'Archduke Ferdinand' Moment? Drums Of War Grow Louder In Ukraine and Middle East

GoldCore's picture

The MH-17 tragedy could mark a pivotal moment in the worst crisis between Russia and the West since the Cold War.

Geopolitical risk is extremely high and yet it is not appreciated by experts and the majority of the public . The same was true in 1914.

With the U.S. seeking to impose tough new sanctions on Russia, we appear to be on the verge of a new and more intense phase of currency wars and indeed of an economic war.

Very few thought that the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand would be a spark that ignited the  brutal war that was World War I and the attendant economic depression. Indeed, as the Financial Times front page from the day after the assassination shows, stock markets were “scarcely affected by the assassination of the heir to the Austrian throne... there's no evidence that stock holders took fright."

Financial Times, 30th June, 1914 via Financial Times

Complacency reigned about the geopolitical risks. Six months later the Dow Jones Industrial Average was 35% lower and World War I was in its first year.

There is always a catalyst in the form of an event in history which people look back on as the start of tremendous global turmoil. Usually, there are significant pre-existing political, military and economic tensions which are the real factors leading to war.

The butterfly can flap its wings and create a hurricance on the other side of the world. A tragic event such as the airline tragedy can be the spark that ignites the conflagration.

The tragic events in Ukraine and in Gaza today are momentous. The fog of war could lead to an incident, such as the tragic airline crash yesterday or an act of terrorism, which could be the spark of a much greater conflict.

There have been many potential butterfly events in recent weeks, any one of which could lead to the hurricane of war.

The problem with war is that no matter how well the plans are made, strange things happen in war and there are many tragic unintended consequences.

Political and financial complacency reigns today as it did in 1914 ...

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Dajd45's picture

Amazing how 300 odd innocent people do not compare to one priveleged Archduke isn't it? Or maybe the powers that be think they are? In reality, I doubt if war is in the offing on the scale of WW1, but localised fractious military action, to keep the services on their toes. And the peasants, sorry populace, those disenfranchised people living in the conflict zone, will be the ones who suffer most. Maybe time to choose sides and move out of harms way. And let them scramble and scratch for their egos, and even less democratic choice. Russia? European Union?? reminds me of the Devil and the deep Blue sea. Or the frying pan and the fire.

Still, maybe we underestimate the stupidity of the governments to make crap decisions...................

Dublinmick's picture

Harry is lying, ........... buy

Dublinmick's picture

"Harry Dent over at Kitco keeps saying that Gold will crash to $700 this year. I'm waiting to buy when that happens."


Harry is lying, he wants you to wait so he can get it all

darkstar7646's picture

Someone else gets it.

The last step, probably, to sides being taken is linking the two events.

The Mason's picture

I'm Hoping Jim Sinclair is correct in his prediction of Gold going to $50,000, i can then afford to pay my ex wife's alimony and still have some left over for food.


dontgoforit's picture

WTF was a civilian airliner doing flying over a 'hot' zone in the first F'ing place?

matrix2012's picture

"WTF was a civilian airliner doing flying over a 'hot' zone in the first F'ing place?"


I believe those in powers, the Cabal accomplices did intentionally open the warring Ukraine air zone for civilian aircrafts (through the regulator body ICAO or whatsoever) for an eventual set up as happened upon MH17. That it's a Malaysian Airlines, it's chosen, far from being accidental.

Even in a country as small as Holland, about 17 mils, with so high the income & education level and are supposed to have many intelligent people above the world's average, still its largest paper are blatantly throwing out the DC & London's official party line accusing the RUS for the blame and pushing for NATO's direct intervention in Ukie...

HOW one should comprehend that such a supposedly competent nation (note: they are not the kind of FSA in the Uncle Scam!) can and will swallow all the shits thrown out by its largest media???

The human-being's largest problems at this very moment: in addition to the Tribe Psychopaths in controls who are thirsty for powers and wealth, there are too many dumbasses who will just swallow whatever the Ministry of Truths (via their giant trumpets: Reuters et al) are telling them.  The presence of internet and easier ways of communication do NOT make the population smarter... in fact the abundance of gadgetry just dumb them even deeper...

We're all much outnumbered...we're just f*ed up.

orangegeek's picture

emptying their gray water tanks

ajax's picture



"WTF was a civilian airliner doing flying over a 'hot' zone in the first F'ing place?"

It wasn't any old civilian airliner - it was a Malaysian Airlines pilot flying the fucking thing. Put that airline out of business please somebody/anybody. Enough of Malaysian Airlines already.

JRobby's picture

Trying to save fuel.

MA is out of business but they don't realize it yet and continue to fly.

ajax's picture



@JRobby  +1000

RaceToTheBottom's picture

We should be checking the pilot's home and confiscating his home grown flight simulator.

joethegorilla's picture

This is the key to this incident. Figure this out and the rest will explain itself. None of this can be understood until we know this.

Hongcha's picture

"Trolls are on every website".

That is, everyone who disagrees with my position is a Troll, a Plant, a Spammer.

Gentlemen, I submit that the time is steadily approaching wherein prudent men will simply turn it all off.  I have enough Jasmine and Sativa and books to supply me through the war.

disabledvet's picture

The Global economy was doing fine going into World War I. That isn't true this time around!

This has World War II written all over it. "Time to take out the trash!"

kurt's picture

The following is a list of Journalists who are not part of a spy agency, NWO, NGO, foreign country, AIPAC, CFR:













daedon's picture

You forgot two, "       " and "     ".

Mitzibitzi's picture

Nah! There's "         ", as well. Y'know, the guy with the funny, slicked down hair and John Lennon glasses.

JRobby's picture

Give a bunch of morons with code names from an action movie an advanced anti-aircraft weapon and see what happens.

WWIII is what happens.

Does Putin have a ranch in Paraguay like the rest of the war criminals?



MoneyThimbles's picture

It's next to Obama's (the ranch with the 36-hole golf course). Obama goes there when he's tired of denouncing Russian human rights abuses, and recuperates by watching dronecams of civilians in sovereign countries being blown up by U.S. pilots sitting in plush chairs thousands of miles away from danger and polishing his Nobel Piss Prize.


daedon's picture

He goes there to recover from teleprompter whiplash .... left teleprompter, right teleprompter, left teleprompter .....

RaceToTheBottom's picture

Maybe Putin and GW are neighbors and loan each other chain saws and Carhartt jackets.  After all, he did look deep into his eyes.

Only problem Putin won't need jackets unless the snow gets 1 meter deep.

ajax's picture



"After all, he did look deep into his eyes."

WRONG. GWB looked into Putin's soul, or so he said.

Mitzibitzi's picture

I love the look on Vlad's face in the second picture... shame it isn't a video segment, cos I bet he let go of Bush's hand the second that shutter clicked!

JRobby's picture

Milleniumreport and whistleblower are the sites you are promoting? What others?

world_debt_slave's picture

world cleansing way overdue

JRobby's picture

So there will be enough food left for the oligarchs?

Thanks for visiting.

surfsup's picture

Too many awakening humans for the "old paradigm" to churn up reactions with the shadow arts as it did in the past as "Nothing fails like success... "

Just make sure to stay clear of the sputtering remains as it drops to the floor...   One can only hope it goes out with a whimper and not a bang.



andrewp111's picture

Gaza doesn't matter. There is a Gaza war every few years. But Ukraine has the potential for explosive miscalculation by major powers.

MoneyThimbles's picture

The miscalculation has already happened. Ukraine is Russia's back yard, and the U.S. meddles there at its peril.


The U.S. is cocky from fighting shitty little wars with people armed with little better than flintlocks. Pick a fight with Russia and it's quite capable of tearing off your head.


optimator's picture

The tangle of alliances the world powers are in are worse than 1914.  

OldPhart's picture

What if we threw a war and nobody came?

Seriously, what if the DC dumbass got us into war with Russia and NATO said, "umm, sorry, we've had enough of this shit AND your money...you're on your own."

SameAsItEverWas's picture

Ever since 2001 AUMF -- still effective and "legal basis" for the Obama-regime murders of U.S. citizens like the 16-year-old born in Boulder, CO and his father born in Las Cruces, NM  -- ... we're ALREADY in Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, Harry Elmer Barnes (1953, Caxton Press).  The father was killed for being a preacher of jihad on youtube etc., and his son was killed for his father being a preacher.  See http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/how-team-obama-justifies-the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/

Maybe you think it's "normal" to have no expectation of privacy if you travel by air ... or do any number of the other things which now give Big Brother the right to harass and intimidate you into service and dumb submission.  But that's because you've been brainwashed and made into a zombie.

Obama signed into law the NDAA for 2012 long before the November election when the clear majority of Amercian sheeple gave their approval at the polls even though stuff like this was all over the internet  http://mic.com/articles/17825/ndaa-actually-gives-obama-the-legal-authority-to-kill-or-detain-romney-without-trial .  See Sections 1021 and 1022 of 2012 NDAA, S. 1867.


Sections 1021, 1022 of the NDAA for FY2012, S. 1867

Subtitle D–Counterterrorism

(a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

(c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:

(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

(d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
(f) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be ‘covered persons’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).

(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-

(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1021 who is determined–

(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1021(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1028.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The President may waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the President submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

(c) Implementation Procedures-

(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.
(2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:

(A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.
(B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.
(C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing interrogation.
(D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other Government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.
(E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.

(d) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect the existing criminal enforcement and national security authorities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or any other domestic law enforcement agency with regard to a covered person, regardless whether such covered person is held in military custody.
(e) Effective Date- This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.

(source: OpenCongress.org)

3rd Pig's picture

MH17 changed course over Lodz air-traffic control air space in Poland, taking a dog leg then straight onto Donetsk – what do they know about the flight path?

andrewp111's picture

I'm sure someone sent MH-17 onto its flight path in hopes of creating an incident. The Russian forces were shooting down Ukraine military planes every day and it is pretty easy to conclude that any plane sent into that zone would get shot down. That someone could be Ukraine, or EU forces, or the CIA.

fleur de lis's picture

Our ruling psychos are really desperate for a war. There must be something wrong with their timetable or schedule of events so they are taking things up several notches. For some reason they will do anything to draw Russia in, but the Ruskies won't take the bait and are holding up the next phase.  I bet there's a nice fat trap ready but they need the Ruskies to walk into it. In the meantime they will continue to abuse whatever they can, and drag us all into another slaughter.

q99x2's picture

Everybody hates Washington D.C. anyhow. MH17 doesn't change anything.

IronShield's picture

What's with the pimping of all these websites? ZH needs to start banishing some of these here folks. ;-)

Other than that, yeah, unlikely that this will go beyond proxy battles. That would be bat $hit crazy. 

SoDamnMad's picture

Trolls are on every web site.  Their posts hit hard and fast in Europe time before the US gets up. Get use to it. 

3rd Pig's picture


Putins Aide, ‘Glazyev’ said last Thursday that if the United States were to impose sanctions on Russia over Ukraine, Moscow might be forced to drop the dollar as a reserve currency and refuse to pay off any loans to U.S. banks.


What would be the implications?


jaap's picture

It is more like a Lucitania moment to me.

Listened this evening to todays no agenda show and heared for the first time some convincing analyses about the shooting. Yes, I now believe a rocket has been shot. It is all related to this document by the German Traffic and Broadcasting department:


Since the beginning of June this has been going on and it makes it possible for fighter jets to spoof military registration indicators on commercial airliners. It also explains the news that started that time that airliners disappeared from radar (remember http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/10898385/13-planes-vanish-from-radars-over-Europe.html )

This part of the analyses starts at 1h and 10 minutes in the show: NoAgendaShow.com

btw, worth listening to the whole thing ofcourse

aleph0's picture

Just in ... exactly as surmised in that Audio Clip from 1 hr. 10 mins - 1 hr. 20 mins. :

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Russian military
The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane“ , the Russian Defense Ministry said.

A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.


Re: Telegrapjh - June article ....
Here's a another reference to the NATO Radar Spoofing (tests?) over Europe posted in Spiegel from 17th. July :

Security problems in air traffic control: NATO maneuvers triggered mysterious radar interference
Thursday, 07.17.2014