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Key Piece of Video “Evidence” for Russian Responsibility for Malaysian Plane Shootdown Debunked

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Mish is a highly-respected financial blogger.   His Global Economic Analysis site routinely wins awards such as:

One of Mish’s trademarks is to speak with knowledgeable people in various subject areas, and report on what they said.

Today, Mish debunked one of the main pieces of video “evidence” claimed by the mainstream media to prove that Russia was behind the shootdown of the Malaysian plane over Ukraine:

Jacob Dreizin, a US citizen who speaks Russian and reads Ukrainian provided this update three hours ago.

Hello Mish,

 

On Friday, the Daily Mail, one of the major UK tabloids carried photos and video of what was alleged to be a rebel “Buk” launcher heading back to Russia.  The article carried a claim from some Ukrainian source that the launcher was missing several missiles after having shot them at the Malaysian 777.  The article was prominently linked to the Drudge Report, and so was probably viewed by several million people.

 

Today, this meme made it into Uncle Sam’s official narrative, as per the following New York Times excerpt:

 

On the CBS program “Face the Nation,” Mr. Kerry referred to a video that the Ukrainians have made public showing an SA-11 unit heading back to Russia after the downing of the plane with “a missing missile or so.”

 

The video referenced by the New York Times was, in fact, posted on the Facebook account of the Ukrainian Interior Minister. The allegation was that the launcher was crossing the border with Russia.

 

However, going by the billboard and other features of the scenery, Russian bloggers and news sources claim to have identified the road in the video as having been taken in or near the town of Krasnoarmeisk (“Krasnoarmiysk” in Ukrainian), which has been under Kiev’s control since May.

 

In fact, the billboard is supposedly advertising a Krasnoarmeisk car dealership.  Also, one of the structures in the background is said to be a construction materials store on Gorkii Street, Krasnoarmeisk.

 

Please note that this town is (very roughly) 120 kilometers from the Russian border and 80 kilometers from where the Malaysian 777 went down.  And again, it has been under Kiev’s control since May.

 

At least one other clip of the “Russian Buk” that has been made available also suggests that the Ukrainians are showing their own equipment. I’m still working on researching that one for you.

 

Jacob

Video in Question

 

It is beyond incredibly sloppy for Ukraine to release such a video with a clear billboard of something in Ukraine-held territory, purportedly showing a Buk missile launcher headed back to Russia.

 

And we are supposed to believe Kiev? Kerry?

 

Please be serious. If you are really interested in the truth, you do not resort to such easily disproved and sloppy bullsheet.

This is – of course, not the first piece of video “evidence” trumpeted by the MSM which has been debunked.

 

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Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:04 | 4989029 johnmack
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Might i add that Putin is not as smart as people would give him credit for. If you know how the western powers worked wouldnt you have called their hand before they played it and state they may try something like this, so they either dont do it or when they do it you can tell everyone "see i told you so".

Another thing i find rather disheartening is that Putin underestimated the eagerness of the west to destroy Russia as such Russia had to rely on america and europe for chips and operating systems and other technical equipment which are critical to Russia. Common sense would tell you, time to start making shit at home and insulate yourselves. But Russia has not done of this, it has left itself vulnerable.

Russia also never played the international humanitarian game, of winning the hearts and minds(votes) of people around the world, it never sent a ship or sent aid to africa or some poor ass country, even just for PR purposes. As such people dont see Russia in a good light. And while i know some of you will say, Russia doesnt care what other people thinK abuot it. It shouldnt but it also should know that PR is also a tool of warfare and propaganda.

Finally, Russia lost when it could not forsee that Ukraine would have moved to the west, and ensuring that most candidates would even in opposition back russian interests,  there by losing their precious buffer zone. They got complacent. The rule of games is never underestimate your rival, they have been underestimating the west, thinking them to be slipping and decaying and are paying a high price.

Finally i dont get China's on-the-fence attitude, it should must know that if russia goes that they are next. so it should do everything to help prop up Russia and support Russian interests. *I play chess too*

 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:31 | 4988045 medium giraffe
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Saw this yesterday (re. billboard in Ukraine territory), thanks to one of our ZH brethren who posted a link to a blog that said as much.  Glad this story is getting out there.  Expose these lying bastards!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:19 | 4987976 Plato's Law
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Did anyone hear scum bag of the decade Cokie Roberts on NPR Morning Edition (AKA Pro-LGBT Propaganda Network) yesterday?  At the end of her report this shite for brains MSM pro-war propagandist said that professional scientific polls show that Americans will not support a war of any kind now, and are sick of war.  Followed by Cokie saying, "...and that's bad for Obama." 

I kid you not.  This war mongering whore from hell told the world that it's too bad for Obama that Americans don't want war. 

Forget Lenin's quote, "The first think we do is kill all the lawyers."  The first thing we do is kill every single scum sucking MSM news reporter. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:40 | 4987507 americanspirit
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It's the little details that will catch a liar every time.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:23 | 4987449 lakecity55
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I think it is safe to conclude the running dog puppets, Kerry and the gay president, have been ordered to start a war or lose their jobs.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 07:18 | 4987104 MaxThrust
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As the post from Ron Pauls website stated, there is no hard evidence either way at this time and due to the level of Propaganda it will be hard to convice the world once a full investigation is completed.

 

What is required is the Tape recordings form Kiev ATC and Kiev Radar also both the Flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder from MH 17. All these items would need to be examined by an impartial group of investigators from all countries concerned, that includes those whose nationals died on MH 17

 

Its about time we had some truth for a change.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 06:53 | 4987079 nathan1234
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IMHO the BUK Missile is a red herring anyway.

It was an air to air missile from the Ukranian fighter that was responsible.

The whole thing appears preplanned and the deviation taken by the MH17 flight was controlled by the CIA arm in Kiev. We are all aware about MH370 remote control

The rebels possessed no aircraft. The BUK missile was the only way it could be attributed to the Rebels/Russia.

This was an attempt to start a War

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:53 | 4987566 Thought Processor
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Very possible.  An air to air missile would have much less risk of being detected and less risk for anything going wrong.  Also would have had the same effect with very little evidence leftover to prove it was air to air.  

Any surface to air missle would have been, without any doubt, tracked on multiple radars and likely by military satalites that are now positioned over the Ukraine.  Why no evidence of this has come out yet is telling, kind of like the dog that did not bark.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 06:52 | 4987075 WTFUD
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A man of low calibre PM Arseniy Yatsenuyk. A fucking weasel. I yearn to see those eyes water then bulge as the noose tightens.
No fucker is PAID to beat the WAR DRUMS more than this puny four eyed insignificant little prick whom you could knock over with a feather.

Very useful BANKSTER TOOL for the moment but somewhere down the line like chocolate man PPP he will be tried for WAR CRIMES with the SHITHEADS in the USSA unable to save his neck trying to save their own.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 06:43 | 4987066 Truly Inspiration
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Satellite images of the place where the video was shoot in Krasnoarmiysk. The proof of another lie.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-inM-IsLFgvI/U81F5wxlN0I/AAAAAAAAYLA/9h9R02ZQeqA/s1600/MH17Plakat1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zzH7Ntjbw3M/U81F_-trBjI/AAAAAAAAYLI/wiMJo5Lg3A...

The explanation is in German but you will be smart enough to find out yourself the truth of this pictures.

 

 

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 02:40 | 4986898 jack stephan
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A far of cousin of mine is tilghman, I know once I say that out loud I'm dead. Well at least I put in a decent show, I bump heads with them and they bump me back. I saw a girl shooter say "dangerous liberty" and I got tingly in the basket area. After that all else doesn't count.

America with a bloodied eye is still better than 196 countries, at least were pure. My fuckin neighbor has a yellow funny car after that you suck guy accept it. We kill always have. Earth talks shot but in all honesty would never have a dump fest vs me or anyone where I live

Suck it communist, you know I'm right, ill never change now what

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiVzLdhz20Y&sns=em

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 12:10 | 4988297 slightlyskeptical
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Now back to our regular programming

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 01:59 | 4986847 surfsup
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvjHBCubGZY&list=UURGIwParDeoovmhflq9Agmg

 

I was the only pilot to file a federal lawsuit regarding the BHUAP [ Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot ] and I believe I am the only airline pilot called to Malaysia to explain MH370 to both MAS [ the airline ] and elements of their government. Emirates CEO Tim Clark is clouding the issue by seeking a 'summit' to determine where it is safe to fly. Answer? No where. Until the BHUAP is either removed from the jets or explained to the pilots, expect more. August 25 is not far off and we 'guessed' correctly on July 17th. Before you listen to MSM scripted drivel, see youTubes entitled: Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot and Attention Tim Clark. I have filed 3 federal lawsuits with the most recent being CIVIL CASE 1:08-1600 (RMC) which was dismissed when ALPA [ airline pilots association ] perpetrated a FRAUD UPON THE COURT of Judge Rosemary M. Collyer.

 Field McConnell
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Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:59 | 4987593 Thought Processor
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Thanks surf.  Would love to have been a fly on the wall during the conversations with Malaysia Air.  I would imagine that they were educational for all.

 

Peace.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 23:40 | 4986588 Reaper
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Doubt can become contagious.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:35 | 4988099 Plato's Law
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10-15 years ago I was a Neo-Con Republican Fox News junkie. 

You could not pay me to hook up cable now, and few things in the world do I want more than Bush et all arrested for treason, convicted, and given his just reward. 

Then a similar fate for Bill O'Reilly and all the rest of the MSM traitors.  Convict them all of being Enemies of the State, then given the same punishment they espouse for such criminals.   

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 23:00 | 4986510 TabakLover
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GW, this video may be true.....but who cares?  The MSM is in full propaganda mode tonight.  It's scary.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 22:59 | 4986508 DerAdler
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Full video: September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M

This came out in 2013 and is the best 9/11 documentary by far. There are a couple of things left out such as the thermite found in the dust around the city and the memorial services, but all in all at 4 1/2 hours it's pretty comprehensive. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 22:52 | 4986495 jacship
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bOY, That Ukrainian Interior Minister, ( A.A.),  has had a busy 24 hrs, after mh 17 crashed in ukrain, he knew where, who, how, why, and even found the missing AA  missile truck ( whoops ). WOW, ( AA ) Some would call this a self inflicted selfie.

 

 

 

Thanks GW & ZH ---   you made my day

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 22:18 | 4986387 tony bonn
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veterans today reported that a ukrainian su-25 fighter jet was following the mh17 up to moments before it fell from the sky. either an onboard bomb or a missile from su-25 shot it down. that stupid buk launcher would have trouble taking out a penguin from an ice floe let alone a boeing.

also, the ziocon murderers who pull the ukrainian puppet strings may have been trying to murder putin, whose plane was flying close to the mh17. the ziocon murderers are looking for a commemorative centennial war.

fuck the bush crime syndicate, rockefeller nazis, and satan worshipping rothschilds.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:38 | 4986009 kchrisc
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Anything coming out of the New York Times is CIA and Ashkenazi propaganda.

The NYT must be read between the lines.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:37 | 4986007 Smiddywesson
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George Washington, you never fail to impress.  You know, I used to heckle you.  I just couldn't keep it up because you always turned out to be right in the end.  

"A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home."

 

Please print this out and show it to your wife.  No doubt, she does not appreciate your special talents, wives never do.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:37 | 4986006 Smiddywesson
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George Washington, you never fail to impress.  You know, I used to heckle you.  I just couldn't keep it up because you always turned out to be right in the end.  

"A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home."

 

Please print this out and show it to your wife.  No doubt, she does not appreciate your special talents, wives never do.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:54 | 4985605 jonjon831983
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One of the problems of seeing foreign news translated into your own - you have no idea if editors are taking liberties with the translation.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:48 | 4986269 QEternity
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Ich bin ein Berliner

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:36 | 4985547 Restyle11
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Analysis of what evidence there is is all fine and dandy and prudent but the context of the event already undermines the worth of most of it. See, only a freaking idiot would think it was "an accident by the rebels", or Putin's evil plan to take more power for Russia/himself or any such idea that might originate in the region. So that is all the sheople then. But why? Because the event must have been arranged outside the region. The sheople believe because of Stockholm Syndrome. Go look it up and then think real hard about who it might apply to... if you ever had parents or a coercive government then look in the mirror.

How do we know it was not a local affair? WTF? Seriously?! Doesn't anybody think it is a bit improbable that 2 Malaysian 777s would be taken down in less than 6 months without a connection? Implausible that the 2nd (primed for in the massmind) event would be by accident right over the world's current most critical and hyped warzone? C'mon! What are people, coincidence theorists?

No, they just don't think. It is the burning stupid that comes from deep fear and lifelong conditioning.

What should be both obvious and crucially significant but clearly is not to most supposedly interested commentators is the ridiculous in-your-face numerology of the event. Just Google MH17 and numerology. Flight 17, a 777, on the 17th of the 7th month of 2014 is just the most blatant synch of 17s and 7s. Then see, it died exactly 17 years after it's maiden flight! On the 17th of the 7th month of 1997! Some intelligence is making this happen. It renders speculative crap ideas regarding a Putin plane being "the real target" as most unlikely. That that intelligence may well by linked with the Oligarchy we call the Elite (the Western establishment globalist scum) should be bloody obvious for many reasons, not least of which are the convenience of this atrocity for the spinmeisters (and inconvenience for the rebels or Putin) and the ridiculously bizarre speech cum numerology lecture, all about 7s and 2014, given just before this event by no less a Illuminati luminary as Christine Lagarde, chief of the robber baron uber-bureaucracy of the IMF.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:49 | 4985399 AdvancingTime
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Whether shot down by accident or intentionally, most of the evidence on how and why this occurred will most likely come from sources other than where the flight went down. I for one feel total disgust and seriously distressed that this tragedy has become nothing more than a propaganda gem for Obama.

When it comes out that much of what the American people have been told is wrong another distraction will pull our eyes off of flight MH17. More on this topic in the article below.

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/ukraine-crash-propaganda-gem.html

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:58 | 4985206 Zero Govt
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well done GW 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 07:05 | 4987091 mendigo
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As usual.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:34 | 4985354 failsafe
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Ditto

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:47 | 4985161 Milestones
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It is becomming increasingly apperant that this president and most of the people around him are out and out nitwits.

WHEN IS SOMEONE IN THE HOUSE GOING TO HAVE THE BALLS TO START IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS AGAINST BOTH o'bLAH BLAH AND OUR OTHER STEP N FETCHIT IN THE JUSTICE??? DEPT.??

We are way past the expiration date on this slime bag administration.               Milestones

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 07:02 | 4987087 nathan1234
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Who is going to impeach the Bum?

The Congress & Senate have been bought and paid for

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:25 | 4985089 alexcojones
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Brit Tabloids could not survive without endless Celeb T & A.

Falak's "Pink" slime comparison is "Spot On" as the Brits say.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:17 | 4985053 Fix It Again Timmy
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Mr. Kerry is sporting a rather fetching ass-transplant and he got it free under Obamacare!...I think he looks maavvvvvalous...

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:56 | 4984958 lasvegaspersona
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If this turns out to be another 'poison gas in Syria'  event and the USA is shown to be a perp (or backing the perp) it will be an event that should end a presidency. It seemed way too soon to have all the answers in the hours following the crash. I don't trust the words of anyone in this mess. Hard proof will be a must. So far it is only the West making accusations however. Putin has not spoken a word that he would have to retract. The West has a lot of evidence to present to make their point.

One would hope for a more tempered responce from the West. It has the appearance of provocation.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:04 | 4985223 kurt
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We should also remember the flush faced usual liars from the national media. I hope there is a web archive of the scum. When we expunge the politicians, we should use the newscasters, editors, and executives to tune up the guillotines. They should be executed in public, first. I seriously think these freaks try to out do each other in the study of convincing lies. They seem to be sexually stimulated. Just watch them. The old has been, generals look like purple grapes ready to pop. Scum one and all.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:20 | 4985070 shovelhead
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Repeat after me...

"Magic Negros will never be impeached because dats rayciss."

Apply as necessary.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:51 | 4984937 therevolutionwas
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There has been article after article all over mainstream internet advising us that it is obvious that "Russia did it."   People in  the media and in the gov't. are in unanimous agreement.  Jed Babbin over at The American Spectator says there is no need for an investigation now;  Our intellegence service satellites have all the information we need, the rest of the investigation will prove nothing. ( Sure looks like someone wants to start a war.  I mean, besides the economic one we already have going. )

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 02:04 | 4986852 conscious being
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I just talked to my Dad.  Fox Spews 24/7.

I said "Hey, another Malaysian Airliner went down."

He said "Russia did it."

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:36 | 4984872 falak pema
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Daily Mail is what rag media is to industrial pink slime food; since the demise of Murdoch's News of the World,  the Daily is in a world "of its own". 

Cameron.... where r u ?

The Daily is your pint of UK slime, populist milk (even tho it purports to be Labour). 

So were Tony Blair and Brown, thats saying something about post Thatcher UK political clowns. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:51 | 4984944 londoncalling
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as i brit i would disagree that the daily mail purports to be labour

it's generally considered the typical "right wing" populist newspaper and about as anti-labour as is possible

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:49 | 4985395 robobbob
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if DM is "right wing" then the UK is completely gone

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:58 | 4984963 falak pema
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well thank u for that update; mine may be dated to the age when Thatcher was still in her prime ! 

In those days  of 1980, there were Daily Mail and the Sun... I may have confused the two. (And the Daily Express).

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:57 | 4985413 smacker
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In Britain, the Daily Mail, Daily Express and The Sun are all labelled as being on the Right by the political commentators and often by themselves.

But in truth they are nowhere near that side of politics. They are best described as being rabid Statist newspapers who are permanently angry that the ever growing Big Government we have is not exactly the model of their liking. The Daly Mirror is just a same old same old supporter of the Labour Party version of Big Government.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:31 | 4984856 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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What?!? According to the trolls and spooks last night, the case was closed and "obviously" the Russians.

Never believe proven liars and you're always look like a genius.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:06 | 4984779 Sandmann
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Daily Mail = Daily Liar

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!