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China Blasts "One-Sided Western Rush To Judge Russia" Over MH17

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"The West has successfully put itself in a position to dictate 'political correctness' in international discourse," China exclaims via a Global Times editorial on MH17 on Monday, "those unwilling to work with Western interests will often find themselves in a tough position." China's first public statement that "The Western rush to judge Russia is not based on evidence or logic," comes on the heels of Vladimir Putin's address last night jabbing the West "no one should not have the right to use this tragedy to achieve selfish political objectives." China appears to have crossed the line, siding very clearly with Russia as they conclude, "It is yet another example of the power of Western opinion as a political tool."

 

As Time reports, On July 18, shortly after Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crashed over eastern Ukraine, extinguishing 298 lives, China’s Xinhua state news agency cautioned against making snap judgments...

The one-sided accusation is not surprising in light of their long-time stance on the crisis in eastern Ukraine, and their attitude towards Russia’s absorption of Crimea in March. But without convincing evidence, jumping to a conclusion will only heighten regional tension and is not conducive to finding out the truth.

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin late Thursday said it is Ukraine that bears the responsibility as the tragedy occurred over its territory. The tragedy, Putin said, could have been avoided should Ukraine’s eastern regions be in peace.

On July 21, the People’s Daily, the Chinese Communist Party’s mouthpiece, ran a piece still cautioning that “no proof has been found so far to clarify the cause or identify the perpetrator.”

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The same day, the Global Times, a Chinese Communist Party–linked daily that can be counted on for nationalist commentary, did at least mention such a possibility — if only to decry Western governments’ speculation that Russia may have aided and abetted the rebels’ cause:

The Western rush to judge Russia is not based on evidence or logic. Russia had no motive to bring down MH17; doing so would only narrow its political and moral space to operate in the Ukrainian crisis.

 

The tragedy has no political benefit for Ukrainian rebel forces, either. Russia has been back-footed, forced into a passive stance by Western reaction. It is yet another example of the power of Western opinion as a political tool.

China may soon have to reconcile this foreign-policy quandary. “It will bring about a severe challenge to China’s general strategy and diplomacy if America and Europe propose sanctions against Russia and demand China should join with them,” wrote Chinese security analyst Gao Feng in a widely disseminated blog post. “For China, the issue is which side it should choose. Without doubt, an ambiguous stance [by Beijing] will face criticism and moral pressure.”

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Criticism of the West is escalating more broadly however...

“The West has successfully put itself in a position to dictate ‘political correctness’ in international discourse,” said the Global Times editorial on MH17 on Monday. “Those unwilling to work with Western interests will often find themselves in a tough position.”

 

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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:09 | 4982964 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Obama should go back to Chicago!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:13 | 4982974 Arius
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Obama is here to stay by the voice of we the people!

On china, do not rush to judge China based on the writing of a journalist ... China ia 1.3 billion people country the opinion of a journalist certainly doesnt represent the People's republic.

and i know plenty of you will disagree, so may I ask, why the foreign ministry did not make that statement, if that was the case?

sorry for bringing trouble to your dreamz....

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:19 | 4982996 medium giraffe
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"Chinese Communist Party’s mouthpiece"

So this will be the view of the party, without the party coming out and saying this directly themselves, I would have thought.  The art of fighting without fighting.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:33 | 4983060 Pool Shark
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Hate to say it, but the "Chinese Mouthpiece" may be right:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/07/video-of-rebel-buk-launchers-headed.html

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:06 | 4983193 douglas
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Normally ¨Business Insider¨ is just another source of MSM propaganda and disinformation, but this just released article (right on the Yahoo! front page) offers a new perspective I have not seen elsewhere - not sure what to make of it...

http://www.businessinsider.com/source-malaysia-flight-mh17-was-being-esc...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:00 | 4984168 Otto Zitte
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Maybe someone is justifiably nervous about another 9/11 event. Or worse, a nuclear one. Didn't the "plane" enter DC airspace with proper transponder codes? Isn't there a 777 missing?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:34 | 4983061 CH1
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Commies speaking the truth... what the world has come to.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:06 | 4985901 WhackoWarner
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Yeah. Commies? WTF?

Jump on the bandwagon, you already know the lingo.

No real Communist system has ever existed. Was frigged up by Soviets/Mao....no such thing. Never existed on the planet. Ever.

Same name-labelling from me? Well let's talk about USA "Exceptionalism" and "Freedom"

Shite get a brain.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 04:15 | 4986971 SF beatnik
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The ferners have come to look truthy, now that the US authorities are all lying sacks of shit.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:21 | 4983009 Bill of Rights
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You don't speak for me asshole

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:32 | 4983055 john39
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less than 70 million people allegedly voted for obamao in 2012, out of a total voting age population in the U.S. of over 240 million people....    its a real stretch to claim he speaks "for the people". 

http://elections.gmu.edu/Turnout_2012G.html

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:12 | 4985920 WhackoWarner
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Give it up on this Obama liar. Who the fuck cares?

Obama will be replaced by the next Mattel puppet or Disney authorized toy.  I am reminded of "Chatty Cathy"  the doll that had a string in the neck which when pulled said "When do I tee off".  Bush did the same.

You folks down South of me killed the only real hope you had 50 years ago.  And we up here are doing no better with Harper fool.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:16 | 4982983 yogibear
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Barry wants to turn the rest of the country into Chicago. Hollywood loves Obama.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 04:18 | 4986977 SF beatnik
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Gee, I thought Bsrry wanted to turn the rest of the country into Tijuana. 

Well, what the fuck do I know?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:19 | 4983615 caconhma
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So far, Putin's Russia is a total failure. It is timid, indecisive, and being incapable of making any meaningful move. Putin is in no position to make any move since for all his years in power (like the former Ukrainian president Yanuckovich) he did not developed a strong political and security apparatus to support him. As I said it before, Putin is a gangster, a thief, and a coward. The present geopolitical game is too big for him.

As for China, it can clearly see the end of Putin's Russia and will position itself for a decisive move to get a piece of a pie called Russia.

As for the USA, it was very successful in destroying Iraq and Ukraine as well as putting Russia against a wall.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:28 | 4983679 DoChenRollingBearing
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Siberia and the Russian Far East will be there for a patient China.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:17 | 4985941 WhackoWarner
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Mr. Bearing.  I beg to differ. Slightly.  I choose to maybe think there may be hope in BRICS.  Not another thing 50 years down the pipe. I understand your doubt and comment, I do,  I still and naiive enough to hope for better.

Like peace.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:45 | 4983762 pot_and_kettle
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dude, add /sarc quickly before you are disregarded as a buffoon.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:40 | 4984383 caconhma
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pot_and_kettle,

you are not only blind but you also are very stupid. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 04:20 | 4986982 SF beatnik
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Yeah, Ukraine.  Big U.S. success story.

Are you out of your fucking mind?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:11 | 4982967 lakecity55
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Bear and Dragon vs. Fruitfly.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:18 | 4982982 Ghordius
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nice image, but your Fruitfly is a big scary insect. with thirteeen "nuculear" supercarriers, and over 800 military bases encircling both Bear and Dragon

"political correctness" from Dragon? lol. you wish. the real, oldfashioned PC in war would be that Bear stops using unmarked, unbadged "green men" and Fruitfly stops using unmarked mercenaries

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:20 | 4983001 lakecity55
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Damn.

Awright, Vlad and Xi vs. Fruit Loop.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:47 | 4983114 Berspankme
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Just fruit is sufficient Lake.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:50 | 4984132 RafterManFMJ
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nice image, but your Fruitfly is a big scary insect. with thirteeen "nuculear" supercarriers, and over 800 military bases encircling both Bear and Dragon

Holy Cow did you just jump the shark!

List for us the number of carrier battle groups Iraq or Afghanistan had?
How about Vietnam?

I hope you're either trolling or drunk - or both.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:54 | 4986061 Razor_Edge
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Carriers are just big floating targets;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5xiW__xZyA

There are two types of Naval vessels; submarines and targets! Surface vessels are easy meat to hypersonic missiles fired at stand off ranges.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:21 | 4983263 Kirk2NCC1701
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Fruitfully?  I was thinking Jackal.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:12 | 4982970 NoDebt
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Don't know what the truth of MH17 is, but I know this is further proof we have successfully driven Russia and China together.  One says something, the other swears to it.

Good job, Bathouse Barry.  You finally succeeded in uniting somthing:  our competitors against us.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:22 | 4983014 Bossman1967
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all his goals for the fundamental transforming in to his fathers dream of a wussified America whose kids have been brain washed. I never thought I would sit here and wish this would just be over so we can rebuild

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:23 | 4983016 kridkrid
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That course has been set for a long time, no? Anything short of peacefully relinquishing the status of the World's Reserve Currency was going to transition through a phase of Russian/Chinese unity. Events are speeding up... lots happening on Obama's watch... but it all would be happening regardless of who's in office.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:38 | 4983076 NoDebt
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The "rapid acceleration" of events you are seeing is due to Obama.  With an even moderately competent administration in the WH the transition would still be happening, but it would be proceeding apace.  They know he's incompetent (which is the nicest thing I can say about him) and they know they have to move fast to take advantage of that.  Two years ain't that long in geo-politics.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:52 | 4983130 kridkrid
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We can agree to disagree. Don't hear me wrong... this is no defense of Obama. But there are no real plays to be made. Every move being made is really just an attempt to prop up the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency... and that's a losing hand. Debt based money with interest attached has a limited shelf-life. Things are speeding up because of MATH. If it weren't for math, we'd be set.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:34 | 4983340 NidStyles
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Economics is about perception, not math. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:59 | 4983475 Urban Redneck
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Whereas Banking is about math, irrespective of stupid theories or laws.

(do I really need to point out the d.e. is intentional)

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:34 | 4983699 NidStyles
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Banking is about legalities not math. If it were about Math then the economy wouldn't be so screwed, and Corzine would be in prison.

 

You guys need to quit believing in fairy tails.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:04 | 4984176 Urban Redneck
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You apparently managed to miss the double entendre. Law is irrelevant, except to the extent it can be utilized to manipulate the spread.

It's not rocket science, it's spread arithmetic, same as it has been for thousands of years. When you can print the benjamins- it's all about the bips.

BTW - the fairytale is (most likely) that any us will live to see a better, much less honest, system.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:01 | 4983852 kridkrid
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The monetary system is about math. Debt issued money with interest attached at creation is very much about math. eCONomics is the cover used to hide the very simple math that lies at the core of our predicament. This is absolutely about math... the exponential function, to be exact.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:22 | 4985959 WhackoWarner
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Economics is like Home Ec.  OR Shop Class in the 60's.   Only difference is that Home Ec. taught how to bake a cake and Shop gave some skill that worked somewhere. Economics?  I get nothing valuable here.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:26 | 4983026 deja
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Not saying Bloviator in Chief Barry didn't push hard in that direction, but it was nevertheless inevitable.  The proverbial big, bad wolf is about to blow down the west's financial houses of cards and both Russa and China know where their bread is buttered. 

It's all about the money.  I'd love to see what would happen if Hong Kong tried to vote itself free a la Crimea. Heh.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:12 | 4982971 Dr. Engali
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It looks like things are setting up nicely for the war with EastAsia. Give that man another peace prize.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:13 | 4982972 alien-IQ
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This video just posted on youtube. I suspect it will be taken down quickly.

Israeli sniper killing wounded civilian

Published on Jul 21, 2014 20/7/14: International and Palestinian volunteers accompanied Civil Defense and other rescue crews, as well as family members, into Shujaya, in an attempt to locate survivors of overnight and ongoing shelling by the Israeli army. A young Palestinian man, in a green t-shirt, who hoped to reach his family's home, was shot by an Israeli soldier while crossing an alley between buildings. Two additional rounds struck him as he lay injured on the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBakqLUBWP0

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:25 | 4983027 kowalli
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Fucking USA, EU, Israel scums...

btw i download it and wiil send to my friends... ALL world need to know it.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:31 | 4983048 alien-IQ
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I downloaded it also in case it gets removed.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 04:25 | 4986986 SF beatnik
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1:24 a.m., PDT, gone from youtube.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:28 | 4983040 blabam
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Looks fake... 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:30 | 4983044 alien-IQ
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maybe you're just so used to seeing fake (movies) that you can't recognize the real thing when it's staring you right in the face?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:32 | 4983052 blabam
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Seen plenty of real ones from Syria... This doesn't look real. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:34 | 4983062 alien-IQ
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if you say so....

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:37 | 4983077 kridkrid
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I considered that for a moment.... then decided that I don't give a fuck. The rubble is real.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:13 | 4982975 SheepDog-One
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We still must be in the 'lots of words' phase of this event.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:14 | 4982978 SoDamnMad
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OK OK China gave the separatists the tanks, Grads, Strela and Igla SAMs, ammo and stuff and trained the BUK crews.  So China needs sanctions. No food, no feed for animals, no oiland no gas. How does that suit ya?  You can have the South China sea but we will stop the tankers far far away from the SCS.  

One more thing. Europe and USSA doesn't want any more container ships of your crap.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:30 | 4983045 Winston Churchill
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And they no longer need your dollars or UST's.

As the dbtor the US can only lose in a tit for tat.

Just as well you can eat fiat.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:00 | 4983164 Brit_Abroad
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So Damn Mad...as in angry or just plain bonkers ?

Take a reality check please

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:15 | 4982981 Pumpkin
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Apparently, these dumb ass Chinamen do not comprehend exackery how a false flag works.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:17 | 4982989 buzzsaw99
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hey china, go fuck your mother.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:35 | 4983066 Infinite QE
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Israel is the mother of this form of China, so I agree.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:18 | 4982992 Winston Churchill
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As i thought yesterday, this BS smear campaign is going to blowback and

accellerate  the anti US alliance.

The hubris is DC is blinding them to reality.

I hope the Russians and Chinese are at their defcon 2 right now, before some

maniacal neocon decides a first strike is winnable.

You had better believe its under active consideration.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:35 | 4983065 kridkrid
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Indeed. Every move has an air of desperation. The US is in collapse, but those who still yet benefit from the status quo will violently defend it. Only there is no moral justification to do so, so they try to concoct moral justification. This has been happening for decades, but they've managed to stay one step ahead of the truth. Things are speeding up. Something big is on the horizon and our response will be remarkably rapid. The first and second drafts of Obama's Pearl Harbor speech have already been written and rehersed.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:16 | 4983241 MassDecep
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Unless they nullify the alt media, the have an issue. It seems it is getting harder and harder to tell the lies when important truth points leaks out.

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:29 | 4984031 WhyWait
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My comment above was prompted by MassDecep's comment. Thanks,

The effect of the endless barrage of lies is hard to resist even when you know it's all bald-faced lies.  A big part of the effect is the hopelessness of thinking this is all most people are hearing and of course they're all going to believe it. 

And if the lies are plausible it's hard not to get sucked in, like the story that the Rebels didn't mean to do it but now they're covering up.

Yes, the "rebels" are indeed being bombed from high altitude by the Ukies, and of course they would shoot back if they could, and no they would have no way to tell a bomber from an airliner at 33,000 feet. It's still evidently a lie, but it has to be considered, so it does its damage.

One reason to hope:  the blitz of lies didn't work with Syria's supposed poison gas attacks.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:39 | 4985982 WhackoWarner
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Well that is what this secret TTP???? deal is all about.  Make corporations immune to law worldwide and erase privacy and internet discourse everywhere.  This treaty being negotiated behind all the secret walls is dismantling rights and empowering the few.

Will take whatever is left of freedoms.  Will dismantle domestic law regarding environment. Take a peek.  Maybe this is what we are being distracted from?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:48 | 4983778 Luckhasit
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Do you believe said hubris is enough that they acutally believe that America can take on the Far East alone?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:34 | 4984621 Winston Churchill
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Yes unfortunately.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:41 | 4986013 WhackoWarner
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Nope. And many reasons why.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:19 | 4982994 surfsup
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They should applaud it as nothing can possibly awaken the people faster than childlike propaganda!   

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:26 | 4983005 yogibear
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Was anyone thinking that China had the interest of the US in mind?

China was created to turn multi-millionaires into billionaires. Not to help the average American. When millions of jobs were lost as well as technology it was all done to reduce costs and boost profits.

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:21 | 4983006 ThisIsBob
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If you believe that a spoon can be bent by the mind, and you go to a spoon bending demonstration, you will see it happen.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:18 | 4983964 WhyWait
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My ex step-daughter could bend spoons with her mind.  We were expected to not notice when she stepped into the next room for a moment.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:23 | 4983015 johny2
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neutrality is only allowed to Switzerland.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:27 | 4983037 Notsobadwlad
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Have you ever asked the question why?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:08 | 4984511 daveO
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Gold!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:28 | 4983036 Kina
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You can bet Obama has been desperately going down on Merkle on this....US desperately need Germany to side with the US position on this and not some reasonable evidence based position

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:54 | 4983135 agNau
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Putin quietly passing data to Merkel. It is being passed along from there.
Strike two USA, with no one on base. This, like Syria, will slowly fade after some blustering from the TelePrompTer.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:31 | 4983053 Latitude25
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Condemning Russia is not "Western opinion".  It is political hacks and the prostitute media and nothing more trying to influence public opinion.  Only ignorant people in the West believe this crap.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:05 | 4983189 MassDecep
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Which is 95% of the west.....= ignorant, just like they want them to be.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:22 | 4983629 layman_please
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Thank God we have democracy!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:30 | 4984604 bid the soldier...
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Or so we think.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:02 | 4984492 daveO
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The faster they jump on a crisis, the more likely it is rigged. Here's a favorite, where the BBC reports WTC7 collapse 20 minutes early.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:33 | 4983057 Notsobadwlad
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Given that the Ukrainian government was in control of the MH17 flight path and apparently intentionally sent the plane over a (no fly) war zone it is hard to fully blame Russia or the ousted government supporters (who are now called rebels).

So, there are only two possible conclusions:

1. The Western backed Ukraine government that deposed the legitimate Ukraine government intentionally sent the plane over a war zone hoping that it would get shot down.

2. The Western backed Ukraine government intentionally sent the plane over the war zone and then ensured that it would get shot down.

There do not seem to be any other possibilities from the available evidence.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:50 | 4983124 Ides of November
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100% right.  But don't hold your breathe waiting for any of the *useful idiot* journalists to ask any questions like this when they're acting like the trained monkeys they are reading their talking points off the teleprompter.  

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:37 | 4983074 orangegeek
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sure China, tiananmen square never happened either

 

fuck off communists

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:54 | 4983137 Winston Churchill
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Kent State anyone.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:07 | 4983201 Dr. Engali
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Sadly many of those protesters are now staunch supporters of  Barry the war monger. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:51 | 4986048 WhackoWarner
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You are showing your brainwashing. It is on parade here.  I suggest ery humbly that you open a good book that explores political systems and the philosophy that guides their beliefs.

Much like religions they are abused.  I suspect you also blanket all Islam into some box of judgement. Well take a peek at how you make your belief/judgement synapses operate,

Fuck off Communists?  Watching Fox or CNN?  Read up on any intelligent analysis of your? current democratic???? system?  Ever looked past your TV set and gone to that place called a library.

Had an independent moment of curiosity to seek some understanding lately?  Or just hanging about with reformed opinions that you have willingly implanted into yourself?

Kinda like what Fox and CNN are doing right now....implanting.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:43 | 4983096 viator
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The world is crazy about European and American cultural Marxism. And everyone is head over heels in love with Cold War 2.0

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:45 | 4983110 q99x2
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Nobody has killed as many US personel as Washington D.C.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:47 | 4983115 yogibear
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Rather than being objective the liberal media is getting behaind Obama and beating the war drums.

Looks like the starting of another global conflict. The new version of the Lusitania. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:14 | 4983912 AdvancingTime
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Many people don't realize that as of July 2, 2013 a taboo came silently to an end with the implementation of a new law passed in January. For decades a so-called anti-propaganda law prevented the U.S. government's mammoth broadcasting arm from delivering programming to American audiences.

The new law unleashes thousands of hours per week of government-funded radio and TV programs for domestic U.S. consumption. This was criticized by many human rights activist as a green light for U.S. domestic propaganda efforts and in my opinion it is already being felt. More on this subject in the article below. 

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/when-propaganda-and-surveillance....

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:53 | 4986056 WhackoWarner
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Nope.  WE all stop it right now.  By communicating before it all gets cut off. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:47 | 4983117 yogibear
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China will join Russia.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:48 | 4983119 Tjeff1
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All words.....

China & Russia need to respond with action.  How about selling all their US paper next month.  That would be a response.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:58 | 4984474 daveO
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Sold to...Belgium.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:59 | 4983157 roadhazard
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China = lol

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:13 | 4984241 mijev
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China = ROR

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:08 | 4983202 highwaytoserfdom
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PROPAGANDA

TRUTH

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:14 | 4983227 loregnum
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Hopefully China stands by Russia (assuming Russia has zero responsibility for this) and tells the U.S to go fuck itself. 

Let's just get WW3 started already. Too much dancing around the inevitable. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:22 | 4983268 DerAdler
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The people in charge of the West today -- the ones who have declared war on Putin now that he finished the purge that Stalin began so long ago -- are not Westerners.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:22 | 4983269 potato
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China needs to stay out of this. Everyone but ukraine and russia need to stay out of this.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:57 | 4984467 daveO
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Maybe, they smell the same rat we do?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:27 | 4984589 bid the soldier...
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What about Malaysia, its airline, and the black boxes?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:23 | 4983271 Pundit
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Unlike the Western MSM which so far has not managed to present any facts

to support its anti-russian hysteria. Russia comes out with some interesting facts. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPop2oSw6Xo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:43 | 4984102 matrix2012
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Too bad, there is no English subtitles or any info in English to accompany the video, Russia needs to release more info in English to the rest of the world to defy the Cabal news centers and the warring aliance!!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:25 | 4983285 Itchy and Scratchy
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Looks like the ex-commies ain't too impressed with the new neo-commies!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:37 | 4983353 general ambivalent
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Well, demonisation for over a year, retarded desperation to get in a fight, and now a seeming false flag. How low will they go to get World War III started?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:56 | 4984431 daveO
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Another Pearl Harbor, at least. My money would be on a dirty bomb in Manhattan. BHO and Cheney have parroted the same lines about one.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:10 | 4986117 WhackoWarner
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This has to be debunked first.  Another defeat.  Pearl Harbour?  Yes they, I think, will try a biggie. This one was not big enough.   But next one: plan it carefully. Falsify everything without the simple assumption that everyone is a idiot.    Maybe this next time they will (cause they love planes) It will be a load of Haitian orphans being rescued? Or find the kidnapped girls in Africa?  Or have a planeload of endangered species?  Or be transporting rescued whales/dolphins away from Japanese restaurants? Or the last indigenous tribe out of EXXON claimed Amazon drilling territory. Maybe they can restore Bin Laden to life (he was frozen)...perhaps save Antarctic krill or penguins.

I guantantee it will be heart-wrenching. After all they will lose this crap with leading Aids Researchers. False Flag is way to indulgent.  This is far worse and telling of desperation than that.  Malaysia convicted in absentia. Wish my country  (let alone the USA that pretends to defend) had the balls to do that.

It will come. Only we can stop it by our conversations freely exchanged.  This whole thing is falling apart for the real perps.   But that will not deter. Death throws.  Next one?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:41 | 4983747 Canucklehead
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It's called world opinion for a reason... shared values.

The push-pull strategy calling for Russia and China to pull together will push the non-aligned into the old First World circle of influence.  Russia and China are simply bringing back the old Second World sphere of influence.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:58 | 4983831 yrbmegr
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So Putin recognizes Ukranian sovereignty in eastern Ukraine and urges Ukraine to bring peace to the region.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:12 | 4986133 WhackoWarner
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Yes so?  Paying attention? Good.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:05 | 4983873 AdvancingTime
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This is not something that governments should be using to advance their agendas. The area where the Malaysian passenger jet MH17 fell in Ukraine is a crash site not a crime site! Painting it as a crime site does not make it so.

Whether shot down by accident or intentionally, most of the evidence on how and why this occurred will most likely come from sources other than where the flight went down. I for one feel total disgust and seriously distressed that this tragedy has become nothing more than a propaganda gem. More on this topic in the article below.

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/ukraine-crash-propaganda-gem.html

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:12 | 4983922 WhyWait
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Coverage of the MH-17 incident - and Putin's statements, the statements by the Donetsk resistance leaders, the People's Daily statement and the latest Kremlin briefing, all well covered by ZH, provide an opportunity to vet your favorite news sources.

THe questions I am asking:

1.  Is site reporting on what they are saying, just or mainly reporting the MSM and USGovt side, inciting war fever or dodging the issue?

2.  Is site is putting the story in the larger geo-political context?

  a.  Who is putting this in the context of a Ukraine civil war with adequate characterization of the two sides , or who parrots the MSM blather about Russian power grabs and lies?

  b.  in the context of a global US and NATO move for world dominance with Russia playing defense?

  c.  in the context of the crisis of the US Dollar and the Fed?

Let me start the list.  Four "left" sites that played a part in my reawakening, in the late Baby Bush years (none btw ever drum beaters for Obama):

Truthout.org:  Article "US Empire Reaches Breaking Point - Time To End It" gives good context, excellent section on Ukraine, framing it and highlights of issues.  But no coverage specifically of Ukraine, MH-17 crash. No one relying on this site would guess this is an important crisis, lowers site grade to B-

Truthdig.org:   Story about the bodies.  A link to ABC story citing Boradin, Donetsk leader, raises coverage from F+ to D-  "Untrustworthy, Compromised"

Alternet.org:    Wishy washy 'he said she said' story headlined "Americans among passengers ...".  D- "Untrustworthy, Compromised"

CommonDreams.org:  After a long silence, no in depth coverage but an excellent by Robert Parry of Consortium News which however falls short of 2c.  Comments by Ray McGovern on Thursday putting crisis in context of NATO expansion and Saturday comparing to past US propaganda blitzes including the KAL shootdown - a real contribution.  No recognition that this is an important crisis downgrades this site to a B-

I don't know anyone, or even know anyone who knows anyone, at Alternet, so I can only speculate as to why they've dodged this story.  Truth-dig is the baby of Walter Schirer, ex NPR, hence possibly CIA connected.

btw I'd give Globalresearch.ca an A.

I could go on with my list, mostly a list of disappointments, but will stop here, would rather hear from you. How are your favorite sites, past and present, doing?  How would you rate them?  Perhaps we can use coverage of this crisis to build a map of who is to be trusted in the global crisis.

 

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:58 | 4984163 matrix2012
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Thanks WhyWait for sharing your dig-out.

In addition to the GlobalResearch, have you tried following:

- Pepe Escobar | The Roving Eye on the Asia Times Online - www.atimes.com

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:21 | 4985081 WhyWait
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Good one!

Another site that gets it right is AntiWar.com, which draws on a broad spectrum of sources but edits from a libertarian position. A little weak on global chess analysis, but totally uncompromised as far as I can see.  If ZH is an A, I'd have to give it an A-.  But I want to give it an A so am bumping ZH up to A+.

Ron Paul's comment, just posted on ZH, went up on AntiWar.com just now as well.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:19 | 4986154 WhackoWarner
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btw I'd give Globalresearch.ca an A.

 

Has always been very good.  I have them bookmarked forever.  They have always, always had great reporting and yes opinion.

Deserve your A.  I was suing this gov. thing (still am)  and talked to a "journalist" here in Canada. Mentioned that I read Globalresearch.  He wrote me off ( and did not even send a courtesy roll of tin foil)..anyway years ago.  And I read their views all the time.

Many, many fine minds happening there for years.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:09 | 4984217 walküre
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Go ahead, sanction China already. The US is becoming more and more isolated by the minute.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:41 | 4984572 exartizo
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Honestly.

It's so sad for me to see this once great country brought down into the depths of depravity.

The United States of America was once hailed as a great even handed, level headed, impartial, fair and truthful country in its dealings with the rest of the world.

Most United States citizens in my generation saw the government as a beneficent entity with the best interests of all the people in mind.

We were relatively united as a nation of Americans then.

Sadly, we have deviated so far from that to become unrecognizable as the honest and forthright nation we once were.

Today the rest of the world sees us as warmongerers, liars, murderers, who will go to any lengths to cover up the truth to protect our own interests.

Spying on other nations, and even our own citizens, ruthlessly has discredited us while exporting our economic problems by inflating our currency has maintained our bloated standard of living at the expense of the peoples of the rest of the world who have less and see us as the reason.

I don't like the idea of seeing Putin and China as the antithesis to that. But, for many people today, that is exactly what has happened.

Somehow the Russians and the Chinese have become "the good guys".

That's what we once were.

It's just wrong.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:48 | 4986265 WhackoWarner
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Nope.  it is not wrong.  Like "they" say:  If you do not use it, You lose it.

So sad.  But a country with citizen voting power allowed this.

You allowed

All corporations to be considered to be people.  There you go.

Unlimited contributions to poltical campaigns by above.

Monopolies in media.

From some of the above....dismantle all financially prudent law that protected any actual wage-earner.

YOU allowed the murder of JFK

You allowed your political system to descend into Party and Party B (which like any "communist system" is no vote at all)  when both are controlled by the above  (corporations are "people")

You actively allow your monopoly media to promote apartheid.

You privatize the incarceration and incarcerate more "minorities" than anywhere on the planet ( except maybe N. Korea)

You actively reduce educational funding. And edit history to suit propoganda.

You bully every nation at will. 

WHY?  Yankee frigging dollar,  And yet as a nation you have allowed your government to devalue all purchasing power...approaching nil.

You have aided and abetted all legislation that has allowed your Supreme Court to be taken over by unconstitutional prima donnas.

You have dismantled your justice system to the point that it is likely 3 or 4 teired depending on wealth and bribery.

You have glorified greed to a scale that even the idiots in the Roman Empire or the Mafia have never dared.

A huge percentage of your undereducated population is actively being denied ability to vote let alone to speak.  (  I ax you why?  This is the education in the US?  Most people in Europe speak more than one language and at least speak their own language somewhat well..  I ax you?  This is USA)

You condone the lobbyists that have determined that health care needs to be less but cost 2 or 3 or 4 times of anywhere else.

You boast of having the best health care in the world.  AND THAT IS A LIE. But the captive media does not wish to touch this

 

You have had at least 2 puppet Presidents in a row.  (4 terms).  Might as well have elected?some cute puppies.  And nobody ever aske/changes/protests due to the fact you have billion dollar reps all being lobbied and corporations that are "people".

Then we got your real nice folks. Military and spies and bankers.

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:26 | 4984573 exartizo
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Honestly.

It's so sad for me to see this once great country brought down into the depths of depravity.

The United States of America was once hailed as a great even handed, level headed, impartial, fair and truthful country in its dealings with the rest of the world.

Most United States citizens in my generation saw the government as a beneficent entity with the best interests of all the people in mind.

We were relatively united as a nation of Americans then.

Sadly, we have deviated so far from that to become unrecognizable as the honest and forthright nation we once were.

Today the rest of the world sees us as warmongerers, liars, murderers, who will go to any lengths to cover up the truth to protect our own interests.

Spying on other nations ruthlessly has discredited us while exporting our economic problems by inflating our currency has maintained our bloated standard of living at the expense of the peoples of the rest of the world who have less and see us as the reason.

I don't like the idea of seeing Putin and China as the antithesis to that. But, for many people today, that is exactly what has happened.

Somehow the Russians and the Chinese have become "the good guys".

That's what we once were.

It's just wrong.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:02 | 4984758 cn13
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Great, now we have pissed off both Russia and China, two countries that actually have to ability to inflict pain on the U.S.

I feel comforted knowing we have an ex-community organizer from South Side Chicago in charge versus an ex-KGB agent, judo black belt, bear fighting, chess master who leads Russia. 

What could possibly go wrong?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:55 | 4985611 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Listen up, USA!

China is right about the overarching control over the discourse. Friday and Saturday are perfect examples of US ARMY PSYOPS controlling the entire God damned feed on Internet in North America. Everyone on Z/H is aware

of the shutdown Friday and into Saturday. As soon as Israel started bombing Gaza the plane was blown out of the air for deflection purposes

and it worked. Instead of everyone discussing the Gaza bombings we are all focused on the downing of the plane over Ukraine. The Ops were to control the rollout of the propaganda and the impression management the USA wanted promulgated. Reditt now has an option to filter out the dominating stories on Israel/Gaza discourse and the Ukraine discourse because the US ARMY PSYOPS are flooding the bandwidth with propaganda aimed at their opposition in Russia. China is correct to point this abuse out to the world and I'm buying their argument. American hegemony extends to Internet discourse now and

that means the USA ARMY PSYOPS are essentially 'at war' with everyone on Internet. Does the USA administration actually think it

can control the discourse throughout the entire world and all that is on Internet? Please tell me the USA is not all on drugs and divorced from reality?

Grow the fuck up, USA.

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