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Ron Paul: What The Press Isn't Reporting About The MH17 Disaster

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Authored by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute,

Just days after the tragic crash of a Malaysian Airlines flight over eastern Ukraine, Western politicians and media joined together to gain the maximum propaganda value from the disaster. It had to be Russia; it had to be Putin, they said. President Obama held a press conference to claim – even before an investigation – that it was pro-Russian rebels in the region who were responsible. His ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power, did the same at the UN Security Council – just one day after the crash!
While western media outlets rush to repeat government propaganda on the event, there are a few things they will not report.

They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. Without US-sponsored “regime change,” it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened. 


The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made. But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons.


They will not report that the post-coup government in Kiev has, according to OSCE monitors, killed 250 people in the breakaway Lugansk region since June, including 20 killed as government forces bombed the city center the day after the plane crash! Most of these are civilians and together they roughly equal the number killed in the plane crash. By contrast, Russia has killed no one in Ukraine, and the separatists have struck largely military, not civilian, targets.


They will not report that the US has strongly backed the Ukrainian government in these attacks on civilians, which a State Department spokeswoman called “measured and moderate.”


They will not report that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain but everything to lose by shooting down a passenger liner full of civilians.


They will not report that the Ukrainian government has much to gain by pinning the attack on Russia, and that the Ukrainian prime minister has already expressed his pleasure that Russia is being blamed for the attack.


They will not report that the missile that apparently shot down the plane was from a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system that requires a good deal of training that the separatists do not have.


They will not report that the separatists in eastern Ukraine have inflicted considerable losses on the Ukrainian government in the week before the plane was downed.


They will not report how similar this is to last summer’s US claim that the Assad government in Syria had used poison gas against civilians in Ghouta. Assad was also gaining the upper hand in his struggle with US-backed rebels and the US claimed that the attack came from Syrian government positions. Then, US claims led us to the brink of another war in the Middle East. At the last minute public opposition forced Obama to back down – and we have learned since then that US claims about the gas attack were false.

Of course it is entirely possible that the Obama administration and the US media has it right this time, and Russia or the separatists in eastern Ukraine either purposely or inadvertently shot down this aircraft. The real point is, it's very difficult to get accurate information so everybody engages in propaganda. At this point it would be unwise to say the Russians did it, the Ukrainian government did it, or the rebels did it. Is it so hard to simply demand a real investigation?


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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:03 | 4984984 undercover brother
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Bluto did it.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:07 | 4985006 Pladizow
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I can guarantee you that who ever did it was doing on behalf of an elitist!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:13 | 4985012 Manthong
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“My country, right or wrongly backing Nazis, genocide and ethnic cleansing!”

-Obama/Kerry/Noodleman Patriot

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:18 | 4985063 Anusocracy
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America, from Land of the Free to Pond Scum in 200 years.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:36 | 4985118 666
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Since the sheeple only believe in propaganda, wouldn't it be interesting if the Russians launched their own paid for propaganda blitz in the American MSM? Right now, Putin makes logical intelligent comments and questions that are not heard by the sheeple.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:50 | 4985142 BLOTTO
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It was a good start by RP, but i think he is being too vague with his questions/points.


I think we can come up with 6-10 more appropriate questions based on some of the facts that we know...of which some have been asked on this very thread.


'Why did flight MH17 fly not only over a war zone, but, 200 km off course?'

Just this^ one question alone blows the 5-6 RP points.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:03 | 4985179 ZerOhead
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And at 33,000 feet (10km)... 2,000 feet below the airline's officially requested 35,000 ft.

Gee... I wonder what the service cieling of a Ukrainian Su-25 like the two shot down earlier are...


Almost forgot... did they find anyone who saw or photogtraphed the Buk missile smoke trail yet? No? 

Here let me help... you can't miss them... they look like this...


And OMG... you are never in a million years going to believe who is in charge of security at Amsterdams Schiphol Airport... 

Yup... you guessed it.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:05 | 4985235 Liberal
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As a staunch liberal, I fully agree and support Ron Paul and his views.


What?  He's a libertarian?  What's that? 


Oh...Okay.  I am against Ron Paul.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:08 | 4985251 ZerOhead
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Fuck the labels... he's a decent man.

Not a lot of those around these days...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:37 | 4985368 MillionDollarBonus_
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I strongly believe that as the world’s greatest superpower, it is our duty to maintain peace and stability around the world. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is absolutely unacceptable and for me this tragic airline shooting just seals the deal. The time for ‘investigations’ is over. Russia has gone too far, and we need to act now in order to quell this uprising and stabilize Ukraine.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:41 | 4985374 TungstenBars
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sarcasm or full retard?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:49 | 4985396 wisefool
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Welcome to fight club.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:55 | 4985613 Elvis the Pelvis
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Obama is actually doing a good job with this crisis.  He's paying lip service by bad-mouthing Putin.  But he's washing his hands of the matter.  No meaningful sanctions.  No weapons to the Ukranians.  No boots on the ground.  So why complain?  Bitchez.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:26 | 4985731 fervent in spirit
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Tyler, please take this blog pimper off ... again. (How many accounts does he have anyway?)

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:37 | 4985767 Thought Processor
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Dear Ron-

Thanks for standing up to all the bullshit that flows out of D.C.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 22:05 | 4986343 Lore
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Here is the July 18 RP interview c/o Ron Paul Institute:

Don't Blame Putin for Malaysian Shootdown (scroll halfway down the page for audio)

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:59 | 4985619 The Alarmist
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You're probably safer walking the streets of Donestk than you might be in Chicago, Camden, Detroit, or DC. At least 300k invaders have literally walked across the southern US border since the beginning of 2014. One can only wonder what is really in the national interest.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:21 | 4986162 83_vf_1100_c
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  My theory is that he is a college student who is in a competition with his frat buds to see who can get the most downvotes in x days without getting banned. No normal human could do sarcasm this lomg unremarked upon by it's author. Maybe Steven Wright?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 00:03 | 4986650 yogy999
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Awesome the analogy! I love this place!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 00:05 | 4986654 yogy999
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Awesome the analogy!! I love this place!!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:51 | 4985403 Keyser
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When MH-17 went down my first thought was which US alphabet soup agency was behind it... Putin is not this stupid, but on the other hand the US has proven their ineptitude over and over again... 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:25 | 4985513 disabledvet
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Well it did cause Israel to do probably the dumbest thing in its history.

It's RIP for RP to say Ukraine did it. We've certified ourselves as fringe here and backing Poopie Pants just ain't gonna fly (so to speak.)

There's too much reality right now anyways. It ain't like Ukraine has called for a cease fire. And Israel is about to have their iron dome breeched.

"Say good night Gracie."

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:21 | 4985705 HardAssets
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You must be new here

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:25 | 4985713 HardAssets
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- Delete double post -

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:18 | 4985946 Ronaldo
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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:22 | 4985500 stant
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What super power is that sir? Looks like to me we have several regionals trying act like one

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:04 | 4985629 barre-de-rire
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please, close your account here  go spread your mouth fuck shit in the asshole of FOX/CNN eye-shit viewers.


you have zero impact here.


+ 5 readers on the page who gonna get guillotined.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:02 | 4985631 DerdyBulls
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Million Dollar Butthead - "I strongly believe that as the world’s greatest superpower, it is our duty to maintain peace and stability around the world."

And when the country defaults on the debt or it gets paid by mass inflation theft, since this inane, meglaamaniac, narcissistic, psychopathic, homicidal policy mindset of yours is inherently aggressive and affects my wellbeing, I hope you will come out of your corner of cowardice and promptly accept the mouth busting you deserve.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:38 | 4985769 PoliticalRefuge...
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..another masterpiece MDB.. (golf clap) but with entusiasm!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:12 | 4985916 DerdyBulls
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Just a meat thrower. But why?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:37 | 4986234 Yes_Questions
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Ever seen a kid in a high-chair knock over her cereal, or drop food on the floor...


specifically to get a reaction from mom and/or dad?


that's why, kinda.


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:28 | 4986186 shovelhead
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I'm with you MDB...


Release the hounds.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:41 | 4985561 JB
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Ron Paul is a 33rd degree Freemason, playing his role as agent provocateur...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:08 | 4985650 hobopants
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Better loosen the tin foil a bit there bud.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:26 | 4985733 DeadFred
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It's a free country. He can say any fool thing, unbacked by evidence, that he wants, especially if he's a trollbot.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:13 | 4986136 Dakota Kid
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It's a free country.

If you are an illegal alien

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:08 | 4989060 JB
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Ad hominem... Come at me better than that.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:37 | 4985363 ZerOhead
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That's a good one to send to our friends who still buy the MSM propaganda and think we're nuts.

Well they think I'm nuts anyway... (and they could be right)

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:57 | 4985414 CheapBastard
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“Hang ‘m now!....we can always give 'm a fair trial later…” the crowd jeered….

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:57 | 4985415 CheapBastard
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“Hang ‘m now!....we can always give 'm a fair trial later…” the crowd jeered….

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:19 | 4985491 CH1
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That's a good one to send to our friends who still buy the MSM propaganda and think we're nuts.

Yep, one peak outside the Matrix after another, after another, after another. Just keep on keepin' on.

Over time, they find ways to wake up.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:59 | 4985869 silvermail
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This is not a war against the terrorists. This is classic genocide of

civilians, on a national basis:

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:36 | 4986222 shovelhead
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I'll bet if you stubbed your toe, you'd call that "genocide" too.

Better go look in a dictionary.


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:12 | 4986135 MontgomeryScott
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@ 'Truthseeker2':

Your link's already been sent down the memory hole.

Tried it, and got a '404'.

They are working feverishly to delete any info regarding the TRUTH, and this might be one of these cases. There ARE other links, though, and other websites, and people are caching this story and mirroring it.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:08 | 4985248 BLOTTO
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'Almost forgot... did they find anyone who saw or photographed the Buk missile smoke trail yet? No?'


Great point Zhead.

With this day and age of cell phones/cameras - you would think someone got a photograph of the noticeably long smoke plume from a S to A missile. Especially for 'them', as is it helps 'their' story...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:17 | 4985264 ZerOhead
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I'm sure it was caught by the US spy satellite that was quite possibly conveniently and directly overhead at the time. (That's easy to confirm btw...)

They'll probably release the pictures at the same time they release those air traffic recordings that show the plane wasn't redirected by Ukrainian air traffic control to a lower altitude and 200 km north that they have been sitting on for the past 4 days...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:48 | 4985394 Urban Redneck
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If the Russians have video of the plane at 5000m from the airport in Rostov on Don, then if there was an exhaust plume from a SAM- it would also be visible.

"The presence of the Ukrainian combat jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated."

Eyeballing a map it looks like about 100km, so either the Russians have some really high end video cameras (like the quality they mount in satellites, or they're not telling the the whole truth in re means and methods

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 04:16 | 4986097 old naughty
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The script is being written as we write...and it will be played out when told.

So far, "good" side is pointing fingers; and "bad" side is being vague. Together they mind-fuck us. (You can change good-bad around if so desired).

Take three steps back and look again...

and beware of the invincible hand, stirring.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:10 | 4985461 Lumberjack
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Nah, those satellites were zeroed in on a lesbian porn shoot.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:20 | 4985952 Rakshas
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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:15 | 4985278 fencejumper
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Gee, isn't that the same airport where the underwear bomber was basically escorted onto the plane? 


Found this:


Was MH17 Sabotaged By An Israeli 
Security Team At Amsterdam 
Schiphol Airport?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:28 | 4985301 ZerOhead
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Damn lucky guess!

You can never discount an ISIS terrorist bomb either.

It's not like they had a heads-up for their bloody ground offensive of peace that was launched 15 minutes after the downing of MH17 to take some heat off or anything...

Wow.. The two biggest stories in a couple of months happening at the same time. Imagine that.

It's like Rummy announcing the Pentagon missing $2.3T bucks on 9/10 and the next day the Pentagon is victimized by those Saudi terrorists.

Anyway I'm sure Obama is soon going to release those 28 pages so we can finally get to the bottom of things...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:42 | 4985794 PoliticalRefuge...
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..Anyway I'm sure Obama is soon going to release those 28 pages so we can finally get to the bottom of things...

I like your optimism!- kid's got spunk!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:01 | 4986084 CheapBastard
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The BBC fellow today on NPR asked some good questions of the Ukrainian rep on the radio [who keep blaming Russia every second sentence]. he asked why at least two Ukrainian fighter jets were so close to a civilian airliner an dif they were so close cannot it expalin a possible mistake by whomever fired the missle [implying some group was aiming at the two Uke flighter jets].


Interesting interview ... the BBVC fellow even asked the Uke rep why Uke forced launched an offensive today right in the middle of the investigation. The BBC guy said the Uke forces will surely interfere with any investigation.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:09 | 4985458 Monty Burns
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It's not just Schiphol.  They' re in charge of 'security' at most western airports. I feel so safe.  How the hell does something like this happen?  Seriously.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:53 | 4985601 kiwidor
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why 33000?  it's a signal.

and Schiphol airport?  it's about as secure as software that comes from the same shitty little country.  but sometimes it's best to pretend you believe so that you can get intelligence on your enemies.  in much the same way the certain folk are 'allowed' to come to nz for 'tourism' and 'working holidays'.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:28 | 4985975 Rakshas
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......I don't think pictures or eyewitness accounts mean much, haven't for a long time..... thousands of Americans watched an American 747 get nailed by two (2) SAMs and fall into the sea in thier own back yard ......literally ....and.... nadda........ of course this time it's different.... or not

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 22:12 | 4986368 ZerOhead
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TWA 800

Good point...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:00 | 4987356 esum
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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:01 | 4985875 I Drink Your Mi...
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Did somebody say VAGUE?

Here's the new paradigm my friend:


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:17 | 4985282 Lost My Shorts
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I believe the dynamic is:  US "journalists" prize access, scoops, plum dinner party invitations and a feeling of being part of the in-crowd in NYCDC.  You get those things by acting as a US government propaganda conduit.  Putin can't bid for their services, because he does not have the goods to pay them.  Sure, the Russian embassy can throw dinner parties and give out access and such, but they can't compete with the US elites on the latter's home turf.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:16 | 4985686 HardAssets
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"logical intelligent comments and questions"

may not be the best strategy to use on an American population that has been dumbed down so much by 'schooling'.

They might have to go with scantily clad Russian babes in ads and promises of free vodka instead


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:29 | 4986192 HulkHogan
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"Since the sheeple only believe in propaganda, wouldn't it be interesting if the Russians launched their own paid for propaganda blitz in the American MSM? "   


Yeah, it would interesting but they already have one. It's called ZH.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:47 | 4986259 shovelhead
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You sound jealous.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:54 | 4985191 aardwolf
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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:00 | 4985213 Ying-Yang
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Ponder this question...

is it better to live inside an evil empire or outside?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:02 | 4985221 Anusocracy
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If you are an unprincipled suck-up, inside.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:08 | 4985249 Ying-Yang
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So true... but when you expatiate to a nice place outside the evil empire they come and destabilize that country too.

Decisions... decisions

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:25 | 4985313 trader1
Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:46 | 4985385 ZerOhead
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That global fiat reserve currency scam thing they have going is making great stuff a hell of a lot cheaper for us too...

Damn... I'm getting soooo conflicted here.

I wonder what all those poor hard working Chinese would do... would they sacrifice their morals for big expensive houses, luxury cars and one of the highest standards of living in the world?


Oh fuck.... WHAT ARE WE DOING?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:05 | 4985237 Raymond K Hessel
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Wenn Amerika nicht gäbe, können Sie diese Nachricht lesen können würde.


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:11 | 4985259 Ying-Yang
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translation.... If America did not exist, would you be able to read this message.

wenn Sie weiners mochte sein würde Deutsch

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:42 | 4985380 TungstenBars
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If America did not exist we would not live in a worse place.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:04 | 4985442 Raymond K Hessel
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If America did not exist, the world would be a worse place.


Fixed it.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:40 | 4985552 deflator
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 Wrong. That is the same meme that Krugman uses that extrapolates the past 150 years of persistent economic growth indefinitely into the future. 

 We are in the beginning stages of a massive paradigm shift that is fundamentally diametrically opposed to the past 150 years of persistent growth. 


 Betting on the same model for growth of the past 150 years is a bet on a losing horse. America is hell bent on maintaining the status quo of the past 150 years lower left to upper right on the charts of energy production and technology that consumes it.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:53 | 4987562 Greenskeeper_Carl
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hmmmm. WWI was already fought to a stalemate by the time we joined in the festivities. We won the war for the allies, which resulted in redrawing the map of the middle east, a large part of wy there is so much violence there, same with africa. Our conduct with grmany ensured WWII happened. Because WWII happened, Korea happened too. There wouldnt have been a million killed in and around vietnam either. All that mess in bosnia/kosovo wouldn't have happened. There wouldnt be mayhem and murder all over central america due to a 'war on drugs' either. a couple million iraqis and afghans and pakis and yemenis and libyans, etc would also still be alive

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:14 | 4985674 barre-de-rire
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i am not a nazi, at all, germans play nicely soocer,  i prefer belgium beer ( best of the world ) but i cant prevent to think if russia didnt fought in WW2 usa would never appeared with churchill sticked in the ass to say hello world at normandy, and finally 70 years later we would not have a fucking muslin in whole europ, except under the tables to clean the plates.

girls would still be nicely educated,  white & clean, end debates about pork meat would never happened, and any palestinian/israelian conflict would never crush in south paris for a fucking copy paste sub-urb groups, coz we would never have neigher of them.... problem is we would all speak german & wear uniforms & all would be zoophilians SM....  i don't know what is  the worst between the projection & the actual situation.


life sometime... when you think about all what your could get & what you missed.... /S




Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:22 | 4985888 deflator
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 I used to get in "king of the hill" fights with neighbor kids who would say, "the way you think we would all be speaking German right now you Nazi fuck". lol I would reply, "what  difference does it make which language that we speak?" I understand patriotism of race better than patriotism of language.


 I used to go to bars, get drunk and get in fights alot when I was younger. If I was in a bar that was predominately a race other than White and there was a boxing match on the television where say a Latino and a Black were opponents who do you think the Latinos are rooting for? Vice-versa, in a predominately Black bar do you think many Blacks are rooting against the Black fighter in favor of the Latino? White males routinely root against their own race. Why do you think this is? I think this is because of government and corporate indoctrination that has been ongoing for decades. Western countries demographics went flat to negative in the 60's and Government growth could no longer be extrapolated indefinitely into the future without non-White immigration. Brainwashing mission has been accomplished for decades in the West.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 22:05 | 4986347 Yes_Questions
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I knew "speaking german" spouting kids growing up too.


They sure loved their American Dream and in my 'hood it was in full-throttle Keeping Up With The Johnsons.  


It was the 70's.   Upper middle class white-flight neighborhood w/ 4 kids and a housewife in each home.  


ahh the halcyon dazed and confused, days..




Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:23 | 4985721 HardAssets
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Evil empires are run by psychopaths.

Eventually they destroy everyone, outside and inside the empire.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:00 | 4985216 Anusocracy
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Americans aren't particularly worse than other groups of people, they just have more opportunities to be worse.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:13 | 4985267 Raymond K Hessel
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The WPC must be taking a break.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:04 | 4985229 i_call_you_my_base
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Absurd. The formation of many, if not most have come from invaders.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:13 | 4985272 AnAnonymous
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And all invaders were genocide dealers, preaching on the natural rights theory. It is human condition.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:20 | 4985297 Ying-Yang
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Has there ever been a day in history that countries were not at war?

With all the advancements of civilization isn't it sad that men still kill men as we did 50,000 years ago.

Barbaric we are!

- Yoda

Bonus Yoda - “In a dark place we find ourselves, and a little more knowledge lights our way.”

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:52 | 4985389 booboo
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You sir are a retard, while I agree that the governments of many countries put a hurting on the indiginous population you may want to look around to see where the fuck heads that did the beat down came from. Now you want to talk about the whole of Europe and it's multiple conquest.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:47 | 4985820 PoliticalRefuge...
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Probably copied that straight out of a current American hist. textbook- (that would explain the all caps).

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:07 | 4985451 Coletrane
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you speak as though the average american citizen has ANY say about ANYTHING this country does.


perhaps you should pay attention.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:14 | 4985478 Monty Burns
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This is the whole point.  A tiny elite has seized permanent power in America and does as it pleases.  The electoral changes in Congress, Senate and Presidencies are just window dressing for the masses.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:36 | 4985986 HardAssets
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"you speak as though the average american citizen has ANY say about ANYTHING this country does."

I understand your point, but have to disagree.

There are far more of us than 'them'. The parasite psychopath minority can only carry out their evil ways if the majority carries it out for them. The majority ends up being their own oppressors.

Of course, this is why the majority are brainwashed in 'schools', by the media, by popular culture, by the attitudes they are taught by clueless relatives and peers. In the movie by the same name, it was said that the Matrix is a prison for our minds. And that is very true.

If we could snap our fingers and have everyone in the country understand the way things really work . . . this 'Matrix' would end overnight.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."  - Henry Ford

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:01 | 4986085 NoPension
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We are just comfortable enough. With just enough fear of rocking the boat thrown in for good measure. They have done a good job at that.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:20 | 4985495 MOLONAABE
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If you want to look at genocide take a hard look at England, Canada and Australia they all put a big dent in a few indigenous populations, mate…..But what European county has not...bunch of killers...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:05 | 4985240 Larry Dallas
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I believe Putin and Ron Paul here.

O is trying to just carry out his agenda by bankrupting the country by getting involved in too much at any one time while playing golf.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:50 | 4985397 More_sellers_th...
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American people are the salt of the Earth.  People that try anyway. The world looks up to us.  They have for the last 200 + years.  Its the power hungry freaks that get elected the world hates.  there is a distinction.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:16 | 4985483 Monty Burns
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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 20:23 | 4985956 gatorboat
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"American people are the salt of the Earth."

Maybe 200 years ago, but not today. 

Today's Americans are gutless soul-less self-indulged self-centered asses.  99% of Americans would take a govt job or military job or govt contractor job or main stream media job working against the constitution, selling out their fellow Americans, and they would be happy to do it.  Look how many do it now, millions of them.

That's a society not worth saving in my opinion. 

Yes it will collapse under its own weight eventually.   Empires this corrupt don't last forever, and I believe we're in the last days of this corrupt empire.

And yes we'll go down with it. The people always do.


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:19 | 4985071 Anusocracy
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Their genes. They are meat puppets.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:39 | 4985127 RaceToTheBottom
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Who did it?"   

Depends on your definition of "did"

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:28 | 4985515 crazzziecanuck
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I can guarantee a Ukrainian did this.  Why?  Listen to Poroschenko and the Ukrainian nationalists.  The separatists are just disillusioned UKRAINIANS who've been bamboozled by Russia.

Why on earth did Kiev allow commercial traffic over a warzone has yet to be explained.

No wonder Poroschenko's fellow Ukrainians want to jump ship...  can't say I blame them.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:28 | 4985520 emersonreturn
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he ought to inform his son.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:10 | 4985024 williambanzai7
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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:29 | 4985337 ILLILLILLI
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Have to give the sheeple something to graze on...

YouTube...Edward Bernays would be in awe.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:36 | 4985366 Late onset ADHD
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pretty sure Bernay's estate has voting stock and a rep with a seat on the board... just sayin'...



Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:03 | 4984987 Lazane
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yes so it seems, after all Obama's New Cold War upon Vlad Putins's Russia requires a significant amount of propaganda at a moments notice.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:12 | 4985262 Rainman
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Valid for 6 decades.

" We shall never have a secure peace or a happy world so long as Soviet Communism dominates one-third of all the peoples."

                                            John Foster Dulles , 1953 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:29 | 4985338 Nick Jihad
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Obama's New Cold War?   I don't give him credit for thinking that far ahead.  Mostly, I see Obama trying to distract everyone from the fact that 'his' CIA and State Department destabilized Ukraine in the first place. Just like after Benghazi, they're flinging chaff in every direction, to deflect uncomfortable questions.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:03 | 4984989 WhyWait
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Thank you Ron Paul, once again!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:11 | 4985030 TeamDepends
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We were begging people in 2008 to give him a chance, but everyone seemed fixated on the skin color of a certain candidate...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:18 | 4985062 Pheonyte
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The R-team did everything in their power to sideline him, and then threw McCain at that candidate you mentioned.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:22 | 4985083 TeamDepends
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That reminds us: Fuck you Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove!!!!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:30 | 4985103 HamRove
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Hey, "Turd blossom" is my identical, less hammy brother.

You say "Fuck you" with some respect.......or don't. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:26 | 4985092 Berspankme
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The treatment of Dr Paul is the reason I refuse to watch any MSM. They demonized a good man so we could end up with a charlatan in the White House.

Fuck every one of you propagandist cocksucking jizz swilling MSM whores. Fuck you

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:03 | 4985224 TeamDepends
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Let us name names! First on our list is George Stephanopoolos. Remember how that little pole-smokin' shill treated Dr. Paul? Then there is Greta van Whatsername and FOX. Ron was on his cell-phone for an interview when gosh golly gee the line done went dead making him look like a fool on live TV. Never forget.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:57 | 4985416 lakecity55
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The pole-smokers who really suck are the "republican party," which is neither republican nor parties.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:08 | 4985253 Greenskeeper_Carl
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thats becuase they would rather have obama in office than ron paul. ROn Paul is credible when he says 'no more' to the 'war on everything' we are waging right now. obama was just a charlatan, an empty suit doing others bidding. R/D, doesnt matter, both of them do the same shit. In many ways, obama is the best president the MIC/neocons could have asked for. He does pretty much all the same unconstitutional, militaristic, evil things bush did, and has presided over a steady increase in spending on this shit. However, now that its Obama in office, all you here is silence from the anti-war left. not a peep. I watched MSNBC back when they were trying to drum up support for attacking Syria, and all these people on that show who called bush a war criminal and a nazi we sitting there justifying everything obama wanted to do on "humanitarian" grounds, and dropping eexcuse after excuse cuz it was the enlighted one doing it this time, so its not murder based on lies, its 'humanitarian relief'. You would have heard the same cries from the left had mccain won, but they got an 8 year hall pass from the left with obama doing it

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:54 | 4985186 Frankie Carbone
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You just don't like him because you're racist.  Therein ends all rational discourse.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:08 | 4985454 Bangin7GramRocks
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You should have spent more time begging him to run as an independent. Running as a republican was a silly exercise doomed to failure and he knew it.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:19 | 4985296 Dollar Akbar
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Only stateman left in the US. Last man standing, the other are bunch of pussies sold cheap to special interests. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:04 | 4984990 Agent P
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Dear Dr. Paul,

We love you.  Please don't take up kitesurfing.



Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:04 | 4984991 Number 156
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My question is:
Why was Malaysia airlines flying over a war zone?

after all, the only planes in the air over that region are military, and only an idiot would fly a civilian passenger jet over such an area.



Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:07 | 4985011 kowalli
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Why was Malaysia airlines flying over a war zone?

- because Kiev said - it was safe here and USA changed route due to some "storm" somewhere...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:13 | 4985038 MedTechEntrepreneur
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I bet Malaysia is kicking themselves about now for not buying the hack-proof software package that prevents the remote control takeover.  It was only a $1,500 dollar upgrade too.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:23 | 4985085 ilion
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Why would Malaysians care about innocent Dutchmen? Malaysians don't care about the truth. Haven't we already learned this with that other flight earlier the year.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:39 | 4985130 Oldwood
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After the relative silence that came from Malaysia after the 370 disappearance, taking one down "by accident" was calculated to go without much blow back. After all, its their own fault as they obviously made a wrong turn somewhere....right?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:42 | 4985143 DollarMenu
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Couldn't possibly have anything to do with this could it?


Since we knw there is no difference between R & D, was this a Libya-like slam at TPTB,

only on a moral/political ground rather than economic?


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:49 | 4985400 ZerOhead
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Now THAT is what they call MOTIVE in the business...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:42 | 4985144 tenpanhandle
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Isn't Sotoro a Malyasian surname?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:53 | 4985406 lakecity55
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Yes, Pilgrim, the rabbit hole is deep.......

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:00 | 4985214 Frankie Carbone
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You mean the anti-phalsephlagging option? Sort of like anti-phishing, but to prevent mass identity loss as opposed to identity theft.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:06 | 4984995 mastersnark
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Ugh, I'm so sick of his level-headed rationality and his constant truth-telling.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:08 | 4984997 nope-1004
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There is no honest reporting in a fascist state.  Once you acknowledge that this is fascism now, media reporting takes on a whole new look.  Don't care what the MSM has to say about anything, really.

On the weekend I heard the media claim that there were "uproars from Dutch family members about the bodies being moved".  Again, no family members were interviewed, just MSM planting ideas to incite emotion.

USSA constant jawboning, with zero leadership.


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:05 | 4984999 Jayda1850
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Sorry Ron, these people are not interested in real investigations.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:05 | 4985001 docmac324
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Ron Paul, 2016.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:33 | 4985110 TeamDepends
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It could happen, if We The People make it happen.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:57 | 4985201 Miffed Microbio...
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I wish. However, We the People vs We the Free Shit Army has only one outcome these days sadly.

Ron Paul is a great man. He would have made a fabulous president. That he was marginalized by the Republicans is unconscionable. I will never vote again until this tyrannical sludge occupying DC is purged, be it by votes or bloodbath.


Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:16 | 4985276 Professorlocknload
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"Presidents are selected, not elected."

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:34 | 4985353 tenpanhandle
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If you will never vote again then how can voting ever take them out.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:49 | 4985393 lakecity55
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The Free Shit Army just added a Taco Corps.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:25 | 4985512 Frankie Carbone
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Democracy is three bro's and a suburban bread winner deciding who pays for dinner. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:20 | 4985299 goldhedge
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Most Americans are pussies so it won't happen.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:07 | 4985003 alexcojones
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What the press isn't reporting are the PTB involved.

ALL Western media is Operation Mockingbird.

Now more than ever

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:07 | 4985004 Al Huxley
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Geez Ron, why such a party pooper - 'lets be reasonable', 'lets use our heads here', 'lets have a legitimate investigation before deciding who to blame' - for fuck sake that's not how its done, pick up a fucking flag and get with the damn program man.  No wonder you didn't get elected president.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:10 | 4985023 Theta_Burn
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I know its /sarc...but damn

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:45 | 4985154 Oldwood
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He just doesn't fully understand how to capitalize in the use of a crisis.

This is not a time for solutions or explanations, its a time to kick your opponent in the head while they are down. Its a time to take control of the "message", pointing out the evil empires that threaten our evil empire.

We just got to figure out whos side we are on, because at some point we will be forced to choose. You can bet on it. And as always, it will be the perceived lesser of evils, as it always has been.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:39 | 4985370 AnAnonymous
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'lets be reasonable', 'lets use our heads here',

Paul lived off seducing the 'american' middle class. As such, he is trained in any trick necessary to seduce the 'american' middle class that do not wish reality, but fantasy.

Paul is the fancied 'american' man of reason, the way 'americans' want that to be.

Paul before anything else is 'american'.

His piece only exists to rub the feathers of his followers. His piece relies on 'american' reason, intellectualism or whatever appeals to 'americans'.

Once this is stated, for one, Paul argues that Russia or the Russians in Ukraine would have nothing to gain from the move. Then in the last lines, Paul states that the shot might have be taken by mistake. Lining up a cui bono argument works for people who act purposedly.

It is just one example among some others. 'Americans' have this art for propaganda. They always stuff their speech with contradiction in order to submit the recipients to a litmus test.

Paul is 'american'. It takes an 'american' to see in this piece an act of reason.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:05 | 4985447 Theta_Burn
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+1 for the most incoherent rambling of the day

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