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Malaysian Airlines In Hot Water Again, This Time For Flying Above War-Torn Syria

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Fool me once, shame on you; fly civilians over a war-zone twice, shame on Malaysian Airlines. In what is perhaps the most incredulous news of today (aside from Kerry's belief that he will make a difference in Gaza) is, as BNO reports, a Malaysia Airlines passenger plane flying from Kuala Lumpur to London flew over Syria on Sunday... The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and other organizations have warned airlines for more than a year to avoid the entire country. “Information from the International Civil Aviation Organization and open source reports of surface-to-air missile firings,” the FAA said in a notice last year, describing the risk to civilian flights as “significant.”


Source: FlightRadar24


Via BNO,

The log details published by flight tracking website Flightradar24 showed the flight path of Malaysia Airlines flight MH4, an Airbus A380 which departed Kuala Lumpur on early Sunday. The log showed the aircraft flying over Syria, which is in the midst of a raging civil war, from about 1:20 p.m. local time, flying close to the city of Homs.


Reports about Flight MH4 flying over Syria garnered the responses of thousands of people on the social networking website Twitter, where the vast majority described the airline’s route as irresponsible. It appeared Flight MH4 was routed over Syria after airspace over eastern Ukraine was closed following the shootdown of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 last week.


No airspace restrictions are in place over much of Syria, but the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and other organizations have warned airlines for more than a year to avoid the entire country. “Information from the International Civil Aviation Organization and open source reports of surface-to-air missile firings,” the FAA said in a notice last year, describing the risk to civilian flights as “significant.”


There are some local flights going over to Iraq and Lebanon and Jordan, but they are not big airlines or transcontinental flights,” said Flightradar24 co-founder Mikael Robertsson.


“So Malaysia Airlines was the first flight I’ve seen going over there for like a year... I know that Iraqi Airways and Syria Air are flying over Syria sometimes. No big airlines.”

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Of course, avoiding the world's ever-increasing warring nations is not
easy - perhaps it is time to consider trans-polar travel...

But with oil prices so high...

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On the bright side...


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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:27 | 4985517 Sudden Debt
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Yeah, but the plane ticket was 5 euro's cheaper than those other airliners!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:29 | 4985523 Bioscale
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It's cheaper because you need to buy drinking water on board. The fuel is included.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:29 | 4985525 Sudden Debt
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Why would you want to buy fuel on board?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:35 | 4985538 knukles
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To fill the empty water bottle you already paid for and set it alight with the complimentary matches.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:34 | 4985542 quintago
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Austerity at work

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:36 | 4985549 john39
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this sounds like a PR move to take the focus for the decision to have the plane fly over Donesk away from Ukraine gov and  Victoria Noodleman & Co., and hang it on the airline...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:46 | 4985578 jaap
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Also interesting: it seems they have been changing the data in Flightaware

see here for the discussions:

and here for the original data


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:03 | 4985633 Elvis the Pelvis
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Malaysians seem to be the Polish of Asia.  What a bunch of tards.  Bitchez.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:24 | 4985668 ACP
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Makes me wonder, where are all the how many Malaysians does it take to fly a plane?

I guess it's just fallen off the radar...


Did you hear about the new Malaysian smart phone? The only problem is it crashes every time you put it on "airplane mode".


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:10 | 4985911 TeethVillage88s
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Don't Believe in Coincidences?

Big Coincidences with the Downing of Dutch Flight on Malaysian Airlines.


1) Two in a row Air Tragedies for Malaysia, Perhaps Superpower wants to send message to Malaysia to subvert to complete control, perhaps some other power is coercing Malaysia
2) Europe was missing from the spirit for Iraq war, how to involve them in the next US Phase of Domination, maybe a conflict in Europe
3) Nederland is a NATO and US Partner, how to amplify that relationship, and how to amplify certain secret agreements or NATO agreements with the Dutch to engage in Georgia or Ukraine or Romania or Bulgaria or other former USSR country
4) Control is through agriculture, commodities or Oil & Gas, so where is the power, can we pull power back from Russia or China or other big players

Lebensraum for Corporations.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:14 | 4986140 COSMOS
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The Malay are being cheap, nobody forces them to fly over those countries.  These morons are just as guilty of the planes going down as the people who shot the planes down.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 05:20 | 4987014 Seb
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Romania and Bulgaria were part of the Eastern Block / Warsaw Pact, but they were never in the USSR (only a part of Romania was in USSR, part which was then called Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic, now Republic of Moldova).

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:05 | 4985637 BigJim
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Maybe the management have bought a few yards of puts and hope to make a killing.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:48 | 4985822 TeethVillage88s
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jaap I will have to check your links later.

My conclusion is that Corporations are working for Lebensraum.


jaap posted this link above. It offers a fresh perspective.

"This part of the analyses starts at 1h and 10 minutes in the show:

btw, worth listening to the whole thing of course"

My take the Malaysian Jet shoot down was possibly from the Corporate Play Book for "LebensRaum" with many parts played by the US Warmongers like Hillery, Peter King, John McCain.

US Corporate Lebensraum for Oil & Gas Expansion, but Royal Dutch Shell has a lot in the Game. And of course the Royals themselves.

Interesting that UK, France, USA, Russian knew the war script would include commercial jet shoot down and so kept their airlines out of the war-zone or corridor.

I actually didn't finish the MP3, so he probably has different conclusions later on.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:05 | 4985636 sunnydays
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No, it sounds as if the U.S. told them to fly over Syria so the plane can be shot down and the U.S. can blame Assad and finally have the war they want with Syria.   Malaysia obviously is a patsy to the desires of war by other countries

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:36 | 4985998 NoPension
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They're playing Russian Roulette, with jets.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 04:49 | 4986998 Jaspergers
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@John39 - Exactly! That was my first thought too, make them look like a wreckless airline to divert attention from the fact that their path doesn't make sense.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:50 | 4985832 Stoploss
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Look!  They saved a ton in fuel compared to MH 17!  Clearly, that is the shortest flight path to Maylasia!

Oh fuck!!  But, but wait! They said MH 17 took that route to save fuel!

So??? Which one is it!?!??

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:09 | 4985910 max2205
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No biggie, it was insured.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:03 | 4986094 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Lloyds of London revoked insurance coverage after 1st plane disappeared!!!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:12 | 4986130 Matt
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It depends on the winds and which way you are going, there isn't one flight path that will always be more efficient. 

They had to avoid Ukraine airspace, so they took the next most efficient route, over Syria. Next flight over Gaza maybe? 

Maybe no one translates world news into Malay? Always the last ones to find out.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:30 | 4985528 Winston Churchill
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Are you flying them when you come over the pond SD ?

Belgians have a ,similar  repution to Scotsmen, to keep up.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:31 | 4985530 disabledvet
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I was thinkin that too actually. "Nice time to book a flight." No good deals yet though.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:27 | 4985737 neidermeyer
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How much do you think they have those jets insured for?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:29 | 4985527 observer007
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Ukraine shot down MH17


latest News MH17 - Ukraine

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:32 | 4985534 reader2010
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Why don't they shoot down South Korean or Chinese commerical jets instead?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:42 | 4985545 o.t.p.s
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because they dont need the insurance money

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:32 | 4985536 I Write Code
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We are flying to Kuala Lumpur, insha-Allah.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:32 | 4985537 kowalli
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So USA blackmail Malaysia Airlines with "flew over Syria"

i'm afraid next false flag will be nuclear plant

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:34 | 4985543 blindman
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so malaysian airlines is a cia operation?
that is a good one, either that or the
worst run organisation in the history of
aviation, or both. oh, where can i buy me a ticket
from them to "fly the friendly skies"?
or was it "who knows where the hell you might
end up".

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:37 | 4985551 logicalman
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Does Malaysian Airways fly over the cuckoo's nest anymore?.

Pretty sure they have done in the past.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:39 | 4985555 alexcojones
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Change their names to WTF airlines.


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:40 | 4985560 docmac324
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They are done-ski.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:41 | 4985565 i_call_you_my_base
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Investigators are also looking into the giant bullseye painted on the bottom.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:43 | 4985572 Irishcyclist
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Malaysian Airlines are going to be sued to oblivion for MH17.



Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:25 | 4985728 Winston Churchill
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Hypersonic anti airline writs are probably being cast as we speak.

You may not be able to fix stupid, but you sure as hell can sue about it,

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:53 | 4985577 Kirk2NCC1701
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Before you fly/board: Stop flying on Malaysian Airline flights with a path over conflict zones.  QED.

Maybe the US wants people to stop flying Malaysian Airlines altogether.

p.s. At this rate, passengers will want a written verification from the airlines that its Passenger List or Cargo Manifest does not include anyone or anything that would make it an obvious target for hijacking or attack by foreign powers.  This includes:  a large group of SMEs (Subject Matter Experts) in medicine, engineering or technology, diamonds or gold, or cutting edge technology machines or parts (for IC and electronic chips). 

You'd think that companies and orgs would have figured out by now to never fly large groups of key people on the same plane, nor to let high-value items be placed on a civilian airline cargo.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:57 | 4985615 Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, at least they've learned not to use the unlucky Boeing planes, and are using Airbus instead.

Makes it harder for the EnEsAy or CYA-duh to commandeer it electronically.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:51 | 4985599 docmac324
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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:53 | 4985604 QQQBall
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MSM is being steered.. Next on Drudge - Malaysian Airlines overcharges for in flight water bottles. LOL

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:54 | 4985609 jomama
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but they have the cheapest flights!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:58 | 4985617 One And Only
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Malaysian Airlines is obviously working with the CIA. Seriously...this is beyond absurd.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:07 | 4985652 GooseShtepping Moron
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Take away their pilots' licenses and cane their asses. Malaysia clearly lacks the competence to operate a commercial air fleet.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:37 | 4985768 onelight
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Bizarre thought: what if the Malaysia Airlines pilots have some kind of Russian Roulette game going on with their flight tours, flying risky diversions over war zones (including the one that disappeared...will this be 3 for 3?)...with the other pilots and ground control all yelling over the intercom, "Mau! Mau! Mau! like in the The Deerhunter film...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:43 | 4985798 nmewn
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Another bizarre thought, Russians really don't like many as 100 AID's researchers were on this plane, thats a third of the casualties.

I'm gonna go ahead and run with this one, cuz, what the hell...conspiracy theories are kewl ;-)

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:17 | 4985691 One eyed man
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Maybe someone should start a hedge fund to invest in life insurance policies on passengers of Malaysian Airlines.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:30 | 4985744 Winston Churchill
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Call it Satanical Settlements.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:42 | 4986017 NoPension
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Would that be long term or short term capital gains? ( so the tax can be properly structured, of course)

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:21 | 4985709 Bunga Bunga
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Just for your safety, Kerry made pictures of that.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:22 | 4985717 ItsDanger
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Looks like the flight plan over Ukraine would save fuel.  Am I wrong here? 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:59 | 4985755 blindman
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saved a bit of fuel which com-busted all at once
and destroyed the vessel and all passengers and crew,
and now many are attempting to make political and
future financial gain of it. many dead but who,
would you think, are the more dead(zombies)?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:23 | 4985724 directaction
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Those idiots. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:46 | 4985729 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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That flight plan most likely was approved by Eurocontrol also on purpose....

Question why the distraction here. Maybe something to do with multibillion dollar family victim lawsuits that are most likely to follow later on. Also the next question not answered here is what altitude was the plane flying at over Syria? If it was high enough it would have been a safe flyover if it was out of range of SAM missiles.



Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:27 | 4985736 Who was that ma...
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Can we somehow arrange for Obama, Biden, Kerry, Feinstein, the Hildebeast and a few other misfits to enjoy a wonderful, all expense paid vacation in Kuala Lumpur?  I, for one, would be delighted to chip in on first class tickets on Malaysian Airlines, worlds safest airline. Bon Voyage!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:36 | 4985766 nmewn
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I'm in!

Of course, I'm still trying to figure out why a bunch of AID's researchers were on their way to the tropical paradise of Maylasia and on who's dime ;-)

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:29 | 4985741 nmewn
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Black Hole Air!

"Leave Your Worries At Home Because You'll Never Make It Back"

(Too soon?)

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:37 | 4985772 neuronius
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na, if Jason Biggs can tweet:

"Anyone wanna buy my Malaysian Airlines frequent flier miles?"

You're allowed to post something equally witty.

Humor and Taste are not necessarily related.

Keep on truckin!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:47 | 4985818 nmewn
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Ya really gotta wonder about the pilots they have in this company. I know I am.

What, were they all trained in Naples Fla by the CIA?

(Hat tip to my nutter

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:47 | 4986036 MsCreant
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Hey nmewn,

The Truthers/nutters might be winning me over. I watched part of something posted by a commenter on ZH yesterday The New Pearl Harbor. I am not done with it, but they have really reasonable questions that they ask that do not have reasonable, ready answers to them.

A lot like this shit we are watching unfold now, I fear.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 22:17 | 4986181 nmewn
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The problem I have always had with them is they will not shut the nutters up, they let them run wild. Free speech is all fine & dandy but it defeats the long goal of what they claim to want, the truth.

I've stopped even looking at their stuff because of this.

The last straw for me was them finding oxide's in the dust of just destroyed buildings AS PROOF OF nanothermite. Just imagine, finding rust & paint pigments (iron & aluminum) as proof of a pre-planned demolition, I swear to God I can't talk to people like that, let alone have the jets fly directly to the floors where the collapse started, which some said was a hologram...the jets.

Its like...WTF!?

This is after Chindit & I destroyed the air to ground communications fallacy, that it doesn't work (it does), some sort of voice recognition software that allows people who were not supposed to be on the flights would recognize (its impossible to program for what you do not know), Mossad suicide pilots (no, really, they let them speak even as they said no hijacking occured), and a big ass gash in the back of WT7 they never want to talk about (because no plane hit it...or sumpin).

No, I'm done chasin that rabbit.

Now, could blinding bureaucratic incompetence or some neo-liberal/con not stop these fuckers from doing it for their own reasons?


But the airliners were hijacked by Wahhabis, who are (or were), Sunni.


And I'll add one more thing that I said years ago on a GW thread and I got junked mercilessly for it by them (lol) will NEVER happen again...because now...everyone knows they are ALL going to die. The "procedure" before was, just cooperate (kinda like the old rape advice), they just want cash, they just want "a brother" freed from jail etc.

Now, no more sheeples on planes, the hijackers will be grease spots in the center aisle or everyone dies anyways...there is nothing to lose now once it starts.

How many have been hijacked? ;-)

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:29 | 4985742 Fix It Again Timmy
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What's their next move?  Painting bulls-eyes on the planes and the words "Hit Me" on one wing and "Stupid is as Stupid Does" on the other?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:38 | 4985774 blindman
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apologies but if that airline sells another
ticket it is one too many.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:41 | 4985793 mattgallis
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damn it, my popcorn isn't ready.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:42 | 4985795 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Speaking of that Spanish air traffic controller. Looks the Russians are busted on this one.

Here he is doing an interview back in May on RT.

This a bad translation but it proves the point.

Express what one thinks about the crisis in Ukraine can even lead to an alien to be forced to flee for their lives Kiev. It is the case of a Spanish air traffic controller who was threatened by supporters of the Maidan.
Carlos, who spoke with RT on the condition of anonymity, has received threats despite not defending any interest. "I have my opinion and my view of a normal person, with a separate work [unrelated] or media, or any political party, nor to any association."

    I do not understand that a person has their point of view and is threatened

Had threatened to kill him, to send him to "do not know what battalion" and out of the country. "They asked me whether my death, because it gave a point of view very different from yours," he said.

    A medium as @ La_SER can contrast different opinions, but give voice to person q @ hora25 in its Block calls my death is regrettable 1 /
- ? Carlos. (@ Spainbuca) May 4, 2014

The driver, who had 5 years working in Ukraine, said that one day he received a visit from the security services a European embassy, ??they told him he had to get his family out of the country within 24 hours. "So I did and got my wife and my daughter," he said.
"I have not done anything wrong. I was born in a free country and I have lived all my life in democracy and do not understand that a person has their point of view and is threatened," he said.

Regarding the situation faced by Ukrainians, Carlos says he sees "impossible" for "the west and east again to live together in peace." "People have too much hate, at least in Kiev," he says, adding, "They do not want to end the conflict, because they have nothing else to do."

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 08:54 | 4987331 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Just to add to the confirmation for paranoia the NSA GCHQ are playing with timestamps types.*/


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:45 | 4985812 q99x2
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This is my conspiracy theory. The NSA has gathered serious criminal evidence that would get the prime minister of malaysia ousted, i.e., the CIA is blackmailing Rajib Razak to do their dirty work. Dutch and Chinese hits so far and 1 jet still at large.

Why would I think that Washington D.C. would do something like this? Because they are Washington D.C. That's what Washington D.C. does to people everywhere.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:52 | 4985836 Otto Zitte
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What kind of insurance does Malaysian Airholes have? Pays out 32:1 for "acts of war"? Spin the wheel, Atropos!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:56 | 4985856 Rob Jones
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Malaysian Airlines motto should be "Do you feel lucky?"

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:57 | 4985860 RaceToTheBottom
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OK, I don't care what they say about getting dehydrated, I am drinking my entire next international flight.


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:00 | 4985866 Aquarius
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As far as I am aware all airlines contract their flight planning to a company(s) offering commercial services in the USA.

Neither the pilots nor these companies do their own flight planning.

If this were so, imagine the chaos.

MAS is being /has been set up (again).

Ho hum

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:03 | 4985872 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Apparently it is not only the Malaysians here flying over Syria.

Russia's Interfax News Agency reported the threat around 22:00 in Moscow (14:00 EDT).

The crew of the Airbus A330 spotted a "threat to safety" and took evasive maneuvers to avoid two ground-to-air missiles, an informed source told Interfax (via Russia Today). The missiles reportedly exploded in the air near the plane.


The reports conflict with the known capabilities of rebel groups in Syria, according to Syrian arms expert Eliot Higgins:


RT is now retracting their confirmed report to instead indicate that the plane maneuvered to evade "signs of war" from the ground below:


Don't think the Russians will be so forth coming about Flight MH17 if they can negotiate a deal behind closed doors.


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:38 | 4986010 MsCreant
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This was a little over a year ago it looks like. Not that it is not relevant, but that should be something one is aware of if they are evaluating this.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:58 | 4986073 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Yes and no stamps are hidden here to try to show otherwise. The secondary point was it wasn't Syria or any of the rebels that shot at that plane unless one of those groups cough *ISIS* cough was already in posession of military hardware they shouldn't have had in the first place.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:02 | 4985882 SmittyinLA
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When you have a blank check from the import export bank who cares where you fly?



Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:05 | 4985889 Aquarius
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As another thought:

MAS is one of the better airlines in the World along with Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines.

And far superior in every way to the crap services of the USA, England, Europe and Australia.

It's okay, I have only flown a few million miles on all these airlines over the years. The last I would board even after some cannibal airline in africa would be a US carrier. Anybody that flies on an International US carrier has to be a masochist.

Ho hum

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:36 | 4986221 ramacers
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the wholly owned CIA subsidiary Malaysia Airlines will go where it is told.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:37 | 4986226 SgtShaftoe
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They're flying over it now to feint incompetence - staged. The CIA seems to have some amazingly crazy dirt on someone at Malaysian Airlines. I won't be flying them... ever.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 06:53 | 4987078 conscious being
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Malaysia won't do FACTA. Malaysia is a prosperous, democratic, ethnicly diverse Muslim country.  Malaysia just hosted some UN court that had the balls to condem israel [over Cast Lead?]. That's three bullseyes on them right there.

Four ... They have no beef with China. 


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:41 | 4986243 Joebloinvestor
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They don't give a shit and it shows.

They are BK anyway so forget suing them.

I would imagine any victims are gonna be compensated by an international pool of funds, probably via another airline fee.

Funded insanity.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 23:50 | 4986619 SgtShaftoe
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They do give a shit or possibly it's a scrubbed mission. They couldn't have 2 Malaysian flights go down in 3 days, so it's likely a feint. They care, but not about us; they care only how the people perceive them.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 01:31 | 4986815 Sandmann
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When ISIS gets those BUK launchers the Syrians have.......

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 06:44 | 4987065 conscious being
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No problem if they stay away from the Turkish border and the Jordanian border.  They're buds.  As long as it was not something like a surprise, the SAA would not fire on them.

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