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MH17 Will Usher In A Completely New Kind Of War - One The US Cannot Win
Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,
Russians aren’t exactly known for having a great sense of humor. But the language is full of bizarre, often hilarious expressions like “perebrasyvanie kakashkami”.
Literally translated this means “throwing shit”. And it applies right about now—when a bunch of people is standing around blaming one another for something that has gone heinously wrong.
“Heinously wrong” is somewhat of an understatement.
The MH17 disaster is so bad that it’s made people forget about the roving army of fanatics that has taken over half of Iraq and parts of Syria in their quest to build a global caliphate.
This is much bigger. And there’s so much pent up tension between rising powers right now, there’s serious risk of it turning into a much greater conflict.
It seems ironic that the world was in a similar situation exactly a hundred years ago.
After the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo, Austria-Hungary issued a series of ultimatums to the Kingdom of Serbia, and ultimately declared war on July 28, 1914.
Tensions in Europe and around the world were at boiling point. The primacy of the British and other European colonial powers was waning, as recently formed unitary states of Germany and Italy were on the rise.
With so many rising powers, it was inevitable that conflict would ultimately ensue. Even if Franz Ferdinand’s assassination wouldn’t have happened, some other tinder would have lit the fire.
Similar conditions exist today.
Just like a century ago when waning British power invited a power struggle among rising nations, waning US power is creating conflict with Russia, China, etc.
A century ago, they settled it on the battlefield. Everyone knew war would eventually come to Europe. But the great miscalculation was they presumed it would be just another 19th century limited war.
It was anything but.
The great war brought brutal mass killings, bombings, heavy artillery, gassing, etc. And it changed warfare forever.
This time around, the way we conduct war is different. Similarly, leaders are miscalculating, thinking that they can scare their opponents with warships and fighter jets.
But modern warfare isn’t fought with boots on the ground. In 2014, cyberwar and economic war looms.
And this type of war is something that will affect literally every person who is plugged in to the global financial system.
I invite you to explore more with me on this critically important topic in today’s podcast. You can give it a listen here:
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Game of Shadows.
Time to shop for solar panels.
Turning out the enemy's lights has been the 1st move for decades.
Now malware does it, not bombs.
the war had already started, the U>S. is trying to play catch up with their losing hand. The dollar is already history in most places. It is called scortched despeperate Earth of lies now
Who would have thought the US would behave like a tantrum throwing 6 year old as their hegemony collapses? /sarc
good riddance
"But modern warfare isn’t fought with boots on the ground. In 2014, cyberwar and economic war looms."
Simon, I don't think the following got that memo.
Current Wars and Start Dates
worldwide War on Drugs 1971 -->
Brazil Favela War 1980s-->
Central African Republic Persistent State Failure 1980s-->
China Uighur 1996 -->
Colombia Insurgencies 1970s-->
Congo (Zaire) Congo War 1998-->
India Kashmir 1970s-->
India Naxalite Uprising 1967 -->
Iraq Civil War 2014 -->
Mali Tuaregs / Islamists 2012 -->
Mexico Drug War 2006 -->
Middle East/
North Africa/
Central Asia Arab Spring 2010 -->
Nigeria Civil Disturbances 1997 -->
Pakistan Karachi Political Violence 2007 -->
Pakistan Pashtun Jihad 2001 -->
Russia North Caucasus Insurgency 1992 -->
Somalia Civil War 1991-->
South Sudan Tribal Warfare 2009-->
Sudan Darfur 1983-->
Syria Syria Revolution 2011
Turkey Kurdistan 1984 -->
Ukraine Russian Separatists 2014 -->
United States Afghanistan 1980 -->
United States Djibouti 2001 -->
Yemen Sheik al-Houti 2004 -->
Yemen South Yemen Unrest 2007 -->
Yemen Al-Qaeda Arabian Peninsula 2009 -->
I have to agree. Like PM's: If you don't hold it, you don't own it.
World War 3 might start as an effort to disable electrical grids. But it sure as hell will end with the nuclear option.
The path has begun...China and Russia are systematically dismantling the petrodollar system.
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2014/04/the-road-to-world-war-3.html
Yes - don't forget the Nukes.
Don't ever forget the nukes.
Or the crazies - who will think they can ever be a solution to anything.
They are definitely out there...
( ... I see stupid people. )
'Federation of American Scientists':
http://fas.org/issues/nuclear-weapons/status-world-nuclear-forces/
BING images of those who have nukes:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=total+nuclear+weapons+in+the+world&q...
'Web Net':
http://www.web.net/~cnanw/a3.htm
On and on, and on and on, and on and on and on and on...:
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-countries-by-nucl...
Lots of DDOS activity in the search, you know. The Adobe Flash plugin 'crashed' within the Mozilla framework when looking for info, on the more common web-searching tools (BING and YAHOO). It's AMAZING that the MSN and the YAHOO searches yielded EXACTLY the same results (but Yahoo links to the search could 'not connect' for some strange reason).
17,900 'large nukes' (give or take a few thousand).
I'll get right to the Rock War.
SCORPIONS: 'China White':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGLGIv7HqLY
These mother-fuckers don't really care if everyone they don't know (personally) is anniahlated and cooked alive with radiation and given death-sentences and forced to suffer either a quick or slow death.
The song that I post is best enjoyed when playing it on a stabilized and electronically-preamplified Harmon-Kardon record player, with a set of Koss headphones that are linked to a Sony pre-amplifier that has quadrophonic capabilities (or; in the case of large groups, is pumped out through a set or four of genuine Pioneer tower speakers and a few Hughes satellite speakers hung throughout the most acoustically-freindly places in the high-ceilinged-domicile of choice). 50,000 watts of power (and it's pushing overload!).
Klaus Meiner and the Scorpions were the shit. Their 'Blackout' album was quite prescient.
It's up to you. Just fight the evil in your mind. It's up to you. The more love you give, the more you find.
They're fucking WAR PIGS; the ones who wish the release of the TRUE weapons of mass destruction:
(NAW, I won't post the old, tired Ozzy Osbourne shit. Instead, here's a song by Ronnie James Dio):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUjUIP2ugG4
The crazy mother-fuckers that have their fingers poised over the launch buttons of the fucking death-pile of 17,900 WMD's are actually sociopathic in the extreme.
( ... I see stupid people. )
MontgomeryScott:
Ditch the Koss and get a set of Grados...
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_5?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-...
Can someone help me out here?
My (admittedly rather limited) understanding is that the BUK not just a single vehicle, but a system comprising several vehicles, one of which has a large rotating antenna that is a radar tracking/guidance system.
If a BUK was used to bring down MH17, wouldn't this radar targetting system have emitted some kind of detectable, characteristic, and locatable (via triangulation) electromagnetic signature during the trajectory of the missile, that would have been detected by Russian as well as Ukrainian and NATO signal monitoring stations?
There's another explanation, though. Security at the departure point for MH17, Schiphol Airport, is run by ICTS International, which is an Israeli company founded by ex-Shin Beit personnel.
Remember Schiphol Airport? That's where witnesses claimed the 'underwear bomber' was escorted onto the plane by airport security officials, despite not having valid travel documents.
Of course, I'm sure the owners of ICTS are not dual-passport Israeli-firster sayonim who let Mossad operatives... tamper? with MH17 before it took off. Or plant explosives in it. Or fiddle with the black boxes so they'll reveal it was Vladimir Putin himself who fired the fatal missile. Christ, he was probably guiding it, Major-Kong style, to ensure it hit, before falling back to earth with a particularly deft judo roll. These Russians! Is there no evil they will not commit?
Tracking radars can be pin pointed on a target. The only noticeable emissions anywhere else other than the target would be negligible through sidelobes of the radar itself. Early warning radars many times are duel used as Air Traffic Control, especially in Ukraine's part of the world. The tracking radars are called Target Illuminators because the missile just guides itself toward the radar illuminate target. There also optical and heat guided seekers. Active radar missiles don't need a ground based illuminator. I don't know which this is specifically.
Ah, just saw this, thanks for the reply.
It is genuinely amazing to me that the US, and its war-mongering meet the press "Representatives" (McCain and King, for example) are beating the drums for "getting tough" with Russia, after losing in Iraq. We can't win in a country the size of Texas, but we're going to stare down Russia? It's actually fucking inconceivable to me, but nonetheless.
Putin was achieving his foreign policy objectives in Ukraine, despite US meddling, and was looking like he was going to keep Gazprom's customers, too. He had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by killing innocent civilians. The US, on the other hand, had everything to gain. Cui bono? Someone is willing to murder innocent civilians in order to make money. FWIW I am sure Putin is also capable of this. In this particular case, however, I have my doubts about his / Russia's complicity, if for no other reason it would not be to his benefit. I do sincerely believe that "my" "government" is capable of this. They would kill us all if there was money to be made doing it.
Give them time. They're trying to cook something up.
Yep. It is obvious our elites are the beneficiaries of this "accident". Putin has been playing things brilliantly. We don't need to hold hands with the man but we (America) have not reason to be getting tough with him. The more our elites stick our chest out the more it seems we are going to lose (us, not necessarily them).
We cannot allow US troops to be deployed to face either Russia or China. They will be sacrificed and DHS and police will then have the upperhand as far as weapons and tech goes.
Really? You are not sure Putin is responsible here, but won't allow the crash site to be viewed. Its now sanitized. But you believe Putin wouldn't do it, and can't see the rebels easily could have. SW - you're post is the closest on this board to admitting it may not be US, and even still won't admit its likely not US.
ZH - is now a failed experiment. You people are an embarassment to my country. Everything is some other persons fault.
You people are what the rest of the country is fighting, only you think you're right. Please say anything constructive. Anything?
The forensics do not start at the crash site since there is no fucking site, there are sites spread over 30 square miles. How about we start at the air traffic control audio? U.S. and Russian ground launch sat tracking? U.S. and Russian sat images? common fucking sense? History of starting regional conflagrations? Broken NATO treaties? Tape recordings of douchebag state department no nothing heady cunts for starters? and then get to the air frame. Who ever is responsible should have thought of where the shit would land prior to affecting it's flight path towards terra firma in hostile territory.
WNaRG, you're a wag aren't you? Now watch this press conference of DPR leader Alexander Borodai where he repeatededy explains the difficulties of securing the crash site (in a war zone), and repeatedly asks 'where is the international team of investigators?... Why aren't they here yet?". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AuZ1Ok3s_I
Then read this article on ZH (go ahead, punish yourself), and ask yourself a few questions....including 'Qui Bono?'
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-...
Ok, I officially blame you. Why did you let this all happen? You're a failure. You should be ashamed of yourself and your family should carry that shame with them for three generations.
I am Chumbawamba.
Three??? What happened to seven?
Warmongers like you won't survive the aftermath. You better hope you don't end up in the wrong FEMA camp.
Hell be fine - he's probably got a job as kapo lined up already.
Thanks for showing up - we need more people here spouting the official government party line, blind allegiance, my country right-or-wrong, etc. After all, it's not like they've ever lied or been caught in the act doing false-flag operations, or trying to start wars for purely self-serving interests - they deserve our trust and support. BTW, do you have any kids you could send overseas to die for the cause?
"WeNeedaRealGovt"
I feel SO BAD just realizing that I, and those who decry the loss of personal freedom and the return to sound money are a 'FAILED EXPERIMENT'!
SERIOUSLY.
I think I will turn now, and ascribe to the higher plane of total control and total subservience; in the new fascist state of 'do as we say, or die'.
The glory of knowing that my childern will be CANNON FODDER, and that I am but a 'useless eater' pales in comparison to 'NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM'!
I wish to know how I might be of service.
Dying in an epic battle is glorious, I think, and dying en masse is even MORE SO!
I WONDER how the latest 'GWOT' thingie is working out for those who are doing the LATEST version of the 'Gaza Incursion'.
Our 'friends' in Haifa and Alexandria ought to be able to fill us in.
'WNaRG': have you heard from your ASHENAZI friends how this is going?
Hey, weeweeknee, so "ZH - is now a failed experiment", eh! Sez you, "9 weeks and 2 days" in, LMYFAO!!!!!!!! (65 days) Just what the F*** do you think you know about the 5 and 1/2 year (over 2000 days now, and god only knows how many excellent articles and millions of comments later) long raging debate that goes on here at Zero Hedge every hour of every day by people trying to extract a measure of truth and understanding from the insanity that has become OUR WORLD. Exactly what do they pay guys like you to make such ASSES OF YOURSELVES.
YOU, and the increasingly irritating (because you are so incredibly obvious in your sniggering attempts to redirect the commentary on this thread) number of your Langley brethren ARE THE REAL EMBARASSMENT TO MY COUNTRY, because you all so clearly have zero understanding of the what the extraordinary and unique origins of this nation really were. And I can guarantee you that ALL of my forefathers that ranged this land in the late 1700's would not recognize today what they fought so valiantly for, and you and your ilk would be as foreign to them as any Hessian mercenary.
May God Almighty (though I am agnostic), if ever they be such an entity, save this nation and its people from the likes of you.
Finally I get 'round to my first post.
First, you logged in to the wrong webiste. The Wapo boards will be most welcoming.
Second, as to who most easily could have done it, it certainly isn't the rebels. Putin, maybe, buy why? Use your brain. The only party that had an interest in the current outcome was Ukraine. They sure are playing you like a fiddle, arent' they?
The site: Oh, where do I begin. Even you concede the plane was shot down by a missle, so please explain what exactly, besides remains, you would hope to find at the crash site(s)?
I can not believe that with all the various electronic data gathering that must've been going on no one's come up with the radar track of the missile's flight. Why don't the Ukrainians just do that and prove the missile came from Sep-controlled territory? What about all the sites out there busy collecting the electronic intelligence from the missile? The launchers? WTF? To my mind it's because the Ukrainians did it themselves. They are the ONLY party involved with a plausible motive. Except Assad, of course. (A joke, since you're thick).
ZH is definitely not a failed experiment...I learned first here about a number of things: HFT, LIBOR and PMs manipulation, what's really going on in China, links to Shadowstats...the list goes on and on. The fact that you don't read those stories (all subsequently picked up by WAPO and its ilk) shows you haven't the least idea what ZH is all about.
Something constructive: If you don't like it here, go away. But come with morre than Rachel Maddow's talking notes. No one here will take you seriously.
Well said but one minor observation...."they will kill us all..." It isn't about money. They have plenty of that. It's about power.
They desire power to hold dominion over others lives. Such desires are the domain of the sociopath and that is the most frightening aspect of all this.
Time to revisit the GEORGIA GUIDESTONES
"The Georgia Guidestones are a huge stonehenge-like arrangement of granite slabs erected in the early 1980s for mysterious reasons; the persons who commissioned the stones are unknown. Carved into their sides are statements in several languages to be used, presumably, as societal directives in the context of some sort of post-apocalyptic future-a reboot disk for human civilization."
The First guideline of the Ten Commandment of Georgia Guidestones:
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
“Maintain humanity under 500 million”? Global population is already in the billions.
“Maintain??”
“Maintain humanity under 500 million”?
Wtf do they mean?
go and read on...i won't put any link here, just search them ;)
The Kagans convinced JFKerry, McCain, etc that a war (nuclear if reqired) with Russia is not only desirable, but winnable. Obama is a mechanical-duck now, he has no choice but to recite what he sees in front of him for two more years.
No offense,
But what would the US gain?
But what would the US gain?
Customers.
Power.
Hemming in a reticent opponent of the western banking system.
Defence (for a few more weeks) of the USD trade system.
A military base for more eastern-pointing weapons, and so the hope of leverage over Russia's substantial resources.
A boost to the already greatly exposed sham that is Western power.
@ AlaricBalth, do you realize that ALL in your list were asymmetric ones?
What Simon does mean is between the comparatively equal big guys affairs, not the bullies against the 6yrs old kids!
Your 100% correct. You can feel it in the air that war is getting set up. I've always wondered why is the US trying it's hardest to get into a conflict with Russia. And that's because they know that the economy is kaput and they need something external of the US to blame for the implosion.
A very smart man. We have over one hundred nuclear plants.
Ouch.
Time to shop for solar panels.
I am thinking this too, but for the simple reason that the collapse of the $$ will raise my energy costs and make solar attractive...if I buy panels at today's prices.
As I recall a ZH'er quoting Putin one time, "Tough shitzki!"
WW3?
Thanatos should be sharpening a scythe about now...
That is so weird. I really did do just that today.
Hopefully not. Way too many loonies with way too many nukes at their disposal.
It's too late, the nuclear genie is out of the bottle. It is inevitable. Even a third world war without the launch of a single nuclear ICBM will make no difference. An enemies domestic nuclear power plants will be immediately targetted.
We will wake, very soon, to news that will leave us immobilised with fear. Then all the chest beating and bravado, displayed regularly by many, even on this site, will come home to roost in a reality that we just can't conceive of.
Well Washington has already killed so any innocents what's a few hundred million more?
After one it's just a number, with your milestones in between.
The death of one is a 'tragedy'.
The death of a million is a 'statistic'.
I forgot who (which one) was attributed to this quote.
Stalin (for the lazy)
Still not as scary, to me, as when the Syria shit came to a head with Russia. Although it probably is just as bad or worse.
Problem is it seems events keep bringing the same players to head eventually one will strike.
There was every reason to believe Russia standing down over Syria was as likely as the US since Syria is not part of either country. Russia will not stand down when you are talking about Russia's borders. This is far riskier.
I don't see "rising powers" but rather the opposite. This is devolution and desperation, collapsing implosion imposed by an genocidal Rothchild banking system trying to be born as the New World Order.
Secede from Washington D.C. while you still have a chance suckers.
Agreed.
Question is who is brave enough, I have no doubt they will strike whomever leaves them like some abusive ex.
Individuals leave every day.
Texas? Most of the Midwest and Great Plains where they have real resources? Pretty much all of Flyover country...just not New England or the Left Coast...
I was at a gym in Florida working out on vacation. Happened to have on an Ohio State shirt (fucking hate the fans, but when you're born and raised in Columbus, you cant help but have a drawer full of them). Anyways, happy-go-lucky surfer dude with rainbows shootin out of his ass comes up to me and goes, "So, how are things in Buckeye country." I looked at him right in the eye and said, "we're ready and waiting for the signal to march east and take back Washington". Dude chuckled uncomfortably, realized I was dead fucking serious, and then without saying a word, slowly started backing up and walked away. You know hanging around here has really impaired my interpersonal skills hahahahaha...
Representing CinCity....make the call and we stand tall.
Modern electronic warfare may be the wave of the future, but I'm sure there will be blood.
yeah but- who is edward vii this time around?
George V is played by Putin:
"As a result of the First World War (1914–18), most other European empires fell while the British Empire expanded to its greatest effective extent"
It didn't last very long though. As result of WWII (supposeddly won), the British Empire went to shits... for good.
Nothing lasts forever. I'm not a Putin cheerleader, but Russians and eastern Europeans are very capable. Russia has the resources; it just needs an entrepreneurial climate and those people will drink less and produce more.
The oligarchs, like like in the USA, will fight against it, but there's a chance they could last longer than the Brits.
You mean Edward the playboy?
Who do you suppose plays golf while Washington burns? (Apologies to Nero.)
why go back 100 years? in the late 1930s roosevelt started implementing economic sanctions against japan.....prohibited export of defense materials to them....slapped embargos on steel and iron and oil...froze japanese assets in the u.s.....then the u.s. allies such as the british and the dutch followed suit......this of course backed japan into a corner and led to them do what our govt was itching for them to do......
hmmmm....any of this sound familiar right about now???......anyone figure out where we are headed now?????
+ over 9000
Wasn't Japan marauding around China massacring the Chinese? Wasn't Japan building a huge modern war machine gear toward far flung conquest? Why should we have fueled their empire?
It doesn't sound familiar because Russia doesn't resemble Japan. Isn't the general consensus that the west is being the aggressor here?
far flung conquests? lol. you are a troll.
japan was in control of their sphere of influence. it was the u.s. looking for far flung conquests......it was our "asian pivot" at the time.....always sticking our nose where it didnt belong......and our actions today are precisley the same...same m.o......but this time, our dear leaders fail to see how flacid the u.s. has become........
Yes on backing into a corner. Malaysia does not appear to matter in this current tension. So far a benign Islamic nation that abides by international law and order. Their cry for justice stupidly aggravated by the big boy (China) in the neighborhood who has hugged the Bear.
Malaysia so far among other SE Asian nations has less leanings towards US. A crisis gone to waste by US absent even in words that Malaysia matters as much as Ukraine, Israel, Palestine. The so far friends in SE Asia are watching and US may have kissed goodbye to its Asia Pivot and TPP. The latter is one shred of hope to US ailing main economy.
So we want a potential inflammation of fundamentalism, the outcome of being marginalised ? Or let's wait until it becomes a problem and it is not in my neighborhood for the EC crowd.
We are in the same less globalized world where the centers of economic strengths remain static and in the West? The contagion from global markets volatility move at the speed of sail ships ? These past natives who have become creditor nations do not know how to eat your lunches ?
time to cross the border...to canada
Yup. roosevelt did it for shipping routes and market access. obama is doing it for petro-routes and market access. Nothing new.
Meh.
No one rational is gonna follow O'Barry's lead (cyber or otherwise). Ya'll go ahead, knock yourselves out...lol.
I like this description of WWI best:
If WWI was a bar fight
Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of a pub when Serbia bumps into Austria and spills Austria's pint. Austria demands Serbia buy it a complete new suit because there are splashes on its trouser leg. Germany expresses its support for Austria's point of view. Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit.
Serbia points out that it can't afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for the cleaning of Austria's trousers. Russia and Serbia look at Austria. Austria asks Serbia who it's looking at. Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone. Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in compelling it to do so. Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that this is sufficiently out of order that Britain should not intervene. Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it?
Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action. Britain and France ask Germany whether it's looking at Belgium. Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper.
When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone. Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium. France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britain and France with one hand and Russia with the other. Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it's on Britain's side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria.
Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings because Britain made Australia do it. France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change. Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway.
Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting. America waits till Germany is about to fall over from sustained punching from Britain and France, then walks over and smashes it with a barstool, then pretends it won the fight all by itself. By now all the chairs are broken and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany's fault. While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2010/11/joke_week_if_wwi_were_bar_fight
You completely neglected the part about Britain sneaking out the side door, and then driving a pickup truck through the front of the pub, smashing Germany up against the bar.
Just like a six sigma expert to overlook the obvious.
this is not a jewish matter.
bringing the jews in at this stage in the game
is a cheap shot and antiseptic
since when is it bad providing some festering and seeding monies too all sides in war since when is that a bad thing already.
>> since when is it bad providing some festering and seeding monies too all sides in war since when is that a bad thing already.
I'm sure that's covered in here somewhere...http://www.sjtrek.com/trek/rules/
That has been practiced by rich men all over the world for thousands of years. It is no less dispicable not being limited to a religion or a race. If you only take out all the jews you will miss a majority of enemies and kill millions of innocents.
CUI BONO?? American-Europe orbit tighter.It looks like the start of a bigger harder push to isolate Russia from Europe. 1945 redux.
Currency war, trade war, war war.
So they shot down an airliner (which shouldn't have been there in the first place) by accident. Oops. Of course all possible parties are in full denial, so we know that someone is lying. And we have the sanctimonious pot-head POTUS telling us he disapproves. Meanwhile drunken louts plunder the bodies for credit cards they can steal.
So is this the flap of the butterfly's wings that cause the hurricane? Eh. If it is, we deserve it.
What if it was not accidental? I don't mean the seperatists purposely shooting it down. What if it was put there to take the shot meant for a military plane? What if it wasn't the seperatists who shot it down at all?
To accept any kind of narrative from a side that is not releasing the evidence it has (the west) is simple minded.
After all the important pieces of news on this subject on this site, we get this "puff" piece? Oh yeah, it is a Simon Black piece
Cyberwar just adds one more factor to the battlefield; it isn't some all powerful game changer. Economic war has always been going on. If anything, our deep markets and advanced technology make us less vulnerable to economic war than our ancestors in the past. We can find alternative sources of resources from around the world much more quickly than in previous eras.
As for the United States being unable to win modern conflicts, I would say what we lack is not technical know how, talented personnel, or other instrumentalities of war, but vision, leadership, and determination at all levels of society. Our leaders are too weak and silly to wage war decisively and the American people are too coddled to tolerate the realities of war, let alone sacrifice personally for war. People start shrieking when we kill our enemies let alone when we suffer losses on our side.
Yeah, go export some more Feifdom and Dumocracy, exceptionalist.
I'm downvoting you for your shallow and ignorant post, cos you've apparently not even heard of the term cyberwarefare, or EMP weapons and how they could be used to cripple a country (just-in-time economy), by knocking out the power grid alone.
Double downvoting you because you reduce the subject of waging war by the US to the 'vision, leadership and determination at all levels of society' of the US, as if by waging war with such 'qualities', the world would be a better place. US wages war for CHOICE, not defence. MIC and financiers of war, criminals and black-marketeers profit from war, everyone else suffers. So what 'vision' is lacking other than global US hedgemony, for the benefit of the chosen few? Do you support that? By US 'leadership' do you mean the 'Commander in Chief' of the MIC, or cheerleader of 'red team/blue team to further the profit motives of corporate 'players'?
You neglect to consider that the main reason the US loses wars is that they are unjust, profiteering, flag waving charades that have resulted in the deaths and maimings of millions of innocent human beings, and are thus by default, wars for losers. What war has the US 'won' since 1945, the 'war to end all wars'?
The profiteers of those 'wars of choice', have bankrupt the US, and future generations of the whole planet. Financially and morally. Perhaps you believe that the Israeli government and the IDF have something to teach on the subject of 'vision, leadership and determination'. Perhaps you could get out of your armchair visit Gaza this week, so you could post on the subject of war with a better understanding of what your'e talking about...
There is no incentive for DC politicians to do the right thing, they only need to mouth some platitudes during an election year and they will be re-elected 95% of the time; they then can go back to ogling attractive young interns in short skirts or well-cut trousers...
sounds like great work if u can get it.
The horror of the WW I was previewed in the American Civil War. It's feel good to believe that it'll be an economic war in 2014. Obama is becoming a cornered rat. The only way this stops is for the US/Obama narrative to be rejected and discredited. The NY Times had just two weeks ago, published the supposed economic value of war for the economy. It's time to connect the dots. The afterfact of MH370 was preplanned for the media. Who benefits most: Obama and the latest Ukrainian government. Who has no known benefit: Putin and/or the separatists.
How many more must die for Obama's glory? When will the sheeple see the obvious and not be blinded by the US media? This is not the US against a weak non-nuclear power. This will be no pollyanna war. The Obama rat is being cornered.
Ahem, you mean MF-17.
Duck, it's a drone!
what the fuck is a pod cast?
A circle jerk with microphones
Kinda like a recorded prank phone call.
it's when a bunch of whales get stuck up against a shed wall, or maybe a beach?
haha, well i can sure as shit say the revolution wont be podcasted. but but but, tweeter helped ignite the "arab spring". i can guarantee you that anything involving a bunch of morons tweeting is not the revolution we are looking for.... long ham radios....
An internet radio recording that you listen to at your own convenience. Imagine!
try this one for a start ("best podcast in the universe!"): No Agenda Show
http://adam.curry.com/html/NoAgendaEpisode636Ap-1405886132.html
It's how aliens launch their colonizing vehicles.
All because of a small tribe of fucked up people who got part of their wee-wee wacked off at birth and have been acting out ever since.
Correction: "roving army of fanatics (aka as the United States of America. ed) that has taken over half of Iraq and parts of Syria the rest of the world in their quest to build a global caliphate empire"
And by the way, Israel is not doing so well in its fight against Hamas some say . . . .
And by the way, Israel is not doing so well in its fight against Hamas some say . . . .
THE PERFECT STORM (see p. 59 onwards)
The economy is a surplus energy equation, not a monetary one, and growth in output (and in the global population) since the Industrial Revolution has resulted from the harnessing of ever-greater quantities of energy. But the critical relationship between energy production and the energy cost of extraction is now deteriorating so rapidly that the economy as we have known it for more than two centuries is beginning to unravel. http://ftalphaville.ft.com/files/2013/01/Perfect-Storm-LR.pdf
Maybe we get one last cataclysmic war before the end of CHEAP oil knocks the entire pile of shit over
shit just print more currency and start learning russian and chinese. problem solved.
Ramsey: Colonel Von Luger, it is the sworn duty of all officers to try to escape. If they cannot escape, then it is their sworn duty to cause the enemy to use an inordinate number of troops to guard them, and their sworn duty to harass the enemy to the best of their ability.
The best one is "it's on loan" love it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Vu09aGTZc&sns=em
Simon Black is fretting about economic war.
Actually, nuclear war is what we need to be worrying about.
No need to worry about nuclear war, it's coming and when it gets here you probably want to die quick .
survival will be for the hardcore masochists and children between ages of 8 and 14, who are old enough to be useful but still retain the blank slate essential for complete adaptation to whatever is thrown at them.
after nuclear war , there's going to have to be a lot of unpleasant mercy killing to do. as long as we're stocked up on benzodiazepans, you can just hand them out to the dying for a relatively painless overdose . thing about a hospital full of people who'se machines no longer work. people will beg you for benzos because the morphine will be long gone.
its gonna be zombie fuckin apocalypse. all the survivalist folks will go ape shit nuts when their slobbering nightmares actually come true.
me, i just plan on having one thing, fresh underwear and fresh socks.
don't forget your towel
No need to worry about nuclear war, it's coming and when it gets here you probably want to die quick .
survival will be for the hardcore masochists and children between ages of 8 and 14, who are old enough to be useful but still retain the blank slate essential for complete adaptation to whatever is thrown at them.
after nuclear war , there's going to have to be a lot of unpleasant mercy killing to do. as long as we're stocked up on benzodiazepans, you can just hand them out to the dying for a relatively painless overdose . thing about a hospital full of people who'se machines no longer work. people will beg you for benzos because the morphine will be long gone.
its gonna be zombie fuckin apocalypse. all the survivalist folks will go ape shit nuts when their slobbering nightmares actually come true.
me, i just plan on having one thing, fresh underwear and fresh socks.
i would argue the israeli conflict with hama was actually orchestrated by the u.s. state department , the timing is just TOO COOINCIDENTAL AS A DISTRACTION FROM ISIS IRAQ/SYRIA UKRAINE.
REALLY PEOPLE EVEN ON ZH ARE TOSSING THE I HATE ISRAEL FLAG BECAUSE OF GAZA. ----SERIOUSLY, FUCKING PLEASE. GO FUCK YOURSELVES YOU MORONS. TO BEGIN WITH YOU'RE EASILY DISTRACTED BECAUSE OF YOUR , SHALL WE SAY, ANTI-ZIONISM.
BUT LOOK AT THE FUCKIGN TIMING, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? AS IF STRATEGIC CONCERNS ACTUALLY GIVE A RATS FUCK ABOUT THE GAZA GHETTO? IT HAS NO STRATEGIC SIGNIFICANCE OTHER THAN PROPOGANDA VALUE AS A CONVENIENT DISTRACTION FROM REAL PIPELINISTAN WARS.
THING ABOUT HOW THE 'UPRISING' IN GAZA EVEN STARTED. IT WAS PRIMARILY ISRAEL'S OWN TIMING. THEY KNOW HAMAS HAS ROCKETS AND ARE WAITING TO USE THEM. THEY ALSO KNOW HAMAS IS DESPERATE. THE TIMING BY ISRAELI TO INSTIGATE THIS WHOLE THING-----IT'S CLEARLY A DISTRACTION TACTIC IN MY OPINION.
AS IF THE LEADERS OF ISRAEL ARE REALLY CONCERNCED ABOUT BRITISH AND FRENCH ANTI-SEMITE CROWDS? THE FUCKING NATIVE BRITS AND NATIVE FRENCH WILL NEVER IN A HUNDRED YEARS GIVE IN TO THE HOARDS OF ARAB PACKI NIGERIAN IMMIGRANT AND LABOR LEFT ANTI-SEMITES WHO PREDICTABLY CRY ABOUT NATZI ISRAEL COMMITING MASS MURDER EVERY TIME ONE PERSON DIES.
THIS PATTERN REPEATS SO MANY TIMES, THAT THE ISRAELI AND AMERICANS ARE HARDLY STUPID ENOGUH TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT IN CONTROLLING THE MEDIA AND USING DISTRACTION TO CONTROL NEWSFLOW.
THE PUBLIC ARE LIKE CHIPMANZEES , THEIR ATTENTION DISTRACTED BY WHATEVER IS ON THE TELEVISION.
ON A SIDE NOTE JUST TO PISS OFF YOU FUCKING ANTI-SEMTIES-------I DONT' SEE YOU CALLING AMERICA A MASS GENOCIDE OF IRAQI'S WHEN IN FACT THE U.S. OCCUPATION OF IRAQ IS REPONSIBLE FOR OVER 100,000 IRAQI DEATHS PER YEAR SINCE IT BEGAN, COUNTING DIRECT AND INDIRECT DEATHS.
ISRAEL KILLS 500 PEOPLE , APPROXIMATELY HALF OF WHOM ARE HAMAS FIGHTERS AND ALL FO THE SUDDEN ITS GENOCIDE. FUCK YOU TWAT CUNTS.
I was the only pilot to file a federal lawsuit regarding the BHUAP [ Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot ] and I believe I am the only airline pilot called to Malaysia to explain MH370 to both MAS [ the airline ] and elements of their government. Emirates CEO Tim Clark is clouding the issue by seeking a 'summit' to determine where it is safe to fly. Answer? No where. Until the BHUAP is either removed from the jets or explained to the pilots, expect more. August 25 is not far off and we 'guessed' correctly on July 17th. Before you listen to MSM scripted drivel, see youTubes entitled: Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot and Attention Tim Clark. I have filed 3 federal lawsuits with the most recent being CIVIL CASE 1:08-1600 (RMC) which was dismissed when ALPA [ airline pilots association ] perpetrated a FRAUD UPON THE COURT of Judge Rosemary M. Collyer.
Field McConnell
abeldanger.net
fieldmcc@yahoo.com
http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/07/2041-marine-links-serco-fraud-with-mh....
Plum City – (AbelDanger.net): United States Marine Field McConnell has linked Serco’s apparent uploading of fraudulent waypoints into the Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilots of MH Flight 370 and MH Flight 17, to David Cameron’s alleged role in the development of a London-based Octobriana crime group with the Russian Underground and the spoliation of evidence.
Another reason why this plane?
http://qz.com/238171/the-netherlands-can-choose-to-squeeze-russias-econo...
And these:
- Malaysia strongly condemed Israeli aggression in Gaza hours before the plane blew up. They also have a fund drive going to the Palestinians.
"Anifah also said that the Palestine Humanitarian Trust Fund established in 2002 under the purview of Wisma Putra was ready to receive financial donations from the public.
He said the accumulated donation would be channelled to the Palestinian people via the relevant international bodies to help ease their suffering."
- the MH17 flight was flight 17, shot down on the 17th, and the aircraft was on the 17th anniversary of entering service, as another poster has noted. Cabalists are deep into numerology.
See: Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde of IMF
Btw the QZ is part of the Ministry of Truths, it's towing the exactly same party lines as propagandized by DC & London.
http://youtu.be/QYmViPTndxw
The idea of America getting involved or jumping into a war in Ukraine would have been hard to imagine a few years ago. As I write this we are funding and encouraging Ukraine to wage war on its own people. This has the potential to escalate. Allowing events to deteriorate into a major war or possibly into what some see as World War III is becoming a reality.
As insane as it appears this could become the final outcome. The location of this as a military confrontation is right in Putin's backyard and this is a strong advantage for Russia. It is silly to think Putin and Russia will back down. This means poking the bear is not a smart move. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/04/war-in-ukraine-bad-idea_26.html
In the current status quo, Seize Mars continues the inevitable slide toward poverty and desperation.
In the mad-mad-mad world of lights out/grid collapse struggle for real resources, Seize Mars wins and wins big.
Bring it.
Banks made money on WWI.
Follow the bread crumbs.
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MH17 Will Usher In A Completely New Kind Of War - One The US Cannot Win"True, but misleading.
The US has many computer experts. Almost none of them are willing to work for government wages, and under government restrictions.
If you cut of power to their homes, back up their sewers, or do any of a myriad of other infrastructure hacks, they will change their minds.
The headline implies that the US is at a technical disadvantage. That is simply not true. People in the US INVENTED the tools they are using. And it wasn't invention a century ago. These people are still alive and well. When motivated US techs will "Throw Shit" with the best.
The problem with a shit-throwing-contest is that NO ONE clearly wins, but everyone gets covered with it. And that is why the headline is technically accurate...but misleading.
You can make an air liner look like a military target by flying a fighter between the liner and a SAM on the ground. The fighter's radar track is hidden by the air liner while the fighter's military IIF signal masks the air liner's civilian signal.
What's the connection, if any, to the NATO excercise 'Breeze 2014', and the disappearance from radar of around 50 civillian flights over Europe in June?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/military-blamed-planes-vani...
http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/07/mh-17-and-nato-excercise-breeze-2...