Spanish) in the following link. His face is blurred out - but in a Pravda interview on 9th May his face is not blurred.

Amenazan de muerte a un español en Ucrania por opinar sobre la crisis – RT

http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/127516-amenazar-controlador-esp...

Translation of Spanish here:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=tra...

The following Pravda article from 9th May also says that Carlos @spainbuca is an air-traffic controller in the Borispol airport in Kiev for several years, and it has a clear photo of the guy in what looks like an internet café.

Original article here:
http://www.pravda-tv.ru/2014/05/09/58652

English Translation here:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=tra...

The Carlos tweets from 17th July can still be seen in archive
https://web.archive.org/web/20140717190718/https://twitter.com/spainbuca

An analysis of the twitter account from people on pastebin etc shows that Carlos' email is "ae.infcarlos@yahoo.com.ua" and that the Twitter account was opened in August 2010.

The email traffic to the account traces back via a London mail server but it does emanate entirely from Ukraine.

Carlos is apparently from Madrid but was not in Madrid, Spain, on 17th July as he said so himself in an earlier tweet that day where he commented about the stormy weather (tormenta) in Madrid.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:08 | 4980121 zzzddd1
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Here is atimes article by Pepe Escobar:

THE ROVING EYE
It was Putin's missile!
By Pepe Escobar 

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-190714.html

(my link insertion button does not work)

 

 

 

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 00:52 | 4982371 conscious being
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Cut and paste not working here either.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:07 | 4980122 zzzddd1
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Here is atimes article by Pepe Escobar:

THE ROVING EYE
It was Putin's missile!
By Pepe Escobar 

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-190714.html

(my link insertion button does not work)

 

 

 

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:08 | 4980124 zzzddd1
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Here is atimes article by Pepe Escobar:

THE ROVING EYE
It was Putin's missile!
By Pepe Escobar 

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-190714.html

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:08 | 4980125 zzzddd1
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Here is atimes article by Pepe Escobar:

THE ROVING EYE
It was Putin's missile!
By Pepe Escobar 

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-190714.html

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:08 | 4980129 zzzddd1
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Here is atimes article by Pepe Escobar:

THE ROVING EYE
It was Putin's missile!
By Pepe Escobar 

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-190714.html

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:56 | 4979889 Sirius Wonderblast
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Or from the Ukrainian jets  that are said to have escorted the airliner north.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:26 | 4980005 divedivedive
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Naively - I would like to see them make copies of those recordings, and the black boxes for that matter - right now (before anything can be doctored)  - and send a copy directly to Obama and Putin. Let each put their best resources at analyzing the contents and presenting their cases. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:33 | 4979783 tempo
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Obama authorizes air attacks in E. Ukraine to kill citizens, Putin responds and move surface to air missiles to protect E. Ukraine citizens. Accidents happens when big boy toys are used. Who is to blame?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:01 | 4979915 Payne
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They will have the Air Traffic controller deverting them for unknown reasons into a Restricted Airspace.  That places blame on ATC probably on Ukraine Positive control.  Only 2 entities had control of Weapon

Ukraine and Russia.  Ukraine diverts aircraft over so the Russia's shoot it down, why.  Ukraine diverts it to shoot it down itself and blame Russia.  Given that they have had snipers kill their own troops much more likely scenario.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:33 | 4980208 Totentänzerlied
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(In Malay)

Copilot to pilot: "Bogey inbound on our 6, bogey on our 6, can confirm it's a 9K37 Buk SA-11 tactical ballistic missile, object is approaching at Mach 3, looks like there's something written on the side, it says "From Russia and Donetsk Republic, with Love! -Putin" and it's Putin's own handwriting - you know I just happen to be a russophile and a certified graphologist. Time to impact is 7 seconds. Putin did it. Over."

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 22:35 | 4982072 JuliaS
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The plane was downed 60km from Russian border, while heading in the direction of Russia. Someone miscalculated and pulled the trigger too soon. The plan was to bring the plane down (or at least have it glide) over Russia. Then the evidence would've been fabricated perfectly. Instead, the plane blew up to pieces over the war zone where no planes should've traveled in first place.

You see many passenger airlines going over Iraq or Gaza? Don't think so.

The idea was to put blame squarely on Russia, but things went wrong. Now there's evidence that could put blame where it belongs, but Ukes and Jerries will have none of that. They have the black box! And a box that could hold anything!

 

"You remember that time I was supposed to get that boat? A boat is a boat, but the mystery box could be anything! It could even be a boat! You know how much we wanted one of those."

- Family Guy

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:15 | 4979549 COSMOS
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Hopefully the blackboxes will show thousands of kids killed in Gaza.  Especially the last moments of those little boys on the beach killed by Isreaeli shells from the sea a few days back.

Think about who has the most to gain from this, its Israel, usually the EU is the one that puts a lot of pressure on it for its treatment of the Palis, not the USA that is for sure.  So down a EU airliner over Ukraine, that should distract and punish the Euros.  Also a jab at the Russians for supporting the Syrians. Now the Uke govt has a bunch of dual citizens pulling the strings there also.  Fait accompli

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:19 | 4979717 sushi
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It is good to see the outrage stirred up by this tragic event and the way both governments and the MSM have addressed the issue.

I suspect this response is due to the fact that it is easy to conceptualize the human content of a single jetliner while other world atrocitites are just "big numbers" that fail to impress or make an impact.

It is thereforefore proposed that all death from conflict and tragedy should be calibrated against the loss of life on MH17. Examples follow.

The current attack on Gaza has resulted in civilian deaths equal to 1.3 MH17s

The loss of civilian life associated with the USSA invasion of Iraq is equal to 333.33 MH17s.

The loss of civilian life associated with the USSA backed coup in Ukraine and the subsequent shelling of civilians is estimated at 6.66 MH17s

This metric should help numerically challenged governments worldwide come up with an appropriate level of indignation and bluster.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:26 | 4979551 SHEEPFUKKER
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A black box with reddish hue. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:28 | 4979557 MsCreant
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What if justice demands that we rebuke and hold Obama responsible for arming aggressors or even saying yes to the plan for the CIA to pretend to be Russian rebels and blow that plane out of the sky?

A few years ago, what I posted above would have been sooooo too much tin hat. Today, because they have a history of lying, it is now the first thing I think. 

Fuck you Obama.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:34 | 4979578 nmewn
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Lady Justice should have demanded he be rebuked for arming Syrian rebels with leftover Libyan arms and allowing his "good friend" to die in Benghazi and shipping arms to Mexican drug cartels.

Apparently Lady Justice is a blind, deaf, mute who now lives on his welfare rolls and is seeking treatment through ObamaCare for her many maladies ;-)

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:25 | 4979729 DaddyO
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Lady Justice is crying over the current condition of her baby.

DaddyO

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:24 | 4979737 TeamDepends
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Or, better yet, people would have done their due diligence back in 2008 and he would have been laughed out of the country. Can't wait to see Joel Gilberts "Utopia". Will bring several hankies as we'll be crying like pussies.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:29 | 4980189 adeptish
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The alternative was John McCain...

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:29 | 4979562 alexcojones
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Gonna be another NTSB Bullshit drama.

Like flt 800. And JFK jr. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:50 | 4979868 All_Your_Base
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18 years to the day from the explosion of TWA 800

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:12 | 4980378 WillyGroper
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8-1=7

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:51 | 4981418 The Alarmist
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19, you see?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:31 | 4979565 ChacoFunFact
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um, i call bullshit.  why is the background (sun baked grass field) so different from the rest of the debris field? 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:36 | 4979587 One And Only
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Debris field is in a 10 mile radius.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:32 | 4979573 Reaper
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What is proof? What is truth? Who is to be trusted to obtain that proof? Who benefits from this evil? Only the last question can be answered now with truth.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:01 | 4979650 what's that smell
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the greatest criminal of our time responsible for 911 and other heinous crimes is shot dead in a busy pakistani suburb and his body dumped in the sea before he could be interrogated or hauled before a court of justice......

come on dudes.

some crazy shit-for-brains russian stooges steal a sophisticated anti-aircraft battery and shoot down a passenger jet filled with europeans that has strayed off course over a war zone.....on the first try no less.

who makes up this crap?

what's more comical is: who believes it?

19 box cutter wielding jihadists steal some jumbo jets....fuck!!!....been there, done that.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:37 | 4980222 DoChenRollingBearing
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The day bin Laden was "shot and dumped at sea" was the day I joined the Tinfoil Hat Brigade.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:52 | 4981423 The Alarmist
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I resisted the urge, but only because I was hoping for a first-hand testimonial that bin laden's body did not have evidence of freezer burn.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:33 | 4979574 q99x2
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Arrest John Corzine before more people are vaporized.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:28 | 4981340 BlindMonkey
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Or just kill his children as an acceptable substitute.

(Too soon???)

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:54 | 4981430 The Alarmist
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Nah, we have a constitutional prohibition on attainder ... people like chelsea and jeb should be grateful for that.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:37 | 4979596 toady
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The U.S. MSM has really solidified its meme;

The CRIMINAL pro-RUSSIAN TERRORISTS and PUTIN are responsible.

I've heard the capitalized words and several variations of the sentence above about fifty times this morning.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:53 | 4979639 Chupacabra-322
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It's a Criminal Pure Evil CIA PsyOp, False Narrative, Propagandized script handed to them by those Evil Scum.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:37 | 4979598 Seasmoke
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At this point in time. I will not be surprised if they come up with two black boxes with two different sets of data. Everyone can then pick which one they prefer. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:52 | 4979634 DeadFred
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Didn't you see it in the cargo manifest published by ZH recently?

prerecorded black box for Boeing 777 / 22kg / USA:CIA

Personnally I wouldn't have stepped on the plane if I knew that was on board

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:20 | 4979978 Rootin' for Putin
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there were 'aircraft parts'

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:39 | 4979603 PT
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If the results of examining the contents of this black box result in a sudden and unexpected out-break of peace in both Ukraine and Gaza, with Obama and Putin resolving their differences over a friendly chat, then I guess this is legit.  Otherwise I don't trust anything.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:49 | 4979859 RafterManFMJ
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Oh boy, a Vodka and a White Wine Spritzer Summit!

On a personal note, I no longer even look at Malaysian Jets, let alone fly on them.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:42 | 4979610 tony wilson
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i am getting confused now..

 

was the black box frozen and had it had all it's blood removed as well

has putins passport been found at the crash shite yet?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:46 | 4979615 socalbeach
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The 3 possible culprits are Kiev/West, Russia, or the Militia. 

Then it could have been a random accident, a "forced" accident (getting the plane to fly low and over a combat zone, possibly shadowed by military planes), or deliberate.

And finally it could have been shot down by a ground-to-air missile, or an air-to-air missile.

Of the 18 possibilities, 10 can be eliminated: there would be no motive for the Russians or rebels to deliberately shoot down the plane obviously. And there's no way a Russian or Militia plane shot down the airliner.

Of the remaining 8 possibilities, if it was a "forced" accident, Kiev/West is still to blame.  If it was a random accident by Russia or the Militia, it is still the West's fault for overthrowing the Kiev government to start this whole mess.

So what I'm basically saying is that Cameron is FOS.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:50 | 4979629 tony wilson
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cam moron is in a world of sleeze  filth  death and child rape shit.

israel has all the intel on these paedophiles in power cam moron and his rothschild bum chums will keep reading the rabinical kosher scripts.

 

cam moron and his rabbi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRjX9xbswW4

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:34 | 4979787 Cacete de Ouro
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Don't forget the sordid videos of Nicky Clegg in the Rothschild mansion, sick shit

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:31 | 4980016 Kirk2NCC1701
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I'm impressed by the amount of oral ___ all these British political and religious leaders have bestowed on the man with the silver tongue.  Clearly "he is The Most Interesting Man in the World".

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:52 | 4979873 RafterManFMJ
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Have we ruled out collision with an African-American hole on this crash? Could be the Earth is flying through an extremely dense concentration of African-American holes.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:54 | 4979619 NOZZLE
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First, the US backed ukraine Nazis have been waging a war against women and children in Donbass including the use of phosphorus bombs on apartment blocks and houses.  No one gave a shit about that until a plane operated by the yellow jungle monkeys drove straight thru a war zone and got blown out of the sky.  

Second, Last time I checked, there was an elected set of executives in Ukraine until the CIA backed Nazis displaced them thru violence, or are we supposed to foget all about that.  

Third, ever since the OJ verdict I stopped giving  shit about what anyone calls facts.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:58 | 4979657 Chupacabra-322
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Operation PaperClip. At its core the Pure Evil Criminal CIA is NAZI in its origin.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:01 | 4979664 IllusionOfChoice
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+1 on point #3. Hadn't pondered that much, but it was a great moment for government say-so ruling over pesky evidence and surely had widespread conditioning effects.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:33 | 4980022 Kirk2NCC1701
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+1 for "widespread conditioning effects"

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 19:20 | 4981352 BlindMonkey
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They call it "spread wide conditioning effects" in New Mexico.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:51 | 4979623 Jayda1850
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Fucking Bob Scheifer! There hasn't been any investigation and all the bodies not even recovered yet and this cocksucker is going on and on, "what else do we need to know?" WTF!?!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:03 | 4979669 Oldrepublic
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so why watch that propagandist?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:07 | 4979680 Jayda1850
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Had it on as background noise and the sheer unrealness of the statement couldn't help but draw my attention and incredulity.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:29 | 4980186 One of We
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Shitty excuse.  MSM for background noise is like arsenic for air freshener.  Both real poison that taken even in small doses repeatedly will kill your body and your brain.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:58 | 4979651 ekm1
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Mistaking that boeing for an Ukrainian antonov and then showing no remorse and mistreating dead bodies shows that Putin is basically an animal.

 

However, by the way the world works, world will tilt towards him away from USA and west because world respects violence, regardless of what kind of violence, even animalistic like this one.

 

What an animal!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:04 | 4979672 Bollixed
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Here's an idea... Turn off your TV and learn to think for yourself.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:08 | 4979684 ekm1
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No TV no cable since 2001, 13 years.

No CNBC, no CNN, no fox news, no nytimes.

I follow blogs mostly.

 

I am fully decontaminated from main stream media.

 

This is animalism pure and simple

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:15 | 4979708 blabam
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Blaming Putin for the shitty body clean up in a war zone is like blaming Obombo for every beheading in Syria/ Iraq in the last 2 years... fucking retarded. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:16 | 4979710 MsCreant
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Do you believe Putin is more of an "animal" than Obama?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:20 | 4979724 ekm1
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You can't compare Putin with Obama.

Putin killed people when Obama was damaging his brain with cocaine. Obama is brainless.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:29 | 4979764 Urban Redneck
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So coke-heads aren't responsible for those they kill?

Fuck Yellen's printing press- it's time to short CXW...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:37 | 4979786 ekm1
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I reject the concept that Obama has the human capacity to use his brain longer than 60 seconds.

Harry Reid is running the show. Bank lobby owns congress.

Even Obama care is pelosi care.

Obama simply signs papers and goes golfing.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:52 | 4979870 Urban Redneck
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Well you got me there, Obama is certainly below average on the intelligence scale, at least compared to the vast majority of American adults I have interacted with over the last several decades, but that doesn't excuse or reduce his culpability for his actions.

There's a reason we don't allow retards to fly planes. However, Barry wanted the job, and he's both responsible and liable for the actions of his administration. Bushy is comparably inferior, but that doesn't in any way excuse him hiring and empowering Barry's actual father, Darth Cheney.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:39 | 4981378 BlindMonkey
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That would explain why Barry is so hell bent on immigration. If you bring in enough stupid aliens, that are the bottom of the barrel even in their home countries, he would be able to lower the averages and he would be exceptional!

Barry IS President Camacho!!

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:30 | 4979768 Let them eat iPads
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Absolutely he is. There is no question.

Putin is a savage KGB pig who's had his political rivals killed or imprisoned.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:40 | 4979809 MsCreant
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Just like the rumors of the Clinton's having their adversaries killed (Vince Foster) there are rumors that people have died to cover up some things about Obama that would hurt him.

http://patdollard.com/2011/11/mother-of-obamas-murdered-gay-lover-speaks...

I am not claiming I know anything. I am just saying that there is enough information out there to build the case that Obama is an "animal" too, depending on how you define "animal."

The way this stuff looks, everyone in politics does it.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 04:50 | 4982585 damicol
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And obummer is fucking faggot kenyan monkey crossed wth a nigger bitch that blows his own fucking people up witth drones and blames the fucking weather

 

 Cunt

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:10 | 4980132 Ward no. 6
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but still even a blog is not always a source of truth....

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:38 | 4980500 ebear
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"I am fully decontaminated from main stream media."

In your dreams.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:08 | 4979683 tony wilson
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ekm1 my friend tell me something of your culture?

Are New York Hospitals Hiding Herpes From Metzitzah B'Peh Circumcision rabbi cock sucking Rite?

http://forward.com/articles/174081/are-new-york-hospitals-hiding-herpes-...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:15 | 4979694 ekm1
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Non Slavic christian orthodox

Eastern European

Living in toronto

 

 

Let's not go off topic

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:38 | 4980041 tony wilson
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ok just like irish john kerry

i get ya

i get ya

moshe

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:47 | 4981405 Escapedgoat
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Don't give us that shit. You can't be  a Romanian or Greek chance 1 in a million maybe.

give us your reasons then you psychopath.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:14 | 4979704 IndianaJohn
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ekm1, -- Moshe, is that you?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:43 | 4979836 tsuki
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I think you need to head back to Huffpo where you can read all the government propaganda. 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:58 | 4979659 johny2
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responsability rests with people who spent billions of usd to create havoc in ukraine, and who sent director of CIA to Kiev.

 

the same people who stay silent the tanks are shelling civilian areas both in ukraine and gaza. the good thing is that very few people in the west still believe in bombing to promote democracy and freedom, making it possible that their planed ww3 will fail to happen. Even though people like Mc Cain will do anything to try to make it happen.

 

 

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:59 | 4979662 alexcojones
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Just curious.

Who was the last Brit prime minister who was NOT a piece of shit? David Cameron and Blair seem to be human turds.

We have this debate in the USA, and for the past 50 years we have has POS sociopaths.

Don't need a black box to tell us the plane is plummeting here in Murica.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:26 | 4979751 Proofreder
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Carry around a fire hose.

Keep a clean nose. Watch the plain clothes.

You don't need a weather man 

To know which way the wind blows

B. Dylan - a prophet for our times

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 14:33 | 4980478 WillyGroper
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Your Prophet sold out.

Yea, it's the thrust.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:09 | 4979944 Yes We Can. But...
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When does the plane hit the ground?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:21 | 4980163 One of We
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I can't speak for the Brits but James Madison was a stand-up guy.....200+ years ago and all downhill since then.....

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:10 | 4979686 IndianaJohn
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I am a livestockman. I dospose of dead animals as a daily routine. In July, you must have disposed of a dead by the second day. By the third day, you will be raking unpleasant lumps onto a canvas for removal. On the fourth day you will not be able to pick up an intact body because by then because even the connective tissues have decayed to the extent that you will pull off a limb. or pull a mangled body in two. By then the job is better left to the offical inspector clerks who will vomit on their clipboards and expensive shoes. 

Ass from a hole-in-the-ground politicans and their mouthpieces are as revolting as a fourth day dead in the July sun.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:35 | 4980025 Clueless1
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I've had to crawl underneath my parents house in order to remove the carcass of an old man kangaroo.  It had either been ousted from its mob by a younger buck, or had been savaged by a dog, and had probably crawled under the house to lick its wounds before it expired.  Even thinking about it raises bile...and I've worked in an abbotoir.

 

I don't envy those people tasked with recovering the remains of the people lost in the crash.  I certainly am not going to criticise them for 'inapproriate handling' of the remains, as our illustrious PM, Tony Abbott, has been doing.     

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:16 | 4979687 adonisdemilo
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If Russia is criminal in arming the rebels in their attempts to overthrow the UNELECTED Kiev Government then why aren't the West criminal in arming the Syrian rebels against Assaad who was ELECTED?

STFU Cameron, stop being a patsy for TPTB.

 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:39 | 4979810 Let them eat iPads
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What do you mean "unelected Kiev government"?

Are you serious?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:48 | 4980071 Let them eat iPads
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No answer from this idiot or any other Putin supporter.

No wonder, what a stupid thing to say. Unelected government, huh?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 16:38 | 4980950 Iwanttoknow
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At ZH,We ignore CIA/NSA/Mossad trolls.Got it,arsehole?

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:03 | 4980110 Ides of November
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Please enlighten us all as to when the current Government in Ukraine won an election. 

I'll let you in on a fact - Never.

So what point are you trying to make again?  I assume you support Assad's campaign to put down the terrorist rebels in Syria funded and encouraged by the likes of Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the West.

Oh, do you consider Poroshenko's election (which certainly had its own question marks) the election of the current Ukraine Government? 

Surely you are aware Ukrainian Presidential & Legislative Elections are separate right? Just like in many other countries. 

 

Can you clarify what your smug comments are getting at? 

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:10 | 4979692 Seize Mars
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The plane was diverted from its expected course to a course over a "hot zone."

The Black Box will show who gave them the order to do that, and of course that would fuck up the CIA/Mossad cover story.

So this is very important to the phoney narrative.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 13:40 | 4980138 flapdoodle
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If this is indeed a false flag, it is also a false hope to expect the black box to indict the Kiev monsters that routed MH17 into the middle of a war zone to be shot down by Banderistas using a Ukrainian fired missile. This is all a planned event and I would not expect the black boxes to pin down the Ukies, only to support the CIA/Mossad narrative.

Why Malaysian Airlines? They are replaying 9/11. After the first plane hit the tower, the Deep State perpetrators carefully waited for everyone to turn on their TV sets, and then they got to see the second plane hit the second tower, indelibly burning 9/11 into the sheeple's consciousness and setting up for the Patriot Act and completing the transformation of the US into a Police State.

The key is that the first plane got the attention, the real psychological payload was delivered by the second plane in real time. In this sense, MH370+MH17 follows the *exact* same script as 9/11

Now why do you think the MSM spent a whole month with almost non-stop coverage of MH370? Its obvious to me at least that this was the setup to grab everyone's attention to MH17 when it occured, the psychological payload is the setting up the sheeple to support World War III.

This *is* the "false flag" everyone thought would actually use the physical, lost MH370. MH370 was indeed used for a false flag, but only at the level of the MH370 meme, "the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777". What happened to the real MH370? Its doesn't matter - it was just a setup for getting everyone's attention when MH17 "the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777" event burst on the scene.

Its laffable to try to pin this on Russia or the separatists. Who in actual fact gained the most from this event? The US/Israel/EU Deep State is much more evil that I ever imagined...

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 18:33 | 4981349 Escapedgoat
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+ 1000000000000000000000000  for their script

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:12 | 4979698 robertocarlos
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There is almost noone to trust with that blackbox.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:32 | 4979775 Circle of DNA
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So the Anti-Nazi resistance never even had the BUK systems, in other words they had absolutely 0, zilch, probability to shoot down this plane. Obviously, not to mention the fact that it was definitely not in their interests to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AuZ1Ok3s_I

You'd have to turn on the captions.

Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:39 | 4979811 toady
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Exactly. And the Ukrainians have hundreds of BUKs. Just sayin.

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