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The Ambitious Plan To Break California Into 6 States – A Model For The Future?
Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
The more I’ve thought about potential solutions to the gigantic mess we have found ourselves in as a species, the more I have come to believe we need to break apart into a vast multitude of city-states. The revolutionary concept of America in the first place was this idea of “self-governance,” something we do not posses an iota of in this day and age. As was noted recently in an academic paper published by Princeton and Northwestern, these United States have mutated into nothing short of an oligarchy. In fact, the study demonstrated that the will of the people has essentially zero impact on legislation whatsoever.
In centuries prior, the idea of “representative-democracy” in which people elect people to represent their interests in a far off capital seemed like a reasonable solution to a very real problem. Information took a very long time to get from one place to another, so you had to trust someone else to essentially negotiate for you on issues of national significance. Moreover, in such a disconnected world, centralization was not only more efficient, it seemed like the only way. As such, things became highly centralized, so much so that things have now morphed into a global oligarchy that wields almost total power. Meanwhile, the billions of plebs have no say whatsoever in the affairs that govern their lives; including whether they will be financially secure, posses any civil liberties at all or end up in jail for a wide litany of non-violent “crimes.”
With the incredible tools we now possess, thanks primarily to the Internet, we no longer need centralization of government. Nor do we really need representatives to vote for us on the issues that most greatly affect out lives. As any American understands, the diversity of cultural, economic, and political sentiments vary greatly throughout the land. It’s not just the obvious ones, such as the differences between “northerners” and “southerners,” but wide discrepancies exists within states themselves. For example, Austin is nothing like much of the rest of Texas, and the Denver/Boulder area where I live is very distinct from much of the rest of Colorado. The examples are simply too many to list, but I am of the belief that people are capable of, and should be free to, decide the most important things that affect their lives at a local level (with the exception of obvious things such as violence or aggression toward one another).
The founding fathers’ original idea of many “United States” allowed for different ideals to be expressed in a wide variety of ways, and is in my opinion one of the most advantageous attributes of our nation. But why stop there? Why not allow different areas and municipalities break off even further into far more autonomous type structures than we have today?
Of course many people will answer, what about slavery? The truth of the matter is that this abomination in the United States seemingly had to be resolved through a bloody conflict given the economic interests in the south at the time. The founders decided one war was enough, and let this horrible practice be tackled almost a hundred years later through violent conflict. I hope that we have advanced enough as a species that we can come to a global consensus that certain things are illegal everywhere. Slavery, murder, rape, etc. Other than these (and other) obvious evils we can all agree on, decentralized legislation seems to make sense to me in this day and age. While I strongly disagree with “global government” a global consensus on certain things we can all agree upon as reprehensible anywhere on earth seems completely reasonable.
With that in mind, the man who recently purchased the entire 30,000 Silk Road Bitcoins from the feds has proposed to break California into six separate parts. The measure has already collected “far more than the 800,000 signatures” needed to to get it on the state ballot.
Like Hollywood or Manhattan, Silicon Valley occupies a singular place on the American cultural and economic landscape. Unlike those other locales, however, the Valley’s more idiosyncratic political leanings have led to murmurings of secession more typical of rural hinterlands that already feel cut off through sheer physical isolation. That chatter has culminated in a measure that appears headed for the statewide ballot to split California into six separate states, of which Silicon Valley would be one.
While ostensibly a plan to make the entire state of 38 million people more governable, the six-state initiative is being led and funded by a member of the Silicon Valley elite, many of whom would no doubt welcome the increased political clout that would likely come from carving out their own statehood. In the hands of most, the six-state initiative would look like a pure stunt. But with Silicon Valley behind it, this effort’s chances at the ballot box can’t be dismissed out of hand. Unlike most other would-be revolutionaries, Silicon Valley has a long record of taking ideas that sound outlandish at the time—affordable computers in every home, private rocket ships—and managing to make them real. It also has a seemingly endless stream of money that, combined with heavy doses of ingenuity and shamelessness, give its goofball ideas the fuel they need to take off.
Leading the six-state push is Tim Draper, a wealthy third-generation venture capitalist known for his theatrics. He hosts the superhero-themed Draper University of Heroes, a kind of motivational cram session for would-be startup entrepreneurs, and once wore a Captain America costume himself on a magazine cover. Last month, he bought nearly 30,000 bitcoins auctioned off by the U.S. Marshals Service after authorities had seized them from online black market Silk Road. In short, he’s exactly the kind of guy with the time, money, and temperament to push a wacky-sounding ballot measure.
“Our gift to California is this—it’s one of opportunity and choice,” Draper said at a press conference yesterday where he announced the campaign had collected far more than 800,000 signatures needed to get the measure on the ballot. “We’re saying, make one failing government into six great states.”
The campaign in favor of the measure argue that six states will mean six state governments more responsive to local concerns, rather than the unwieldy process of orchestrating the state’s 158,000 square miles entirely from Sacramento.
With the six-state proposal, the Californian Ideology appears to be seeking out its final, fullest, most ironic realization by underwriting Silicon Valley’s emancipation from California itself.
And why wouldn’t Silicon Valley seek to be free? Through the lens of its own sensibility, at least, California looks like the worst kind of incumbent, an ancient and inefficient institution mired in old ways of doing business, a monopolist that holds onto power through manipulation, not innovation. To six-state supporters, holding onto the idea of a single California represents, at best, an irrational sentimentality, a commitment to the past grounded in lazy logic and unexamined assumptions. Breaking up California is exactly the kind of “disruption” that titillates the venture capitalist imagination. In the process, the new state of Silicon Valley—which would stretch from San Francisco to Monterey–would also, conveniently, separate its great and greatly concentrated wealth from the poorer parts of the state.
The Valley’s “hacker way” has so far proven a clumsy fit for the strategic complexity of the political process, which relies more on realism than idealism. Before California would officially break up, per the U.S. Constitution, the existing state legislature would still have to sign off, which it’s unlikely to do for a host of reasons, not least being the tax revenue lost to Silicon Valley seceding. Congress would also have to approve what would amount to the dilution of its own power by granting California twelve senators instead of the current two.
At this point, I’d like to make it clear I don’t think this will become a reality in the near-term. In fact, it is likely that decentralization will first occur in the economic and technological areas of human society way before it happens on the political level. The reasons for this should be obvious.
We are already seeing decentralization take over in all sorts of economic areas. Information flow in general and alternative media specifically, currency (Bitcoin), transportation (Uber, Lyft), and manufacturing (3D-printing). When the political process fully implodes in the West, we’ll look to decentralized successes in other areas and apply them to politics.
I believe the current overly centralized paradigm parasitically engulfing the planet will experience a series of spectacular collapses in the years ahead that will make 2008 look like practice. As the centralized beast episodically implodes upon itself, we will have a historic chance to remake our world in a new way that will better serve humanity. That new paradigm will consist of freedom through decentralization, and I can’t wait to see it.
In fact, it’s already started.
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One is enough.
Looks OK as long as all the sewer pipes drain into Sacramento.
It is fitting and just.
6 states? 8 states? 20 states?
Give it up... it will all be Mexi-fornia eventually!
Republic of Jefferson
Won't ever come to pass ... elites have roots in the current system and will generally fight any kind of change like this as it eats away at their entrenched interests. It is hard work (and expensive) buying off the new batch of politicos. Better off with the ones already paid for ... like a paid for car, ya' know?
Regards,
Cooter
That's like 10 extra senate seats.
To help attract new muslim immigrants they could call them Califates...
“OK as long as all the sewer pipes drain into Sacramento”
What? Like the crap hasn’t been flowing OUT from Sacramento for the last 40 years?
The USA will break up when the fiat dies and the SS checks are not worth a box of depends.
The worthless SS checks and fiat bills will be bundled together to function as SHTF substitute Depends and Pampers.
Just think... your young'ens and oldsters may be wearing Presidential and other Founding Father portrait Underoos!
Haaahaaaaaaah.....venture boy puts lipstick on the balkanization pig!!!!
Everyone claps:-)
It's the meme that matters anymore. Only.
That is a big key everyone seems to be missing....
As a liberal and a staunch defender of big government that pays (me), I am against anything that prevents me from retiring by the time I'm 46-years-old and still collect 95% of my highest annual salary. Plus benefits.
That I can never get fired no matter what I do is not enough. I should be demanding tax increases on all private citizens to protect my pension but I'm not. Instead, I'll just generously settle for a 20% raise. Every year. Plus benefits. For me and all of my relatives from Mexico. It's only fair.
-> debt serfs of a corrupt federal government
-> debt serfs of a corrupt local government
The technical way in which any sort of break up of California will be thwarted, at least as far as the federal government is concerned, is that the Congress will not approve acts to accept the new states into the Union. Without that acceptance, they will not be recognized by the federal government and will be considered rebels, enemies of the State. If the will of the people is strong enough then they will simply break away, but yes, the political owners aren't going to let go of their prize without a fight.
I am Chumbawamba.
I do not have the legal details, but my understanding is that the state of Texas (under the treaty with the US upon joining) has the right to break itself into as many as five states.
Liberals shudder...
Treaty is correct but isn't worth toilet paper, just like our beloved Constitution.
I marked this down because I don't like it. That does not mean it is not ture. I just don't like it.
To buy in to the "Six State" option, each has to ante up their portion of underfunded CalPers.
No moarFed trough bailouts.
Non-issue.
I really like the "Republic of Jefferson" idea. Maybe a real Galt's Gulch? I would apply for citizenship in a heart beat, pretty country up there, too. Is one truely free state for freedom loving people asking too much?
who gets the mexicans and central americans?
Chop it up.
Who gives a shit about California?
OK, downvoter.
I'm waiting for a rebuttal.
(Besides, a trigger-finger)
Californication.
Hotel California brah
The Constitution is only worth the blood, sweat, steel, and lead with which it is enforced.
I recall this from Texas history class when I was elementary school, but I have not been able to easily substantiate it after spending a bit of time looking (back when Perry was shooting off his mouth).
Any ZHers got solid sources (no offense, just don't want any endoftheworld.blogspot.com references - this should be pretty easily sourced if factual).
Regards,
Cooter
A few name suggestions to fit the wonderfully diverse changes...
South California - Newer Mexico
West California - Newest Mexico
Silicon Valley - Queersland
Central California - Droughtsberg
I also did a cursory check one time and couldn't find anything.
So, trying again:
Interesting. Texas, having been an independent republic already, was annexed, as opposed to being a new state carved out of a territory. Here's the congressional annexation resolution, but the right of Texas to secede isn't in here (though one might expect it to be):
https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/annexation/march1845.html
And it's not in here, the resolution accepting Texas into the Union:
https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/annexation/dec1845.html
Here's a nice little fact bonanza on Texas. I guess the reason we could never find the authorization for Texas to secede from the Union is because there is none, as is eventually revealed if you watch through to the end of the video here:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/06/could-texas-really-secede-from-the-union-the-answer-is/
So there you go. You're welcome. Sorry, Texas.
-Chumbz.
6 states = 12 senators
we are fucked
If we are going to do this, the hobosexuals will need their own enclave. So make it seven.
You have a cold. Oh dear. Hope that clears up soon.
Haa!
Hi John! Why the long face?
I apologize, cheap shot. You are a pretty horse, of course.
~"6 states = 12 senators"~
Not really. Actually, it would help conservatives. Here's how:
Currently the state of California has two senators, both of whom are liberals and democrats. With the state the way it is, very little seems to be going to change that because the large democrat-voting populaces of Sacramento, the Bay Area and the LA metroplex.
The split would create 3 liberal/democrat states and three, (South California, Central California and Jefferson) conservative ones. So the Senate would gain 4 democrat senators and 6 republican ones, (to the existing 2 existing democrats).
But as someone pointed out above, the odds of this are not good. The current liberal power structure in the state will be very much against this. They aren't about to let conservatives escape their little rathole prison. Colorado has a better chance than we Californians do.
Jefferson would be Ron Paul land x 2000. South California would get a lot of the right wing Californians who have left the state. Central would be very conservative. West, North and Silicon Valley would be left wing strongholds. At worst it would be 7-5 in favor of Democrats.
I don't like government, but I think that government is inevitable once there are enough people in a region. There are too many sheeple who want to be led, and more than enough wolves exist. Once things got settled down, I would do fine without a government, and would probably be happy. But since I don't see that as being any sort of permanent state of being, I'd pick a flaccid government, with the full understanding that within 100 or 200 or 300 years, it would become a corrupt juggernaut in need of some guillotines.
I think the key to liberty is to ensure that no one person or entity has a monopoly on the use of force. Wolves need to be shot from time to time when they get too brave.
Wolves and government need to fear the people...
Oh wait...
Wolves and government are often the same.
Shit, that was your point. Carry on. And if you want to keep the pelt for maximum resale value, might I suggest a .204 Ruger?
How typical of the liberal troll ... late to the thread.
Coffee break at work much?
Regards,
Cooter
I think our friend Liberal is actually on our side, just doesn't want to /s...
Oh, I figured as much, just contributing to the chum in the water so to speak. :-)
Regards,
Cooter
ENJOY the season, amigo!
I like the effort, but he needs to get deeper into the Liberal role. There is always a wink at cha' in the post. MDB is pretty dry in his delivery, no wink that says "I'm playing."
MDB = Academy Troll Nominee
Dear Liberal, you are a true patriot. I wish that most people were like you because ... oh, wait ...
ORI it's dumbfounding how people don't see this.
the independence movements of milan and venice pass for the same bag of shit, when you see the empire capital of luxembourg and brussels approve this---it's because the EU , like DC supports regional balkanization if it helps them maintain control.
texas and california could help maintain the status quo by balkanizing. while we're at it, why not just balkanize every state into a jerry mandered district of one congressman and we can have the senate filled with the top wealthiest 100 board members of the fortune 500.
jerry mandered? What does Leave it To Beaver have to do with it?
Everyone whose retirement and other assets depends on "paper" will feel this in the end. Insurance companies, pensions, you name it. Given the staggering numbers, it will be pretty much everyone.
At the same time, everyone wants a flushing shitter, a shit to flush, and a hot cot to sleep in all of which requires a job of some sort doing something useful for somebody, somewhere.
We are in the "in between" phase where a global government hasn't quite taken hold with a new unit of account (buh-bye old liabilities) and too many people still believe in the old system of account.
All that will change and anyone that thinks they know the outcome is selling something they do not posses.
Regards,
Cooter
a process known as federal gerrymandering
In the future when Americans say "Balkanization", they will be thinking of California.
Natural outgrowth of our overreaching and tyrannical central government empire.
Which of the six will be "Pornlandia?"
I'm looking for Mexifornia, myself.
MexTexifornia
Fixed it for you.
>>>That's like 10 extra senate seats.
On top of the 12 senate seats currently alotted to "New England" (i.e. Greater Massachusetts).
are you paying attention!?!!?? silicon valley douchebags are wall street funded and in-q-tel funded elites.
the point of breaking up california is to balkanize the last large state standing other than texas that could bargain strongly against the government. if california goes bankrupt they will have massive leverage in bargaining for a government bailout . if california is 6 separate states, it will have no leverage.
and when i say leverage. i mean that to begin with while bankruptcy has a political component , it is generally setup as a predictable set of laws. ACTUAL LEGAL BANKRUPTCY IS PROHIBITED TO THE STATES AND THEY MUST THERFOE ENTER INTO NEGOTIATION FOR BAILOUTS FROM LARGER ENTITIES---THE FED AND .GOV, ELSE THEY DEFAULT.
A DEFAULT OF TAXIFORNIA WOULD BE EPIC AND LEAD TO A WAVE OF CONTAGION DEFAULTS. HENCE---THE IDEA OF A BREAKUP, BALKANIZE DIVIDE AND CONQUER AND ENSURE THE TAXPAYERS AND PENSIONERS TAKE THE BRUNT OF ANY STATE INVOLVENCY PROCEEDING WHILE THE BONDHOLDERS REMAIN wHOLE.
The Six colonies of Mexico
It would be fun to watch in the news as the bazillion free shit army branches of the Cali state government realize the free shit buffet is over.
Bring on the BKs!
Regards,
Cooter
The BKs happen after the quake. We have months of good time until then.
I kind of see the whole muni BK domino list as a macabre list of old people I know, sorted by age/health, as the funerals are inevitable.
No one lives forever (sound familiar), but what is most relevant is who is most likely to tits-up next.
It won't be a short list, so bake casseroles in bulk and freeze them, so it's easier to make the appointments and appear sincere.
Regards,
Cooter
Soylent wafers.
"Tits-up..."
I don't know why I like that term so much, but I do.
What?!? I know why I like that term so much, and I'm not very smart.
Politicians seem to live forever anymore. I'm opening to door to old, so I feel free to comment. Why don't some of these senile pricks just retire or die?
Yes, a very rhetorical question, I know.
So then, where where will the parasitic Mexicans go when the feeder tube from White America is pulled?
Easy! Illinois, New York, New Mexico (!), Massachussetts...
What if we go with "Old Mexico"? Then they could have this NFL rivalry with New Mexico (do they even have a team?) or some other sports bull shit that Amerikans can really get behind!
Regards,
Cooter
We have the Albuquerque Isotopes, a minor league base ball team. It used to be the Dukes, because Albuquerque was named after a misspelling of the Archduke of Alburquerque. I still remember the radio jingle: "The Dukes are coming up, coming up swinging! Come on Dukes! Play ball!" Good times, considering that the world wasn't catching fire. From what I understand, it was even better times when they had nickle or dime beer night, but they had to cut that shit out because there were too many drunken fights.
And New Mexico is cleaner than Old Mexico, and I'd like to keep it that way. Hell, even over on Bridge St, which is like little Mexico with business signs that say shit like "Dentista," it's still cleaner than Mexico, or at least the border towns. It reminds me of a border town like Palomas, but without the Bud cans and garbage on the streets and grandmothers teaching grandchildren how to panhandle from us gringos.
What the history books need is a good old European,Middle East style war.
New World, meet Old World.
And a China-man could give a shit. " why should I care, it's on the other side of the world?
Dear Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arkansas, and Louisiana. We can see the writing on the wall and will eventually secede. We were just wondering on which side of your state would you like us to build the wall. Regards --Texas
Texans talk big but Perry has done nothing about the border invasion and Texans have said jack shit too. Too busy with nonsense like football.
Texas is going to hell ever since Perry went metrosexual.
Needs to swap those specs for a pair of Wily-X. Fuck it, give him a uniform too. That would be worth the price of admission . A governor with a uniform. Like these tin horn police chiefs from every hick town, with five stars or bars on their collar.
And a ten gallon hat, with scrambled eggs on the rim.
And a feather. Yeah, a big fucking feather.
Like a pimp, why not. I'm on a roll. Maybe me my meds a wearing off.
After committing the Texas Rangers and now the National Guard, what more can Perry do?
Practically not much. However, a standoff between him and Eric Holder would be fun.
Yes, very entertaining!
Idoits, they only need deploy Chuck Norris to the border and fogedaboudit.
To this point, regarding mouthy Texans, its been pretty much All Hat and No Cattle.
We're going to want Colorado back as well.
Missouri would like to hook up through either Arkansas or Oklahoma.
We'll need funding though, to erect an enormous border wall to keep the parastic generational savages in East St. Louis, Il out of LibertyLand.
Nope, sorry. When IL breaks into two states (Chicago and Notchicago), we're also going to re-route the Mississippi River around East St. Louis and give it to you for free. In an effort to save money, the bridges will not be rebuilt.
Aiming low, don't leave behind AL, GA, and the FL Panhandle.
Dear Texas,
A good chunk of your water supply flows through New Mexico. Throw out the idea of walls.
No Fucking way I wanna be stuffed into some fucking looney bin dominated by Los Angeles.
The amalgam of SF and LA is more than enough thank you, barely offset by the rest of the state. Seriously. Them folks in LA and SF are fucking nuts. The LA folks even more so They Worship Both Mammon and Money
Please, Dear Lord. Make them leave my little village just where and how it is, keeping those people away.
Let us breath our own.
Sooo true.
While I'd love to become more autonomous from the rest of California, Draper obviously has no clue of the cultural and geographical boundries inside the state and merely lumped counties together in a way that looks nice. In SLO county whenever someone says how they have to drive down to LA it's usually met with "Ah, damn sorry to hear that." People fucking hate LA here for the most part and a large part of our identity has been renouncing the parasite that is the urban, cookie cutter mega mall infestation that has grown along the entire southen coast. And here it's proposed we toss our chips in with that bunch.
Yeah, but I live in "South California" so there'd actually be a chance to not live in a one-party communist state.
How are you breathing on your own in one-party marxist state?
Not to bugger you, but why the hell do you stay? Based on your comments, I firmly have the impression you are not a typical SoCal type.
For what it's worth I saw the writing on the wall in TX and got the fuck out of dodge.
Just seems logical to pack and move to greener pastures as it were.
Regards,
Cooter
I'm trying, but after 23 years I'm so used to the weather, that's the only damn reason. (if you were directing your comment to me). It's truly a beautiful place.....so sad what it has become.
"Please, Dear Lord." -No worries, for our father hears our cry, the cries of his children who have eyes to see and ears to hear. The prince of this world he allowed to rule, he gave the prince reign over the earth, so that his children could chose between them even if it meant getting less at the time. The Lord clears a path for those children that loved him. It's not good fortune or coincidence, men inherently understand this.
So let me get this straight. You want to carve up one very large state into six smaller states. That's akin to carving up a big turd into six smaller turds. You still have crap in the end. Those six smaller states will still be subservient to the federal government and use the federal reserve system. They will no doubt impose some kind of direct taxation scheme to fund themselves. So how exactly is this going to make a bit of difference in the lives of those that live in specific geographic regions? If those folks really wanted to make a statement they'd secede from the US but of course that would never be permitted because the tyrant Lincoln made such an exercise futile.....and deadly. This is much ado about nothing.
Competition among six governments is better than no competition. You have six chances to elect someone level-headed. Moving is easier. Some people believe in the philosophy of freedom and are willing and able to move based on the political climate of the state.
Your logic is sound but we will then be saddled with 12 Finesteins that proved she doesn't even know the difference between Pepsi Cola and Pensacola. Seriously. This was stated by an airline reservations clerk that said she wanted to go to Pepsi Cola. Where? Florida! Would you possibly be talking about Pensacola? Whatever!!
Dumber than a box of rocks.
Here's the answer. Listen up and take notes,Bitchez.
Amendment # 1- We talk about it. Argue,scream yell. Anything goes. If that doesn't do the trick......
Amendment #2- Break out the artillery, and settle this shit.
These things are in order for a reason.
If only central & eastern Washington state could split from western Washington... if only....
States cannot be modified without a join session of Congress approving and the other states will not approve as this gives Californians 10 extra Senate seats.
US Constitution
Section 31: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within theJurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
I will be the only one to say it, but BREAK UP THE USA.
That's it. Brilliant, huh?
Flash: It Already is Broken
It could be the start of thr best thing to happen to the world this century: a break-up of the USSA.
It's about time governments became smaller and we had more experimentation. Also, it increases the likelihood of an area becoming well-known for libertarian values, and more like-minded people would move there. As it stands right now, libertarians have no place to call their own.
Jefferson
++. http://www.jeffersonstate.com
Except Texas, Oklahoma, Idaho, and the deep South? Attitudes outside of Austin are strongly libertarian.
I almost said librarian.
Oklahoma....you mean occupied North Texas?
I read recently on informationLiberation.com about troopers in Idaho harrasing drivers on the interstate (drug interdiction trying to induce civil forfeiture). I'm sure the attitudes are there, but the laws still remain on the books.
I'm referring to small states totally throwing off the yoke of the feds and not paying them a dime except a token amount for national defense. That's the vision for which I'm looking. Until then, where in the world can you go? Singapore has low taxes but is not very free. Tax havens like Bahamas or BVI have no industry. ...
What do you get when you cross an Oklahoma cowboy and a Mexican prostitute?
We're not sure, but they call 'em Texans.
The US South Libertarian?
More like traditionally conservative. To wit, they are mostly highly religious, aren't Pacifists, and the currently stupidly fashionable wave of Queer Fascism is abhorrent to them.
Some of us are true libertarians, some of us are even registered Libertarians. The South would be more so except for the incessant bombardment of false slogans such as right versus left, liberal versus conservative, and no education at all about Classical Liberal versus this shit pile of commies that have hijacked the English language.
The terms Progressive and Gay bubble up immediately out of my ethanol pickled pea brain.
It's time governments became non-existent.
I said something very similar to this a few weeks ago...we NEED to get smaller, and run from globalization. We aren't psychologically ready to be so united.
And it isn't just libertarians who need a 'place to be'...EVERYONE needs that. All of the different "isms" and ideologies NEED a place where they can retreat to be amongst their own 'kinds', if for nothing more than just having someplace to get away from everyone else.
All of this enforced 'sharing' is just pissing everyone off, and making folks a lot LESS tolerant of each other.
You know, in days past there WERE options...people could always strike out and go to new, unexplored territories. People who were unhappy could always opt for the 'nuclear option' of going Viking...
But there ARE no more new lands to conquer. Everything has been explored, mapped and claimed. Except for the deep sea, and space. But going THERE takes so much training and money it isn't a realistic option for more than a small handful of malcontents...
We are so screwed...what bothers me the most is that I have almost stopped caring.
If you really stopped caring, you would not be bothered..
The second civil war will start for the same reason as the first civil war.
Business owners complaining they can't compete without slave labor.
I was going to say it. I think it needs to happen but then I dread having an EU type body over whatever countries come out.
Give me a break. Any plan that comes out of California will be jerrymandered to include small sections spliced together. It's obvious that half of Barstow should be included in Silicon Valley
.
Barstow. Where the bats come from. Right where the drugs kick in on the way to Las Vegas. Which by the way is not a good city for drugs. (Las Vegas... you need drugs to survive Barstow) It's already too fucked up (Las Vegas, to be fun on drugs). In fact Las Vegas is too fucked up to even be fun.
Very appealing. But I keep coming back to how the Empire's program is to destroy any sovereign entity that can stand up to it by dividing and Balkanizing it.
Perhaps autonomous regions within large strong states would be a better model, where people can exercise self rule on a scale small enough to grasp but within super states strong enough to confront the Banksters and Kleptocrats?
But then, Vermont is doing it just fine.
Mid-size countries in temperate climates, with 10-35 million people are doing best.
Big enough for economies of scale but not too big, compact enough, and no colonial or imperial baggage.
Generally speaking, you want many, many, smaller ingroups that develop voluntarily.
The idea of might makes right from the animal world leads to almost all of our wrongs.
Eureka, Jefferson!
Bring on Cascadia!
http://cascadianow.org/
Cascadia makes a lot of sense.
A nation built on lumberjack shirts and weed.
I like the idea of city-states each with a nuclear weapon and open source software for government.
Elect Jerry Brown for President. He'll get the states to secede.
The really sucky part of this plan is I would still have Brown as governor and Feinstein and Boxer as senators
Aaaaaarrraaaagggghhhh!
Stop reminding me!
Just think, Fred. You bugger up a few more things and when they getcha, they'll malke you orally service them 2 endlessly. Your Karma for the End of Days, today
For some of us dead guys the End of Days is in the rearview mirror.
IL, NY, FL, and a few others need to follow suit. I will enjoy watching TPTB squirm and manuever if this thing actually gets a little momentum (not holding my breath, but it may start really gaining steam in a generation or two).
And with a hat tip to Mike Church, some words of encouragement to the rest of us tax mules out there: "If at first you don't secede, try, try again."
Arizona has talked about splitting up too.Tucson & south/southeast want to go blue, while Phoenix is solidly red. The Rez in the northeast is pretty much its own country already, and so is the weird Mormon sect north of the canyon.
I remember when California was only going to split in two, California in the south, and Jefferson in the north. Damn i'm old.
Jerry Moonbeam Brown in 2016!
Brzezinski approves.
On ward! This is what California needs people. It would decentralize the state legislation. It would allow voter systems online to be setup and other experiments to begin to happen.
I say vote for it see what happens.
Buuuuullllaaauugggggaarrrrraaaggghhhhhhh!
Voting. how quaint. I have a better use for your time. Teach the masses that voting is merely a suggestion box for slaves.
Gold Star analysis!!!
lol, voting. lol, government.
I wish to apolizes to my liberal Palm Springs /Rancho Mirage rant some months back. I did enjoy my stay.
Appears the White House progressive negroes are going to sqwat in your neighborhood. I deeply regret that this house nigger will be living in your community. House prices soon will plumet, sell before he takes possession of new home.
Thanks to all the Rancho Mirage community. Great people explaining the root cause of fucked up wind power electricity increases.
FYI.
California does need to get split up.
Give it to the Russians... be cleaned up in six months- might as well throw in New Jersey to sweeten the deal.
hey.. we can dream.
One problem -- you would create lots of small bureaucratic government units. Look at Rhode Island, the size of San Diego County. But it has 39 cities and towns, with thirty-nine chiefs of police, thirty-nine fire chiefs, etc. Lots of public employee union members. Insanely inefficent, corrupt, and costly for taxpayers.
This could be a great opportunity to re-form and reduce the costs of state government.
Here's what I know: if this was a plan advanced by liberty activists, it would be going nowhere and would have been crushed. That having been said, I no longer believe that political solutions exist. So, I'm kind of trapped between "beware" and " I don't give a fuck."
good point on libertarians ,,,,thats what gets most people confuse and not being able to move to the next step.
i doubt the second part, though even you care or not, is not much you can do anyway.
having said that, remember, what starts in California, doesnt stay in California ... the writing is on the wall ... but as you said is not the libertarians ...
100 % agree with Santa perhaps 3 mightbut sliddding into the ocean would be best!!! I dont think FULL REtard can be fixed. HT
They will never give up the power. Ever! But I love the idea though. North San Diego could use the split from my window.
Get fucking real, new states will still be under the control of the FAILED Federal Government.. We need new countries to truly break free..
Absolutely, this is only a band aid on a severed jugular. It's actually worse because smaller populated states will be run over. Less freedom, more democracy, besides, trust no Ivy League opinion on any damn thing.
Sorry, this author doesn't even have the knowledge that South and Southerner should be capitalized. I don't care about his northern ignorance about the north.
Slavery is an abomination and someone should get that note to a couple of countries in Africa where blacks are still enslaving blacks. Slavery was the equivalent of the War of northern Aggression as the emotionally charged MH17 is today.. Silicon Valley taxes are the equivalent of cotton export taxes during the depression up north. Remember that no income taxes and other forms of theft were rampant in those days by Uncle Sammy the Robber.
How about a natural disaster in the Pacific Ocean. We can create six different diving zones to treasure trove and repay California taxpayer government theft. Can you see how the table quickly shifts, Maxine Waters?
As a 'South California' dweller (approximately in the "I" of the image), not too far from Barstow...I'm for this but have a more radical approach.
We rename ourselves "Freedom", do not join the Union, declare war on Nevada and after our defeat we accept billions of foreign aid from DC.
Sounds reasonable.
I just heard Lurch say they're gonna give those poor, long-suffering, Hamas dudes in Gaza 47 million, so your plan has precident. They're holding out for more though.
Only 2 types of people in this world. Those that have attended a Berkeley city council meeting and those that haven't....
(All due respect to Gov Brown and a comment he once made about Calcutta)
If only the states had more rights.
States do not have rights, they have evil powers just as the DC cesspool. Only individuals have rights that have been legislated away via 3 million laws added together at all levels. But I get your intent, and directionally agree.
Please let all of the fags in Shit Hole Valley form their own state! Guess how much Central California will chage you btchez for food! Mexico can have South California, except La Jolla, I love that beach!
noted.
any other preferences?
for the rest of the country?